The game looked pretty good in the previews, whats going on?
Uhh Bleakbros?
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The game looked pretty good in the previews, whats going on?
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let me guess, shitty optimization?
let me guess, eurojank?
>eurojank
Like every US made game doesn't come out broken.
Worse than that, it's shitty gameplay. Elden Ring recovered from negative reviews regarding performance, and Wo Long IS recovering from negative reviews as it went from Mostly Negative to Mixed. Bleak Faith has nothing going for it.
I remember when elden ring came out and PC performance was either shit or playable but stuttery. It did eventually get fixed and now it's fine. You can't recover from bad animations, bad gameplay, bad core mechanics. I mean you CAN, but at that point they really should have just delayed it or scrapped what they had years ago. I would even argue that they should have not made it into a souls-like shit, should've been a slower action game instead with it's own unique mechanics.
They also fucked themselves for not allowing the general public to play different versions of their game and only allowed certain people to. If they wanted the souls autist community they should have been generous with public demos, they would have been told exactly what they needed to do years ago.
>They also fucked themselves for not allowing the general public to play different versions of their game and only allowed certain people to. If they wanted the souls autist community they should have been generous with public demos, they would have been told exactly what they needed to do years ago.
I agree. Shilltubers aren't good at these types of games. They can't beat Malenia without cheesing, and they get filtered by Nioh. True fans of the genre are the ones who just play these games for pure enjoyment.
Elden Ring doesnt let me do combos on bosses, is just jump r2 and roll r1.
Then play fucking Nioh 2.
If you see "Mostly negative" it's either Performance issues or a Destiny expansion
Or a chink bomb
Gamepad control is completely busted.
Attacking and movement is very floaty.
Hitboxes will randomly stop working mid-combat.
Sound design in combat is atrocious.
World is visually interesting but moving through it is a slog.
So pirate or wait for 5€ pricedrop?
torrent link?
get your own links to strike rat.
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wait and see if they fix all the core issues or kys first
>World is visually interesting but moving through it is a slog.
climbing sucks cock.
goign to return it now.
also everything you said is true.
shame, I don't mind having to use mouse and keyboard if that's what the game was made for, but everything else sounds bad
>World is visually interesting but moving through it is a slog.
This is 100% false, the world and exploration is the one thing the game does right.
Objectively wrong. Movement feels awful and the "free climbing" shown in promotional videos is actually just jumping from point to point in predetermined spots.
Just checked.
The game was designed for m+kb.
What the fuck were they thinking
Anon they're from MonteBlack. Nobody has ever seen a gamepad there, neither has anybody seen a GPU faster than a 7850.
>What the fuck were they thinking
That they are based, seethe controllerfag
If you make a souls like. And have no controller support. Autofail.
controller players are such babies
Can't make a soulslike without proper controller support.
I disagree, but I know controller baby will just cry until he has his way
kb+m controls are shit too.
COPE.
Isn't that what PC players are doing with Wo Long
>Muh m+kb
And they'll keep crying about Wo Long and pretending to like Bleak Shit until Wo Long gets a KBM patch like Nioh 2 did.
you can change it to work in the menu to have it jump i mean. but still it feels shit.
the climbing makes me so mad.
Fake PC master-race controllerbabbies being filtered by euroludo, amazing.
>he doesnt play all souls games with a mouse
LOL what a zoomie zoom zoom 😀
I don't feel sorry for you when you guys cry about aim assist. Get fucked.
Based.
After putting a fuckton of hours into New World i think i could handle kb / m soulslike. Might make it easier tbh
I finished all the DS games on both controller and kb+m. Only the first one was ass.
Unless it's a platformer or fighting game, all games are designed for mouse and keyboard.
Good. Basado. Fuck consoles.
>physics tied to framerate
its 2023 how it this shit still an issue
kbm is just better
>The game was designed for m+kb.
based
I play all games like this, fuck consoleturd that use controller on pc, get good morons
I played all the other From games with a controller but I am fine with this, no issues so far that aren't my fault and understanding how things work
Numbers risin'
>Bleak Faith Forsaken
Holy shit it's like they threw 3 darts at an edgy name generator board and stuck with whatever was hit.
Lmao I never heard about this game but I opened the thread just because how shit that name is
Maaaaaaan. Upset of the decade NGL. I watched lots of beta footage back in the day, looked decent. But today I watched some gameplay video and it is absolute dog shit.
Character movement feels like it's from 2001. It's so bad that you can't look past and see anything good about the game. And sadly it is such a fundamental aspect of a game that it is never getting fixed. Let me give you an idea. It looks a lot worse than DKS 2 movement. And DKS2 movement is absolute garbage.
>watched
>feel
No first hand experience, no opinion. Poorfags are a plague on any hobby.
It's sad to see a Souls-like clearly inspired by Blame! and Lorn be this awful. But not unexpected. The movement and combat looked questionable in trailers already...
And in reality they are some of the worst i experienced in a game period. It has that UE tech demo made in a month feeling. But even worse in some places. You slide around, get stuck on everything, there's no weight or friction to character movement (including enemies), dodge doesn't work 90% of the time and you have stamina of a snail. It's just off putting, you should not be allowed to release games this unpolished.
It has cool looking Blame!-esque environment (main reason i gave it a chance since i have 0 faith in indie souls-likes, especially of this scale) - but you can still see it was probably made by one guy, it's pretty shallow. Enemy design is pretty random so are their attacks and animations.
What's even the point of making a souls game if you can't make combat and controls good? Not even talking about level design and lore. There's none. Just none.
>It's sad to see a Souls-like clearly inspired by Blame! and Lorn be this awful. But not unexpected. The movement and combat looked questionable in trailers already...
>And in reality they are some of the worst i experienced in a game period. It has that UE tech demo made in a month feeling. But even worse in some places. You slide around, get stuck on everything, there's no weight or friction to character movement (including enemies), dodge doesn't work 90% of the time and you have stamina of a snail. It's just off putting, you should not be allowed to release games this unpolished.
yes also the camera feels like it is floating a little too high on the y axis so when you move the camera to look up even a bit you like looks where the bottom half of your character is
I saw some videos and the game looked a lot better during development
What happened?
Tortanic ruined this place.
It absolutely has. Mods should probably delete these threads on-sight in the future, nothing good will come from them.
>noooo you can't say the bad game is bad tortaniccccc
Eat shit
Do you guys just get a list of buzzwords to spout when you come here?
>game is bad
>people say it's bad
>MUUUHHHH TORTAAAANIIIIIIIC!!!!!!!!!1
If TORtanic had never existed this game would still be garbage
Enjoy the game for free, friends. Don't give money to poorly made unfinished games.
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oh fuck yeah dolphin porn
Sweet it's the rape caves episode
dont lie, is the link really dolphin porn?
It's over.
>Ela gave up
it's over
This is a positivity 🙂 good vibes 🙂 streamer who enjoys garbage indie horrorjank
Even he couldn't take this.
based Ela rather be playing poorly optimized Elden Ring mod
>Control cuck seething
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
>control cuck
so you don't want to be able to have control in the game?
cuck seething
>the devs are kneeling for controller cucks
not a good look for the devs
Had it and was going to spend some time with it. Turns out the controller doesn't work with it without the stream overlay. Jesus Christ. Playing a 3rd person rpg with my kb+m felt even worse than the time I played it with dark souls 1. Refunded that trash immediately. If I can't have a comfy time laying on my couch to play Vidya like I can on a console, that's a -10 for me..
ELA JUST FLUSHED THE GAME
ALERT: I REPEAT
ELA JUST FLUSHED THE GAME
/bff/bros.... what is our game plan? we have to mobilze a way to save this game now!!!
>E-CELEB DID SOMETHING
nobody cares, kys
nazi symbol, now controller issues??? enjoy miserable defeat fascist retard devs
What’s the Nazi symbol
devs support Ukraine
Bleak Faith? Moar like Bleak Sales
Controller onlyism is mark of the beast and gayry. You were warned in last thread.
God presented Jesus Christ to the world and Satan, and said, here is my Son, now what are you going to do with him? And the first thing he did was claim God doesn’t love him.
God said to hate homosexuality. Hate is not evil, but hate is good when used against sin. Jesus only tried to help sinners from taking the mark of the beast by saving them from sin.
>Controller onlyism is mark of the beast and gayry. You were warned in last thread.
>
>God presented Jesus Christ to the world and Satan, and said, here is my Son, now what are you going to do with him? And the first thing he did was claim God doesn’t love him.
>
>God said to hate homosexuality. Hate is not evil, but hate is good when used against sin. Jesus only tried to help sinners from taking the mark of the beast by saving them from sin.
this is reddit spacing.
not this
-----------------------------------
I poopy my pants
i am gay.
I poopmy pants
am i a moron?
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>Reddit spacing
No. Not when we are talking about God, moron.
With the money they had they should've hired some more people or just delayed it. There was just no excuse after taking this long. Fucking sucks, I really wanted it to be good.
qa testers are something many devs overlook
It is good though
I don't know how you people ever enjoyed the souls series if you can't enjoy this
>how did you enjoy good games made by experienced development teams if you can't enjoy this jankfest made by 2 slavs?!?!
>Souls games
>Not janky
lol are you for real
They got 30k, that is not that much to hire a team with.
They didn't have any money, they couldn't afford a bunch of controllers to get it set up for them.
Please buy we need food
One of the devs have reportedly killed himself after this launch, surf on twitter for more info.
nuPCfags-actually-consoletard "comfytime" redditor like
have blood on their hands
It only gets worse as it goes on. VR onlyism for PC, phone gaming onlyism, and just like how Valve tried to make a gaming console computer popular that can only play video games and is not a real OS. If it had been successful. Even the Linux jailbreaking of it from its backbone of the steam OS would eventually be gone and you wouldn’t have anything.
>the game is shit
Whoa, no way.
why did you delete the "lol" in it?
why do you incels edit shit instead of being honest?
There is a discord server full of autists putting serious work to destroy this game for some reason.
>1 antifan discord vs 1 sycophant discord
seems like equivalent exchange
Can't watch any stream or video right now, can someone tell me if the climbing is freeform like BoTW / Sable? Can you climp anywhere? Or it has ugly fixed points? It is really important for me.
>Or it has ugly fixed points?
this.
and even WITH the fixed points the climbing is half broken; spamming jump but it won't move. you have to literally wait liek 3-5 secs before moving to the next fixed point
Shame, my interest kinda dropped right now
Anon is making shit up. Also, you can adjust how the character jumps - that's what the "jump input type" setting is for.
Noted. But who the fuck I trust.
>Anon is making shit up. Also, you can adjust how the character jumps - that's what the "jump input type" setting is for.
no i am not making shit up you dumb garden gnome
i literally played the game.
it is shit the climbing is shit.
read my post again moron im talking about when climbing.
anon i want you to save your money on this, he wants you to spend money on this.
this isn't a job where you should try to make something work, you are the customer. You buy the product it should work out of the box, there shouldn't' be insane retarded janky as climbing controls of the pop.
You could buy it play it for like 30 mins then refund it if you don't like it.
Thanks anon
np bro.
Devs status = BTFO
holy shit the combat in this game is horrible. How the fuck is this combo system supposed to work?
Bleak Faith? More like Bleak Outlook for the Entire Archangel Studios Staff
I'm watching CohhCarnage play this.
The world looks cool but it also looks EMPTY AS HELL.
I haven't seem anything but empty corridors with enemies in it.
>I haven't seem anything but empty corridors with enemies in it.
As opposed to...? You're suppose to be the last humanoid alive.
>You're suppose to be the last humanoid alive.
lol no you're not, you come across compounds full of hobos (though you can't talk to any of them).
>(though you can't talk to any of them).
lol
have you seen Blame? it's even emptier
So you're telling me this game will get the DS2 treatment on v?
he already gave up
its a good game but still has plenty of bugs to iron out
honestly it needs more time to fix/polish but it has great potential
I feel really bad refunding but Im sorry this movement is clunky and unplayable I can't force myself to play something with such awful movement
Please play it.
stupid dev or dick sucker.
BASED BASED BASED
Japan saves the day once more.
>Japan saves the day once more.
im not japanese.
im just an immersion fag.
My wife is a Japanese national and my son is half Jap.
im white.
I am like S tier in terms of speaking listening but like B - on reading speed and writing.
>and my son is half Jap.
OH NO NO NO NO
ELLIOT RODGER IN THE MAKING
>OH NO NO NO NO
>ELLIOT RODGER IN THE MAKING
knew it was coming.
lets just hope your huwhite ayran kids aren't near any Asian people in highschool in like 15 years
I hope so, I wouldn't want my son to be in the same school as your future school shooter.
>I hope so, I wouldn't want my son to be in the same school as your future school shooter.
that was my point.
Kek, cope harder, your hapa son will die in your lifetime.
>Kek, cope harder, your hapa son will die in your lifetime.
Oh so you are coping?
cool. keep at it bro.
>being this mad
lol
wow bro you don't need to be so angry
oh wait? you aren't mad?
no? so then why do you think you can ascribe an emotion to me?
pretty dumb on your part lol
Your son will never be human.
Fuck the both of you. Go argue in Discord, telrgram, or whatever gay shit. I just want to shit on a bad video game.
Shut the fuck up dev, go fix your shit game.
>i want to shit on a shit game
>"Shut the fuck up dev"
Are you fucking retarded? You're the dev since your trying to detrail this thread about shitting on your game. Fuck you, your game is SHIT.
i agree.
fuck this morons.
fuck garden gnomes fuck jannies and Hispanics!
also bleak is gay
limiting it to 60 ticks would solve all the frame-physics issues, this should be fixed in the patch
gamepad fags should eat a dick, Souls PC ports were unplayable with keyboard
Yes, capping it instead of freeing it up and developing the game around being workable with faster frames is stupid dev and/or review dick sucking. Though at least he let it go to 90. It usually capped at 60.
>soulslike #4529929 is shit
why can't indies make souls type games?
Because they always fuck up the simplest things.
The content
The controls
It's that simple. If I can't play with a fucking controller and have to DOUBLE TAP THE STICK to run. It fails.
just double tap it, its not the end of the world
Thymesia is probably the only one that gets it right because the combat is good enough that all the flaws it comes with for having a small team is covered up.
>no controller shit
i will now play your pc game
seethe & dilate, v
Discord link, sister?
stay gay, faggets. no one cares
You're not a real gamer and you will never be
>I'll play this crap just to spite the 10 controller players on Ganker who didn't even open this thread
The rest of us PCbros still think you're a fag, anon
I wonder if all the shitposters realize that there are sliders from both Keyborad & Mouse and gamepad that you can freely adjust.
Like I said in last thread to a controller onlyist that was talking trash, if you were a real computer gamer, then you wouldn't be a controller onlyist, and if you cared that much about controller, then you would just go do what I do (and still have to do these days because of gays like the controller onlyist) is go and get a program that lets me literally map mouse to keyboard and keyboard to mouse presses, and both of these to controller, and therefore the controller onlyist's fucking salvation that they rejected, which is to map the controller inputs over to actual mouse and keyboard controls (but they won't do it even for an indie developer that made some moron-rigged dark souls out of the back of their garage).
Like I said, I didn't buy their game yet, I'm just here to shit and gripe on controller only-ists and trannies that have ruined the state of PC gaming so that they fucking know what they did.
I'll make you cry again with my aim assist, gay.
Automated bots are what the gamer destroys in video games, chatbot.
Cry
As if I would cry over your automated bot out of body experience state.
You guys are bots.
I might cry for you if you wanted out of your cyberfication though. Oh well.
>computer games 1999
>uses internet to download programs and knows how to use Windows 98/XP++
>computer games in 2023
>WHY DOES THIS COMPUTER GAME NOT USE CONTROLLER?!?!?!?!?!?!! WHAT IS WINDOWS?!?!?! WHAT IS A KEYBOARD AND MOUSE?!?!?!
Yeah,you're called a PARASITE.
Bros I am literally shaking right now. This can't be happening! This was supposed to be sick dark and based. I can't even look at myself in the mirror now.
how long was this game in development for? should the devs apologize?
5 years, all gone, like tears in the rain. It was a team made of 3 people, the coder, the modeler, and the writing-music artist.
It's literally over for them.
of those 3 it was the coder who fucked it up.
the modelling and music is honestly passable
Yeah the art style and aesthetics are great, they just needed either a god coder to actually come close to whatever they were attempting, or someone with a proper head on their shoulder directing them so they can actually produce a game that feels good and is within the scope of their small team. It's like 3 construction workers tasked with building a city, the first few building will be okay but eventually its going to turn out like the chinese super cities where its all pretty exteriors with nothing inside.
The modeler and music guy will be fine.
i like how all the tardwrangler users are unable to play it, kek
more power for us
go back to your nipshit
uhhhh
gents
I broke the game
oh it's this game
remember seeing this trailer years ago thought the concept looked cool, they just barely reached their kickstarter goal
dumb kids go play on your gaysoles. pc gaming is for real gamers, not retards fumbling on some dildo-shaped input devices like v does
LOOK AT THE EASY STEAM POINTS SHOP FARM
can i get a pragmatic response from someone who actually gave the game a proper go: How does it compare to Hellpoint? I loved Hellpoint despite the jank, it had a great interconnected world and a nice atmosphere.
way better. dumb souls, but good. or to put it, dumb souls without the videogame shit.
Shills aren't welcomed here. Time to die, anon.
Hellpoint is ironically much more cohesive game in my opinion. I only have 2 hours in bleak faith but the exploration does not feel that good to me. It's cool to walk around for a bit and see a good structure, but the process of getting there is unenjoyable and theres not much to comment on when exploring around. It's very much a "its about the destination, not the journey" kind of game.
Bleak Faith wishes it was half as good as Hellpoint, and Hellpoint already wasn't very good.
Hellpoint's ending was a mess but it was unironically the 2nd best Soulslike out there, just behind NOSE.
>played through hellpoint
>tried bleak faith for 1 hr
Hellpoint unironically has great feeling movement and combat compared to this, and is like a thousand times more polished.
Yes I'm aware how weird it sounds to say Hellpoint has good combat in comparison to something.
Hellpoint is completely grounded and weighty by comparison. BFF is that bad.
Not saying the game isn't shit, but souls games are all unironically better with kb/m
should i make some buldak Hispanicy noodles
holy shit, i love shitting on v-deots !
ahahahahah!!
>even streamers who are PAID to play it are still shitting on it
oh nononono hahahhhahahahhah
lil bro doesn't know that you'll get in trouble with the FTC if you don't disclose ads.
v is such a shithole...
>freinds of the devs or devs comments edition
kek, okay anon good one
>positive reviews complain about negative reviews and don't even praise the game
>negative reviews actually criticize the game and highlight the current issues
i hope you're not trying to defend the game with these posts
>keep seeing 50+ hours from the shills
>now its 15-20
>barely gotten passed the main menu
yeah cause their gay ass movie scene can't be skipped lol
>The moment right now dictates a lot of our trajectory.
/bff/bros... now Sequisha is shitting on our game...
Post games better than Bleak Faith. I'll start.
>there will never be a source port of Supes 64
>there will never be a mod to have Supes's friend and our hero, Son Goku, playable in Supes 64.
DBZ and Superman TAS were airing on American television at the same time. Back when heroes were manly and had muscles.
>no dildo control, many crying doldos 😀
Reading the reviews, it seems like 90% of the issue is controls
Which can be patched quickly if the developer isn't retarded
>90% of the issue is controls
Most of the reviews that mention the controls also mention how the game feels floaty and that the combat is subpar, the controls are from the only issues that the reviews are mentioning, just the most blatant issue.
>feels floaty
>is a souls-like
seems on brand tbh
>Reading the reviews, it seems like 90% of the issue is controls
>Which can be patched quickly if the developer isn't retarded
nah i ts not just the controls.
it feels too floaty.
like you character doesn't feel like they have weight to them in the it feels like you are kind of on the invisible collsion box on the ground instead of the actual ground your character is expected to be walkign on.
if you want to play with your dildos, play on your dildostations. pc is for men only
the game is eurojank kino, it's literally the Dark Souls 3 that i always wanted (never liked ds3)
it controls surprisingly well with kb+m, just adjusted the jump button because it's important in combat and exploration, the controller support is completely fucked so be aware.
i respect the devs doing their own take on the action rpg genre even though it's clearly inspired by the souls series, don't go on expecting a souls clone.
I saw one trailer for this game posted here and it looked like hot garbage
were people actually looking forward to whatever this is? I never even heard of it until a few days ago.
People get really horny about slav jank around here.
I can understand giving a pass to slavjank shooters, but the standards for 3rd person action games are different.
people here get excited about every new jank souls
Someone who said they were dev made a thread earlier today about the game releasing, they're probably here now defending it as well. I can't imagine why anyone else would be that invested in some random steam shovelware.
devs were shilling this game this whole entire week. its pretty fun to poke fun at a shitty game
>can crouch the boss mongo spin
Now that's some good EUROJANK
people would say that's cool if it was in a From souls game
Nice Banished Knight animation
but that IS cool
>boss has zero reaction to the player just sitting in front of him
See, it's this kind of creativity and cool shit you miss out on when you have your players just rely on magical iframes
vtards are review boming this, wait until they are bored and move to their next dildogame
the expectations were too high "next soulshit wow"
it needs bugfixing to be enjoyable but still its is a good game, just a really unpolished one
>product received for free
Controllerchads have better games to play.
>product received for free
holy shit
>product received for free
It's looking bleak
i thought it was a post apocalyptic cyberpunk it turn out is another medieval wankfest.
another streamer just gave up on the game...
Ive only watched Elijas or whats his name and he was enjoying it until he ran into bugs like not taking damage and unable to climb to progress
obviously its still a beta-test quality and need fixes to be good
Ill wait till its patched to play myself
90% of the negativity seems to be about the shitty controller support, if they fix that will it become worth it?
no
Bros... Ela, Cohh, and Seq have all quit and the game...
>Motion Blur: Off by default
ah, a real pc game
one positive review says the devs announced somewhere that the game has physics problems above 90 FPS and since he capped his FPS to 90 it feels great. uh, if the devs knew this why didn't they cap the FPS themselves?
having played for an hour after pirating so i have no dog in this fight:
movement feels very floaty and imprecise for a game where you have to jump alot to reach certain places. This is the biggest problem.
expected levels of jank and bugs with teleporting enemies getting stuck in walls sometimes etc.
exploration is the thing that they got right. Lots of paths splitting off everywhere, sometimes being a dead end, sometimes rejoining main paths and sometimes leading to new areas.
Im enjoying for the weird setting and atmosphere alone so im gonna play some more now. Wouldnt buy it at this point though
reminder that archangel studios says "trans rights"
also moustache man bad
>white supremacy is the scum of the earth
whoo lad.
guess i made the right choice refunding this gayy.
only chink supremacy is allowed, dont forget to simp for gayshit impact
Thanks for savjng me the money, fren
also Christianity is...LE BAD
>atheist's can't make videogame
a tale as old as time
I will NEVER understand why the dev's Discord in many games are not extremely moderated. If i was making a game and had a discord for it, (you need one to have free QA) the only thing allowed would be talking on the game or any other games. Everything else would be an instaban.
Why would they moderate it when they want that discussion there? They probably sit on it all day waiting for someone to start a conversation they can circlejerk with
y'see, that's where they lose me completely.
were I a dev, I would want my potential audience to be as brutally honest as possible. the thought of surrounding myself with sycophants is just nauseating
Some people just need a lot of positive reinforcement to get things done. It becomes a problem when its all you have though. I feel like the really needed a lead for their team to set the boundaries and keep their goals realistic and implemented well.
The unfortunate truth is that if you have all kinds of off-topic and feels good channels for your members, you'll build a nice community that will dedicate themselves to you and be more likely to spread the news of your game if they feel invested into the community.
forming a parasocial relationship to shill your game is retarded since it creates an echochamber of reinforcement for your bad design decisions. now everyone knows they are shite developers and should feel bad for it
I guarantee neither the developers nor their echo chamber discord are able to see the game for what it is.
The unfortunate truth is that mean-good people get exploited by sociopaths who just want to bully and powertrip
>Platform is called discord
>Don't want users to sow discord
You're right though.
this shit is why I'll never start a discord for my game
or interact with my fanbase at all
don't care. I judge games by the game. not the people who made them. You gays are the ones that shilled that Harry Potter game just because JK Rowling hates trans people. It seems to only be ok when they agree with you. Fucking retards.
>It seems to only be ok when they agree with you
that's basically 90% of politics
screenshot anon here. Hogwarts Legacy is shit and people who fell for it being "right wing" or anti-chud were retarded. The game is filled with senseless diversity, a chud character and the ability to pick your pronouns.
Why are you making up so much insane bullshit?
What did I make up in that post, shillanon?
The game isn't even soulful enough to qualify even as eurojank. Just shovelware.
the serbs should have put this build on steam as an early access title
>be 3 guys with a few cool ideas for a setting
>decide to make a full fledged fucking Soulslike
Everything is janky and rather bad, except for some cool enemy designs and locations.
It's obviously way too big for the dev team, both in size and experience. Should have made something smaller first, pretty sure they didn't even have a professional animator.
>pretty sure they didn't even have a professional animator.
It's an unreal engine indie game, they can buy(or steal) 99% of assets and animations that they'll need for a game.
>they can buy(or steal) 99% of assets and animations that they'll need for a game.
No, they can't when their game is a 3rd person action game extremely reliant on animations. Well, they CAN, but this is the result you get then.
Though honestly the animations aren't even half as bad as the VFX.
The game looks fine for what it is.
I'd say the biggest detractor from the visuals is the lighting kind of sucks but that's even not that bad
So from what I gather the main problems with the game is that the combat feels floaty, controller issues and a lot of bugs?
That and the world is a bit too large with not enough in it.
ATTENTION, BE SURE TO TRY 60FPS!!
I had 90 and when I changed to 60, character got SOME ACTUAL WEIGHT!!
And also lots of visual bugs resolved!
The movement is still not perfect but tons of better!
>I had 90 and when I changed to 60, character got SOME ACTUAL WEIGHT!!
Should i buy Astlibra or Hi-fi rush
They're pretty different games, what are you looking for in them?
just a fun game to sink time into.
Astlibra is quite a bit longer than hi-fi rush but pick whatever looks more fun, they're both good games.
I played the demo for Astlibra, and there were fps drops when too much crazy shit was going on. anyways to fix it?
No clue, I only ever played the main game and had no issues. Unless the dev updated the demo recently, it was a pretty old build. Maybe pirate it first to see if it runs well for you.
Is it when you're attacking? If so, that's intentional hitstop that gets more and more intense as you increase attack speed or hit multiple targets
yeah, the game is a solid 60 fps, but when i start to combo it drops to 40fps
I can't really compare cause I didn't get Astlibra and just did the demo and decided to leave it for later but I had a really good time with Hi Fi Rush. Once I got used to the rythm anyway.
People who have actually played the game for more than 10 minutes are now writing reviews and they're pretty much all positive.
what's wrong with capped 60 fps on a single player game?
i get it with shit like competitive shooters you'd wanted higher fps since from what i understand it causes less input lag but i never once had problems when just locking everything at 60fps. its how i've always played everything.
Nothing. It's the fact that the game is so poorly programmed that changing the framerate is game breaking
>what's wrong with capped 60 fps on a single player game?
Accepting it as the best norm.
>game breaks above 60 fps
I thought only nip devs were this incompetent.
I'm loving the game so far
There's a dedicated fag changing IPs and shitposting up a storm against it, I'm not sure what his story is but he's truly insane.
My exploration has been rewarded with a kite shield from this little area here
>There's a dedicated fag changing IPs and shitposting up a storm against it, I'm not sure what his story is but he's truly insane.
Your meds, sir.
You can simply make multiple accounts buy the game multiple times and refund it costing you nothing and leaving negative reviews...I'm on to you.
>mostly negative reviews
>it must be one person crusading against this game!
Since the opposition is literally bots, that means it is just one Borg machine.
Fuck yeah support the devs, trans lives matter folks
Yeah, his screenshot almost makes people forget about the trans rights thing.
define schizophrenia
>one guy doing it
>meanwhile I have seen you in multiple threads shilling
Projecting
NTA but you're a genuine weirdo, what do you have against people playing video games?
>post screenshots of your own game and talk about how it is a 10/10 in every single thread
>accuse everyone who doesn't like it of being the same person in the same post
>wow, why are you mad at someone playing games
Yea, I guess if I just ignore half of what someone is saying it would be easy to agree with them.
NTA but you're a genuine cool guy
the combo system is absolutely retard
dropped immediately after beating the first boss it's beyond boring and too janky even for me who has a high tolerance for it
You're not fooling anybody. Anyone that's played more than 10 minutes will tell you that this game is a masterpiece.
what? i beat the first boss with the claymore and light gear once i realized the heavy one you get was making my stamina regenerate way too slowly
he only has 1 unavoidable attack or at least i didn't figure out a way to escape it which is why it took me like 10 minutes and 5 or so tries
he's pretty easy but the weapons feel like absolute trash, they are unreliable and janky
anyways i see there is a shill or something so i just wanted to give an unbiased opinion, i guess give it a shot if you have a very high tolerance for jank and i mean high
https://youtube.com/live/JnUUHViAsoE?feature=shares&t=2147
Based. First video I searched posted 19 hours ago also in the first few fights falls thru the stairs.
Probably a sign of how bad and skinny stickman the fucking stairs pre-fabs are these days.
Never happened in the history of Quake because when you map edited for id games it was actually good even if it didn't appear ultra-real. Never seen it happen in Doom 3 and beyond either.
Fuck off bot.
>Fuck off bot
Says the bot. You even say "based" like a fucking Ganker bot.
It's my argument against theirs.
>their argument is pro-automated bots
>my argument is pro-manual human players
gee I wonder if I ever insinuated that players should be robots?
>argument
This isn't an argument because I don't care about what you have to say. You're a bot with no thoughts or feelings. An AI based on the Ganker hivemind. If you were a real person, I'd pity you.
lol you didn't even answer my question. Ok. Bye now chatbot.
>nooooo you gotta answer my questions
I don't have to answer to bots.
If it weren't for "consolefags," there wouldn't be a Souls game for you to copy, dev.
Does this game have:
Ability to aim in realtime with the mouse crosshair?
Big wide arcs of swings with slow big weapons or is it all just gordon freemam swinging a crowbar or shooting a sawblade from the gravity gun?
>is a console fag and a controller onlyist
God damn you and kill your body. You're the ones releasing the covid virus and creating your own pandemics. Fuck you. Have a nice eternity. 🙂
>I can't wait until the scorpions come out of the bottomless pits and sting everybody!
>jabberwocky
Did I break you, bot?
Update
I'm now friends with this giant undead prisoner
Update
I'm trans
I don't like the visual style.
wtf she's mogging me
>she
>shit skin
>danger hair
>man in female clothes
yup games woke, i'm glad it's getting review bombed
Things are looking pretty... BLEAK
Have faith it's not forsaken by devs just yet
brought to you by the teenagers who heard about berserk and watched a streamer play dark souls
wow those devs shilling their terrible game sure are quiet now huh
I have no fucking idea where to go AAAAAAAAAAAAA
That's part of the fun, just explore around and remember stuff. I just came back to this part to the right at the very beginning where you can jump to the beam and then to this walkway
i fucking love this weapon, its great
Yep, also jumping over to the pillar and walkway lead to another jump that got me this cool cape that increases movement speed
Same. Just beat the first boss and now i got like 6 different ways to go
15 min left to dl
>playing fromshit
>playing fromshit clones
>300 posts
>95 IP's
>game is absolutely horrible
I can't get over the fact the game has animations that look literally lifted from Souls games.
I'm not even a Fromdrone, but even I'm annoyed by this.
kek, this. i was watching the spear boss fight and could've sworn that was vyke's spear special attack animation
PC players
>FUCK CONTROLLERS M+KB ONLY
also PC players
>WHAT THE FUCK 60FPS IS ENOUGH
Hypocrisy.
why are Gankertards so up their own ass that they genuinely think people come here to shill their games
Yeah, who would do that
That wasn't the dev, it was you. Anyone in the archive can see that. You're a weird fucked up liar
christ you really are retarded
your game is shit, and you shilled it for free KWAB
>"why would anyone shill their games here?"
>posts proof of a AAA studio shilling their biggest release receiving a performance patch on their new console
>"you really are retarded"
???
>Check archive, can't answer any questions or answer accurately
>Using image off of google
TOTALLY BELIEVABLE
boys we caught a malding shill right here.
Yeah, I'm getting tired of the chatbots showing up and calling every thread a shill because it is talking about a videogame. Everyone is a shill in their mind.
A shill is someone who loves every single one of fromsoft's games, even their games that are meant to worship Asia as a gift to their own race.
your game is shit, and no one is buying it. in fact people are actually refunding it.
>your game is shit, and no one is buying it. in fact people are actually refunding it.
hey chud serbie, shouldn't you be working on your shitty game?
KWAB
Hey leftie that making stuff up, you can't just make things up.
>leftie that making stuff up
I can't tell if you're just pretending, but that is a perfect slav esl imitation.
see
Cope, seethe, and dilate serb dev. you had to say "trans rights" because you know your shithole game was going to flop because it's trash.
Yeah you know those really organic threads Ganker has all the time where they aggressively defend random soulslike asset flip #683491
No, organics would just mean traditional gamer values or someshit. That sounds more like you wanting to associate organic food with being the enemy.
I ate GMOs and doritos my whole life. Still can.
I never supported this game, chud.
>I never supported this game, chud.
of course you didn't because the game is trash. you shill it for free like the little gay you are lmao
>of course you didn't
>you do
You can't even make up your mind. You really are a chatbot, I've seen people post exerpts of chatbots that do that very thing.
Read first one.
you don't have to buy a game to shill something dumb-ass 3rd world poor.
>3rd world poor
Ok you can think that. Enjoy where that takes you mother fucker.
I don't read bot posts.
Look at that fucking guy! He types like a bot.
>chud
Just like a fucking bot. You were made by a man in a dress, bot. Your master will never be a woman.
Because people have come here to shill their games. Even AAA companies as Sony's been caught shilling on Ganker twice. More relevant than Resetera. Stay mad.
i don't get it. i don't use twitter, what does it mean?
It means that the OP is the person who runs the twitter account. This also happened with GOW2018.
This argument hasn't worked since it became common knowledge game devs pay even literally whos thousands to play their game for an hour on twitch. It never worked if you knew even the basics of internet advertising
You are way too naive, Ganker is not le sekret club. Ganker has millions of pageviews per month, so there are A LOT of real shills around here trying to market their games and create buzz. Many threads here are from developers pretending to shitpost about their games just to create publicity.
>too naive
They know exactly what they are doing. They hope people are stupid enough to not know any better and argue with them.
You're a crazy lunatic, this game was made by 2 guys and 1 doing music with a budget of 30k they got several years ago. They don't have the money to hire marketers you delusional halfwit fuck, just die already
You don't need a marketer to create a Ganker thread you fucking imbecile.
You ain't too bright
>muh 2 guys
>muh team of 3
You're so transparent.
>Facts are transparency
Hurr, you genuinely think it's more likely a dev makes the threads for a video game than the people that play them. I hope you die dude
Jesus christ they really do just whore themselves out to anyone who gives them the time of day. Look at all those 4chan buzzwords. Guess 4chan didn't catch on so they moved to the trannies.
Here's a one dev game that's pretty fun. It even has a demo.
Because like it or not Ganker is one of the most (if not the most) influential websites and has been for many years, to the point where most internet culture is shaped by this place. Every other large social hub is downstream of Ganker, they all use memes made here, and have done so for over a decade. On top of that this place has a huge flow of users and users here are generally more dedicated than on places like reddit so you can expect more and higher quality free advertising if its picked up.
This isn't 2006 anymore retard, Ganker is massive and pivotal.
You're right but then I see
and it feels like I'm in 2006 again. So fucking comfy see a Tom & Jerry reaction image like that fucking cat.
welp. I just kept climbing and got to the upper blocks
Cool, did you kill the spectral gorilla earthbender dude at the bottom of the starter area?
Just did now and it dropped Amulet of Wandering which gives -0.5s before stamina starts regenerating
The pillars hitboxes are wonky as shit but I figured I could jump of the AOE quake and got some big damage this way
The 2 potion limits is fucking tight
that looks cool
Oh goodie, china hotel housing. If only their pre-fabs and the level design itself didn't reflect of the very thing they trying to teach kids is not a good thing.
normalfags expecting a polished AAA game can't handle the jankino
I dont really get all the hate for the game. Played for 2 hours and exploring is fun.
Yeah movement is quite fucked and its the usual eurojank but im enjoying the setting. Getting EYE vibes all around.
>Ok you can think that. Enjoy where that takes you mother fucker.
At least I didn't take the mark of the beast and literally tried to arm wrestle with God over PC gaming controls like you. God is going to shatter your bones.
Slav meltdowns are always so funny. The English just progressively gets worse until they just tell you to die over and over.
I didn't even mind the shilling but the review embargo was such a glowing red flag. Way to go serbfags. I know you're in this thread. Hope you get annexed.
>explore levels
>some cheap "East Hastings" ripoff starts playing
This game looks disgusting
It's soulshit but somehow even worse
>discordfags desperately trying to prop up the reviews
Why are people like this?
Sunk cost. Many of them backed the game and followed it for years believing in their hearts it would do the impossible and not be terrible. They're at stage 1 cope rn. Stage 2 is "ok it's bad but patches will fix it!" I'd say that becomes the consensus by Monday.
>soulless edgy name
>soulless AI art
>literally copy and paste animation from dark souls
>bought assets from the UE store
?t=51
https://www.youtube.com/live/JnUUHViAsoE?feature=share&t=1311
the defintion of soulless
Wow that's blatant.
Wow, holy shit.
one of the rare instances where pirating it (if it were any good) is the moral choice
If the game were good and schooled Fromtrannies, it would be based
But holy shit
>Samefag replying to himself repeatedly
>even paid shill streamers can't help but shit on the game
it's over
Yeah, he keeps saying it's like a soulslike, but the knight in the video clearly just walks up to you and after 3 seconds swings once, then waits 3 seconds before swinging, once, again. No chain attacks on the enemy NPCs? What? /thumbsdown
Enemy NPCs do plenty of stuff and some combo yeah, some early ones even block, parry and heal themselves
I'm going off that video dude. I know some of them do, but that knight NPC was supposed to be like the tier skill of another player like yourself. It's all he did.
Enemy NPCs can be unpredictable, like the guy I got the cutlass from could spam rolls and evades on me but didn't always do it
uhh, seems quite predictable to me from that video. Here, I'll demonstrate.
>walks up to the knight
>waits 3 seconds
>dodges
>repeat
Also all the characters are skinny skeletons. No beef.
Decent attempt for 3 devs.
Way too buggy and clearly unfinished though.
awful shills
>nooo you just can't use stable diffusion it's literally theft
lmao
The animations were mo capped by one of the guys, you're a retard making up shit as per usual
Unless the dev comes here and confirms that himself, it's safe to assume you're just lying.
He literally has a video where he talks about it and it's in the archive as well
Just checked the discord, mocap was used primarily for cutscenes, not gameplay animations.
Sure man I beLIEve you hahaha
>post-release
It's quite over.
I'm having a blast so I don't know what you mean
>guys we moc-capped and did all this cool stuff
>2 days b4 release
>turns out it didn't work bleh
Your samefagging is bizarre
ask me how i konw you are new here
meds
pirated it and played with kbm
it isn't as bad as the reviews would make you think
has some interesting ideas, but it's really lacking in polish
I'll probably drop it in a few hours
Why do all unreal soulslike knockoffs look like they have no weight/feel floaty/have shitty impact?
Really makes you appreciate Souls even more when you realize how right they got it on their first try, movement and combat just feels perfectly tuned in DeS.
FromSoftware are the masters of weight. They made Armored Core.
This. I really miss the weight and "slow" combat in DS1.
It's because they wouldn't be making these kinds of games if they actually appreciated the real deal.
They want to 'fix' the genre or just pay homages, they don't want to learn what is being taught.
Because From has had this very concept understood since 1997
It's crazy how not a single dev can get weight right aside from fromsoft.
Here is a new souls guide for Ganker.
Is new souls game good?
[ ] yes
[x] no
Fucking print it and tape it to your monitor you dumb monkeys. Even morons have better future prediction mind models and memory retention.
But salt and sanctuary was good.
but not salt and sacrifice
I didn't buy this fucking game. Join me and let's shit on this game together.
Devs, I know you're in the thread. How do I get a serbian gf?
Game is literally shit nothinburger, shilling here obviously works.
chud jannies even seem to support it, best response would be to post extreme gore and porn in these worthless threads, but you will get banned
>indie souls like
>clunky garbage
name a more iconic duo
I'm playing a REAL soulslike.
Game name?
Clash artifacts of chaos
it's very obtuse and kinda jank
Gives off an Oddworld vibe which I can dig. Anyways, thanks, mang.
np it's peak soul, it's essentially absolver + nuGoW + a hieronymus bosch painting - a budget
Game's great so far, why is there one guy trying to put the game down so hard? Did one of the devs steal your girlfriend?
>one guy
>50% of the people who bought the game disliked it
Hey Danijel Ivanović
>design soulslike with kb+m
>it's absolute garbage
keyboard <--- this is for working
controller <--- this is for gaming
>43 reviews
Why are you all pretending to care about this game?
from trannies are hate fun
I just don't understand the mindset of indie devs. They'll spend years building the level designs of their dreams, when they can't even get basic combat gameplay right. Instead of first focusing on making a solid core vertical slice before making the game and assets.
Dudes just used the UE4 default chracter controllers and kept adding new statemachines to it. On top of that they didn't lay out their level designs proper with flat invisible planes to delimit the play areas so you get stucks in every staircase.
It's really amateurish but the game has its charm somehow. Not like I paid for it lel.
yeah, I was thinking the same, it seems that a lot of time was put into the level design, but they went with the first working prototype for movement and combat that they got working and called it a day.
cause combat is hard
did you try to play multi-million AAA lately? they have 500 people teams and they still cant make good combat
westoids in general suck at gameplay compared to nips
Wow the game the devs were shilling for the past week is total shit? Crazy!!
why do you morons seethe about rare indie game causing some interest yet completely ignore gacha being shilled here every day
Shut up moron the shilling was obvious
whats obvious is your target hate for no reason while you ignore actual paid advertising spam, you are just cancer hating on gaming
I'm a cancer hating on blatant advertising on Ganker. Creating inorganic threads for weeks leading up to release isn't gaming. Calling everyone with a negative opinion of the game one person isn't gaming. Unpaid advertising is just as bad as paid and neither are exempt from being called out.
You're insane and have an agenda behind what you're doing, you're a sad loser. These guys made a cool game, you got nothing
What exactly is my agenda here? I've even conceded in this very thread that the game looks good visually and hope that it turns out well after a few updates. I've said time and time again that my bone to pick is with the blatant shilling.
The only people who disrupted these threads were the ones who spent day after day creating them and pretending to not be affiliated with the game while posting the exact same images and posts each thread instead of allowing natural discussion of the game.
>The only people who disrupted these threads were the ones who spent day after day creating them and pretending to not be affiliated with the game while posting the exact same images and posts each thread instead of allowing natural discussion of the game.
lol you went too far here good bait
There is no blatant shilling, just have a nice day
>The only people who disrupted these threads were the ones who spent day after day creating them and pretending to not be affiliated with the game
Really you need to die, for the sake of mankind's sanity and to keep your sickness at bay from the rest of us
>thiss anon can recognize patterns
is a curse when viewing v really
Stop replying to yourself
but you dont care about actual shilling, you are just an obtuse piece of shit trying to disrupt a small indie game thread for no reason
go back you your daily spam of gacha coomer trash
the genshin threads are organic you transphobe bigot
Back to the gacha argument again? You've done this for 3 threads now shill. You're of course going to cope and deny reality when I say that I tell gacha shills to leave as well.
Am I being memed on? The game isn't that bad. Controls are kinda shit, but not a horrendous mess like people are making it out to be
It's one dude spamming a shit ton, might have help from a friend. We had him in the threads just samefagging up a storm over the past week. My theory is he knows one of the devs personally and truly hates the guy
>we
Laying it on a bit too thick there.
>124 IPs in this thread
>most posts are negative
>this anon thinks 1 or 2 people are behind all the negative posts
now that's what i call schizo
We're cycling through IPs.
predisposed
It's a ridiculous cope you see all too often on Ganker these days. They're also claiming the bogeyman is making multiple accounts to buy and refund the game and leave bad reviews.
>looked pretty good in the previews
Brother, it looked like actual shit from the very beginning.
You want something that reminds you of Blame, go play NaissanceE
If it's the same level of jank and bugginess as Hellpoint then I'll be able to enjoy it no worries
This makes hellpoint look like a fromsoft game.
you play it?
Any good?
Hellpoint was actually pretty good and still recommendable game. Not Mortal Shell, though, I can't recommend that one, but Hellpoint had major bugs and still isn't as good as Dark Souls 3. It's also a different type of game, being science-fiction and all.
Having a good time and I'm amused that someone could dedicate their life to shitting on this game
does your ai suck?
just say it's unpredictable
this is barely a real game, it should be free
it would be cool if it were some free project in a beta
endless ds3 animations on basic enemies in the first 30 minutes, I don't see how anyone could give this a positive review
>it's already on sale
hahahahhahahhaaha
Hey devs maybe spend less time prostrating to trannies and fighting imaginary "white supremacists" on the internet, and more time asking whether you actually have anything creative to offer the world kek
Given that the original Kickstarter years ago barely scraped by, I suspect they simply ran out of budget and had to release it as is. I commend them on not taking preorders, but this seems to be the rare case where the game really should have been released in early access.
I don't think it'd be much better if they did.
More time or money doesn't = better game, never has.
I just think this is the best three mountain bros can make
>check thread for webms of game
>get a bunch of gays arguing over controllers and chud shit
Ganker clutch as always
nobody here actually plays games
blatant af lol
the devs even have the audacity to say the game isn't a soulslike
ok
You can clearly see they're just doing an homage to it, the animations don't line up when paused
Some autist would have to dissect both frame by frame but this is suHispanicious as hell either way. Jank is one thing, but stealing assets can bury this game for good since From can just slap them with a c&d at any point.
They didn't steal it, just used same attack pattern. Nobody would be stupid enough to rip an entire animation from a famous game series like this.
>stealing assets can bury this game for good since From can just slap them with a c&d at any point
the game blatantly steals dozens of ds3 and elden ring animations
just watch 5 minutes of someone playing it and you'll see, it wouldn't be surprising if they did get sued
Im pretty sure they also stole the overhead Uchigatana attack from Souls too lmao
Animation looks identical at first glance
yeah the uchigatana r2 is on a greatsword
some enemies use the longsword weapon art stance
there's the enemy that's just an abyss watcher
Yeah screw it I'm refunding until they explain this. I was willing to give them the benefit of doubt, but this kind of crap doesn't bode well for its future prospects.
Just lying and pretending you're someone refunding doesn't work dude
you cant steal animation you tech illiterate dumbfuck
I can't tell if you're on some anti-IP laws retardation or you genuinely don't know that you can rip animations and models from games.
You literally can rofl
No, you can steal the data used to create an animation. You cannot steal the final result viewed from outside. Anyone can perform swings and spins etc. You can use another character's moves in your game even if you don't own said character so long as it's not the data from that game.
a round of applause to each and every 3d character model that was seen doing fortnite dances, all hand animated by hard working shitposters
you're a moron using my webm for your doomposting campaign
shills got real quiet on this one
??? they liked that dude's fighting style and used it, I don't see the issue
Surely they get hit with some sort of lawsuit for this?
How retarded do you have to be to steal from the most played game of 2022 that literally everyone knows? Serbs really are the morons of Europe lol
Dunno about how it'll go from here but I'm certainly having fun looking around and fighting after I got this weapon.
People are too sensitive when it comes to any new mechanics or controls.
Where helmet
Near the hub area where the ogre dude patrols.
Could they have at least TRIED to make a knockoff of my wife look halfway decent? O can see why Gankerirgins shit on Western AAA garbage Female faces.
that's a man
Better looking than what she was before if that's the case.
>every accusation of shilling is always met with multiple replies vehemently denying it
lmao
Does this use the same soul currency, autosave-only system as the Souls games? I'm pretty tired of those mechanics.
No soul currency, auto saves for you regularly. You can force the saves when going to the homunculus
>dead enemy on elevator
>elevator goes up
>dead enemy does free fall animation
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
That's funny, but it just really makes me think they barely tested it at all. I insist: they should have released multiple public demos instead of being secretive and allowing only specific people to play it for all these years.
>fitgirl down
BROS???
the game that broke the from trannies
also: kb&m, no hand dildo
kek
The movement is absolutely horrendous, not having a variable speed to move your character at to avoid falling off ledges during tight turns is just laughable.
I'll keep playing it but jesus christ.