>two identical moves
>one is guaranteed to boost special attack while the other is rng
Gamefreak needs to be crucified for their powercreep. Competitive pokemon is a joke and should never be treated seriously
>two identical moves. >one is guaranteed to boost special attack while the other is rng
They literally introduced a dragon dance that also removes entry hazards and substitute and this is what you complain about
In fairness, Tidy Up is confined to two gimmick mons.
and torch song is confined to a pokemon without quiver dance, what's you point?
also *3
Swablu should learn Tidy Up due to its Pokedex entries, change my mind
>this is what you complain about
If i compiled all the bullshit powercrept moves the thread would become tl;dr-tier. Just about every new move that came out of PLA makes me want to set myself on fire
>Brings up Tidy Up when Dragon Dance lets you keep your own hazards and subs
Victory Dance would be a better comparison
Or Shift Gear.
>and substitute
Bullshit
Game Freak only loves KANTOOOOOOOO, the newest gen, an assorted shillmons between them, everything else is fodder and a small handful they actively despise.
imagine wanting fiery dance to behave like Torch Song on a mon with fricking quiver dance. You need to take availability as a balancing aspect for a move
>imagine wanting fiery dance to behave like Torch Song
literally who said this? I'd rather have Torch Song act like fiery dance because 100% boost chance is fricked up
>One is exclusive to a slow bulky Pokemon with no other way of boosting.
>that means 100% boost chance is okay instead of giving it something like Nasty Plot
>Nasty Plot
No need for that.
>+2 8 SpA Skeledirge Torch Song vs. 168 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 864-1020 (238 - 280.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>+1 8 SpA Metronome Skeledirge Torch Song vs. 168 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 907-1075 (249.8 - 296.1%) -- guaranteed KO in 1 turns
>that means 100% boost chance is okay instead of giving it something like Nasty Plot
yes
Torch Song is also a sound move, so it ignores substitutes but is blocked by Soundproof. Still lame as shit.
You might say they're...
the same old song and dance.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
One is exclusive to a slow bulky Pokemon with no other way of boosting.
The other is exclusive to a 550 BST Pokemon Pokemon with Quiver Dance and one of its Paradox counterparts.
You don't know shit about powercreep until you remember Triple Kick is still a garbage move solely because it's Hitmontop's signature move, and letting the Johto Brother of the Hitmons be the objective best one would be Anti-Kanto, so Triple Kick stays garbage while Triple Axel is still a dominant physical ice move.
hitmontop is not only the only good one, it's one of the best pokemon ever made
>2 mega rayquaza
>2 primal groudon
>3 hitmontops
I kneel...
Nice job taking a pic from Gen 6, a time before Incineroar existed, and a point that was 9 years ago. You sure showed me about powercreep, huh?
considering gen 6 was the highest power level ever seen in this series, it's kind of the perfect time to pull from
NERF BRONZONG NOW
>Why do both Scratch and Tackle exist when one is stronger
>Why do either of them exist when Strength is stronger
>Why do both Scratch and Tackle exist when one is stronger
>both are 40 power 100 accuracy
>protect + other effect
make it stop
NOOOOOO THERE CANT BE MOVES THAT ARE BETTER THAN OTHER MOVES LOVE WON BLM
I hate how everything gets a signature move/ability nowadays. Before gen 7 they were limited to legendaries and a select few regular mons, making them feel special. Now every numon has its own shitty gimmick
The solution is not less signature moves, it’s more. I feel like you’re implying they should stop, whereas what they should actually do next gen is give like 100-200 older Pokémon new moves.
Everything loses its signature move either during the same gen or immediately after.
It wouldn't be as much of a problem if they went back and overhauled older Pokemon to have proper signature attributes, but unfortunately GameFreak are real bastards about "retconning" a Pokemon's ability options and a fair number of those older Pokemon were granted a likely unhelpful second ability in Gen 4.
This. I love seeing mon like Hypno get continuously fricked over by each new mechanic change.
>Special attack nerfed in Gen 2
>Garbage standard abilities
>Garbage hidden ability
>Not even a nibble of something spicy for its moveset
Powercreep is bad enough. It was over for some mon before it even began.
Physical/special split got rid of its elemental punches too.
>Before gen 7 they were limited to legendaries and a select few regular mons
that's not true
>Why does this new region have so many shitmons, it sucks
>Why does this new region have so many good Pokémon, it sucks
The past 3 gens have both been filled to the brim with irrelevant shitmons(that their gimmicks are wasted on) AND power crept monsters that outshine everything else.
The average Gen 9 Pokémon has more going for it than any other Gen before it
There's still some shitmons but the bar is way higher, almost everything is more than usable in-game and has some niche or outright excels in competitive
>The average Gen 9 Pokémon
Paradoxes aren't the average gen 9 Pokemon. Get rid of those and you're left with Archaludon(pseudo stats), Ting-Lu, Ogeron(legendaries), and 2 starters.
You're missing Gholdengo, Kingambit, Glimmora, Dondozo, and Clodsire
How many are waiting to move into OU when you remove those? How many are already banned?
>gholdengo
>palafin
>annihilape
>kingambit
>glimmora
>maushold
>cyclizar
>espathra
>bloodmoon ursaluna
>the biggest amount of special treatment mons (paradox) ever, surpassing even the UBs
>not even including basculegion, original ursaluna and sneasler
>not even including basculegion, original ursaluna and sneasler
They're not counted because they're technically from Gen 8, not 9
>literally not in swsh, the gen 8 game
>t-there from gen 8
why are you dumb like that?
They're from a Gen 8 game. Legends Arceus was released in Gen 8.
>fanfic meta
>bro, what if we give it Shell Smash, but objectively worse, and no bulk whatsoever?!?!?
They either had to make Veluza as a joke, or were so afraid that Sharpness would make it OP without such an awful downside as its signature move..
It's only use is being an annoying piece of shit in the overworld, but even then it's not that annoying due to being able to easily run form battle these days and the Lets Go feature.
past 8 gens*
>Before gen 7 they were limited to legendaries and a select few regular mons
In Gen 6 there were 31 fully evolved non-legendaries with at least one (some had more) signature moves, and 26 fully evolved non-legendaries with at least one signature ability. This doesn't include any which had signature moves or abilities in previous generations which were then given to a new Pokemon later, which happens often and will happen to most of the ones you're complaining about right now.
That's 57 Pokemon out of 721
>fully evolved non-legendaries
That's 57 out of 322 or 17.7%. I'd say nearly 1/5 is a pretty significant number.
I like signature moves, although I like them more when you can transfer them via egg moves to related/similar mons. It keeps them signature but not exclusive while making more sense for them being egg moves.
I want to complain on why can't Scrafty learn parting shot? It makes sense and with incineroar is not like balance is an issue, hell, most intimidators should also have access to it.
A new shitmon that doesn't have a signature move or ability is a waste of development time. We are 1000 mons deep, we do not need useless filler
The best Pokemon in the game currently has neither.
Go look through gen 1 and 2 movesets and note how many moves that seem mundane now were only learned by one or two lines. Glare used to be a signature move. Waterfall used to be a signature move.
Waterfall was an HM that could be learned by 32 pokemon
And in gen 1 only Seaking could learn it.
I forgot it was even in gen 1 shit
>Seaking
Another early line that deserves some in-game love. I always liked how silly it looked next to the rest of the lineup.
>You gonna train this purple kaiju?
Nah, I think I’ll go with the the horn attached to a regular goldfish.
You mean fins, right?
I don't know what kind of regular goldfish they have where you are that lack fins.
>horngay
point and laugh.
In gen 1 it was exclusive to Goldeen and Seaking.
There were a lot of moves thematically designed for a Pokémon, they just weren't all that special
The difference between now and then is that Game Freak has gotten a lot better at intentionally designing and optimizing Pokémon, compared to when they just threw numbers at the wall for stats and like 30% of mons didn't have a single good STAB option
>a high power move that always crits
LOL
LMAO
ROFL
KEKUS
Skeledirge has 66 Speed and doesn't get Quiver Dance, hope this helps
>being slow and not having quiver dance means its okay to have 100% boost per attack
single digit IQ takes all around. look at the move alone for what it is instead of pairing it with quiver dance.
slow and not having quiver dance means its okay to have 100% boost per attack
Yes, because it's not outspeeding you and may not even be able to make use of that boost. Volcarona is relatively fast, relatively bulky, has the ability to boost 3 stats at once, and would make way better use of a +1 attack boost than Skeledirge.
>Yes, because it's not outspeeding you and may not even be able to make use of that boost.
because the 4x weak to rock bug can definitely make use of its boosts. Also no, because skeledirge is very bulky and CAN always make use of the boost. This reads more like an excuse to argue for the sake of arguing. Its a powercreept move given to the newest gen mon no matter how you spin it
>because the 4x weak to rock bug can definitely make use of its boosts
Yes. Fire/Bug is an incredible defensive typing.
>the 4x weak to rock bug
You're not gonna believe what this generation's gimmick is
>Look at the move alone
That's not how this works moron
A move being good in a vacuum doesn't mean anything if it's stuck on a shitmon or can't be worked into an effective playstyle
Lumina Crash is a fricking insane move, but Espathra doesn't even run it competitively because it can get even better results with a Stored Power set
>competitively
lol
lmao
miss me with your fanfic metas
One is on a slow Pokemon, the other is on a faster Pokemon that has Quiver Dance.
>Gamefreak needs to be crucified for their powercreep.
>Competitive pokemon is a joke and should never be treated seriously
Mutually exclusive
lf comp is a joke then power creep is irrelevant because you can still beat the game with 6 wurmple equivalents
One is used by a shitmon while the other is used by another shitmon which prefers Heat Wave in the competitive format that matters anyway
Neither moves matter
>One is used by a shitmon
Skeledirge?
All I'm getting from this is your ELO took a blow from a Skeledirge
>I send my Abomasnow
>you use torch song
>I use Earthquake and KO you
>you now realize it’s not snowing
Get fricked, b***h
An Abomasow without Snow Warning is basically dead weight
>Abomasnow KOing Skeledirge with onr Earthquake
KEK jesus christ you casualhomosexuals are something else
Volcshit is more busted than skeledirge
I think not enough people talk about how it's the signature move of a starter pokemon as opposed to a lategame pokemon like Volcarona
Once you get Skeledirge all you do for the rest of Paldea is click Torch Song 99% of the time, you don't even need any other move. Base 66 speed is the NPCs' only saving grace
one's on volcarona, a pokemon with 135 special attack and quiver dance
I am fairly certain that OP is a campaignshitter whose dragon/quiver dance sweep was stoped in its tracks by a Skeledirge and now he is lashing out about it here(but wont complain about Unaware instead because he actually likes Clefable and/or Quagsire)
I'm fine with signatures as long as they don't go too far
Like Cinder getting fricking two of them along with not!Protean
balanced
not identical, fiery dance (by itself, not the secondary effect) can be marginally better in some situations
>against soundproof
>with a dancer partner
>if you need to break a sub (then again, maybe you need to bypass it)
that being said, i kinda like the new design for moves that is just the same move but with a small twist like the protect copies, still waiting for a ghost type feint
One is a gen 5 move the other is a gen 9 move