>Top 2 grossing games of the year are $60 singleplayer games with no microtransactions
>only 1 live service slop game even managed to crack the top 10
is gaming healing?
>Top 2 grossing games of the year are $60 singleplayer games with no microtransactions
No
>Lethal Company
Imagine being in your early 20s and already having over 50 million
Imagine competing with AAA as a single indie dev
Stop being a grandpa and just enjoy games that you like.
Normally they come from pretty well off families anyway. I've never seen a successful indie dev who came from the working class or below. Not saying 50mil isn't a lot, just the aspect of being financially secure for the rest of your life doesn't hit as hard to someone who has never struggled in their life to begin with.
A lot of assumptions in this post. From what we know the kid was a popular Roblox modder who worked on shit after school and is probably in college now doing the same for lethal company. It’s statistically more likely he comes from some middle/working class family and enjoys fricking around in game engines. It’s not like it takes a startup cost of a few hundred thousand to open an indie game with a studio anymore. The landscape has changed drastically from just a few years ago.
steam is taking away 30% of that, the taxes are also taking a considerable amount depending on the state
probably anywhere from 25-30 mil, not that it matters much
my mistake, steam would take 20% for a game earning that much
Fricking hate taxes, especially property tax; that shit shouldn't be legal.
did your other thread archive before bump limit eric?
is this Barry's new schizo obsession?
you mean eric reposting unverifiable r/gaming posts?
oh it's troony reddit drama. just kys then.
The one about the archived thread is just a disgrunted leftist.
Why is it that well crafted, singleplayer games like Elden Ring, Hogwarts and Balders Gate come out and get amazing reviews, huge followings and make a tonne of money and yet developers keep preferring to churn out live service goyslop that everybody hates?
Skill issue, diversity hires only know how to make battleroyals.
>well crafted
???
It's just that corporations are hard to reason with and even harder to make change course unless you can see them huge shifts in revenue in the short term. I will say that Hogwarts being so no-bullshit is surprising from WB, especially given how Suicide Squad is the logical conclusion of "We Want The Destiny Audience" design.
Because of Genshin and Fortnite, they all want to be the next big GAAS without understanding why people like those games.
this. you can't win if you don't play. Just look at those mobile gacha numbers. just fricking look at them. These shitty companies are not ever going to stop trying to make the next fortnite. It's brought in tens of billions of dollars for epic. It's massive. They want stable income. Video games are not stable income, it's always a high risk investment and that means investors or banks charge them higher % for loans/money. if every game company could have a fortnite, they probably would be a lot more lenient in choosing what to develop because risk would be mitigated somewhat.
Hogwarts wasn't exactly a great game, but I was happy to see it sell so well just to serve as a middle finger to trannies
Because it requires more effort, plus all the suits think to themself
>DUDE WHAT IF WE CREATE ANOTHER FORTNITE AND I EARN GAZZILION BUCKS LOL
the games as a service games make more money. fortnight makes billions per year. destany 1 made more money than BG3 and that was in 2014 money
it doesn't have any of these things
BG3 doesn't have microtransactions you troony. Its a $10 for the sound track and artbook with a few cosmetic items. you literally don't lose any content not buying it.
see
you make way more money on games as service gayshit than single player games.
honestly if you look at the games on the list
>bg3 mainly made money off of the fact there are not really many single player games competing in that sphere
>harry potter sales were based off the IP and hating trannies
>starfield is based off false advertising
>RE4 is IP
>AC6 is based on it being from software
>fifa is IP
>star wars is IP
Corporations aren't run by humans, they're run by machines. How can they please other humans if they aren't even capable of understanding human wants?
*hits blunt* whoaa dude, that's like... pretty deep.. heh.
Because theres millions of people out there who keep playing and paying for them like the addicted morons they are.
Game A - well crafted single player high quality:
>massive 100+ million budget
>3+ years minimum development time
>if it really is good you make 3-5x that on box cost alone
Game B - shitty rushed mtx ridden slop
>nonexistent 10m or less budget
>1 year development time, absolute max of 2 years (game need not be finished so who cares)
>if it flops you lose little to nothing and might have even broke even just off fotm bored zoomers that want to play something new
>and if it flops who cares you've got 3 more in the works
>if its even kind of good, bored gamers will make it print 10x the investment
>if it catches on like fire you make 1000x the investment for no time and effort and can milk it for years to print even more money
They're quite literally just fishing. Tons of low-risk, high reward attempts that one might eventually hit the jackpot.
They're all chasing after the Fortnite money, which isn't on Steam but still makes way more revenue alone compared to any of those games in the OP combined.
From their uncreative, money grubbing perspective it’s like asking if you’d rather have an apple or an apple tree. Elden ring blew the doors off but it’ll make another big sale when the DLC drops then that’s it. You only have to make it once with a live service product to be set forever, or at least that’s the theory.
risk/reward
>way easier to make
>way faster to make
>way cheaper to make
>way easier to market
low risk / high reward
Most developers just wanna make a quick buck out the industry.
I'm impressed by the amount of proper single player games in this (even if not all of them are good), but the issue is that microtransactions are highly profitable compared to the games they're for even if they don't make huge money on their own, and mobile games are the main place mtx revenue is massive (I'd also assume on consoles it's higher than on Steam as well).
>no microtransactions
but that's false, BG3 has a season pass and purchasable dice colours and shit.
>BG3 has a season pass
Anon, why would you say this when people can just open the Steam page for it and see you are lying?
oh my bad, it's a "Digital Deluxe Edition" which is actually way worse.
A 'Digital Deluxe Edition' that has the soundtrack, character sheets, art book and DOS:2 inspired cosmetics and bard songs. Complete non-issue.
and in-game dlc. why did you omit that? funny how every single BG3 fan will purposefully hide or distort the truth when trying to shill the game.
Anon, that's what I meant by DOS:2 inspired cosmetics. If you actually looked at them, you would realize that they are designed after the main characters from Divinity 2 except for Ifan.
>i-i-i-i-it's just cosmetics
so............. the game has mtx. so why did you lie about that?
>Stutter posting and ellipses
Frick off moron, you're Anonymous so you don't have to try and save face.
they're useless cosmetics
Got it for free with my pre-order that I did two years ago
>pre-order
thanks for the concession
a single hat coming with the soundtrack and artbook isn't a microtransaction you stupid fricking seaBlack person
They only know how to lie
D&D fans are the shittiest form of "men", even harry potter and magic fans are above those pitiful people
almost every big single player game has that
what the frick are you even crying about
starfield and zelda dlc losing it seems
>single out BG3 for doing something special (being a successful singleplayer game without mtx)
>turns out it does have mtx
>"so what? everything has mtx"
this is why nobody likes your troony game, because you homosexuals can't go for a full minute without lying through your teeth.
nta but pre-order bonus isn't a microtransaction
Case in point. Either you're too moronic to read and understand that I was talking about the 'Digital Deluxe Edition' purchasable upgrade, or you're pretending to be moronic in order to YET AGAIN lie about the game.
I genuinely hope you're getting paid for this.
>create a thread where you blatantly lie
>get called out on your obvious lie
>REEEEEEEE WHY ARE YOU SHITPOSTING
You can't be this moronic. Claiming a DDE is a microtransaction is like saying cars have microtransactions because you can buy the manual or automatic transmission model.
>sell in-game items for real money
>REEEEEEE MICROTRANSACTIONS
>sell in-game items for real money but call it a Digital(TM) Deluxe(TM) Edition(TM)
>n-n-n-no that doesn't count BG3 broke new ground by not having mtx and I think this literally has not occurred in decades because I only play AAA goyslop
Anon, buying a game gets you in game items for real money, because the items are in the game you bought.
You'll have to try harder.
>um well actually uh when you think about it ALL games have mtx because uh well you see you're spending money for things that are virtual
MICRO
TRANSACTIONS
What do you think the MICRO part means, you sub-60 iq ape?
It means that part of the game is cut out and sold for a smaller price.
Which is literally what BG3 does no matter what sanitized politically correct corpo nu-speak language you use to hide it.
God damn I don't think I've ever met someone who is simultaneously a filthy liar and mentally moronic.
>REEE MICRO! MICRO!
>digital deluxe is more expensive
What's micro about that you nignog?
Microtransactions (mtx) are a business model where users can purchase in-game virtual goods with micropayments. Microtransactions are often used in free-to-play games to provide a revenue source for the developers. While microtransactions are a staple of the mobile app market, they are also seen on PC software such as Valve's Steam digital distribution platform, as well as console gaming.[1][2]
Free-to-play games that include a microtransaction model are sometimes referred to as "freemium". Another term, "pay-to-win", is sometimes used pejoratively to refer to games where buying items in-game can give a player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained through free means.[3] The objective with a free-to-play microtransaction model is to involve more players in the game by providing desirable items or features that players can purchase if they lack the skill or available time to earn these through regular game play. Also, presumably the game developer's marketing strategy is that in the long term, the revenue from a micro transaction system will outweigh the revenue from a one-time-purchase game.
Loot boxes are another form of microtransactions. Through purchasing a loot box, the player acquires a seemingly random assortment of items. Loot boxes result in high revenues because instead of a one-time purchase for the desired item, users may have to buy multiple boxes. This method has also been called a form of underage gambling.
Black person is all dlc a micro transaction to you? witcher 3 had micro transactions?
is dlc a microtransaction?
>this thread
Why is it that every person against BG3 is actually a mentally ill schizo who specifically tries to lie and gaslight people into believing their own made up definitions of established concepts and words?
First with the tencent schizo not I knowing how company stakes work and how tencents 30% literally cannot effect Larian in any meaningful way
Second with this moron currently trying to redefine MTX because he's petty enough to try to label BG3 as a microtransaction game
>all deluxe editions or any edition that offers any kind of exclusive in-game item is an mtx game
yup
That's LITERALLY not what that means.
that's literally what he said
>"this company gave us millions and millions of dollars but don't worry that hasn't affected my judgement in any way whatsoever" ~ an explanation of how companies work as understood by a BG3 fan
>trying to redefine MTX
Post your own definition of MTX then.
Tencents type of stake of Larian is
>1. A minority stake in a private company
>2. Is below Swen's stake when Swen is the CEO and has majority stakes
>3. A type of stake in which tencents shareholders give up any voting power within Larian as a company
Its been explained MULTIPLE times across the months but it gets dismissed because it blows the shitposter the frick out meaning he wasted several months of his life spamming and being WRONG over something this insignificant.
you really need to try harder when shitposting
you're way too obvious man
give him a break man
DLC small expansion aren't microtransactions, all game have a deluxe edition to get the game + DLC bundled.
But yeah games like Starfield and RE4 have microtransactions, all Capcom games do, you can even pay to unlock everything. The argument here should be against live-service slop, these games were complete on release
>DLC small expansion aren't microtransactions
A fact that is entirely irrelevant since we are talking about COSMETIC DLC, not a fricking expansion attack you dishonest Black person.
>The argument here should be against live-service slop
Careful, you'll hurt yourself trying to move those heavy goalposts. The OP states NO MICROTRANSACTIONS in BG3.
>w-w-well at least it's not a live service game
have a nice day you lying little c**t.
>digital deluxe is more expensive
What the frick is this supposed to mean? Seriously, I want to know. What distortion of malnourished brain cells occurred for you to type that out? What the frick are you trying to say? It doesn't count as microtransactions because........ the combined price of the game + the digital deluxe upgrade is higher than the cost of the game alone? Are you surprised that when you add two numbers together you get a higher number? Go call for your tard wrangler so they can put you back on your leash.
>BG3 doesn't have microtransactions
>Its a $10 for a few cosmetic items
I accept your concession.
>purchase in-game virtual goods with micropayments
So literally BG3. Thanks for supporting my argument.
>is all dlc a micro transaction
No.
>witcher 3
Had two expansion packs and free dlc. No mtx. Your point?
you are moronic you fricking dickless seaBlack person. $10 for the soundtrack and artbook isn't a fricking microtransaction and most games do this. for it to be a microtransaction it would need to be something in game you spend money on more than one time. buying the fricking artbook and soundtrack isn't a microtransaction. you are brown
the purpose of a microtransaction is to create a long term system that encourages multiple transactions instead of any one time payment, also an artbook, soundtrack and a cape isn't a microtransaction
>>is all dlc a micro transaction
>No.
so any game that gives you a cosmetic or a soundtrack depending on a specific edition or a preorder bonus is a game with microtransactions?
so a game with a deluxe edition or collectors edition is a game with a micro-transaction
>BG3 has a season pass
why lie?
Which discord is spamming this fake pic?
eric
we're talking about video games though?
Genshin is a privately owned company called mihoyo and they self-publish their own game. They have no shareholders breathing down their necks and and all that stuff. They own two of the highest grossing games Genshin and Honkai Star Rail.
Tencent actually tried and failed to buy mihoyo and CCP didn't like losing and they have been trying to harass mihoyo ever since then that was 3 years ago.
Genshin isn't Tencent? Damn that's news to me
I really don't get this shit. Genshin impact is just a dumbed down botw clone with an infinite slop endgame tacked on, the rest are the same but with final fantasy. How are people spending millions on this shit
Wait until you see FGO gameplay.
Say all the hate you want, but there is a reason why the game is still so popular even after 3 years. The developer of Genshin is a privately owned company, and they have no shareholders breathing down their necks, hence why they are one of the top live-service game developers who are so aggressive with releasing content for the game. Genshin is a single-player game, and unlike other battle royale games, it can only live through its story content. The developers have been releasing consistent updates for 3 years now, and they are fully voiced in 4 different languages.
Hate all you want, but they are doing the live service the correct way, unlike other western developers.
Support brown dust 2
You bakas !!!
That's a legit game pretending to be a gacha game
braaaap
>Barry
>Eric
>Timmy
How many other boogeyman will this board have?
Armored core did better than fifa? i refuse to believe
"people" play fifa on console
FIFA primarily a console thing. The weird thing is Jedi Survivor being so high on Steam because it's also primarily a console thing and most people played it through gamepass.
it's not too weird imo
people still give star wars vidya a chance because the games never got as bad as the movies, and the first nujedi game was fairly good
we dont know
>FIFA 23
>Remove it from shop but display it
>They have no shareholders breathing down their necks and and all that stuff.
They have Xi breathing down their necks and crazed fans who have stabbed Da Wei before.
No fricking way AC6 made $90 Mil just on Steam with 2.8 million copies by the end of October, especially a series so fricking drawn out and mediocre.
>AC4
Man, you are pretty old.
Anon, 2.8 million copies at $60 is $170 million.
Considering Steam's huge Asian playerbase, I could easily see AC6 making almost $90 million on Steam alone.
Maybe it's just that good to warrant those sales
Do live service games even make a habit of making their earnings public?
steam reports the rankings, but this of course doesn't include people playing on console or other launchers so valorant, overwatch, fortnite, LoL are out of the equation. The only surprising omissions are counterstrike and apex
Steam is skewing this discussion. What happens if you include numbers for consoles? Mobile gaming? Guaranteed the f2p and gacha titles are crushing.
>mobile
>f2p
>gacha
anon this thread is about video games, what do those things have to do with video games? why not include slot machine revenue while you're at it?
Steam isn't skewing anything, this isn't official data.
>Starfield 3rd highest grossing game
Bethesda won.
That's only from the launch. It won't have long legs like Skyrim so in reality, since Bethesda is a publicly traded company, they are actually losing.
>Bethesda won.
a bronze medal
Gaming is being botted and shilled by tencent. $650M of that is a donation from Tencent to Gabe
This is why I respect Genshin because the developers refused to be bought by Tencent; the CCP didn't like losing, so they have been harassing the developers for 3 years now.
Larian Studios, Epic Games and even Reddit will be owned by Tencent in the future.
Hi Barry
>some guy responds to the wrong thread
>BG3 shills continue to scream about it several months later
>some guy
>>some guy
Yes?
Oh wait, this is where you tell me it's actually um Todd Howard? Or Aonuma? Which boogeyman are we angry at again?
Oh, okay. So what you're saying is:
>"this company gave us millions and millions of dollars but don't worry that hasn't affected my judgement in any way whatsoever"
Thanks for clearing that up.
>Oh wait, this is where you tell me it's actually um Todd Howard? Or Aonuma? Which boogeyman are we angry at again?
the same guy who made the frickup and feels the need to defend himself any time it's posted by someone
>the same guy who made the frickup
No, but even if I was, do you think that makes you look less pathetic? If I posted to the wrong thread, that's a fault of being momentarily distracted, or letting the mouse slip. Whereas you've posted that screencap in every BG3 thread I've seen. That's a fault of you fixating on a minor, silly mistake that happened months ago, rather than focusing on making arguments or even discussing the game. That's months of an unhealthy fixation. So why am I supposed to wince at the accusation of taking a minor embarrassment when you continue to add on to your massive one?
>That's months of an unhealthy fixation.
You tipped your hand Anon. The Tencent moron wouldn't say this, but I did find it funny.
>If I posted to the wrong thread, that's a fault of being momentarily distracted, or letting the mouse slip
oh cmon you posted that (or maybe not you) because you mistook witcher 3 for bg3, not a fricking misclick get real
>Whereas you've posted that screencap in every BG3 thread I've seen
i've maybe posted that 3 times in my life, deleted it when cleaning my folders and found it again to day and posted it, meanwhile the tencent guy (probably You) does this in every thread even a little bit relevant to bg3
>oh cmon you posted that (or maybe not you) because you mistook witcher 3 for bg3
OK, doesn't change anything I've said.
>i've maybe posted that 3 times
OK buddy
>rather than focusing on making arguments
Funny because when people rebuke you, or "him", they outright ignore the truth for thwir own lies despite evidence shown towards them and lack of evidence and support shown on the other.
So it makes sense people would just make fun of them when they dont care about the actual truth and just continue to spam moronic disinfo.
Are you merely pretending to be stupid or do you genuinely not understand how a stock company works?
So that is your opinion? I could give millions of dollars as a no-strings-attached gift to Larian and none of them would change anything about their next game because of me?
You're correct, I have literally no idea how a stock company works. I just know how human beings work, and I know you're not going to tell me that if I gave Larian a hundred million dollars as a "no-strings-attached gift" and then called the CEO on the phone and mention how much I want a smug dwarf tomboy romance in their next game, that they wouldn't be swayed at all in their creative process? That's your opinion?
>You're correct, I have literally no idea how a stock company works.
Stopped reading here
So then why THE FRICK are you still talking? You have literally no right to comment or give out any opinion when youre like a child just imagining up shit about how the world works.
>Stopped reading here
So you read my first question then, do you have an answer?
Was looking for this again today thank you. You’ve lost the plot skeletons gotta be my favorite response.
Post the real top sellers list
>The list measures "Full Game Sales" only, excluding in-game spending
meanwhile in reality
I was wondering what was up with homosexual OP's chart. CS2 makes 100 mil a month on euroBlack folk paying for gun skins and lootboxes and it's not even on there kek
pubg is still happening?
i thought it completely lost its audience after fortnite came out
How did AC4 make nearly $90 mil if it at most sold 4 million copies by the end of 2023?
That doesn't make any sense. It made maybe $30 mil at most.
Nice bullshit chart lol
https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/mustafa-mahmoud/armored-core-vi-surpasses-2-8-million-copies-sold/
>andrew and troony homosexual is a huge moron
more on this breaking story at six
because eric ripped this picture off of reddit and it has no sources
It would only need to sell ~1.8m copies at full price, with the 30% steam cut to make $87M in revenue
Armored Core is an extremely low budget series. The fact that it could run on last gen consoles means that realism wasn't a big issue for them.
I thought BG3 only sold 5 million according to Ganker?
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/BestOf2023
>steam release their own top sellers list
>Black folk on the internet still use a third party site calculating reddit engagment
But you guys said starfield sucks?
with it's budget and review scores and profit it's hard to say it doesn't phil
Sales doesn't equal quality
The way this board likes to celebrate games doing well/poorly in terms of sales makes your claim sound false.
6 I know are woke shit.
3 Im unsure.
1 I can say is a decent game.
Gaming remains fricked.
>"is gaming healing?"
>bethesdaslop
>demake
>SEACOW garbage
>footie
>12fps licensed shit
>fotm assetflip
>2fps on 4090
yeah, gayming has healed
>revenue
wow its nothing
2023 list of shit games I never thought about even a little bit
romanceslop, hogslop, Toddslop
this list has nothing to do with good games.
Black person Gates
troony Legacy
slopfield
Remaster of a fricking 20 year old game
Some literally who indie shit
Fifa
Are this the superior PC gamers I keep hearing about? That's some low iq Black person taste right there
>210k on a weekday
what in tarnation?
bunch of underage and basement dwellers spending mommy's money via goodboi points exchange.
Street Fighter 2 tournament edition is my favorite microtransaction.
because the list is not true
isn't the whole point of micro-transactions and lootboxes and other israelitery is that it's all bought in game like in a store after the purchase of the game?
Yeah but that one moron's argument is pretty much "It's all microtransactions except for the ones I say otherwise".
then why do you homosexuals engage him? i'm pretty confident this is the tencent guy, you ain't beating him
>Evolve wasn't long-term, does that mean that game didn't have microtransactions?
you mean the game that was pretty feature barren, multiplayer only designed around its stores where you pay 15 bucks for skins or you have to just grind for days? are you comparing that to a preorder bonus?
>are you comparing that to a preorder bonus?
No, I'm comparing it to your moronic assertion that microtransactions need to be successful long-term in order to be considered REAL microtransactions.
>so any game that sells you a cosmetic
Yes.
>or a soundtrack
No.
>or a preorder bonus
Technically no, although I think we can all agree that preorder bonuses are just as bad.
>so if the deluxe edition didn't come with the hat and cape it wouldn't be a microtransaction?
If the purchase isn't for in-game items, it's not a microtransaction. Which should be obvious.
Not an argument.
>expansion
Not a microtransaction.
This isn't hard guys, someone literally posted the definition of microtransaction in the thread. But I suppose pretending to be moronic and making strawmen is the only way you know how to shill.
>I think we can all agree that preorder bonuses are just as bad.
as bad as what? shit like ingame stores like the shitty assassins games or shit like league and valorant, hell no we don't agree you fricking mong
>a few preorder bonuses per game aren't as bad as literal hundreds of possible mtx per game
>therefore you can't say a preorder bonus is as bad as an mtx
Jesus, is twisting words all you pathetic shills can do?
>This isn't hard guys, someone literally posted the definition of microtransaction in the thread.
yeah and you read only one sentence of it while ignoring everything else that goes against your ass backwards viewpoint
>and you read only one sentence of it while ignoring everything else
Oh, ok, let's go back and check...
>Microtransactions are a business model...
Yep, fits BG3...
>Microtransactions (mtx) are often used in free-to-play games...
Often, not always.
>also seen on PC software... as well as console gaming
So far so good.
>Free-to-play games...
Not relevant.
>Another term, "pay-to-win", is sometimes used pejoratively
Not relevant.
>The objective with a free-to-play microtransaction model...
Still not relevant.
>Also, presumably the game developer's marketing strategy...
Still not relevant, definition doesn't require any specific marketing strategy.
>Loot boxes are another form...
This entire paragraph is also not relevant.
So what's your point? What part of that post contradicts BG3 having mtx?
crazy how the definition acknowledges and list various examples of mtx but not a single time does it mention a pre-order bonus as an example
>not a single time does it mention a pre-order bonus
Literally what does that have to do with the discussion, schizo? Can you read? Because I haven't talked about pre-order bonuses for BG3. I even said that I don't consider pre-order bonuses to be mtx. So who are you arguing against?
according to you pre-order bonuses are mtx
>If the purchase isn't for in-game items, it's not a microtransaction.
you do know identical items exist in the game right? most of what you get in game from the bonus can be acquired without having to pay, it's literally just the cape from divinity 2, but somehow you equate this to mtx
>you do know identical items exist in the game
So? Loads of mtx are for items that can be acquired without paying. Are you saying those don't count as mtx? Overwatch doesn't count as having mtx, that's your argument?
You homosexuals keep trying to shift the goalposts or invent new definitions for mtx that literally nobody has ever used. Why? Who do you think is dumb enough to fall for your moronation? Why are you bothering with this horseshit?
>Loads of mtx are for items that can be acquired without paying
see
>And exclusive in-game items.
>No, that SELLS it to you.
>every game has micro-transactions
Point to where I said that. When you fail to find it, apologize, and frick off.
Wrong:
Apologize and frick off.
>any game that sells you an in-game item/cosmetic is a mtx
That's not an apology.
>>And exclusive in-game items.
I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, Black person, but did you, Black person, even try to actually read that post? Because, Black person, you will notice that line is a response in a conversation, Black person, where a lying Black person lied about the contents of the digital deluxe upgrade. Specifically, Black person, failing to mention that the purchase includes in-game items, Black person. And nowhere, Black person, are pre-order bonuses mentioned.
So explain to me, Black person, why you thought quoting that helps your case.
>you literally made it a point that the selling of ingame exclusive items is what makes something a mtx
Which doesn't apply to pre-order bonuses, since they are not selling you in-game items for money, they are giving you in-game items for no extra charge as a reward for purchasing early.
Thanks for the concession.
>Which doesn't apply to pre-order bonuses, since they are not selling you in-game items for money, they are giving you in-game items for no extra charge as a reward for purchasing early.
oh so we agree, bg3 has no mtx, just a pre order bonus and a deluxe edition
>if I call it a deluxe edition it magically stops being mtx
This again? Did I break your script? Anyway, you can review my response here if you want:
Still waiting on that apology btw.
so deluxe editions and pre orders are mtx then
Still waiting on that apology.
can you even name a pre-order bonus/special edition that doesn't come with exclusive in game items/cosmetics/etc.
lol you can get your apology but it's locked behind a mtx, lucky for you instead of paying you can bypass it by not being a b***h and answering the question instead of dodging it
Black person man do you or do you not agree that your definition of a mtx is the selling of an exclusive ingame item like a cosmetic, yes or no?
That's not an answer. Why did you misquote from a conversation about the contents of the upgrade pack in a response regarding whether pre-order bonuses are mtx?
just answer the question
I did answer the question and you can scroll up to find the answer if you really care. Now answer my question.
Dunno, and don't care. That's completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.
Keep on embarrassing yourself if you want, but the only real choice you have at this point is to salvage what little remains of your dignity by admitting you were wrong.
ok if you have no problem with what you said and don't wish to change anything then lets go by what you said, you said that what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics, then you do believe that preorders/bundles/and editions all fall under your definition of an mtx, so basically any game that has and offers any kind pre-order/bundle/exclusive deal/or edition like a collectors edition or special or deluxe or etc is a game with mtx, so basically all fricking games have mtx
>you said that what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics
Yes.
>then you do believe that preorders/bundles/and editions all fall under your definition of an mtx
No.
>so basically any game that has and offers any kind pre-order/bundle/exclusive deal/or edition like a collectors edition or special or deluxe or etc is a game with mtx
No.
>so basically all fricking games have mtx
No.
This isn't hard. It's really not. All you actually have to do is stop being a lying Black person and just use the same definition of "mtx" that every single person under the planet uses.
See:
See:
>
show me where it says you are paying 10 bucks for a die color (You)
>See:
>“The Digital Deluxe Edition includes both practical and cosmetic in-game items, such as a unique custom dice skin and the Mask of the Shapeshifter from Divinity: Original Sin 2. As well as the Original Game Soundtrack for Baldur's Gate 3, digital Artbook and printable pre-made Origin character sheets”
Yes, and?
you aren't just spending 10 dollars like on a die color like it's fricking mtx valorant skin, you are getting various things in a edition when you buy your preferred version of the game
If I want the die skin, how much do I have to pay to get it?
show me where it says you are paying 10 bucks for a die color?
Does it say that? I don't know. You tell me. If it's not ten dollars, then how much does it cost?
for the die? i don't know i don't think theres an option to just buy die skins and cosmetics like lots of other games do with their stores, but lucky for you can get still get the die and various other things for a one time purchase when you buy a specific edition
>>then you do believe that preorders/bundles/and editions all fall under your definition of an mtx
>No.
why not?
>so basically any game that has and offers any kind pre-order/bundle/exclusive deal/or edition like a collectors edition or special or deluxe or etc is a game with mtx
>No.
why not?
>why not?
Because pre-orders don't charge you extra for in-game items. They are thrown in with your single purchase of the game for free. There can't be a microtransaction if there isn't... a transaction.
>Point to where I said that.
you literally made it a point that the selling of ingame exclusive items is what makes something a mtx, so name a pre-order bonus that doesn't include any kind of ingame, feature, cosmetic, or item
If you pay 10 dollars for a die skin in BG3 isn't that an MTX?
answer my question first, you said that what makes a mtx is the purchasing of ingame exclusive items and cosmetics, but now you are saying that pre order bonuses are not mtx so answer my previous question
I'm not the same person, if you pay 10 dollars and get a die skin and items in the game isn't that an MTX?
depends, are you buying this as part of an edition of a game you don't own yet which comes with more than just that or is this an in game item you can purchase in a store using real money or in-game purchasable currency despite already paying for the game.
you can buy the die skin separately for 10 dollars so I guess that's an MTX
>>so any game that gives you
>No, that SELLS it to you.
so any game that sells you a cosmetic or a soundtrack depending on a specific edition or a preorder bonus is a game with microtransactions?
>Why are you neglecting to mention that?
so if the deluxe edition didn't come with the hat and cape it wouldn't be a microtransaction?
Naw he's still moronic. This'd mean that, as an example, Brood War is a microtransaction because you can't use those units if you don't have the expansion.
I think you are dumbest person I could ever imagine existing
>steam
>all of gaming
Your aware all of these are trash and just goyslop
we like to have fun here
Wow a lot of people really bought Hogwarts just because they're tired of troony shit
does Hogwarts have porn mods yet?
>pay 20% of the game's price for a die skin
>but it's not an mtx
show me where there is an offer available for purchase where you are spending 10 dollars on a die color
digital deluxe edition is literally just a die color for 10 dollars
>is literally just a die color for 10 dollars
i guess when you buy a car you can say you spent thousands of dollars for a fricking radio too huh
yes it's literally a die color aimed at getting simps to "support" them, so technically the game has mtx
>soundtrack
>artbook
i could be wrong but it seems like you aren't paying 10 bucks for a die color, i could be wrong but it sorta looks like you are getting ???more?? than just a die color for 10 bucks, damn thats crazy
If I want that die colour what our my options for getting it legally? How much does it cost?
lucky for you theres no shitty in game store where you have to spend 10 dollars on die skins, the die skin is part of an edition of the game that comes with lots of other shit
Sorry, that's an unclear answer. Let's try again. If I want to get the die skin, how much will it cost me?
you cannot buy the die skin, what you can do is buy the edition that happens to come with the die skin and various items, i'm sorry are you unaware of how editions/bundles and etc to a game works?
So if I want the die skin, how much money do I have to spend to legally own it?
same as you would for the artbook, the hat, the cape, and the soundtrack and other items included, i'm sorry this isn't wow or league, i know you really want to find that larian being slimy selling mtx die skins for ten bucks a pop but sadly it just doesn't exist
>same as you would for the artbook, the hat, the cape, and the soundtrack and other items include
OK and how much is that?
i don't know but definitely not what this anon said
but i do believe the die might be included in the deluxe edition, i think someone posted a picture of the offer earlier but i believe the die was just 3 words in midst of multiple things you get, so not exactly accurate to say you are spending money on a die skin really, was it 30 bucks? 5? 20? youll have to find the post
>i don't know
I do, it's ten dollars.
ok cool so you get a bunch of things including a die skin, wow for 10 bucks, not a terrible deal
>not a terrible deal
It is if you were looking for a game without mtx.
so a deluxe edition is a microtransaction? would you prefer larian to sell the dice skin by itself as a singular 10 dollar purchase on some store?
>so a deluxe edition is a microtransaction?
Don't know, don't care. I have no interest in the definition of "deluxe edition".
>would you prefer larian to sell the dice skin by itself as a singular 10 dollar purchase on some store?
No, why would I? And why are you pretending that those are the only two options?
im just asking, should games be able to offer deluxe editions and bundles to fans who want to support the devs and future projects with extra cash? should people not expect some shows of appreciation from the devs like an in game cosmetic or a fricking artbook?
>I have no interest in the definition of "deluxe edition"
but you already did, you already conceded that deluxe editions are mtx to you right here
>hould games be able to offer deluxe editions and bundles to fans who want to support the devs and future projects with extra cash?
Yeah, sure. FYI I also think devs should be allowed to create p2w games filled with mtx. Have at it as far as I'm concerned. I just don't like it when shills blatantly lie about a game in order to promote it.
>you already conceded that deluxe editions are mtx
See:
>See:
>"SO ALL BOXES ARE FULL OF APPLES?"
name a game where the editions you pay extra for don't come with any exclusive ingame items, because im pretty sure they generally do, cant say the same about apples and random boxes though
>name a game where the editions
No. Already said I don't care about various bullshit editions of games.
>im pretty sure they generally do
OK.
Mindbroken.
No because I can buy a radio without buying a car.
Show me where you can legally own that die skin without paying 10 dollars for it.
>Show me where you can legally own that die skin without paying 10 dollars for it.
show me where it says you are paying 10 bucks for a die color
I heard someone saying "buy".
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2378500/Baldurs_Gate_3__Digital_Deluxe_Edition_DLC/
nice try moron see
>grossing
no, because gross doesn't mean shit and mobile gaming is still raking in money hand over fist.
If you consider extra up-front cost for digital content equivalent to the first in-game purchase of a F2P, I guess you could categorize BG3 as having one micro-transaction. IMO this stretches the definition
I definitely think that there is a qualitative difference between nickel-and-dime effectively recurring expenses/pay-to-win vs up-front-cost that doesn't recur.
>I definitely think that there is a qualitative difference between nickel-and-dime effectively recurring expenses/pay-to-win vs up-front-cost that doesn't recur.
ofc there is but this moron wants to equate it, so by his logic any game that offers any kind of edition other than the base game is a MTX, a pathetic stretch
>but this moron wants to equate it
False, never have I claimed that BG3 is just as bad as a P2W game or anything like that. OP didn't say "BG3 doesn't have mtx as bad as live service games". OP claimed it has none at all, and my one and only point has only ever been that the OP was factually wrong in saying that BG3 has no mtx.
>OP was factually wrong in saying that BG3 has no mtx.
so you are saying that by having a collectors and deluxe edition it has mtxs?
I'm saying it has mtx. You can call it a collector's edition, a deluxe upgrade, whatever the frick PR label you want. It's still mtx.
>I'm saying it has mtx. You can call it a collector's edition, a deluxe upgrade, whatever the frick PR label you want. It's still mtx.
so all games with different editions are games with mtx?
>this box has an apple in it
>"SO ALL BOXES ARE FULL OF APPLES?"
can you name a special edition, collectors edition that doesn't come with any kind of ingame item/cosmetic?
Don't know, don't care.
exactly, ggs
Absolutely, you can be the expert on special/deluxe/collector's/whatever editions. Have at it. I've already shown BG3 has mtx so you can go nuts about whatever you're trying to say about the various editions.
im not saying anything, your example of BG3's mtx is it's offer of a deluxe edition, so according to you thats an mtx, and since every deluxe edition/or whatever edition for a game inevitably comes with ingame items, you are pretty much admitting you think all games that offer editions are games with MTX, i9t's simple
>your example of BG3's mtx is it's offer of a deluxe edition
OK.
>so according to you thats an mtx,
An mtx is an mtx. An mtx can be called a deluxe edition just as it can be called a Black personhomosexual. I don't care. I'm discussing mtx.
>since every deluxe edition/or whatever edition for a game inevitably comes with ingame items
I don't care if that's true or not.
>you think all games that offer editions are games with MTX
Nope. See:
You are making the assertion that every deluxe edition contains mtx, not me. I don't really pay attention to that shit so I have no idea how true or false that is and I don't care nearly enough to look it up.
This "argument" from you is just a long-winded way of trying to bring back the "mtx isn't mtx if we call it by a different name like deluxe edition" which is completely horseshit and not one I'm going to entertain as legitimate in any way. Microtransactions are microtransactions.
>You are making the assertion that every deluxe edition contains mtx, not me
no i'm not, you are, your definition is what is making that assertion
>your definition is what is making that assertion
Nope, my definition does not include anything about different editions.
Do I have to explain about the apples and the boxes again?
>Nope, my definition does not include anything about different editions.
your definition is literally
>>you said that what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics
>Yes.
this is you ^
>Do I have to explain about the apples and the boxes again?
pretty sure boxes can carry a more unpredictable variety of things, like apples, condoms, the bubonic plague and etc, where it's a safer bet to guess that a deluxe edition of a game or product is probably gonna give you exclusive items in said game
>what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics
No mention of deluxe editions or anything like that. Thanks for proving me right so succinctly.
>pretty sure boxes can carry a more unpredictable variety of things
Thank you.
>it's a safer bet to guess that a deluxe edition of a game or product is probably gonna give you exclusive items in said game
If you say so.
>No mention of deluxe editions or anything like that. Thanks for proving me right so succinctly.
what if i told you that the main draw of buying a different edition other than the base game edition if for things like exclusive items in game, and what if i told you everybody on this board knows that but you
>what if i told you that the main draw of buying a different edition other than the base game edition if for things like exclusive items in game
I already told you I don't care.
If you want to argue that all deluxe editions are mtx then you go ahead and make that argument on your own.
But we both know that you're not capable of making an argument that isn't a dishonest strawman.
>If you want to argue that all deluxe editions are mtx then you go ahead and make that argument on your own.
thats your argument, unless you wanna change your answer here
>you said that what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics
>Yes.
>thats your argument
No.
>your answer here
I don't mention deluxe editions in that post.
Quote directly where I say that all deluxe editions are mtx or apologize and admit you're wrong.
>>you said that what makes something a mtx is the purchasing of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics
>>Yes.
Didn't mention deluxe editions there either. Try again.
>so your reasoning for why bg3 has an mtx is because it offers a deluxe edition
Wrong, Black person. My reasoning for why bg3 has mtx is because it sells you in-game items as an additional purchase, aka an mtx.
>Didn't mention deluxe editions there either. Try again.
nta but are you serious? by you agreeing that the purchase of exclusive ingame items is a mtx then you are also agreeing that upgrade editions are mtx as well
>My reasoning for why bg3 has mtx is because it sells you in-game items as an additional purchase
> because it sells you in-game items as an additional purchase
that additional purchase it the deluxe edition anon
>I call the mtx a "deluxe edition"
>this means it is no longer an mtx
Cope more.
so deluxe editions are mtx then? Ok
*is
>deluxe editions
wait what is a deluxe edition if not the purchasing of exclusive items/cosmetics in game
>wait what is a deluxe edition
Don't know, don't care.
so your reasoning for why bg3 has an mtx is because it offers a deluxe edition but you don't even understand what deluxe edition is? Ok
lmao homie you got dumpstered
Sorry, I don't speak Black person.
i came back to the thread just to repeat what i said earlier, you are literally brown
I don't like it either because to some who aren't familiar with bg3 the argument implies equivalence to true mtx slop. But I have to concede there is an argument that bg3 has one mtx.
The reason is that when I click play on Steam client, it actually opens Larian's game launcher and there's an ad for deluxe edition. It's not much but it's there.
>But I have to concede there is an argument that bg3 has one mtx.
im willing to maybe concede that too but then i would also have to concede pretty much all games have some kind of mtx, i would also have to admit that dlc is arguably mtx and on and on, basically this is like me arguing that im not a criminal in a line up of murders and rapists and some guy is saying, "well you did jaywalk"
And that's why I too disagree with the argument despite acknowledging it. We need to narrow down the definition of mtx or it's meaningless. How precisely to do that is beyond me so I just define some games as true mtx slop. We all know when we see it.
>How precisely to do that is beyond me so I just define some games as true mtx slop. We all know when we see it.
im at a lost, like im sure we can all agree that valorant is mtx slop, but i've been trying to narrow down this mans view of what an mtx is and simply put, it's the selling of exclusive ingame items/cosmetics, but that could apply to the over Overwhelming amount of video games, pretty much all that include any edition other than the base game, hell pretty sure WITCHER 3 deluxe edition comes with exclusive dlc in the game like an outfit or something at launch
It's not that you're not making sense.
First, you're arguing with someone who might actually agree with you, but wants to play devil's advocate. 2nd if they hate bg3 you're wasting time
3rd it's an important topic. Here's another important topic without obvious solution: arguing definition of porn. Have you been to Twitch recently? It's crazy, and we all know what porn is when we see it and yet nobody can agree about its definition
>arguing definition of porn
if youd feel uncomfortable seeing a child or your daughter doing it, it's probably porn
i don't disagree
Isn't this just revenue by copies sold, not other sources? And this is just steam revenue, so no riot or epic numbers.
fortnite made more money this entire year than any other game released
and no matter how hard you try you won't get fortnite money
the market is limited
Oh I was trying to make a statement that fortnite was the only good game of 2024
All the games that came out in 2023 were dogshit except for Mario wonder and Pikmin 4
>were dogshit except for mario wonder and pikmin 4
guess you could say that as a casual gay
but if you look into the indie market and look at games you'll find some shit better than pretty much everything if you have any specific tastes
>Starfield top 3
You guys like it?
Those top three are all garbage
OK, thanks for your concession. You're significantly above the majority of posters in this thread.
no you clearly wanna keep going b***h so there you go
>estimates
ah yes, somehow homosexual gate outsold COD/Hogwarts, kys OP or go back
So whats even the point of this argument of trying to falsely label BG3 a MTX game?
This is the type of ridiculous thought exercise that requires way too much overthinking , redefining, and deconstruction of words to the point that it's beyond pointless
>So whats even the point
The point is that OP lied. That's it. But shills have to circle the wagons and deny any minor criticism like their lives depend on it.
the crazy thing is im just a pedantic shithead, i don't even own bg3, i just don't like your "logic"
>The point is that OP lied
Kek so the whole point of this pointless flase argument is that you cant handle the facts so you'll just pull shit out of your ass to fight about.
Why dont you stop living in a made up fantasy land and take your pills.
>you cant handle the facts
Citation needed.
>the purchase of exclusive ingame items is a mtx
Yes.
>upgrade editions are mtx
I have no idea because I don't know a consistent definition of what an upgrade edition is.
If you said that all upgrade editions contain the sale of in-game items for extra money, then I'd agree those are all examples of mtx. But you still won't say that, because you're still pathetically trying to bait me into saying that all deluxe editions contain mtx so that you can pull out some random example that proves that assertion wrong. All because you think you can spin that unrelated argument into saying that I'm wrong about the BG3 mtx.
It's a sad gambit and it's not ever going to work. But by all means, keep humiliating yourself. You're just giving me more reasons to despise BG3 defenders.
>If you said that all upgrade editions contain the sale of in-game items for extra money, then I'd agree those are all examples of mtx
yes i do say that, i've said that multiple times, at the very least it's a industry standard to give the customer some kind of ingame cosmetic/or item/ or hell in some cases even a feature, i've said this multiple times
>But you still won't say that
would you like me to direct you to all the posts where i have said that?
>because you're still pathetically trying to bait me into saying that all deluxe editions contain mtx so that you can pull out some random example that proves that assertion wrong
NO NO you fricking idiot, im saying the opposite, i can't come up with a single game that doesn't offer a ingame reward for buying an "upgrade" edition, my point is if you consider that an mtx game than every game that offers a better edition is also a MTX game, christ man
>if you consider that an mtx game than every game that offers a better edition is also a MTX game
And that's always going to be your assertion, not mine.
Mindbroken.
>And that's always going to be your assertion
no because my definition of an mtx isn't simply, pay money, get exclusive items, my definition is admittedly more nuanced and less concrete, by your definition the mtx standard affects all games that offer than exclusive item in game for more money, this covers pretty much if not all extra editions of a game
your reason for why bg3 has an mtx is because it has exclusive items in it's deluxe edition dumbass, you don't have a mind to break.
It's actually a salient topic and meaningful. We're not arguing whose best girl is actual best girl. Mtx definition matters because it impacts gamers' perception of how they end up paying.
Up front cost is clear. In game purchases can be shadowy and predatory. Imagine hitting wall in game and you get pop up ad for $2 solution... A lot of gamers hit that wall once every few weeks. It adds up.
Then there's the whales who actually can't afford that activity who are addicted. Studios make bank on that misery.
This argument is not what any reasonable person who ACTUALLY cares about videogames would call meaningful especially when its fundamentally flawed with its disingenous standpoint from the very beginning.
A whale in gaming is just someone who pays more than retail price
Thats not what the definition of a whale in industry terms is. Again youre MAKING UP DEFINITIONS and then using those MADE UP DEFINTIONS as an argument.
This has legitimately gotten to be one of the worse types of internet arguments ive seen when youre literally just making up and purposely MISINTERPRETING preestablished concepts to fit your own moronic argument.
You literally do not deserve any of the attention youre getting when youve committed so many graves signs in basic rhetoric
>nikke made 300 million
>it wasn't even the number one gacha
Lordy
Never thought a turn based game would almost double a harry potter game.
>singleplayer games with no microtransactions
Baldur's Gate 3 has launch DLC though, and the devs announced the week of it's release that they have DLC coming out later.
>Baldur's Gate 3 has launch DLC though
what launch dlc?
>Steam
>Relevant to anything but 3rd worlders
Why are lariangays so pathetic?
Is this what you say to cope to yourself when everyone on earth looks at you like you're moronic?
I think theres no point in arguing with the schizo now you've successfully trapped him in a logic loop
He cant admit that by his own definition every games deluxe edition is a MTX and it obviously makes his entire argument weaker by admitting that
So he's just going to keep denying and dodging it in an endless loop because he cant elaborate anymore without the entire argument falling apart.
Very well done anon.
you know, i was shitting on the guy at first because i took issue with the inconsistency but really i ended up genuinely trying to reach a connection, i don't even own BG3, i played myself really
You cant help everyone anon
Some people are genuinely a lost cause and its better for you to care for yourself and be selfish at times than to constantly drag yourself down with burden of others.
thank you anon, heres a picture of kojimbo schick hydrobot
so glad we settled what a micro-transaction is, good job everybody
How is Fifa still tricking people into buying it? There must be mountains and mountains of evidence of bad faith for their players but they buy the new one every year.
mexicans
that's how sports game people do
got a buddy who loves those nfl games, buys them over and over
i will say based on what he told me at least the american football games have rpg elements now where you can make your own characters and teams that level up and create your own plays and playbooks
soccer games seem real shitty, though
like even if you love soccer what the hell do they have to offer after 20 versions of the same shit?
>hogslop legacy sells more than a Bethesda game
>resident evil remake sells in the ballpark
Lmao
How the frick did the harry potter game sell so much?
I haven't heard of anyone talk about it shortly after the release.
>Starfield in 3rd place
Nope, it's dying.
banning my OS makes Steam a microtransaction itself. not to mention hogging my processes and power. frick Steam.