>try Dark Souls for the first time
>stumble upon 30 different OP weapons that completely break the game just by doing some basic exploration
>use one of them to breeze through the EZ bosses
Wow what an experience prepare to die.
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You should have tossed them away as using them means that you didn't beat the game
Ah I see I have to handicap myself to "beat" this easy ass game
Welcome to the souls zone. Where you have to make the game harder but not too hard because that would require getting good
if you didnt lobotomize yourself before playing you didn't really beat the game
Basically any of the starting weapons can carry you through the game with regular upgrades. Even mage or cleric builds can still rock a dagger or mace if you convert them to a magic dagger or holy mace
My current build is moronic but I'm having fun.
>RH Magic Rapier / Sorcerer's Catalyst
>LH Ghost dagger
>Light rolls
>not sticking with +15 S STR scaling mace
NGMI
This, the best weapon in the game is just sitting in the ground completely unguarded in the second area of the game
Which is this one?
Don’t say zweihander because it is guarded by a lot of bones
The halberd in undead parish
True
Regular halberd isn't as good as the Gargoyle halberd.
The Katana after I killed that creepy merchant guy
Those skeletons are easy to run past.
The winged spear is also back there which will carry you pretty far while letting you turtle in safety.
>GOAToc is right under firelink shrine, requires zero effort to get
>First vendor sells arguably the best shield (Heater) and one of the best weapons in the game (Reinforced Club) for PvE
>Zweihander, Grave Scythe, and Gravelord Sword are all a fairly easy run past some skellies
>Astora's Straight Sword can be found in like 5 minutes with the master key, and by the time it falls off you can just easily replace it with a Holy Longsword
>Katana, Claymore, and Halberd are in the first intended section of the game before the first real boss, and you can pretty easily farm for the godly Balder Side Sword
>If you explore downwards you can immediately get extra soul arrows for mage builds
>Random chance of getting Black Knight Weapons as early drops, which are all fantastic
Kino.
Have fun, OP
where exactly could you have explored and what weapon could you have possibly gotten
>zweihander
unlikely considering upon dying a newbie would not go that way
>great scythe
see above
>drake sword
lol
idk what else there is but it's pretty unlikely, maybe the uchigatana but even still extremely unlikely
Scimitar for the first part of the game than I just wondered aimlessly around blighttown trying to find my way down and found the Fachion, also found Laito
none of those are particularly game breaking kek
oh so there's even more broken weapons in the game that you can just randomly find?
name some of them I bet I have them in my current inventory, zero guides or wikipedia articles read.
i don't really need to considering you are larping
I beat the game using a Raw Laito fully upgraded and the Black Iron Set, how unbelievable is that?
I always thought 2h r1s with falchion or scimitar must be the highest DPS in the game. Am I right or wrong souls autists?
Queelag Furysword is far better
It has one of the coolest move sets too.
>unlikely considering upon dying a newbie would not go that way
Not unlikely at all I found it on my first playthrough. Saw the loot from a distance and just suicided before even leveling up.
I'm amazed that this isn't how everybody plays these games. You're probably going to corpse run to the boss after dying anyway so why not just corpse run from the getgo?
I always wonder why they waste their time with poison swamps. Obviously I'm just gonna let myself get poisoned, run around grabbing everything I see, and then probably die. Are there "people" out there who actually play through the swamp levels slowly?
I grabbed everything in the graveyard right away on my first playthrough. Death is meaningless in these games unless you have souls to lose and you don't have souls to lose at the start of the game.
People played faith because the pve options meant you never suffered that shit.
>game let's me cheat so cheating is not bad anymore muh
kys Black person
>unlikely considering upon dying a newbie would not go that way
That's funny. The very first time I played Dark Souls, I went straight to the cemetery and thought it was the intended direction. Why?
>game starts you off in Firelink FACING THAT DIRECTION
>I'd heard all about Dark Souls being his OMG SO HARDCORE game
>skeletons are classic starting enemies in fantasyslop
So yeah, I did get the Zwei on my very first playthrough.
Then the first Black Knight dropped the sword.
>face me downhill upon start up
I'm going to walk down the hill before turning around to go uphill. It just feels right.
What the frick are you talking about?
You start in ds facing down hill toward the cemetary. Everyone went that way because we naturally will walk downhill over uphill and the dev's spawn you facing that way.
Mario loads world 1-1 facing right. 99% of people just move right before turning around to see if they can go left. This is basic body shit anon.
If you talk to the npc at the shrine he tells you to go up
When you load in you face down. Nothing wrong with clearing up to into if you can. Options are good.
Piss easy build is specifically pyro if you aren't doing that you aren't doing the piss easy build.
Pyro spells have fewer charges and worse tracking/distance. The only spell that’s worth it is Combustion for PvP or Power Within for lolnuke.
Great Chaos Fireball is a boss melter in mid game.
Doesn't matter, it's broken and you dont get why yet. Whoever you were talking to that said it was an easy build was talking about the pyro hand.
Ita always pyro hand when people say magic is op in dark souls. You just dont know why yet. You'll learn.
You’re an idiot. The one shotting boss spell is Dark Bead + Power Within lmfao.
Pyro is why people can do sl1 runs easily. Pyro hand being op is old hat dude stop replying to me.
Okay buddy.
Thx for being reasonable anon. Have a great weekend bro!
>Everyone went that way because we naturally will walk downhill over uphill
Nice twitter-tier psychological axiom, moron
Why are you arguing about a truism from 15 years ago we all know happened?
Exactly how my first playthrough went and same thought process.
And yet Fromdrones insist the cemetery is some sort of secret late game area. Boggles my mind.
Most people didn't have the same "le hardcore" expectation so once they saw they were dealing no damage to the skelies they would have probably turned around and went down the second most reasonable path with far weaker enemies.
Learning how to navigate the environment in Dark Souls is a learning curve all its own. The paths are not all obvious, and there are areas of the game hidden behind really thin ledges or invisible walls or bizarre unintuitive platforming or key items hidden in entirely different regions of the world.
>and there are areas of the game hidden behind really thin ledges or invisible walls or bizarre unintuitive platforming or key items hidden in entirely different regions of the world.
Figuring out how to return to the Asylum and finding some random ass key that unlocks another secret area in the opposite end of the game is some of the most kino shit in any Souls game tbf.
It always spooked me out where you find the Peculiar Doll and what it means.
I did the same thing and "got gud" through here before turning back and realizing the much easier area exists that you're supposed to go through. Rest of the game was mostly a breeze because I had already gotten gud on skeletons.
I did Undead Burg first but once I got the elevator back down to Firelink I took on the skeletons before ever ringing a bell. You don't even need a holy weapon if you get really good at kicking people off cliffs. I went all the way down to Tomb of the Giants and saw the big golden door that I wasn't allowed through, got pissed and climbed my way back out after lighting the bonfire. Doing that whole ordeal early on my first playthrough is my most enduring memory of the entire game. After that I did the depths and blight town and Spiderbreasts before fighting the gargoyles.
Apparently the bonfire next to the skeleton blacksmith was not in the original release of the game. I can't even fricking imagine that.
>unlikely considering upon dying a newbie would not go that way
Why wouldn't a newbie go that way? The first thing that catches your attention when leaving the shrine is the ruined cathedral, and if you go in there it leads you to the cemetery. Meanwhile the "correct" path to the burg is a skinny path up a hill that's barely noticeable and just looks like a feature of the cliff that you can't actually walk on.
They would, but they'd get wrecked and go somewhere else. It's actually very likely you do go that way cause of the church and the fact it spawns you looking that way, but upon dying ten times you go somewhere else unless you are a masochist. Also think as a newbie you don't have any clue what the game even is so why would you waste your time going some way that may not even reward you without even checking other places it doesn't make sense
Sucks that the uchi is unattainable for true newbies/blind players, my favorite weapon in all soulsring games. At least washing pole is feasible in the first half
>claymore
stupidly easy to find and it's probably the best str weapon before blighttown
i went to the cemetery first simply because i didnt see the little path leading up to the aqueduct
Any black knight weapon.
most overrated franchise of the 2010s. Not a single souls game is above mediocre.
2 is a masterpiece thoughever
im trans btw, i know is important for you guys to know
nah. Dark Souls crippled action RPGs as a genre.
Game is the 1st where they actually tried with the combat and it is mostly beloved, due to world design and art design on top of interesting combat. The DLC is the real test of skills in it. Manus, Artorias and Kalameet are some of the most fun bosses in the franchise. If you only care for combat then Sekiro and even Thymesia are way better.
wrong gif
Cuckold take. Ds pioneered a new genre.
whatever games you hold in high esteem are also mediocre
Even worse, he's probably the type who wouldn't even list them out of fear of being called out on them.
Dragons Dogma is good but flawed. Clearly not perfect, but definitely a step up.
a step up in what?
gameplay, artistic design (personal opinion), voice work and story
All of these are extremely "personal"/subjective, the games are completely different (though I can't imagine thinking DS voice acting sucks, or that story in DD is particularly engaging). Dragons Dogma is about killing 500 wolves while walking through a forest, DS1 is a kingsfield-like.
DS1's gameplay just rolling and backstabs. DD runs leaps around it. The voice acting in DS1 is just mediocre, i cant think of a single line that is burned in to my brain like the many lines from DD.
In my opinion there are no other games that could compare as you can DD and DS1. Almost anything DS1 does DD does better and/or more varried.
After playing DS1 on and off since it hit PC I only just started figuring out parries consistently. It's a lot of fun.
did you skip the tutorial?
No but I never bothered with them because hiding behind a shield was easier. Now that I'm doing a largely no-shield run and more experienced with the enemies it's a lot of fun.
I am convinced there is more to Dark Souls 'gameplay' than that, I guess you are using it as a moronic shorthand for 'combat' but that would still be the case.
>i cant think of a single line that is burned in to my brain like the many lines from DD
LOL. The only lines people remember from Dogma are memes spouted by pawns because you hear them ad nauseam throughout the game. You just have a shit taste, DS1 voice acting (much of which iirc was done by stage actors) is probably one of the most memorable things about the game and I am not the first one to say that.
>In my opinion there are no other games that could compare as you can DD and DS1
You mean there are no other games between which you could make a terrible dogshit comparison?
>DS1's gameplay just rolling and backstabs. DD runs leaps around it.
The complete opposite, because Souls games are fundamentally about managing timings and hitboxes while balancing aggression and defense, they are very interesting and addictive. Dragon's Dogma is incredibly boring after you used the same auto targeted abilities making you dash 20 meters towardsboring and slow enemies with shitty gimmicks and zero level design in its encounters.
>slow enemies with shitty gimmicks and zero level design in its encounters
Did we play the same DD? One of the core concepts of DD is verticality, climbing and using the environment. Throwing enemies off cliffs, attacking from high ground, climbing, etc.
Are you sure you didn't just use the DLC ring and spam Blink Strike like a moron?
>Did we play the same DD? One of the core concepts of DD is verticality, climbing and using the environment. Throwing enemies off cliffs, attacking from high ground, climbing, etc.
No it isn't, why are you lying? Dragon's Dogma is about spamming arrows, blink strike, parry or whatever that is your vocation uses. It's a game designed around MMO tier abilities that the AI can't keep up with. There's nothing making Dragon's Dogma combat interesting. Whatever you do you are not engaging with the enemy, the only webms of the game are just instagibbing minibosses with said mmo abilities, abusing the frick out of them and generally bullying piss poor enemy design. Just look at how cool and fun fighting Kalameet was in AotA and comparing it with the joke that was Grigori.
I played both of them, and I played Souls games more than everyone else here. The mechanics around which Souls games were built are makes it fun and refreshing. They are all part of a cohesive vision for combat created for a PVPVE system, so you are always engaged with your enemy
your post indicates you havemt played either game
You can't criticize these games around these parts, pal. They'll come and tell you you've played it the wrong way.
did you have fun?
Just play Nioh 2 for a better souls experience. This is now a Nioh thread.
Dark Souls is pretty easy for me too. My first Souls was Dark Souls 2, then I did Dark Souls 3 (the best).
But believe it or not, even tryhards like my little brother, with absolutely OP weapons that cheese the game, can't always breeze through this game. My brother has given up before mid-game to play Elden Ring instead (that he's better at). He just sucks too much.
So maybe it's not the game that's easy, it's you who's good.
2011 was a different time. This game came out one month before Skyrim. You're playing Dark Souls in a post-Dark Souls world. All the things it does are now cliche, its difficulty now common. If you ask me everyone who played Dark Souls because they thought it was hard fell for Bamco advertising and probably buys Mountain Dew and Doritos on the regular, and has their eyes shuttered from the cool things you can do with your build and the cool setting.
Don't even act like Ganker gave a shit about souls til the PC launch.
I'll chop your PC Mustard Paste head off with my 2007 AC4 Blu-Ray like I'm fricking Odd Job. DeS threads were peak.
Ganker imported demons souls over 9000 times from playAsia and is why any souls game gets released in the west.
Learn your history dumbass tourist.
We were literally the first and only group that ever really cared.
the demons and dark souls general were next to mass effect and pokemon one of the major general threads before the split
newbie
>All the things it does are now cliche
then where is my interconnected 3d world backtracking kino with no fast travel?
Ds games are hard with self imposed limits. Try 1 estus run (per rest). Not so easy now, eh?
I can't beat the first boss (the one on the castle wall not the tutorial). Am I moronic? I'm a zoomer playing DS for the first time.
Use plunge attacks
How did you beat the asylum demon?
By doing as the game told me and jumping down to deal loads of damage, then running around dodging his attacks attacking in between his attacks.
Yes. There's a ladder to the upper rampart immediately to your right when you enter the boss lair. Go up that ASAP, kill the crossbowmen, and get ready to take off 1/3-1/2 of the Taurus Demon's health.
Then you must master the only skill you will ever need in Dark Souls: Hugging the boss's left thigh.
>Then you must master the only skill you will ever need in Dark Souls: Hugging the boss's left thigh.
Don't forget the other skill of running away for 5 seconds while the boss attempts to punish you for hugging his left thigh.
My first time playing a DS game I had no idea what I was doing and died to him like 20 times, eventually it clicked that you're supposed to time your roll just as he makes his attack. Another thing I didn't realise is that you can block his attacks with a shield, I just assumed you couldnt because he's so big
Another thing that helped me was switching to controller from m+kb. Game is meant to be played with a controller
>Another thing I didn't realise is that you can block his attacks with a shield, I just assumed you couldnt because he's so big
Same with me I didn't even bother trying to block at first because if skinny hollow soldiers could break my guard surely this thing could, I also didn't know that iframes were a thing and thought you had to actually dodge out of the way of attacks instead of through them. Playing a souls game blind for the first time is tough only because the game doesn't explain the basic fundamental mechanics.
I just kinda run into his legs and waived my sword, and the second attempt worked. Probably was a bit high level due to struggling a lot to get to him.
Dark souls is not that difficult
Hug and circle and just keep swinging your weapon. Just watch your stam
just keep at it you will get it eventually
Taurus is a great boss to learn how to bait attacks. You can control him almost as much as your own character. Figure where to stand to bait a certain attack, walk backwards to dodge it, then punish him for missing you.
You can stick close and circle around his legs like you did with the tutorial boss but the castle wall doesn't have as much room to move around like that.
This boss is also supposed to teach you about buffs. I'm not sure if anything in-game tells you this, but you should have picked up an item that gives your weapon temporary lightning damage. Taurus demon in particular is ultra-weak to lightning and his health will melt away.
You can also do plunging attacks on him, the same as the tutorial boss. Plunging attacks aren't viable for most of the game and bosses so if you like that mechanic you might as well go for it with this guy. You can also choose not to plunge on him and he'll jump up and fight you in an even smaller area for added challenge. Fair warning: sometimes the plunging attack doesn't set you down in a good place so you end up wedged between his feet and the entrance. It's the game's fault if that happens.
ALSO, you can cheese him and it isn't even a glitch. Not even much of a secret. You probably noticed that there are parts of the arena with the wall missing and you might also notice that he occasionally jumps backwards to get some distance. You can line that up right and watch him kill himself, but you're better off in the long run if you fight him and learn the above lessons. Especially baiting attacks. Everybody loves to circle strafe and parry in this game but I got through the majority the challenges watching dumbass AI swing its sword an inch away from my face before I punish them for wiffing.
Taurus has these options.
>use lightning resin you got a few minutes ago
>clear the archers on top of the tower behind you, get up to the point the boss spawns and turn and run, run back up, plunge attack, run to the other side, run back up to the tower and repeat, don't take too long to plunge
>bait him into doing his jumping attack to fall off the ledge
>stay behind him and wait for him to do his many slow and telegraphed attacks, keep a heater shield up or dodge
>Taurus
>options
Fricker just jumped off the battlements 5 seconds in first time I ever fought him. "Options" my ass.
That was one of the listed options. Unintentional baiting for him commiting suicide is still baiting.
An option that's chosen for you is not an option.
But it's still there.
Roll into his legs and hit him after his attacks miss, this works on everything in this game by the way.
You can easily beat taurus demon by running to the other side so he chases you, then run back and climb the ladder, do a plunge attack, repeat until hes dead
However you should try to beat him legit because he is very easy even if you fight him head-on. If you can't defeat him then you have zero chance of beating the next boss without using summons
>30 different OP weapons that completely break the game
List them. All 30.
I've never thought dark souls 1 was giving me hard vibes from the game, I always assumed they just added prepare to die to its title when they noticed how many people suck at it
List the weapons.
What’s the actual, proper way to play From games, in order? Obviously it’s by release date, but surely there is more simple logic to it than that?
Demon Souls(ps3) -> Dark Souls 1/2 -> Bloodborne / Dark Souls 3 -> Elden Ring?
Souls 1 & 2 play more similarly than 3, which plays more similarly to Bloodborne and Elden Ring.
Sekiro is stand-alone.
This is more or less correct. Playing Elden Ring before the others will really miff new players, since of the lack of a jump button. Only Sekiro has this. Play Sekiro right before -or- after Elden Ring.
Get whatever's on sale cheap you dumbass.
>2010s Ganker - "Git Gud"
>2020s Ganker - "Shit game"
Anyway Sekiro > Dark Souls
Kids believe being a contrarian makes them smart
I like how so many people ironically call Dark Souls 1 easy now we all just collectively forget that by finding OP weapons you're literally not letting the enemy even attack you.
At what stage of the game is Anor Londo? I just got here and am killing gargoyles by the big gates/doors with my +7 claymore like a chad
You're halfway. The game opens up after Anor Londo and there are a few different places you can go to next
Anor Londo is about 60% thought the game, 40% with DLC. Beating it unlocks about 30% of the base game's content.
A little bit more than half the game
unfortunately once you're done there the game gets significantly worse
Theres a reason it's one of the best games ever anon. Valid options for varied playstyles is froms bread and butter.
Welcome to the fanclub bro, you're gonna love the way you look.
the only reason darksouls is what it is and came ot be , was due to the atmosphere and freedom of going to "forbidden places" underleveld , undergeared cause you could actually do them and that spawned the whole genre that everyone tries to copy so damn hard for over a decade.
ive fond memories of all the soulslikes and there really is no best for me but elden ring is just really bad copypasta and a fraud.
>I-it was supposed to be easy
No, Fromsoftware nerfed everything on release, a lot of it due to publisher pressure, boosted the amount of Souls received too
>but elden ring is just really bad copypasta and a fraud.
Elden Ring is a return to form and to the design sensibilities of Demon's Souls far more than any Dark Souls game was.
Yeah I remember when I charged up my spear in DeS and unleashed a hall clearing explosion
I did that with the pyro hand. Dark souls was so goofy easy with the right tools.
>Pyro Hand
>DeS
Elden Ring is an evolution of Demon's Souls that pretty much course corrected every single mistake the Souls trilogy did
It brought back physical damage types that actually matter. Finally there's shit actually weak to slash besides naked NPCs, strike gives a considerable advantage against armor throughout the whole game and thrust is very powerful against enemies with scales or beasts.
It expanded the weapon categories, standardized their moveset and then smartly picked several weapons for special moveset variations in a way that makes sense, balanced around their stats, status effects and skill requirements.
It massively reduced fall damage to complement verticality in level design, added a proper tool to get over obstacles and traverse enviroments.
It brought back strong elemental counters, more and reworked focus on the use of consumables and combining attack and has several special boss fight-related tools. It also brought back status inducing builds that aren't a complete meme like in the entire Souls trilogy
This is the right take. ER is great by leaning into the best aspects of souls. It even fixed the infamous ds2 missteps.
Nah Elden Ring refined combat but it all but abandoned what really made demons souls good, variety and immersion, for a big 'impressive' open world and repeating fights that only work because the combat is fun
>Elden Ring is a return to form and to the design sensibilities of Demon's Souls far more than any Dark Souls game was.
Stormveil feels like boletaria castle fully realized. What you see you can explore. It's all the fantasies of early souls made real.
>it's another "DS is easy now that I have 700 hours in it" episode
sick of those
Ds1 was always easy. Its classic rpg/roguelike mindset where knowledge and preparedness make all the difference. When things can kill you in 3 hits you learn to slow and steady it and realize the game is designed for slow methodical knowledge based zone clearing.
Are roguelike easy? No. Are they hard? No. They just leverage learned knowledge the most.
>Its classic rpg/roguelike mindset
It's a classic Quake 1 mindset, because circlestrafing invalidates 90% of enemy attacks. Only it's even easier because you get full i-frame canned animation attacks if you circlestrafe behind an enemy.
But before you started circle strafing the boss has a clear statistical weakness and the dev's shower you in that item right before noss. With your brain you can okiedoke the boss with the gimme tools the dev's gave you.
See Phalanx and firebombs in demons souls 1-1. Almost everything has some weakness the dev's megaphone you use to simply delete the challenge. It just takes a knowledge base to utilize it.
>using consumables
>in an RPG
Idiot. What if you need them later?
so your blind playthrough was a breeze?
Yeah but I play roguelike and use that style of mindset in all rpgs.
I'll always burn a tree enemy with fire for instance.
I killed phalanx by spamming the firebombs they give you in demons souls. I used holy blunt maces in dark souls against skellingtons since I've played rpgs before.
you never got caught off guard? you never stepped on a trap? you never got careless? gtfo of here with this pro gamer fedora bullshit. I'd like to watch you deal with the anor londo archers.
Sure I did but the game gives you a block and dodge button. You can hold block and then pressing attack overrides it and goes back to shield up status.
When you learn that organically playing you learn to walk around holding block. It negates 90% of the spoop jump attacks from around a corner in the game on its own.
I'm happy for you anon but you are obviously an outlier.
If having played other aRPGs before Dark Souls makes me an outlier in this community then hoo boy do we have a problem. It would explain a lot, though.
>I'd like to watch you deal with the anor londo archers.
You run at them and then attack them. Stand behind the wall and time when you start advancing on them in time to when you hear the 2 of them firing. Kill left guy first, right is around an edge when you get into melee.
So.e just ran past them to explore and they do t follow into the darkness of the catacombs. You are now in the dark but you passed the skelebros. When you run past them you learn the cemetary is tiny.
homie I didn't ask for a strategy guide, we've all beaten the game a dozen times so far. I was wandering about wienery anon's first playthrough.
also "kill left guy first" is awful advise.
>also "kill left guy first" is awful advise.
It didn't use to be. Earlier versions of DaS1 unloaded the collisions on the tower that otherwise blocks the left archer from shooting you in the back as you engage the one on the right as soon as you step onto the parapet. I think that was eventually patched.
I'm the same anon bro. That is how I'd deal with the 2 archers because you asked what I'd do. That is literally what I'd do step by step.
I haven't played the game in 12 years and I still see the area clearly when I visualize it in my mind. I remember how long the buttresses are dude.
>I'd like to watch you deal with the anor londo archers.
Cleared them on the second try. Just sprint up the aches and went for the guy on the right, who switched to melee, did an attack and fell off the ledge.
Was surprised to learn that a lot of people got stuck on them.
what a weird larp.
You sound like you would love the Armored Core series. You spend half the time gearing to take down the next challenge in an optimal manner. You could bring one build to everything, and that can work, but to perform well you need to see what's coming and prepare for it.
I do love it lol. I'm the anon that boomer posts his godzilla and Sobek AC.
>breeze trough the EZ bosses
Wow you must be so good, an incredible gamer. Mom must be proud
I was told playing a pure sorcerer was “easy peasy”, but even with 60 soul arrows I am shooting over peoples heads when they run at me, and I run out of spells when I’m spamming the dark knights. From what I understand you only get like 4-8 charges of the strongest spells end game?
You all fricking lied to me!
>I am shooting over peoples heads when they run at me
The "remaster" fricked up spell tracking when locked on. Free-aim that shit (lol) or play the original at a sub-30 framerate.
No wonder Ganker hails it as the best game ever made.
Stop spamming spells that will inevitably miss. Work smarter, not harder. I’ve beaten this game without using a single melee attack. I didn’t even need a shield for the Anor Londo run. You don’t need a shield at all for this game, really.
Sorcery comes out of the tip of the staff, so you need to watch out and consider that. You might consider a shorter staff, if you can find one. Or, you could consider finding a spell to buff your melee weapon. A buffed curved sword can output some serious damage.
The Dark Knights are elite enemies that don't respawn. They're much harder to cheese.
>Sorcery comes out of the tip of the staff
It actually comes out of the fist. Only in ds2 does magic come out of the tip of the catalyst. In ds3 it is still the fist too.
>In ds3 it is still the fist too.
Good job, A-team.
Huh. How about that. I forgot, it's been too long since I played any form of int. I usually do Str/Int or hexes. The blue shit is boring.
If you want to be pure magic you need to be END maxxing, DEXmaxxing, and doing both FAI and INT.
You can't go pure sorcery early game without a backup weapon unless you've got the game memorized already and plotted out your run to get the best spells optimally and fast.
And ATT, you need lots of spell slots. Completely disregard STR after 10 (Heater Shield), and honestly save DEX for later unless you find yourself really bogged down.
>end
>dex
That’s not pure caster. I’ve beaten this game at level 64 without putting a single point into anything else but intel, attunment and faith. The only three you need for a pure caster. You don’t need martial qualities at all.
I'm sure YOU have, but most people trying it without being speedrunners/sweats are going to take some hits here and there. Having a lot of armor can help if you aren't going to be doing a lot of parrying or blocking since your hands are full with various catalysts.
pretty much yeah
anyone who thought this game is hard is a braindead zoomer who never played an actual hard game.
It’s “hard” because you -will- die to an unfair-as-frick game. “Haha, you died, that must mean it’s hard, haha”.
>I-it’s not hard, it’s just unfair, y-yeah
Your cringe is showing
DaS isn't "hard" as much as punishing. Precision platformers are hard (at first). Same with bullet hells, rhythm games, fighting games, etc. That stuff is physically difficult and requires tons of practice to mechanically perform.
Souls games are PUNISHING. They make small mistakes hurt, and compounding mistakes create compounding hurt.
>misread a common mob's attack? there's 50% health
>Do so next to another common mob? 100% of health and go back to do it all over again
>Make any number of frickups to die on the way back to your corpse? Lose 100% of your exp/currency
>Die to the wrong enemy attack? Cursed: lose 50% of health forever until you get it fixed through an expensive and rare consumable
>punishing
dude, you get infinite lives and infinitely grindable currency/exp
>Dude you can just grind enemy mobs to replace the massive EXP boost you got from that boss fight you worked your ass off to beat.
Yeah frick you. Don't you even remember how hopeless that felt the first time through?
No? I'm a long-time Diablogay, getting one-shot by some bullshit mob and losing exp/gold because there's no fricking way I can pick my corpse up is just part of life.
Especially since Dark Souls makes it easier by letting you keep your equipment even after dying.
The mechanic is almost identical to original WOW death and getting your body back. It wasn't even revolutionary in it's own time. People got the mechanic instantly.
For me, it was Runescape.
>you dropped everything you had on you except your 3 most valuable items
>on the ground
>you're in Lumbridge
>and you have FIVE MINUTES before everybody that watched you die get all your shit
>and the reason you died is probably going to still be there
Timers on bloodstains would be an awful mechanic because it would just encourage everybody to run past everything (that people already do and it sucks)
>No? I'm a long-time Diablogay, getting one-shot by some bullshit mob and losing exp/gold because there's no fricking way I can pick my corpse up is just part of life.
Well there you go. I also like roguelikes and have played them for ages, but after you've barely scraped out a victory in Dark Souls that feeling of getting fricked by some deeply unfair shit and sent back HURT. I know I'm not alone in this.
You're an invincible ghost in WoW.
It's the same idea of running back to your corpse to get your gear.
>that feeling of getting fricked by some deeply unfair shit and sent back HURT
Never did for me in DaS1. As I said, dying doesn't take away your equipment, exp is infinitely grindable anyway, the game world is tiny so running back never takes more than half a minute, enemy spawns/composition are 100% static, the AI is braindead so you can just run past everything, and hell, in some areas just running through will net you some free souls as enemies fail to pathfind around a hole in the ground.
Nope, the game isn't punishing at all.
Dark Souls are barely punishing.
Losing your souls really doesn't mean that much because you will get more after a boss with no real risk to losing them.
Taking damage when you can get up to 12 healing pots isn't too big an issue most of the time.
Compare this to modern rage platformers that send you all the way back to the start of the game basically making you lose all progress.
What the frick are you saying. Yes you have healing pots, but often you're punished for using them mid-combat which is when you get hurt. I've definitely lost boss soul batches, I recall painfully losing my first Taurus Demon victory after fricking up the route after it.
It DOES send you back to the start of the stage, essentially. This varies of course, but for new players it's objectively punishing.
What's the point of comparing a video game and twitch-feed rage bait? I don't think being punishing is what makes a good game or why one would play Dark Souls, but dying still means losing substantial amount of progress, time and resources.
Actual lunatic
>muh troll games tho
>Not doing a lvl 1, all bosses + dlc run
You didntn beat the game anon, and you can even beat it with just pyromancy at lvl 1 so that shit wont stick here
>you need a dozen artificial limitations for the game to be remotely difficult
Wait untill you hear about no hit, no deaths and no upgrades runs
Your ass is not ready for the Overencumbered run.
Based.
You one of the AC regs? Those guys make sick mechs. AC6 gives me Tokyo xtreme vibes with how goofy people make their paint jobs I love it.
I actually missed out on most of the series for most of my life. I picked up AC4 and 4A when I was a teen because I loved playing the AC1 demo on the Playstation magazine demodisk. I only tried Demon's Souls because I trusted Fromsoft to make a good game after 4 and 4A. Didn't quite like V, I couldn't see shit. AC6 has some issues but the flaws are not with the customization aspect so it's fine by me.
Okay, now execute the optimized rapier R2 into jumping attack combo you need to walk past the four swinging axes.
>the games a pretty fun
Based hobby enjoyer.
Sounds like a bogeyman to ignore. You dont need to validate behavior you dont like. Ganker imported this series from playasia and were the first fans. It unironically isnt a hard game series to us.
>now execute the optimized rapier R2 into jumping attack combo you need to walk past the four swinging axes.
The frick you bubbling about? You can slow walk your way thru Sen's Funhouse, you dont even need a rapier
I've actually done an overencumbered run. I speak from experience. You most assuredly cannot just walk through the 4 of the axes after the boulder device. Even quit and load isn't reliable because there is a moment where you can't act.
You just got panicked, since its not even 4 axes in the same spot, its 1-1-2 and you can walk the first half and try to "run" the other half, you worst enemy here is the fricking lighting bolts the snakes shout at you
Bro? That's the part *after* what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the second to last bridge across, immediately after the arrow trap. There's four immediately after one another as soon as you get on the bridge. The only enemy that's a threat at that area is the cleaver Snakes that might aggro from the sound of your weapon hitting the floor once you clear it.
Just slow walk through Sen's right now.
Overencumbered run is actually easier since you can wear full havel or giants armor and chip everything
So am I supposed to start NG+ or start a new save if I want to do a heavy STR build? Leveling feels impossible in NG+
New save.
The best way to play Fromsoft games is actually to run four or five saves simultaneously with different builds. That way you become an expert at every stage and your skills compound, plus all the stuff that you find and think "man this would be cool" you get to try immediately instead of waiting 30 hours for your next run, when you'll be burnt out anyway.
NG has lots of fun ways to go STR
>start w/ Master Key
>grab Great Club from Blighttown first thing
>kill/run past Hydra to get Stone set, EK from Garden if you're lazy
>backstab/parry Havel to death for ring
>set until you find your preferred fashion
>start firebombs
>kill asylum demon on sight for the Demon Hammer
>level nothing but Str until you can use it
>Zwei from skeles
>GA in Depths
>personally a fan of the Morning Star you can find in Firelink, really underrated
STR bros eat good in this ame
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST GIVE ME IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO FUN POWERFUL WEAPONS
>AHHHH WHY AREN'T ALL THE BOSSES NINJA FLIPPING?! WHY AM I DEALING REASONABLE DAMAGE TO THEM?!
>IT'S NOT FUN IF IT'S NOT THE VIDYA EQUIVALENT OF CBT
Shut the frick up and just enjoy the game, homosexual.
It's false advertising.
>no progression, basic grunt weapons are more powerful than endgame boss rewards
>no build creation, you just raise your damage stat to softcap and pump everything into vit and end, almost no gear with unique effects
>bosses die in less than 30 seconds and get to attack maybe a total of 3 times before the fight is over (at which point you've seen their entire moveset because they only have 3 moves)
I'm sorry that I prefer games that are actually engaging
>actually asking for damage sponge bosses and "number go up" bullshit
I dunno what you homies are crying about but I've played a Paladin in every Souls game and it's been the best. Mostly I love shitting on skellies and ghosts.
First playthrough is hard because of figuring out all of the mechanics (gameplay, stats, how weapons and forge work, etc) at the same time while deciding on what path to take. It s always going to be considerably easier once you know all these things or if you look them up online as you progress
So you beat a difficult game? Need a pat on the back?
>So you beat a difficult game?
He didn't say that though?
So why brag about it then
I think he was complaining about the game being piss easy despite its marketing and reputation as a difficult one. Which is a completely legitimate complaint.
It's not just marketing, people legitimely find it a hard game because it is.
>urmm actually I beat Kingdom Hearts critical mode and I think I know a hard game when I see it
Honestly it just sounds like he's kind of a homosexual if I'm being honest. The whole hardcore meme is what ruined DaS2 and ER anyway, who gives a shit about muh hardcoregays.
ER is the easiest game though. It doesn't have a reputation for being hard itself. ER is the walk around with 2 sl666 bodyguards game.
>The whole hardcore meme
The "meme" has been part of the series' core marketing strategy ever since DS1 on PS3. You can't blame people for expecting a difficult game when they buy a game that's both advertised as and reputed to be difficult.
No he beat dark souls
Wow. You sure are a very powerful Gamer.
DAS 1 is the worst of the soulsenborne series. It’s the weird experimental trash that fails miserably at everything it attempts, which is then perfected by bloodborne.
I’m glad it exists so they could try shit out before making bloodborne though. It truly is a bad game.
Look man, I'll suck Bloodborne's dick with you all day but there's nothing wrong with DS1.
Think of any reason you like bloodborne. DaS1 did the exact opposite of that.
My favourite is
>Have sweeping animations for weapons
>set 80% of the game in tight narrow corridors
Honestly what the frick were they thinking?
That the few weapons that thrust will have added viability due to the world design. If you are sweeping in a hallway you are being a mongoloid that cant learn to adapt to your surroundings.
>If you are sweeping in a hallway
yes I happen to enjoy using a sword and I was swinging it in 80% of the game’s environments I.e. hallways
That's neat!
>it’s not bad because… IT’S JUST NOT OKAY
why do dasgays never have an argument when you bring up any valid criticism
Because they dont care about the criticism. Your POV isnt valued. The criticism exists, people just dont care since you come off as someone shitting on something they like. There is no reason to actually entertain you as part of the discourse you only exist as a 5th column and a house only needs 4.
I just did a low level run (for me) in elden ring and it was pretty easy going because of game knowledge.
in meme open world the balance is completely out of the window since you can easily overlevel and get op grear right away, not a good direction for souls but its what masses want
>le sigh, this game where I decide when to level up or upgrade items is just TOO easy
Almost everything in Demon's Souls and Dark Souls is extremely weak for 60% of the game
Even slightly upgrade your weapons you will own everything. A +4 Broadsword and + 2 Steel Shield on a SL 25 characters destroys World 5
Elden Ring is the only game where enemies keep up with you unless you purposefully buy runes online or grind
You realized the biggest Dark Souls red pill, the game is easy if you actually just engage with it, explore, use basic logic, and use what the game gives you. There's a reason the hardcore audience tells you to play the game at level 1 naked with a club with no levels, because the game is easy to break and requires you strip yourself of options to make things "hard", and you have to play in a way the devs probably didn't intend for. A decent level of patience and reaction time is really all you need, and you don't need much grinding at all for a playthrough if you're going after all the bosses anyways. People want to capture that first attempt where they didn't know anything, but you can't go back, and it's just too easy. It's still a fun run through though if you haven't burnt yourself out running through everything 15 times.
>the game is really easy to break after watching 20 hours of videos on youtube
>ermmm actually the game is piss easy and I just beat ng+7 with no armor no rolling broken sword +5
>Heh fricking casual needed a weapon
I wish a painful death on every self important homosexual itt
>+5
casual
I never got the morons that seethe at people not suffering.
Its downright barbaric and primitive. Your life must be so sad and baroque to navigate.
There is a certain degenerate breed of gamer whose identity revolves around being "good" at games despite not having the talent or motivation to actually play competitive games at a high level. It's the type of troonys that try to lord over others via SR records and challenge runs, and naturally they're a pain to interact with.
Dark souls is easy. You don't need to git great or git amazing or git hardcore or git perfect. You only have to git gud.
yeah it's entirely stupid marketing
and morons who suck shit so even with broken weapons they still struggle
You probably picked master key wich IS cheating and got to endgame areas you're not meant to be wich ofc would have great loot, start a new save this time don't cheat and play fair homosexual
>Master Key is cheating
Fun fact: Master Key only allows you to get one item a boss earlier than you would otherwise get it, and that's getting Havel's Ring without beating Butterfly.
It unlocks Valley of Drakes and therefore Blighttown, so there is definitely more
You'd also need to kill Taurus Demon if you want Havel's Ring without it.
But you can just open the Londo floodgates?
Oh hell I forgot about that somehow. I hate the ghosts so I'd never attempt that early.
You need a key to do that.
A key you can get by killing the dude on that roof
t. does early gate regularly to get early +15 weapons.
>A key you can get by killing the dude on that roof
Murderer.
>You need a key to do that.
And Ingward has it.
Guess what you can do to Ingward?
you can just run all the way thru Basin, but its a long detour with some risks and if you are new you will never know this
The only way to reach the Basin without Master Key or slaying the Taurus is to open floodgates.
I mean sure but that means killing the Taurus Demon, which is not the point. The point is to get places without killing bosses to access the items there to fight the bosses with. The Master Key makes getting around/skipping bosses convenient. Killing bosses to open up new areas is the natural way to progress the game and to be expected.
>Master key as first item
Wow all these closed doors sure are a joke i don't get why someone would have a problem with them
It's babies first sequence braker, but its not like any of the other gifts matter
>pick the Thief class
>game gives you the master key without telling you
>interacting with any door that can be opened with the master key
>no prompt whether to use it
>game just opens the door whether you want to or not
>no way to get rid of the master key
Yeah, sure is cheating.
Dark Souls is "Nintendo Hard"
The term comes from the NES/SNES/Sega era of gaming in which the base level of gaming was challenging. Games from that era expected the player to use some combination of reflex, memory, and problem solving.
So zoomers going back to play the old games found them to be "hard" as most modern games do a lot more assisting of the player.
Dark Souls isn't actually hard. Dark Souls just requires competency in a generation where games are typically designed for the incompetent lowest common denominator that genuinely struggles with things like placing a fast food order or doing laundry.
To them Dark Souls is genuinely hard. When to boomers or even just actually competent zoomers it's not hard it just respects you enough to challenge you to do more then swing your sword.
>Dark Souls just requires competency
Locking on and holding the analog stick to one side is barely competency. A dog can do it.
>One speedrunner beat DaS with morse code
>One speedrunner beat Gyromite with his dog
It's only a matter of time.
>Wow what an experience prepare to die.
Yeah only moronic Black folk think this game is hard
>can't have even a single Souls/From thread without schizophrenic hysterical whining
It's always the same discord crying about the same things. Ignore lolcows.
yeah its difficulty is a total meme and its only for the 1st playthru, once you know the game you can beat it deathless with not much skill involved
and its not even about the weapons
>play this for the first time
>proceeding normally, beat Tartrus and Bell Guards
>miss the way into undead burg
>end up going all the way to the bottom to the tomb of giants, all the way through New Londo, all the way around the forest, until finally figuring out where I was suppose to go
>way overleveled at this point, most of the game on is a breeze
Anyone else do something like this?
My friend turns off his brain and grinds easy mobs until hes over leveled in all souls games.
He exclusively did the bird farm spam in ER at moths every run then dropped the game like a bad habit when they patched it lol.
I don't like Bloodborne as much (and Sekiro even less) because one of my favourite elements of DS is playing 'make your knight/warrior/rogue/mage' dress up game and BB sucks at that. It's not even that I hate trench coats but there is so little of everything, weapons and 'armor' alike
Just call it fashion souls, there's already a widely used term for what you're describing with a whole sentence.
No I won't. Frick you Black person.
Also I feel like most people use that to specifically refer to armor, while having 12 different longsword variants is just as important to me.
I think weapon aesthetics are also an important part of looks, so I tend to mentally include it.
Though I think I prefer bloodborne's approach to having every single weapon be completely different and fill a different niche, rather than the ten redundant weapons that look different approach that say, dark souls 2 took.
>No I won't. Frick you Black person.
Rude and slightly uncalled for?
>redundant weapons that look different
An oxymoron. They aren't redudant to me if they look different. And you can generally find some kind of niche for most of them anyway.
Sort of, but it gets kind of boring finding 50 different copy paste weapons that don't even have a unique r2, that's something I really liked about bloodborne on top of its weapons effectively all having 2 movements.
I just like fighting big monsters. I haven't played BB yet but it seems like it has a lot of that.
souls games being hard is a meme just because it's not a sony movie game that holds your dick the entire time doesn't mean it's hard
Sex
Another thing I believe Bloodborne underdelivered on is gore. Like you see the hunter in the trailer cleaving a dog in half through it's spine, but the game doesn't really have that besides the silly blood fountain during visceral attacks.
In game you can see Queen of Vilebloods turned into minced meat by Alfred, but none of the weapons you get can actually do that kind of thing.
Anyway, I hope I that the next fromsoul-borne-vania-like lets me decapitate someone with a zweihander.
The only beginners trap in dark shit is not knowing about fast rolling.
Fast rolling trivializes the game completely
The correct way to play is to get to anal long, beat pikachu and then turn the game off.
>The only beginners trap in dark shit is not knowing about fast rolling.
and not knowing Rickert can upgrade your gear
or leveling stats that are irrelevant to your build
not understanding weapon scaling
wandering into the catacombs at the start
the dragon on the bridge
You can find Andre so early Rickert doesn't really matter. I think I did multiple playhthroughs before finding out he exists.
He's really helpful if you're a shitter and having trouble before Andre.
>Le fast roll memay
Just did a fast roll and mid roll run recently, poise is just so fricked in this game that the trade off to get to fast roll just isn't worth it. Heavy armor trivializes the game, fast roll has some trouble areas.
The "hard" part of souls games is realizing that rolling is an iframe button and not a repositioning tool
>beat Malenia 2nd try with mimic tear
>go online to see what the fuss was all about
>NOOO, YOU DIDN'T BEAT HER, YOU NEED TO FIGHT HER WITHOUT SUMMONS, ASHES, MAGIC, MOONVEIL [INSERT 5 MORE HANDICAPS]
Uh, okay?
SHUT UP ELDEN RING IS HARDCORE YOU JUST HAVE TO ARTIFICIALLY GIMP YOURSELF TO EXPERIENCE THE TRUE HARDCORE DIFFICULTY SHUT UP YOU FRICKING CASUAL REEEEEEEEE
>Boast about beating the toughest boss and how easy it was
>Oh wow cool anon how did you do it?
>HURRR UMM I JUST SUMMONED ANOTHER ME AND BRAINLESSLY SHIT ON THE GAME
Do you want a medal?
dude only normies think this game is hard. only normies flex modern games insisting they take "skill"
this shit hasn't been fun or unique since 05
The Master Sword Trials DLC level pack for BOTW is unironically harder than the entirety of Dark Souls 1. You can't just die and try again, for one thing, and enemies deal way more damage and you have 0 poise.
DS1 kinda aged poorly, but the exploration is still fun if you weren't spoiled/not using guides.
>You can't just die and try again
That's not difficult, that's tedious. It's a distinction later Souls games forgot too though tbf.
Being able to trivialize the game through summons is an intended mechanic and there is nothing wrong with doing that, it relates to the whole Miyazaki car crash help story.
Dark Souls 1 was a game about finding the limits of your pride - or specifically never doing that, and only relying on yourself. This theme became diluted in later games but is still somewhat present. The game wasn't difficult just for the sake of it.
>Being able to trivialize the game through summons is an intended mechanic and there is nothing wrong with doing that
I didn't say there was, but what I am saying is that if you go into a Touhou thread and brag about how easy it was to get a MoF 1cc, and then reveal that it was on Easy and abused the Marisa B bug, then you probably deserve the mocking you'll receive for holding such a thing as a grand accomplishment and basing your opinion on the game's difficulty on that experience.
>trivializing the game through summons is cheating!
What about trivializing Nameless King and Slave Knight Gael with pyromancies? You literally just backpedal and throw Chaos Bed Vestiges, I did both hitless 1st try on my pyro playthrough.
>okay, that's also cheating
So where do you draw the line then? What is not "cheating"?
>Making up boogiemen to make your prior shitposts seem less inane
Yawn.
Sorry if it sounded like a strawman, but I couldn't think of a better example that's comparable to summoning.
Just curious what do people see as "fair and square" when it comes to FromSoft games? Just R1, dodging and parrying?
Who cares, just play the way you enjoy and don't get an inflated ego over it. That applies to both hardcore casuals and muh autism run elitists.
I don't really care about which one has better "combat" but the main problem with DD's is how it's used as lame padding by making you fight hordes of annoying trash (wolves/harpies/goblins) every step. There is literally no way to make this engaging, no matter how many attacks they give you.
You are mistaken, you think that's the issue, but it isn't that. Compare fighting wolves in Souls games fighting wolves in Dragon's Dogma and you will see why DD combat is just not interesting or engaging. In Souls games dogs and wilves will fricking maul you to death, especially if your weapon isn't that good or you don't use other tools. In DD you speed up like an heatseeking missile to the nearest one and nuke it with some skill, and that's assuming you don't have a bow
stop being so insecure. lying aint the best argument
I said no lie, have no insecurities
It's definitely far harder in DS3 but it's pretty much a single such area in the entire franchise. I bet it'd also get boring if 1/4 of the game consisted of wolf gauntlet.
I'm not sure why DDgays chose combat as their hill to die on when mechanically it's just WoW with ragdolls. If you really want to shit on Souls games just point out how your game's core mechanics actually compliment world exploration while ER just feels like a DaS3 fanmod with an empty open world.
I wish every Souls game had a Master Key esque starting item. Something that's primarily a time saver on subsequent runs whose value comes from game knowledge.
what's a fun fai/str weapon? i'm using a +5 divine claymore right now and it's still doing good, but i kinda want to try something new. not sure what to pick. 25 str 30 fai right now if it matters.
Maces and clubs are categorically Cleric weapons.
was thinking about morning star, i'll try it out.
don't have that one yet, but i'll keep an eye out for it. thanks.
You get Grant from an invasion drop in the later part of the game, so just make sure to remember to stay human so you can actually get npc invasions.
Grant is the only special Faith/Str weapon I can think of, otherwise any Str weapon works fine.
If you want to use Grant make sure not to knock Leeroy off the ledge. His drop will be lost to you for the rest of the run.
Good luck lol, last time Leroy fell on his own
I'm really glad they fixed that shit in later games.