Turns out the DP dex is actually pretty big.
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Now, remove all Pokemon from previous gens, all cross-gen evolutions and every Pokemon created from a trope and DP's dex is basically nothing.
Also remove all pokemon that can learn growl because i don't like this move
>remove all Pokemon from previous gens
Exactly. Zubat, Geodude, Machop everywhere. We had just had that for the past 3 gens.
Also the distribution is terrible. By the first gym, the only new mons you can get are Shinx, Bidoof, Kricketot and Starly. They could've at least made Aipom, Bonsly, Mime Jr and Munchlax accessible earlier to add a bit of flavour. Munchlax being so rare was a joke considering it was the first gen 4 mon to be revealed.
>and every Pokemon created from a trope
there goes the entire unova dex
>Now, remove
Why do morons think this is an argument? If I remove Weavile do you think Weavile is magically no longer available in DP?
This
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Only one you, homosexual
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shitnnoh sucks
>remove all Pokemon from previous gens
It should have stopped here tbdesu
This right here explains everything about why people complain about the DP dex. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it, people just hate that it’s not compatible with their autism
>now just arbitrarily remove Pokemon because they don't align with the autistic way I play the game!
...
Now do Johto.
Johto is the shining example of perfect Pokemon distribution.
>Dude just own this N64 game
Kys
it's bait
Half the pokemon in "readily available" aren't readily available
Yes they literally are. You can literally boot up your copy of GSC and find them right now.
How do I get Elekid pre Kanto if I get Cleffa from the Mystery Egg?
>oh yeah?! well how do I get Totodile if if aleady got Cyndaquil, huh???
Stop being moronic. You wouldn't build this barrier for any other gen, so don't do it for Johto.
>NOOOOOO I HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET THE MONS I WANT
You suck at video games. Git gud.
>Babymons are all locked to Kanto outside of the 1 (one) you get from the Mystery Egg.
>Aipom, pineco, heracross locked to gimmick.
>Bellosom and sunflora locked to stone evo where you need to win the bug contest which on a specific day.
>Yanma, dunsparce, snubbull are 1%
>Qwilfish requires super rod
>Teddiursa, sneasel, swinub, delibird, skarmory, phanpy and tyrogue are near the end.
>Hitmontop has moronic evo.
Readily available according to Johtogays lmao.
Dude all of those are literally just Pokemon game mechanics for all the games. Do you even enjoy playing Pokemon games at all? This hobby probably isn't for you.
Also Teddiursa and Phanpy are pre-1st badge, so you're lying on top of being moronic.
The only valid complaint here is the baby Pokemon, stuff like 1% encounter rates or headbutting trees is literally a nonissue.
I think this is why I can't take people's criticisms of Johto's distribution seriously, Johto rewards the player for going out of their way and backtracking during the main story with cool rare/uncommon Pokemon, it's not like other generations where the Pokemon is straight up unobtainable or requires a trade or something, they're just out of the way.
I think games need more stuff like Ruins of Alph that lock Pokemon behind some kind of exploration or sidequest to separate the people who actually explore the region from people just bum rushing gym after gym.
Le Baby Pokemon is not a valid complaint either. No-one can explain why Baby Pokemon are a bad thing. Because they aren't.
Becase Johto is the only reason hated for having "weak pokemon, having pokemon what only exist to be weaker versions of KANTOOOO mons is an insult
Because they wasted dex slots that could have gone to Pokemon people actually need like evolutions for stuff like Yanma and Delibird, or more Ghosts or Dragon types since Gen 2 had gym leaders of those types and apparently Misdreavus wasn't worthy of Morty because i gues a ghost type that doesn't get raped by Kadabra isnt good enough for him
Because they contribute the "Kanto's Backyard" Problem Johto is plagued with
Because Gen 3's only babies were for a shitmon with less BST than Pikachu and a gimmickmon rather than something like Lapras or even Miltank/Tauros
Because they didn't learn their lesson in Gen 4 and made just as many as Gen 2, yet Gen 2 is the only one hated for baby Pokemon for some reason
Because the one possible good thing about baby Pokemon (getting strong families earlier), has only been utilized a small handful of times or completely obsolete because even first route mons are designed to carry you for the whole game now
>because they *kantooo/backyard shitposting*
Opinion immediately discarded.
>they wasted dex slots
This is a logical fallacy. If the Baby Pokemon weren't included, they just wouldn't be there, and we would only have 241 Pokemon in the Johto dex. 10 babymons/evos didn't suddenly shelve a bunch of random evolutions for Yanma and Delibird that were never even made in the first place.
Your entire cope paragraph is full schizo mode.
I don't know about other generations, but for Gen 2 there was a hard limit on the amount of Pokemon and remember the GEn 1 Pokemon had to be in too (I read somewhere it has something so with with space for sprites and the Egg counts as Pokemon but don't quote me on that) . That's why Johto only has 100 Pokemon compared to KANTOOOO;s 151 and Hoeen's around 130. So if the baby Pokemon weren't in then one of the Beta mons like that voodoo panda could have been in, Though the beta had even MORE babies, so its less that the babies we got stole slots and more that Gen 2 was the wrong time time to introduce babies in the first place.
>Gen 2 was the wrong time time to introduce babies
There is nothing to suggest this at all. Gen 2 was perfect for introducing breeding. And thank God the beta dogshit like voodoo panda got left out. If that made it in I'd agree Gen 2 is moronic, but luckily it had excellent quality control to keep that crap out.
They are dex filler, created specifically for merchandise and little else. Tyrogue and Togepi were the only ones handled well in GS (one of those is a brand new line btw)
Pichu, Cleffa, and Igglybuff are just smaller versions of already cutesy Pokemon while preventing them from getting a proper third stage.
Smoochum, Elekid, and Magby would be fine if they were a way to get those lines earlier since Jynx, Electabuzz, and Magmar were later game in RBY. The problem is that you need them to get their baby forms since they're breeding exclusive, effectively eliminating the reason they exist.
But can I use a fricking Houndour in my playthrough before the elite 4?
>But can I *arbitrarily applied rule*
You can catch Houndour halfway through the game, yes.
How if he only spawns in kanto
>Valid criticism isn't actually valid because uhhh reasons!
>Johto rewards the player for going out of their way and backtracking during the main story with cool rare/uncommon Pokemon,
No it fricking doesn't.
Yes it does moron,
No it doesn't you're just moronic and making shit up to defend bad design
>Aipom, pineco, heracross locked to gimmick.
It's not really hard to find them at all. That's like saying finding a Pokemon from Rock Smash or fishing is hard. Hell, of the ones I listed Rock Smash is the biggest pain in the ass.
>Teddiursa, sneasel, swinub, delibird, skarmory, phanpy and tyrogue are near the end.
There's a lot of Pokemon only available at endgame in a lot of games, and the only Pokemon that isn't worth it is Delibird, who wouldn't be worth it even if you got it Route 1.
>implying Crobat and Wobuffet are usable while Corsola and Girafarig aren't
You're moronic
tornadus and thunderus aren't post-game, but they are version exclusive
Indeed i fricked up about that, so BW is actually 128
>Hydreigon
>Volcarona
>Braviary
>Mandibuzz
These are not postgame exclusive monsters
Weavile is postgame exclusive. You can only obtain the razor claw from the battle maison.
You're not getting to level 54 before beating Ghetsis anon.
even 45 is a stretch
yeah…and then you remember 1/3 of the dex is either fricking time locked shit or useless baby pokemon you need to go out of your way to breed for no benefit
>and then you remember 1/3 of the dex is [things that require you to play the game]
this is genocide anon
>putting the game down until time passes is playing the game
>yeah…and then you remember 1/3 of the dex is either fricking time locked shit or useless baby pokemon you need to go out of your way to breed for no benefit
But enough about Johto
Why does Manaphy count, isn't that an event Pokemon?
It’s not limited time, you can still get it to this day and use it in a playthrough. It’s also not post game locked like channel jirachi in hoenn
>you can still get it to this day and use it in a playthrough.
How? And don't you fricking say using another game that sells for over one thousand dollars
>saying Pokemon are postgame only because their evo levels are too high
>in a series known for letting you overlevel for minimal effort
Dude.
>but exp rebalancing
You can still overlevel. Also the Battle Subway lets you buy Rare Candies for BP.
If you’re willing to go out of your way to overlevel you’ll be just as willing to trade any mon from another game and use it
>You can totally use Manaphy in a playthrough, you just have to play a completely unrelated 10 hour campaign before you even start the game.
By that logic anything can be used in a campaign, just trade it over from another game lmao.
Meant for
Why wouldn’t you play pokemon ranger anyway, it’s a good game
You don’t have to do that doe
>You don’t have to do that doe
I can skip the dogshit honey tree and great marsh mechanics? Please elaborate.
Time still passes when you playing the game so you just have to go back later
It’s not that hard you’re just bad at the game lol
>j-just go back later
I can beat the entire fricking game in the time it takes for a honey tree to finish spawning a Pokemon or for the great marsh to rotate once.
Damn why is DP so fast?
>the schizo that vastly overrates the Great Marsh's rng is back again
>Why wouldn’t you play pokemon ranger anyway, it’s a good game
Yeah I like pokemon ranger, but to say that Manaphy is available because you can get it pre postgame (when it's locked behind finishing a completely separate game) is absurd. At that point all of the DP starters and version exclusives sans legendaries might as well be available. It'd take less time to get all of them and trade over than to get a single Manaphy.
Anyone who's ever played pokemon rangers, including many people who got DPPt at launch, can potentially get a Manaphy for their playthrough, it's not as out there as you think, Munchlax is harder
That doesn't take away from his point. You're doing anything to make Sinnoh look better and everything else look worse. It was still a paywall requiring the purchase of another game. If you want to be that lenient, then Mew should be counted in Gen 1 for the glitch. But Gen 1 bad, Gen 4 good give fake internet points
This thread is specifically about how many mons are available in the games, not how easy they are to get
common Sinnoh W
not OP but I wanted to account for trade evos because let's not pretend that doesn't affect distribution. if we allow trading to include trade evos, you might as well include the version exclusives as well because you can just trade for them, right?
also including spiritomb for requiring multiplayer and manaphy because is an event legendary baybee, you're not finding that shit anywhere in the game.
On emulator you can just dupe your save and trade to yourself, it’s never been a problem for me tbh
i don't want to count external tools
(Me)
one more analysis image, this time counting the total available evolution lines. after all, there's no point counting both mankey and primeape when one is just gonna evolve into the other.
i expected kanto's glut of single-stagers to give it an advantage, but it's actually tied with unova, with sinnoh slightly lagging behind.
Wormadam is three lines technically
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SHARTYSISTER!!!!
>because it has no content
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Category:Diamond_and_Pearl_locations
stop feeding the troll
Then why are you at a higher level for the league in DP compared to every game before it?
>Half the dex is legendaries, event mons, cross gen mons that need injected postgame.
>All new Evos require post game items and trading
>Introduce MORE BABY POKEMON, oh and let's double down on incense breeding
Yah nah. Sure it's a "big" dex but less than half the mons are available throughout the a single player playthrough.
moron
you only have to incense breed for munchlax
how do you get Snorlax in DP?
Only one pokemon in the "over used" category is actually OU.
she probably means overused in a Sinnoh playthrough
checked and based
shitnnohgays are insanely mentally ill
But sinnoh haters are the most consistent display of mental illness in the pokemon fanbase
This is obsession, finding comments from literal whos to say "SEE SINNOH HATERS ARE ALL TRANNIES"
You could find just as many of them complaining about any other generation, but of course you just want a boogeyman to explain why not everyone likes Sinnoh that much.
I didn't have to go "find" anything, that's actually what the average Sinnoh hater looks like
Individual battles don't give you more exp than in the other games tho
The OP pic literally accounts for every single unavailable mon
>Individual battles don't give you more exp than in the other games tho
When the game has to pad itself with a lot of piss easy individual battles you steam roll through it gives lots of free exp.
But i thought the game had no content
It doesn’t have content, once you remove the shitty padding.
>the schizo who thinks DPPt is a remotely good game is back again
I'm not accounting for the exact same Kanto shitmons in every single game
>It doesn't have content once you remove content
society
>it doesn’t have content once you remove the worthless content
Correct.
hi yawngay, welcome back
I agree gens 6+ are so shit
Why are people defending DP's dex. And using whataboutism is not an excuse. By the time Diamond and Pearl released they had 493 creatures, and they arbitrarily limited it to 151 with little reason for their picks. If you have to use the literal first game in the series as a gotcha, which funny enough has better variety by the way, then you're making a shitty argument.
>Why are people defending DP's dex
Because it's good
If it was so good, why did Platinum become the first 3rd version in the franchise to have an expanded dex from the original?
And Pokemon Ranger is a different game from Diamond and Pearl, therefore Manaphy is NOT available in DP through the game natively.
>If it was so good, why did Platinum become the first 3rd version in the franchise to have an expanded dex from the original?
Because it could be even better which is what Platinum did
>And Pokemon Ranger is a different game from Diamond and Pearl, therefore Manaphy is NOT available in DP through the game natively.
It is since pokemon rangers came out before DP so Manaphy was available since launch. It's not gonna be available under any circumstance since you're gonna need a Rangers save file to get it, but it's still something that can make a difference between two runs, it's still a team building option for the people who are able to get it
It's a team building option that requires an entirely different game. If you want to use this logic, I guess version exclusives shouldn't be crossed off on the OP image because hey, it was available at launch since both versions release the same day.
This logic can also be used to say unobtainable Pokemon aren't a thing except for Gen 3 and some Pokemon 8 and 9 because you can just transfer from a completely different game.
There is also no excuse for leaving out most cross-gen evos and relatives in DP, Platinum including them was them realizing "we screwed up and put them back in" There are only a small handful of mons without new relatives that were added to Platinum, and let's be honest they were there for adding type variety (Houndour and Houndoom added more fire types in addition to the Magby line and Flareon)
The difference is that DP has a specific mechanic allowing you to get Manaphy, it doesn't require trading from another game, it just requires you to own that other game
I rarely see anyone complain about the Kanto or BW dexes though. And i agree with them, they're good enough. I don't think "poor distribution" is actually an issue in any pokemon game. Hell, even Colosseum has enough.
>they arbitrarily limited it to 151 with little reason for their picks
their reason was KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO's 10th anniversary
Now do Kalos
You, an idiot:
>Turns out the DP dex is actually pretty big.
Me, an intellectual:
>All three of these games have small dexes and you're just coping
For some reason DP wanted 151 like KANTOOO but forgot to actually distribute the Pokemon so most encounter tables look like this. That's why everyone uses the same team in DP.
trades exist cuck.
Someone make the count
>Central Kalos
153 - 17 = 136 Pokémon
61 families (not counting split evos as different families)
>Coastal Kalos
153 - 12 = 141 Pokémon
73 families
>Mountain Kalos
151 - 9 = 142 Pokémon (removed Weavile)
70 families
Why are you excluding all those gen 4 mythicals that are either Mystery Gift locked or not even legally obtainable like Arceus?
They don't appear in the DP regional dex, only in the Platinum regional dex or natdex. That's also why most of the cross gen evos aren't there.
>counts Dragonite as postgame when level 55 is a perfectly fine endgame level
>doesn't count Manaphy as an event mon
>counts Braviary and Mandibuzz as postgame when their evo level isn't even above Ghetsis' ace
>counts Thundurus/Tornadus as postgame
>level 55 is a perfectly fine endgame level
In Kanto? Lmao
>counts Braviary and Mandibuzz as postgame when their evo level isn't even above Ghetsis' ace
oh it's a hardcore level cap rare candy gay, cringe
What other metric do you want then homosexual, I mean other than "I arbitrarily decide what's reasonable or not so I can't get called out when I miss obvious shit"
The levels you will naturally be at for a certain point
If you're over 45 for the league in Kanto you overgrinded
>source: just trust me bro
If I want to use a Dragonite I will happily take the levels to evolve it, 55 is nowhere near overleveling for the Elite Four
It absolutely is, the elite 4 is piss easy if you're at 55
It's Red/Blue dude, the whole game is piss easy. You could beat it with level 35s if you really wanted to. Point is Dragonite isn't unreasonable to obtain even if you do absolutely no grinding, 99% of players who want to use it won't cuck themselves out of it for the sake of a "postgame" that doesn't exist.
>It's Red/Blue dude, the whole game is piss easy
So why would you overgrind?
Because I want to use Dragonite.
By the same logic everything is usable since you can just trade them (and doing so doesn't trivialize the game like overleveling does)
Trading is stupid and shouldn't be counted, the OP image shouldn't have trade evos. No one cares about picking and choosing what trivializes the game and what doesn't, otherwise why would you count Gengar/Haunter in RB or Garchomp in DP, it's just autistic line drawing that doesn't reflect how people actually play the game.
>Trading is stupid and shouldn't be counted
I agree, neither should overleveling
>the OP image shouldn't have trade evos
On emulator you can just dupe your save and trade with yourself so yes
And by that same logic I can also transfer over the other 2 starters I didn't pick and other choices like the RBY fossil. Any sort of trading breaks the premise of the OP.
Trade evos don't require you to start multiple runs though
How is dragonite post game?
>it's another Johtogays need to make up mental gymnastics to defend their objectively bad dex episode.
I saw your image and ended up making one for Ruby/Sapphire if I didn't make any errors my final count is 180 total on a fully completed single cart but 176 if you don't include postgame pokemon like the Beldum line or Rayquaza. If I had more time I'd also break the dex up by which gym badge is needed before you can catch each pokemon.
TLDR Hoenn has 176 pokemon before you're the champ
>Hoenn has 176 pokemon before you're the champ
and half are from Kanto and Johto
Here's Johto, no, I'm not doing the count.
I FORGOT. You can only obtain one of each Kanto stone in GS which means all stone evos bar Moon/Sun .
*are choice-locked.
None of the babies and stone evos are postgame.
Sneasel is not postgame.
Gligar Delibird Mantine and Skarmory are all obtainable, why the frick are they crossed out lmao.
Your image also does not confirm the total number available which was the whole point of the OP.
Where to do you get Pichu, Cleffa, Elekid, Sneasel and the stones before postgame in GS then? The four flying types are just version exclusive two for each version.
Assuming that's right, the count for Gold and Silver is 171 available before the postgame
However, for Crystal, the count is 207 available out of 251 before the postgame.
Now in terms of ratio for national dex:
RB has 126/151
GS has 171/251
DP has 138/493
BW has 127/649
So it gets worse and worse even if you're not including third versions.
Now lets see Kalos dex.
>is actually a pretty big piece of shit.
OP here just making a small correction, btw.
Natural and organic
STOP THE COUNT!
u can get a legendary at the third gym? johtosisters wtf
>implying anyone has ever used these and implying anyone over 8 has used these just eliminate Pokémon for no reason
>the game is apparently over even when there are 8 gyms and other boss left
>trade evos are bad when Johto does it even though KANTOOOOO started it Ana every other game has them too
I accept your concession
DP “lacking variety” is a meme because kids wanted more Fire Type Pokemon than Ponyta.
I'm 100% sure there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints about this if literally any other type was as rare
Firegays are fricking obnoxious
It’s like all the anti Johto rhetoric, complaints about Houndour in KANTO.
>DP “lacking variety” is a meme
>Even cherry picking requires you to ignore pearl exclusives
The image is also ignoring Sapphire exclusives, dumbass.
>I cherrypicked even more than you were claiming, therefore my cherrypicking doesn't count
You literally just don’t know what cherrypicking means.
It doesn’t mean “comparison that makes thing I like look bad”
So there's only 7 types in pokemon and sapphire and pearl don't exist, is that what you're saying?
>Y-YOU NEED TO INCLUDE THE REST OF THE TYPES!!
Why? So DP can get humiliated even more? Sinnohgays really need to learn how to pick their battles, kek
>Why?
Because arbitrarily picking some types while leaving others out is cherrypicking.
But yes, RSE has more pokemon than DP, that's mathematical and nobody is denying that.
Now if you were to remove shitmons, that may become a bit more arguable.
>Because arbitrarily picking some types while leaving others out is cherrypicking
that isn't what cherrypicking means
>and nobody is denying that
try reading the thread
metagross is post-game
it’s diamond and ruby, white boy
Quantity vs Quality
Two thing Sinnoh lacks.
The majority of the left is made up of turds like pre-gen4 nosepass, roselia, and plusle and even then Hoenn pokemon like Manetric are underwhelming. All I learned from playing Emerald is that if you want to have fun you should always grab a Kanto pokemon instead.
Its crazy how many monostage shitmon gen 3 introduced. But at least they're there for flavor.
There's a reason why gen 4 has 'the team' shitpost.
>There's a reason why gen 4 has 'the team' shitpost
Yes, because it has two very strong early options (Starly and Shinx) and one very popular pokemon that you get for free (Lucario). The team memes are always there three, starter, and then the last two vary depending on who makes the meme.
These are literally the only reasons, and the only actually overused Sinnohmons, specifically for these reasons. Distribution has jack shit to do with it. Hell, Nidoking is probably just as overused in Kanto, and Gardevoir in Hoenn, as well as Ludicolo in the games it's available in.
every gen has "strong early options" yet only sinnoh has everyone use the same npc team. I wonder why that is.
>every gen has "strong early options"
No they don't. 3 and 5 for example are awful in this regard.
>Ralts
>Lotad
>Lillipup
>Drillbur
...and wow, turns out those are also extremely common on people's teams. Crazy how that works. And that is despite Ralts being a rare encounter.
>turns out those are also extremely common on people's teams
not really
Yeah who would run a Gardevoir or a Ludicolo in Hoenn couldn't be me
No other region has options as strong as Starly and Shinx on the first 2 routes
>Ralts
>Lotad
>Lillipup
>Drillbur
>Fletchling
>Azurill
i stole these from the first 2 pages i found on reddit don't hurt me yawn-sama
Tris owes me sex
I noticed that most Platinum teams are actually just DP teams with just one Platinum mon. Maybe it's because a lot of Platinum additions are trade evos
2 of those screenshots are from dp and 4 of the other teams only have 1 platinum mon
Its better to leave out version exclusives since it just shows one version has a better variety for a type then the other.
That said why are we leaving out glaceon but keeping in weavile?
Bebe doesn’t give you an Eevee in DP until you have the national dex
Frick I forgot about that, the frick were they thinking.
>game with more pokemon has more pokemon
waow
>493 < 386
most intelligent sinnoh fan
>I can't tell the difference between regional dex size and the total number of mons that exist in a gen
You have to be at least 18 to post here
>DP had to have less pokemon in its regional dex despite having more available pokemon that exist because...um...uh....it just did
pokemon that evolve late aren’t postgame only if it’s possible to obtain them before the postgame. your image is dishonest. also
>cottonee and petilil can be obtained in both versions via an in game trade
>tornadus and thundurus aren’t postgame only, they can be caught after the 8th gym
>start playing Radical Reddit
>add Starly and Shinx to my team despite the bloated routes
There is no combo of early route pokemon more soulful than Kinnoh's double intimidate chads.