5 years ago, this was insanely OP. Today it would be more like >mana 1 Quest card; play 2 cards >Reward, hero power upgrade: transform a minion into a 1/1 sheep
it still was great in the sense it was very threatening and people had to play around it. The card now is useless since your opponent can just keep discovering minions that discover other minions on top of having a good onboard effects
>they nerfed the twig instead of this
remember how original druid death knight was played in every druid (even wild for quite a while) just because it was a straightforward upgrade at a decent price?
i remember
While obviously awful, nothing sounds quite like a deathrattle like adding more classes. They even jumped the shark with DUDE ILLIDAN IS SO COOL class first, what a joke.
yeah makes sense, people were clamoring for death knight since hs first came out but in classic blizzard fashion they had to wait for the game to die before finally giving people what they actually wanted all along
What happened that caused people to dislike the concept of pandaren so much?
I thought people really liked pandaren Brewster in wc3, and and also remember a decent amount of people thinking pandaren in wow would be cool.
Was it just kung-fu panda coming out that ruined the idea, even if the movie came out AFTER Brewster in WC3?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Was it just kung-fu panda coming out that ruined the idea,
Yes. By MoP you had a sizeable portion of WoW's playerbase who never played WC3 or even knew about it. Seeing Panda people do martial arts made said people immediately jump to kung fu Panda and Asian/Chinese market pandering.
yeah especially death knight release was extremely desperate move, they didnt want to add that ever
DK is also just a conceptually bad class and terrible for the health of the game in the future. >>Lmao what if you just didn't have access to 2/3rds of your card pool at all times?
Garbage idea when you consider that expansions have to be released, all ways of "solving" the problem of adding now DK cards to the pool are terrible. >Just focus on one rune each expansion (what they went with)
Woah! This defeats the entire point of the class. Great. >Print more DK cards
Woah! Now you are more likely to get DK cards when you open packs even if you don't want them. >Spread cards evenly over the runes
Means that DK effectively only has like 3 cards every expansion.
only 1/3rd of your card pool is balanced because the high rune requirement cards are better!
Very cool in theory. One problem. Now neutrals can NEVER be strong again. Because if neutrals are strong that means DK with is just the best class to put those neutrals in.
Half the expansions the meta revolves around solving the Druid decks. Frick them. Their decks are fun tho.
yeah thought so,
They were a b***h to beat even in classic, having draw power and putting big sacks of crap you couldn't get through unless you traded your whole board
Fun to play if you were the opposite side. but ive always preferred quick games
I miss having access to 18 free face damage for just two cards. Don't worry their board was always clear because I'd have thrown down at least one Fel Reaver because either the game ended at turn 8? or I lost. That bullshit got me almost to legend tier.
It helps that MTG in general has more formats available. People who wanna play obscenely busted decks play Vintage. People who wanna do stuff from over a long time period play Modern. People who just wanna play newer stuff play Standard. And then there's shit like Commander and even sort of 'Modern variants' like whatever the frick Pioneer is.
>people talk about powercreep but mtg has gotten better over time, old cards were cancer and people who play vintage should be raped and murdered
In Modern, the most popular competitive format, the top played cards are mostly those printed in the "Modern Horizions" sets and the Lord of the Rings set(which is modern legal.)
The cards you're complaining about in vintage where mostly printed almost three decades ago.
Modern survived for YEARS as a card gaming format that had balance hiccups(Eldrazi winter, Pod Meta, ect.), but ultimately, you could bring your fringe modern deck to a Friday night event and have a good time.
Good luck doing that now that people are playing Elemental incarnations, The One Ring, Orchish bowmasters, Ragavan, and much more crap that's just BETTER without being interesting.
Meanwhile, every vintage player I've encountered encourages proxying and is jolly up and down.
>modern is a diverse format that changes with new cards >vintage is everyone proxying the most broken shit ever printed because anything else auto loses
thanks for proving my point. There's a reason you freaks are segregated in your cesspit. btw you should be aware that vintage is the least played format and modern is the second most played format behind edh
>the most skillful and fun format that filters out kids and normieBlack folk
you say that like it's a bad thing. sounds like you're one of those that people used to gatekeep their hobbies from.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>vintage >skillful
Damn, I know wannabe richgays are deluded but holy hell
8 months ago
Anonymous
What about Legacy then? I imagine it has more variety without the P9 everywhere, and I know it gets shaked a lot more from all the >we broke legacy again memes.
holy delusion batman
While the current powercreep isn't on the same level as vintage staples (most of the time), the output of broken cards has been WAY higher since FIRE became a thing
>return to owner's deck only when game is over
Was this a clumsy way to say that you don't really lose the card or was there some other card that restarts the game and thereby resets the exile?
>get raped by Zoolock >Paladin pulls out 10/10 cards turn 3 >elemental dmg burst shaman with 6/6 fireball battlecry mob and murlocs adaptations >token druid adaptation spam dead turn 4 with living mana 2/2’s >Nether portal turn 5 warlock that destroys your deck immediately >OTK mage with 4 apprentice wizard duplicates, +1 turn and archmage >turn two rogue quest done and they pull 5/5 1 mana charge boars
This was unironically my favourite deck during this set, it felt so cool trying to win with whatever tome and glyph gave you. It was a good thing it was so shit and scarce because people would have complaied a lot otherwise.
Now it's >Get raped by ZOOgaras >Paladin sharts out a billion divine shield turn 5 >Totem Nature burst shaman >Symphony warlock turn 5 that destroys your wincon immediately >OTK mage with SIF and 5 created by arcane bolts >Turn two rogue mech snowball as they create a 10/10 windfury reborn replicator
Its funny that despite the power creep, the feeling is still the same
I've sunk ~35 hours into it. I think it's fun. Matches are a lot shorter than hearthstone, and there's a lot more RNG I think. The artwork is also a lot nicer, and it's less pay-to-win.
>get raped by Zoolock >Paladin pulls out 10/10 cards turn 3 >elemental dmg burst shaman with 6/6 fireball battlecry mob and murlocs adaptations >token druid adaptation spam dead turn 4 with living mana 2/2’s >Nether portal turn 5 warlock that destroys your deck immediately >OTK mage with 4 apprentice wizard duplicates, +1 turn and archmage >turn two rogue quest done and they pull 5/5 1 mana charge boars
Exactly when I realized the game would never become better and left.
Apparently the bots nowadays can fully emulate human behavior and grind to rank 2 easily, so basically it's all bots and mobile shitters on the entire ladder.
The card is primarily used for removal. In 90% of use cases you cast it on an enemy minion so you can kill it with a single point of damage.
Getting your own copy of that minion is then a bonus on top of that (even if it also dies to 1 point of damage, since you force the opponent to have to deal that damage)
>reverbing your own darkhan >reverbing and pinging any titan except sergeras (and might be even good with him if they have a board and nether is still up) >reverbing rush minions
etc
reverb is such a powerful card I really dont know why its not 4 mana
Varian. Also, 'iconic' doesn't matter beyond, like, Jaina and Anduin because they pulled a very deep cut literal who for Rogue. Nobody knew who the frick Valeera was before Hearthstone.
>Varian
He ended up being one of the first legendary cards for warrior along Grommash, and again I'd say most people knew Grommash/Garrosh more than him. >Jaina >literal who
Huh?
Anduin and Valeria is fair enough, but it's not like there are a lot of relevant rogues and priests in the game.
There's what, the leader of SI:7 and maybe that priestess from scarlet monastery?
I meant, BEYOND Jaina and Anduin (and I guess Thrall), the classes being iconic characters didn't matter too much because those were arguably the most iconic ones to pull. Really, the general people don't know THAT many Warcraft characters besides Jaina, Arthas and Thrall. Anduin was always a 'big name' character so he had to be in, but Valeera was a literal who pull.
They should have made Magni the default warrior, since it would have fixed some of the race variety (there were already 3 other orcs but no dwarves) and the warrior hero power giving armor is way more appropriate for a heavily armored warrior like Magni than a guy who doesn't even wear a shirt like Garrosh.
It is funny how they have almost an embarassment of riches with some classes to pull alts for, and then some like Rogue are so scarce they basically just kind of awkwardly retrofit some (was Maiev particularly 'Rogue-y' at all?) before saying "frick it" and putting Garona in as a skin because she's the only Rogue that seems to actually exist that matters.
Lol, if anything Maiev was more of a hunter.
Yeah, they were pretty desperate, all they had to do was make some literal who of ok importance like Noggenfogger or fricking Moroes from Kharazan, who was an easy pick.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It is just kinda funny, but I guess Rogue as a character archetype is one that doesn't do a lot in story. Garona was an assassin, sure, but that was kind of it and she stopped mattering after doing the one assassination and having a now-retconned kid with Medivh.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It should have been Vanessa.
Oh but then there would have been 4 playable humans, and that's just unacceptable for any race that isn't orc.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kinda surprised they eventually picked Edwin instead of Vanessa for an alt skin, but I guess Edwin was more popular in HS itself because of >THE BROTHERHOOD SHALL PREVAIL >18/18 on turn 6
8 months ago
Anonymous
Maiev in wc3 is melee and has fan of knives as one ability..
I only play priest and I hated it. I hate the heavy control decks with 20 clears anyways but Raza Priest happened to also be tier 0 at one point so you basically had no reason to not be playing it.
I remember trying to do the run with budget decks and restarting the game 50 times to get the perfect mage hand lmao. Still my favourite portrait to this day.
Back when I was really interested in climbing the ladder in ranked I didnt even need specific cards for proof. Once you play long enough you can practically tell from your opening hand when the game wants you to lose. Game is rigged bullshit, not RNG.
It lets you pick between 3 cards which all just so happen to be very very good for the current situation. The joke is that this proves that Blizzard has some sort of system in place that can tell what cards are good and what not meaning that they could use this system to force 50:50 winrates.
Everything. Roughly.
Basically it has a pool of cards, run the Hearthstone's AI on all of them, and let you pick between the 3 that the solo game AI would play the most.
On an empty board it's pretty meh, but it has a knack to find the one card that could give you lethal out of nowhere.
Or to NOT give you the card you would obviously want from his pool in whatever situation you are. Zephyr is playful like that.
But yeah, it's a tremendously good card if you can afford the drawback.
It's 2 mana: draw a standard card that will at least save you and at best win the game.
So it's even worse than RNG, if it was random oh well at least you know you had fair chances, meanwhile you're telling me the game clearly has some working algorithms that can understand how to change the tides of a match
One of the few things I appreciate about hearthstone, it uses simple intuitive human words to describe its effects
>mtg card: after you spend the necessary mana to play the "Loan Shark" card from your hand into the battlefield under your control, choose an opponent, that opponent adds a 0 mana cost "Coin" colorless neutral sorcery card with "add 1 (one) to your current mana total this turn only" to their hand, after "Loan Shark" is killed by combat or spell effects add two 0 mana cost......
Left HS during the Created By meta, is that still going on?
>When Loan Shark enters the battlefiend, target opponent creates a Coin Token (It is a colorless Artifact with Tap: Add one colorless mana).
When Loan Shark leaves the battlefield, create two Coin Tokens.
Not that bad.
Hearthstone was dead to me the very moment they released these story dungeon dlcs that had new overpowered cards in them. About 2 story dlcs in and my default Warlock was already unplayable. I quit and many, many years later I installed it again just to see how bad it's gotten and the first game i encounter a dude with a set of combo cards I've never seen before that kills me by round 3. Frick nu-Blizz, they destroyed every franchise, every single one.
Did you even play the game? Normally you buy packs for 100 gold and they can contain lots of trash. With dungeons you pay 1000 gold for guaranteed meta cards.
They started printing some fun looking cards for a while but now it seems like they're slowly regressing into moronic "le randomly random effects" and brain dead "if you are playing [archetype] draw three cards/deal 10 damage :OOOOOOO"
The aesthetic the game had around one night in kazahkstan or fricking whatever and the league of explorers was incredible.
then they had like three shitty dinosaur and fricking goblin expansions back to back? boring. totally killed the game for me
the /vg/ was awful in a good way, too.
Absolute garbage, the entire old dev team is gone and what repleaced them were a bunch of ex 'pros', casters and shitters who were too bad for modern wow. Almost every decision they make is based around adding something new to the game that can be monetized, they have added so many new things to buy like 3d portraits, coin skins, battlepass, two more types of cosmetic cards that are similar to golden cards etc. Complete and utter shitfest. Unironically the last time the game was fun was like saviours of uldum and that was like 4 years ago. Oh, and the game is infested with bots, both blizzard and just china ones since blizzard games can't operate in china anymore.
It's more fun than before because it got more interactions but doomposters don't wanna admit it that playing plain vanilla cards on curve was never fun.
Twist is fun, fricked around with some homebrew dragon priest decks and that was enjoyable but ladder is beyond fricked. All the extra modes apart from BG were also a massive waste of resources at this point they’re all dead.
You either lose on turn 3 or 60 with no inbetween, the power gap between free and optimized (whale) decks has never been wider because everything, SPECIALLY legendaries has steadily been powercreeped to frick, there is no point in getting into or returning to hearthstone unless you're willing to fork out hundreds of dollars up front, the game's pay to win and the f2p experience is miserable
it has been bad for years. you can play 5 Marvel Snap matches in the time it takes to play 1 Hearthstone match that you know you are going to lose from the beginning.
Aggro tries to kill by turn 4-5, mech rogue for example can build a couple 10/10 stealth windfury minions on turn 4 for the win on turn 5. Control decks are either Warrior stalling until they draw their 50 damage from hand combo or Warlock stalling until they can start dropping 12/14 in stats every turn for 2 mana. Midrange and tempo are just inferior to aggro and control right now so they're basically free wins for the above decks
>What's the current state of hearthstone?
It's so bad most israelitetubers making their entire living from it didn't have the will to keep playing.
It's so bad the most played part unironically is a mini-game that just re-use the UI and has next to jackshit to do with card games.
It's because they did nothing to stop netdecking and worse they started rewarding whales. Personally if I was the dev I would've put netdeckers on netdecker island. The more optimized your deck (and common it is) the more likely you'd play games on netdeck island. Then the other people playing wacky decks can finally have peace.
Penalizing netdecking (or rather put them on netdecker island) does fix the game as people who want to engage in the deckbuilding side of the game without having to play against the same 5 or 6 meta decks. It's like you don't even know why the game sucks. Part of the appeal of any deckbuilder is the fact you don't have access to every card so you have to make compromises. So I didn't say remove netdecking, I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
>I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
That system already exists, it's called "ranked mode".
People with good decks will actually win their matches and climb to high ranks where they play other people with good decks.
People with shit decks will lose and plummet to the bottom ranks where they can play other people with shit decks.
8 months ago
Anonymous
People netdeck in wild and casual modes you piece of shit. Frick off I hate people like you. No, you play on netdeck island with the other neckdecks. The algorithm is strictly based on how common your deck is. So if you netdeck, you play with netdecks.
>I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
That system already exists, it's called "ranked mode".
People with good decks will actually win their matches and climb to high ranks where they play other people with good decks.
People with shit decks will lose and plummet to the bottom ranks where they can play other people with shit decks.
anon what do you think this card was
>rng
It's not RNG, and this card is the proof.
They knew netdecking was a thing and wanted to remedy it, but people who want to netdeck will netdeck. And they climbed ranks with said deck
8 months ago
Anonymous
Even Reno decks wound up with standardized lists.
Because guess what, people want to use good cards so they can actually win the game, and that means they will inevitably gravitate towards using the same good cards.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>reno
Right, i thought for sure that would fix netdecking
But good cards and decks inevitably dominate
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, so you put them in Netdecker hell, they can climb ranks against each other :^)
If you homebrew decks you are already at an advantage, considering you are not building utter shit. Netdecking means the opponent knows every single card you run so I cannot fathom how you find it annoying. Most decent players will customise the decks to their rank/slash most frequent matchups.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Or I can just put in you Netdecker Hell and you can play against all other same decks. The best part is it's also a deck elo system, the more common/successful the deck the more likely it's a good deck. Also Netdecker Hell rewards homebrew, so it's a win/win.
8 months ago
Anonymous
People netdeck in wild and casual modes you piece of shit. Frick off I hate people like you. No, you play on netdeck island with the other neckdecks. The algorithm is strictly based on how common your deck is. So if you netdeck, you play with netdecks.
Penalizing netdecking (or rather put them on netdecker island) does fix the game as people who want to engage in the deckbuilding side of the game without having to play against the same 5 or 6 meta decks. It's like you don't even know why the game sucks. Part of the appeal of any deckbuilder is the fact you don't have access to every card so you have to make compromises. So I didn't say remove netdecking, I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
Seething and obsessed.
I wish your demands could be met, just so you could face how still utterly garbage nu-Heartstone is even without netdecking.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah have a diverse set of opponents to play against in a card game is awful! I already know modern Hearthstone sucks, but if this was done years ago maybe it wouldn't be like this today.
Remainder that Mercenaries mode can be used to farm lots of xp and gold >Open Mercs mode >Select the 1st level >Choose the 1st or 2nd encounter >Send heroes with AOE abilities that can instakill the encounter >As the fight begins, wait AFK for 30 minutes >Kill everyone and gain XP (Based on game length) >Repeat
Development hell because Reynad had no clear idea on what he wanted out of the game in the early design stages.
At one point he even tried to incorporate NFTs into it.
But then the entire NFT market bubbled and collapsed faster than he could even figure out how to implement them.
The game is vaporware. Reynad is a smug c**t who assumed he would just automatically be able to make a better card game than hearthstone just because he could point out problems with hearthstone. It'll probably never come out because it turns out Reynad lacked both the technical and creative skill to make a game and is desperately fumbling from 1 trend chasing idea to another, never properly realizing any of them. If it ever does come out, it'll be dead in the water since digital card games are already dying and all of Reynads old hearthstone fame has evaporated.
The only online card game I play is Runeterra for about a week after each major patch. I'm still sitting on a massive pile of wildcards and shards from when I played regularly and can craft literally any deck I want.
I don't know, I stopped watching him when it looked like he was going to put a shotgun in his mouth at any moment and he played games like a fast food worker about to spit in people's food and quit.
Hearthstone got really shitty and he started to really hate the game I think. But to be fair I don't know how Kripp plays that pile of turd for years straight. But part of being an entertainer is faking it plus they're making six figures playing games, I can have fun doing that.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kripp looks and plays games like a zombie, i dont think hes a human anymore
8 months ago
Anonymous
Kripp is for putting you to sleep, he knows his time slot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But part of being an entertainer is faking it plus they're making six figures playing games, I can have fun doing that.
never understood how many of these weak-willed streamers cry and complain about playing bad games for a living. like, I understand it being frustrating but are you serious dude? they act like a child throwing a temper tantrum because they can't get exactly what they want. especially for the clique that disguised toast is now in, it's filled with the dumbest frickers in the industry. imagine 30+ people forming a streaming group, which would have the ability to work anywhere in the world, and stuffing them all in the most expensive city in the united states. just literal children throwing away money so they can have their "dream life" instead of acting smart
I don't know, I stopped watching him when it looked like he was going to put a shotgun in his mouth at any moment and he played games like a fast food worker about to spit in people's food and quit.
too much hearthstone, if you followed him he got increasingly tired of playing it thats why he quit and went to other games well that and apparently blizzard drama involving them forcing him to pay out of pocket for a tournament or something.
Supposedly he's much better now, but i wouldn't know i stopped watching him too around that time.
The ban over him testing the game crash exploit was probably the beginning of the end. Then the Hong Kong shit happened directly after which probably pissed him off further and was also around the time where Blizzard was spiralling downwards.
It started to get fricky the moment Undead joined the horde and it wasn't a secret ploy by Old Horde Warlocks to take control of them with necromantic magiks.
Blizzardgays are incomprehensible to me
2/3 of their popular franchises are literally just plagiarism of Warhammer
Their aesthetic is ugly
There were other games doing essentially the same thing when theirs came out and blew up in success
They just kept lucking into success for like 15 years then when they became big enough that they couldn't get away with ripping shit off after ripping off Everquest they ran all their shitty ripoff franchises into the ground
Their biggest "original" idea (Diablo) was basically the progenitor of shitty mobile game grindfests today.
The games that made them successful were the 90s/early 2000s version of movie games
They took genres that already had all the work done on them and just added shitty FMVs to them to tell a shitty Hollywood story in between their ripoff gameplay
Blizzard is the dumbest company in existence to have become as successful as they are
>nooooo you HAVE to reinvent the wheel!
Their games were good, what's the problem? Who gives a shit if it's ripped off generic fantasy shit, people clearly enjoy the setting.
So why do people shit on crap like Lords of the Fallen but Blizzard gets a pass for making way more money being just as blatant?
They could have made fantasy or scifi RTSes about actual original ideas but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead. I don't even like Warhammer either but the blatant ripoffery is galling.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone has to love everything all the time
Why are you so fragile? You're busy shitting on Blizzard and you're mad people are shitting on Lords of the Fallen? Do you lack self-awareness?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You're busy shitting on Blizzard and you're mad people are shitting on Lords of the Fallen?
Do you lack reading comprehension?
The point is they're both fricking ripoffs yet people immediately shat on one but pretend the other is good when they both plagiarized and ran their plagiarized franchises into the ground.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This sounds like a personal issue and you should have self-reflection. People not loving your shitty game isn't a personal attack. I can't believe you're so fragile that the mere idea someone liked something and disliked something else detracts from your own personal enjoyment. You lack the nuance that you demand of other people and thus are part of the problem. I don't even believe you objectively assessed how much people like Blizzard games. If you like Lords of the Fallen, go ahead, why does it matter if some people on the internet says its a rip-off. Have you forgotten that some of those people are literally 12 years old?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>This sounds like a personal issue and you should have self-reflection. People not loving your shitty game isn't a personal attack.
Stopped there
You're too moronic to even understand basic English
8 months ago
Anonymous
Of course you stopped there because you know it's a you problem. People calling Lords of a Fallen a knock-off doesn't make it a worse game. Even better given the Dark Souls crowd are emotional 14 year olds whose only accomplishment in life is grinding through a video game.
8 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair, Lords of the Fallen was NOT a good game.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>So why do people shit on crap like Lords of the Fallen but Blizzard gets a pass for making way more money being just as blatant?
Never played it or followed news surrounding it but I would assume it's because DS defined the genre and most people think only From makes those kinds of games while RTS was a well established genre with multiple studios developing RTS games so Blizzard entering the market just made them one of many instead of a studio trying to ape the latest smash hit? I wouldn't care in either case, if LotF is a good game then it's a good game, knockoff or not. >
They could have made fantasy or scifi RTSes about actual original ideas but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead. I don't even like Warhammer either but the blatant ripoffery is galling.
Their ideas are obviously heavily inspired by Warhammer but unique enough on their own that you should give a shit. GW was never going to develop Starcraft so just be happy one studio actually did.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because Blizzard took gameplay concepts and made them better or took the themes and gave them more mainstream appeal. Lords of the Fallen had a less interesting world and worse gameplay than Souls while not differentiating itself in a meaningful way. As an example, Remnant gets a pass as a Soulslike because it's a third person shooter with a very different setting and mechanics.
I'm not about to defend modern Blizzard though, the company is a shitshow with or without that lawsuit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead
Weren't they half-way through making a Warhammer RTS before they lost the rights, which they then spun into Warcraft?
Might as well call Halo a Starcraft rip-off since the Flood and Covenant are just Zerg and Protoss.
Isn't it strange that almost every card game starts tanking and dying because of unchecked powercreep, but everyone still does it? Nobody gives a shit about hearthstone after all the discover and combo shit.
MTG somehow manages to keep trucking on. Sunk cost, maybe, or maybe it's because the most popular format doesn't really care much for power creep because there's sort of agreed-upon power levels you play at.
>MTG somehow manages to keep trucking on
You don't have to go quite as wild with the power creep and more importantly can still constantly sell cardboard when cards rotate out of the tournament format after however long.
I can guarantee Magic would not be as finically healthy as it is right now without commander. There's a reason Wizard's started pandering to the EDH players so hard.
mtg endures because it successfully established itself as an eccentric rich people hobby. Much like boomers buying a rolex to flex at each other wealthy nerds buy expensive magic cards for the sole purpose of appearing wealthy to other nerds >but that's stupid
rich people are fricking moronic
That's pretty much a law for any game whose business model run on "buy new thing while old thing is still working".
It mean "new thing" need to be better than old thing in at least *some* way.
>Be Anduin. >Be the Priest default character >Somehow get less skins than Tyrande because she's more well known and Elves are popular in Asia. >Anduin skins can't decide if they want him to be himbo pretty boy, or pic related.
Still disappointed the Legendary skin slot was wasted on Tyrande when it could've been Velen
I feel like the legendary skins being characters that already have skins was a bit of a waste. The Arthas one I'll give at least a pass because we didn't have "Arthas as Death Knight but before Lich King-ing up", but Sylvanas and Tyrande didn't need legendary skins. Doesn't help Tyrande's is just ugly.
I get their reasoning for Arthas, Sylvansas and Tyrande. It's versions of the characters that could essentially be considered their own characters/things.
But there was so many better choices for both Priest and Hunter. Suppose they wanted living Sylvanas to go with Arthas, but the fact Tyrande got a 3D skin over Velen who hasn't had one in the games 10 year life span, is just sad
>sexy big boob elf lady everyone knows and loves
OR >old bearded blue goat man nobody cares about
Which would you expect to sell more skins? There's why blizzard chose Tyrande over Velen.
If that was the mentality they were going with, they wouldn't have done Blingatron for Rogue, C'thun for Druid and Varian for Warrior.
Rafaam was gonna sell either way as he's a popular HS OC.
They all look like garbage frankly.
Bad 3d sexy lady still has more appeal than bad 3d goat man.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I think the Rafaam one looks good because it's 3D, sure, but it's cartoonishly done and Rafaam animates well. The C'thun one's cool too just because it breaks a lot of the boundaries, but it's also just... A lot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>They all look bad.
Rafaam knows we're all gonna make it, bruh
>sexy big boob elf lady
Please this is nu-blizzard we're talking about, the we would stand aside and let a woman kill herself because we're cowards
So now we need to censor breasts because its (You) the players fault that we didn't have any balls to stand up for her. No exaggerations were made this is what Blizzard employees really believe
>I couldn't adapt to the meta and Blizzard is to blame: the thread
HS is objectively in the best state it's ever been with the constant patches and mini-sets. Back in the day the devs literally didn't give a frick and you could have 1 (one) OP deck reigning supreme for almost a year
By card game standards $100 to be competitive is a fricking bargain.
In MTG you'd be paying +$100 for ONE copy of a card (of which you often need 4), and that's just 4 cards, you've got another 56 to go before you have a competitive deck.
My point is that all card games are scams, but HS is one of the cheapest.
Why did you ever even try to get into card games to begin with if you hate the idea of having to continuously buy new stuff to keep up when that's been an open fact about the genre since it's inception in the 90s?
Unlike Hearthstone you can play MTG non-competitively and take your shitty deck to any card shop and not worry about playing $1000 decks. Well at least that was how it was when I played 15 years ago. Maybe everyone's spending $1000 on decks now, guess that tracks with you spending $100 on Hearthstone like an addict.
8 months ago
Anonymous
And how much did your shitty MTG deck cost? It wasn't free just because it was shitty you know.
There's also nothing stopping you from playing HS non-competitively with a free shitty deck, you'll just lose a lot, exactly like you would if you tried to play with a cheap shitty deck in any card game. Actually, HS does give new players a free meta deck when they start the game nowadays, what kind of free stuff does MTG give players? How many free packs can you earn in a day by playing MTG at your local store?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're never going to defend spending money on a DCG. And you ignored my point, in Hearthstone you play against $200+ decks all the time, in Casual, in Ranked, in Wild, wherever. In Magic you can make a competitive deck for the buy-in price at Friday Night Magic and actually have fun with real people. You're just completely in a new world and every day every $10 you spend on DCGs make you even farther down the rabbit hole. It doesn't matter how many free cards Hearthstone gives you, you have to either do hundreds of hours of grinding or pay hundreds of dollars in imaginary boosters with no resell value. But don't worry whale, I'm sure you spent your money well on your imaginary card collection.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>In Magic you can make a competitive deck for the buy-in price at Friday Night Magic
lol
lmao even
By card game standards $100 to be competitive is a fricking bargain.
In MTG you'd be paying +$100 for ONE copy of a card (of which you often need 4), and that's just 4 cards, you've got another 56 to go before you have a competitive deck.
Individual CARDS can easily run up to $200 in magic. And no matter how hard you cope with "muh resale", their value plummets once they get banned/rotated out and you'll be lucky to sell it off for 10% of what you paid for it (which you won't do to begin with by the way).
Face it homosexual, you're the whale.
>he says this like it's a good thing
Anon, please grow up. You're buying pieces of paper. It's even worse for DCG, you're buying digital pretend pieces of paper that disappear the second they shut down the Hearthstone servers. At least with my old MTG collection I can play with them with my kids.
>disappear the second they shut down the Hearthstone servers
and your cards disappear if your house burns down
see? I can make up moronic scenarios that'll never happen too
The Hearthstone shutting down is guaranteed. My real life card collection is not guaranteed to burn in a fire. Hearthstone will not exist in 20 years.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you're guaranteed to be homeless in 20 years
see? I can pull shit out of my ass too
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah anon, you're betting that Hearthstone will be around in 20 years? 30 years? 50 years?
Blizzard is running money as it is.
And you know what they're actually going to do. The real kicker: Hearthstone 2. Don't worry they migrated your account and gave you a 10,000 Dust welcome bonus.
:):):)
8 months ago
Anonymous
two more weeks
8 months ago
Anonymous
For the game in a death spiral whose most popular mode is actually a spin-off?
8 months ago
Anonymous
but enough about mtg arena
8 months ago
Anonymous
Be honest bro, how much total money have you spent on MTG over the course of your lifetime?
It's thousands isn't it. And that's not even above average for a magic player.
You can cope all you want with "muh resale", but not only do we both know you'll never actually go through with selling all of them, but even if you did you know 99% of your collection is worthless pack filler garbage not worth the cardboard it's printed on, and even the 1% of cards you own that are remotely playable won't sell for anywhere remotely close to what you paid for them, since they'll be old, used, powercrept and not usable in modern.
You're a whale. WotC has been milking you for years and years but you just don't want to admit it. You'll accuse me of being a HS whale (which not only am not), but I started this argument by saying ALL card games are scams, but that HS was merely a much cheaper scam than MTG. You however got upset, probably motivated by massive sunk cost fallacy, and tried desperate to pretend the game you fanboy for hasn't been exploiting you for +20 years.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You want me to be honest? Probably around $600 total 20 years ago, a couple boxes of boosters and incidental boosters over a few years. My collection is worth way more than that now. Unlike you I don't buy singles to play in tournaments, I bought cards to play the game for fun with my friends. My collection will continue to be fun to play with.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You want me to be honest?
Yes.
Too bad we're arguing anonymously online, so you never will be, since there's literally no reason to ever actually be honest here when it'll only serve to hurt your stance.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I can take a picture of my binder of rares if that makes you happy. But I won't because you're a coper trying to rationalize his digital card collection tied to a server ran by one of the most evil corporations ever to exist.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>trying to rationalize his digital collection
Man you just cannot stop with the strawmanning to save your life. I've already said both hearthstone and MTG are scams, all card games are, but since you're desperately fanboying for one game and trying to attack the other, you can't help but project that I must be doing the same. And that's not even touching on the weird way you keep accusing ME of buying expensive MTG cards despite YOU being the MTG player.
And not only is your binder NOT worth more than you paid for it, but we both know you're never actually going to sell it, meaning it's functionally "worth" the same amount as my old hearthstone account, $0.00. You'll die with it collecting dust in your closest, assuming it doesn't get destroyed in an accident first.
Oh, and saying blizzard is "one of the most evil corporations ever to exist.", but acting like WotC isn't? Just lol.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If I don't sell it doesn't it just mean I believe my collection is worth more than the money? What's your point, how dare I spend money on things I don't want to sell? Doesn't this go counter to the idea people are buying singles for $200 and reselling them for $20? Obviously I'm not them. It's also weird you're in a Hearthstone thread if this is as your actual opinion about CCGs. Seems a little sad.
Imagine if I had a board game collection and you come barging in about how their resale value is in the drain and are like "I don't even know why you people play board games." It doesn't matter if the Sorry! board game I own happens to be vintage collector's item worth $250. You completely miss the point.
Why is "but I can sell them later!" always the default cope from magic gays even though none of them ever do it? Also guess what, if you spend $10,000 amassing a collection of magic cards over your life, and then sell it for $2000, you're still down $8000 dollars, while the person who "wasted" their money on HS is only down $100.
That's an ancient screenshot, obviously.
In fact I'm glad you pointed that out, because it perfectly illustrates my point. MTG whales will drop nearly $500 to get 4 copies of the latest competitive cards, then once it's no longer competitive will be lucky to sell them for 10% of what they originally paid.
So thanks for helping prove my point about how "muh resale" is total cope from hopeless whales in denial.
Only morons like you spend $500 to netdeck. Netdecking isn't a good thing you moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Only morons like you spend $500 to netdeck. >"n-no u!"
Holy mother of cope, you're so desperate for an argument you're just straight up trying to pretend I'm the MTG player now.
No cuck, YOU'RE the MTG player, remember? You're the one claiming MTG is the consumerism friendly game that you can play competitively for pennies.
Now go ahead and take your 54,000 pennies and order 4 copies of the one ring and orcish bowmasters like a good whale.
8 months ago
Anonymous
umm sweaty?? the best deck in standard every year is monored aggro which is $40???? wotc already has a poorgay option they keep perma tier 1 on purpose
8 months ago
Anonymous
There was a time when people played games to have fun.
That's an ancient screenshot, obviously.
In fact I'm glad you pointed that out, because it perfectly illustrates my point. MTG whales will drop nearly $500 to get 4 copies of the latest competitive cards, then once it's no longer competitive will be lucky to sell them for 10% of what they originally paid.
So thanks for helping prove my point about how "muh resale" is total cope from hopeless whales in denial.
Never played magic, but the lewd card edits are my favorite.
That was always the case. Back when I first started playing I could only build 2 competitive decks: face hunter and mech mage, both of which were mind-numbingly boring. Since I didn't want to pay I had to grind arena and git gud at it. At least they let returning players get a free (admittedly shitty) meta deck now
Usually variants of zoo were pretty cheap too. I'm sure they've been powercrept out of existence, but zoo lock was my starter f2p meta deck in the first few months of the game.
>announce twist mode with all the old cards for nostalgiagays >infest the mode with new unbalanced shit that ruins the fun and make unnecessary buffs making meta horrible >only Control Warrior, Jade Rogue, Discard Warlock and face hunter are viable >drag your feet with balance changes so the mode dies before its ever playable
The wild situation is also so funny, they really said that they would finally pay some attention to it for them to only come in, buff secret mage (an already oppresive deck spamed by bots) buff discard warlock (also a strong deck that literally forced them to ban a card and rework another) and then fricked off. What in actual frick is wrong with these people?
I have played this game on and off, casually for years and only played whizbang the wonderful in "normal" games , or whatever his name is. I wonder if blizzard regrets making that card.
>Thread makes me want to replay some hearthstone after not playing for a year >boot it up >download all updates >get in >half of my decks are missing just 1 card >start looking through >they are all legendaries I definitely didnt dust >Google around >these cards got removed from the core set this year and are just gone
Because you are just fricking renting these cards. That was enough to delete and never return to this stupid fricking game. I waste money getting good legendarys and these israelites can just walk up and take them away with no repercussions. Fricking unbelievable, at least if a card is banned in MTG you still KEEP THE FRICKING CARD. pic unrelated.
when wild was first introduced years ago, i spent all my dust to make my wild control warrior completely gold. i had it that way for about a month and they nerfed fiery war axe to 3 mana. i stopped playing the game soon after
Mysterious Challenger. Like dude thinning your deck is one of the strongest shit you can do in a graveyardless 30 card gayme, attached to a body which passes the Vanilla Test and can give you its mana cost back as a battlecry?
No specific card but I decided to do the gay pre-order bundle shit for Descent of Dragons (first and last time I spent money) and after opening my packs and getting dick all but the minimum 2 legendaries and a few epics I decided I'd rather set a pile of money on fire than grind enough to make a half-playable deck because at least that would only take 20 minutes instead of hundreds of hours.
What's weird about Magic is the company can go out of business and your cards still exist. And in fact, them going out of business will probably increase the resale value of the cards 🙂
If Hasbro/WotC go bankrupt and no one purchases the MTG IP, I firmly believe it'll keep existing. The only formats I see disappearing entirely is Draft but people make Cubes all the time so it'll still live somewhat through that.
I mean Vintage is still an actually played format despite every deck being 1/3 the same, why would it die just from no new cards being added?
Hell now without the DCI being a pain in the ass you can actually proxie your Black Lotuses.
Dunno, last I heard of Vintage was the Lurrus shitshow. I every now and then watch some videos about cards and sets and I am surprised by the amount of seemingly harmless cards that have somehow weasled into Vintage Top 8s.
Oh right Companion in general kinda busted open some Eternal formats didn't it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well Lurrus did what no card in Vintage should do, looping back restricted cards, without it being restricted, and you already had it in every opening hand so restricting means shit. How noone saw that one coming is besides me. Every Vintage deck is already sub 1CMC average.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I have to imagine they just don't even take Vintage and Legacy into account when making new cards, because how COULD they? It's such a small pool of players. Modern occasionally gets some cards pushed for it (and explicitly sometimes there's Modern-only sets) but Eternal formats tend to be "Commander stuff and sometimes something slips through the cracks as a really good card in Legacy/Vintage".
I played the shit out of Shadowverse when it first came out. Game was a direct upgrade in many things from Hearthstone, but it was designed to be played every single day or else you would miss out on the meta. I ended out quitting because at the end it wasn't too different from being a gacha slave.
Holy crap your post made me remember when this game came out and people were spamming it in hs thread too so I checked if it still has a thread on vg and not only does It's much, much faster than /hsg....
NTA, but /hsg/ is on life support.
Its a miracle is still there.
As for shadowverse, looked to weeby for me. I have built tolerance but there's no way I would enter one of these games after so long
The correct way to play hearthstone:
Play Ladder for 1 week when a new expansion comes out. Perhaps slightly longer if you actually enjoy the meta. All other times play only arena and tavern brawl.
i just play battlegrounds every now and then. it's fun until you find out what the exodia build is, but they're at least decent enough to update the pools pretty often
k
5 years ago, this was insanely OP. Today it would be more like
>mana 1 Quest card; play 2 cards
>Reward, hero power upgrade: transform a minion into a 1/1 sheep
And the 1/1 sheep has a rainbow flag behind it.
This card was never op. Even in basic it was considered too expensive.
It was broken as frick in arena.
hard clear is always broken in arena
it still was great in the sense it was very threatening and people had to play around it. The card now is useless since your opponent can just keep discovering minions that discover other minions on top of having a good onboard effects
>Deals the deathblow to your game.
Heh, niffin personel gay
>they nerfed the twig instead of this
remember how original druid death knight was played in every druid (even wild for quite a while) just because it was a straightforward upgrade at a decent price?
i remember
While obviously awful, nothing sounds quite like a deathrattle like adding more classes. They even jumped the shark with DUDE ILLIDAN IS SO COOL class first, what a joke.
yeah especially death knight release was extremely desperate move, they didnt want to add that ever
yeah makes sense, people were clamoring for death knight since hs first came out but in classic blizzard fashion they had to wait for the game to die before finally giving people what they actually wanted all along
>game lived and died before monk was even considered as a class
NEVER EVER FURBlack folk
Honestly wouldn't mind if it wasn't tied to panda stuff, I just like monks in fantasy settings.
What happened that caused people to dislike the concept of pandaren so much?
I thought people really liked pandaren Brewster in wc3, and and also remember a decent amount of people thinking pandaren in wow would be cool.
Was it just kung-fu panda coming out that ruined the idea, even if the movie came out AFTER Brewster in WC3?
>Was it just kung-fu panda coming out that ruined the idea,
Yes. By MoP you had a sizeable portion of WoW's playerbase who never played WC3 or even knew about it. Seeing Panda people do martial arts made said people immediately jump to kung fu Panda and Asian/Chinese market pandering.
DK is also just a conceptually bad class and terrible for the health of the game in the future.
>>Lmao what if you just didn't have access to 2/3rds of your card pool at all times?
Garbage idea when you consider that expansions have to be released, all ways of "solving" the problem of adding now DK cards to the pool are terrible.
>Just focus on one rune each expansion (what they went with)
Woah! This defeats the entire point of the class. Great.
>Print more DK cards
Woah! Now you are more likely to get DK cards when you open packs even if you don't want them.
>Spread cards evenly over the runes
Means that DK effectively only has like 3 cards every expansion.
only 1/3rd of your card pool is balanced because the high rune requirement cards are better!
Very cool in theory. One problem. Now neutrals can NEVER be strong again. Because if neutrals are strong that means DK with is just the best class to put those neutrals in.
>set your maximum mana to 20
How the frick is that fair for druid.
Because every other class had equally broken cards too.
No it fricking doesnt this card still dominates.
This game has been nicknamed Druidstone by the fans for a reason, they always have the busted shit.
Half the expansions the meta revolves around solving the Druid decks. Frick them. Their decks are fun tho.
You know what's fun ?
It was confirmed that the devs have a biased for Druids, hence them getting all the busted shit
yeah thought so,
They were a b***h to beat even in classic, having draw power and putting big sacks of crap you couldn't get through unless you traded your whole board
Fun to play if you were the opposite side. but ive always preferred quick games
I miss having access to 18 free face damage for just two cards. Don't worry their board was always clear because I'd have thrown down at least one Fel Reaver because either the game ended at turn 8? or I lost. That bullshit got me almost to legend tier.
Thats twenty mana anon the hell is more broken then twenty mana?
you don't get that mana immediately dumbass
>innervate and wild growth arent a thing to reach it faster
Even worse, that card changes your hero power to "Choose One: Draw a card, or gain an empty mana crystal".
>even worse
that was the bread and butter of druid to ramp up
And? you make it seem like they dont have taunts up the ass to keep you from their face and heal
still takes at least 3 more turns for the card to do anything ever
Suspend 9 Mirari's Wake is not a good card anon.
what the frick is that? good thing i quit this game 6 years ago or something
>
> doesnt shit up their res pool
unironically worse
This is what I am calling GOOD desing.
>flavorful
>powerful
>fair
yes, yes it is.
people talk about powercreep but mtg has gotten better over time, old cards were cancer and people who play vintage should be raped and murdered
It helps that MTG in general has more formats available. People who wanna play obscenely busted decks play Vintage. People who wanna do stuff from over a long time period play Modern. People who just wanna play newer stuff play Standard. And then there's shit like Commander and even sort of 'Modern variants' like whatever the frick Pioneer is.
>people talk about powercreep but mtg has gotten better over time, old cards were cancer and people who play vintage should be raped and murdered
In Modern, the most popular competitive format, the top played cards are mostly those printed in the "Modern Horizions" sets and the Lord of the Rings set(which is modern legal.)
The cards you're complaining about in vintage where mostly printed almost three decades ago.
Modern survived for YEARS as a card gaming format that had balance hiccups(Eldrazi winter, Pod Meta, ect.), but ultimately, you could bring your fringe modern deck to a Friday night event and have a good time.
Good luck doing that now that people are playing Elemental incarnations, The One Ring, Orchish bowmasters, Ragavan, and much more crap that's just BETTER without being interesting.
Meanwhile, every vintage player I've encountered encourages proxying and is jolly up and down.
>modern is a diverse format that changes with new cards
>vintage is everyone proxying the most broken shit ever printed because anything else auto loses
thanks for proving my point. There's a reason you freaks are segregated in your cesspit. btw you should be aware that vintage is the least played format and modern is the second most played format behind edh
>the most skillful and fun format that filters out kids and normieBlack folk
you say that like it's a bad thing. sounds like you're one of those that people used to gatekeep their hobbies from.
>vintage
>skillful
Damn, I know wannabe richgays are deluded but holy hell
What about Legacy then? I imagine it has more variety without the P9 everywhere, and I know it gets shaked a lot more from all the >we broke legacy again memes.
holy delusion batman
While the current powercreep isn't on the same level as vintage staples (most of the time), the output of broken cards has been WAY higher since FIRE became a thing
More like BORING over time.
Even most art is now your generic soulless fantasy slop that might just as well be from AI prompts.
>return to owner's deck only when game is over
Was this a clumsy way to say that you don't really lose the card or was there some other card that restarts the game and thereby resets the exile?
you used to have to ante some of your cards in the very beginning of magic but that got changed quick
Stopped playing this seven years ago or something.
>is absolute kino in your face
frick no, this meta was cancer along with Gadgetzan
*sip* Now THAT was a good expansion
>get raped by Zoolock
>Paladin pulls out 10/10 cards turn 3
>elemental dmg burst shaman with 6/6 fireball battlecry mob and murlocs adaptations
>token druid adaptation spam dead turn 4 with living mana 2/2’s
>Nether portal turn 5 warlock that destroys your deck immediately
>OTK mage with 4 apprentice wizard duplicates, +1 turn and archmage
>turn two rogue quest done and they pull 5/5 1 mana charge boars
EXODIA, OBLITERATEEEE
This was unironically my favourite deck during this set, it felt so cool trying to win with whatever tome and glyph gave you. It was a good thing it was so shit and scarce because people would have complaied a lot otherwise.
Now it's
>Get raped by ZOOgaras
>Paladin sharts out a billion divine shield turn 5
>Totem Nature burst shaman
>Symphony warlock turn 5 that destroys your wincon immediately
>OTK mage with SIF and 5 created by arcane bolts
>Turn two rogue mech snowball as they create a 10/10 windfury reborn replicator
Its funny that despite the power creep, the feeling is still the same
Kino.
miss this guy, what's he up to now?
He's working on Marvel Snap.
He made his own company that made Marvel Snap.
oh shit, didn't realize he was behind Marvel Snap. I've watched it played before but never paid much attention. is it any good?
Can't say I've personally played it but from what my friends who do say about it, Ben Brode's touch is obvious in the game.
Like any DCG it's designed to psychologically frick you.
I've sunk ~35 hours into it. I think it's fun. Matches are a lot shorter than hearthstone, and there's a lot more RNG I think. The artwork is also a lot nicer, and it's less pay-to-win.
This and Blackrock mountain Dragon Priest were the most fun I’ve had with Hearthstone. Kino indeed.
>mfw remembering all the fun I had with my murloc deck
>murloc knight
>all those moronic caveman murlocs
>everyfin is awesome
i wanna go back
This. Absolute cancer expansion.
Exactly when I realized the game would never become better and left.
Apparently the bots nowadays can fully emulate human behavior and grind to rank 2 easily, so basically it's all bots and mobile shitters on the entire ladder.
Best meta, easily.
Too slow now-a-days. For four mana you can clear the board and get about 32/32 worth of stats on your side of the board.
its still a good card but reverb is way better for just one mana more (effectively)
Was the 7 (or was it 9 been years) minion limit changed? That looks like shit if not.
The card is primarily used for removal. In 90% of use cases you cast it on an enemy minion so you can kill it with a single point of damage.
Getting your own copy of that minion is then a bonus on top of that (even if it also dies to 1 point of damage, since you force the opponent to have to deal that damage)
Sorry, read it quickly and without much attention and though it said each minion.
>reverbing your own darkhan
>reverbing and pinging any titan except sergeras (and might be even good with him if they have a board and nether is still up)
>reverbing rush minions
etc
reverb is such a powerful card I really dont know why its not 4 mana
Same energy
For me? It was KOTFT
>4 orks
3.5 orcs*
There are no half ork presses
bruh rexxar is literally half ogre
what's the other half?
Read both posts and you should be able to figure it out.
Fat ogre wiener
he should be bigger than the others, i remember him being frickhuge in w3, but nowadays they don't really discern him from regular orcs
he often is in fairness, i guess they just dropped the ball a little with the image in question
The rogue hero was also originally going to be an orc, and they only changed it when they realized over half the cast was 1 race.
Name one warrior that's more iconic than Grommash and Garrosh in WoW, or a Warlock/Shaman as iconic as Gul'dann and Thrall.
Varus
Varian. Also, 'iconic' doesn't matter beyond, like, Jaina and Anduin because they pulled a very deep cut literal who for Rogue. Nobody knew who the frick Valeera was before Hearthstone.
>Varian
He ended up being one of the first legendary cards for warrior along Grommash, and again I'd say most people knew Grommash/Garrosh more than him.
>Jaina
>literal who
Huh?
Anduin and Valeria is fair enough, but it's not like there are a lot of relevant rogues and priests in the game.
There's what, the leader of SI:7 and maybe that priestess from scarlet monastery?
I meant, BEYOND Jaina and Anduin (and I guess Thrall), the classes being iconic characters didn't matter too much because those were arguably the most iconic ones to pull. Really, the general people don't know THAT many Warcraft characters besides Jaina, Arthas and Thrall. Anduin was always a 'big name' character so he had to be in, but Valeera was a literal who pull.
They should have made Magni the default warrior, since it would have fixed some of the race variety (there were already 3 other orcs but no dwarves) and the warrior hero power giving armor is way more appropriate for a heavily armored warrior like Magni than a guy who doesn't even wear a shirt like Garrosh.
Enjoy Magni as one of the first paid heroes skin, lol.
It is funny how they have almost an embarassment of riches with some classes to pull alts for, and then some like Rogue are so scarce they basically just kind of awkwardly retrofit some (was Maiev particularly 'Rogue-y' at all?) before saying "frick it" and putting Garona in as a skin because she's the only Rogue that seems to actually exist that matters.
Lol, if anything Maiev was more of a hunter.
Yeah, they were pretty desperate, all they had to do was make some literal who of ok importance like Noggenfogger or fricking Moroes from Kharazan, who was an easy pick.
It is just kinda funny, but I guess Rogue as a character archetype is one that doesn't do a lot in story. Garona was an assassin, sure, but that was kind of it and she stopped mattering after doing the one assassination and having a now-retconned kid with Medivh.
It should have been Vanessa.
Oh but then there would have been 4 playable humans, and that's just unacceptable for any race that isn't orc.
Kinda surprised they eventually picked Edwin instead of Vanessa for an alt skin, but I guess Edwin was more popular in HS itself because of
>THE BROTHERHOOD SHALL PREVAIL
>18/18 on turn 6
Maiev in wc3 is melee and has fan of knives as one ability..
Needs less h*mans
>surrender your will to the kabal
>the light has betrayed me
>pings you to death
I only play priest and I hated it. I hate the heavy control decks with 20 clears anyways but Raza Priest happened to also be tier 0 at one point so you basically had no reason to not be playing it.
You're moronic. Control is the only good archetype, with highlander being the most fun.
Control is fun, if you’re not priest.
Arthas boss fights for every class was kino.
The mage murloc deck that heals by lifestealing was especially great.
I remember trying to do the run with budget decks and restarting the game 50 times to get the perfect mage hand lmao. Still my favourite portrait to this day.
DK Rogue was fun as frick to play
>15/3 lifesteal weapon
even DK Priest had problems trying to kill us.
YAHARRRR
It's time to click some faces!
>*kaboom*
EYE'M IN CHARGE NOW
>*kaboom*
EYE'M IN CHARGE NOW
I hate Blizzard.
>Still playing this rng fiesta
>rng
It's not RNG, and this card is the proof.
Yea I really feel like the game just decides like ok you just lost so now we give you good draws this game and the opposite after you win.
Back when I was really interested in climbing the ladder in ranked I didnt even need specific cards for proof. Once you play long enough you can practically tell from your opening hand when the game wants you to lose. Game is rigged bullshit, not RNG.
I quit in gadgetzan what does this card do?
It lets you pick between 3 cards which all just so happen to be very very good for the current situation. The joke is that this proves that Blizzard has some sort of system in place that can tell what cards are good and what not meaning that they could use this system to force 50:50 winrates.
Everything. Roughly.
Basically it has a pool of cards, run the Hearthstone's AI on all of them, and let you pick between the 3 that the solo game AI would play the most.
On an empty board it's pretty meh, but it has a knack to find the one card that could give you lethal out of nowhere.
Or to NOT give you the card you would obviously want from his pool in whatever situation you are. Zephyr is playful like that.
But yeah, it's a tremendously good card if you can afford the drawback.
It's 2 mana: draw a standard card that will at least save you and at best win the game.
As an example, if your opponent had 6 hp, it will discover a Leoroy or fireball.
So it's even worse than RNG, if it was random oh well at least you know you had fair chances, meanwhile you're telling me the game clearly has some working algorithms that can understand how to change the tides of a match
Reno decks were so fun
Stormwind was so broken the game was total kino, admit it
>plays 40 cards in a turn and ropes
>you get two
Two WHAT? you have to be specific when writing card rules!
One of the few things I appreciate about hearthstone, it uses simple intuitive human words to describe its effects
>mtg card: after you spend the necessary mana to play the "Loan Shark" card from your hand into the battlefield under your control, choose an opponent, that opponent adds a 0 mana cost "Coin" colorless neutral sorcery card with "add 1 (one) to your current mana total this turn only" to their hand, after "Loan Shark" is killed by combat or spell effects add two 0 mana cost......
MTG doesn't have a computer that can enforce rules so you have to write the invisible rules on the card itself to prevent confusion.
Left HS during the Created By meta, is that still going on?
>When Loan Shark enters the battlefiend, target opponent creates a Coin Token (It is a colorless Artifact with Tap: Add one colorless mana).
When Loan Shark leaves the battlefield, create two Coin Tokens.
Not that bad.
HS homosexuals deserve everything that has happened to them
I definitely deserved that kino single-player adventures.
Ladder gays can suck my wiener.
EVERRYONE GET IN HERE
Hearthstone was dead to me the very moment they released these story dungeon dlcs that had new overpowered cards in them. About 2 story dlcs in and my default Warlock was already unplayable. I quit and many, many years later I installed it again just to see how bad it's gotten and the first game i encounter a dude with a set of combo cards I've never seen before that kills me by round 3. Frick nu-Blizz, they destroyed every franchise, every single one.
>the game should just be 100% free
Are you stupid? Besides those dungeons only cost 1000 gold to unlock iirc.
>packs with power creep cards weren't making enough money so they had to add $20 ""story"" content that gives power creep cards
old dungeons were good value tho
and you really sound completely clueless about card games
nice paypig cope, i bet you are a Star Citizen cultist too, homosexual.
Did you even play the game? Normally you buy packs for 100 gold and they can contain lots of trash. With dungeons you pay 1000 gold for guaranteed meta cards.
I quit the moment they retired cards that i had spent money purchasing
>but all card games do this!
Dont care, im not paying for dlc thats rendered invalid every couple of years.
last good expansion
They started printing some fun looking cards for a while but now it seems like they're slowly regressing into moronic "le randomly random effects" and brain dead "if you are playing [archetype] draw three cards/deal 10 damage :OOOOOOO"
>replaces charge for rush
Sorry aggro decks :^)
The aesthetic the game had around one night in kazahkstan or fricking whatever and the league of explorers was incredible.
then they had like three shitty dinosaur and fricking goblin expansions back to back? boring. totally killed the game for me
the /vg/ was awful in a good way, too.
>7 years old
What's the current state of hearthstone? I played last maybe six years ago, and it was addictive and a blast
Absolute garbage, the entire old dev team is gone and what repleaced them were a bunch of ex 'pros', casters and shitters who were too bad for modern wow. Almost every decision they make is based around adding something new to the game that can be monetized, they have added so many new things to buy like 3d portraits, coin skins, battlepass, two more types of cosmetic cards that are similar to golden cards etc. Complete and utter shitfest. Unironically the last time the game was fun was like saviours of uldum and that was like 4 years ago. Oh, and the game is infested with bots, both blizzard and just china ones since blizzard games can't operate in china anymore.
its the best TCG right now by a long shot
its unironically based
I dunno, I prefer Yu-Gi-Oh! with morons from Ganker.
It's more fun than before because it got more interactions but doomposters don't wanna admit it that playing plain vanilla cards on curve was never fun.
Twist is fun, fricked around with some homebrew dragon priest decks and that was enjoyable but ladder is beyond fricked. All the extra modes apart from BG were also a massive waste of resources at this point they’re all dead.
You either lose on turn 3 or 60 with no inbetween, the power gap between free and optimized (whale) decks has never been wider because everything, SPECIALLY legendaries has steadily been powercreeped to frick, there is no point in getting into or returning to hearthstone unless you're willing to fork out hundreds of dollars up front, the game's pay to win and the f2p experience is miserable
Or alternatively you just netdeck the cheapest top deck and farm easy wins.
it has been bad for years. you can play 5 Marvel Snap matches in the time it takes to play 1 Hearthstone match that you know you are going to lose from the beginning.
Aggro tries to kill by turn 4-5, mech rogue for example can build a couple 10/10 stealth windfury minions on turn 4 for the win on turn 5. Control decks are either Warrior stalling until they draw their 50 damage from hand combo or Warlock stalling until they can start dropping 12/14 in stats every turn for 2 mana. Midrange and tempo are just inferior to aggro and control right now so they're basically free wins for the above decks
My favorite part of modern Hearthstone is bot lobbies :^)
>bot lobbies
I haven't played in years, is this some China shit since their servers went offline?
Well if you play ranked you'll play with tons of bots.
>What's the current state of hearthstone?
It's so bad most israelitetubers making their entire living from it didn't have the will to keep playing.
It's so bad the most played part unironically is a mini-game that just re-use the UI and has next to jackshit to do with card games.
The most popular Hearthstone mode is battlegrounds. And that is all you need to know
It's because they did nothing to stop netdecking and worse they started rewarding whales. Personally if I was the dev I would've put netdeckers on netdecker island. The more optimized your deck (and common it is) the more likely you'd play games on netdeck island. Then the other people playing wacky decks can finally have peace.
>muh netdecking
Anon, it was already nothing but that in Vanilla.
Removing netdecking won't fix the game being now overfilled with bullshit cards.
Penalizing netdecking (or rather put them on netdecker island) does fix the game as people who want to engage in the deckbuilding side of the game without having to play against the same 5 or 6 meta decks. It's like you don't even know why the game sucks. Part of the appeal of any deckbuilder is the fact you don't have access to every card so you have to make compromises. So I didn't say remove netdecking, I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
>I said put them in netdeck hell where they can play each other.
That system already exists, it's called "ranked mode".
People with good decks will actually win their matches and climb to high ranks where they play other people with good decks.
People with shit decks will lose and plummet to the bottom ranks where they can play other people with shit decks.
People netdeck in wild and casual modes you piece of shit. Frick off I hate people like you. No, you play on netdeck island with the other neckdecks. The algorithm is strictly based on how common your deck is. So if you netdeck, you play with netdecks.
anon what do you think this card was
They knew netdecking was a thing and wanted to remedy it, but people who want to netdeck will netdeck. And they climbed ranks with said deck
Even Reno decks wound up with standardized lists.
Because guess what, people want to use good cards so they can actually win the game, and that means they will inevitably gravitate towards using the same good cards.
>reno
Right, i thought for sure that would fix netdecking
But good cards and decks inevitably dominate
Yeah, so you put them in Netdecker hell, they can climb ranks against each other :^)
If you homebrew decks you are already at an advantage, considering you are not building utter shit. Netdecking means the opponent knows every single card you run so I cannot fathom how you find it annoying. Most decent players will customise the decks to their rank/slash most frequent matchups.
Or I can just put in you Netdecker Hell and you can play against all other same decks. The best part is it's also a deck elo system, the more common/successful the deck the more likely it's a good deck. Also Netdecker Hell rewards homebrew, so it's a win/win.
Seething and obsessed.
I wish your demands could be met, just so you could face how still utterly garbage nu-Heartstone is even without netdecking.
Yeah have a diverse set of opponents to play against in a card game is awful! I already know modern Hearthstone sucks, but if this was done years ago maybe it wouldn't be like this today.
Literally the worst of all the digital card games, in both gameplay and economy.
The game had been going downhill for me but the final nail in the coffin was Shudderwock
Faeria was a much better MtG knockoff and it's a shame it died
I want to go back
Was great until the first DLC launched then it became shit.
Remainder that Mercenaries mode can be used to farm lots of xp and gold
>Open Mercs mode
>Select the 1st level
>Choose the 1st or 2nd encounter
>Send heroes with AOE abilities that can instakill the encounter
>As the fight begins, wait AFK for 30 minutes
>Kill everyone and gain XP (Based on game length)
>Repeat
Yeah but then you are playing mercenaries instead of pretending it doesn't exist.
That's why you just download a to play it for you and leave it running on a laptop all day.
>As the fight begins, wait AFK for 30 minutes
What does this do?
Just wait for /ourboy/ to save the CCG genre.
what happened to his game? it looked like a good concept but its been like half a decade?
Development hell because Reynad had no clear idea on what he wanted out of the game in the early design stages.
figures, i got the feeling that the worst aspect would have been him completely underestimating the undertaking scope of creating a whole game
It's over.
He's still alive? I haven't followed anything HS in years.
Just checked the reddit for this, looks like they trashed all the ccg stuff and it's an autobattler now.
At one point he even tried to incorporate NFTs into it.
But then the entire NFT market bubbled and collapsed faster than he could even figure out how to implement them.
The game is vaporware. Reynad is a smug c**t who assumed he would just automatically be able to make a better card game than hearthstone just because he could point out problems with hearthstone. It'll probably never come out because it turns out Reynad lacked both the technical and creative skill to make a game and is desperately fumbling from 1 trend chasing idea to another, never properly realizing any of them. If it ever does come out, it'll be dead in the water since digital card games are already dying and all of Reynads old hearthstone fame has evaporated.
The only online card game I play is Runeterra for about a week after each major patch. I'm still sitting on a massive pile of wildcards and shards from when I played regularly and can craft literally any deck I want.
I play LoR, though almost exclusively path of champions. It's damn fun, actually.
Any other Legends of Runeterra players? Granted, I mostly just play the vs AI mode
Yeah, but the rate of new champs is the bare minimum and so are the new challenges
Used it play it but i always get bored of doing daily shit in any game. If i had to pick a digital cardgame though it would be that.
>even trump dropped the game
BOW DOWN
BEFORE THE GOD OF DEEEATH
*Tree of Life*
Any good youtube channels for watching wacky decks?
Not anymore, Disguised Toast used to be decent. Most of the good Hearthstone channels moved on at this point.
Disguised Toast crashed when he went full nihilist.
He doesnt even do hearthstone videos anymore does he? Last i saw he quit and was playing among us or league of legends
I don't know, I stopped watching him when it looked like he was going to put a shotgun in his mouth at any moment and he played games like a fast food worker about to spit in people's food and quit.
Damn he seemed so carefree in the Hearthstone days. What the frick happened?
Hearthstone got really shitty and he started to really hate the game I think. But to be fair I don't know how Kripp plays that pile of turd for years straight. But part of being an entertainer is faking it plus they're making six figures playing games, I can have fun doing that.
Kripp looks and plays games like a zombie, i dont think hes a human anymore
Kripp is for putting you to sleep, he knows his time slot.
>But part of being an entertainer is faking it plus they're making six figures playing games, I can have fun doing that.
never understood how many of these weak-willed streamers cry and complain about playing bad games for a living. like, I understand it being frustrating but are you serious dude? they act like a child throwing a temper tantrum because they can't get exactly what they want. especially for the clique that disguised toast is now in, it's filled with the dumbest frickers in the industry. imagine 30+ people forming a streaming group, which would have the ability to work anywhere in the world, and stuffing them all in the most expensive city in the united states. just literal children throwing away money so they can have their "dream life" instead of acting smart
too much hearthstone, if you followed him he got increasingly tired of playing it thats why he quit and went to other games well that and apparently blizzard drama involving them forcing him to pay out of pocket for a tournament or something.
Supposedly he's much better now, but i wouldn't know i stopped watching him too around that time.
The ban over him testing the game crash exploit was probably the beginning of the end. Then the Hong Kong shit happened directly after which probably pissed him off further and was also around the time where Blizzard was spiralling downwards.
the real sheep were the friends we made along the way
wow has been a disaster for warcraft
Has been ever since BC, a lot of people just don't want to admit BC fricking sucked.
It started to get fricky the moment Undead joined the horde and it wasn't a secret ploy by Old Horde Warlocks to take control of them with necromantic magiks.
Night Elves on the Alliance made no sense either, they just wanted everyone to frick off and stay out of their forest.
Blizzardgays are incomprehensible to me
2/3 of their popular franchises are literally just plagiarism of Warhammer
Their aesthetic is ugly
There were other games doing essentially the same thing when theirs came out and blew up in success
They just kept lucking into success for like 15 years then when they became big enough that they couldn't get away with ripping shit off after ripping off Everquest they ran all their shitty ripoff franchises into the ground
Their biggest "original" idea (Diablo) was basically the progenitor of shitty mobile game grindfests today.
They released good games, unlike GW who only cares for their IP as long as it helps them sell tabletop figures.
The games that made them successful were the 90s/early 2000s version of movie games
They took genres that already had all the work done on them and just added shitty FMVs to them to tell a shitty Hollywood story in between their ripoff gameplay
Blizzard is the dumbest company in existence to have become as successful as they are
>nooooo you HAVE to reinvent the wheel!
Their games were good, what's the problem? Who gives a shit if it's ripped off generic fantasy shit, people clearly enjoy the setting.
So why do people shit on crap like Lords of the Fallen but Blizzard gets a pass for making way more money being just as blatant?
They could have made fantasy or scifi RTSes about actual original ideas but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead. I don't even like Warhammer either but the blatant ripoffery is galling.
>everyone has to love everything all the time
Why are you so fragile? You're busy shitting on Blizzard and you're mad people are shitting on Lords of the Fallen? Do you lack self-awareness?
>You're busy shitting on Blizzard and you're mad people are shitting on Lords of the Fallen?
Do you lack reading comprehension?
The point is they're both fricking ripoffs yet people immediately shat on one but pretend the other is good when they both plagiarized and ran their plagiarized franchises into the ground.
This sounds like a personal issue and you should have self-reflection. People not loving your shitty game isn't a personal attack. I can't believe you're so fragile that the mere idea someone liked something and disliked something else detracts from your own personal enjoyment. You lack the nuance that you demand of other people and thus are part of the problem. I don't even believe you objectively assessed how much people like Blizzard games. If you like Lords of the Fallen, go ahead, why does it matter if some people on the internet says its a rip-off. Have you forgotten that some of those people are literally 12 years old?
>This sounds like a personal issue and you should have self-reflection. People not loving your shitty game isn't a personal attack.
Stopped there
You're too moronic to even understand basic English
Of course you stopped there because you know it's a you problem. People calling Lords of a Fallen a knock-off doesn't make it a worse game. Even better given the Dark Souls crowd are emotional 14 year olds whose only accomplishment in life is grinding through a video game.
To be fair, Lords of the Fallen was NOT a good game.
>So why do people shit on crap like Lords of the Fallen but Blizzard gets a pass for making way more money being just as blatant?
Never played it or followed news surrounding it but I would assume it's because DS defined the genre and most people think only From makes those kinds of games while RTS was a well established genre with multiple studios developing RTS games so Blizzard entering the market just made them one of many instead of a studio trying to ape the latest smash hit? I wouldn't care in either case, if LotF is a good game then it's a good game, knockoff or not.
>
They could have made fantasy or scifi RTSes about actual original ideas but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead. I don't even like Warhammer either but the blatant ripoffery is galling.
Their ideas are obviously heavily inspired by Warhammer but unique enough on their own that you should give a shit. GW was never going to develop Starcraft so just be happy one studio actually did.
Because Blizzard took gameplay concepts and made them better or took the themes and gave them more mainstream appeal. Lords of the Fallen had a less interesting world and worse gameplay than Souls while not differentiating itself in a meaningful way. As an example, Remnant gets a pass as a Soulslike because it's a third person shooter with a very different setting and mechanics.
I'm not about to defend modern Blizzard though, the company is a shitshow with or without that lawsuit.
>but they chose to rip off Warhammer instead
Weren't they half-way through making a Warhammer RTS before they lost the rights, which they then spun into Warcraft?
Might as well call Halo a Starcraft rip-off since the Flood and Covenant are just Zerg and Protoss.
>their biggest original idea
Diablo was created by a whole other team of people that blizzard pulled into them and then called "blizzard north".
>Still posting the fanart
You could actually just post art that's in game from the artist lmao.
posting the fanart makes the uzbeki eurotrash seethe harder
>that amazing feeling of dropping a Mountain Giant turn 4 while playing Handlock
Take me fricking back boys
For me it's matching against handlocks with mill rogue.
And now it's a Turn 5 Sargeras.
Shartstone came out almost 10 years ago.
>polymorph a 5 drop
>next time they play a 4 drop that's better than the 5 drop
>and then two 3 drops
All with rng effects of course
Isn't it strange that almost every card game starts tanking and dying because of unchecked powercreep, but everyone still does it? Nobody gives a shit about hearthstone after all the discover and combo shit.
MTG somehow manages to keep trucking on. Sunk cost, maybe, or maybe it's because the most popular format doesn't really care much for power creep because there's sort of agreed-upon power levels you play at.
>MTG somehow manages to keep trucking on
You don't have to go quite as wild with the power creep and more importantly can still constantly sell cardboard when cards rotate out of the tournament format after however long.
Cards rotate in Hearthstone too and yet it power-creeps like crazy.
I can guarantee Magic would not be as finically healthy as it is right now without commander. There's a reason Wizard's started pandering to the EDH players so hard.
mtg endures because it successfully established itself as an eccentric rich people hobby. Much like boomers buying a rolex to flex at each other wealthy nerds buy expensive magic cards for the sole purpose of appearing wealthy to other nerds
>but that's stupid
rich people are fricking moronic
That's pretty much a law for any game whose business model run on "buy new thing while old thing is still working".
It mean "new thing" need to be better than old thing in at least *some* way.
>Still playing Blizzardshit in 2023
>criticizes blizzshit
>shills the card game from riot
>the company that is 90% ex blizzard devs
You're a bigger moron than WoWtards
Nah he's nowhere near that bad.
much worse, infact.
>t. Blizzdrone
>Be Anduin.
>Be the Priest default character
>Somehow get less skins than Tyrande because she's more well known and Elves are popular in Asia.
>Anduin skins can't decide if they want him to be himbo pretty boy, or pic related.
Still disappointed the Legendary skin slot was wasted on Tyrande when it could've been Velen
I feel like the legendary skins being characters that already have skins was a bit of a waste. The Arthas one I'll give at least a pass because we didn't have "Arthas as Death Knight but before Lich King-ing up", but Sylvanas and Tyrande didn't need legendary skins. Doesn't help Tyrande's is just ugly.
I get their reasoning for Arthas, Sylvansas and Tyrande. It's versions of the characters that could essentially be considered their own characters/things.
But there was so many better choices for both Priest and Hunter. Suppose they wanted living Sylvanas to go with Arthas, but the fact Tyrande got a 3D skin over Velen who hasn't had one in the games 10 year life span, is just sad
>sexy big boob elf lady everyone knows and loves
OR
>old bearded blue goat man nobody cares about
Which would you expect to sell more skins? There's why blizzard chose Tyrande over Velen.
If that was the mentality they were going with, they wouldn't have done Blingatron for Rogue, C'thun for Druid and Varian for Warrior.
Rafaam was gonna sell either way as he's a popular HS OC.
It's a garbage version of Tyrande though.
>stronk boss wahmen
I love current day.
They all look like garbage frankly.
Bad 3d sexy lady still has more appeal than bad 3d goat man.
I think the Rafaam one looks good because it's 3D, sure, but it's cartoonishly done and Rafaam animates well. The C'thun one's cool too just because it breaks a lot of the boundaries, but it's also just... A lot.
>They all look bad.
Rafaam knows we're all gonna make it, bruh
>sexy big boob elf lady
Please this is nu-blizzard we're talking about, the we would stand aside and let a woman kill herself because we're cowards
So now we need to censor breasts because its (You) the players fault that we didn't have any balls to stand up for her.
No exaggerations were made this is what Blizzard employees really believe
Anduin bussy!
>I couldn't adapt to the meta and Blizzard is to blame: the thread
HS is objectively in the best state it's ever been with the constant patches and mini-sets. Back in the day the devs literally didn't give a frick and you could have 1 (one) OP deck reigning supreme for almost a year
>Best state it's been.
No it isn't. I remember when minisets were given away with PVE challenge content. That was a far better time.
I love games that force me to either grind 100 hours or pay $100 to be competitive.
By card game standards $100 to be competitive is a fricking bargain.
In MTG you'd be paying +$100 for ONE copy of a card (of which you often need 4), and that's just 4 cards, you've got another 56 to go before you have a competitive deck.
>getting shit on is a bargain
Play a real game
My point is that all card games are scams, but HS is one of the cheapest.
Why did you ever even try to get into card games to begin with if you hate the idea of having to continuously buy new stuff to keep up when that's been an open fact about the genre since it's inception in the 90s?
Unlike Hearthstone you can play MTG non-competitively and take your shitty deck to any card shop and not worry about playing $1000 decks. Well at least that was how it was when I played 15 years ago. Maybe everyone's spending $1000 on decks now, guess that tracks with you spending $100 on Hearthstone like an addict.
And how much did your shitty MTG deck cost? It wasn't free just because it was shitty you know.
There's also nothing stopping you from playing HS non-competitively with a free shitty deck, you'll just lose a lot, exactly like you would if you tried to play with a cheap shitty deck in any card game. Actually, HS does give new players a free meta deck when they start the game nowadays, what kind of free stuff does MTG give players? How many free packs can you earn in a day by playing MTG at your local store?
You're never going to defend spending money on a DCG. And you ignored my point, in Hearthstone you play against $200+ decks all the time, in Casual, in Ranked, in Wild, wherever. In Magic you can make a competitive deck for the buy-in price at Friday Night Magic and actually have fun with real people. You're just completely in a new world and every day every $10 you spend on DCGs make you even farther down the rabbit hole. It doesn't matter how many free cards Hearthstone gives you, you have to either do hundreds of hours of grinding or pay hundreds of dollars in imaginary boosters with no resell value. But don't worry whale, I'm sure you spent your money well on your imaginary card collection.
>In Magic you can make a competitive deck for the buy-in price at Friday Night Magic
lol
lmao even
Individual CARDS can easily run up to $200 in magic. And no matter how hard you cope with "muh resale", their value plummets once they get banned/rotated out and you'll be lucky to sell it off for 10% of what you paid for it (which you won't do to begin with by the way).
Face it homosexual, you're the whale.
I don't need to autistically collect $200 cards.
>he says this like it's a good thing
Anon, please grow up. You're buying pieces of paper. It's even worse for DCG, you're buying digital pretend pieces of paper that disappear the second they shut down the Hearthstone servers. At least with my old MTG collection I can play with them with my kids.
>disappear the second they shut down the Hearthstone servers
and your cards disappear if your house burns down
see? I can make up moronic scenarios that'll never happen too
The Hearthstone shutting down is guaranteed. My real life card collection is not guaranteed to burn in a fire. Hearthstone will not exist in 20 years.
you're guaranteed to be homeless in 20 years
see? I can pull shit out of my ass too
Yeah anon, you're betting that Hearthstone will be around in 20 years? 30 years? 50 years?
Blizzard is running money as it is.
And you know what they're actually going to do. The real kicker: Hearthstone 2. Don't worry they migrated your account and gave you a 10,000 Dust welcome bonus.
:):):)
two more weeks
For the game in a death spiral whose most popular mode is actually a spin-off?
but enough about mtg arena
Be honest bro, how much total money have you spent on MTG over the course of your lifetime?
It's thousands isn't it. And that's not even above average for a magic player.
You can cope all you want with "muh resale", but not only do we both know you'll never actually go through with selling all of them, but even if you did you know 99% of your collection is worthless pack filler garbage not worth the cardboard it's printed on, and even the 1% of cards you own that are remotely playable won't sell for anywhere remotely close to what you paid for them, since they'll be old, used, powercrept and not usable in modern.
You're a whale. WotC has been milking you for years and years but you just don't want to admit it. You'll accuse me of being a HS whale (which not only am not), but I started this argument by saying ALL card games are scams, but that HS was merely a much cheaper scam than MTG. You however got upset, probably motivated by massive sunk cost fallacy, and tried desperate to pretend the game you fanboy for hasn't been exploiting you for +20 years.
You want me to be honest? Probably around $600 total 20 years ago, a couple boxes of boosters and incidental boosters over a few years. My collection is worth way more than that now. Unlike you I don't buy singles to play in tournaments, I bought cards to play the game for fun with my friends. My collection will continue to be fun to play with.
>You want me to be honest?
Yes.
Too bad we're arguing anonymously online, so you never will be, since there's literally no reason to ever actually be honest here when it'll only serve to hurt your stance.
I can take a picture of my binder of rares if that makes you happy. But I won't because you're a coper trying to rationalize his digital card collection tied to a server ran by one of the most evil corporations ever to exist.
>trying to rationalize his digital collection
Man you just cannot stop with the strawmanning to save your life. I've already said both hearthstone and MTG are scams, all card games are, but since you're desperately fanboying for one game and trying to attack the other, you can't help but project that I must be doing the same. And that's not even touching on the weird way you keep accusing ME of buying expensive MTG cards despite YOU being the MTG player.
And not only is your binder NOT worth more than you paid for it, but we both know you're never actually going to sell it, meaning it's functionally "worth" the same amount as my old hearthstone account, $0.00. You'll die with it collecting dust in your closest, assuming it doesn't get destroyed in an accident first.
Oh, and saying blizzard is "one of the most evil corporations ever to exist.", but acting like WotC isn't? Just lol.
If I don't sell it doesn't it just mean I believe my collection is worth more than the money? What's your point, how dare I spend money on things I don't want to sell? Doesn't this go counter to the idea people are buying singles for $200 and reselling them for $20? Obviously I'm not them. It's also weird you're in a Hearthstone thread if this is as your actual opinion about CCGs. Seems a little sad.
Imagine if I had a board game collection and you come barging in about how their resale value is in the drain and are like "I don't even know why you people play board games." It doesn't matter if the Sorry! board game I own happens to be vintage collector's item worth $250. You completely miss the point.
you can sell paper to someone else
no digital card game allows you to do that after artifact died
Why is "but I can sell them later!" always the default cope from magic gays even though none of them ever do it? Also guess what, if you spend $10,000 amassing a collection of magic cards over your life, and then sell it for $2000, you're still down $8000 dollars, while the person who "wasted" their money on HS is only down $100.
>LotV
>competitive
>LotV
>$100
That's an ancient screenshot, obviously.
In fact I'm glad you pointed that out, because it perfectly illustrates my point. MTG whales will drop nearly $500 to get 4 copies of the latest competitive cards, then once it's no longer competitive will be lucky to sell them for 10% of what they originally paid.
So thanks for helping prove my point about how "muh resale" is total cope from hopeless whales in denial.
Only morons like you spend $500 to netdeck. Netdecking isn't a good thing you moron.
>Only morons like you spend $500 to netdeck.
>"n-no u!"
Holy mother of cope, you're so desperate for an argument you're just straight up trying to pretend I'm the MTG player now.
No cuck, YOU'RE the MTG player, remember? You're the one claiming MTG is the consumerism friendly game that you can play competitively for pennies.
Now go ahead and take your 54,000 pennies and order 4 copies of the one ring and orcish bowmasters like a good whale.
umm sweaty?? the best deck in standard every year is monored aggro which is $40???? wotc already has a poorgay option they keep perma tier 1 on purpose
There was a time when people played games to have fun.
LotV was expensive way past the point of its competitiveness AND reprint.
Never played magic, but the lewd card edits are my favorite.
You probably shouldn't have posted that. But Stable Diffusion makes doing edits like these trivial.
That was always the case. Back when I first started playing I could only build 2 competitive decks: face hunter and mech mage, both of which were mind-numbingly boring. Since I didn't want to pay I had to grind arena and git gud at it. At least they let returning players get a free (admittedly shitty) meta deck now
Usually variants of zoo were pretty cheap too. I'm sure they've been powercrept out of existence, but zoo lock was my starter f2p meta deck in the first few months of the game.
Why is some variation of "skill issue" always the ultimate Blizzgay cope?
Your shilling won't bring anyone back to this dead game.
>every thread is made by shills
meds
it's funny how much power creep there is. this card used to be one of the best in the game, now it is too slow
>announce twist mode with all the old cards for nostalgiagays
>infest the mode with new unbalanced shit that ruins the fun and make unnecessary buffs making meta horrible
>only Control Warrior, Jade Rogue, Discard Warlock and face hunter are viable
>drag your feet with balance changes so the mode dies before its ever playable
The wild situation is also so funny, they really said that they would finally pay some attention to it for them to only come in, buff secret mage (an already oppresive deck spamed by bots) buff discard warlock (also a strong deck that literally forced them to ban a card and rework another) and then fricked off. What in actual frick is wrong with these people?
The worst part is that pretty much all the wild changes did shit for the mode it was meant to be for.
Did they un-nerf Jaina's portrait yet?
frick off sexist you're the reason why that blizzard employee killed herself and no one spoke up
Your toxic sexism is what ruined blizzard
I have played this game on and off, casually for years and only played whizbang the wonderful in "normal" games , or whatever his name is. I wonder if blizzard regrets making that card.
why dont we get heartstone classic?
We did, no one played it and they scraped it for a new changing format called twist.
>Thread makes me want to replay some hearthstone after not playing for a year
>boot it up
>download all updates
>get in
>half of my decks are missing just 1 card
>start looking through
>they are all legendaries I definitely didnt dust
>Google around
>these cards got removed from the core set this year and are just gone
Because you are just fricking renting these cards. That was enough to delete and never return to this stupid fricking game. I waste money getting good legendarys and these israelites can just walk up and take them away with no repercussions. Fricking unbelievable, at least if a card is banned in MTG you still KEEP THE FRICKING CARD. pic unrelated.
when wild was first introduced years ago, i spent all my dust to make my wild control warrior completely gold. i had it that way for about a month and they nerfed fiery war axe to 3 mana. i stopped playing the game soon after
core sets card are free. They didn't take anything from you. They just got replaced with different legendaries that are also free.
What was the card that made you decide you were done with the game?
Mysterious Challenger. Like dude thinning your deck is one of the strongest shit you can do in a graveyardless 30 card gayme, attached to a body which passes the Vanilla Test and can give you its mana cost back as a battlecry?
Frozen Throne. Came back temporarily for the Sunken City expansion but left soon after.
>yogg but worse
No specific card but I decided to do the gay pre-order bundle shit for Descent of Dragons (first and last time I spent money) and after opening my packs and getting dick all but the minimum 2 legendaries and a few epics I decided I'd rather set a pile of money on fire than grind enough to make a half-playable deck because at least that would only take 20 minutes instead of hundreds of hours.
What's a fun deck right now? Redownloaded for the Titans stuff and got Sargeras.
The uninstall wizard
That bad?
I cant fathom how magic is still going. How can they possibly add new cards? Will magic still exist in 30 years? How about 60?
What's weird about Magic is the company can go out of business and your cards still exist. And in fact, them going out of business will probably increase the resale value of the cards 🙂
If Hasbro/WotC go bankrupt and no one purchases the MTG IP, I firmly believe it'll keep existing. The only formats I see disappearing entirely is Draft but people make Cubes all the time so it'll still live somewhat through that.
I mean Vintage is still an actually played format despite every deck being 1/3 the same, why would it die just from no new cards being added?
Hell now without the DCI being a pain in the ass you can actually proxie your Black Lotuses.
What even WAS the last card that was printed that became Vintage-playable? The last I recall is Fatal Push, but I'm sure there's more.
Dunno, last I heard of Vintage was the Lurrus shitshow. I every now and then watch some videos about cards and sets and I am surprised by the amount of seemingly harmless cards that have somehow weasled into Vintage Top 8s.
Oh right Companion in general kinda busted open some Eternal formats didn't it.
Well Lurrus did what no card in Vintage should do, looping back restricted cards, without it being restricted, and you already had it in every opening hand so restricting means shit. How noone saw that one coming is besides me. Every Vintage deck is already sub 1CMC average.
I have to imagine they just don't even take Vintage and Legacy into account when making new cards, because how COULD they? It's such a small pool of players. Modern occasionally gets some cards pushed for it (and explicitly sometimes there's Modern-only sets) but Eternal formats tend to be "Commander stuff and sometimes something slips through the cracks as a really good card in Legacy/Vintage".
Design space is much higher than expected.
Went to shit when they nerfed really fun cards like yogg saron to the ground. I quit shortly after that.
anon, the miniset right now is Yogg: the set
casino rogue was the only deck I had fun playing with. was able to steal the shard of naaru from quest priests nearly every game
>amaz
>forsen
>reckful
>reynad
Bring me back...
Those days are never coming back
They should never have introduced set rotations. The moment my favorite cards rotated out, I lost interest and haven’t played since.
Did they remove Wild or something? I quit before the ~~*Hall of Fame*~~
What was that again?
Shadowverse?
I played the shit out of Shadowverse when it first came out. Game was a direct upgrade in many things from Hearthstone, but it was designed to be played every single day or else you would miss out on the meta. I ended out quitting because at the end it wasn't too different from being a gacha slave.
Holy crap your post made me remember when this game came out and people were spamming it in hs thread too so I checked if it still has a thread on vg and not only does It's much, much faster than /hsg....
NTA, but /hsg/ is on life support.
Its a miracle is still there.
As for shadowverse, looked to weeby for me. I have built tolerance but there's no way I would enter one of these games after so long
shadowverse WAS better than hs
...until its second expansion or so
don't remind me of the fricking circus that the alice wonderland meta was
My main remembrace from Shadowverse is the English voicelines. Mordecai's still just pops into my head now and then.
The correct way to play hearthstone:
Play Ladder for 1 week when a new expansion comes out. Perhaps slightly longer if you actually enjoy the meta. All other times play only arena and tavern brawl.
>Play Ladder for 1 week when a new expansion comes out
With what cards nanodesu?
Buy packs with gold you got from playing arena. Easy enough to get 50 packs with gold each expansion and craft the legendaries you really like
SHAMAN
Reminder that HS died the day they killed Yogg
i just play battlegrounds every now and then. it's fun until you find out what the exodia build is, but they're at least decent enough to update the pools pretty often
Discover killed hearthstone
What is the chance that it hits twice?
50%?
33% repeating.
H/M H/H M/H
2/3
I mean 1/3 of course
im kinda over lich king shit tbh. its been 20 years fellas. can blizzard really not making anything more compelling in that time
>control priest
>ropes every turn
>discovers 5 synchronizes
>discovers 4 ignis with protocol
>steals my legendaries
>Druid
>turn 5 has 10 mana and whole deck drawn
>plays Anub + Jailer + Tony
very fun
>This many people still have HS rent free in their head
Big yike.