What's going on with this? It looks sick but the kickstarter was only for a few miniature sculpts so I'm not really sure if it's a full game or someone's art project
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Trench Crusade
What's going on with this? It looks sick but the kickstarter was only for a few miniature sculpts so I'm not really sure if it's a full game or someone's art project
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It was originally just a few minis but has since expanded and is now going to be a full wargame. There's a set of playtest rules floating out there somewhere last I checked.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kajhoamisshzfxfvige66/Mercenaries.pdf?rlkey=uttdswrhjt6sx4fonde7k5onb&dl=0
this just looks like some stat blocks
>what if 40k but with extra dumb
gothic trench warfare with long robes, impractically large guns, and religious overtones is very 40k
the artwork also seems very blanchitsu
put some skulls and aquilas on the structures in this pic and it would look like an imperial guard defensive position
>gothic trench warfare with long robes, impractically large guns, and religious overtones is very 40k
only because 40k just ripped off other sci-fi at the time that did the same thing. having those elements doesn't make a game a "warhammer thing"
this isn't a 40k thread go back to your general
>this isn't a 40k thread
NTA, but yes, it is.
>go back to your general
Or what? You're going to cry and shit yourself? Maybe you could use that as basing material for this garbage mudcore 40K clone.
No, it clearly isn’t
Incorrect. It clearly is. Most of this thread is just posts talking about 40K.
Only because you raided the thread
Incorrect. Again. Would you like to make another attempt?
Every thread about this game is just people saying it totally doesn't have anything in common with 40K while posting art that is clearly ripped off of 40K.
Only because you're a literal Black person raiding a thread like a falseflagging prostitute, 40kid.
>only because 40k just ripped off other sci-fi at the time that did the same thing.
who was doing that before 40k?
it's rather uncommon even today, with 40k being hugely influential - people tend to copy other parts of it
40k certainly ripped tons of shit from other scifi (most notably dune) but i don't know who else was doing gothic religious trench warfare
Rogue trooper obviously
i'm not very familiar with anything from 2000 AD but looking at pictures online that doesn't seem to be very gothic OR religious
it does seem to have had a lot of influence on 40k though, along with judge dredd and probably everything else ever published in that magazine
just not the kind of influence anon is alleging
Nemesis the warlock is and there are several things in warhammer directly ripped from it and history of the runestaff
>Nemesis the warlock
never even heard of this one but it looks pretty sick
it's certainly gothic but i don't see trench warfare
>history of the runestaff
this one seems MUCH closer, but as it's a novel i can't tell from a quick google search if it describes gothic architecture and cathedrals
to be clear, i'm not saying 40k is some perfectly original israeliteel (there is nothing new under the sun) but that the specific aesthetic of devoutly religious conscripts dying in trenches dug at the feet of great cathedrals is a rather distinctive aspect of it
anyway now i have some more shit to look up and read so that's cool
More like the artist of Nemesis the Warlock also worked for GW.
Do you mind to elaborate?
Which one? It sounds like BS.
I suspect he's thinking of Pat Mills' writing The Redeemer.
That was fifteen years later than Rogue Trader, that anon is stupid AF.
in fairness to it, Blanche actually plays it (has a trench crusade warband painted up on his facebook) as does the guy that invented mordheim Tuomas.
>the artwork also seems very Beksinski
Fixed
>here's my canned response meme image to prove you wrong
This is literally 40K but without the comedy present in the early years that had a lasting effect on the franchise. The result is an even edgier and more boring setting.
40k also has a wide variety of different types of things with different aesthetics in it. This is 40k with all the fun and interesting parts filed off.
got em
Thanx anon needed a giggle.
Sixth post best post.
>Verification not required.
Frick off James.
>RTH
>It's nothing like 40k! Ignore that the creator is very open about being influenced by Blanche!
>Game about the Crusades never ending even as it progresses into industrialized trench warfare and opens the gates of Hell on Earth
>"iT's JuSt ThE sAmE aS 40k"
It's like you can tell whose tabletop gaming experience is 5th edition D&D and playing the Dawn of War video game
>religious trench warfare with gothic architecture
>blanchitsu style in all the official art
>grimdark setting about a never-ending crusade
>creator literally isn't trying to hide the fact that it's inspired by 40k
Why are you so deep in denial about this? Being like 40k isn't a bad thing.
>Trench Warfare
One faction in 40k is known for this.
>Blanchitsu official art
I haven't seen any of Blanche's art. It just looks like grotesque medeival horror art.
>Grimdark Crusade stuff
Not exclusive to 40k by a long shot.
>Creator isn't trying to hide
Haven't seen this, either.
But I do agree- it isn't a bad thing to be similar to 40k in some ways. However, I like this is more grounded in an industrial era and seems to lack the absurd shit from 40k (which is fun for 40k).
It does seem like it's trying to be its own thing- but let's be fair- the last thing we need to do is give GW the idea that they've defined an entire genre that is basically 'dark and violent with guns and war'. They'll try and trademark every one of those words.
>It does seem like it's trying to be its own thing- but let's be fair- the last thing we need to do is give GW the idea that they've defined an entire genre that is basically 'dark and violent with guns and war'. They'll try and trademark every one of those words.
fair
Looking more into the art, it does seem to be leaning even more heavily into religion than 40k does, as well being far more grimdark than 40k has been for the last... I dunno, 10 years? 15?
But I'm more interested in collecting miniatures than playing a skirmish game, so I'll wait and see if it develops in the direction of full armies or not. An RTS would be cool as well.
>leans more into religious vine than the game about the God emperor of mankind.
Lol
It's okay dude, you can just say your game was influenced by Warhammer. It'll work better than this bullshit.
I have been saying that this entire thread, moron.
>"The only tabletop game I've ever played is 40k"
Fixed it
IW, IF, DK, likely.more
Too.much assblasted amusement to respond pst that.
>I haven't seen any of Blanche's art. It just looks like grotesque medeival horror art.
Lmao. Lol.
Just shut up and let the grown-ups talk, secondary scum.
>Game about the Great Crusade never ending even as it progresses into industrialized trench warfare and opens the gates of Hell on Cadia
I changed two words you absolute clown.
nta and I'm going to leave aside it being rich for a 40kgay to moan about other settings being derivative, the great crusade ending 10k years before the present day of the setting is a bit inconvenient for your stupid tryhard gotcha attempt
It's made by one of the guys that created Mordheim, so...
I mean it very clearly has some inspiration from 40k, but yeah I wouldn't call it just another version of it either thematically or aesthetically.
They hated him for he told the truth
not really familiar with this but it looks like 40k crossed with turnip28 (which was already very 40k-like)
It's really just too early to tell. Right now it's a handful of models and no real system to play them in so there's not really any way of knowing how it'll wind up. I do like his models though, so I hope they do some of these lads.
>it's not based on 40k
>the heraldry is fricking codex compliant
I think there's only so many times you can say "that's because they're both taking after the same things".
>red helmet for sarge
>squad arrow painted on pauldron (post-firearm pauldrons for that matter)
>medieval-armored giant with machinegun
If it's not 40k, perhaps you would prefer another target? Name the system.
Yeah, he also is "a soldier guy" and is "portrayed over a background", and is "in color".
Apparently it's "warcraftian amerislop" inspired according to
As for other things that have taken inspiration from the spanish inquisition or heavy religious tones and mixed it with either scifi or dark fantasy, off the top of my you've got
>Nemesis the Warlock (which 40K gleefully ripped to the bone)
>Requiem: vampire Knight
>Metabarons
>The Studio Ghibli short/music video "On Your Mark" where cyberpunk cops raid a bunch of technocultists experimenting on an angel
>Doom
>Quake
>Blasphemous
>Dark Souls
>Darkest Dungeon
There's of course tons more out there pre and post-dating 40K because believe it or not, 40K did not invent the concept of heavily borrowing the aesthetics of the Catholic Occult.
Ok but that doesn't stop that inquisitor model from being rad af?
>mudcore religious fanatics shooting enemies from trenches with grimdark garnish on everything
So... Krieg? From 40k?
See
I did see that. What's your point? Can you actually articulate an argument instead of posting memes in place of one?
I think not even getting into that most of the tropes this shares with warhammer are thing warhammer ripped off, the issue is you guys have this mindset of "oh why should I care if this is just like warhammer" when really you should just be glad that there's more dark sci-fi to enjoy.
Everybody keeps saying "ripped off 40k" but his stuff looks cooler than what 40k makes now so that's just fine by me.
Oh a monodominnt Inquisitor. Cool 40k vibe.
If only actual Inquisitor models were that cool instead of discount WHF Witch Hunters or discount space marines.
That model you linked is way cooler than grimdark Warcraft amerislop.
>man with no taste.jpg
You sound like you jerk off to slop you've "created", no wonder you'd like generic digital quasislop too.
>Angry man with no taste
Bitchin’ be the shoulder pauldrons, Penitent One.
>Buying trench crusade models because GW stuff hasn't been grimdark or gothic for years.
Worthy point anon.
>it's just a coincidence that Trench Crusade resembles 40K, which just so happens to be the most popular miniature game on the planet
>32mm
As if models weren't too large already. It'd feel really awkward running battles with more than 30 or 40 models between two players at that scale on 4' x 6' tables.
not a fan of the scale, but it's the stupidly small board size thats the issue. A real board is big enough you can only just reach over the mid point
Haven't heard anything about it. Call me a skeptic, but when it's getting towards a year and you can't show me anything other than like 5 miniatures... I'm going to write this off as "probably dead but I might be surprised".
Sorry but if it's going to be another "skirmish game where you can choose from nearly 25 characters!" I'll just.. go do something else.
Plus if "OnTabletop" is preaching it like it's the second coming of Christ, it may as well just be nothing at all.
>loincloth is ammunition belt
That's a fun detail.
This is one of my favorite images from the artwork.
>orthodox Christianity
>flagellation
Why?
Orthodox Christians had them too, they were called khlysts. Rasputin was alleged to be one of them but it was (likely) bullshit.
>khlysts
>christians
I'm already being extremely generous by calling Orthodoxy Christianity at all rather than being an asiatic despot infrastructure with the veneer of religion, but this is well beyond the pale.
I don't give a frick about any of that and I am not going to engage your desire to go off the deep end into some pseudo-Ganker sperg out. Khlysts existed. Deal with it.
>Khlysts existed. Deal with it.
No one was debating whether or not they existed, but you moving the goalpost tells me everything I need to. Concession accepted.
>The Khlysts or Khlysty were an underground Spiritual Christian
NTA but you seem like a Supreme gay of the highest order. Don't bother @ me because I'll just ignore your gaygity ass.
Don't engage him, he's exposed his hand as a shitbaiter.
>disagreeing with someone is bait
> bases his understanding of complex religious institutions on Wiki
He's right tho a lot of "christian" sects have absolutely nothing Christian about them beside using a similar language to describe different things. An isolationist, sexually promiscuous sect which encourages what would widely be seen as sorcery and claims a new Christ as his leader is not Christian in any shape or form, its just using the same words.
lmao all of Christianity is a despotic infrastructure meant to indoctrinate the masses into slave morality, Anon
Thanks for the input Mr Marx.
arguing on Ganker again?
some quippy one liners to totally btfo the other anon?
some greentext, maybe some bait?
a few buzzwords maybe?
yep. it's Ganker time!
>6'0 vs 5'11
Im still waiting for the lore reason which explains the high birth rate which justifies the high death rate
and if its not orgies of holy prostitution and sinful hedonism i will be very sad
> During the Crusades a heretical band of Templars dared defy the Almighty and, casting aside their sacred vows, unleashed the forces of Hell upon the Earth
AGAIN with that silly anti-templar propaganda. Oh well, silly enough of an excuse for a setting full of litteral demons, I guess. But still, it's as old and tired of a meme as surrender-french is
>AGAIN with that silly anti-templar propaganda
Did you forget the "heretical" part of their name?
Did you forget that the entire Templar order has been branded as heretical irl simply because goddamn Philip IV didn't want to pay back his goddamn loan? So yeah, "muh devil-worshiping templars" is kind of the lamest excuse imaginable for having demons on earth
>conflating real life with a game
And now things are making sense
>no, you don't understand anon, it's FICTIONAL, that makes my shitty lore based on an historical lie that's been repeated forever 100% cool, you see?
Black person
Mad you straw grasping is that obvious huh?
Anyway. Where is the game? Where are its rules? Do those even exist? It's just a vague scam with no lore to speak of, and illustrated with some AI slop lazily thrown together in order to steal the money of some gullible fools, right?
We've entered an age where all bad art is just assumed to be AI-produced.
>Where is the game? Where are its rules?
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/31wxlx6f1lhkway38cmuv/h?rlkey=tkuih4cf7yu9luy2wy3j3l7il&dl=0
It's currently in an early beta state at the moment. I'm surprised no one has posted the full rules yet. Starts with around 10 models each side with the implication you would increase that during campaign play. Most units outside of high-specialized elites are pretty simple and rely on gear to customize how they function.
>illustrated with some AI slop lazily thrown together in order to steal the money of some gullible fools
https://www.artstation.com/sirfrancisdrake
Game's creator has been working in the tabletopg and vidya industry for a while, so it's definitely not lazy AI art.
Semi-related, if you were to run a one-shot set in the Trench Crusade, any particular system you'd use?
Heavily modified Esoterrorists.
Does the game actually have saracens? I'm down for dieselpunk muhjadeens,
I believe they're the 5th faction alongside two flavors of hell and two flavors of Christians.
The crescent shield lmao this shit is literally so fricking bad I can't this sucks so much
That is certainly a "you"-problem
They're technically considered a part of the Faithful faction.
>Trench Crusade thread
>Immediately devolves into shitflinging
Some things never change
I like how the falseflagging 40ktards have gone from saying "this isn't /tg/ ban it from the board!!" to screeching about how much it "rips off 40k" now that it's an actual game and all their usual shitposting literally doesn't work anymore. Worst posters on this board by a country mile.
>"rips off 40k"
They aren't wrong, and the fact that you get so assblasted by that indicates you know its true as well. I don't get what your problem is. Starcraft shamelessly ripped of 40k and made history. Why are you so insecure?
Because 40K is all a bunch of ripoffs of other space opera tropes. Frick off.
This. 40k is the biggest pile of ripped off material in the entire goddamn world and yet these homosexuals think this argument works on literally anything else? It is mindboggling how moronic the average 40k fan has to be to think ripping off the mother of all ripoffs is some sort of capital crime.
Zoomer gamers who haven’t ever read a fricking book in their lives. Hell, these days a lot of them don’t even game themselves. They watch other people game and consume their opinions too. Shitposting is free.
Yep.
>I don't get what your problem is
Fanboys don't like it when you call something they're a fan of "just xyz but slightly different" because it's reductive and shows you're a normie who doesn't care about fiction beyond surface level aesthetics.
>Starcraft shamelessly ripped of 40k
Another lie forced by 40kids.
Idk they are cool indie models. I threw down for some a looooooong time ago and have been waiting and I think James (the dude’s name, not James Workshop) is shipping them sometime soon. I saw pictures of his bins full of finished casts anyway.
Today on /tg/:
/nogames/ shit themselfs about a super obscure indie system that will have six players worldwide.
More at eleven.
You are right, this should have been another 40k or D&D thread
Best case scenario, it's a game to play when 40k hits critical mass and becomes unplayable. Worst case, cool minis to kitbash with.
I don't see the problem these people have. Having elements that look like 40k just mean it won't be as hard to convert minis between the games.
Some people would rather just be angry here than talk about games.
>Worst case, cool minis to kitbash with.
They've previewed some renders of the basic troops and they're multipart kits, which should be neat. No idea what the ETA is on those though since the first batch of Kickstarter models hasn't even shipped yet.
>Christian hell exists, is actively invading the world
>Christian God also demonstrably exists and is helping the catholic church fight back with visions-as-intel, holy blessings that kill demons, occasional angelic intervention, cloned copies of Jesus who's flesh turns you into the hulk, resurrections for faithful martyrs, and more
>Muslims still exist, refuse to convert
Based?
Muslims are actually one of the Faithful factions opposing the Heretic and Demonic forces. All of the Religious groups unified more or less to push back the onslaught of Hell, but still leave their own individual beliefs and internal issues.
It's like reading your average Palworld thread.
Not really because pokemon actually started a trend of monster catching games (smt came before it but it was darker in tone) and warhammer just ripped off existing dark sci-fi. Really if any game is like palworld it's warhammer not trench crusade, which isn't even in space and has completely different lore from warhammer 40k.
Is this another thread where 40k tards claim GW invented everything?
Yes.
The rules were posted and it's being developed by the guy who did Mordheim. Determine for yourself if that's good slough for your arbitrary standards.
40kids should get their own board similiar to /mlp/
They did, you're posting on it.
I do too, but it also wouldn't make trench crusade any less shit. It's a game that's a compilation of art first, a setting second, and a wargame last.
This isn't even getting into how dogshit trench crusade threads are. Yes, it's a 40k derivative, but aside from it being a derivative of the most tasteless fictional casserole second only to marvel, it being a derivative by itself is not necessarily a mark against it.
tl;dr trench crusade being a wargame is an afterthought and has nothing positive going for it
>not a single comment on the rules
It's just Mordheim, what else is there to discuss? Nothing has been innovated here and it only serves as a reminder that it being a wargame is an afterthought after this art got popular on twitter.
If it had just remained as a few pieces of art and nothing else was elaborated on, it would've been fine. It didn't need to have additions of dull lore or rules for a game.
I don't even blame the artist, beyond caving into these demands to build a derivative piece of schlock. The real culprit here is ultimately corporations who have latched on to the "shared universe" model of franchising ever since the release of the Avengers. Now, nothing can simply stand on its own merit, it has to connect to a dozen other vaguely related pieces of work, and nerds being moronic have gobbled this right up.
Who cares about aesthetics is the game any good? If this going to be worth playing or is another in a long line of coffee table wargames that are all style and no substance?
What do you think? Honestly, what do you think the answer is? It seems obvious to me.
I know but maybe this one was going to be the exception that proves the rule.
They are wargames that are designed to be displayed rather than played, almost always coming with an evocative art style, overpriced stl minis, and mechanics so bland and simple that they make OPR's stuff look like old WRG games like Challanger.
thanks captain obvious, I asked for examples though
Reign in hell (or almost anything by snarling badger studios), sludge and its imitations, Forbidden Psalm and other mork borg wargames
didn't realise moerk boerg had wargames and was inclined to believe you at face value but I'd also heard a few interesting things about Sludge so decided to google it, and in a very literal sense it's not a coffee table wargame as its PDF only which does undercut your air of authority
Remember, you're not allowed to like a 'small' wargame.
You can only play a wargame if it's popular.
If you and your friend group are the only ones who play it - even if you maintain enough minis that anyone who shows up to the local shop can jump in for a pick-up game - it doesn't count as a 'real game.'
I am sorry you have brain damage anon, it must be tough being able to only play rules with the mechanical depth of a puddle in the middle of july
maybe my memory is such that it simply doesn't retain stuff I'm interested in, but what coffee table wargames? doesn't seem to be much of a thing compared to RPGs
Rules are out. It's Mordheim with alt activation.
>It's Mordheim with alt activation.
I mean, that's already a pretty good basis, if a bit uninspired. Anything else that adds flavor to the mechanics?
So, kinda like Agartha? The game /tg/ shitposted 10+ factions with over 200 units out of nowhere in less than 6 months, and got playtested?
And this guy has had how long to work on this?
>draw a few portraits that are aesthetically interesting
>Feel the need to "craft" "lore" for the morons on Twitter who got into the hobby circa 2014
>Several years of stringing these tards along and all there is to show for it is a few half baked models
>Feel the need to "craft" "lore" for the morons on Twitter who got into the hobby circa 2014
There was always lore. Like, from mthe very beginning. You cynical Black folk always do this shit - assuming everyone else is like you and that they're incapable of doing shit on their own for their own enjoyment and love of worldbuilding without being "forced" by other people. And I know damn fricking well that people with mindsets like yours have not and will never play games.
GMing a Star Wars FFG and preparing to GM a Blades in the Dark game. Also a player in a Chronicles of Darkness game.
What are you playing, anon? It's something other than dnd, right?
>“I am the son of many chiefs. My sword is sharp and terrible. It is the mightiest of things when the cauldron of war boils fiercely.”
>Military expeditions over the Great Iron Wall into No Man’s Land carry many risks, and their commanders are field officers known as Yüzbaşı. They are expected to lead from the front and their selection is solely on merit, with no consideration given to family pedigree or wealth. Many are promoted from the ranks of the Janissary corps.
>Their bodies are enhanced by the Jabirean alchemical arts and their minds conditioned by the mystics, allowing them to face any foe unflinchingly. The downside of the mystic mental hardening is their utter disregard for pain and their cold ruthlessness on the battlefield. Casualties, both their own and those of the enemy, as well as those non-combatants who believe, are purely utilitarian to Yüzbaşı. For is it not just to send heretics to Jahannam, while the warriors who fall in battle will wake in Paradise, as has been promised?
>Under the orders of a powerful pasha or emir, or even the Sultan himself, the Yüzbaşı assumes the command of an elite squad of warriors to fulfil their task, such as to reclaim holy artefacts lost during the catastrophic period when Heretics took the Levant by storm. Other times, they are told to find and eliminate powerful foes, such as Heretic nobles who were once subjects of the Sultan but have turned their backs to Allah.
>Yüzbaşı are equipped with superb armour of meteoric iron, the finest carbines gilded with silver and loaded with alchemical shot, and carry kilij swords of the past heroes of Sultanate, where great deeds of old are inscribed with golden calligraphy. If they serve the Sublime Gate well, their name and glory will be etched on the blade as well to inspire future generations.
>The strongest carry the dreaded hand cannons which double as deadly halberds. If they are hunters of distinction, they wear pelts of their greatest kills, such as chimeras, as cloaks, which offer protection from the powers of Shaitan.
>Success brings Yüzbaşı the favour of the Sultan and along with it honour, splendid weaponry of damascus steel, gold dinars aplenty and access to the wondrous devices and creatures created by the Jabirean alchemists in the House of Wisdom. Hunting is a noble pursuit within the ranks of the officer corps, and artificial birds of prey and automaton hounds double as potent weapons of war and are brought along to the front to aid their masters at war.
>My sultan, your orders regarding the "artificial birds of prey"... perhaps there was a mistake
>What do you mean, Khemsit?
>It says that they must have... bazongers, Sultan? What is this you specify?
>Khemsit, stop playing stupid right the frick now. breasts, Khemsit! Breasts! The birds must have boobies!
>Esteemed Sulta-
>BREASTS!
>...It shall be so, Sultan, Alhamdulillah.
The Sultan is truly a wise man.
Truly ugly art
It might wanna be Beksinski, but there is no talent, no imagination - it's a bad concept badly executed.
Truly looks like slop.
>WWI vs. hell
Sounds like a cool setting for an epic-scale wargame
>...Mordheim clone
Lmao wtf, we all love Mordheim but I don't think that's the best ruleset to sell this guy's art project
It's a heavily modified Mordheim. Personally, I think it works for now.
I've been stumbling upon this project over and over.
It seems awfully tryhard for some reason.
The author coming here and b***hing about how it's totally unique and deep probably doesn't help.
Also regardless of whether you like the aesthetic or not, the artstyle looks like the worst possible one to translate well into models.
I really hope this wargame succeeds. GW needs competition, and honestly this game has some nice aesthetics and the miniatures look nice.
Though I have a feeling that a lot of Warhammer fans will be turned off from the miniatures because chances are that the miniatures will be released in resin, which Warhammer fans seem to have a never ending hatred for.