So what do you guys think of the reveal for TKs? The Necrolith Bone Dragon seems like a nod to their Warmaster roster where they could take zombie dragons. It's also an option for High Liche Priests.
I wonder what they will do more here with them.
TOW: Tomb Kings
The king/prince model is a footgay sculpt. WHERE ARE THE SANDALS?!!
Desperately needed new Core.
Got a centrepiece character.
Worse than the one they already had (Warsphinx).
Not even a centrepiece they needed (Hierotitan).
Of all the kits TK could have received, a lord-level monstrous mount is at the bottom of the pile.
This. It's a shelf-warmer - how the frick are you meant to transport that without bits constantly snapping off ffs - and it's a clear signal we're not getting the new skeleton infantry, cavalry, and chariots that the range actually needs.
I genuinely don't get what GW are thinking with TOW, it really does feel like they're trying to sabotage it.
Never assume malign intent where incompetence will do – and GW has incompetence to spare.
>and GW has incompetence to spare.
More like in abundance.
To be fair, it's also malign intent
I mean do they really hate having good PR and money? It's like they want...no, it's clear they want the OW to fail so to return to Age of Smegmar. Because why not?
> le transport
Holy shit you mongoloid.
It's called magnets. You magnetize it to a container. Tell me aren't an idiot still using pluck foam in 2000 fricking 23. Or you just throw things in a box like a teen. Or you are a public transportation homosexual (likely a euro, another word for homosexual)
>being this angry by online comments regarding toy soldiers
>Amerimutt caling anyone mongoloid
Good one
You say homosexual so much, you seem very practiced at it, I can only guess because you hear it so often from your uncle as he hollows out your butthole.
It doesn't matter what method you use, you're going to be picking it up and putting it down. It's going to get knocked by accident, or caught on clothing, or bumped up against a piece of terrain, and since it's a fragile piece of shit parts are going to break off. Wargame models that don't function as robust game pieces aren't really wargame models at all. Now jog on yankeedoodledipshit, your uncle's calling.
>how the frick are you meant to transport that without bits constantly snapping off ffs
maybe stop living in 1998 and use magnets
Bro, did you even watch the video? Those are new skeleton sculpts in the bottom left corner sneakily teased.
anon those skellies are old as frick.
They were dated when WHFB was still a thing.
Those models are from 5E vampire Counts you muppet. They're exactly the problem. Have you never actually seen a TK army that wasn't rendered on TWW?
>Those models are from 5E Vampire Counts you muppet.
Wait, they're gonna bring back the old plastic skellies? This is the best news I've heard about nuhammer.
No, anon. It's bad news. If they update an old kit it's horrible because all the old stuff is so much better than the new stuff and should not be updated.
And if they don't update but re-release an old kit then that is horrible because the old stuff sucks and need updates.
Nah, I'd love to have a few sprues of the old skeletons. Most of the new sculpts do nothing for me, plus GW switched to a new scale that looks like shit when combined with the old one.
Oh wait, you're just being moronic on purpose. Here's me being the second moron for not realizing immediately.
nah these are the old skeletons
ROFL their hands are as big as their heads/skulls. And that could be okay in an all retro millenium-era army, but it really doesn't gel well with the newer kits like Tomb Guard.
Which is why I dislike the high elves range so much. Same old awful spearmen/archers/silver helms even as everything was updated.
Mantic really dropped the ball, I've got to say. Think of how many GW players they could have poached during that era when WHFB was dead and 40Kers were suffering under 7th edition if they had halfway decent miniatures.
It's like that time every Ogre player was expecting a new Butcher model and instead they got that ugly ass blood pelt hunter model.
Some parts of it are really good, such as the priest and the little animals, also kinda like the dragon head, altough the fat bones on the dragon make it look like a toy action figure.
But as said this wasn’t what Tombkings needed.
Nails the problem.
Honest question, would it really have been more expensive or more work intensive to just make a new set of skeleton warriors/archers and chariots, instead of this monstrosity? Also on the profit side, I'd imagine more people would be interested in updating their range with several boxes of core troops than buy the big fricking centerpiece.
>new set of skeleton warriors/archers and chariots
I'd rather them just reuse the old ones tbh
GW prioritises characters and centerpieces because they make them way more money, that's why they don't update troops as often when they should be. It should be fricking obvious that if they re-release the shitty old core units for TKs nobody will buy them, but whatever they'll just blame it on something else. Again.
Between war sphinx, necrosphinx, two flavors of bone giant and the giant scarab I'm not sure what TKs needed was a dumb-looking skeletal dragon with an overwrought howdah precariously balanced on its back.
Not every faction needs a dragon and their chariot mounted lords were really cool, and this is probably going to overshadow them.
Nope, it'll be this and maybe one more foot hero and that's it. Everything else will be the old skellies, all of which desperately needed replacing
It's fricking schizophrenic
It's large, quite frankly too large for my tastes. I also don't like how the platform looks like it's floating above it
I think it looks cool but I don't like the fact that it's a dragon. I know lore-wise dragons mightn't be the most outlandish thing for TKs but still. There are many other things a TK lord could mount himself on.
> dies turn one to a great cannon
EPIC GAME GREAT SUCCESS
That chariot seat thing looks so shit. Maybe it's the way it's painted but when I saw the color scheme in the thumbnail for a second I though it had something to do with Necrons.
At any rate Tomb King players get boned again.
>Rock formations the color of which you would find in a mountainous or setting.
>The color of the ground is soil brown.
>Grass
Did the guy who painted this even know what tomb kings are?
He's clearly depicted raiding dwarfs or orcs for all the property those shifty c**ts nicked.
He should be depicted in this home setting especislly in his first reveal.
Anon have you ever been to an arid area before? There's still plants and Grey rocks there
This dude, the anorexic smeg orcs, and a few 40k models from semi-recent releases all had these feet. Is it the same fetish homosexual sculptor that did the bara gay dragons?
This model looks like it was designed to have bits break off from it at so much as a light spring breeze so the consumer has to buy another one to replace it like so many AoS centerpiece models.
Like so many AoS centerpiece models this looks like a nightmare to transport even with magnets, foam or both.
Oh that's just thumb sized salt pieces shoved in the gaping wounds at this point.
Dudes no loss to the company honestly
Just salty and shit and didn't give a frick
Sculptor seems based atleast…
Easy to be "based" when you no longer have to justify your own work and can blame it on other take a look at the rest of the shit he's made, he's been a part of the problem for years
Should never have been allowed to become a sculptor
the rest of the stuff he made is fine, the real matter is that the big TK centerpiece had all the direction of a beheaded chicken and it shows
Nta but show me the other stuff he's made. I'll be the judge.
not into spoonfeeding, but the guy I think worked mostly in necromunda and sculpted picrel
I don't know why they put him on tow and much less on this piece
his instagram said he was a FW sculptor and lists out a bunch of pieces he did. He got put on TOW because its a FW project so they just assign work to the scultptors they have, doesnt mean they are only working on stuff they like or design directions they agree with. I think Darren latham said that when they were hiring for 10th they had everyone to do a space marine seargent to "get hyped" doesnt mean those people likes space marines or wanted to.
i like the high priest build more
the vulture construction form sand look sweet
>various sculptors put shit on top of eachothers designs leading to end result looking like a mess nobody is happy with
Absolute state of tOw
Honestly? If the creator said something about boats then GW could've introduced Sky-Boats that were in lore as well as Sky-Boxes.
Sky-Boats could've been flying platforms for Skeleton Archers to pelt enemies with a hailstorm of arrows while Sky-Boxes would've been flying chariots like in lore. Perfect for a Tomb King, Tomb Prince, Necrotect as well.
That's quite something to put where your current and potential future employers can read it.
That's nothing new, the fw chaos dwarf sculptor says that he doesn't like them right on his website. There are criticisms by former artists all over social media.
> think of your employers!!!
What pathetic cope is this. Jesus the delusions you fantaFATs are under I swear to Christ
The anon is referring to the fact that publicly shitting on your employers decreases your likelihood to get hired somewhere else, not that it's poor manners or whatever
that dude works freelance now
All the more reason to be careful about his employability then, since he no longer enjoys what protection UK worker's rights provide actual employees and instead has to constantly re-apply for work.
Shit c**t doesn't care
There's any old hack company throwing together some bare bones board game to sell through Kickstarter who can't wait to accept any old trash that he turns out
Publicly shitting on something that he is undeniably at fault for and has honestly limited ability to mitigate going through his back catalogue is going to turn this into a bit part hobby while he picks up a basic admin job to keep the mortgage topped up, the shitting on gw won't mean jack shit in the circles he's now moving in
He left long ago, these sculpts were in production for a year now. The paintjob is 6 months old. I know because the painter' also left since, and he is in our gaming group.
He also thinks the range is shit. Killed all my hype.
>don't believe it fits with the lore
This guy never heard of Warmaster?
Was he even born when GW last stocked Warmaster in their physical stores?
Probably not but being that self-assured and ignorant is strange and annoying.
>Vulture emanating from liquid diarrhea flowing from lich's hand
My interest in TOW is fricking rock bottom. I can't believe I even entertained the thought of maybe perhaps returning to the fold.
Frick this. I'll pick up a few of the old sprues when they're re-released and then GW will never see another cent from me.
I can't believe you'd lie on the internet.
God I can't imagine what a homosexual you are in real life
I can guarantee that I suck fewer veiny dicks than you, you fricking wiener-goblin.
>I'll pick up a few of the old sprues when they're re-released
>GW will never see another cent from me.
Lmao, lol even
It's too bare bones. Literally. It all mashes into a blob of bony white, i couldn't even tell that thing has wings at first because they're identical colour and texture to the body.
This "minimalistic" design works with various dinosaurs because they have skin and scales to let you add colours and patterns. You can add that to a bone without it looking like Dia di Los Muertes meme.
Vampire count zombie dragon has bones, but also skin and flesh added around the bone parts and even has wing membranes, once again letting you break the monothony.
Even Ossiarch constructs devoided of own flesh have armor plating that adds colour, this thing is almost naked outside of some minor details so tough luck on that front too.
If I grab one at all, this bad boy's definitely getting some parts of it painted like the stony bits of the Necrosphinx cause I had the exact same first thought.
That's more of an issue of the choice of background color.
That might help, but the main issue is that these morons decided that the best way to showcase a skeleton is against a bone-colored backdrop. It's just corporate one-size-fits-all stupidity that, like usual, ends up making an otherwise alright model look like shit. On a normal table, it'll look fine.
One of the artists is saying that the studio treats models like a highschool group project, where the work is divided up, nobody talks, and at the end each part is just tacked together into a visually inconsistent frankenstein.
>the work is divided up, nobody talks, and at the end each part is just tacked together into a visually inconsistent frankenstein
That's because you need a boss in order to impose a coherent vision on the others, and kids are too pussy (or vice versa, arrogant) to assert their leadership or accept the necessity of being bossed around by another kid. Such problems should not arise in corporate environments because they have actual, appointed project managers with the authority to order people around.
Looks bad. Everything revealed today looks like nuGW slop. They’ve lost their aesthetic touch.
I'm deeply unhappy that my hobby of nostalgically pining for WHFB is being ruined by reviving the game.
If I was GW I would just do the exact opposite of what the the /tg/ "pundits" say at this point. It's crazy how innovative people here are when it comes to find things to whine about.
>"this is so bad, they are deliberately trying to stop sales of their own product!"
Imagine actually having an opinion like this. Imagine being this far gone into the GW-hating cult.
The thing that amazes me is that these morons will still play the game and buy the products despite their eternal whining. You just know at least half the people in this thread gleefully shitting on TOW are actually really excited for it and have a roadmap in their head of what they're going to buy.
The people who actually want ToW to fail wouldn't even open this thread, simple as.
You might be correct. I think if this Bone Dragon had been relased by Mantic games then the anons would praise it and say it is superior to anything GW could ever make. But they would not buy it.
But it is GW so we get all this "2/10" spam and then they go buy it.
When you're heavily invested in something you keep buying while complaining until your dissatisfaction eclipses your investment, then all buying stops. It's why costumer opinion isn't reflected in sales with games like this and mtg. It's what happened to privateer.
GW themselves think it's bad, no jeed to look at /tg/
>centrepiece-cancer
Into the trash it goes
Looks like AoS shit. Not buying it.
> Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture.
Looks like an AoS model more than a Warhammer Fantasy one.
AoS models are actually good, however
>AoS models are actually good,
lol
lmao
ayy lmao
I can no longer tell if this is ironic Mantic shilling or unironic.
Odds are they don't really have that good an idea themselves what they're doing, it's just a stream of shit hoping to get some kind of reaction out of people.
These are so fricking ugly
You're not disproving the point
>yes, that's right. Tell the photographer we absolutely want this please, sandy coloured model in a pale, sandy coloured background
ohnonononononono
>more TK centrepiece models
they'd better update the core troops
They didn't.
See
8th all over again
> And now, here's Robin Cruddace to talk about how he brought them to the tabletop!
What about the new Sigmarite Sisters just revealed for the Empire?
>No blacks
Thats a step in the right direction
wheres Settra gay now in his hour of triumph? frickers been spamming for 5 years
Actually garbage model. No offense, but it's profile is shitty and wonky. No skin so no lift, the head looks like an heavy anchor that'd stop it from ever flying, the palanquin looks impossibly heavy for the structure of the dragon but not in a good way, and the profile looks awful.
Also, personal taste, but I hate the dessicated skin on Tomb King lords. Just make them skeletons or give them burial masks. Nobody wants a wrinkled ballsack leading their army.
A giant Tomb Scorpion, Crocodile or construct would have been a much better choice for a mount. Also kind of redundant to give them a big mount when their big flashy mounts already existed (pimped out chariots and warsphinxes)
Bro skeletons are walking around and mummies shoot magic spells, take the "realistic" bullshit and frick off.
They've already ruined TOW with the worst thing about AoS and late WFB, the massive £100 centrepiece models.
>They call it a dragon, but it looks more like a crocodile
>Smash two different units together with no sense of aesthetics
>Giant, expensive ass centerpieces designed to be automatic includes
>Throne is raised as high as they could get it without the anchor points snapping off
In what world did they think TKs needed ANOTHER giant centerpiece model? Just put the Lich and Tomb King on a normal ass chariot while keeping the Not!Crocodile-dragon as a separate unit
>In what world did they think TKs needed ANOTHER giant centerpiece model?
Literally AoS "huge toy let's get aways with trash-looking minis". Discussion about any army ends with "well at least this army have cool faction leader/ebig monster model"
makes me sad
I have two Centrepiece units in Avengorii list, the Dragon/Centaur Hybrid Vampire leader, and the Terrorgheist.
I guess you could argue the Wight Lord on Steed is big enough to be a centrepiece due to scale creep too.
i miss the days when centrepiece units like the Bloodthirster on a 50mm base and maybe twice the height of the guys around it, just for ease of carrying.
Well, considering how bad and bland Tomb Kings were when they debuted in 6e (yes, I know you could take Mummys as troops and characters in 4e, but that's a different thing to the Tomb Kings) it's really hard to imagine them getting much worse.
Honestly, an undead battle beast is kind of interesting. Nice to see GW taking a lesson from...whoever the frick it was on Total War that made Cathay... and making their Warhammer armies more fantastical.
Wrong thread friend
The skull on the croco dragon has more detail then the rest of the body combined and it looks weird
Apparently it's a hodgepodge of various sculptors creations, so msybe head huy and body guy didn't work together
It would be better without wings and throne (or whatever he carries on his back)
Yeah, honestly they could make it skeleton crocodile or crocodile construct instead on forcing dragon in to TK.
To be honest they could actually went with the whole skeleton dinos since Khemri was bordering lizardmen sareas in Southlands
Everything besides the spine and ribs looks amazing. Said spine and ribs look basic, but that can be dealt with via proper hobbying.
The small image at a glance keeps making me think it has a human face on its skull beneath the head dress, with the alligators mouth being a chin.
Feel like this that was done on purpose via the models curves and contours. almost giving off a mirage of a perfectly smooth lunar death mask, when it’s really just an alligator and skull.
Very cool model. Expertly done.
Imagin defending those sorry excuses for wings
Not going to lie I might remove the wings but not because they’re bad, but because I like the idea of him riding an alligator or alligator sphinx more.
the model is cool and a great source of bits for conversions considering the spare hero and decorative elements of the howdah which can be used to enhance a hero's chariot or BSB
a plastic liche priest was also missing from the roster previously and this one's sand vulture helps covering the kitbash work needed for the legs
tomb kings did have an artwork with dragons and a dragon in the old warmaster list, the crocodilian head also cements this as looking appropriate for the egypt theme
but the model as a whole looks very unbalanced: the howdah is sitting too separate from the dragon in both in terms of the silhouette (which shouldn't be too difficult to fix) and of the level of decorations, also compared to other tk sculpts, and the negative spaces in the skeleton aren't helping either
the bone dragon needs either a lot of bits added to it or a better thought-out colour scheme to really shine, but I think it definitely can shine
the real gut punch is knowing that relatively unnecessary releases like these are coming instead of the extremely fundamental fixes to stuff like the basic skeleton infantries
I will take the top part and put it on a skeletal beast of my liking. The skeletal dragon can be used for basing material or some random creature. As it looks now it's too age of sigmar aesthetically.