THE BOMB HIT SHADY SANDS AFTER NEW VEGAS'S EVENTS - WAS THE SHOWRUNNERS IDEA
According to Howard, showrunners Graham Wagner and Geneva Robertson-Dworet came to him with the idea to blow up Shady Sands, something Howard says shocked him at first. But the event would serve as a catalyst for the main characters of the Fallout show and the showrunners worked with Howard and the Bethesda team to ensure it remained consistent with the games.
“And we talked through it and it was, ‘This would be a pretty impactful story moment that a lot of things anchor on,"' Howard says.
But for anyone confused about how the city could be blown up by the time the show takes place, Howard explains all the details of the timeline should line up. “We’re careful about the timeline,” he says. “There might be a little bit of confusion in some places. But everything that happened in the previous games, including New Vegas, happened. We’re very careful about that.”
“All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas.”
https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-official-timeline-confirmed-how-the-show-fits-in-with-the-games
All of you new vegas fanatics melting down over the past week on everyone on the internet, thinking New Vegas was completely retconned, are wearing the clown shoes. The "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" and arrow pointing to the nuke on the chalkboard WERE TWO separate events like everyone said they were
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>shady sands is now in LA
>some sort of massive "fall" in shady sands had occurred that no one talked about in New Vegas
>shady sands is nuked after its "fall" by Vault-Tec
>the NCR has seemingly been completely wiped out from their heartland, barely any remnants remain, all of their infrastructure and massive population has basically been reduced to nothing
>the Brotherhood of Steel goes from barely existing at all to being an immensely powerful force in less than two decades. Despite this, they are depicted in the show as being extremely incompetent and their culture is not faithful to the games
>Caesar's Legion is nonexistent
>New Vegas is shown to be largely/completely abandoned with destroyed securitrons and crashed vertibirds
>Vault-Tec is hinted to have started the great war by nuking America and/or China
>House was aware they might do this and was at the meeting when it was discussed, meaning that House's story he told in New Vegas was largely a lie.
>Sinclair was also at this meeting and was representing Big MT
>power armor, the technology that was so successful it allowed America to push into China, is shown to have a vulnerability that allows its wearer to be killed by a single shot to the front of the suit
>Vault-Tec are now a major faction
>the Brotherhood of Steel are now a major faction
>somehow, the Enclave has returned
In conclusion, the NCR, House, and the Legion have essentially been wiped off the map, replaced by the Brotherhood of Steel, the Enclave, and Vault-Tec, who are now the major factions of the setting. A single season of bethesda's and amazon's "fallout" have undone everything that Fallout 1, Fallout 2, and Fallout New Vegas had built. The west coast is now the east coast wearing a cowboy hat.
No shit, lol
I don't get how people can act surprised after fallout 4, even 3 to be honest.
They've been trying to erase west coast since the beginning.
West coast died with interplay, y'all just been coping hard for decades.
I just hate bethesda's brotherhood boner
Why does Beth love BoS so much anyway?
why do you care about that Hispanic so much
todd is a moron who likes big guns and can't into stories more complex than good guys vs bad guys
BoS in Bethesda Fallout isn't even BoS, they have nothing in common
BoS works well in FO1 and FO3, because a group of knights in an otherwise ruined and hopeless world is fitting and cool.
In FO2 and NV they're worthless scrubs
Todd wants his own Space Marines
so they can make gamer dads and nu-males onions pog when they see the T-60 power armor despite the BoS sending you on a literal suicide mission in 1 in the first greeting
Because it looks cool, doesn't matter if their philosophy are outdated by the second game, 26 years ago.
Wasn't Interplay the ones that made two games about the Brotherhood even if people tend to only acknowledge Fallout 1 and 2 for some reason?
It's also not as if the Brotherhood weren't around in 1 and 2 either, if you wanted, you could talk to them quite a bit, hell, the only way to beat Fallout 1 without killing demands you interact with the Brotherhood.
Yes and Bethesda did an entire misguided viewpoint from their east coast's chapter in FO4
I could forgive the obvious timeline flub. I can forgive Vault-Tec being comically evil since it's already been thoroughly established in multiple games that they are, in fact, just that. I would even have literally zero issue with the NCR's capital getting cratered by Overseer Dale, even if his motivations are questionable, at best. There's no confirmation that the NCR is completely wiped out, at least not yet, anyway. Everyone saying that are just kneejerking "Well if if the show didn't show it explicitly it MUST be true!" morons. (See the copypasta above trying to say that the Legion is gone despite nothing in the show indicating that at all.)
No, all that I can handwave away. But Shady Sands is in the completely wrong location. Like hundreds of miles away, wrong. I cannot suspend my disbelief for that.
Explain yourself, Todd. Now.
Yeah people talking about Bethesda having a BoS boner are also being moronic. Usually it's because "they changed what the BoS was all about." The only game where they were "hurrdurr the generic good guys" was Fo3. Then in Fo4 they course corrected (perhaps too much so) into making them straight up techno-fascists that kill anything mutated or non-human on sight. Now the show is just more of that, and people are still shitting their diapers, over what I can only assume is them simply existing at all.
>3 not very hidden vaults in LA the Master somehow didn't discover
>only defense I've seen against this is "uh the supermutants were incompetent and he was insane!"
It's not a convincing answer but it's just dumb luck the vaults weren't found by him.
the real answer is that in the game those vaults never existed, and we must now make up contrivances to explain such a blatant and silly oversight because lord knows the writers won't
theyre just beating around the bush because these homosexuals arent real journalists (yes i know we meme about journalism in gaming but a real journalist, even if covering something as ultimately goofy as video games, would be able or willing to construct questions that get at the heart of the problem being discussed, not just saying 'did you retcon new vegas?' 'we didnt' 'oh cool, thanks' because it doesnt address the reality of all the shit not lining up. and if they could, they wont because they dont want to damage their relationship with these people and lose access to them)
The games are not about the brotherhood. Marketing just wanted the cool looking armor design on the cover.
Two reasons.
>Iconography
BoS is the poster boy of the Bethesda's Fallout
>Bethesda treats Fallout like its a TES with guns
Every Elder Scrolls has a simple plot, you are the main protagonist and the ancient evil has awoken and you must destroy it, simple and direct, its fits the TES approach of good entities vs evil entities.
Fallout even raiders have a reason for why they rape and kill, the master had a logical reason to why he wanted to turn everyone into mutants, because he wants to save them.
Iconic design from the old games taken to the illogical extreme for the sake of marketability. Same thought process of why Konami had Pyramid Head in almost all post-4 Silent Hill games and movies, despite being a very specific situational monster.
>Iconic design from the old games
It's not even the design from the old games too beyond "big armour suit man". Fricking T45/T60 shit, where has BASED T51b gone?
, the Enclave has returned
THEY WERE STILL ALIVE IN LONESOME ROAD WITH A CHICAGO BASE YOU FRICKING DISINGENUOUS FRICK
anon chicago is not in california
>people are unable to travel even though the enclave has been shown to own vertibirds
you are very smart
>Vault city
>Vault tec somehow hasn't been a major faction all along
Vault tec was never a major faction. They were never a fricking faction at all. It was a defunct pre-war company until this moronic TV show
>It was a defunct pre-war company until this moronic TV show
>Vault City
okay, moron
I don't think Vault Tec had any say over Vault City. Vault City was just Vault 8 as a settlement. In the sameway that Vault 15 was the birth of Shady Sands.
I haven't played Fallout in a while, but isn't Vault-Tec supposed to be fricking gone? They didn't survive the war due to their own incompetence? Old war entity?
What the frick, why are they still around?
Logically they should have been part of the Enclave since forever but for Bethesda they're the big boys now.
No, logically they are a defunct pre-war company.
Yes, but all the important v-tec peeps would have become part of the Enclave. Long dead like the company now but still. But for Bethesda very much all alive.
>House's story he told in New Vegas was largely a lie.
Of all the shit to be mad about you're upset that the ruthless amoral billionaire lied to you?
Let me explain, the showrunners for the Fallout show don't play video games.
But they felt like they had to insert a bunch of stuff into the show that conform with their preconceptions about what video games are like.
I thought the show was so brave when the whole cast was clapping "BBC! BBC! BBC!" while walkable BBC stood up, took off his power armor, and yelled "KNEEL TO THE BBC"
It says a lot about fallout (i haven't played a fallout game btw)
"fall of shady sands" is also an entirely separate event
There can't be any "fall of shady sands" in fricking 2277. That was the strongest the NCR has ever been.
I think that's the point of the fall. They've taken significant casualties in 1st Battle of Hoover Dam, and things could went downward spiral after they lost the 2nd one to House, in which Kimball was gone all-in.
>and things could went downward spiral after they lost the 2nd one to House
No, they couldn't have. In fact being displaced in Nevada by House would have probably been the best thing for the NCR. An economic blow, for certain, but it would stem the budget bleeding of trying to occupy the territory, and also create a big fricking buffer state so that the NCR no longer has to invest in defense against the Legion. It's not like any of the NCR's own infrastructure had been damaged in the war.
They lost the Dam electricity which was main goal of the whole campaign.
I think that's where Cold Fusion came into play. That commie lesbo promised NCR with infinite power if they fund her research. Then the Oversneeder nuked the whole place as you might have expect
In such a case, the NCR had access to hoover dam's power from 2276 through 2281, in which case calling 2277 "the fall of shady sands" is still fricking moronic. Though that's just a nitpick compared to the much more moronic shit like destroying shady sands causing the entire country to just vanish, or vault tec having nukes (or indeed, still existing AT ALL)
>there can't be a fall because they had so much to fall from
I hate you gays so much.
It can't be the fall because they hadn't fallen for at least another four years. The "fall of Rome" didn't happen when Commodus doomed it, it happened in 476 AD when it actually fell.
the fall of rome is the name for the entire period of its fall, it is concluded in 476 but isn't just that one year you fricking autist
see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
it's an entire timeline. see: https://www.britannica.com/place/Roman-Empire/Height-and-decline-of-imperial-Rome
>The West was severely shaken in 410, when the city of Rome was sacked by the Visigoths, a wandering nation of Germanic peoples from the northeast. The fall of Rome was completed in 476,
stop being moronic
thats the start of the fall, in new vegas its stated multiple times that the NCR are weakening and running thin. Holy frick did nv fans even play the game or is it a larp?
>running thin*
*In New Vegas because the bulk of their forces stayed in California to play guards for the cow barons
no you moron, they specifically say thin EVERYWHERE and that losing Hoover Dam would do irreperable harm to everything, its why they are desperate to keep it
Except
1. the NCR's entanglement in Nevada would not affect shady sands specifically
2. even outright losing the war over hoover dam would not result in more than some economic distress for the NCR. After all, the primary reason that they were struggling was that they were under investing in the occupation.
>my headcanon says thats impossible because...it just IS OKAY?!?
holy cope lmao
lol no
The billboard does make a point to say that Shady Sands was "the first capital" of the NCR, so it's possible that fall just means decline of the city.
Where the frick is that part in the article?
The author of the article updated/edited it
>Posted: Apr 17, 2024 11:00 am
>Updated: Apr 17, 2024 12:29 pm
So it's gone?
what a fricking cop-out, you can fricking tell this imbecile is back pedaling when he can't respond to what the frick means "the fall of shady sands" never mind why it was never mentioned by anyone in NV, incompetent hack.
I'm glad New Vegas is somehow stealing the show once again away from this fraud lol
It's still pozzed shit
fallout was pozzed since the first game, its why you should play true right wing core games like wasteland and underrail which were always better then fallout
>true right wing core games like wasteland and underrail
Anon...I...
People are acting like this show “de-canonizes” things when it’s literally just adding new lore.
It has the same weight as an entirely new game and progresses the world farther than ever before.
The NCR, the whole meeting of the vault tech executives, the ghoul is basically vault boy, and fricking New Vegas?
This one season has so much to discuss and I’m assuming people just haven’t finished it yet or think it’s not canon but let’s start talking about it.
OMG THE COWBOY BEING THE VAULT BOY GAVE ME LIFE. The MEETING where they discuss the fricking vaults?? AND MR HOUSE this show is an actual masterpiece and I feel for those who didn’t play any of the games before hand, because though the show is great on its own, they are missing so much satisfaction in how perfectly done this show is. There’s little lore dumps all over the place!
Oh man and when Barb said THE line at the meeting, I got fricking chills.
Seriously, I feel sorry for people that will hate on this adaptation. Fallout fans eating good if this gets a season 2.
Don't waist your breath man. These people don't want to think. No thought just hate. It's hilarious knowing they think they're the ones who care about deeper connections and lore
(You)
Nobody on this site types like this, try harder next time or ask your supervisor for an updated script.
>it’s literally just adding new lore.
"New lore" effectively being "lol it's as if New Vegas never even happened, here's something we made it's much better"
>Oh man and when Barb said THE line at the meeting, I got fricking chills.
this was where you got greedy with the bait
I never thought that astroturfing would be THIS blatant. What are you, some kind of idiot?
Why are you replying to street shitters who are on this board to shill a crappy video game to TV series
like this shill. does this look organic to you? no. this looks like someone regurgitated a reddit post from chat GPT with insane, barely legible thoughts strung together about how successful and cool it is.
Stop replying to bots.
I'm not a bot shill. I actually watched the show, predicting it would be shit, and was pleasantly surprised. But you believe what you want while the world moves on without you. You can cope and seethe online forever, insisting that the show isn't canon and breaks all the lore, while future games will come out referencing it and treating its story as canon.
>I was pleasantly surprised by garbage
>Not a shill though
>I'm not a shill
> I actually watched the show, predicting it would be shit, and was pleasantly surprised.
But you are a shill. These are opinions no sane person would have. The show is quite terrible, even if you exclude the Fallout lore and the story discussion, because it's extremely poorly written.
Damn, guess I'm insane then. Thanks for letting me know, anon. I guess you've served your purpose in this thread and can move on.
My pleasure.
>And it was still way better than any of the Bethesda Fallout games and even Fallout 2.
I regret to inform you that you're also insane.
>because it's extremely poorly written.
And it was still way better than any of the Bethesda Fallout games and even Fallout 2.
Nobody says this. Even if you exclude all the previous fallout games; this show has internal inconsistencies within its own story. Locations and characters move from set to set and there's no logical consistency to actions.
the show isn't good if you exclude the fallout lore, which is irrelevant because the show is about fallout lore, congratulations moron you solved the enigma why people like this show!
>The show isn't good
Then it fricking sucks, a show that can't tell a story is a show that sucks.
Congratulations moron! you just figured out why sane people hate this show! Do you want some kind of special needs helmet to celebrate being a moron who admits the show fricking sucks but you like it because it waves vault-boy in your face?
>Congratulations moron! you just figured out why sane people hate this show!
?
>Rotten Tomatoes
>Same site that routinely cherrypicks reviews and freezes/deletes user reviews
Congratulations moron! You just figured out why sane people hate this show!
Any more moronic shilling you'd like to share?
damn, shame they couldnt afford to pay off the audience for this one! sadge!
you just proved my point, homosexual. Go back to when Halo S1 launched, and it had the same shit-eating score lmao
This show is going to be reviled as a moronic headcanon by S2 just like Halo was.
NTA but Halo S1 had a 90+ audience score, too.
I don't see the review score for this dropping below 80 for either metric. It was quite good and I say this as someone whose biggest "gaming passion" is fallout.
kek, even shills admit the show isn't fricking good. they're just in it because "ITs FalLOuT".
Literally and factually why do morons like this show? They will outright admit it's not good on its own but then, in the same breath, say loregays are stupid. So why are they here? What do they want?
>I'm not a bot shill. I actually watched the show, predicting it would be shit, and was pleasantly surprised. But you believe what you want while the world moves on without you.
Be sure to add "Right side of history" and "love trumps hate" on your transparent agitprop so you get an extra few rupee tip from your manager. You want to make as many moronic projections as possible per post.
How about this, try "Actually We're the wave of the future and anti-fallout lore gays (also trump lovers) are on the wrong side of history and will be killed by capitol police (dressed as BoS troopers)'. That will drive home to your boss that you dont need to be laid off when a chatbot replaces you.
>people ask a question about why a business does something
>an anon explains it from the business's perspective
>immediately get called a shill working for said business
lmao, classic Ganker shit. Sasuaga.
>people ask a question about why a business does something
It would help if someone answered the question with an answer instead of projection and wishful thinking. Like "I'm SURE they made TONS of money off of this show" but not provide any numbers or facts.
Classic Ganker shit: see a fact you hate? scream that the fact is silly and your shilling is the truth.
Okay but again, why is FO76 not doing Helldivers numbers? Why hasn't it matched the same numbers as its broken and buggy launch?
You seem to be having a real hard time answering that, lil' buddy. Something you want to share with us?
>everyone on Ganker is one person but me
You replied to my post.
Here is your post, and the third post quoted, the one mentioning FO76 numbers, is mine.
So
Again
Something you want to share with us?
Incorrect, everyone on Ganker is (Me)
Because Helldivers is still FOTM and FO76 came out years ago and will never shake off the reputation it got after it's release. It's also a completely different type of game.
That was a stupid question.
okay then answer the fricking question you shill.
>This one season has so much to discuss and I’m assuming people just haven’t finished it yet or think it’s not canon but let’s start talking about it.
this very much. morons who are now talking are either tards who never watched it or are too dumb to understand what they were watching. it will take months to dissect the show. the great game is revealed, that alone should give theorygays months of conversation fuel.
You must be 18 to post.
is pre funny people care so much when the in-game city was so smol, obviously there's a difference between the show's 30,000 population & the game's couple dozen peeps
Not watching a show about race mixing, not sorry.
I bet you'd still bone some Asian woman
BECAUSE…..UHHH…..JUST CONSOOM GOY AND DONT ASK QUESTIONS
It’s about nuclear war.
It's about Marvel-quippers in rural California. There is nothing nuclear or post-apocalyptic about it. You're just a homosexual who eats shit.
>it's about nuclear war
>even though the show retcons the world being destroyed by escalation of the great war between the US and Chinese blocs into having been a moronic scheme by a handful of megacorps working against their own interests for no reason
>cares about some paki woman racemixing
Ultimate cuck-kek
Listen, ok... Ugh... I just wont watch a show where the main character is a mulatto mutt talking about his dick popping like a pimple. I KNOW! Frustrating but it just isn't happening baka.
>The "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" and arrow pointing to the nuke on the chalkboard WERE TWO separate events
Ok. Why doesn't a single NPC mention such an important event as the "fall of Shady Sands" in New Vegas?
same reason why no one calls 2016 the fall of the USA
You already had characters like Hanlon and Hildern talk about how things are bad in NCR.
>Or, for a layman such as yourself - not enough food, too many mouths to feed. Mass starvation. In a decade or so.
>in a decade
>Hanlon
Traitorous doomer
>Hildern
Literally explains how the OSI is actively working to solve the famine issue.
Unironically what would the "fall of Shady Sands" have even been, if not the bombing? And for that matter, why would Hank MacLean specifically nuke Shady Sands if it had already fallen?
This is very obviously Bethesda cleaning up their and Amazon's mess, because they didn't realize how hard it would piss people off to move Shady Sands south 300+ miles just to nuke it, presumably before the events of New Vegas (where no "collapse" of the capital of the NCR is ever mentioned). What a clownshow, lmao.
House wins hoover dam, ranking general is killed, they've lost the east, the barons and officers start to ignore the President, cue a shattering of the republic, the nuke is just the last nail in the lid of the coffin.
Yeah that would be the logical fall of the republic, if only they didn't say it happened in 2277 four years before NV happens.
seems like they just fricked up the dates
That is probably the case yet they aren't saying that. It would actually be far better to say that the board was just a mistake instead of saying no it's right we just have to threat the needle and pretend some contradictions don't exist.
If the show writers had any sense at all they could make mention at a later point that some people have a different calendar since counting the days isn't really relevant to most people trying to survive the apocalypse (sure computers and shit, but some characters being dumb is better than trying to fit the fall of an empire into two months)
>what would the Fall of Shady Sands have even been
The NCR is noted to be in the process of collapse during New Vegas. Water's drying up, farmers suffer failing crops, the Brotherhood War devalued the shit out of their currency, both public and internal morale regarding the military is in the shitter, raiders are still a big problem, Kimball is ineffective as President and corruption is rampant, etc. etc. There's also the fact that "the Fall of X" doesn't necessarily describe a singular event; the "Fall of Rome" is a decades-long process that's separate from just the Sacking of Rome.
As such, the Fall of Shady Sands is the collapse of the capital but would just be starting in 2277, matching what's described to the player in 2281, and that they didn't recover. If anything, this is all just a soft-confirmation that the NCR lost the battle for the Mojave, as that was a crucial victory for resources and public confidence
>the Capital collapses in 2277
>meanwhile in 2281
>hey guys did you hear Kimball was coming all the way from Shady Sands to give a medal to a trooper.
Kek, they fricked up with the timeline and don't want to admit it
Didn't even read the damn post, did you
>but that's not a definitive incoming collapse
Evidently it was :^)
>look at that chalkboard
It's funny you say that, when the people in your camp have been so poor at reading the chalkboard that it has to be reiterated officially that the Nuke didn't happen immediately in 2277
>did the slow economic collapse of the NCR also cause people to stop getting books
Yes, as evident by the entirety of the NCR forces being moronic in New Vegas. It's surprising they can even read, lol.
How a place that collapses in 2277 still exist in 2281
>inb4 it’s like the fall of Rome
Then they would have given two dates in which show a time frame in which it began and ended to show if it was a gradual process, but they didn’t. Once again you morons can’t understand timelines yet lecture everyone else about them.
>then they would have given two dates in which show a time frame
...it got fricking nuked. There's a pretty a clear end date for all matters regarding Shady Sands.
>it got fricking nuked. There's a pretty a clear end date
Since when is a mushroom cloud a date moron? Every other event is clearly labeled and given a year. You gays love these bullshit mental gymnastics.
Are people really this moronic nowadays? The fall of Shady Sands may imply that the Shady Sands fell into chaos and years later it had to be nuked because retaking it was such a shitshow. That's just a theory but the fact is that something happened which wasn't good for the city and eventually someone decided that the place had to be nuked. Jesus Christ people, it's not this damn complicated.
>The fall of Shady Sands may imply that the Shady Sands fell into chaos
Which isn't at all mentioned in NV
>Evidently it was :^)
Explain how
>that it has to be reiterated officially
It had to be walked back officially, just like Emil attributing war crimes to Fo4's protagonist
>It's surprising they can even read, lol.
You could try a little homosexual
>Explain How
You know how the NCR was collapsing?
Well, it continued collapsing
>You know how the NCR was collapsing
>2281:we are facing a number of crises in the imminent future
>this somehow translates that they are collapsing in 2277
>we are facing a number of crises in the imminent future
The only crisis that's put into the imminent future is the "10 years" figure for starvation from overpopulation with current logistical strategies. The devaluing of currency has already happened. The drying up of lakes and aquifers has already happened. The bad crops have already started to happen. The unchecked corruption has already happened. It's all already happened before New Vegas, according to NPCs in New Vegas.
>You know how the NCR was collapsing?
No.
>The NCR is noted to be in the process of collapse during New Vegas
Not it isn't. It's in the process of a coming crisis, but that's not a definitive incoming collapse
>doesn't necessarily describe a singular event; the "Fall of Rome"
This fricking cope again. It's embarrassing. Look at that chalkboard. There isn't a single gradual event in it, it's all set dates, with the last one leading to the nuke. They also show a library record that stops at November 2276, did the slow economic collapse of the NCR also caused people to stop getting books?
Because uhhhh because uhhhh
>Why doesn't a single NPC mention such an important event as the "fall of Shady Sands" in New Vegas?
Which part of "the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas" did you not understand?
You're gonna have to learn how to read English if you want to stay here.
The fall is a separate event to the nuke. The fall happens in 77, the nuke happens in 81. They could have used the fall as the excuse to why SS gets randomly moved 100s of miles, say the divide monsters got to shady sands somehow.
>They could have used the fall as the excuse to why SS gets randomly moved 100s of miles, say the divide monsters got to shady sands somehow.
Not according to Lucy.
>pic
my house when a minority is on tv screen
You just made me Laugh out Loud you cheeky frick
Wtf was this supposed to be Shady Sands? I don't remember this flashback. Why is it surrounded by skyscrapers and why is there a pristine pre-war building?
they moved shady sands into the boneyard for no raisin.
Shady Sands has had about 100 years to grow by the time of that image. With the level of wealth we see people describing in Fallout New Vegas, I think it made sense to depict Shady Sands as having basically achieved something that looks like a pre-war city.
No, it doesn't you fricking moron. It's simply not possible for them to have such an insane production of steel beams or the manpower/technology/energy to build such massive structures. You can't just shape metal with your mind and the production becomes even more complicated when you factor in the different microstructures and tempering techniques which results in vastly different mechanical characteristics. And even if they somehow managed to produce all the materials and tools required, they wouldn't have the advanced understanding of structural joints or vibration analysis required. Their buildings would just start shaking and collapse at somewhat high wind speeds or tiny earth tremors. Not to mention that they don't even need skyscrapers. They have so much horizontal space with a small population of 30 000. It's obviously supposed to be pre-war ruins.
That's what it looked it between Fallout 2 and New Vegas. People don't seem to realize NCR citizens were driving around in cars and shit and kids were attending schools.
Remember what they took from you
i'm a FONV + NCRgay and i say good riddance
>somehow
vault tec is enclave, they took over the entire vault project
>I'm a shill
the bombs happened after according to suits, but the fall happened in 2277. yet nobody mentions any kind of fall in NV.
Everyone mentions how the NCR is shit now and a shell of its former self.
No, they say it's growing at an unsustainable rate. No mention or suggestion of any kind of tragedy or decline. There's even a pretty major quest about the head of the NCR rangers trying to artificially engineer a defeat of the NCR in Nevada specifically to humble them and quell their appetite.
>loregays
Bro this ain't CoD. Vault lore is literally the only reason people give a shit about Fallout.
Erm no, people play fallout to shoot ghouls and robots and to pick things up.
Sorry, not sorry.
>Bethesda's "Fallout" isn't even real
Now those are some very correct posts.
Bethesda's Fallout is shit lore wise, just like TES.
Actually caring about it is a waste of time.
We all know Bethesda and their writers don't care about it either anyway.
Bethesda's "Fallout" isn't even real, stop spamming threads
The show is still clumsy amateur bullshit, no matter how badly people insists it fits into the canon. You need to understand that.
Cope
>The "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" and arrow pointing to the nuke on the chalkboard WERE TWO separate events like everyone said they were
why would you nuke a city that's already fallen?
Watch the show or read the article, bruv.
>It's revealed that Lucy MacLean's father, Hank, bombed Shady Sands as it threatened the superiority of Vault-Tec whose employees are still alive, albeit cryogenically frozen, and are waiting to reclaim the Wasteland for themselves and their company
But Shady Sands was already fallen.
Hank and Vault-Tech couldn't care less about the state of Shady Sands.
Or perhaps he's wondering why would you nuke a city after making it fall.
Then why would they nuke it
So why didn't he nuke Philly too?
how would vault-tec gain anything by nuking civilization multiple times? how is a fallen shady sands more of a threat to vault-tec than the brotherhood of steel?
Vault-Tec is part of the Enclave. They don't want anyone existing besides them, as established in the previous games. They would absolutely want to wipe out the NCR if they could, being a large armed society outside of their control full of mutants and wastelanders.
In the show, Vault-Tec is the company that owns cold fusion tech pre-war, and leaves it unused because they think it would ruin their business. Post-war, we see that an Enclave scientist steals the cold fusion tech and is trying to escape with it. So we can infer that, as implied by other things in the Fallout series, Vault-Tec was part of the Enclave all along. This is why the Enclave had Vault-Tec's secrets.
Vault tec was not even a defense contractor, let alone part of the pre-war US government, let alone part of the enclave. They DID NOT EXIST until this moronic TV show.
Fallout 2 established that the Enclave had, for some reason, the ability to monitor the still-active vault experiments. The implication was that Vault-Tec either became, was a part of, or had been compromised by the Enclave.
Also, the Enclave isn't so much the actual government as it was the "shadow" government. It's what people would call the "deep state". It was always a collection of corporations and politicians that had a secret alliance pulling all the strings before the war, and then survived to become the group of scientists and power armored goons we meet in the games.
They had access to vault tec's vaults because they were constructed during the great war, and obviously the US government would have demanded back doors to any kind of military grade fortifications built on their own soil (which the enclave would eventually inherit). Vault Tec was a private company selling holes in the ground to rich gays, figuring either the world doesn't end and now vault tec investors are rich, or the world does end and so it doesn't matter either way.
Fallout 2 states that the Enclave created the Vault experiments to prepare for interstellar travel thoughever.
>It was always a collection of corporations and politicians that had a secret alliance pulling all the strings before the war, and then survived to become the group of scientists and power armored goons we meet in the games.
Careful, neoGanker is so culture war-brained that they'll call this communist propaganda
>jews nuking the word is communist propaganda
look up the early life section of the bolsheviks
So why did the Enclave wait until 2281 to destroy the NCR? Why bother with modified FEV if you could just nuke them the whole time?
Probably because they got their asses kicked by a lone tribal the last time they went frickin around in California.
When Rome first fell, it still remained relevant. Better to cut the tie to a past glory than let we wuz be a rallying cry for the outlying population.
>But why did you nuke the NCR Hank?
>Because they tried to make me pay taxes
>Understandable
Who fricking cares, fallout is two different series, bethesda fanfic fallout, and obsidian fallout
And Interplay.
So obsidian.
yeah thats what i meant by obsidian, couldn't remember their name when i posted
Frick Obsidian.
Calm down Emil.
Only good piece of Fallout media.
>According to Howard, showrunners Graham Wagner and Geneva Robertson-Dworet came to him with the idea to blow up Shady Sands, something Howard says shocked him at first. But the event would serve as a catalyst for the main characters of the Fallout show and the showrunners worked with Howard and the Bethesda team to ensure it remained consistent with the games.
And in the end it is not consistent with games
Reminder that Bethesda acknowledging New Vegas existing doesn’t change the fact that they loathe how much more popular it is than nu-Fallout. They aren’t going to poison the well by de-canonizing such a popular game, but they’re still going to beat that kid the moment Child Protection Services steps out of the house.
it's understandable. the kid is a gay troony who doesn't respect the house rules.
More popular and successful than any other member of the household. He's right to shit on the house rules.
>You're one to talk, "dad" (cuck)! You could lose money running a casino!
That is a schizo conspiracy theory and always has been
>Obsidian's brass has said the metacritic bonus was literally nothing to them and not a big deal
>Todd personally oversaw details about New Vegas being canon to the show
>Tim Cain, the original creator and first programmer on Fallout 1, was kicked out of the company by Brian Fargo for Fallout 2, but welcomed back as an honored guest to the launch party of Fallout 3, was invited along with Fargo to the Fallout TV premiere in Hollywood where he and Fargo reconciled, and Tim Cain has spoken on record about being against the hate the show and Brian Fargo is getting on his channel
>If they hated New Vegas this much, why would they include it in the show this much at all?
>Half the posts about the show are straight up lies, there's Legion armor in the background in a prewar segment, House's characterization lines up with his act in the games, is literally making money off the apocalypse by squeezing the NCR by creating a city of comforts in the wasteland so he can eventually be the overseer of humanity's ascension, lines up with "a lot of earning potential with the end of the world"
FNV fans are literally so desperate for another dig at Bethesda it's gotten pathetic
It's not a theory, NMA tourists just want it desperately to be so because they can't stand Bethesda. I still can't believe they're making a stink about the NCR getting nuked when you could do that in the game itself. It was coming, we just didn't know who would pull the trigger if the player or Ulysses didn't.
Todd and Emil hates New Vegas because it goes against the type of game modern Fallout is, its not a fricking RPG with complex quest design and intriguing characters with moral questions, its a pew pew borderlands clone where you see mutants getting blow the frick out.
>PEW PEW DIE ULTRA MEGA EPIC GOLDEN DEMONIC TITANIC RAD TRANSMORPHIC RADROACH
>GOT MY FRICKING SUPER DUPER BLASTER LASER OF ULTRA DEATH PIPE GUN
If they loved Fallout New Vegas so much they would have released a slow burn political drama rpg where you would watch the collapse of the NCR in first person, but no, they used a shit fricking show to kill the NCR.
Dumb frick secondary, have a nice day.
They hate new vegas because it proves that bethesda is inept and lazy and could absolutely do better but just don't.
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/beloved-rpg-fallout-new-vegas-was-first-meant-to-be-fallout-3-dlc
You mean the same Todd who fought to give Obsidian their own game after he saw how impressive the Fallout New Vegas expansion was?
Oh no no no DELETE THIS
ITS MY NARRATIVE AND IM IN CHARGE HERE
If only Todd fought to keep Bethesda away from the Fallout IP in general.
Yes. I bet he regrets every day how he enabled the game that proved he was fricking inept
Copium lmao
Not an argument, you dumb homosexual
Mmm yes please give me more of that NCR grade copium
The only thing he regrets is that he came up with creation club after NV was abandoned.
Does this mean 6 was supposed to be Lone Wanderer?
The bethesda hate is absolutely unhinged.
Also Cain has been invited to FO3, FO4, and the tv show launch parties.
Bethesda is pure fricking trash.
Okay Mr. Howard yes sir
it's funny that trannies hate bethesda so much but NV is just as shit, even worse than bethesda fallouts.
nothing matters anyway since fallout was dead after 2, tactics is fun, but you could make it about any generic setting and the game would still be the same.
>durr trannies
Check
>dragging things down to my level
Check
>"ackhually it doesn't matter"
Check
release another starfield please yes sir!
The frick you mean legion armor in a pre war segment, sword and sandal movies were popular in the 50's so they had some actors in togas in the background.
I'm a huge NV fanboy and bethesda hater but they CAN do fallout, ita just that theres so much shit to sort through
The show is fine, sloppy in some of the lore bits becuase they haven't written season 2 yet and they wanted as much wiggle room as possible
bethesda can't do fallout, but they can do a fun game if they want.
Meanwhile obsidian can't do anything other than make trannies happy. Outer Worlds is proof that they have no idea of what the frick they are doing.
>Oh, instead actually the game just didn't matter at all because everything went to shit immediately AFTER you beat it!
They might as well have made DUST canon, jesus christ. At least that had actually entertaining lore even if it was just Murphy's Law: The Game.
great warp of the west
>But the event would serve as a catalyst for the main characters of the Fallout show and the showrunners worked with Howard and the Bethesda team to ensure it remained consistent with the games.
Considering Shady Sands is hundreds of miles away from where it should be, lol?
NVgays when they don't even understand FO lore kek
Overthinking and overexplaining things
They nuked the NCR because the Minutemen will arrive to replace them
The Minutemen are one tiny local group on the other side of the country
Don't care, they still completely shit all over the west coast with "lol everyone died and everything got blown up". Its just more of the same from Hollywood and modern writing, degrade and ruin those that came before. They could have easily had the show be East coast Fallout, to tie into Bethesda's lore but they wanted to frick over all of the franchise.
time to stop pretending fallout was ever bad
More like Fallout was always fricking stupid even when Interplay had it and NVgays think it's the epitome of writing
you cant enjoy anything in life and youre sad
The irony of a NVgay witch hunting for something to b***h about
mental illness
so todd bended over and let amazog frick over the lore
what a pushover
>he thinks Todd gives a shit
He's a game from retirement, I'm sure he was content with the paycheck.
>implying Todd won't steal ideas from NV and live for another 200 years suspended in a tank
>live for another 200 years suspended in a tank
>get beaten to death with a 9 iron by a mailman
Was it worth it?
Bethesda isn't an independent company anymore, they had one chance to impress Microsoft and they failed. So, if Jill Braff says "Amazon will save Fallout", Todd's job is to be a good salesman and say "it's canon".
They weren't independent prior to the Microsoft acquisition too. They were and still are owned by Zenimax.
who cares
It's good to know it was just lore incompetency as usual rather than intentionally malicious. Still utterly moronic the way they got rid of the NCR.
>We’re very careful about that.”
liar
So what was the fall? NV states Shady Sands is still the capital as of 2281, they had an election right after the supposed fall. It really doesn't seem like an event worth mentioning on the timeline since it seemed to not actually do anything.
He says it happened after the events of NV, so think about any time after 2281.
>He says it happened after the events of NV
He says the nuke did, but the board showed that Shady Sands fell in 2277. So what was the Fall of Shady Sands?
Fallout 4 is a looter shooter
Fallout 76 is a looter shooter
Fallout 5 will be a generic looter shooter
FO4 is a looter shooter? Most of the game is spent picking up random clutter
So why was Shady Sands moved to the Boneyard, and why does it say "first capital of the NCR" which implies it no longer is, and if that's the case why does everyone act like it's the still the capital in New Vegas?
>be vault tec executive
>watch vault 15 open and residents create shady sands
>200 years passed
>shady sands is now the capital of the NCR
>nuke it because ???
Can anyone explain
>capitalism evil
That is it
Marital issues
No seriously
This “show” will never be canon, even if Todd Howard says so. Todd is on his way out of the industry and is just coasting by to collect the last bit of “frick you” money he can squeeze out of it. Shows are not canon. Movies are not canon. I’m sorry.. I know but.. they’re just not!
Games aren't canon either, at this point.
Nothing is canon except for my personal headcanon
Frick off Emil.
>hey I wrote this guy as a war criminal in my mind but that's fine you don't have to imagine him as a war criminal
What a fricking pussy b***h.
It contradicts his character though if Codsworth is anything to go by
>Writing a big lore drop 9 years late on Twitter for likes rather than writing it into the actual game
I genuinely can't tell if he's trolling
That's some amazing backpedalling.
It's also amazingly ridiculous and nonsensical.
"Nate was designed as a war criminal, he's a war criminal that appears in the Fallout 1 intro, we just never mentioned this in FO4. He's totally not a war criminal though, even though he is, in fact, a war criminal that appears in the Fallout 1 intro."
Wasn't UN already disbanded by that point? So talking about war crimes wouldn't matter.
All this cope, for what?
>seething
I’m sorry, the show just isn’t canon
That's great, Todd. You mind putting in some actual work into your deboonking next time?
At least they saved nuking Arroyo and Vault City for S2.
Only possible explanation as to who bombed Shady Sands off the top of my head is the courier. Since he states that it was
>just after the events of New Vegas
Something along the lines of the ending of lonesome road where they nuke either ncr/legion. Maybe they are able to redirect a nuke all the way to shady sands? Maybe the show will confirm that either Mr. House/Yes Man ending is the canon ending of NV? If the show confirms that, I could find it excusable, but Vault Tec being le evil corporation that ruined everything is homosexual shit.
They are already showed in the show that the father of Lucy decided to nuke shady sands. Even though shady sands was started by people…from a vault.
It hurts how moronic this is.
>started by vault dwellers
>saved by a vault dweller
>NCR even has another vault in it's territory
Man they really didn't think that out.
They should do a Sonic Mania and have a old school style Fallout game made by modders and fans of the series
You should do a dilation maneuver
>“All I can say is we’re threading it tighter there, but the bombs fall just after the events of New Vegas.”
That's still the problem. It's not that New Vegas was retconned, it's that the show's new twist on events makes New Vegas pointless. If you were an NCRgay literally everything you did for that faction is meaningless shortly after the game concludes. If you were someone looking to rule New Vegas, the entire place gets fricked over, and the Legion may as well be a non-canon conclusion one way or another.
They effectively made it that the only shit that matters is the Courier presumably fricking off from New Vegas while killing off most of the people involved with the storyline immediately afterwards, and did it in the stupidest way possible. Nothing new for FO having to close continuity gaps here or there, but painful because it still feels like a dick move.
They were always going to be fricking useless and they even hint at that in several ways during NV
The Mojave was never going to be some great power it was nothing more than wanderers taking pot shots at the NCR before they came and brought the legion with them
I still don't know why they felt the need to literally dump all over 1, 2 and NV. I feel like only 1% of the Fallout community knows anything about 1 and 2 based on all the
>OMG FALLOUT IN LA! It's never been there before!
comments last year when show details were coming out so there isn't the "I clapped when I saw a thing I know!" angle with landmarks.
Fricking the USA has hundreds of locations that the series has never gone, why retread over the same handful of places constantly?
Should have been NOLA.
>OMG FALLOUT IN LA! It's never been there before!
I saw twice as many telling those people that they were moronic and Fallout 1 was there. This show has a bunch of Fallout 1 Easter eggs, what are you talking about?
Honestly, my big beef is why even have such big plot things in this? Why not just have a self-contained story that could take place in the canon but didn't need big things happening to the rest of the lore? Why suddenly nuke Shady Sands, destroy the NCR spontaneously, and have Vault-Tec be shitheads to cause hell on Earth? If the showrunner was coming to Beth with these ideas, then it's literally Bethesda just letting someone fanfic their own attempts to make their story super important into the continuity because frick it, why not?
Ignoring the lore, the writing in the show was so fricking bad and felt more Borderlands than Fallout.
But fallout 1,2 and new vegas have never been canon to bethesda fallout. Rather, bethesda fallout has an alternate line of similar events in it's past that they draw upon. I don't understand how people can accept the fricking hyrule historia alternate timelines bullshit, but don't understand this.
Because nothing actually says or establishes timelines, just Sawyer or Avellone wanting to do their own thing and keep their own story going independent of whatever Bethesda was doing at the time. You could reasonably just have these games doing their own shit mostly ignoring 3 or 4. Now you HAVE to divorce them as separate canons because they're skullfricking the classic stuff to prop up Bethesda's.
>I don't understand how people can accept what Nintendo clearly established themselves and insists upon and is consistent about it
Nintendo did not establish the hyrule historia. It's a third party product made "for fun" that they do not consider canon when designing the games. There is a blurb like three pages in explaining this.
>Nintendo did not establish the hyrule historia. It's a third party product made "for fun" that they do not consider canon when designing the games.
Blatant lie
And even if we go by your version, each game being a unique experience is something Nintendo is consistent on, if they tell you Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time it doesn't contradict Ocarina of Time. Todd and Nolan comparatively are trying to convince you that Breath of the Wild and Tears of Kingdom is canon to Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.
> Todd howard didnt want them to nuke shady sands
APOLOGISE.
If there is one thing I can buy it's that Todd could see the shitstorm coming from it in a way that Hollywood types wouldn't.
Then why let them do it? Is it because he doesn't actually care about the universe, that the vast majority; the normies who gobble up Bethesda's recent dreck and the people who've never heard of a Fallout before the TV show, far outnumber the diehard fans who get upset by this kind of thing?
Player data showed only fricking losers sided with NCR.
Because a fanbase that constantly uses terms like “created for the dirty, unwashed, smelly, lowest common denominator masses” turns out to be nazis and software pirates, believe it or not, which is what most FNV diehards are.
How dare they have standards
Aren't most FNV diehards trannies according to shitposters here too? Make up your minds.
>lets them do it anyways
>Todd understands that kino > fan autism
He’s right.
>loregayging in a series with several endings
This has never been an issue as Fallout 1 despite having many outcomes has a set canon ending for everything, 2's manual literally has an entire section telling you the canon ending of the game. NV does much of the same with 2 in the details you learn about the world. It's only bethesda that hates revealing info about what happened in the previous games.
Why set it after fallout new Vegas then?
>he complains about loregayging
>in an RPG
>where most of the time you are reading shit out of terminals, dialogue boxes and menus.
The absolute stupidity of your post astounds me. You argument can only hold water in shit where reading is kept to a minimum or only ever serves as a backdrop like shooters and fighting games. Not fricking RPGs.
>in shit where reading is kept to a minimum or only ever serves as a backdrop like shooters and fighting games. Not fricking RPGs.
Need I remind you what happened to books in Starfield? That's the future of RPGs.
>in an RPG
Fallout isn't an RPG series anymore. It's a survival/crafting/looter shooter. Naturally, those players don't give a shit about the story and who can blame them? The writing in Fallout 4 is awful.
while I do love reading and learning about the world, I always loved more the fact that I was leveling up, getting weapons and power armor and blowing shit up on 1 and 2.
Nothing is more satisfying than levelling Sulik and watch he literally knock people around the map with a super sledge.
Noooo, all my shit posting over the past few days was for nothing!!!!!!
I am glad the writers of captain marvel and portlandia were allowed to destroy one of the major factions in the series offscreen. Thanks Todd!
Put a bird on it
WHERE'S STARFIELD CREATION KIT TODD?
>Matt Berry voices the Mr Handy now
Only good thing from this show
do consolegays actually not have the console commands cli thing?
correct you cannot access console commands on a retail console
consolegays are actual cucks lmao
you only realized this now?! Consoles are the ultimate cuck hardware, you don't own ANYTHING with consoles, consoles make Apple look like champions of freedom.
>already retconning the show and placing blame
>took 1 week before they caved
El oh hime elle
It's obvious nobody at Bethesda gives a genuine shit about Fallout lore, which at that point why should I care about anything they do?
I can't speak for you, but I have a really fricking annoying friend who loves fallout 4 largely because it's incredibly casual friendly and gobbles up the horrible quasi-retrofuturistic artstyle and I'm getting real goddamn tired of hearing him gush about how awesome the TV show is and how well Bethesda has handled the franchise while being openly hostile to the idea of engaging with the universe on a more than surface level. I'm so fricking tired of just nodding, smiling, and pretending not to be infuriated that a series I loved is in the hands of people who don't give a shit about it.
Baar Dau crashing into Red Mountain is like the least egregious of the weird shit Bethesda's done to their own lore.
Bitter jaded troony turning on his casual friend in real time lmao
>I can't speak for you, but I have a really fricking annoying friend who loves fallout 4 largely because it's incredibly casual friendly and gobbles up the horrible quasi-retrofuturistic artstyle and I'm getting real goddamn tired of hearing him gush about how awesome the TV show is and how well Bethesda has handled the franchise while being openly hostile to the idea of engaging with the universe on a more than surface level. I'm so fricking tired of just nodding, smiling, and pretending not to be infuriated that a series I loved is in the hands of people who don't give a shit about it.
I know this guy. He wears a skyrim hat and is a c**t
just tell him you dont give a shit about fallout nu lore or find a way to infuriate him so he shuts up about it
>Baar Dau crashing into Red Mountain is like the least egregious of the weird shit Bethesda's done to their own lore.
like i said to the other anon it was kirkbride that suggested it and it perfectly encapsulates his mix of kinda cool, kinda based but also infuriatingly moronic and petty cringe
>didnt care for the names of the provinces that were named before he started working at bethesda and like the arrogant upstart he was, wanted to change them
>names that his seniors came up with or borrowed from other fantasy settings, either on purpose or by accident, as nerds that cut their teeth on the incestuous borrow-orgy that was TTRPG nerd culture
>despite his own admission that he also freely cribbed names and things from other settings like the Imga
>also does not want other people to mess with HIS creations in morrowind which heavily borrow from india, mesepotamia, etc and which also steal names
>decides to come up with the red year that was supposed to be way more cataclysmic in scope, changing the names of all the provinces and destroying morrowind so that, in his own words, "Morrowind goes boom because I am a vain child who doesn't like to share his toys."
>red year ends up being much less destructive in scope but a lot of its effects still take place, eslewyr (a name he despised, "I could get rid of that dumb cringe pun name for the rest of fricking time oh my god I hate that dumb cringe pun so much"), is renamed after being taken by the thalmor, hammefell is restarting the crown/forbear shit that he worked in back in redguard, and finally "At least I got to throw a moon-turd into Vvardenfell, keeping it safe from future tampering. Love. My will only. That kinda thing."
he self inserted as vivec so hard that he played vivec during bethesda forum RP nonsense where he dabbed on and facefricked azura and literally had his OC destroy his work in-game out of spite and possessiveness while altering other people's work
>I can't speak for you, but I have a really fricking annoying friend who loves fallout 4 largely because it's incredibly casual friendly and gobbles up the horrible quasi-retrofuturistic artstyle and I'm getting real goddamn tired of hearing him gush about how awesome the TV show is and how well Bethesda has handled the franchise while being openly hostile to the idea of engaging with the universe on a more than surface level. I'm so fricking tired of just nodding, smiling, and pretending not to be infuriated that a series I loved is in the hands of people who don't give a shit about it.
None of this is true by the way
It already happened with Morrowind, Bethesda was upset that people liked the lore of that game so they wrote in the whole place being destroyed and turned the setting into Marvel with the Thalmor as punishment
>Bethesda was upset that people liked the lore of that game so they wrote in the whole place being destroyed
actually it was kirbride that wrote the red year, he did it because he didnt want bethesda to touch morrowind and all the things he wrote after he was gone so he would rather have it destroyed
I do still wonder why they set it in LA, if you wanted to be close to NV and still have that post-apocalypse feel why not set it in Utah which is canonically a mix of stuff like Mad Max biker gangs and tribals. Could have been interesting in that setting.
Destroying NV intentionally was the goal from the beginning.
>e-celebs are already unironically doing a damage control for this piece of shit saying it doesn't apparently retcon shit and NPCs agree with them and call everyone who disagrees a toxic NV fan
kekaroo
>trannies have lived long enough to be called chuds
congratulations to the 58%
Who could have foreseen the liberal left eating itself?
i don't give a frick about that, it's mostly a joke about them living long enough.
>Actually watching the show
What's wrong with you losers. Fallout is dead and buried. Get over it. There will never be anything good Fallout related ever officially released again.
I'm so glad that dogshit game is not canon anymore. Most obnoxious fan base in gaming history.
Are you moronic? Serious question
>he genuinely thinks Todd meant that in the OP after the lengths he went through to erase Troon Vegas from the canon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA MONG
I think you're misunderstanding why people are so upset. it's not that the idea that NV would've been retconned, it's that the entire nation state of the NCR was somehow completely erased by a single town that was moved miles south of where it used to be getting nuked. even if the timeline wasn't poorly communicated to the viewer, it's still taking a massive dump on what the was the point of the original 2 games, and the progression of the setting between them. It's a pretty transparent excuse to hit the reset button on the west coast instead of actually trying to tangle with the show taking place in a fully functioning democratic republic, while also retroactively making some story elements from the first game more nonsensical by just adding more vaults to the region to the boneyard despite The Master's presence there.
>image
Vault 13 was super close to Mariposa, and never got found, just being a short walk inside a cave. Then the Vault Dweller blows up the master before he can get to them later anyway. It isn't much of a stretch to say his dumbass mutants (there are some, but very few are smart) just couldn't find or figure out a way into the vaults from the show before the master died, or just weren't interested in going after the vaults when they already had a steady supply of humans.
>or just weren't interested in going after the vaults when they already had a steady supply of humans.
Black person the Lieutenant was all hype that his lads had caught a prime human and wanted to know where to find more.
vault 13 was in a cave, and it IS eventually found if you don't complete the story fast enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSlBlQqVZtU
The entrance to the 3 vaults in the show is sticking out of the ground in the open next to the coast, and if they can blow off one vault door, they can blow off any vault door.
>the rest of your post
see
Reminder that a rich israelite has more in common with the average israelite than with a rich white.
Nuke or not there's no mention of any ''fall'' by NV NPCs, seems weird that they'd leave that out
Dunno why its so hard for Todd to just admit they messed up the dates. If this happened after 2281 no one would give a shit
>Dunno why its so hard for Todd to just admit they messed up the dates.
Unironically. And this specific shot was made litereally without any actors on screen, you literally don't have to ring up Ella to look at moronic chalkboard to redo it, all you have to do is just change the date to, let's say 2282-2283 and let's say Maximus is just a moron.
My guess is that they can't and 2277 is a locked in date and maybe changing it now will change how Hank, Moldaver and Maximus were written for future seasons. It's very likely the finger pointing between Bethesda and TV series writing staff is hot as frick right now, like Todd throws a date of possible nuking at them that's not 2277 and they shoot him down for what they are trying to do with Fallout.
2077 was probably locked in because "200 years exactly after the first bombs, sooo coool"
meant 2277* obviously
Yeah, don't worry, I make same typo every time.
I honestly at first assumed it was in correlation to Fallout 3. West Coast as we knew it is dead and Todd brought East Coast back to West Coast, which is literally just bullshit Todd stole from West Coast before it outgrew it.
>morons unable to read a timeline
why are you so stupid
>why didnt the romans know they were in the fall of the roman empire?
these kinds of titles are only given in retrospect you fool
Pretty sure if some calamitous event happened to the Shady Sands the NPCs talking about Shady Sands in NV would at least mention it
Could just refer to the 1st battle of hoover dam, signialing the start of the their long bloody war with the Legion. Or retrospective to how the NCR was spiraling out of control cuz of corruption.
It wasn't. The NCR was in a really good place in 2277, despite some problems. That's how they had the resources to continue a foreign expeditionary occupation for at least 4 years after this point.
A 4 year military expedition tends to drain funds and cause strife at home. Almost everyone you speak to in the NCR has something to complain about, including Hanlon who things the NCR are heading towards famine
>A 4 year military expedition tends to drain funds and cause strife at home.
Yes. And it was becoming a problem by 2281. It was not an issue in 2277.
>including Hanlon who things the NCR are heading towards famine
No, Hanlon thinks that the NCR is simply biting off more than it can chew. It's Thomas Hildern who suggests that the NCR needs to improve its agricultural output, and he's in the R&D office specifically funded to make that a reality. The most charitable reading of his analysis is that he's right, there is a problem, and the NCR is actively investing in solving it. An uncharitable interpretation is that Hildern was exaggerating a problem in order to keep the money flowing into his department.
I meant Hildern, just got the names mixed up. The NCR got too big for their boots (and too civilized for the setting)
No they weren't. Their currency was dog shit and multiple settlements where undermining NCR authority like the Hub and Reddings barons. Tbey where absolutely tur ing to shit si ce the BOS bombed their gold. One shit war and a nuke is enough to frick them over.
assuming everything you say is correct, that still doesn't explain how the state has completely regressed. What happened to all the infrastructure and people?
>infastructure
There was none. It was always just F1 and F2 tier settlements but bigger. 700k is not alot for a state as big as CA + west Nevada.
>there was none
there totally was though. How do you think they're rerouting power from the dam to the NCR anon? they got that wireless electricity in the future?
The same way they did with routing from hoover/Helios to Vegas despite tge whole are still looking like a shit hole. The same way they powered all of LA despite it being all ruins. Existing pre war infastructure. Everything still looks like shit in CA.
>where's the infrastructure
>it doesn't exist
>yes it does
>OK it does but it was pre war
so where the frick is it all then anon?
Wrong. They had power and running water and industrial manufacturing.
>700k is not alot
That was in Fallout 2. By New Vegas they'd be well over a million.
>NCR had no infrastructure
Fallout 3 is down the hall and to the left
Yes, thatd my point, it would all be the same settlements we see in F1 and F2. But bigger. They would not have roads, they would not have new small towns, they do not have industry outside of the gun runners. They are still in a unoacified wasteland with mutated wild life everywhere. They just drove off all the raiders
Back to fallout 3 and 4 with you
>show in game Shady Sands featuring newly paved roads
>"erm NCR don't have roads!!!"
Have a (You)
The roads that dont extend out of the settlement for vehicles that the NCR has none of.
So what? You problem is now they don't have cars? Frick off lol
They dont have cars so they never built roads befween settlements, moron.
They don't. Those are literally Brahmin caravans.
>They don't
You find destroyed vehicles on the long 15 after nuking it in LR anon
Just how you find useless trucks in mccarren airport?
McCarren wasn't nuked anon. There are crashed vertibirds too, those are NCR vehicles you blew up with the nuke.
>vehicles the NCR has none of
They have a highway from Cali to Nevada that they use for convoy transports via trucks anon. The idea that they have vertibirds but not working cars is insane considering you get a fricking car in FO2
>Their currency was dog shit
It was suffering inflation in 2281. It was not worthless, especially not 4 years earlier. Currency inflation is also a national problem, not something specific to shady sands.
>and multiple settlements where undermining NCR authority like the Hub and Reddings barons
Old news already long dealt with by 2277.
So, did we win or did we lose?
>new fan
you won
>old fan
you lost in 2008 when FO3 released.
new Vegas was a mistake
Todd Howard, I offer my apology and concession.
Who's apologizing now
did anyone venture into hell and see what resetera thinks about it,
I am curious about their hypocrisy as for
>stopkillingames
they took the pro-corporate side just to oppose Ganker, I see them embracing the retcon of NV despite all the troony memes to claim it just to up it to the complains on 4chinz
>Nuking a single city (which isn't even where it's supposed to be on the map) suddenly caused the rest of the nation to roll back 200 years in terms of progress
Yeah no, that's moronic.
They where on the brink of collapse in NV. You're coping.
No they absolutely fricking weren't. They were so strong that an expeditionary finger of their standing military was able to draw the only other regional power to a stalemate.
An "expedition" that is easily more than half of their military power. This is one of the biggest cope that NCRgays have used even prior to the show.
Not even close. In fact the biggest complaint about the NCRs occupation of Nevada is that the NCR congress was treating it as a side show and not investing enough into it, keeping the bulk of the military for domestic defense.
Them collapsing would just lead to your standard balkanization with multiple smaller nations. It wouldn't be the anarchic shithole Bethesda wishes the west coast was.
e-girlng at Todd acting like Bethesda content is canon in the first place.
Bethesda didn't make Fallout, they just bought the rights from some guy. NV is broadly considered canon because it is largely based off Van Buren design docs etc. It's not complicated.
I haven't booted up NV in a few years. What are the essential mods I need to get it running well? Does "Viva New Vegas" take care of everything in the stead of all the various improvements I grabbed off Nexus like the crash remover?
Viva new vegas is just a mod guide with all the fixes you should need
Does that compatible with TTW and restores the cut content of House sparing the BoS?
Just remember to video games.
Serves them right for trying to make the courier pay taxes
People taking the show that was made by non fans and gamers are morons. Nothing in the show is canon. Its made by kid frickers that hates you and your hobby.
So according to Todd the vault 4 refugees just went
>Shady Sands has fallen. Billions will be nooked (we won't specify when though :^)
Breaking news!
Cam someone explain to me why homosexuals give a shit if something is canon or not?
>NOOOOOOO! The cringe creator said my favorite thing is not canon!!! It's over!!!
Who gives a shit what the creator or some big corporation thinks? Why does it matter if it's not canon? Is this a similar kind of phenomenon to aphantasia or the lack of an inner voice? Just like a person with aphantasia can't imagine an apple without seeing it or a person without an inner voice can't hear itself without speaking, do some people need someone else to decide what's "canon"/important in terms of midia as they can't do it themselves?
>"NOOO THEY RETCONNED NEW VEGAS TODD HATES FALLOUT THEY ARE TRYING TO ERASE EVERYTHING"
>it's confirmed that nothing was retconned
>"Umm we never said it was retconned, that's not what we're seething over teehee ;)"
Who are you people trying to fool?
They did retcon new vegas. Todd claims it's still canon, but it can't be in the timeline of the show. He's so fricking stupid and bitter that he just open lies about the basic story of his own shit. Because he's a homosexual moron, and so are you.
>and bitter
The eternal NVtroon projection
Bethesda regularly shits on the canon for the elder scrolls, their own fricking IP. Of course they won't give a shit about inconsistencies with previous fallout lore, they'll just say only what the newest thing we're shilling says is canon and anything that contradicts it is overwritten by the new thing. It is writing on par with capeshit that TES fans have tolerated for years through moronic plot devices like the "warp in the west" that handwave shit away which can't be implemented in a non magical setting.
The warp in the west was a clever was of making multiple endings to a single game canon to the subsequent games. Not even close to the same as a blatant retcon.
Stop defending lazily-written propaganda loosely, and I mean FRICKING loosely, based on the Fallout universe. It's just another shitty bethesda fanfic written by women and israelites who like pissing off loyal fanbases that they've never been a part of it because they only played Fo4 once years ago.
Go back to NMA
>FNV players were told in LR that all their actions were pointless because tunnelers would destroy the Mojave in a few years
>a few years later, the Mojave has been destroyed
You can't say you weren't warned lmao.
>the tunnelers that can't stand sunlight and I kill dozens of during the proceedings of Lonesome Road are totally going to invade and are a very serious threat to the region
Every Fallout MC since day 1 is not indicative of the ability of the average person. The normal person in the setting is canonically BAD at fallout, which is why death claws in the quarry and cazadors on the road from goodsprings were such issues.
Ok but the thing is I can believe Cazadors and Deathclaws are a threat because they're dangerous enemies in the game. I don't believe Tunnelers are threaten when the only times you fight them are underground and they're weak to light.
LR?
I never installed LR. The tunnelers don't exist.
They're bad at their job and didn't think about this before people called them out at being bad at their job. I guess at least it's not Emil just making fun of everyone for caring about decent writing. Still not watching
NV trannies are so fricking annoying and mentally ill, no wonder they're trannies
All they were looking for was a reason to shit on Bethesda and Todd again, that's all they wanted, now they're going to look for something else to be mad about
>TODD HOWARD CONFIRMS
He's got no say. Let him play in his dream world
Todd Howard also said Starfield was his dream game, let that sink in. His dream game was something he barely had a hand in because he outsourced most of its development to Indian code monkeys.
why didnt they just ADR or re do the VFX? it seems like a very big mistake and not unintentional, they also had actual 'thesda execs in the producer staff. literally the first thing i did was check the date FONV takes place in the lore after i heard that vault 34 chick tell the date on the nuking and it predates FONV
Reminder that race is more important than class.
>The only time in the entire show that the Fallout theme plays is when Lucy hold up the NCR flag
come on homies, I don't think Todd hates NV that much
It's the Fallout 4 theme specifically
Go listen to New Vegas's theme, it wouldn't have fit the tone of the scene at all.
They played the Fallout 3 theme during that scene, what do you think they meant by that
Reminder that the headcanon of Todd and Emil having a seething hatred for not just New Vegas but also the first games and it's creators comes exclusively from 1 tweet by a game journalist. That's it. That's all it's based on.
Yeah, Todd played the original games as a kid. In a recent video, Tim Cain (who I personally think is a bit of a gay but that's neither here nor there) said he watched Todd and his brother arguing about who bought their copy of Fallout and who was the one that "borrowed" it from the other. Todd really is a huge RPG-nerd and likes the games. People just hate on him because it's funny to bully a manlet nerd and he is basically the face of everything Bethesda, good or bad. I will say Toddposting is one of my favorite memes though.
Remember that Bethesda is one of the few RPG developers who survived, when nearly everyone else flopped and died around 2000s. Not only that, Bethesda also gained mainstream success and made the biggest RPGs of all time.
So of course nerds are seething and coping.
Probably because they're not RPGs but Shooters which have very much been a thriving market since the 7th gen.
Cope
>yes
>no (yes)
>more questions (yes?)
>sarcastic (frick yes)
>Todd fricking knelt
Goddammit.
You can thank troons for that. I mean seriously they hold so much influence over media that they are begun competing with israelites now.
It always gets me how people, knowing that the nuke happened later, still insist that this "fall" doesn't make sense. IRL, historians discuss the "fall of Rome" all the time. If you go read about it or watch a documentary, it is NEVER just a discussion of Rome getting sacked. They always start much earlier, and will tell you about Rome thriving at the height of its power, and then how small problems piled up, and then eventually culminated in the capital being unable to defend itself and being destroyed. That's exactly what the "fall of Shady Sands" is supposed to be.
We have plenty of New Vegas NPCs talk about how corrupt and shitty things are back in Shady Sands or other parts of the NCR, but they wouldn't call it the "fall" because maybe Shady Sands could bounce back from all that stuff. But if the city is a giant crater, it makes sense for people to say, "Shady Sands blew up in year 228X, but it really fell back in 2277 when [insert political event] happened."
Don't look for logic, people are just grasping at straws to shit on popular thing, that's all there is
People say the fall of rome when it was actually sacked and collapsed, not when the bad shit happened which facilitate that eventual sacking years earlier. They discuss why it eventually happened, but they do not say that the fall happened before it actually, literally did, because that would be moronic.
But also, 2277 was literally the absolute peak of the NCR. Calling it "the fall of shady sands" would be like saying the fall of rome happened during the rule of fricking Trajan.
Alright cool but why is Shady Sands more than 200 miles away from where it should be?
Narrative convenience so the main characters could walk past it and they could show it to you
This one I would legitimately just chalk up to a movie/TV plot hole. They may very well have had a conversation like this:
>Okay, and then they go to Shady Sands and see the crater.
>How far away is that?
>Uh, really fricking far. It should take them several days walking to get there.
>Hm. Well, we could do that, but it would probably seem like pointless filler or a weird to timeskip a trip that should have lots of dialogue and relationship-building.
>Let's just cut that out then. The story will flow better without it, and only the super-fans will care. Hopefully they'll be more forgiving since they love Fallout stuff.
>>Let's just cut that out then. The story will flow better without it, and only the super-fans will care. Hopefully they'll be more forgiving since they love Fallout stuff.
Glad that turned out well for them
Is tactics canon again?
>practically all of the continental United States is brotherhood turf
Oh good god no.
Not if the chicago enclave have anything to say about it!
- How were vaults 33,32,31 and 4 not discovered by the Master despite being in the LA area? Especially when these vaults had their entrances not concealed. For that matter why were these vaults not contacted in it's 100 years of history? When the NCR was in charge of the Boneyard and all of Southern California.
- Why doesn't the BoS utilize any other suit beyond the T60? This is also a gripe with their depiction in FO4. They should employ a mixture of T51, T45, T60 and Enclave APA.
- Why doesn't the faction famous for their energy weapons use any?
- When did Shady Sands stop being 'the first capital of the NCR'? The sign was clearly made when there was still a city there. It was still the capital in FNV (2281) and Todd Howard has stated the city was nuked shortly after FNV.
- Where did Lucy's father get the nuke from? How did he blow up the city? Whenever pre-war nuclear weapons were brough up in the games they were a big deal.
- Why aren't there any signs of the NCR's existence in Southern California outside of the Shady Sands crater? Without it there is no evidence of a country existing there for 100 years.
- Why was Shady Sands moved hundreds of miles to be in the LA area?
- 'Somehow... the Enclave returned'
- What happened to the rest of the NCR after Shady Sands was destroyed? What happened to places like Adytum or the Hub?
>spits on both newbies that worship FONV and bash east coast fallout
>also spits on nmagay copium addicts that worship FO1 even though it hasn't been relevant for multiple decades
>embraces the bold narrative aspects of FO2 and its whimsical tone
dare i say, fo2gays were the most vindicated by this
>Somehow the Enclave returned
Those frickers should have stayed dead. But nice try and pretending that F2gays would somehow be okay with the show.
nooo the prydwyn being there means the BOS ending is totally canon also the NV house ending is totally canon.
Where were the people going "BUT IT MAKES NV MEANINGLESS" when LR confirmed that the tunnelers were going to destroy the Mojave in a few years anyway? If anything it's even worse because it tells you that none of what you do matters in the long run before you even finish the game.
LR didnt confirm anything
Tunnelers are gays that'd get slotted the moment they came out of their caves
>when LR confirmed
You mean, "when one schizo moronic suggested"
Because that's merely Ulysses talking out his ass, not an actual thing that could occur.
Avellone and Sawyer wanted to reset the west coast too but at least they would do something interesting with it. Bethesda is wiping everything so they can do their same tired Brotherhood vs. Enclave/Raiders/Mutants conflict while not giving a shit about anything else.
I genuinely believe they are setting up the bald guy who is grooming Maximus to instigate Brotherhood of Steel civil war. So we don't be getting BoS vs. Enclave/Raiders/Mutants, we'll be getting BoS vs. BoS.
>Avellone and Sawyer wanted to reset the west coast too but at least they would do something interesting with it.
I mean Avellone also wanted to nuke the NCR
>Bethesda is wiping everything so they can do their same tired Brotherhood vs. Enclave/Raiders/Mutants conflict while not giving a shit about anything else.
Isn't this the opposite in the show? Vault-Tec are the main overarching antagonists now.
tbh I would have preferred seeing Van Buren's Presper as a way to reset the West Coast. Using a virus to kill off the population is more interesting then nukes again.
>confirmed
You mean it was "confirmed" by the same guy who won't shut the frick up about his schizo ideology and blames you for all of his problems in life?
Yeah I know I saw Howard released a statement recently that New Vegas was still canon im convinced the main userbase of this site has the reading comprehension and critical thinking skills of a bird
The fixation on Shady Sands instead of the NCR as a whole tells me that the NCR is probably fine. Otherwise they'd be saying "The fall of the NCR".
Nobody uses their currency though. There's even a "caps only" sign in Filly
Nobody wants the NCR currency after the BoS blew up the gold reserve, maybe this implies The Hub still exists but I doubt the writers thought about that and how Bethesda used caps in their games despite being miles away
They're probably just up north in redding now
Or the writers are just moronic and condensed the entire NCR into Shady Sands.
The only thing we see of the NCR in the show is a handful of shitty mad max raiders
The NCR is dead anon. New Vegas is fallen, Shady Sands is fallen. We see random scavengers wearing recon armour, which sure can mean they just found it, but it likely is meant to be storytelling imagery that this armour is no longer used for its intended purpose (NCR is dead).
>random scavengers wearing recon armour
Could have been an ex-ranger himself who just fricked off with his family when the NCR fell. He looked old enough.
>Moldaver activates the cold fusion MacGuffin
>Moldaver and Maximus see an entire city's power come back
So are there people living there or what?
No. She just did that.
The NCR was aways just a collection of settlements. The NCR just dissolved and each settlement just fricked off.
>collection of settlements
That's what the Legion is.
No, the Legion actually destroys all past identies and forced everyone to be Legion under them. The NCR doesnt. Each settlement agrees to join. While later northern state where cohersed, but still agreed.
Each settlement is forced to join either way. You're never actually meant to say no because the NCR will pressure you to do so when they own everything around you or via false-flag attacks. This has already been gone over since F2's Vault City's questline on how the NCR deals with acquiring cities that do not bend the knee.
Yes but those settlements will not think of themselves as the NCR and wont have alot of pride in it. Where as everyone in the Legion is only part of the Legion. This matters when you start conscripting for a war that nobody in their nothern territories cares about. Of couse they would frick off once the actual NCR goverment, which is mainly located in SS, gets nuked. NCR core territories are mainly just the F1 settlements. F2 settlements have less loyalty.
It doesn't matter what they think or if they like it or not as long as they pay their taxes and give them the shit they need.
And once things go to shit they're the first to leave, rebel, undermine. Which is what we see.
That's false because the NCR has their own MIC where they literally produce their own munitions and gear enough to equip every recruit that gets conscripted or volunteers.
IIRC Todd said "we haven't seen the last of the NCR" in an interview recently so yeah, most likely it's still around in some form. Wouldn't surprise me if it's fully restored by the end of the show, even.
This. We see a sherif guy with only two lackeys claiming to be president of the NCR. Cooper questions him about it and the guy just say, "Well, why not?" Meanwhile, there's a whole fricking base of people flying NCR flags not far from there. So clearly the NCR is fractured somehow, but there are plenty of people that see it as the "legitimate" government. It reminds me of all the medieval kingsoms IRL claiming to be the true heirs of the Roman Empire.
There could very well be a larger faction of the NCR out there that just hasn't reestablished their control over the Shady Sands region yet. And why bother, really, when it's just a frickin crater and some junky villages like Filly nearby?
Are the enclave even back? i haven't seen any proof of this, it seems like vault tec is taking over their role in the franchise
The old homosexual with the dog literally runs away from a fully staffed Enclave base somewhere snowy (probably Oregon or Washington)
Insane, how does that make any fricking sense
Enclave being contained to just the west coast is already retconned by 3 and 76 which has Enclave bases in their settings. It also makes sense to have independent cells, glow Black folk never put all their eggs in one basket.
Seems so pointless, what worth can the enclave provide to this setting at this point.
Easy way to throw high level, power-armored enemies at the player.
as the other guy said easy source of end game geared enemies, but also allows them to just always have a shadowy bad guy that can show up in any moment for the shit gets real scene that kicks off the third act, its story telling made easy.
Vault Tec higher ups were always Sneedclave. The Sneedclave in general was always "the deep state", and that inevitably includes giant corporations, especially when they collaborate with the goverment, as Vault Tec obviously did.
>Vault Tec higher ups were always Sneedclave.
No, they weren't, they were a fricking scam company that sold holes in the ground.
You think Vault Tec just did the experiments for no reason? No, mouthbreather, it was for the goverment. Because they were working for/with the deep state (aka the Enclave pre-nukes)
It was R&D to figure out how to build better vaults.
moronic headcanon you got there
vault tec was always enclave, look it up. also the theory that started the great war has been around for ages.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault#True_purpose
the TV show is the true spiritual successor to Fallout 2. it plays fast and loose with the lore just like fallout 2 did, and creates something truly new. anyone who enjoys fallout 2 and doesn't enjoy the show is an idiot.
i played it on bethesda launcher, i don't know how to see the hours
It wasn't a '''theory''' it was a plot point from the cancelled interplay movie. Since then it was confirmed to be the chinese now it's back to vault tec
the whole "who started the war" is on same level as "who's azor ahai", nobody knows and it doesn't really matter. also vault tec could have done it while at the same time not, because they were extended so far into the entire american society that a splinter dept. could easily have pulled it off covertly from rest of vault tec...
>vault tec was always enclave,
No, it wasn't, it was completely defunct post war. It wasn't even a contractor with the government.
you keep saying that but it keeps not being true, you are really autistic about this
I'm still not going to fricking watch it.
I don't want more Fallout 3 style shenanigans in the wasteland that look like the bombs dropped 20 years ago as opposed to 200.
I WANT SOCIETIES AND IDEOLOGIES, TODD.
NOT HIJINKS AND UNNAMED RAIDER GANGS
do you not know how to read a timeline? look at it right here
do you see how the arrow keps going after the fall of shady sands, meaning the nukes happen LATER on the timeline? or are you moronic?
>o you see how the arrow keps going
Why is there no other arrows in the board?
because its a single time line and the arrow is to the last event on the timeline like pic related, have you really never seen a timeline before?
do you not know what the fall of the roman empire was? it was not a single, calamatous event, it was a decay over many years that people only labeled in retrospect
>because its a single time line and the arrow is to the last event on the timeline like pic related
Pic related has an arrow after the last event, not before
Are you moronic?
If they werent referring to a single event then why is it dated as happening in 2277
something clearly happened
If they wanted to nuke the world to take over once the dust settled, then WHY BUILD ALL THE OTHER VAULTS FUNCTIONAL ENOUGH TO SURVIVE THE NUKES? Surely, all those other survivors rebuilding can send them back to square one, requiring MORE FRICKING NUKES.
Obsidisisters... I can't cope with it anymore... the Betheschuds just keep winning while we lose more and more...
>Enclave nuked America to raise profit margins for some inexplicable reason
This is the worst addition to the Fallout history to date.
Why not just set the show on the east coast if they wanted their raiders n rubble
They (hollywood) wanted california for sure
Wasn't it explicitly for the tax credits?
>This show retconned NV
Actually, NV retconned this show
>Graham Wagner and Geneva Robertson-Dworet
Who the frick are these two
People talk about the NCR but where the frick did the Enclave come from in this story? This ain't Chicago or anywhere near there
Please stop thinking
The Enclave only shows up at a base somewhere snowy, and the lone scientist who runs away to California to meet up with Moldaver. My guess is that the base is somewhere up in the Rocky Mountains.
They're gonna reveal that there is actually another offshore Enclave base.
76 has a fricking space station doesn't it?
East Coast, the Elder literally says that the Commonwealth chapter of the BOS were the ones who tipped the chapter we see in the show that Wilzig went rouge from the Enclave and was heading their way.
when did you realize the show was megakino?
for me it was the second i realized it's not trying to just reframe bethesda or black isle fallout, instead it creates a sort of synthesis between fallout 1 and 2
How well is this show doing, anyway? It seems to be trying to coast off rage baiting the actual fans of Fallout.
Normgroids think something with a brand is better than a generic post-apoc show, make of that what you will.
But is it selling? I've heard nothing about it other than Fallout fans shitting on it. Even normalgays don't seem to talk about it or acknowledge it.
What are its ratings?
Popular with normies so it is fulfilling its purpose.
Wut, it's gory GotG and pretty much trying to reel in the lowest common consumer prostitute masses.
I don't buy normalgays are eating this up and this isn't just a netflix narrative like what happened around the Halo show. Netflix is known for virally marketing its shows in an attempt to make them seem more popular than they are.
>Wut, it's gory GotG
These shows aren't remotely alike.
>actual fans
NMAtards and gays who worship FONV but never played the classics aren't actual fans
It makes the events of FO2 worthless as well, so if you care about the old games, it pisses them off too.
Post hours and the original disks
Really well. It has great reviews from actual viewers, and is generating massive levels of Fallout discussion online, which was the point from a business perspective. It isn't coincidence that there was a huge Fallout sale on Steam. They probably made a shitload of extra sales (they call it "lift" in advertising) because of the show. It's also already greenlit for season 2, and got a massive $25 million tax credit from California to move production there from New York. It's pretty successful by any metric.
ok i rape you tomorrow SAAARS
>(they call it "lift" in advertising)
i call it 'train tracks' in toiletry.
kek I had to look this up, why does california suck up the most moronic projects? this will go about as well as the Halo show did.
>Really well.
Proof?
>It has great reviews from actual viewers, and is generating massive levels of Fallout discussion online, which was the point from a business perspective.
But these aren't sales, and Fallout hasn't had a new game since 76.
And 76's numbers right now, they're kinda shit:
https://steamcharts.com/app/1151340#3m
Sooooooo where is the 'lift'? Getting greenlit for S2 is a laughable thing, as well because EVERYTHING gets an S2, they started filming an S2 before they debut S1.
>Getting greenlit for S2 is a laughable thing, as well because EVERYTHING gets an S2, they started filming an S2 before they debut S1.
No they fricking don't, there's a reason why there are two year gaps between seasons in every tv show nowadays.
>Sooooooo where is the 'lift'?
People buying the existing games or DLC. Notice how you completely ignored mentioning the Steam sale in your post. I'm willing to bet they pulled in a ton of money from that.
Shouldn't the sale mean there are more people playing 76 than ever before? It's, again, the last Bethesda Fallout property
soooooooooooooo
where are they?
>I'm willing to bet they pulled in a ton of money from that.
I'm willing to bet you're full of shit and live in india.
Why would people play 76 when it hasn't won any awards and has been generally lambasted in every review since it first arrived, when there are several other games in the same sale that have all been labeled as some of the greatest games of all time? Fallout 4 came out almost 10 years ago. That's ten years worth of newly-adult gamers that probably didn't get to play it as kids and might buy the game. Same for every other older game. I myself didn't buy Fallout 1 and 2 until around the time New Vegas came out when I was in college.
Nothing from the shit(y)show is canon. simple solution
>New Vegas is canon, doubtful House won considering the town looks decrepit
>BoS ending confirmed won in Commonwealth
Housegays... your responce?
Independent Vegas is canon.
Would be based as shit but they wont risk bringing in a game protag like the Courier, more likely to be Legion
They won't bring the Courier in, at most they're going to show the Courier decked out in the Ranger armor.
People give too much relevance to Vegas looking decrepit. I'm preety sure it's just the way the show does post credits teasers in general, Vegas could still be fine.
I 100% agree but I'm just going with what we have right now. Theyll probably show it bustling and alive in the S2 teaser which will open up House winning as possible again, but for now I have to give Housegays a hard time
Why are people trying to justify bad writing now? And I'm talking about both sides of the argument, just call it bad writing.
>Todd actually hates New Vegas it's finally confirmed
Wait... so Media Literacy chads were right? No, it can't be, I am in charg ACK-
House already left the planet with the rest of New Vegas
This would be based but it's 100% gonna be some stupid shit like 'the courier won but left vegas anyway and a house AI took over'
so what you're saying is
The House Always Wins
Funniest thing about this show and the discussion around it is that there's an actual, literal troony in it but nobody cares.
lorecels are getting buckbroken todd also said the show doesn't canonise any endings from fallout 4 or nv at the pre-release.
Does Todd even know his own games
Its an Error they used the model of the prydwen or its simply a revision of the prydwen either way no canon endings are confirmed todd said so.
Unrelated but does Lonesome Road happen before or after Battle of Hoover Dam?
All the DLCs happen before Hoover Dam.
Battle of Hoover Dam is the end of the game, everything you do in NV is before.
Before in the game, but it makes no sense to happen at all. If you won Hoover Dam, Bear Bull monologues make Ulysses even more moronic, if you nuked a faction (or both) there's no point for the battle as neither side should be able to justify sending hundreds of people to a meat grinder.
What I'm getting is that this is a narrative trainwreck just like the Halo series was, and will be reviled as the worst thing ever in like a year
Got it. Continue your street-shitting shilling, Pajeets
why does fallout loregayging always come off as particularly dumb and whiny
>Fallout 1,2,NV lore show Brotherhood of Steel becoming increasingly irrelevant thanks to their own doctrine
>Show has 100's of Brotherhood of Steel members and the fricking Zeppelin from Fallout 4, they are the dominant force!
Yeah... that is really not a retcon thanks Todd!
Todd is just taking from tactics, which is canon or not canon depending on the week
its clearly the East coast Brotherhood ftom 3/4 who are thriving
So you're saying their is a fundamental contradiction in the lore between these games? Did this IP change management at some point or something I am confused...
WE DID IT NV BROS
NEW DLC WHEN TODD
>adapt setting that lets you get away with being a total cartoon
>still manage to totally frick up people's suspension of disbelief
Bravo Nolan
>canon has long been established that the nukes that fell in America came from China, that both sides were bad but ultimately the nukes were fired by the Chinese because they were losing the ground war
>Hollywood gets involved
>"Actually, the greedy American megacorps nuked America for their own profit margins! America nuked itself! The Chinese are innocent!"
Hmmm.
Couldnt it be both?
Considering the words 'China' or 'Chinese' are not uttered a single time in this show, apparently not.
There was a crashed chinese satellite in episode three, where Wilzig dies and Lucy chops his head off.
>chinese
It was Soviet
That's not Chinese, it has USSR written on it, but close.
It was the Zetans, this is Canon.
>t. Bethesda Employee, Todd pays me to let him practice his Karate on me in front of the wagies so they fear him.
China dropping the nukes is a bethesda thing, it was a mystery that never needed to be solved before then
how can fricking morons like you even function?!
Since fallout 1 it was always established that everyone nuked everyone and nobody know who shot first.
But the US and China are 100% responsible for the end of the world.
>canon has long been established that the nukes that fell in America came from China,
wrong
>No, no, no New Vegas happened, it just didn't matter.
Just take the loss and say the show isn't canon, holy fricking shit already.
only 1,2,NV is canon
everything else is too moronic to be canon, canon requires effort
It won't matter for people who chose the NCR route but that was the most boring route of the four, no one actually picked it right? R-right?
I did, they were the only real hope for wasteland until Todd fricked it up for no reason.
>the only real hope is the same system that destroyed the whole world except this one doesn't have a proper industry
Stunningly wrong and Bravely moronic
Seems like it was working fine, considering they likely had the most advanced civilization in the wasteland.
>most advanced civilization in the wasteland
>can't beat spear chucking football pad wearing larpers
A tale as old as time
New vegas already make sit clear the NCR is fricked and is gonna fall apart anyway
So how are they going to explain why the Legion doesn't own Hoover Dam now?
>why go west when east?
Lanius didn't even fight at Hoover Dam in the new canon.
Todd could set a new Fallout game to be on another planet and still find a way to include the BOS
Don't give him ideas. I don't want the BoS to be in Starfield 2.
bro, how the frick can you care about a story that not even they care about
Think Black folk, think
>I don’t know how a timeline works but I’ll say it’s not retconned to save face
have a nice day OP, they knew what the frick it was
Probably not a retcon, they are actually using stuff and acknowledging New Vegas but they also likely fricked up with the timeline
Wait, so why did Lucy's mom choose to run to Shady Sands?
She found out civilization had returned for years already and didn't want her children to live in a vault forever.
Even if the show doesn't retcon anything fact is it takes a massive shit on quite a few things, mainly the NCR and Vegas both being destroyed.
The NCR being destroyed, I don't mind considering that it's a whole theme with the faction that it's repeating the mistakes of the society that led to nuclear war in the first place but I would like them to expand on Hank's backstory so that he nuked the NCR because he actually did try to live there for a while with his family but he grew to hate how corrupt and ineffective everything was there, which is what led to him nuking it (and his mindset that they need to clear all the existing factions to improve the wasteland)
So, instead of having inconsistencies, we now have FNV being completely pointless. Who won the battle of Hoover Dam? Who controls Vegas? Who cares, Vault Tec wiped it off the map and New Vegas is a uninhabitable wasteland.
And the show still has some moronation going on, explain how the Unity didn't found Vault 33 despite it being in LA and out in the open.
House is still alive, so House controls Vegas and Dam.
>House is still alive
Citation needed. All we know is Vegas is a barren ruin.
They hired an actor to play House, they will use him again to keep NV fans hate watching.
nah vegas is thriving, and new vegas independent zone will be a major location in season 2
Why isn't Legion consuming everything if NCR is out of the picture?
Legion fell apart after Caesar died. It’s that simple.
Because they either stalemated or lost. Caesar is most certainly dead regardless. Either they show eventually with Lanius and become a big bad of S3 or some shit or they stay forgotten by the show.
Likely an Independent/House victory that see the deaths of General Oliver, Caesar, and Legate Lanius. Ganghaps even Lonesome Road and the nuking of Arizona is canon
Who the frick cares about Fallout canon? Even the games themselves don't give a shit about internal logic or chronology. We're talking about a series where people live in houses that have been busted for hundreds of years without fixing them up at all.
>Even the games themselves don't give a shit about internal logic or chronology.
Fallout 2 and New Vegas did
>We're talking about a series where people live in houses that have been busted for hundreds of years without fixing them up at al
Not in the above two games. That's why people are and continue to be upset.
Who cares what he says, he made starfield, all respect he had is gone.
why do fallout fans hate fallout so much?
It's not my Fallout.
Fallout games basically pokemon's gens. People pick one gen and hate the other ones for being too different.
It's not that shrimple. 3 and NV are the same gen and yet you'll find the biggest war to be that one.
Technically? Sure, but they aren't released at the same time so that is not how most of the community see it. And some pokegays still argue about shit like "Gold vs Silver" anyway.
>The 'youre not a real fan unless you consoom everything we shove to you'
Didn't work for Star Wars why would you try it again
>Black person say 15 years ago shady sands exploded
>show is 2296
>new vegas happens 2281-2282(ending, battle for hover dam)
I dunno what todd is smoking
this, morons keep focusing on the fall of shady sands as something, that is not even relevant to the moronation of the show timeline
He says in the article that Shady Sands got nuked shortly after New Vegas, the "fall" written in the chalkboard was a seperate event.
I love how everyone completely ignore this, not even emil can explain that
>2296-15= 2281
So what Todd said? Shady Sands got nuked shortly after New Vegas.
new veggas start in october of 2281, and ends in 2282 with the battle for hover dam, moronic shill
Maximus can't count, perfectly in character.
we have a flashback of the scene every single episode showing a kid, he knows his age and knows exactly when it happened, same for the people in vault 4. The mental gymnastics you shills have to do is funny as shit
What about for players who speedrunned through the whole thing? Like I organized all the factions under Yes Man in four nights.
battle for hover dam still happens in 2282 canonically as said in the ending
NMAtroons really are the saddest people on the planet. You can practically see them hyperventilating in pure rage as they desperately try to appear smug in their posts
>projection
Is it though?
Considering that none of the shit in the show actually coincides with what he said it is backpedaling. Like I said projection.
And? why wouldn't they be upset at seeing their favorite game series constantly get shat on?
Fallout New Vegas is the only good Fallout game and it is my favorite game of the Xbox 360 era so it hurts me seeing /misc/tards and redditors demonize "New Vegas fans"
It isn’t /misc/tards it’s bethesdrones.
Have you tried, idk, playing another Fallout game. Maybe New Vegas fans wouldn't be demonized if they played any other Fallout.
New Vegas fans ARE /misc/tards. That’s the problem.
NMA literally celebrated donald trumps victory in 2016
NMAtroons are truly on the Wrong Side of History (Herstory) and will be annihilated by Capital Police during the 2024 elections
Todd did nothing wrong, it's the suits that pull the strings. He fights tooth and nail for you homosexuals to try and not turn this shit into total slop.
We can only hope they actually take criticism and not total frick everything to get people to hate watch this shit.
I played all of FO3 GOTY before NV came out. It's unplayable now. Classic FO is effectively unplayable due to the fundamentally bad gameplay.
>pete hines is gone
>maybe fallout lore will get back on its tracks
>show come out
that is some insane monkey paw
Hollyjews are far worse than old Pete.
Emil Pagliarulo still draws breath
>people arguing if NV is canon or not or what is mean by fall
>meanwhile everyone who chose the NCR ending got completely butt fricked by todd because it meant nothing
Todd hates big ideas about society and development. Everyone should just live in the ruins of old dilapidated setpieces and never advance beyond towns
They did the same thing with F4 and it's endings. Basically only the Minutemen or BoS endings are canon.
should i buy fallout 4?