Uh Firefly sisters how do we respond?
Uh Firefly sisters how do we respond?
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Someone spoil this shit for me. I don't plan on ever watching this but I liked the first game and wanna know how they botched it so I can laugh.
>Someone spoil this shit for me. I don't plan on ever watching this but I liked the first game and wanna know how they botched it so I can laugh.
1 LIFE VS 10 THOUSAND LIVES
joel choose 1 life (ellie)
What lives? There's more gays than zombies in the tv show. They don't need a cure.
I'd choose hebe over everyone else everytime as well
If only anyone actually knew how to save those lives instead of just winging it
The choice was much more a "1 life vs a nonzero chance at 10000 lives". Nobody would be so retarded as to actually take that gamble. Or at least so I thought but apparently 22% of the people on that poll would.
See, youre thinking about it wrong. Over 20% of people simply want to see ellie dead.
Ah right, good call.
I would sacrifice 100,000 normalmorons before sacrificing someone in my family. Hell I'd do that even for my dog. I fucking hate all of you.
I wouldn't want it any other way bro, see you in valhalla.
Don't worry anon I'll spare you. Third world countries get first priority on the sacrifice list.
I don't need your mercy, i won't show you the same.
good shit anon.
I'd sacrifice all of humanity, including you and your fucking dog, before a single hair in my family is offered up. I fucking hate you and everyone else. Die already
What 10,000 lives? You have to make an assumption that this time it'll work compared to the other times where it did not, how to mass produce the cure to spread across the destroyed world and ruined infrastructure, trust that the Fireflies are good at their word and not horde it for themselves and you still have to deal with the infected monsters that will still rip you in half no matter if you are immune to it.
There was also the option of telling her and giving her a choice of sacrifice instead of just doing what they did without her consent. Also, there is the plot hole where they could force Ellie the breed a descendant to see if a cure could be passed on instead of gambling a one-in-a-lifetime brains surgery on the only one subject they had left. If you even think about the story enough, most people would side with Joel. Well, that won't matter because he's wrong in Part 2 because you killed someone that their child cared about.
commie logic
the fireflies are displayed as too cartoonishly incompetent. I mean fucks sakes they literally lost a stronghold to a MONKEY. thats fucking bananas
>doubting the power of monke
Did somebody forget the beginning sequence to 28 Days Later? Do not underestimate the power of monke.
Does anyone feel bad for the fireflies?
Even in part 2, no one likes Abby
Dr Cuckmann probably does inbetween his fits of soi and goy induced rages.
So Joel is Eren done right?
Yes pretty much will never forgive what they did to Eren in finale of AoT. It could have been so much better I legit thought the author did it to work on new shit, and just get AoT out of the way, but nothing new came after it. I like to think the entirety of AoT was created just to lead to one big joke of Eren becoming a super cuck.
Good.
I would choose a close person over a million strangers and I'd feel zero guilt because I'm not the one who put them in that situation. I have zero obligation to do the "right" thing when it fucks me over but I still do the right thing when there's no conflict of interests which is what happens most of the time.
But commies would still call me a bad person even though I do way more good deeds and way less bad deeds than them.
>he wouldn't save his daughterwife
Worst husband ever.
Joel and Ellie look for scientist who propose Ellie is a cure. Scientist act like dicks, and tell Joel he has no choice in saving Ellie since Ellie being dissected is a necessity to find le cure, and Joel shows them he more than has a choice, and murder fucks them all with a rifle. Ellie wakes up and asks what happens, and Joel says "lol raiders it was fucked you're safe now :)". The end.
so just the same as the game then
see
for a chunk of the actual dialogue between Marlene and Joel before she decides to have him sent out of the hospital
Yep. They made an inferior version of the game, so wasted all around.
Kind of funny games have better stories than shows/movies now. Oh well, just more stagnation/regression/degeneration, hope you're ready anons.
>Kind of funny games have better stories than shows/movies now.
Because the Street Fighter movie was so good? Oh wait, adaptations often suck
>Because the Street Fighter movie was so good?
No but it had Raul Julia and his scenes were better than every other adaptation.
>Because the Street Fighter movie was so good?
It absolutley was.
>mom hates video games
>refuses to play them and has never played even mario or tetris
>turned down every offer for me to teach her some fun games that she might enjoy like animal crossing
>10 years later she calls me
>HEY ANON YOU PLAYED LAST OF US RIGHT THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD
It might not be completely faithful to the game but it sure as hell does capture the eyes of normies. I never ever would have thought my mom would actually watch a show based on a video game with how adamantly she refuses to have anything to do with them.
2 bothered me because by the way ellie acted at the end of 1 i just assumed she sensed joel was bullshitting her but wanted to live with him so much she said "ok that's bullshit but i believe it" and left it intentionally vague.
now a sequel by necessity will give an answer but i don't believe for a second that ellie is that retarded or that the fireflies could legit get the vaccine done
Is Ellie unconscious the whole time in the show too?
yes
They want to kill the girl for the cure. The protag thinks humanity isn't worth saving if it means killing the girl. Based take if the girl wasn't a fucking gay like OP.
They removed the part where Joel learns about all the previous other botch jobs the fireflies did to find a cure that actually justifies why he did it
>Joel learns about all the previous other botch jobs the fireflies did to find a cure
never happens, this is literally misinformation from a slightly awkward line.
No, I think we learned this through implication. They said something like "The doctor will succeed this time" (not an actual quote, it was something like that), and clearly that implies the doctor just mangled people before. Like if I said "I haven't crashed my car in three weeks, so hop in!". That implies I've recently crashed my car, which isn't a great thing to tell people you want to drive around.
>They said something like "The doctor will succeed this time" (not an actual quote, it was something like that),
Post proof
These morons don't have it. You can't discuss TLOU when retards can't even get factual events right, let alone thematic ideas
It was literally detailed in one of the audiologs in game, they're not doing great with the subjects before ellie
Fucking post it then retard
Lol do you expect me to do your homework for you too retard? Just accept that cuckman changed the story to fit the narrative in his deranged brain.
Dumb fuck I LOVE SCIENCE cult with no education thinks they can come up with a cure to the plague v2 based off one girl's immunity so they play to basically kill her put her brains in an easy bake oven in hope that it might make a vaccine and Joel says yeah that's some dumb shit.
It's exactly the same ending, so you already know what they're talking about.
>Someone spoil this shit for me
>I liked the first game
???
With a golf club.
I assume they did the same stuff as the game, where he rescures Ellie from the surgeon after the Fireflies get ready to kill Joel because they have no use for him anymore.
I don't care what Druckmann says, there's no way in hell that shitheel in a rundown hospital with no actual equipment was going to create anything but one more corpse.
But I also think that more than Ellie was actually immune at that point. Joel and his fellow scavengers were trapsing through spore clouds, dragging spores back into the safe zones every single day. Which is likely why the military forces keep finding positive people within the safe zone. They were likely immune as well, unknowningly exposed to the spores.
The point is not if they can make a cure but Joel was going to save Ellie regardless. But Druckmann is too much of a hack to not give Joel an out by making sure the Fireflies weren't incompetent as fuck so he was in the right to kill them and save Ellie.
Why do Joelfags actively lobby for TLOU to be a dumber and less morally complex story? Is anything more nuanced than superhero beating up the bad guy too much for your NPC brain?
>one guy shoots up an entire hospital full of armed men to save his "daughter"
It's already a superhero story.
Because the Fireflies were moronic terrorists who every where else you see them were either actively getting blown the fuck out or had already long since lost.
They then proceed to try to kill Joel for doing the job they asked him to do. At which point he proceeds to kill them all.
Regardless of their ability to make a cure, the only right option is to kill every last firefly as slowly and painfully as possible.
They don't, TLOU was always dumb and never morally complex.
>the bad guy want eat babies to cure cancer in his shitty garage lab
>here is why thats morally complex and the hero is the bad guy
>feel bad about killing the baby eater
Don't look into real life history of medical advancements, anon. You might get spooked.
I think there's plenty doctors that could have been killed with no problem if we caught them in the middle of their experiments. Shit, if I told you "I can totally make a fungal vaccine, I just need to cut open this teenage girl and harvest her brain", would you let me?
Most issues are not morally complex and are solved through violence. This doesn't make them less intelligent, just urgent. Thinking otherwise does not impress anyone but your redditor peers
>Wants to make a vaccine in a post apoc setting with one test subject they are planning to kill
Yea great writing
This
The mere notion that the Fireflies weren't even going to prolong Ellie's life and try every avenue they could to see what specifically about her made her immune screams full blown retarded. What if Ellie's immunity was entirely related to her blood like the James Harrison guy in Australia? A man who's unique blood has been willingly harvested for decades because it cures Rhesus disease in babies. That guy alone saved over two million kids, and it required him being ALIVE.
What do you expect when their leader is a black woman?
based aussie? didn't think that was possible...
It’s actually dumber in the show because they start off by ambushing him and telling him to fuck off without even paying him
basically what happens in the game as well
What did he even want for payment again? A box of rifles? Didn't the trip take nearly a year?
IIRC, they were supposed to get a shipment of weapons for taking her to the museum, or whatever that building was. So Joel went way above and beyond - and they still fucked him in the end. Fireflies are shit.
With all of the father-daughter dynamic shit going on, I didn't even stop to think that they didn't pay him and just told him to fuck off. Wow. Any morsel of sympathy I somehow found for the fireflies/Abby has now been obliterated
Guns, pills, and ammo.
This was unanimous before the retcon propaganda of the sequel.
This tweet caused levels of malding I didn't think were humanly possible.
It was largely "Joel was right" because the original game had bits showing that this wasn't the first immune person they had gotten ahold of, and they had failed multiple times before hand.
Likely because the retard they had as a doctor went straight to full brain extraction rather than a simple biopsy.
And the worst thing is that the brain likely has nothing to do with it. Immunity isn't exclusive to just one area of the body, it's systemic.
I recall people saying the remake removed the document showing the Fireflies and their doctor were retards.
now why would those imbeciles reconn THAT of all things
because you're supposed to trust the experts and trust the science, chuddie. experts can't be retards and science is infallible stop questioning it.
This never happened. The original game came out in 2013 for Christ's sake - it's not like some obscure arcade cabinet from the 80s that's been lost to time. There are videos on Youtube of all the collectibles dating from the initial release of the first game. Nothing was ever removed
he's talking about the remake you fucking mong
What about the remake was different? Which documents were removed. Post literally any evidence you can find here.
play the game before you enter discussion about it, yeah? thanks 🙂
Also real life cordyceps doesn't infect the brain and instead controls the muscles.
That's even more horrifying.
Cuckman said in an interview that if they had extracted her brain they would have made a cure for it.
That was after they axed the real writer for the first game.
>Cuckman said in an interview that if they had extracted her brain they would have made a cure for it.
Druck the cuck can say what he likes. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense. If I join Naughty Dog and say "Oh, Ellie will cure the infection because she'll go to where they first found the virus and merge with it", that's still just bullshit.
>Cuckman said in an interview that if they had extracted her brain they would have made a cure for it.
Now ask Cuckman what would realistically happen if a group of untrustworthy paramilitary assholes like the Fireflies had a total ,monopoly on this vaccine and the implications that would have on the rest of the world.
Bravo Dr Cuckman, you've done it again.
I look forward to the part 2 announcement campaign where he walks from Seattle, to Jackson back to Seattle and then back to Jackson
>If they extracted her brain they'd have found a cure!
So why didn't they just do a spinal tap then? You know, the technique that keeps your patient alive while also still being able to harvest brain matter and is literally used to identify a multitude of neurological diseases, cancers etc.
Don't question it chud.
And lets be honest, the series made Joel look right even more easily, in the game Ellie is a freaking bizarre mutation, on the series they told us why she is immune, it can be replicated if Marlene was not stupid.
>It was largely "Joel was right" because the original game had bits showing that this wasn't the first immune person they had gotten ahold of, and they had failed multiple times before hand.
Stop posting blatant lies, moron. I don't even like the game yet you stupid morons keep making shit up. He was already in the right because the Fireflies had no way to even distribute a vaccine and THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM FOR DOING THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It's amazing that even after a decade this lie persists. There are no immune people other than Ellie.
The show was already trash due to awful casting, inferior dialogue, TWO episodes of completely halting the plot for gay propaganda and other ridiculous baffling changes made simply to make something that wasn't exactly non-woke to start with significantly more woke. For people who didn't play the game I can see liking it because you basically get the gist of the story but it's not a good adaptation.
damn that tweet with 1800 likes ? crazy, but 8 mil people watched the show so it's not even a drop in the ocean
almost 11 million people saw the tweet
retard
u mad haha
Did they fix druckmann's fuckup with the fireflies? The game never gives a reason to believe they could actually find create a cure, much less mass produce it.
It was never a cure either, just a vaccine
I thought TLoU got involved with Firefly for a second.
There would be murder if that was the case
Well, Pedro was trying his hardest to imitate Fillion's voice and mannerisms in this show. It was really odd.
I hear it in Mando but as far as mannerisms go I think that's just standard stuff for any western cowboy persona. And also Boba Fett. it's really hard not to do the Fett lean when standing in a doorway.
I don't hear or see either in TlOU tho
I liked Jayne's hat
I don’t care.
>Fireflies shown as being largely incompetent
>We're supposed to believe they're capable of manufacturing a cure to something more dangerous than AIDS and cancer in the post-apocalypse
The story was always ridiculous
Nevermind the fact that the fungus stopped being a problem in the sequel, to the point that there were these large city-wide safeholds and humans were killing other humans en mass. Like, what even was the point?
The cities aren’t safe in the sequel, there’s zombies all over Seattle and Jackson has to constantly direct them away and Tommy at one point says they seem like they’re migrating. Ellie sees literal hordes of them underground in Seattle at one point, and they routinely infect new people since there’s even fresh runners.
Did you miss the part where they're having dinner dances and hitting the gym like the outbreak never even happened?
Yes, that is the point. Joel was right.
yup they're also dicks, and act self righteous even though they killed several of their other invaluable test subjects who were also immune and produced ZERO cures.
>though they killed several of their other invaluable test subjects who were also immune and produced ZERO cures.
Anon, that never happened. They never had immune test subjects there were alive before, and they had experimented on transformed people. Ellie was literally the first immune and still alive person they had.
It's apart of a recording in the first game. They either found some people immune, and a plethora of people infected, but not yet turned, or they got a hold of people infected, but were not yet turning. I genuinely don't remember just remember listening to the recording when I played the game.
The full text is here.
>April 28th. Marlene was right. The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of the patient's Cordyceps remain high in both the serum and the cerebrospinal fluid. Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab... however white blood cell lines, including percentages and absolute-counts, are completely normal. There is no elevation of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and an MRI of the brain shows no evidence of fungal-growth in the limbic regions, which would normally accompany the prodrome of aggression in infected patients.
>We must find a way to replicate this state under laboratory conditions. We're about to hit a milestone in human history equal to the discovery of penicillin. After years of wandering in circles, we're about to come home, make a difference, and bring the human race back into control of its own destiny. All of our sacrifices and the hundreds of men and women who've bled for this cause, or worse, will not be in vain.
All that's mentioned is that they did tests on infected subjects. Nowhere is it suggested that they found other immune people. The line "The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen," could not be more clear in that regard.
Yeah people get this mixed up all the time for some reason.
You notice how they say people not subjects or cadavers
They don't say people, what are you smoking?
This recording was removed in an update, it's only found in the 1.0 game. Understandable you think it's not in the game when it was removed quickly and not included in the remake. There is also photographs of other patients brains and research that was removed.
I played the PS4 remaster recently and that recording was in it.
>they killed several of their other invaluable test subjects who were also immune and produced ZERO cures.
Fuck me dead, this has to be the most persistent Mandela Effect shit I've ever seen. I can't believe people are still unironically using this nonsense as an argument.
How's this for Mandela Effect, motherfucker?
https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Surgeon%27s_recorder
That says no one else was immune.
lol, where exactly do they mention other immune subjects, you mongoloid. Surely this line, "The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen," suggests Ellie's the only one they've found. The 'past cases' he's referring to are infected people who turned into zombies. ie. people with no immunity.
The fact that there's a non-zero amount of people who genuinely thought Joel was telling the truth in pic related is pretty fucking funny. The game is really not complicated enough to warrant this much confusion.
The majority of people claiming "u didn plei the gaym" are the same people who deny the reason the fireflies were rushing to split her head open was because the fascist military (verbatim from the tv show) was about to wipe them all out.
They wanted a hail mary to negotiate a truce.
It wasn't about le saving le world, it was about saving their own arses.
>fascist military
I never get this angle, the military in TLoU is incredibly patient. The worst 'atrocity' you can commit to them is that sometimes the good guy fireflys disrupt the military so much and kill so many bad guys that those evil depicable militaty fascists cut their losses and abandon the civilian camps to the fireflies. Which is bad, because unlike the evil military, the good guy fireflys wont protect the civilians and will watch them get eaten by cannibals.
People really are so brain broken about authority that they are completely unable to admit that it's OK for a military to do military stuff during the END OF THE FUCKING WORLD because they are cops and cops bad.DKS8
just tell em fireflies were protesting covid quarantines and they'd hate em right away. Golems are hypocrites like that.
Joel was a chud who didn't trust the science. Fireflies made a 10p% safe and effective vaccine.
>I CAN'T SPORE!
I don't understand lefties for this, like they cry out for some big authoritative figure to come along and enforce their ideology for them, but they also hate the police, military, corporations, government etc. They are like that comic dog that wants the ball to be thrown but doesn't relinquish the ball "no take, only throw"
These are the same people that want to ban guns, defund the police but would the first to buy a gun if America was in a bad enough state and will call the police on people for minor disagreements. There's no logical consistency among the vast majority of your modern golem, for every leftypol gay that means well there's 100 more repeating what the big corporation told them too.
It wasn't ridiculous. It was the point. The entire game is spent casting doubt on them and portraying them as the self righteous thugs Joel already suspected they were, hence why he wasn't too keen on working with them from the start. It's also why the game doesn't give you the choice to let them keep and kill Ellie. Saving her is the only choice because we see how little they're actually accomplishing and we're supposed to know better than to think cutting open her brain is any more than a desperate hail Mary. Sure, there's the soonest of chances it could result in a cure, which is enough to make you consider the moral dilemma but of course you're going to choose to save her regardless.
Did Joel shoot the black woman? If so, yes he was right
>Joel was right
Man these gamers Raid the votes
So now the character that actually does something that would be considered wrong nobody here jumps and spams "HE DID NOTHING WRONG" because twitter did it ? Lmfao what a bunch of clowns
>"dude trust us we can cure everyone with your daughter"
>Gets foreshadowed the doctor is a quack
Except he wasn't wrong, which is kinda the problem. It was never a moral dilemma or some sort of shocking twist.
Nah Ganker was always in agreement that Joel did nothing wrong, and it only got presented as a whatif issue because abby chuds are upsetti nobody wanted to play their gayme
>"We're communists," says the black woman, ignoring the fact that they are not communists, but in fact, a community coming together to supply basic needs for each other.
So who is the owner of their outpost?
Some guy named sneed, but he had a predecessor named chuck.
As an actual Communist: No they're not Communists. Communism is a product of historical and technological forces that arises from having large national level societies. You can't have Communism without having Capitalism, you can't have Capitalism without having Feudalism, you can't have Feudalism without Ancient Empires. These systems and the ability to create them arise from the ones preceding them and the interactions of multiple communities/towns/cities/whatever you want to call them. Convincing Americans that Luddite Hippie Anarchist Communes are "Communism" has been the Glowies single biggest propaganda success in history.
Of course you can't have Communism without Captialism.
Communism is a parasitical philosophy that arises amongst people who are dissatisfied, but have no legitimate reason to be. So, they rile up people who do have legitimate reasons to steal power for themselves.
They then proceed to enact every single abuse of power they accused the old regime of, and then a few more just for the hell of it.
And, when communism fails like it usually does, they all collectively agree that it wasn't REALLY communism. And then they get back in line to do the same thing.
Yeah just like the
>Irish Famine
>A Dozen British India Famines
>That killed more than the famines under Communist China and Russia
>Two Countries that had dozens of famines in their capitalist days
>Two countries that only had that single famine
But those weren't "Real Capitalism" amirite
Capitalism sucks.
Communism sucks.
There, now we're all satisfied, right?
>But those weren't "Real Capitalism" amirite
No, the difference between me and a commie is that I'll tell you capitalism sucks. I just also thinks its works the best given the alternative. Any group that goes "This horrible thing that happened only happened because it wasn't done correctly! Lets try again!" should be gassed.
>t.
Ironic because your book event has not a single proof of their deaths counts.
t. black boook of communism
>successful capitalist nations: many
>successful communist nations: none
>successful capitalist nations: many
What is sucecessful tto you, make a child rip out his ick?
The communist nations and communist friendly ones were the ones that came up with that rhetoric. chud ideology was literally made up during a time when Germany was the closest to being taken over by commies.
Capitalism doesn't give a shit but its works for the west because we take advantage of everywhere else. Ironically this place is the best argument against communism, there is no unity between workers in different parts of the world. Capitalism works as well as it does because this understanding is baked into it, competition. Communism doesn't work because it doesn't understand or want to understand human nature.
>No legitimate Grievances
>but have no legitimate reason to be
they have countless reasons to be angry
they're just too stupid to realize communism won't fix it
He's not talking about fucking Cleetus and Jamal who actually have a right to be angry. He's talking about the fucking tree-spirits and trust-fund babies out of liberal arts colleges.
>a community coming together to supply basic needs for each other.
What do you think a commune is bro
Was it the remake or a flashback in the sequel that showed the fireflies base as being cleaner and not as dirty or in bad shape as the original game had?
Demake and Part 2.
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That just looks like your standard 'Look, we upgraded the shit out of the graphics so we can justify selling you the same game at full price again' changes.
No, it was done in order to make it seem plausible that the Fireflies could have actually developed a cure, because it was obvious that they couldn't and that spoiled the whole point of the ending. You can be sure that Joel never considered whether they were actually capable. But the player does and it ruins the ending for them, and Druckmann has been obsessed with retconning it for that reason.
That's always been the problem with the original game's ending anyways. The game makes a big deal about the choice but the player doesn't get to actually choose what to do, Joel automatically decides he wants to save Ellie whether or not you make him find out what happened to the previous immune subjects, and that causes a dissociation for the players that believe he made the wrong choice in the end.
Imagine if Deus Ex pulled the same shit, tens of hours of dialogue choices and deciding how to carry out each mission, learning more about the world and all the problems going on due to the way the protected class have run things into the ground, and then when you get to the end JC just says "fuck it, lemme in!" and you don't get to decide fate.
how are you missing the sickly green color grading in the original that was removed
>killing psychos in post apocalypse end of the world to save someone you love is… bad?
only mentally neutered terminally cucked liberal autists would ever think this.
I aint seen the show past the first ep.
Did they change anything important?
Joel is apparently gay now
I don't know what the point is if they're just going to kill him anyway in the next season
Have you even seen the show?
Wait was it somebody else being gay people were crying about?
They made Bill gay in the show. Totally ruined his game character.
Bill was gay in the game as well.
Didn’t see any gay porn in Tlou 1, maybe you’re thinking of part 2
I guess you just didn't play the first game then? Retarded culture warriors like you should stick to getting upset about shit you've actually played - hopping on the bandwagon now that the Last of Us is in the news again is just embarassing.
Is this scene in the remake?
It's in the original game retard. People like (You) are just as embarrassing and pathetic as the social justice warriors who pretend to be upset about comic books they don't read and games they don't play.
I'm asking if it's in the remake, retard.
yeah it is
I don’t see Bill I that screenshot.
I guess you didn't even play the game too huh?
that's not even Bill's car, that's Frank's
>Bill's "partner" was a gay dude
Hmmmmmm
its ok to come out of the closet, anon; it's 2023 after all.
I'm not the one you need to tell that to, anon.
This is clearly bait at this point, but Ellie literally mentions she took the magazines from Bill's place.
Its disingenuous gays like you who just make shit up that make this game such a nightmare to talk about on Ganker.
cry about it
pwned
It seems I mixed up characters, then. My apologies.
>They made Bill gay in the show. Totally ruined his game character.
Ellie finds his gay porn magazines in the game though
Maybe he just reads them for the articles
not only do they find his gay porn, the pages are stuck together from all of bill's jerk off sessions
Wait Joel is a fag now?
Alright I'm switching to team Abbey.
No, I fucked up, Bill and Frank were the gay characters.
>Hey Claudius, you killed my fadda. Big mistake.
>now
in 2 he prostituted himself for ground coffee
race swapped characters
joel and tommy are Hispanics now and BOTH have/ had a black wife
joel is a huge pussy now
the cannibal ellie kills is now a christian priest
they tried to make it very clear that the fireflies could make a cure and totally figured out the virus
normans literally don't care about any of this it's going to be when they kill joel that they will go full nuclear. if I was sony I just wouldn't greenlight a s2, and would leave it at this. let normies wonder why the fuck not since the chances of them picking up the game would lead to only a small minority actually figuring it out, and being able to put two, and two together, and I'd try to pump as many Sony IPs through HBO before the demand for a S2 of Tlou happens hell I'd even say something a long the lines of "haha waiting for actors to age up a bit before we cast them further into the story :)". It's going to be hilarious the absolute shit-show that's going to happen.
of course joel was right, there was 0 certain that a cure was going to work
Well in the show they knew exactly why she was immune so in the show he did nothing wrong.
A vaccine at that point in time wouldn't help much in the first place. If you were bit, you were bit by a zomie that's still alive and trying to tear you to shreds, and they usually travel in packs so most cases should end with you being disembowled by them instead of getting away and turning. Even the few that do get bit and get away would still get an infection that'd probably kill them without a shitload of advanced antibiotics given you just got bit by a walking corpse.
None of it solves the issue of thousands of zombies roaming the world trying to murder anyone they find (even people who are immune).
Society has collapsed at that point, the game hammers the point that the real enemy are us, over and over. A vaccine wouldn't change anything even if it could be produced and distributed, which is unlikely.
Would you allow your wife/gf/mother/sister/daughter to be killed to potentially make 10,000 strangers immune? Especially considering what you know about the Fireflies and their ineptitude?
cuckman must be seething right now
I don't care
His kind is always kvetching.
Cuckman said he would do the same thing Joel did
>create game
>years later decide to pull an “didnt i subvert your expectations XD” from his ass, which obviously wasn’t planned from the start at all
>backfires and makes no sense cus was clearly an ass pull for shock effect and le epic storytelling of deep feelings !!
its so insanely bad
>two Black brothers show up
>horror/thriller movie
>one got infected, 1 kys himself
classic garden gnome, lmao
I personally have not heard of a compelling argument for the "No, the fireflies could have totally made the vaccine!" side. First of all, fungal vaccines aren't real. People tend to say "Neither are mushroom zombies!"...but they are!
Its more common knowledge now, but there's totally fungus that infects living things in the real world. Just not people IIRC, but there's still mushroom zombies that exist. I don't have to suspend my disbelief for that, but I do for fungus vaccines.
You mean to tell me the fire flies are going to create the first ever fungal vaccine now? At the end of the world? With presumably less resources than normal due to a fucking apocalypse? No, not only was Joel right, he was actually the hero!
>I don't have to suspend my disbelief for that
Fucking lmao
I don't though; I can see the mushroom zombies. I can point to them. There's a pokemon based off of them. I see the mushroom zombies, so what disbelief am I suspending? Show me a fungal vaccine.
Well the cause of zombies in this case is exactly the difference between vaccination and immunity. Funguses aren't like viruses, while not always the case, they consume and transform decaying and living tissue. A fungal infection would lead to mutations as seen in the show, but making a vaccine for a fungus is like making a poison for a virus, the methodology doesn't intersect at all.
For example, if someone is infected by the fungus from the show, it's explained that the fungus grows in specific parts of the body by consuming and changing the matter to better suit itself to its host environment. If the host were immune, his DNA might not be effected, but the mutations (more like biological reactions) would still occur, you'd have to remove every instance of the fungus and it's spores in order to prevent that. White blood cells are simply too small an organism to fight a multicelled fungus.
I get what you're saying about the vaccines though, but even then it doesn't seem logical for there to be a non-mutagenic and gene-splicing method for immunity or even reversal if at all.
It would be a monoclonal antibody, which is essentially what they would have tried to harvest from Ellie, but no way could they have scaled that up and produced it.
Agree, it was a total asspulls from the fireflies to save themselves, Joel made a morally selfish decision but grand scale it probably wouldn't haven't changed the world anyway. I dont hate that kind of outing, but it's tacky. Like an anime trope ending.
I goggled it 4 u https://news.uga.edu/new-vaccine-targets-fungal-infections/amp/
Without even clicking on it, I know that people are trying to make fungal vaccines. However, none work well enough to actually cure people in the way the show or game wants us to think is possible. Beyond that, I still don't believe a post zombie apocalypse world could do it when we barely can.
When the entire planets singular focus is on doing that act, it increases chances. Like when covid came out a ton of vaccine research went mega fast.
>When the entire planets singular focus is on doing that act, it increases chances. Like when covid came out a ton of vaccine research went mega fast.
nta but the context is different, when covid happened the entire world is not in post-apocalyptic setting. everything's still intact and labs all around the world are accessible.
>When the entire planets singular focus is on doing that act,
Was that a plot point in the show? In the game, no one but the fireflies were working on a cure, and apparently the fireflies were getting their asses kicked hard.
yeah and look how well that worked; they cured covid with that vaccine and there have been no side effects!
True the white made “vaccine” kills more than it saves.
Let's be honest here. The writers doesn't know jackshit about how biology work. The fungus is just yet another zombie apocalypse flavor and tried to bullshit the usual 'find a vaccine' objective except it made no fucking sense. They just wanted zombies but don't want to call them zombies.
There isn't any modern Zombie fiction that does call them zombies
What is it it with these pretentious hacks and not calling their zombies zombies? Does it make them feel better about being hacks?
>pretentious hacks
It's been a thing for over a decade. See: Shaun of the Dead
>Start off the show with a scene of a guy emphasizing that you cannot make a vaccine for fungi.
>End the show claiming some dumb fuck "We Are the Resistance," retards could make vaccine if mean ol' Joel didn't stop them.
I didn't watch the show, ma bro, I just played the game. I don't know what retardation they did in the show, and I refuse to learn.
Based.
>70s compared to post-apocalyptic hellscape.
ftfy dipshit.
Yet the Chinese lab was able to infect the world with a man made virus, curious. China is a post apocalyptic hells cape made of bugmen. Whites aren’t capable enough to create a vaccine? True.
Well, for one, I didn’t get a platinum trophy after watching the show, which is stupid.
70s compared to 2000s, el retardo
pedro pascal is a fucking terrible actor
the only reason everything happened is so they could have you play as the “killer of the protagonist of the last game”, the entire story was bent over backwards for this gameplay point. its shit writing cus the writing serves an even worse weird gameplay objective
But Abby literally did the same thing towards the end of TLOU2. She's literally like a worse Joel in everything she did.
I mean the 2nd half of that game is just a remake of 1 but with a woman and a chud
TLOU2 was so bad, the fucking chud is the least of the game's problems. Also, Lev acted the most rational of everyone, so that's something.
I liked the gameplay if that game had a multiplayer mode like the first one I would probably be a tlou2 defender
Lol no he didn’t in fact the entire ending is his fault
>his
didnt the chud kill her mother?
the most sane person is the bigot sandwich guy
Apparently, the chud was attacked. Regardless, I didn't see him (female) dragging people around to murder families, and then unironically going "Huh?! How could they do this!?" when the same thing happens to her (male).
yeah but her sister tells her that dont return of she will get hurt or killed. and the stupid bitch returns and expect her mother will be happy to see her knowing that thanks to her, their people want to kill her too.
also Lev gets over it quickly and her sister death too. every character in this game is insane
I hated those enemies so much they're were blatantly there as some tired social commentary about lgbt rights or some shit the game would have made way more sense if it was Tommys people and Abbies people fighting.
The Chad Bigot
i hated this game so much that i'm using daz 3d to make parody porn of the characters. aged up when required, of course.
You make porn out of things you hate? Why would you not want to see porn of things you like?
it is the ultimate revenge. an actual fuck you to the creators. and also i'm bored with nothing to do.
That’s not even minor revenge. It’s literally not revenge at all. It’s advertisement.
NTA but that hack Levine was absolutely seething about all the porn of Elizabeth. I'd consider that a win.
i'm more talking about how i feel. besides, if it works as advertisement, then let it be advertisement. i'd certianly love to know what Neil thinks about Lev getting fucked in the ass by an orthodox garden gnome or something equally crazy.
I’m gonna go with not care. I bet kojima is shaking with fury when he sees quiet get fucked by a horse.
even if he doesn't care, I do. i'm having fun.
Pretty based if you ask me. But, like, both versions of based. The original insane version and the modern 'pretty cool' version.
glad you appreciate, anon. but am i really crazy for wanting to see porn of some garbage side character in a game thats worth about as much as used toilet paper? yes, i think the answer is yes.
>daz 3d
subhuman
i knew i'd be forsaking my humanity when i started this misson, but i think its worth it. daz is also a great way to get and create models and you can stick them into blende, so it all works out.
>aged up when required, of course.
interest lost
daz3d is free anon. you can have all of your "teen Ellie vs BBC" fantasies you want through there.
>vs BBC
why would you project something as disgusting as this onto other people, cuckold anon.
i absolutely did not project ellie getting absolutely cervix-blasted by big black dudes while her dumb girlfriend watches onto other people. i was merely suggesting a thing.
Agreed. Those leeches hasn't made anything worthwhile in years, and is just a waste of the taxpayers money.
Does Joel go on an rampage in the show aswell? No chud cut down version?
Yes, on a slow mention montage with sad music and close ups of the poor fireflies faces while dying.
Gay, should have slowly gone through the hospital slaughtering hundreds of these gays
They also didn't find Ellie unconscious, they just lied to her that she'd be fine after the operation instead.
>on a slow mention montage with sad music and close ups of the poor fireflies faces while dying.
I wonder if ole Pablo will be getting the same treatment when hes getting his faced pushed in by a chud with a golf club kek.
Even if the Fireflies made a vaccine, you think they would just hand it out like it's a first world country? No. They would use it to gain political power and only their most loyal dogs would get it.
I think people underestimate how horrible the fireflies were. People seem to retcon them into being some good guys, but everything we've seen of the fireflies shows that they're simply horrible. Perhaps even worse than the WLF, or Hunters, and such because they're ruining guys based on little more than ideology. Everyone else is just trying to survive mostly.
>everyone agrees family comes first
Normalfags aren't that bad after all
I can't wait for part 2 sistahs!
>cure
Was it really a search or a cure and not immunity against the cordyceps? ONce it infects you you can no longer fight back, right? There's no panacea, only a prevention
Yeah it was supposed to provide immunity, not cure people who already went mario mode.
>people who already went mario mode.
They were italians?
There's gonna be so much butthurt when Pedro gets clubbed next season
I unironically can't wait for the shitstorm either. At the very least, the constant back and forth from retards online will be fantastic to watch.
There's no way the majority of people watching the show don't already know about that. It was like the only thing people talked about with TLoU when 2 came out and it was all over the internet.
Also not the first time Pedro Pascal gets brutally killed on HBO
You really overestimate the average normalfag. There were people who had no idea the show was even based on a game.
you're fucking retarded if you think the average normalfag even knew TLoU was based off a videogame unless it was told to them directly.
Even if they could mass produce a vaccine they're still pretty much doomed. There were millions of mushroom zombies out there that could tear your face off plus all the factions of people shooting each other. You'd have to find a remote island stronghold that you could sustainably grow food on and then wait several decades for all the mushrooms to die.
>Careful, spoilers likely in the comments
This is retarded, the question being posed is itself a complete spoiler. Now when you watch the episode, the moment Joel proposes something (No idea what, haven't watched the show) you know from this poll's wording that Joel's proposition will be controversial, and he will get his way with it.
In the show they get the old lady South American scientist like the moment it happens. All gubberments would do the same. Fireflies get their hands on some top bros. Ez pz fictioneze
for me, its the hunters, always loved executing firefly tourists in factions
the new ending is fucking retarded
>bitch knows how to make more like ellie
>could easily recreate the situation again
>lets just waste valuable resources and men to get this skinny shit actress across the US instead of recreating the situation that caused her creation
shut the fuck up, i just wanna ellie gf that's all.
True ending: Kill the fireflies, kill Ellie, mindbreak fuck the muscular chick.
Season 2 is gonna be such a shitshow HAHAHAHA
Why do you dumb assholes always talk about things you despise? I've been on this board since 2007 and I still can't wrap my head around it. It's like you're dogs that have to drag dead birds into the house. Why not spend that time talking about things you actually like? You're just giving these shit projects even more attention by bringing it up. Also stop going to Twitter you stupid fucks.
>stop making fun of my goyslop
nah
You're giving them more attention. Id est they will make more money from it you stupid prick.
Lol this idiot doesn't have a house full of dead birds. Like what do your feet even crunch on when you get out of bed in the morning?
Those dogs are being responsible and saving those dead birds for later.
I prefer talking about what I like too. But such conversations don't get half as much engagement. Such is the internet.
It do be like that, though.
As a fan or was a fan of this. I want it to be good but seeing what they did with the TV series I'm sure there's no fixing it now.
honestly the show was like a 6.5-7 wasn't anything amazing, or as good as the game, and felt kinda underwhelming but not bad by any means. totally acceptable by normie standards. I am looking forward to the god awful shit show that will be season 2, and the reactions that will follow suit with how fucking awful cuckman's writing is, and his bastardization of hennig's work. also EMAJUUUUN BEING SNOY you release an Uncharted film, and don't cast Caville as Drake. Absolutely insane the chutzpah of these garden gnomes casting Tom twig figure Holland in such a role.
So, for anyone unfortunate enough to play 2, I heard Ellie freaks out when she found out Joel lied to her. Is that true? It seems clear to me from the ending of the first game that Ellie absolutely knows Joel is lying but chooses to accept the lie. I figured they'd change it for the show, but no, it's the same. Am I seeing something that's not there, or is Druk such a hack he makes a character lose her shit over something she already knows?
She clearly understands he's lying, but she didn't know that he chimped out and killed them all (incl. Marlene who she actually knew and liked).
>It seems clear to me from the ending of the first game that Ellie absolutely knows Joel is lying but chooses to accept the lie
yeah but druckmann doesn't understand that because he's a hack
canonically you only have to kill the doctor and marlene (and random asshole).
>canonically you only have to kill the doctor and marlene (and random asshole).
Even just him killing Marlene would have pissed Ellie off though.
Canonically, there's a flashback in the beginning of Part 2 that shows numerous shot up bodies. Joel killed a bunch of people, wiped out the Fireflies.
well of course; because neil has been trying to bury him for ages probably because he's a cis white male.
She knew it wasn't hunters, she didn't know Joel went final solution on the fireflies
She gets more mad a Joel for sticking up for her from some redneck calling her a Dyke, than the redneck himself.
Its pathetically bad.
I will laugh so fucking hard when he gets killed by Abby and the normies react exactly how a lot of the playerbase reacted as they are forced to give a shit about her.
i wonder which actress they have in mind for the role. Seems almost like professional suicide to take that part.
You and I know that's not true Anon. You get lots of brownie points from normies and casuals alike. That's who it's all marketed towards.
that worked so well for star wars
Video game joel? 100% in the right. Saving pic related though? 100% in the wrong.
oh no
how much of season 1 are they going to have to retcon to get back at those heckin racist white incels in season 2?
Do you hold racists beliefs?
When was the last time you had sex?
Are you white skinned?
Answer all truthfully.
Yes
Yesterday with a black woman whose preferred pronoun is moron in bed
Yes
>there exists ZERO vaccines for fungal infections in real life in the current year
>this is even acknowledged in the beginning of the second episode where the fungal scientist says that there is absolutely nothing that can be done other than firebombing everything
>even in the situation where they could somehow derive a vaccine 20 years after the apocalypse, they don't even entertain the idea of having Ellie getting pregnant and having a child or at least aborting a fetus and testing with that, which is arguably more humane
>the reason for her immunity doesn't even make since, for if she was infected since birth, she would have almost certainly been tested and return an infected result in the timespan of fourteen years
>the thought of immunity didn't even occur to Marlene despite knowing the mother was infected
This is only one of the issues with the writing, and it's a pretty big issue that doesn't seem to have been addressed at all. The strength of the first game is that the characters are believable, not that the underlying story is good. Thinking he was a good writer is Druckmann's mistake and lead to all the cringey stuff like bigot sandwiches or an Asian-gnomish love triangle or some completely unfitting transgender plotline an unnecessary anal sex scene.
Not only did Joel do nothing wrong, your game is FUCKING SHIT.
>We're making a cure for the Infected!
>show watchers: What infected?
I still can't believe how much the writers think they fucked up with Joel being in the right.
>no more ambiguity about finding the cure
>know exactly how to cure the zombie plague and distribute it to save humanity
>never fucked up any previous attempt ever
>fireflies are all great stand up members of society
They really want you to end up resenting Joel so when he dies you can side with Abby. It's so painfully obvious. Idk why they're forcing this narrative when him being right is so obviously the feeling most people have.
you see, normal people wouldn’t feel too sorry for israeli soldiers getting killed after butchering palestinian children for years. the levels of hackery in tlou come from a mentally ill zionist, it’s hard for actual people to sympathize with their way of thinking.
Why is the show getting so much attention? Does it do stuff differently? From what I can tell of posts, it seems like it's literally just the same thing from 10 years ago, except now my normalfag friend keeps annoying me about it trying to get me to watch the shit I've already played.
>under age lesbian romance subplot
Yeah that sounds like Hollywood.
Hollywood is infested with hack-writters that get off from lesbo teens, they probably hear Tatu when writing their shit stories, where is my /ss/ or younger guy getting bewitched by a old hag, its always a younger guy and gay guy, at least the french knows how to do actual forbidden love.
You should work in Hollywood and flex those fetishes Anon. I'm sure you'll be the next Dan Schneider.
Has Druckmann made any response to this poll? Would love to see him seethe.
So I never played the DLC and have pretty much zero interest in two.
Do they ever make it a big plot point how Ellie, a female in a virus apocalypse scenario with some kind of potentially genetic immunity, is a lesbian not willing to fabricate offspring?
There was a drag queen story hour at the fedra school and the rest is history
NOPE we are talking about Cuckman who thinks in le zombie apocalypse chuds have access to pharmaceutical testosterone, and estrogen. Sony didn't actually think ahead, and realize that majority of gamers have significantly lower standards than your average movie goer beer drinking normies. Season 2 is going to lose a ton of sway with normies unless they make season 2's entirety Joel, and Ellie again, and make the finale Joel getting his brains bashed in. Only way they'll keep an audience watching.
>joel defends his and ellies life
>she hulk caves his head in and gets away with it
very inspiring message from the talmud
The game itself, the original Last of Us, wants you to believe by the end that Joel sacrificed saving the world in order to save his daughter.
Every single thing you notice about the Fireflies is actually bad writing. All of that flies in the face of the intent of the game. When you say "Yeah, the FIreflies couldn't had cured shit", you're saying the game is poorly written.
It's not (just) to spin a personal narrative that Neil Druckmann kept trying to make it more plausible (in the remake, the show and in TLOU2) that the Fireflies had a cure with Ellie, it's to fix his piss poor writing decision.
If you think Joel was right specifically because you think the Fireflies couldn't had cured anything, you think that TLOU's central story moment was poorly written and that's OK.
You're damn right I think that.
The show actually made it clear that the Fireflies wouldn't have been able to create a cure given the extra added scene of the fungal scientist.
Basically everything
said.
Marlene has a new scene of her explaining why Ellie is a special exception to what the scientist says and is immune.
Also there's a scene where Ellie is going to be tested but specifically tries to avoid it because she knows she'd register as infected.
There are several mentions of Ellie living a largely sheltered life, protected silently by Marlene, so she'd never go from one quarantine zone to another. Making her chances of getting tested low.
was phonewatching the show.
>Marlene has a new scene of her explaining why Ellie is a special exception to what the scientist says and is immune.
Explain yourself.
>Also there's a scene where Ellie is going to be tested but specifically tries to avoid it because she knows she'd register as infected.
Irrelevant. Happens after she knows when she was immune.
>There are several mentions of Ellie living a largely sheltered life, protected silently by Marlene, so she'd never go from one quarantine zone to another. Making her chances of getting tested low.
Right, Marlene the most wanted Firefly is silently watching over and grooming Ellie to be a FEDRA brat. Surely FEDRA wouldn’t regularly test people for an extremely pervasive spore that infects its host by being accidentally inhaled and has tendrils in the that extend all over the fucking continent.
THE WRITING IS BAD.
YOUR. GAME. IS. SHIT.
yourself.
Joel
>"What surgery"
Marlene
>"Our doctor thinks the cordyceps inside of Ellie has been with her since birth. It produces a kind of chemical messenger. It makes normal cordyceps thinks that she's cordyceps. It's why she's immune. He's gonna remove it from her, multiply the cells in a lab, produce those chemical messengers, and then we can give it to everyone. He thinks it can be a cure, Joel. A cure"
J
>"Cordyceps grows inside the brain"
M
>"It does"
J
>"Find someone else"
M
>"There is no one else"
(We're also shown Ellie being born and her mother being bitten)
, Marlene the most wanted Firefly is silently watching over and grooming Ellie to be a FEDRA brat.
Marlene
>"I was there when she was born, Joel. I promised her mother that I would save her child
’t regularly test people for an extremely pervasive spore
There are no spores in the show, gamefag.
Like I said, Neil Druckmann tried to rectify his bad writing in the game with better writing in the show.
You can argue that this still isn't enough to show the Fireflies as competent but that's going to be a restriction no matter how much this story is told because it centers around Joel and Ellie and not the Fireflies or their doctor.
>(We're also shown Ellie being born and her mother being bitten)
before the umbilical cord is cut, which is why she's immune.
So we can just impregnate women, have them get bitten, and eventually raise a generation of immune humans? I mean, if they aren't all written by Druckmann (so either gay or trans or whatever), they'll eventually have kids that can get bit and be fine and continue that cycle.
They'd have to test the hypothesis with Ellie. If it failed, you wouldn't do that. If it succeeded, you also wouldn't do that because you just have a not-vaccine.
Interesting. I didn’t know that the show had that different lore. In any case, that’s beside the point. Ellie not being tested in fourteen years especially when Marlene knew Anna was infected during her birth is some convenient bullshit.
Not even poorly written. I believe the fireflies believed they could cure the world because they're basically ideological soldiers. My issue is that the writers thinks I'm dumb enough to believe "nono, they totally could have created the FIRST fungal vaccine RIGHT NOW if they just harvested Ellies brains. Totally".
>its poorly written
>why?
>because.... IT IS
Fuck you, Drunkman is a retarded but at least its obvious that he made the ending dubious, the problem is that everyone went to Joel side because of the VA performance and then he decided to shit on the fans on TLOU2
The biggest indicator that it's poor writing is that every single character that knows what's going on believes the Fireflies have a cure on their hand.
Joel believes it and doesn't give a fuck. He is saving his daughter no matter what cure they have.
Marlene believes it.
All of the Fireflies believe they have a cure on their hands.
The doctor is willing to fight a fully armed man to the death with a metal toothpick for it.
Anything invalidating what these characters believe isn't to advance or expand Joel's character or Ellie's character or their personal stories. It's to actively shit on it and make them worse, which is what the original game does with its notes and grungy hospital and besieged Fireflies etc.
Also, if Joel were sure the Fireflies couldn't have made a cure, he had really good reason to tell Ellie the truth instead of letting her think they just gave up looking for a cure.
There's an old X Files episode called Firewalker that has more interesting cordyceps zombies. They're driven to get close to people in the final stages before the spore organ bursts out of their throat and infects anyone nearby.
>People think that Druckmann wants you to side with Abby and the Fireflies
The Fireflies are Palestinians
Druckmann is an Israeli and Joel is the IDF that got lynched by the Palestinians and this event made Druckmann so angry that he wrote Abby as a stand-in of the people who did it.
and then he makes you play as abby and lets her live
just doesn't add up to me
He wants to kill every single Palestinian but realizes that they might want to kill him back if that happens.
It's the cycle of hatred
so he has you kill countless palestinians but lets the one he hates the most live
and killing all those other palestinians somehow doesn't contribute to the cycle of hatred
I'm still not buying this theory
What good would a cure/vaccine do anyway? Is it really that much of a problem to avoid the areas with spores?
Wrong board
>Fedra are bloodthirsty assholes and murder people constantly for minor infractions
>Fireflies are incompetent assholes who bomb innocents to distract Fedra while they make utterly useless maneuvers
>Hunters are all insensate murderers and/or rapists who have zero goals other than raping and murdering any and all average joes running around
>WLF are bloodthirsty killers and scavengers who will kill pretty much anybody who doesn't agree with their goals
>The only people in the setting who aren't senseless murderbots with zero conscience are individuals who pretty much exist to be Cuckmann's moral mouthpiece for the chapter they exist in and vanish from the narrative after their footnote is written
>There is an extensive debate over whether Joel (audience surrogate for paternal protection who has no actual flaws beyond his willingness to kill frenzied murderers in an apocalyptic setting) did the right thing by killing terrorists who have been shown explicitly to have a poor track record with literally anything more complex than bombing an undefended market square
I can happily say that I don't intend to watch this show or play the sequel game. I played the original game when it came out, thoroughly enjoyed it and I would rather not taint the memory by consuming garbage made by retards.
Popular opinion will do a 180 when they dedicate the entire first episode of S2 to how kind and wholesome the fireflies and the doctor especially were to everyone especially chud Abby and how ebil Joel just went in and murdered everyone because of pent-up white male rage against diverse communities
Relax, they already announced that they will do at least 2 more seasons, so I guess next season will go full filler to show how Joel is a piece of shit (maybe even tries to rape Ellie after getting drunk) to put the savior Abby at the start of season 3 to save the series.
Uh, where will they shove the mandatory gay episodes if they do that? If three seasons really are confirmed then S2 will be jumping between the two groups up until Joel dies then S3 is Ellies revenge tour to Seattle.
>that they will do at least 2 more seasons
There's not enough material, wtf are they thinking
after adapting TLOU2 druckberg will make its sequel in TV format instead of a game, because instead of TLOU3 naughty dog is making a multiplayer F2P TLOU game with no story.
Sorry, I must have missed that episode of The Gayest of Us.
Joel did nothing wrong why in the fuck would you let some incompetent moron murder your surrogate daughter for a non existent chance at saving anyone much less then a doomed race of savages. I would sacrifice 100 million people just for the paw on my dogs foot.
>can't talk about Bill episode without being called a bigot
Why did they have to do bill dirty? We'll never get to see that fat fuck again because of that stupid episode. How was giving them an happy ending better than the original? Idgaf they were gays, it's annoying they thought they HAD to give them a happy ending when everything was supposed to be a sad ending. Also making the little moron kid deaf was a dumb decision.
You aren't afraid of being called a bigot, are you? I know I'm not. I won't let mean names get in the way of me critiquing art.
>vaccine
>fungus
>Rub a cream on everyone infected
They're trying their best to make a zombie story without calling them zombies.
As silly as fungi turning people into zombies so what's your point?
So what irl chud are they going cast as Abby?
I'm guessing Ellen page wearing a muscle suit
Why dont they impregnate ellie to see if her children would be immune?
Least pedophilic Ganker user.
>Ackshully, it'd be hebe-
Don't care, only pedos care about the difference.
who mentioned anything about age? its retarded to kill such a rare subject.
It's the apocalypse you sissy gay.
Who cares? Would you start fucking children just because its the apocalypse?
So wait 5 years or whatever it takes to reach the age of majority you want?
Yes, anon. I like my girls mature, and not literally snot nosed, naive children who'd get emotionally fucked up after sex with greasy old men.
Okay, so you'd try rip out her brain stem at first port of call instead of waiting x years, knocking her up and then seeing the results of that test?
I don't know what you mean, so instead I'll say fucking children and whatever the fireflies wanted to do are both bad plans.
t. david
They chose Bella Ramsay for the role specifically to answer that question, even if it went completely at odds with the episode about the cannibal guy. Completely destroyed any suspension of disbelief that anyone would lust after that fat moonface. They should have chosen a hot broad like in the game.
Okay 2 scenarios.
1. The "realistic" in game scenario
The fireflies are clueless and dumbfucks. They have no idea what they are doing and they are just killing Ellie. There are plenty of evidence in game (and show) to support this.
2. Ellie could have saved everyone
Would still have saved Ellie. Given a choice where if I could save a million people or a family member I love? Yeah. Not even a close choice. The person I love every single time.
So Joel always makes the right choice no matter what happens.
I respect Joelfags who are Joelfags despite #2 over people who are, unwittingly, just shitting on the finer details of the game's writing
Neil himself says he would've killed everyone in that hospital to save his daughter
Ellie probably would've done the same for Joel
even if the cure was a 100% guarantee I still fucking agree with joel because the way the firefucks went about it is so retarded
>find joel and ellie while he's trying to resuscitate her after nearly drowning
>knock him the fuck out because he's ignoring you (no shit he's trying to fucking revive her you dumb cunts)
>joel wakes up without ellie there and the first thing they tell him is they immediately decided to cut her into pieces without his knowledge and arguably without her consent. for no fucking reason, as there really isn't any clear time constraint at play
they're just stupid. they wrote them too stupid. its impossible to feel bad at any point for them because they are just. so. fucking. STUPID.
Can't wait for the golf club scene halfway into the second season and the mass exodus of viewers the very next day.
marlene saw with her own eyes ellie's mom get infected and then give birth and never once put two and two together that ellie is immune because she was partially infected through the umbilical cord
the fireflies, being the ultra-utilitarian faction that they are, would have much more success simply infecting pregnant women as they go into labor and create a small army of ellies
That is retarded. Just keep a small sample of cordyceps around (even easier in game since it is spores vs bites) and just infect new born babies. No need to kill the moms.
lol wtf I just read the ending to last of us 2, lmao what a shitshow.
how can a fucking fungi take control of our brains lmao just fucking bathe in cream??
Ask Ross he knows a thing or two about being a fungi.
Do I play the copy of the original remaster I already have or should I get the PS5 version of 1?
I think the only difference is the graphics. You actually get less game in the PS5 version since it doesn't have factions in it.
You don't take the L and fuck off
Did they maintain the retcon from the original TLOU by removing the audio tape about prior patients, changing the doctor to a white guy and making the lab significantly cleaner than it originally was?
YOU CAN'T TAKE THE SKY FROM ME
How badly are normalfags going to seethe at Abby?
People would throw nukes at each other now if it meant their family survived. Should've shown a world worth saving. Unfortunately only Japanese writers are capable of this.
>Fireflys, a group that picks up vagrants and terrorists and dies all the fucking time, will surely make a cure for something that the greatest minds in the world couldn't.
Even if they did someone miraculously learn to make a vax for fungus it wouldn't stop them from being absolutely torn apart by hordes of infected. Vaccines/antidotes dont make you immune to getting stomped by 4 cannibal mushrooms.
>BUT WHAT IF THEY WERE ABLE TO SAVE LIVES ANYEWAY
Just like every other similar group, they wont make the world better, they would literally keep the supply and control the masses by deciding who gets it. You think they would pass it out to fedra? If they were under siege by fedra they would literally destroy it just so the 'bad guys' didnt get it. These fucks are no different then the antifa tourists: a nuisance group composed of all idea guys and no coordinator.
>Just like every other similar group, they wont make the world better, they would literally keep the supply and control the masses by deciding who gets i
That's why it's so pointless for Cuckman and TLOU2 apologists to quibble over whether the vaccine would have been feasible to begin with. Vaccine or no vaccine, the fireflies are assholes and they're the last people who should ever be trusted with vaccine distribution.
There was this one mission in star craft where the terrans use the Psy emiter to purge a planet of their enemies by infesting it with Zerg.
Imagine anarchists with the same power, give the "cure" to their ppl and infect the rest of the city, yeah, thats basically what would happen.
Funny that Cuckman thought gamers were the problem because they just don't get his deep writing. Turns out normies are going to hate season 2 of this as much as they did GoT season 8, if not more.
Normies are all over social media saying that
1. Joel was NOT a hero
2. They would've done the same thing
Gamers are stupid and only believe #2.
Believing 1 and 2 is what Neil intended.
>muh neil intended
lol I hope you're being paid to post, it's pretty sad honestly
not really. Nobody thinks Joel is a hero, he's a hardened survivor who starts warming up to one person he sees as his surrogate daughter. The first game hammered that fact home far more effectively than the show did. Regardless though, the point is the vast majority of people are on Joel's side and if the showrunners decide to adapt the second game accurately, normies are going to absolutely hate it and are likely going to quit watching after the first episode because everyone can agree that Joel did not deserve a dog's death and Abby did deserve to die at the end.
>Abby did deserve to die at the end.
What, for travelling across the country to kill the person who killed/endangered their loved one?
Abby is just Joel.
>What, for travelling across the country to kill the person who killed/endangered their loved one?
Ah-ah. Joel killed a ton of people to save his loved one. Abby traveled cross country to murder a guy, and got all of her loved ones killed because of it. They simply aren't the same.
Nope, Joel didn't kill the man as revenge and in cold blood, he killed the guy in the spur of the moment as self defense and to protect a person he loved. Completely different. Also, aren't you guys the ones saying that revenge is bad in the first place and Druckman made some very meaningful statement by Ellie sparing Abby? In that case, you have to admit that Abby was wrong about killing Joel, otherwise you are saying the moral of TLOU2 was stupid after all and Ellie should indeed have killed Abby, like Joel and Abby herself would have done in her shoes.
Joel didn't travel across the whole country just with the goal of killing a guy
>joel tells science man get away from ellie
>science man doesn't listen
>gets btfo with a pistol
umm yeah that's how real life works retard.
>we will be experiencing part 2 again, but with normies now in the mix
good luck calling the average joe, and his soccer mom wife that they're simple minded nahdzis who don't get the message. that's going to go over really well.
Lol this, TLOU show was watched by a lot of parents who definitely sympathised with Joel and thought what he did was right
Imagine them watching season 2 and seeing him just getting shat on and killed like a dog because he should've just allowed the backstabbing self-righteous "saviors" to cut essentially his daughter open to "save the world", take the vaccine goy
Thinking about it I wonder if this will be a wake up call for Sony to get rid of Cuckman. It's one thing if le gamers who are considered le ebil nahzee don't like the narrative direction of Tlou2, but I wonder how Sony will respond to normans seething over it because of Cuckman's decision to kill off Joel. If you think about it HBOs Tlou was essentially Sony's breakout into television, and using a series that has such a controversial bullshit end to a beloved character cannot possibly go well. It might even prompt normans to not take future series seriously associated with games Sony games if it leaves a bad enough taste in their mouth. Your average retard beer drinking tv watching norman is pretty close minded, and le subverting their expectations only goes so far. S8 of GoT was so bad that normans didn't immediately give HotD a watch, because they were expecting the same thing even though HotD is great. I am really eager to see how this pans out. Cuckman might just piss Sony off this time since there is a lot of money invovled.
Her father pulled out a scalpel on him when Joe was just going to get Ellie. It was so obviously on him Druckman had to retcon it in the second game.
Joel is not a hero BECAUSE it is what everyone would have done.
Common deeds are not heroic.
>Normies are all over social media saying that
>1. Joel was NOT a hero
i mean that's factually not true since a small minority of viewers actually answered a poll and 88% were in overwhelming support of Joel's decision.
Normies loved Season 8 of GoT when it came out, purely because of the hype. It took some time for people to turn their critical thinking back on, kinda like with the Star Wars sequels.
>Normies loved Season 8 of GoT when it came out
lmfao no they didn't all the normies were seething when season 8 came out, and were talking about how everyones characters felt flat, and that it would eventually get better as the season progressed, and it didn't which led to GoT S8 fiasco. Keep revising history though it will be really funny to see normans foaming at the mouth retardedly asking "WTF WHY DID THEY DO THIS FOR WHAT REASON I CANNOT HABEEB IT!!"
>Normies loved Season 8 of GoT when it came out
in what universe?
people already shat on it when Battle of Winterfell episode came out
I didn't even think about this. We're going to experience the Joel drama again except we're going to have a crowd of angry normans since most of them never played the game, and don't really understand the controversy. I can't imagine they're going to be pleased with le dad man that the average family can resonate being beaten to death by a chud. There was a twitter poll(i know fuck twitter), but it showed Joel had 88% overwhelming support for the season finale, and his decision to save Ellie. I don't know how Cuckman expects that to go down, but it's not going to be good unless they purely go the route of Ellie getting revenge, and majority focusing on that.
wait, so did season 1 actually go through the first games story?
I eagerly await the shitstorm when season 2 hits and TV audiences REALLY get exposed to Druck(mann)s shitty writing
I still think they shouldn't have killed off Joel to subvert expectations and give us a revenge gore smut sequel.
I really thought Ellie would be the one to take Joel's life. The ending of the first game led me to believe that their relationship was gonna go downhill from there.
Why is everyone ITT forgetting that the original story was made by some woman Druckmann garden gnomeed, got fired, and who's work was subsequently ruined when he decided to do some gnomish subversion about Joel getting beat to death? People didn't forget that fast did they?
Ammy Hennig is based and yeah I remember that. Legacy of Kain, and Soul Reaver are based. I would unironically push for that as a series since normans love vampires n shieet, and would greenlight a season of LoK. That would unironically save their ass for a while if they could even get that to happen.
Normies couldn't handle the sheer depth and atmosphere of those two games. It would get neutered into some family friendly current event spamming bullshit like TLOU.
Imagine the writing in a modern day LoK adaption.
I used to defend her but after flopspoken Im not sure anymore
With Forspoken, she wrote the lore. The main writer was Allison Rymer who wrote the dialogue and sequence of events. There were two other writers who wrote the main jist of the story for Alison to work with.
Im still not giving up on her just saying that it was a hard blow seeing her in that trainwreck
If even half of this is true then it is some most genuinely repugnant shit I’ve ever heard
she only did the worldbuilding for forspoken, not the characters or dialogue
I think it's best not to try to find a "right/wrong" label, and instead just bask in the uncomfortable ambiguity of it.
>admits on stream that he would literally sacrifice his own child to find a cure for humanity
Why do liberals want to kill their own offspring so damn badly? Be it abortions or for "heckin science"
Its an ego thing, I think. They want to feel like the ultimate good, so they'll consistently position themselves to be the ultimate moral good guy. There's a good reason these people end up as your Hitlers and such; they don't really want to do good, just look like good guys.
Liberals hate family relationships (and their own families) and hate their own children too because usually they get born because they forgot protection at a random casual fuck #7239
It's the final result of Christian morality without Christian theology. The constant need to portray oneself as virtuous through self sacrifice and compliance with evil acts, or the cruelty of nature. Its the standpoint of a literal NPC and worthless genetic reservoir. In this particular case it's even more astounding because being unwilling to defend your child's life when they have an advantageous mutation that would likely mean the rest of the human race would be descended from you is the sign of someone who is simply begging for a Darwin award and praying to it as well.
Then again Destiny is a literal cuckold, so he's already given up all chances of being sure of his genetic legacy.
One life for the chance to save humanity, no matter how miniscule, is a bet that anyone who isn't an emotion-driven blubbering bitch would take in a heartbeat.
Joel was wrong.
Then go register yourself as an organ donor right now and then have a nice day in front of a clinic. You'd be saving the lives of approximately 8 other people.
Don't be an emotion-driven blubbering bitch.
Saving 8 people from cancer or other terminal illnesses isn't saving humanity as a whole from having to spend the rest of its existence in an apocalyptic shitshow. And I already have signed off my organs to be harvested after I croak.
It's all about scale. I wouldn't kill myself for, say, a hundred people. But for the rest of the entire fucking species and all generations to come? It's a no-brainer at that point.
So we're negotiating. How many lives would it take for you to sacrifice someone else? The entire humanity? What about, say, just under 8 billion people?
I wouldn't sacrifice anyone else because it is not my call to make. In the case of TLOU, it was Ellie's call, and even though she doesn't outright say it, it can be inferred that she was on board for the operation since the dramatic resolution of the whole fucking ending hinges on the moral dilemma of Joel having lied to her about what happened with the Fireflies. There would be no dilemma if Ellie did not want to undertake the operation.
So in a trolley problem where on the one hand you have the entire humanity and on the other hand you have a single person, you would do nothing?
Here
you said that one life for the CHANCE to save humanity is a deal anyone would take in a heartbeat.
Anyone would take that deal if said life was theirs. If that life is someone elses you defer to the decision of the person whose life it is that is being ended.
The trolley problem necessitates that someone dies, and is therefore not applicable to the situation with Ellie, where no one has to die, but Ellie herself thinks that if it gives her life purpose, she wouldn't mind dying for a cause. In ignoring that, Joel was in the wrong.
The waters are admittedly muddied by the fact that Ellie never gives explicit permission for the operation, but implied consent is definitely there.
>The trolley problem necessitates that someone dies, and is therefore not applicable to the situation with Ellie, where no one has to die
How is it not? Either Ellie dies and (maybe) saves humanity or Ellie lives and dooms humanity.
There is a reason we don't let minors decide for themselves, they are impressionable. I sure as shit wouldn't sacrifice my own life just for a chance to save humanity. I don't inherently owe humanity anything but I do have other people that depend on me
>but implied consent is definitely there
You can't fucking imply consent, otherwise I could kill you on the street because you looked depressed and tired of life.
You are a deontological evil you communist like.
To be fair Ellie is also under the impression that she is going to be alive while they take whatever tests they take to produce said cure, and was never under the impression that she was going to fucking die, so no it wasn't her choice to die to provide a cure she made her way to the fireflies under the impression that she just needed to give a sample of something to get things going. You can try to obfuscate that if you want, but no actual consent was given by Ellie to murder her for brain matter. You know this I know this anyone with a fucking brain knows this tiny detail.
If that was the case, why didn't Joel just tell her the truth then when she asked?
>They were going to kill you, so I stopped them from doing that and hightailed it out of there
If Ellie was not ready to die for the cause, she would surely have understood Joel's actions, no?
Simple Joel is afraid of repeating the feeling of loss, and being rejected by something he may learn/has learned to platonically love. The idea of an entity filling the role of a daughter he misses, and probably thinks about non-stop, and losing it again more than likely scared him off from telling Ellie the truth on the off chance she wouldn't take it well. More than likely Ellie would be pissed, but the idea of someone not just threatening her, but Joel would probably piss her off enough to not want anything to do with The Fireflies again. The big issue is Joel doesn't even give his pseudo child the chance to react to it, and instead wants to "go back home" with his new kid to just move on.
Because Druckman wanted to have his gay retcon. In reality he would have mentioned that and it would have added another layer to the whole situation because Ellie would realize that part of her childhood was a lie in entirely and the Fireflies were irredeemable pieces of shit.
Oh and in regards to Ellie, what do you think would happen if you gave that choice to a minor with severe survivor's guilt and PTSD? Obviously Joel was shielding her from the burden of that choice by lying to her.
>Muh minor argument
It is immoral in and of itself to deny a person their right to autonomy unless a very convincing case can be made for them being unable to comprehend their actions. And Ellie is what, 14 during the events of the first game?
That is plenty old enough to be at grips with death, especially after having spent years surrounded by it.
No, she's not old enough.
I bet you're one of those pedos who think that children can consent to sex.
>Jumps right into accusations of kiddy diddling at the mere mention of autonomy
All I am saying is that a person should get to decide what to do with their life as long as they know what they are getting themselves into. In Ellie's case, she is intimately familiar with death because pretty much everyone around her has died. It's not like the issue has some child-like mystique to her anymore, that was dispelled at the latest when she got infected with her friend and watched her turn.
>All I am saying is that a person should get to decide what to do with their life as long as they know what they are getting themselves into
not that anon but if we're going this route then ellie didn't know what she was getting into, it was never conveyed nor ever implied she'd have to be dissected to get a cure by her own understanding talking to the fireflies, and this is supported by the nig actress/firefly telling Joel that she is completely unaware of what they're going to do so she didn't go to sleep scared, and will not feel a thing while they do it. By your own admission then Ellie couldn't give consent to how the autonomy of her body would be used, because from her own understanding she was just giving a sample, and not her life.
At the same time, she has expressed earlier in the story being ready to die if that would give her life purpose, so an argument can be made that if she did know that the operation would kill her, she probably would still have gone ahead with it.
No she makes it clear that she's willing to die to make the journey she never states that she is willing to sacrifice her body to scientists, and be cut open to MAYBE find a cure. If we're going off of "consent' it was never given to the scientists to cut her open, and kill her off to have access to her brain only for her to be given anesthesia, and have a sample taken via surgery. She probably wouldn't go ahead with it if the scientists were upfront with her, because she'd more than likely start asking things like "'what is the actual chance of this working" "is it 100%" "what happens if it doesn't work?!". More than likely she'd be spooked, and try to find a group much more competent.
Exactly, the trauma of everyone else dying around her has clouded her judgement.
Children can't consent to life or death decisions; their brains are not developed enough to make such choices, pedo.
Clouded, or given her an understanding of death that a child her age would not otherwise have? She has no illusions about it and knows that it is not something you come back from, so how is she not fit to make a choice concerning dying?
She's underage, pedo.
>Experiences? What are those? She's X years old, so it means she does not understand Y!
Traumatizing experiences make a kid easier to be manipulated, not harder.
>this minor totally has the cognitive capacity to conceptualize an abstract thought like self-sacrifice to MAYBE help humanity find a cure
fireflies were wrong they didn't even ask ellie if she was okay with it, so it's an attempt to murder her since we're going off the basis of consent. fireflies didn't even ask if they could take her brain they asked for a sample vs joel lied to her about fireflies being absolute gays. fireflies are worse than joel simple as.
because the human brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 25, and it's beyond easy to persuade someone into doing something through tactics of manipulation when they can't fully comprehend or conceptualize the idea of self-sacrifice when there isn't 100% assurance of said thing working out in favor of everyone.
You're a fucking retard. Ellie very obviously cannot comprehend her actions since she's mentally underdeveloped from being a child and also suffers from ptsd from almost being raped by a cannibal and has insane amounts of survivor's guilt from everyone dying around her.
What the fuck is wrong with american moral standards, 18 year olds can legally kill people overseas but not drink alcohol?
But Ellie got indoctrinated by Marlene into believing she's the savior. So if she wants to sacrifice herself, that would be Marlene's brainwashing and Ellie's survivor guilt speaking.
We have to remember that Ellie is a child vulnerable to manipulation.
By your logic, she's then also a child vulnerable to manipulation from Joel who is trying to groom her into being his replacement daughter. And this is absolutely what he's doing in TLOU1 - he does genuinely care for her, but he's also using her as a tool to heal his emotional pain. He grows out of it somewhat between Part 1 and 2 and becomes a genuinely good father along the way, but at the end of TLOU1, his actions are driven mainly by his needs and wants, not Ellie's.
The difference is that Ellie can still decide to kill herself when she's adult, but the opposite wouldn't be true.
She didn't want to simply kill herself, though, she wanted others to get a chance to live in a better world. Whether that chance was high or low is immaterial as far as she's concerned: it was there and Joel took it from her even though he knew that's not what she would've wanted.
The whole talk about the Firefly competency, probabilities, and Ellie's consent is also irrelevant when it comes to Joel: he didn't care about any of those things. He simply couldn't take the emotional pain of loss again and there was never a scenario where he would have chosen differently.
>Whether that chance was high or low is immaterial as far as she's concerned:
She has plenty of time to kill herself after
>it was there and Joel took it from her
Joel delayed it at best. You think that guy was the only doctor in the entire north America? If she really wanted she could have gone anywhere and said that she was immune.
>even though he knew that's not what she would've wanted.
If you see a person that is about to do an irreversible decision with extremely dire consequences without the proper thought behind it's common decency to try to have them stop.
>The whole talk about the Firefly competency, probabilities, and Ellie's consent is also irrelevant when it comes to Joel: he didn't care about any of those things. He simply couldn't take the emotional pain of loss again and there was never a scenario where he would have chosen differently.
What about a scenario in which they do all the tests, try all the possibilities, inform her of the risk, and let her decide and talk to Joel about her decision instead of just deceiving her and Joel?
We will never know.
Joel isn't the one putting a savior complex into Ellie's head. Marlene is the one manipulating her into consenting suicide.
Joel just wants his daughter to LIVE her life, which is anything but selfish.
Joel wants Ellie to live for his sake, not her own.
You just pulled that out of your ass.
Justify your viewpoint or fuck off.
I'm saying that Joel saved her because he couldn't imagine living in a world without her, not because he was considerate of what Ellie wanted. That is doing it for himself, not for Ellie.
What Ellie wanted was not known to anybody because she didn't know what they were doing to her.
She had expressed a willingness to die if it helped people earlier on.
That's vague as fuck. Would it meant that Joel should have just left her be eaten by cannibals? She would have died to help people that way.
Joel saved her because he couldn't bear another of his children dying prematurely, just like any other loving parent who wants to see their children be happy would do.
The good thing about living is that you can decide for the sake of who you are doing it. Can't do that when you are dead.
Not him, but as of TLOU1 that's fairly accurate. We know that Joel doesn't cope with loss well and can't even bear to accept the possibility of it. His ways of making Tommy "live" had ruined his relationship with his brother and it was only repaired after Tommy put his foot down, ditched Joel, and they spent years apart. He also spent two decades avoiding any sort of emotional attachment and reacting rather badly when any possibility of it arose (see his treatment of Tess and Ellie early in Part 1). When he did get attached again, he immediately slipped into the same patterns as with Tommy all those years ago, except now amplified x100. He murders, he lies, he disregards the wishes of his loved ones, all to avoid the pain of loss.
To be fair to Joel, he did mature and reconsider his behavior to some extent over the years after TLOU1 and we learn that after she nearly cut him off after finding out the truth, he did put some effort into finally considering things from other people's perspective and learned to give them space. But before all that it was always his way or the highway.
>Not wanting to lose people in a world without morality is le bad
Are you retarded? Of course you'd disregard what people want when they're fucking children in an apocalypse and stupid enough to believe a roving band of psychopaths about a cure. What do you think he'd just happily let people he'd care for die so he can tell the truth or something? This is rhetoric straight out of reddit with how fucking insane it is.
>hes actually an organ donor
you dumb stupid fuck you will have an accident where you're close to death and some doctor on a payroll to notify much wealthier people will absolutely push you towards death to take your organs, and bump said rich fag up in whatever donor list in exchange for money.
Anon, he's so generous he will donate his organs to some rich 80 year old no questions asked, he wants to save lives.
Humanity is already fucking dead. Once the infrastructure collapsed that was it, it would take the exact same level of work and time to rebuild if they had a cure than if they didn't because all the infected would still be dead fungusheads. If people are surviving fine without spontaneously turning, there's nothing else to do except stockpile information.
A cure would ensure that no more infected would come to be, and the infected would die out that much quicker, allowing for safe rebuilding efforts. Without a cure, people will have to avoid spore-heavy areas entirely and new infections can still occur.
Just hide in a synagogue, the zombies can't touch or desecrate those as shown in TLOU2
That would be solved by the surviving humans just killing the ones that already exist and letting the rest starve. A cure is doing nothing except making things slightly easier, or more realistically, letting a group of absolute psychos have a reason to genocide everyone else if they don't comply.
Yeah I bet you vaxxed yourself and wore the mask too fag
if I could save someone who is close to me, doesnt even have to be family it could be a close friend or even a loyal pet, I would kill everyone on this planet with my bare hands
Honestly in the situation presented I wouldn't even need to know the test subject or have it be a kid. On one hand you have the first known immune person, on the other crazy guys that want to kill her for no real reason.
I would treat it the same as a cult doing a human sacrifice
reposting this from the dead thread:
even if the could make the vaccine, the fireflies arent shown as some holier than thou non profit org or some bullshit like that
they are considered terrorrists by the acting US government and they are armed to the teeth actively fight that government
now imagine what would happen if they get the vaccine? do you think they would just throw it around and give it to everyone like candy or will they use the virus as a weapon for those who oppose them?
nothing we see in the game hints at them "doing the right thing for humanity" when its their turn and they even want to scam and kill joel when they meet him and thats someone who works for them and not an actual stranger
Even if your loved one didn't actually want to be saved?
Did my loved one actually had some time and serious though to think about sacrificing himself after trying all the alternative options or was he put under anesthesia with deception as the first thing?
now thats an actual interesting situation that would require more thought but sadly the game doesnt offer this kind of moral dilemma
ellie wasnt asked to sacrifice herself or was told whats going to happen and even if she was, she is just a child and couldnt make the right decision here thats why her guardian step in and made the right call
she could offer her body to science when she is considered adult
We all know nobody gives a shit about "b-but she/he is a minor!" in the TLOU post-apo world. If you're old enough to kill people, you're old enough to decide about your own life and death.
maybe post apo world isnt that bad after all
>WE DONT WANT THEM TO PUT A P IN THE LGBTQ
>however..
If Ellie's version of the fungus is non-zombifying, why didn't Ellie just bite everyone she met to give them the immunity too?
she actually tries mixing her blood into a kid who got scratched in an attempt to "cure" him, and he turns and tries to attack ellie the next morning. sad, because this is probably what any normal person her age would have done since it seems like common sense.
Can't wait to see ratings drop and user reviews go to 0 when Pedro dies in season 2 because that man is basically the entire reason women watch the show. And we know normalfag men definitely don't watch this shit.
nah dads love joel it's going to be a big shit fiasco.
Why is Cuckmann so insistent on turning the Fireflies into dindus?
>Killing a dyke
>Wrong choice
Either choice kills a dyke. Ellie is gay.
I can't wait till Joel gets what he deserves in Season 2 lol.
TO SIT ON THE THRONE AT THE TOP OF MOUNT ZAPHON!
>normalfags don't think unconscious 14 year old girls can consent to being medically murdered
Oh, how surprising!
>Doc, we found this girl who is immune to cancer. What should we do?
SCOOP BRANE!!!! SCOPPEY BRAAANE!!!
fireflies
>got fucked over multiple times
>one scientists managed to get himself infected by monke
>they nearly kill joel and ellie upon meeting them
>they refuse to pay joel and were planning to murder him for literally no fucking reason
>their first course of action to find a cure is killing the only immune person they know of
>for all we know they could've been lying about ellie "wanting it"
and also
>despite being propped for operation somehow ellie believed that there were other immune people and she didn't need to die after all and joel just brought her back while unconscious
Joel was right in the game for saving a cute girl.
Joel was wrong for saving the awful goblina in the tv show.
Simple as.
>After all we've been through. Everything that I've done. It can't be for nothing.
>Shut up, you silly child. You do not understand what you are talking about.
Exactly.
It's not like Ellie will stop being immune after growing up you know. If she still want to kill herself once she's able to understand the situation she can do it.
Or, she can try to actually find a not crazy doctor that won't kill her after one day.
Or, have children and pass on the immune gene; since it would be a very desirable trait to the human body.
I mean if we want to respect Ellie being a lesbo you could even go the route of
>we need to take as many eggs from you so that the next generation is immune and we can study these individuals to find a humane cure
>respect Neil Snuffmann's retcon
No. But i get your point.
We don't even know if there is an immune gene. It could have just been an acquired immunity. And we don't know because they were going to cut up their brain before running actual tests.
I am convinced the surgeon was actually a Mind Flayer in disguise.
It is definitely an acquired immunity, both in the games and in the show - the cordyceps infection progressed slightly in her (hence the growths around the bite) and then went latent.
Acquired immunity is not hereditary and you can't pass it on.
That could just be that the immunity takes time to fully stop the cordyceps progress; since it's such a powerful infection.
>some moron in a filthy ruin of a back alley hospital wants to kill his one and presumably only test subject to maybe get an idea on whether or not a vaccine is theoretically possible
>this doesn't even approach the subject of possible success or contamination of your samples
Joel was objectively correct in killing them all. Leaving Ellie alive to sire immune offspring, or try and find a more competent doctor who'd maybe run some blood tests before immediately putting her on the butchering slab, would have a much higher chance of success than leaving her to the moronflies.
honestly second game should have gone like this
>ellie is not a lesbian
>ellie has a FUCK TON of children
>they have kids
>giant community immune to clickers
>ellie is seen like a pseudo sparda being a big deal n shieeeet
>community is attack, and majority of people are being abducted because le rumors of immune community
>community member who most closely resembles ellie is main character for this
>story of pseudo ellie trying to save members of community
would have been kino but we cannot have kino timelines.
if you played the games, and where there on the frontlines when the battles wherefought about TLoU2's abbhorrent disrespect for the first game and all it established i salute you.
if you are a series watching randoi also salute you because yes, now you see that there are people that dont think like you and i, brainlets we call them.
>Joel kills and rapes hundreds of people
>But he was heckin' WHOLESOME when he utterly selfishly saved his surrogate daughterino!
Joel deserved to be clubbed like a baby seal lmao
>rapes
he doesn't rape anyone you absolute gay. 2/10 bait only retards will fall for this.
Sure he didn't. I'm sure Tommy was referring just to murder when he lamented how awful those days had been.
Redemption exists.
It's not too late to accept Jesus Christ in your heart.
>get the one immune person in the world that you know of
>don't run a single test, take no blood or tissue samples
>immediately escalate to scrape her brains out with no plan or guarantee of success at all
lmao, great plan Fireflies
>Firefly did not tell Joel about their plans
>Did not tell Ellie they were about to kill her
>Did not have any guarantee that it would save anyone and went straight to surgery
>Did not honor the part of their contract
>Did not even let Joel stay and marched him toward the exit with no weapon
It feel like someone wrote this attempting to make a situation appear "gray" when it's obviously not, there is an obvious bad side here
NO NO NO DRUCKMAN XIRS AHHHHH WE CANT LET THIS HAPPEN
Wait so the cowards didnt kill Joel in the last episode? Enjoy paying Pedro Pascal for literally one episode season 2
They are obviously doing half a dozen flashback episodes
i think they're going to kill him off in s2 finale he is the main reason people unaware of the what actually happens in the game are watching
>army kills Joel's daughter to try to quarantine the pandemic : BAD
>fireflies kill Ellie to potentially find a cure : GOOD
I still don't get whole point of not killing that chud bull bitch. There is no cycle of revenge and violence if you will kill all of them. And Ellie killed all of them and only 1 huge ass chud bitch was left.
Ellie realized that killing Abby would not bring Joel back, and she would just hurt Lev by killing her.
She could kill her, and get it over with. Revenge is not about bringing someone back. It never was.
Retribution for the sake of retribution, with nothing gained, is hollow. You do not feel any better afterwards.
It's called justice.
And yes, the feeling is orgasmic.
Plenty of shit gained. It's never hollow. That's just a shitty movie trope. Every fucker irl that got his revenge was pretty relieved even if it ended in him jailed. There are literally zero people that got their revenge irl that felt it was hollow.
Sure you feel sad about person you lost, but you also feel god that you did something about it and justice was served in some way.
You know that feeling when you got wronged and you can't do shit about it? That's the worst fucking shit ever that eats at you every time it floats up in your head.
Revenge solves that real good.
Most people can let go of things, even painful things. Two wrongs do not make a right.
If you get your revenge - it's only 1 wrong that got settled.
Won't bring him back, but will prevent others from being murdered like him. You know, since Abby is a psycho.
>Abby is a psycho
What? It's not Abby that went on a genocide crusade across state lines, that's Ellie.
No, she went on an assassination crusade.
Which could happen again.
Who did Abby kill except the person she intended to kill?
She was ready to raid their camp, but Joel showed up, saved her ass and presented himself with his buttcheeks spread wide open.
Even had her group raided Joel's settlement, they still wouldn't have killed a fraction of the people Ellie puts in the grave.
That's not canonical according to TLOU2 shills because you can stealth through.
Murder is psychotic.
Given that his body count was much larger than Abby's, would you agree that Joel was a psycho?
Abbie killed a man who saved her because her father tried to kill a small child. Joel killed people either attacking him, or against the interests of his future survival. Abbie is still a psychopath.
In his travel with Ellie all the killing was in self defense.
>torturing a man for pleasure
>making his daughter watch
>not psychotic