>TPCI introduces black female characters
>They get no fanart, barely anyone cares
>Meanwhile, everyone lusts after the asian or white female characters like Perrin and Briar
Why is it like this?
>TPCI introduces black female characters. >They get no fanart, barely anyone cares
most PoC pokemon fans are Muslim and drawing fanart of characters could be seen as idolatry
So that's why the Indonesian vtuber scene doesn't exist
>PoC
So ethnic Europeans?
I have a Muslim friend who draws porn for me all the time though
Which country?
They need to make more Nessa and Bea if they want popular brown skin females.
This. It's not that people hate browns it's just that the brown's we got in gen9 are all awful.
How did they even fricked this up? They had a streak of good brown girls for the past 3 gens and then we get stuff like OP pic
>brown's
how did I frick that up? but the point still stands
>they're awful because they actually look black and not like generic ambiguously brown anime girls
The one on the left is frickable though but maybe it’s because she’s too dark
Basically, brown asians.
Nessa is an outlier, meanwhile Bea isn't even black.
Is Nessa even black? She doesn't have Pokemon Black lips like real Pokemon blacks
Well, she's certainly not white
>Is Nessa even black?
probably? Its possible she also is of south asian descent as there are some who have really dark skin tones.
>Pokemon Black lips
Not real. None of the characters have lips unless they're wearing lipstick
I always thought she was supposed to be Poke!Indian myself.
I just realized Allister is there as well.
This
Just stop making them ugly as sin and they would be even more popular.
I haven't had time off from work to draw them, that's why
95% of times japs can't make black characters right, I know they can do it because I've seen them but theyre rare, also some of the most coomed to pokemon girls are brown
Not even blacks want black women.
That's fine, black women are better off with men from other races
At risk of being called a wokie or whatever, it’s because being a female character, dark skinned, and having a “black hairstyle” all at the same time makes them not conventionally attractive to white/Asian people. Lenora is probably the only exception as both a dark skinned black female Pokémon with an Afro who gets a fair amount of fanatics. Even still, she probably the most conventional, familiar looking ‘unambiguously’ black woman character archetype you can come up with. She’s a strong independent African American woman with motherly vibes, who’s middle aged, kind of fat but not really, dark skinned but not to the point of being night dark, and has curly hair. Big whoop.
Meanwhile, Agate is VERY extremely dark skinned, with a more African look in regards to hair and clothing, while Amarys is also fairly dark and has weird fantasy Bantu knots. Not to mention they don’t fit tried and true stereotypical character archetypes for unambiguously black female characters (like how Amarys is stiff and taciturn). They’re too daring and stray too far from Asian/European beauty standards, so the majority white/Japanese Pokémon fanbase isn’t in to them like that. A dark skinned female character design either had to be fantastic or at least inoffensive to compete with even the WORSE of pale skin female character designs, like Penny.
Yeah, I mean i've seen plenty of asian artists when drawing black characters just giving them white or tan skin because of their beauty standards when it comes to skin color, it's not really shocking this is the case when a massive asian fanbase doesn't draw dark skinned characters.
the woke crowd would call you racist for pointing out that different ethnicities usually prefer their own. black people are just unattractive to regular people.
I don't think skin tone has much to do with it because Nessa happened and people went fricking crazy over her.
The real issue is that basically every Pokemon character these days is covered completely head to toe. There's nothing there to work with, absolutely zero sex appeal. Pic related for another example. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 100% intentional too so that when kids Google Pokemon characters they aren't immediately blasted with porn.
Yet other characters completely covered by clothes still get fanart and porn
Even that girl gets plenty of art. Not a big amount, but still.
Nessa was literally a white girl with dark skin, that’s why people liked her
All of them are. That's a moot point
>I wouldn't be surprised if it was 100% intentional too
It is intentional. They're trying to create "good characters" inmune to r34. Dunno if she's a good character but I'm sure as hell no one will lose time in drawing her. Unless is a commission of course.
I can't quite put my finger on it but I think it's the eyebrows being a darker tone than her hair that makes her look weird
>The real issue is that basically every Pokemon character these days is covered completely head to toe.
Sounds like a skill issue regarding your imagination.
Yeah Cynthia for example was basically naked with how much skin she was showing. Do you see how moronic you sound now?
Wasn't much of Cynthia's popularity due to being the first female Champion in the series? What's the hook for these new black female characters?
You’re implying that the other Sinnoh characters are dressed in a sexier fashion
Well Dawn does travel in a miniskirt and didn't Arcade Star Dahlia have a navel piercing?
They censored her miniskirt and Dahlia shows as much skin as Perrin. But with that said Sada is dressed like a cavewoman and Tulip has her ass poking out so they’re about even in sex appeal
Cynthia only shines because other Sinnoh women are goblinas or manfaces
Nessa has a vibrant color scheme and long straight hair
I mean, neither of them is drawn in an attractive way. You can barely see any of their skin beyond their faces, Agate clothes hide any shape of her body.
Compare that to Perrin and Briar.
Mallow and Nessa are two darkskinned characters and are popular
The problem here is that Paldea has the horrible combination of female , designs being desexualized on porpouse because the female dyke director gets triggered and designs that can't stand out
Perrin is a literal stick and Briars looks like a PoGo reject, I unironically still find the base game teachers the only good designs in this gen
>dyke director
Is this true? Explains Chiri-chan being such a hit with women though.
I dunno if she's a dyke, but here on the right is one of the last known photos of Mana Ibe the SV art director.
The results speak for themselves.
>2 shitty Unovamons
Yeah that explains everything
No one likes Black folk.
The designs of these Black folk are fricking awful.
People are getting sick and tired of Black folk getting shoved in on everything 24/7 without any rhyme or reason so even the people pushing for "diversity" are experiencing burnt-out.
Shut up cracker
That's cracka to you
Cracker is our word
>another /misc/ thread
>Same AI-posts
It's not that I don't disagree, but do we really need the same thread to be made every hour?
How else am I supposed to enjoy my free time as a Pokemon fan, eh wise guy?
who the frick is left? I'd simp for that. black hippie girls are the secret most white dudes don't know about. fricking amazing gfs and wives
I'd never touch a hippie, let alone a black one.
Stupid potheads all of them.
Besides Iono, who in this generation came close to matching the likes of the really popular girls of SwSh? Seems more like a design thing, and not a race thing.
Rika but she's strictly popular on the yumejo/not-yurigay side of people so basically just degenerate women.
This gen has been a complete bust character-wise in terms of popularity.
>not-yurigay
Twitter troons love to make her lesbo because
>Twitter troons
Anon these are Japanese women. That's why I said not-yurigays, because the main focus is yumejo shit. And I'm talking about the Japanese fanbase here. Raihangays all jumped ship to Rika and ship her with Juliana /their SI) and Geeta (still don't get this one)
Rika is very popular but she's not "universal" popular.
Yeah, not even Nemona amounted to much. But, you can say that the release of Arceus also fricked over the SV cast, since their characters overshadowed them and took the spotlight.
Which Arceus characters are even popular?
Arezu? She was extreme flavor of the month though. Ingo did really well but he's a old character so >d-doesn't count.
Maybe Irida and Adaman? Still, not that much when you get to it.
Honestly, I'd say the only PLA characters with any real longevity will be Volo.
>PLA characters weren't really that memorable/popular outside of Volo and Arezu (which died down a few months after release)
>PLA forgotten by the time SV came out
so then I dont really understand the excuse that PLA impacted SV character popularity.
Also this. Gen 9 is a complete snoozefest of a gen for the waifu/husbando gays. The designs this gen are generally just so devoid of actual personality when compared with the past two gens and PLA, it’s honestly astonishing how cold and sterile half of them look. Iono and Rika are seemingly the only two characters that people have an interest in from the game, and the former is being propped up by a metric ton of shilling from TPC. It’s telling that a silly msgk pink brat having two lines of dialogue in the anime is already eclipsing half of these characters in attention.
Now we need one in vantablack
Maybe if more black people got into art they could actually draw their own instead of begging white artists to do it.
Oh they try, by coercion
Because there's nothing sexual about them, they are boring and covered up.
Meanwhile Perrin has her tummy fully exposed and Carmine has her dead-inside stare.
They both ugly. They should take note of sexy chocolate mamas like Lenora and Olivia if they want fanart
I unironically like the lady on the left because she actually looks properly black.
The thing on the right, however, is a total abomination with moronic ugly as sin busy as frick design, specially that fricking hair shaped like screws.
That's the problem with Pokemon human designs nowadays. They're so on your face it hurts.
The black lady is just a black lady, the other girl is just a over the top caricature in terms of anime girl design.
Needs Queen of Hearts tats immediately.
>Perrin
Massively exposed midriff
>Briar
Sexy librarian look with a corset
>Sango
Brat with a lascivious outfit
Everyone in this thread is literally obsessed with blacks.
I am, sexually
No one likes the academy uniforms or Horizons.
they could probably not give them those ugly ass outfits or autistic stares for a start
Even if you want to argue that their outfit is too plain, then explain how this character still gets multiple artworks.
forgot pic
Because she has thick eyebrows. That character trait has a very loyal fanbase
its simple
just make them attractive
nemona gets huge amounts of fanart because she's hot
unattractive characters deserve to be forgotten
These black characters have no sex appeal unlike Nessa and surprise, sex sells.
Another reason is that they look so generic that you can't tell anything about their interests or personality. The woman on the left looks like some generic shop customer npc you would run past to buy recovery potions. The one on the right looks like a Team Rocket lackey the camera would zoom past while the Big Bad is delivering his speech on world domination. It's almost like they were designed to be ignored.
>muh races
To get a frick ton of art you have to be either interesting (visually or characterwise), or hit a niche that resonates with artgays/commissioners. Agate just looks like a fantasy "African" chick with Pokeballs and Amarys looks like a boring "role model student" outside of her dumb hair knots, while Perrin and Briar hit the 2000s art girl and mommy niches while having lore implications pertaining to the current and previous games. This is also why Nessa and Raihan are big shots, which is obvious to anyone who isn't moronic.
>Agate just looks like a fantasy "African" chick with Pokeballs
How is that not interesting? Are fantasy africans a common trope in fiction? Meanwhile, you can literally make the same generic pink hair asian girl that a million anime/manga/games etc. have and still struck gold regardless.
People don’t like (or fetishize) generic fantasy Black Africans in the same way they do with generic fantasy middle easterners, or fantasy native Americans, or fantasy ancient Egyptians, or fantasy Japanese magic ninjas, etc. etc.
Some tropes are overused for a reason, people (on average) like them. Other tropes are underused for a reason, people (on average) don’t like them.
>how is that not interesting
Ask yourself how often you've seen them relevant outside of le epic marvel cat series.
>Are fantasy africans a common trope in fiction?
Depends on if you count non-human fantasy races, which generally the main focus (and even then they pick out cultural shit that could be interesting such as... anything spiritual/folk culture-y like every other "native" inspiration)
>tried and true formula that has easily readable character quirks vs "ethnic woman in earthy tones"
I literally covered this already.
>Ask yourself how often you've seen them relevant outside of le epic marvel cat series.
Shouldn't their rarity make them interesting?
>Depends on if you count non-human fantasy races
No.
and true formula that has easily readable character quirks vs "ethnic woman in earthy tones"
It's a generic pink hair girl. We've seen it with same personality in a hundred other series. The argument here is that the character is not interesting, therefore it gets no art. But you're seriously telling me that a generic character design done a million times over is more "interesting" than a character design that's unique and rarely done before?
>Shouldn't their rarity make them interesting
Novelty isn't always good anon; you can't go to Midwestern America and expect authentic Chinese or 5 star parisian cuisine to sell.
>The argument here is that the character is not interesting, therefore it gets no art.
No, I said
>To get a frick ton of art you have to be either interesting (visually or characterwise), or hit a niche that resonates with artgays/commissioners.
Smug anime girls are a staple that resonates with people, so people who like that are making art... which is more of the anime aware artgays than Agate's potential niche. Again, this isn't new.
>>To get a frick ton of art you have to be either interesting (visually or characterwise)
So, how is the design not interesting? And no, relevance is not a good answer.
What's interesting about it? It's just a woman with a white blouse and orange skirt. What does that tell you about her?
Sure.
Being actually dark dark is novel and neat, but it blends in with her hair which is just vague masses meant to stand in for... braids? Lipstick clashes and also looks negative for people who are too "politically correct." Her clothing's palette, while not actually bad, is again very earthy and kinda bland compared to how outlandish modern Pokemon designs can get. Hell, she's not even that interesting compared to the "ethnic" clothes actual fricking Africans wear unless you're making comparisons to fricking dirt farmers who have the excuse of being impoverished. Even her fricking stance and facial expression are just "there."
Compare that to livestreamer Raihan, southern bellbottom Lenora, where you can at definitely gauge personality or stuff about them even if you don't care for the character's aesthetics themselves.
Shit, I’m gonna lazily edit her hair/skin/lips because I also think they look bad
>anon with fifteen seconds in GIMP already has her looking less like a rock with chalk marks for lipstick
I've actually slid into light annoyance over her appearance, frick.
People are highly uneducated about the good aspects of black African countries or cultures. AND black African countries certainly don’t have many positive stereotypes to work in their favor either. People associate Africa with starvation and poverty, and African culture as being primitive and backwards. Not to mention most non black people do not find the extremely dark skin, kinky hair, and wide noses associated with (West/Central black) Africans to be attractive either. So that means people who aren’t black or actively interested in ‘diversity and representation in the media!!!’ don’t give zero fricks about seeing more Black African characters. The average person won’t be actively racist about a Black African character, but they’ll probably just ignore them instead. Which appears to be the Japanese response to Agate, based off of Twitter replies.
Nothing about the girl on the left strikes me as particularly "African" besides her skin color. It's not like her dress has any African design - it's not like it's a dashiki or anything. It's just a white blouse with orange skirt. Even her hair doesn't look particularly African, it just looks kind of wavy. There's nothing visually distinctive about her to remember, not even generic sex appeal.
It doesn't help that people just aren't familiar with African dress or mythology in general.
Because African "culture" is fricking boring and no fricking one gives a shit about it.
The honest, 100% truth is that no one gives a shit about africans or blacks. The world revolves around european's standard of beauty, which is pale skin, big eyes, straight hair, small nose and lips. Even a dark skin version of that, while can be seen as exotic and appealing, places second before that. Africans are the opposite of that standard and therefore are seen as the ugliest. That's why these characters, which are based on africans/blacks, get no art. No bullshit answer.
I mean, people CAN like Black characters just fine, but black characters that are popular are almost always not culuturally African. They’re usually African American, or Latin American, or even culturally European or Japanese somehow. The only popular black Africans I can think of are Black Panther characters, Storm, and Elena. The latter two having straight white hair and blue eyes.
Request me
draw this
Her fan art count just went from 1 to 2
POC characters are pure and it is sinful to draw them obscene
Ugly ass characters won't get art and yes you can have real african girls that look like Nessa, African DNA is the most diverse in the world and there's girls that are dark as night with euro facial features.
I don't give a shit, but ugly characters are a waste.
its a shame. there can be black characters with stereotypical black features that get decent amount of art. Lenora for example because her design is simple yet affective.
ops characters just have shit designs simple as
Then they're mulatto not black, most Africans and African diaspora have distinctive facial features and hair
He’s vaguely referencing certain black people from the Horn of Africa like the Habesha (Ethiopians and Eritreans), and Somalians. But horner Africans aren’t really that culturally relevant globally, probably because they weren’t really spread around the world via the slave trade, and there were even a colonization attempt that failed in east Africa. Black people of west African descent are more known, their features thought to be the ‘face’ of blackness regardless of how true it is, and are more culturally relevant across the globe. You’d really have to shove that East African heritage in people’s faces to stop them from asking ‘why does that so called black character look like a white person painted brown?’.
I'm talking about Africa, not America. "Black" to you is just American. Africa is very diverse and there's all sorts of looks.
This guy gets it.
>Africa is very diverse and there's all sorts of looks.
So 99% of anime "blacks" are east Africans for some reason
99% of anime characters don't look Japanese for starters
They look like Disney human characters ergo white
I've never met a single white person that looked like a Disney character except for Quasimodo in the grocery store.
Anime characters aren't based on real people
Bro, anthropologists have more insight about Africa than your Spirou comics and turn of the centry cartoons
There's a reason why Nessa gets more fanart than any other SwSh girl and that's because her design is coomer bait. The two you posted are not. Left looks like a hag, right is boring and has the dumbest haircut possible. Skin color is completly unrelated.
But how will you know what type she uses without her steel bolt hair puffs
Because most White and Asian people are not attracted to Black and Brown people.
Tangentially related, but would you trust TPC to use stuff like African mythological creatures, cryptids and figures? Like stuff from Vodun, Santeria, etc.
I feel like it would take an African country inspired region for them to ever go out of their way to do that, and… I dunno, the only African mythology that people even half way know or care about is Anansi the spider. It’s so simple I feel like it’s hard to frick that up or make that offensive somehow.
i want to see agate's skin pressed against my own
She looks like she vores shotas