Does it really need an explanation? console gamers have never and will never care about PC whether it's portable or not, why do you think cell phones are the laughing stock of gaming?
Because cell phone games are actually almost universally trash aside from low end ports of things like old final fantasy games.
People who exclusively game on console are pretty moronic, they're like applegays, they just want everything handed to them in a really simple moron proof package, and they want to be told what to buy.
They don't want to use their brains, that's the fundamental problem.
>and the SteamDeck tickles my pickle as someone who skipped PS5 and Xbox
Are you joking? It's not for the PS5 and Xbox games, it's for emulating around PS2/GC era while dipping its toes into PS3 and games roughly in the PS4/Xbone era that are natively on PC.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and games roughly in the PS4/Xbone era that are natively on PC
bro, it can run more than that
2 years ago
Anonymous
We don't even have PS5/Xbox games yet. The closest is what, Forza 5? Microsoft Flight Simulator? Both videos I see of those have fairly large drops from 60 and 30 respectively even on all low at 800p.
It runs cyberpunk better then the ps4 my man. I played through assassin's creed 3 and shadow of mordor at locked 60fps too, not the latest games but hey they run at 30fps on the consoles and I'm not a fan of 30fps so I'm not playing elden ring or rdr2 on it. I got dark souls ptde locked at 50 and dark souls 2 locked 60 aswell, didn't try 3 yet.
So exactly as I said. Native games on PC that are roughly from the PS4/Xbone era which is what you listed. I don't know why you're arguing since everything you listed is from gen 7 back. People will be able to drop the quality settings but for how long before it needs to start dropping the resolution below 800p and how much are you willing to tolerate? For me it's an emulation machine, not a modern PC.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My bad I read your post wrong, I saw it as "dipping toes into PS4 era games". I don't see the appeal of playing demanding games like elden ring or rdr2 at 30fps with short battery life so I'm using it for emulation and pre 2016ish PC games, although some newer games supposedly run extremely well like RE8 or DMCV.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Native games on PC that are roughly from the PS4/Xbone era
Black person, cyberpunk is a 2 year old game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes, a PS4/Xbone era game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You might as well just concede that it runs everything at this point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do consoletards really group shit into generations instead of checking minimum and recommended specs?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do PC vegans really not own a single piece of physical hardware and pay 300% over MSRP?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not my problem. I paid MSRP on launch for my 3080, PS5 and Steam deck.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope
2 years ago
Anonymous
>do console tards really? >I own consoles
Wow
2 years ago
Anonymous
I bought my parts right before everything crashed from covid for MSRP. I was relentlessly mocked by waitgays telling me I should wait for the 3000 series. I got my deck a little over a week ago too and paid MSRP as well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It runs cyberpunk better then the ps4 my man. I played through assassin's creed 3 and shadow of mordor at locked 60fps too, not the latest games but hey they run at 30fps on the consoles and I'm not a fan of 30fps so I'm not playing elden ring or rdr2 on it. I got dark souls ptde locked at 50 and dark souls 2 locked 60 aswell, didn't try 3 yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
utter fricking moron lmao. your feelings over a faceless company 8s getting to you
I'll be logical. Physical games are most valued among console gamers. You can compare the disc versions of consoles to the digital ones and they sell far more.
>Buy Steam Deck for $400 >You no longer have to pay $15-30 for every indie released in the past decade >You no longer have to pay $60 for every mid to large game of the past decade >$400 in savings in less than a year
So tell me, what do you play on Deck? You need Steam. If you have it and have games, good, now you can play them on the go.
Why would Xbox or PS user buy a Deck?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The better question is why you're not an idort yet in 2022.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hm. I have PC, PS4, and Switch.
PS3, X360, and PS TV from older gen. I'm good, thx
2 years ago
Anonymous
nta but I see less reason for an idort to buy a deck
2 years ago
Anonymous
>bro I'm an idort I own a PS5 and a Steam deck
Lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
You literally don’t need anything else at this point
So is the Series S and it's the most popular console besides switch, also your games are not tied to the Steam Deck in the same way your xbox games are only tied to MS consoles
>Also it's digital only
I've got a USB Floppy drive around here somewhere, and my old TIE-Fighter disks.
Would be silly, but I could definitely use physical media to install a game on the Deck.
Agree, but only because Xbots aren't relevant most of the time. Tendiemanbabies are still the most obnoxious here, though. Acting chummy and hiding behind "Big Bros" Xbox and PC anons like the snivelling cowards they are when shitting on Snoyhomosexuals, then revealing their scummy moron selves when emulation topics come up.
He has it wrong anyways. Someone with just a PS5 or Xbox would get tons of mileage from a steam deck acting as a portable gaming device and cheap toaster PC. It might even help them realize how much better PC gaming is and go all in on a nice rig, ditching console gaming for good.
Only switch cultists seethe at the deck. It invalidates 95% of the switch library with better hardware.
He has it wrong anyways. Someone with just a PS5 or Xbox would get tons of mileage from a steam deck acting as a portable gaming device and cheap toaster PC. It might even help them realize how much better PC gaming is and go all in on a nice rig, ditching console gaming for good.
Only switch cultists seethe at the deck. It invalidates 95% of the switch library with better hardware.
Nobody with a switch “seethes” at the deck. This is something Ganker planted in your mind. I think the deck is cool, and plan to get one once a revision comes out. However you are a braindead Black personmonkey if you think the deck has ANY impact on the switch market.
>lie about the deck >get corrected >that's somehow "shilling"
2 years ago
Anonymous
What lie?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tendies lie because, well, what else can they do? The only truth they can say about the switch is it sells more than the deck, which is true and why they like saying it. Otherwise, all they can do is lie about the deck or else admit it's superior.
And I wont buy deck even if steam dr*nes keep shilling it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nobody wants you to. It's got limited production, we're here to talk to the people who have already reserved one or gotten theirs, not irrelevant shitposters
It's a handheld that can run tens of thousands of games without jailbreaking or voiding the device's warranty. That alone mogs the Switch enough to steal interest.
You just launch it to watch it chug while it renders at 4k, take a few screenshots, then you go to your favorite forum to tell everyone how you emulated it.
How many people own a Steam Deck again? How many Steam Decks even exist in the world? Like 100k? 200k? THAT (among a few other issues) is why the Steam Deck will never be truly relevant. There are 7 billion people on this planet. In order for a product to matter in the long run, it needs to actually be available for at least 0.01% of the population. Steam Deck isn't really that. And so long as Valve continues to be Valve, it will never be that. This doesn't even get into shit like pricing or advertisement, there just aren't fricking enough of these things to ever truly matter.
>ryujinx
wait, does this mean microsoft made C# open and crossplatform? I sure fricking hope so, java is insufferably pajeet
2 years ago
Anonymous
C# has been a non-windows thing for a long time now. You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
If the game has a native port like Rise, sure, no contest. Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
k
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
Oh so it's not a problem then because you'd want to use the GUI/graphics libraries of the host OS anyways. Thanks anon
If the game has a native port like Rise, sure, no contest. Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
only if you're a yuzutroony
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
Doesn't Mono take care of that?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes. Also .NET core. And it's not winforms that has problems, it's WPF/XAML.
If the game has a native port like Rise, sure, no contest. Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
>Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
not my experience tbh, runs most games as good as a switch
I've been able to play everything at a stable 30fps on mine. This includes games that the switch chugs on and dips into the 20s when trying to do the same thing.
What's this 15fps and bugs glitches and crashes bullshit you're talking about? It's stronger than the switch by fricking lightyears.
I ordered it with the idea of trying it out but it has ruined every other handheld for me, I gave the shitty switch to my 7yo nephew since now I can emulate everything on a vastly superior hardware and with an ever growing library
I don't blame them. Nintendo's E3 shit was about third party games that will just run better on PC or a Steam Deck.
My Switch is just for first party Nintendo games, which have pretty much run completely dry at this point.
Nintendo is already in the phase out period and are obviously focusing on the next system.
tendies can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps nor can they tell the difference between 360p bilinear upscaled to 720p vs native 720p
don't bother
I've beaten Witcher 3 on multiple times on PC and decided to get the Switch ver because it was on sale at the time. Playing it on Switch was perfectly fine for me and I'm not one of the homosexuals who cant tell the difference between fps. I'm just not a stuck up homosexual who is 60+ or it's impossible to play. Load times weren't obscenely long and I gladly spent another 120 hours beating the game again.
>but but muh fps and res
stfu homosexual, you probably don't even have a decent pc. Most people have shit setups(probably including you)
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
>better detail and double the FPS (with gyro aim,which the switch version doesn't have). >mods to boot (mod manager supports proton)
i feel robbed when i got the witcher on switch for like 50-60$ (got it for 15$ on steam), but now it's so much worse
>Steam Deck has made locked down handhelds irrelevant same way PC made locked down consoles irrelevant. This is inevitable. >consoles still sell like wildfire
Better FPS, resolution, and is the pc version so mod support. It can probably run even better if you lock it down to whatever the switch is running at.
If the minor differences in the fps bug you you can always adjust the graphics settings down slightly to hit stable 60fps, or cap the framerate at 48fps.
Deck is a real step forward in making the flexibility of a PC really accessible.
>It has VRR
It has configurable refresh in the 40-60hz range, which is something totally unique to the deck that I have never seen another device do, but that isn't VRR.
Ah ok, but why is there no tearing if it's not locked at the specified framerate then?
Gamescope has its own vsync. Part of the reason there can be so much input delay is because morons have fps capped in gamescope and vsync+frame limiter on in game.
>It has VRR
It has configurable refresh in the 40-60hz range, which is something totally unique to the deck that I have never seen another device do, but that isn't VRR.
Deck also has support for FSR as well so even better performance. You can tweak the settings or even set to 40hz and cap to 40fps for better battery life.
How good is the decks battery life compared to the switch mainly when running it at 60fps? I want a deck but I kinda want to wait until valve releases some better version down the line.
It really depends on the game. The switch has a pretty much fixed battery life without any overclocking through sys-clk, but the deck is much more variable in battery life. Games that don't push the hardware very hard will last longer. The minimum battery life is like 1:50. If you're running a game made in RPG Maker MV, you'll get seven and a half hours. Something like Oblivion or Morrowind will probably get four-ish.
elden ring, rdr2 or something else modern and demanding about 1:30-2 hours. non demanding games like metal gear rising, resident evil 4, sleeping dogs or ps2/gcn emulators 3-4 hours. 40hz lock 5 hours plus.
Right now only Valve is selling them, and there's a decently long backlog. You go into Steam, drop a 5 dollar registration, and they'll email you to complete your purchase when they have one to ship to you
Go to eBay, get the 512GB version, it's the same price as a 64GB one (800 bucks) last time I checked. You won't be getting one for MSRP unless you reserve one at the Steam store... ETA? maybe next year
valve just doubled production so it would probably be less than that, especially when you consider that the bulk of the preorders are within the first few days so the longer they produce units the smaller the window will become
Yeah, and controller support is better than the switch since it can take Switch Pro controllers, Xbox, DS4 and DS4. Or any generic Xinput controller really... Or a mouse and keyboard...
What emu do you use anon? I've rarely bothered emulating 64 games since it's been a hassle in the far past but I'm getting my deck really soon and wouldn't mind playing some Banjo on it.
so far I've only played Banjo-Kazooie (haven't tested Tooie yet), Conker, DK Racing, and Killer Instinct Gold. All have worked with very minimal stuttering. Haven't had a crash yet.
Retroarch is now available on steam and it has several cool features. Like syncing your saves across your account (I have a pc on my TV) and remote play together support, which basically allows you to play any 64 game online. Also shaders and ParallelRDP make the games look perfect. I run it on 2x scale and a mid crt shader and it takes 7W of power (around 5 hours of battery life easy)
t. Tried n64 emulation on my deck as well. Hardware is the only way to go for N64. If it hasn't been sorted by now I'm honestly confident it never will be.
How many people own a Steam Deck again? How many Steam Decks even exist in the world? Like 100k? 200k? THAT (among a few other issues) is why the Steam Deck will never be truly relevant. There are 7 billion people on this planet. In order for a product to matter in the long run, it needs to actually be available for at least 0.01% of the population. Steam Deck isn't really that. And so long as Valve continues to be Valve, it will never be that. This doesn't even get into shit like pricing or advertisement, there just aren't fricking enough of these things to ever truly matter.
>How many people own a Steam Deck again?
About 300k right now, plus 50k more a week from now till the end of the year.
>Steam Deck will never be truly relevant.
In terms of mainstream consoles that sell 100 million plus units, probably not.
However, they're already selling nearly unheard of numbers for a PC.
Just in terms of Steam, they'll likely hit their goal of having more active users on GNU/Linux than MacOS next year, and that will be a fairly major shift that will get developer attention especially with how easy it is to support the Deck.
Fun fact the steam deck is the ONLY system that requires a login to reserve or purchase
Meanwhile a console can be purchased from anyone pratically anywhere.
Steam deck will never be 'big'
>steam deck is the ONLY system that requires a login to reserve or purchase
The effect of this has really just meant that there's a more fair purchase process. No more having to deal with the fact that the crooked store manager only puts one or two out on the shelf and sells the rest out the back on ebay, or Karen turning up and buying out the whole stock.
Everybody takes a number, gets in line, and gets their system when its their turn.
It will be interesting to see what happens first, Valve opening up orders for other regions, or Valve starting to give some amount of the supply to brick and mortar locations.
>Steam deck will never be 'big'
Depends entirely on your definition of 'big', like I said Valve's current goal is fairly humble in putting GNU/Linux ahead of MacOS. It may barely hit 'fail' numbers for consoles depending on how long Valve keeps the current system going for, 10-15 million units over 3-5 years, but for an open platform computer system those are insane numbers not seen since the 80s.
>like I said Valve's current goal is fairly humble in putting GNU/Linux ahead of MacOS.
Wut. No, it isn't. The entire point of the Deck is to push a new form factor onto the mainstream. Linux is completely secondary.
Secondary, but clearly part of whatever Valve's master plan is because Windows is garbage on UMPCs and it's on the record that they'd like other companies to also use SteamOS3 (whenever it's ready for generic use)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't get me wrong, I want nothing more to see Windows frick off and the Linux desktop meme dream become true. But that has nothing to do with what Valve means to accomplish with the Deck, which is primarily to push a form factor which has been sorely needed in the market space, and secondly to push for novel input types because PC shouldn't be shackled to K&M or shitty xinput gamepads in perpetuity. They're essentially pulling a Nintendo in the PC space. This isn't about Linux evangelisation, as much as I wanted it to be. The Deck is OS agnostic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh, no. Don't get me wrong, either. It's definitely not Valve's primary objective. The main objective is just to eke out a permanent market for this class of device. While it's true that the deck UI is OS-agnostic, providing Linux by default also forces people to try Linux even if they remove it ultimately.
Linux is basically just Valve's exit plan for if Microsoft goes full-on Apple lockdown gatekeeper. It's a gun they can hold to Microsoft's head to stop the worst case scenario from happening.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>providing Linux by default also forces people to try Linux even if they remove it ultimately.
It's simply economical. It wouldn't make sense for them to be paying fees to M$. I still giggle to myself whenever I'm reminded of the fact that Microshaft has to pay Sony fees for using BD drives.
As for the Windows lockdown, we're already witnessing them slowly wallgardening themselves and blackboxing even more their shitty dystopian OS. So the writing is on the wall, but the normals will never care because that's how it always goes. But I respect the balls of pushing an Arch distro instead a Debian one like the original SteamOS, it's certainly exciting.
Regardless, the most fascinating thing about this piece of hardware is it being a direct descendant of the Steampad. K&M and xinput homosexualry needs to stop, PC gaymens need to finally understand the possibilities of PC gayming. So yeah, the fat frick is pulling a Nintendo in the PC space, which was sorely, sorely needed.
As for the success of the Steam Deck, it's ultimately irrelevant because it has already achieved what it needed: cultural penetration. People are now aware of the possibilities. Obviously idiots will focus on all the wrong things like how this is a sWiTCh kIllEr or whatever bizarre nonsense animates their shitpostings, when the actual reality is much more exciting than that. It's not about consoles because this is a PC. It's what this means for PC.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I honestly hope they make a Steam Controller 2 that's basically just a deck's controllers. The modular design of the internals makes me think maybe that's actually in the cards.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hope to god they improve the build quality of the bumpers and give the triggers dual stage like the first controller. These bumpers suck absolute dick. Worst part of the entire device by a landslide.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, L1/R1 suck massive balls, honestly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The Deck is OS agnostic.
As far as any PC is OS agnostic. Except that it ships with GNU/Linux using hardware that only works properly on GNU/Linux.
So the vast majority of people aren't going to install a different OS, and the ones that do won't have as good of an experience.
Windows whole continued dominance within the desktop niche market is from it being nearly impossible for normal people to buy a system without Windows pre-installed, and only a tiny percentage of users around 1%, will install another OS. Which is why the most used GNU/Linux distribution ChromeOS got there entirely through being sold pre-installed on cheap laptops.
Deck is just the latest attempt to make a Linux based OS mainstream through making a non-traditional form factor mainstream, and so far these attempts have been fairly successful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Windows dominates not only because the deals they cut with laptop manufacturers but also because professional tools like Autodesk or Adode software suites are not supported on Linux and frick paying the Wine tax and destroying your productivity. So there isn't much you can do there. ChromeOS makes me cringe violently though, I will one day slap the evil mastermind that concocted that vile distro.
Regardless, I still stand by what I said to the other anon. This isn't about Linux, even if we're all clear on the fact that Valve wants distance from Windows, be it for economic reasons or otherwise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sorry anon. Windows dominates ONLY because in the 1980s Microsoft sold IBM an OS they didn't actually own and locked themselves into dominance within their niche.
They've stayed in that position through illegal underhanded methods like threatening OEMs not to ship anything else on their systems by default or pay outrageously high fees.
Semi-pro software which is used by a relatively small number of users doesn't really factor into the equation, and a lot of that is available on more commercial UNIX-like OSes like MacOS X.
Valve may not be using GNU/Linux on the Deck for purely altruistic reasons to promote the OS, but the end result is going to be a lot more users running GNU/Linux based OSes, and that is an outcome that Valve wants because the more users on GNU/Linux, the easier it will be for them to get developer support at least at the level of what MacOS currently enjoys.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>for purely altruistic reasons
It's really just self preservation. Who can blame them? They don't want to end up with microsoft's foot on their neck.
If you had a Deck you'd quickly find that the control layout is one of the best things about it. The trackpads are a godsend for so many games.
Lots of customization and the paddles+gyro adds even more options. It's not awkward to play on at all despite how it looks.
You will literally never convince someone who hasn't spent any time in steam input that the trackpads are a good addition, it doesn't matter that radial menu binds are fricking god tier since it gives you 20 buttons PER trackpad to work with for inventory management, they think their only purpose is a "worse mouse/analog stick"
I would cancel my steam deck reservation right fricking now if valve said they'd just give me the opportunity to buy a Steam Deck Controller that has all the inputs of a steam deck. One of the main reasons I want a steam deck is for its control scheme and linux focus
>Actual cavemen still arguing about stick positions when trackpads, dual stage triggers, back buttons, gyro activation over persistent gyro, and customizing inputs to your liking STILL aren't industry standards
Stick positions have never mattered. There's zero difference between any stick layout, you fricking neanderthal.
It has no value if you already own a PC that can do a better job at emulation and all the things PC is good at. I have zero reason to own one since I have a PC and Switch
This, money talks far louder than words. Unless you homosexuals can somehow force the switch to stop selling everywhere in the world nintendo will keep manufacturing more of them.
Show me a $300 phone in 2017 that was better than the Switch at launch. It's the same argument used to defend the Deck, there's better hardware out there but not at that price.
>he thinks the only thing superior about the deck is the hardware >not the freedom™
The switch is such a locked down and featureless piece of shit, down to not even having soulful themes and backgrounds. >just hack it!
Shouldn't have to.
Not even close to true for the last few years. Consoles like the switch have languished as tech has rocketed past any point of having issues emulating it.
I think the writer has a good point (switch ports are less exciting since there's already a handheld that does them) but he phrased it in the gaygiest most clickbaity way.
No one ever watched directs hoping for ports except purse owner gays
For me at least it's the fact that it does those ports much better. Even the performance on a lot of games made for the Switch like No More Heroes 3, Deadly Premonition 2, Disgaea 6, Rune Factory 5, are garbage. Meanwhile those games run at 60fps on the Deck. And games that get ported later like Death End;Rquest, The Witcher 3, and probably Persona 5 run much better on the Deck with better controls. The paddles and gyro aiming in every game are hugely beneficial.
I'll admit, I've been a nintendo fan my whole life but here lately I couldn't give less of a shit. I pretty much tune in for new announcements.
I might have been excited about ports back when the Switch was new and I was real into it, but nowadays I just don't care unless it's a new game getting announced. And even then, if it's a non-Nintendo game I'll go check to see if it's on PC first after the direct is over so I can go wishlist it on Steam or something.
Facts are facts, homosexual. It's a better device. The number of people that have their hands on one doesn't change that. Consolegays are obsessed with sales to the degree you'd think they were shareholders.
Fact: I can't play smash online with my friends other deck
Fact:the deck runs every game I own on PC shittily in comparison
Fact: this shitty gimmick toy will be forgotten about as quickly as their "revolutionary" controller I bought for $5 on steam
What are you talking about? It's backlogged by a year. Valve can't make them fast enough. It's the best selling UMPC of all time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's the best selling UMPC of all time.
Last report was 77,000 units sold
2 years ago
Anonymous
you pulled that out of your ass
the 70k figure comes from the hardware survey, which is opt in and you aren't guaranteed to get it every month
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you pulled that out of your ass >the 70k figure comes from
You're bad at this
2 years ago
Anonymous
>have evidence that an absolute bare minimum of decks exist >tout it as a total number of units sold
I'm sure you can make a point without being this disingenuous, right?
I mean, nobody can fricking buy one otherwise it would. I have zero desire to get a switch now that steam deck is out, why would I buy a platform that makes me rebuy my games for full price but in worse quality than I can play them on this with?
it lets you play your steam library on the go and unlike switch, if you buy a deck 2 or deck 64 or new super deck in a few years you don't have to rebuy your library
>PC plays more games
Deck is a PC, so this is basically like saying: >Deck plays more games than Deck
Its a different way to play PC games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only one of those devices is actually portable and it doesn't run 1/100th of the number of games the deck does and the ones it does run are a straight up inferior experience.
Only one of those devices is actually portable and it doesn't run 1/100th of the number of games the deck does and the ones it does run are a straight up inferior experience.
Gamespot is a bunch of moronic gays trying to capitalize on clickbait. Do you really take anyone seriously who has a gay pride logo for their profile picture?
Daaaaaaaaad how many Watts should I run this game at. What level FSR? Daaaaaaad it’s not downloading games in sleep mode, so I just keep the screen on??? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad why is the fan control set to off?????
Will that actually affect anything? Legit asking, I assume the processor has a maximum amount of data it can reasonably handle, and have no idea what that would be
Perhaps in the future when DirectStorage and p2p NVMe start becoming more common, but right now? No. Not really. Standard processor-bound workloads have trouble exceeding more than 200 MB/s from doing I/O tests and I have one of the fast SSDs.
unlikely since performance difference between a decent sd card and ssd is already not huge. you really need a fast memory subsystem and a beefy multithreaded processor to take advantage of nvme type speeds... steam deck is squarely in the low power budget area. in fact it might be an effort to reduce power consumption.
Not for gaming because the benchmarks are dishonest. Your harddrive will only be used for single layer deep processes 99% of the time you have to go out of your way to make a massive, sequential list to actually see the performance dropoff. I remember that linus video where he was forcing a SSD to perform bad by copying an entire harddrive and filling the entire SSD which makes any SSD perform like shit.
Run `lspci -vv | less` in a terminal, look for 01:00.0: Non-Volatile memory controller and then look under Capabilities -> LnkSta for that device. It'll say either Width x4 or Width x2.
The chip name is useless to tell how many lanes it's configured for. Post a full lspci -vv on pastebin or something and I'll parse it for you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's just a screen full of ~ marks with an (END) at the bottom.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Don't use | less then. Just run lspci -vv and scroll up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Or whatever, you know what, copy and paste this
lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
2 years ago
Anonymous
If there's no output from this, then put sudo in front. lspci probably needs elevated privelleges come to think of it. And if you can't use sudo, then you need to set a password with passwd so you can actually elevate privelleges. Or, you know, just reboot to the BIOS and check there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sudo asks for a password for the deck. I never set one up for the console. Do I need to make a console password?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I literally just told you the command to set a password, moron.
passwd
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Width: 4x
Whew
2 years ago
Anonymous
(deck@steamdeck ~)$ Ispci -w
bash: Ispci: command not found
(127)(deck@steamdeck ~)$ lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
(1)(deck@steamdeck ~)$ lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
It really doesn't matter at the moment. Even a 4-lane PCI card doesn't reach the full theoretical bandwidth of a 2-lane PCI card even using io_uring. It's really not relevant until we start seeing games use DirectStorage and some kind of p2p NVMe emulation in the Linux kernel. Traditional file access APIs literally are choked by the CPU speed.
I would say that your definition of sucks doesn't apply to the vast majority of emulation. Maybe the majority of emulators targeting contemporary games, but there's a big library of old shit that gets emulated without any issues. I don't have any issues personally, but I also pretty much never try to run new games
I've never had a game be glitched and run poorly while running on a native device. This happens constantly on emulators. You're much better off hacking than emulating.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't say I've ever had a game be glitched and run poorly while emulating. But, again, I hardly push the envelope when it comes to difficulty.
Different anon but before the Switch Nintendo pretty much pandered to them too and got the whole "Nintendo is doomed and should go third party" speech too.
>live in NZ >Steam Deck is not available here
SORRY OUR PRIME MINISTER IS A c**t GABE, WE DIDN'T MEAN IT. WE'LL GIVE YOU RESIDENCY THIS TIME, LET ME BUY A STEAM DECK.
>New Zealand could have finally had decent Internet for once because Gabe was wiling to buy his way into NZ by improving our Internet infrastructure >Government said no
FUUUUUUUUUUCK
They're all really old. Plus our cables run through Australia first and then run all the way to America. Its a huge distance and it sucks. I literally play with 150+ ping for most games constantly, so I just stopped playing multiplayer games.
Seriously? What did the Kiwi Mussolini say?
The application was just declined, even after Gabe organised a fricking thank you concert for having him in NZ as well as a goddamn charity for kids with cancer
japan and consolegays are actually really starry-eyed when it comes to deck. deep down, they have always wanted access to /AlmostEveryMajorReleaseEver/. now that it's packaged like a console company's handheld, they want it
I think the inverse is true as well. I'm definitely part of the crowd who has always just gotten handhelds to supplement my PC, and am very excited to have something that bridges the gap
Honestly, I just like how Valve took a page from Switch homebrew (sys-clk via tesla) and made all the performance tunables easily accessible at any time.
Yes. Get a USB hub that both will supply your Deck with power and has an exit appropriate for your TV. If you don't want to research USB hubs your self just wait for VALVE to start selling its Deck dock.
>steam deck is only relevant if you're a pc gamer, it has no value to console only gamers
Isn't it the other way around? If I didn't have a high-end PC, I'd probably want one just to have decent access to the steam library.
Switch is old
Meaning people who want a portable have had one for years
Deck has superior specs but I don't think that's enough to justify dropping more money on it
Speaking of specs, the infinitesimal improvement of an OLED screen hardly counts as a switch plus, wonder if Nintendo isn't going to have a true higher powered equivalent this gen
>Deck has superior specs but I don't think that's enough to justify dropping more money on it
If all you cared about were the specs and performance of games, it would be extremely stupid to spend $300 on a switch when $100 more gets you so much more.
No UMPC on the market can currently compete with the deck for both price and performance and especially not a switch using a 7 year old tegra. Are you stupid?
And the Switch is a locked-down console with an ARM processor that's running at half the intended clock speed and GPU speed of the SoC due to power requirements. Your point?
If one actually cared about performance, the Switch is pulling miracles on a Tegra chip that no PC tegra equivalent could ever do. Consoles are about optimisation, anon. That and cost effectiveness. PC is ultimately about brute forcing performance with better, more up to date and typically more expensive hardware. I'm not sure why this board fails to understand this fact so hard.
Yes, actually. In order to have a rational discussion, you need to be talking with a rational human being, not a 30 IQ mutt.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're doing an awfully embarrassing job of bluffing your way out of this discussion. It was already very apparent that you had no meaningful input on this topic, so there is no further need to embarrass yourself.
>Consoles are about optimisation, anon.
If the game runs better on deck and has the same or better battery life on deck, then what the frick difference does optimization make to the end user? What kind of ridiculous cope is this? I want the best possible experience. As if vulkan isn't optimized to hell and back anyway.
Steam deck is a PC. A very low spec PC.
Steam deck is a UMPC, that should be compared against other UMPCs. It would be insanity to compare it against a full size PC with a dedicated GPU that doesn't have any size or power constraints.
>If the game runs better on deck and has the same or better battery life on deck, then what the frick difference does optimization make to the end user?
It doesn't. That is why emulation exists. Because frick paying 400 dollars for a SEGA Saturn when brute forcing is simply the better option and even Chromebooks can do it.
Having said that, the Switch is almost ancient tech now. So this isn't apples to apples, it's just shitposting. The Deck is subsidised by Valve for several reasons, so you're not even seeing the true cost of the hardware. And if a Switch 2 released today at the same price target as the Switch, the console would remain fresh for the next half a decade whereas the Deck would definitely struggle as all PCs do.
We're not even talking about emulation. We're just talking about the normal experience the end user feels running games on either. There is no contest over which experience is superior between the two. The reasoning for buying a switch must go beyond the hardware. A normie doesn't even know what a fricking tegra is. They just want to play nintendo games and buy from a reputable brand. It's really that simple. The idea that they can get a better experience on other hardware doesn't even phase them.
>the console would remain fresh for the next half a decade whereas the Deck would definitely struggle as all PCs do
Struggle with what? What do you think optimizing for console even means? It means configuring the game in a way the best suits the target hardware. Your arguments about optimization fall apart when you fail to realize that games aren't designed around obscure console hardware anymore. There is no obscure console hardware anymore. Everything runs x86. Your reasoning is about a decade out of date. A PC user can get anything to run on a toaster by fiddling with settings in the same way a developer has to to get a multiplat to run on switch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>There is no contest over which experience is superior between the two.
Over half a decade technological gap. Yeah, the SNES is better than the NES. So what exactly is even your argument here? Because I am not contending what you're saying in any way, I'm just confused as to what your point is. >There is no obscure console hardware anymore.
In general terms, that is simply not true. While consoles used to sport exotic silica like the Emotion chip and what not, they were always designed in similar fashion as PCs. It's all about how the system manages the pipeline, and even today's more standard console systems are more known quantities that intrinsically benefit from better tailored software. This isn't even a matter of debate. And if you think it is, then please show me an equivalent Tegra PC running Mario Odyssey with the same performance.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>then please show me an equivalent Tegra PC running Mario Odyssey with the same performance
Of course no ARM machine is going to run Odyssey at full speed, moron. Yuzu and RyujiNX and recompiling emulators, not fricking hypervisors.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'm just confused as to what your point is.
What exactly is your obsession with optimization and what does it have to do with literally anything? That's what's confusing here if you're not contesting that the deck is the superior device.
My point is that the only defining feature of the switch, its portability, is now outclassed by a PC with the same level of portability but vastly superior hardware. "good optimization" is not a reason to buy a switch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ease of purchase is why steam deck cannot compete. You can argue this but it's like arguing that grass is made of gold.
2 years ago
Anonymous
checking a box makes steam save payment information
The store, like the rest of the UI is all integrated and seamless. Purchasing something requires pressing the A button a few times. Playing it requires pressing the play button in the library. It's a console experience.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes anon I am sure someone's grandmother is going to set up a steam account to buy this shit for their grandson.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My fricking zoomer nieces have steam accounts. The issue is limited supply, not accessibility.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you believe this, you are mentally moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Normies will buy an objectively inferior product so long as the brand is correct. They want nintendo brand and nintendo games. They don't care about the hardware at all. They don't know what hardware is. That is the mindset of the average consumer. No one is restricted from buying a steam deck because "it's too complicated!"
That is why the deck will never "kill" the switch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What is inaccessible about the steam deck other than valve not being able to produce enough for people to buy?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>My point is that the only defining feature of the switch, its portability, is now outclassed by a PC with the same level of portability but vastly superior hardware.
It's subsidised hardware. And i's new hardware. Nintendo doesn't subsidise anything and they only do price cuts they need to. So this, again, isn't an apples to apples comparison, especially when the Switch also does things that the Deck doesn't like physical media. And in the console space, it's the system with the biggest game library that has ever existed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm convinced this poster is a GPT-3 bot. He's not even making sense anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Seychelles anon broke you or something?
Deck has more games than Switch.
PC is not a console.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Consoles are just PCs with no freedom. Switch is literally an Android device locked down to shit. The like between PCs and consoles have never been more blurred. It's over, consolegay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Consoles are just PCs with no freedom.
Id Soft aren't incompetent bastards. Doom Eternal is a game that runs fine on the Switch and magnificently on PC. But please, please show me a PC with equivalent spec to the Switch running Doom Eternal just as well.
Consoles are simply cost effective. This isn't hard to understand.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Deck is a PC and runs Doom Eternal at 60fps
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're moving the goalpost and I don't know why. Why are you missing the point of what I'm saying?
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are you saying? There's nothing you can say here that makes the switch a good purchase over the deck. It's over dude.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see now. I was arguing with a troll. Shame on me.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eric is like this. He's been shitposting 24/7 for close to a month
2 years ago
Anonymous
>PC is not a console.
Define console and then tell me how PC doesn't fit the definition. I'm really curious.
t. echanon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Deck has more games than Switch.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Better PCs do as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
Deck is a PC. Wow it's almost like PC > consoles or something.
>Good thing deck has both with better hardware
This but desktop over steam deck
Deck is portable.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eric
2 years ago
Anonymous
A laptop is portable too. Only it is also cheaper, has a longer better life, has better performance, and a bigger screen.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's clunky compared to the deck and you have to carry around separate mouse and gamepad. it's the same as saying what's the point of the switch when you can play ryujinx on laptop, not comfy at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Physical media
It can take sd cards you know, right?
That's the exact same fricking thing as your switch carts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No OP wants pokemon stickers on his SD card.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's subsidised hardware
What does this even mean? Subsidized by what? Tax payers?? What the frick are you trying to say? How is Valve funding its own hardware different than Nintendo funding its own hardware?
Valve, like any console manufacturer is pushing hardware that may or may not have a margin in the positives because they are backing it with their own platform and hoping to make the difference back that way. That's how all of these platforms work. The only difference in the formula is Valve gives its customers an unprecedented choice in storefront and general freedom over the device where consoles don't.
You're moving the goalpost and I don't know why. Why are you missing the point of what I'm saying?
Your point doesn't make any sense. I pick up a deck and play doom eternal and it's a better experience than on switch. I pick up a deck and play any switch multiplat and it's a better experience. Why would I restrict myself to whatever hardware you're talking about? I have access to better hardware.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What does this even mean? Subsidized by what? Tax payers?? What the frick are you trying to say? How is Valve funding its own hardware different than Nintendo funding its own hardware?
I'm tired of this nonsense. If you're seriously asking this stupid questions, you have no idea what I'm saying at all. >Why would I restrict myself to whatever hardware you're talking about?
When did I ever said that you have to? That wasn't the point I was making at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you have no idea what I'm saying at all.
Correct, and you refuse to elaborate. What does subsidize mean in this context and how is it any different from what Nintendo has been doing since forever?
>That wasn't the point I was making at all.
Then elaborate. I'm on a wild goose chase here looking for an argument. Any time I pin you down with obvious facts you just say "that's not what I meant!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What does subsidize mean in this context and how is it any different from what Nintendo has been doing since forever?
This is common vocabulary in hobbyist forums, anon. If you don't know what people are talking about then you can simply ask. Don't ask like an ass.
Nintendo doesn't subsidise hardware. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand cut into their margins on the short term so that they can profit from software sales. Valve has employed a similar strategy but not necessarily because of promoting their own platform, although that is certainly part of it. The point is that you're not seeing the true cost of the hardware. And to this point, the Deck was famous for being the best gaming PC in its price point. Valve's entire strategy here is not about hardware success or even necessarily promoting their platform, it's about pushing a form factor. >Any time I pin you down with obvious facts you just say "that's not what I meant!"
I dislike repeating myself. My argument is that consoles and PCs are not comparable. Consoles have a better shelf life for several different reasons, they're evergreens because at least in theory software is tailor made for the system and you can squeeze outstanding levels of performance for the price point. PCs cannot compete with this, so the entire discussion of PC vs consoles is completely meaningless and ignores what both solutions are better suited for.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nintendo doesn't subsidise hardware. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand cut into their margins on the short term so that they can profit from software sales.
So what you're saying is that only Nintendo is cheap enough to give you 7 year old hardware and make a profit while every other console manufacturer is willing to make the margin as tight as possible. I don't see why this is a good thing.
>Consoles have a better shelf life for several different reasons,
But they really don't, they are regularly well beyond their shelf life by the time they release when compared against available hardware on the market and it shows. That is a huge part of the reason why PC hardware outclasses consoles so consistently. Developers will try to stretch out their shelf life but the experience still sucks because they have to obey the laws of physics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>So what you're saying is that only Nintendo is cheap enough to give you 7 year old hardware and make a profit while every other console manufacturer is willing to make the margin as tight as possible.
Why are you being obtuse? What I'm saying is that you're currently witnessing an exotic market situation in the PC space that in all likelihood will not repeat itself. Make of that what you will. >But they really don't, they are regularly well beyond their shelf life by the time they release when compared against available hardware on the market and it shows.
I really dislike obtuseness, anon. You're either playing the fool to keep the argument going or you're an actual silly man.
Again, this is objective fact. These are products with different strengths and weaknesses. And you deluding yourself thinking that PC is the end all be all is simply another kind of fanboyism.
>It would be insanity to compare it against a full size PC with a dedicated GPU that doesn't have any size or power constraints.
Its not that crazy, a lot of Windows users running Steam have systems worse than the Deck.
Very few users really have high end systems these days, the point of diminishing returns for typical resolutions at normal viewing distances is pretty low.
The main problem users start running into is just having hardware that's aged out of support.
>people play console games for the optimization
People play console games because they are moron baby mode plug and play. The deck already has that kind of experience so the switch doesn't even have that advantage in this case.
I'm not sure who you're quoting because I never said that. Normals don't give a flying frick about the optimisation benefits of consoles. It is simply a matter of fact that consoles are much more highly optimised systems than PCs will ever be.
>It is simply a matter of fact that consoles are much more highly optimised systems than PCs will ever be.
If no one gives a frick then how is that relevant, even if you take it at face value?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If no one gives a frick then how is that relevant,
Bad for you then that people give a frick.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"I'm buying this console because I know the game optimization is good"
said no consolegay ever
do you even hear yourself?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I look at specs when deciding between an Xbox or playstation or various levels of revisions so you're wrong
2 years ago
Anonymous
This guy isn't even talking about hardware specs though. He's talking about "software optimization". Is "software optimization" something you consider when making a purchase or is it raw hardware power?
2 years ago
Anonymous
A bit of both
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is certainly that consumers benefit from when purchasing consoles, whether they are aware of it or not.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Corporations benefit, you mean.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sure, anon. "Corporations". What a stupid fricking discussion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
More moronic sheep = more money. That fricking simple, lad.
>wonder if Nintendo isn't going to have a true higher powered equivalent this gen
I'm willing to bet my left nut this won't happen. Pro systems are moronic and Nintendo knows it. They'll probably follow it up with a Gameboyesque tech progression, but never pro systems like MS or Sony did.
the article that made every tendie cry because they can't cope that a device does their gimmick and can play more than their lackluster lineup and at better performance
The steam deck is an insanely good buy. The biggest killer of new players in the console market is not gaving enough of a market share so that companies dont make any games for it. The steam deck just gets around that by just having the already massive PC library.
Who says they don't already have one? A ridiculously huge advantage of the deck that almost no one talks about is the fact that you have full access to all the games you've already been buying over the years and pretty much seamless cloud save syncing between deck and PC.
There is something really appealing about having full access to my steam library where ever I go. There is a really nice feeling being able to pick up a game I was just playing to walk away while booting my PC saves and resuming right from where I left off on a handheld thanks to steam cloud.
Good gaming laptops are way more expensive than the deck, bigger than the deck, and not as convenient as the deck. There's really no reason to get a laptop for gaming over a deck or similar UMPC.
I'll never understand why tendies try. Anything you can possibly cope with gets instantly BTFO. The deck is just better, and all you do is sit in deck threads all day bumping them so more anons can see the thread and read about how better the deck is. I didn't even think to reserve one until I learned more about the deck in threads like these.
You have to understand how mentally ill these people are. They seriously think they're helping Nintendo who they see as their friend. Nintendo cultism gets so buried in these people's heads because of how long Nintendo has been in their life.
I would define donating your time to a cause without pay as volunteer work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gabe will never be your dad no matter how hard you shill his product
2 years ago
Anonymous
If a device comes around with better specs than the Steam Deck that also has trackpads I will absolutely jump ship. I'm a linuxtard, not a brand loyalist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If a device comes around with better specs
Any desktop PC
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn didn't know you could get a desktop pc with trackpads built in
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not goalpost moving when he literally said "with trackpads" in his post you illiterate Black person
2 years ago
Anonymous
Of the same class of device, correction. I already have a $2000 PC.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Post specs
2 years ago
Anonymous
64 GB RAM
Radeon RX 6800 XT
Ryzen 9 3900X
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nice toaster
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what happens when you wait and have to buy the GPU above MSRP. I didn't have a choice. I'm planning to replace the processor with a 16-core Zen 3 here eventually.
2 years ago
Anonymous
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Why would anyone shill the deck? Have you seen the wait times already? Cancel your reservation b***h I want mine earlier.
When GabeN is no longer at the head of Valve, all your thousands of dollars of digital games will be in extreme jeopardy. And no you can't just keep them all installed.
The Switch's real threat from the Deck is mindshare in enthusiasts gaming communities like it does here. The reality is that it can play indies and third parties better and that there are more of them than Nintendo can support on the Switch won't affect the average consumer this generation but it's certainly one step away from Valve actually making a move with a possible Steam Deck 2 to get them in your Best Buy at least or other computer store to directly compete. Of course, one still has to contend with the people who want first party games from Nintendo but how many of those people are really there? Who really knows especially when with the younger gaming demographics, many are going to be more open to PC anyways due to games like Minecraft, Roblox, and Fortnite being best played which the Steam Deck can't really play half of those yet but it is certainly in the danger zone for Nintendo the longer they wait to refresh this generation.
>it's literally impossible to buy a steam deck >everyone already has a switch to the point there's already next gen talk
the worst here is people buying both. nintendo has no threat here.
Steam deck is a clunky device with a clunky software still. The effort to connect it to tv is way above the threshold for normies compared to the simple tv dock design found in the switch. The amount of effort to emulate and install games in the deck is reserved for neckbeard kind and the occasional tech journos/tourist.
>This console is only relevant if you're a PC gamer. This console has no value to console gamers.
Why are toddlers so dumb?
Because being dumb is a requirement to be a consoletard
Switch users are really fricking dumb man, look at this board.
He's right tho
Explain. Dont use stupid memes, just be logical.
Does it really need an explanation? console gamers have never and will never care about PC whether it's portable or not, why do you think cell phones are the laughing stock of gaming?
>console gamers love eating shit
we know
Good for you. Doesn’t change the fact that he is still right.
Because cell phone games are actually almost universally trash aside from low end ports of things like old final fantasy games.
People who exclusively game on console are pretty moronic, they're like applegays, they just want everything handed to them in a really simple moron proof package, and they want to be told what to buy.
They don't want to use their brains, that's the fundamental problem.
totally false, I never built a pc in my life and the SteamDeck tickles my pickle as someone who skipped PS5 and Xbox
hell it tickles my pickle as finally having a Switch 2, which it pretty much is so suck it
>and the SteamDeck tickles my pickle as someone who skipped PS5 and Xbox
Are you joking? It's not for the PS5 and Xbox games, it's for emulating around PS2/GC era while dipping its toes into PS3 and games roughly in the PS4/Xbone era that are natively on PC.
>and games roughly in the PS4/Xbone era that are natively on PC
bro, it can run more than that
We don't even have PS5/Xbox games yet. The closest is what, Forza 5? Microsoft Flight Simulator? Both videos I see of those have fairly large drops from 60 and 30 respectively even on all low at 800p.
So exactly as I said. Native games on PC that are roughly from the PS4/Xbone era which is what you listed. I don't know why you're arguing since everything you listed is from gen 7 back. People will be able to drop the quality settings but for how long before it needs to start dropping the resolution below 800p and how much are you willing to tolerate? For me it's an emulation machine, not a modern PC.
My bad I read your post wrong, I saw it as "dipping toes into PS4 era games". I don't see the appeal of playing demanding games like elden ring or rdr2 at 30fps with short battery life so I'm using it for emulation and pre 2016ish PC games, although some newer games supposedly run extremely well like RE8 or DMCV.
>Native games on PC that are roughly from the PS4/Xbone era
Black person, cyberpunk is a 2 year old game.
Yes, a PS4/Xbone era game.
You might as well just concede that it runs everything at this point.
Do consoletards really group shit into generations instead of checking minimum and recommended specs?
Do PC vegans really not own a single piece of physical hardware and pay 300% over MSRP?
Not my problem. I paid MSRP on launch for my 3080, PS5 and Steam deck.
Nope
>do console tards really?
>I own consoles
Wow
I bought my parts right before everything crashed from covid for MSRP. I was relentlessly mocked by waitgays telling me I should wait for the 3000 series. I got my deck a little over a week ago too and paid MSRP as well.
It runs cyberpunk better then the ps4 my man. I played through assassin's creed 3 and shadow of mordor at locked 60fps too, not the latest games but hey they run at 30fps on the consoles and I'm not a fan of 30fps so I'm not playing elden ring or rdr2 on it. I got dark souls ptde locked at 50 and dark souls 2 locked 60 aswell, didn't try 3 yet.
utter fricking moron lmao. your feelings over a faceless company 8s getting to you
I'll be logical. Physical games are most valued among console gamers. You can compare the disc versions of consoles to the digital ones and they sell far more.
>Buy Steam Deck for $400
>You no longer have to pay $15-30 for every indie released in the past decade
>You no longer have to pay $60 for every mid to large game of the past decade
>$400 in savings in less than a year
All free on my Switch and PC
And by extension free on your steam deck
>Why are toddlers so dumb?
Because it's a correlation
If you play Steam games on it, and Steam is not on consoles...do I need to continue?
Yeah, I'm sure you can formulate a complete sentence if you set your mind to it. Ganbare!
That's your response? Really?
Mile better than the garabage you came up with
So tell me, what do you play on Deck? You need Steam. If you have it and have games, good, now you can play them on the go.
Why would Xbox or PS user buy a Deck?
The better question is why you're not an idort yet in 2022.
Hm. I have PC, PS4, and Switch.
PS3, X360, and PS TV from older gen. I'm good, thx
nta but I see less reason for an idort to buy a deck
>bro I'm an idort I own a PS5 and a Steam deck
Lmao
You literally don’t need anything else at this point
Yes I do
All you really deserve, honestly. Being a passive aggressive homosexual gets you nowhere.
>This console
It's not a console
Also it's digital only
ewww
So is the Series S and it's the most popular console besides switch, also your games are not tied to the Steam Deck in the same way your xbox games are only tied to MS consoles
>so is other thing that sucks ass
It is a console; a Handheld Console, anon.
>Also it's digital only
I've got a USB Floppy drive around here somewhere, and my old TIE-Fighter disks.
Would be silly, but I could definitely use physical media to install a game on the Deck.
>toddlers
it's consoles in general. it's crazy to me, but xbox fans are probably the most decent out of the three
Agree, but only because Xbots aren't relevant most of the time. Tendiemanbabies are still the most obnoxious here, though. Acting chummy and hiding behind "Big Bros" Xbox and PC anons like the snivelling cowards they are when shitting on Snoyhomosexuals, then revealing their scummy moron selves when emulation topics come up.
The average console gamer has an IQ of 80.
>Why are toddlers so dumb
Because their brain haven't fully developed yet, silly anon.
He has it wrong anyways. Someone with just a PS5 or Xbox would get tons of mileage from a steam deck acting as a portable gaming device and cheap toaster PC. It might even help them realize how much better PC gaming is and go all in on a nice rig, ditching console gaming for good.
Only switch cultists seethe at the deck. It invalidates 95% of the switch library with better hardware.
this is what Ganker does to the mentally ill
Hrs completely right and mentally sane.
Nobody with a switch “seethes” at the deck. This is something Ganker planted in your mind. I think the deck is cool, and plan to get one once a revision comes out. However you are a braindead Black personmonkey if you think the deck has ANY impact on the switch market.
You've literally been seething at the deck all year.
>I have been shilling the deck all year
Yeah
>lie about the deck
>get corrected
>that's somehow "shilling"
What lie?
Tendies lie because, well, what else can they do? The only truth they can say about the switch is it sells more than the deck, which is true and why they like saying it. Otherwise, all they can do is lie about the deck or else admit it's superior.
What lie?
>nuh sales
There it is. It's all that matters to them in the end, because it's all they have
>replying to bait that obvious
>he thinks tendies are baiting
Good. Don't clog up the queue more than it already is. Keep buying switch games and stay away.
>Nobody with a switch “seethes” at the deck.
maybe you don't personally, but that definitely isn't true
This. deck and piracy have no impact because only a minority in involved with both.
No one cares about that though. It's a total non sequitor. Switch can sell 500m units tomorrow and I still won't buy one because the deck is better.
And I wont buy deck even if steam dr*nes keep shilling it
Nobody wants you to. It's got limited production, we're here to talk to the people who have already reserved one or gotten theirs, not irrelevant shitposters
108 million, keep seething
It's a handheld that can run tens of thousands of games without jailbreaking or voiding the device's warranty. That alone mogs the Switch enough to steal interest.
big true
*runs yuzu*
pshh, nothing personnel kid
Serious question, how the heck do you play on yuzu/ryujinx without getting random crash? Those fricker refused to play games longer than an hour
You just launch it to watch it chug while it renders at 4k, take a few screenshots, then you go to your favorite forum to tell everyone how you emulated it.
You pirate early access build.
Or just compile the code from pineappleEA.
Nice will try later ty
Xtaxr
>playing games at 15fps with bugs, glitches and crashes is....LE GOOD
works on my dick
Every Switch game on deck runs better than it does on the switch with zero bugs
But that's completely false? You don't own a Deck.
haha
me
>chromium
disgusting anon
>ryujinx
wait, does this mean microsoft made C# open and crossplatform? I sure fricking hope so, java is insufferably pajeet
C# has been a non-windows thing for a long time now. You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
k
>You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
Oh so it's not a problem then because you'd want to use the GUI/graphics libraries of the host OS anyways. Thanks anon
only if you're a yuzutroony
>You just can't use standard windows libraries like forms if you want support for other platforms
Doesn't Mono take care of that?
Yes. Also .NET core. And it's not winforms that has problems, it's WPF/XAML.
If the game has a native port like Rise, sure, no contest. Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
>Emulating switch has pretty shit performance on deck outside of a few light load titles like Metroid Dread.
not my experience tbh, runs most games as good as a switch
>as good as a switch
That's what he said.
I've been able to play everything at a stable 30fps on mine. This includes games that the switch chugs on and dips into the 20s when trying to do the same thing.
What's this 15fps and bugs glitches and crashes bullshit you're talking about? It's stronger than the switch by fricking lightyears.
This is so easily verifiable, why even lie? Like it's a google search away you idiot.
Most of the games revealed during the last Direct literally have a Steam release
>moronic take
>Puerto Rican flag
Iconic duo
??? you mean blue check?
How will tendie gays ever recover?
His right, console owners love eating shit and Steamdeck isnt shit.
I ordered it with the idea of trying it out but it has ruined every other handheld for me, I gave the shitty switch to my 7yo nephew since now I can emulate everything on a vastly superior hardware and with an ever growing library
>gamespot
Good, frick shitspot
It also can run the pc version of censored games on the switch
I don't blame them. Nintendo's E3 shit was about third party games that will just run better on PC or a Steam Deck.
My Switch is just for first party Nintendo games, which have pretty much run completely dry at this point.
Nintendo is already in the phase out period and are obviously focusing on the next system.
>the switch is already 5 years old
jesus frick why is time moving so fast
>giving a shit about the opinions of game journalists
Of course this simpleton alternative to an actual desktop computer appeals to them.
it's a decent point, ports lose their value when you already have something that can play them. and in the case of the deck, play them better.
good luck getting a deck though, lack of supply is going to continue to hold it back.
Steam Deck has made locked down handhelds irrelevant same way PC made locked down consoles irrelevant. This is inevitable.
If you think Witcher 3 looks like ass on the Switch, try running Ark survival on the switch lool.
Biggest flop of a game on the console
Witcher 3 on the Switch is the definition of "just because you can doesn't mean you should"
I would do it. 60fps at low settings, worth it
>60fps
>on Switch
lmao no
Maybe with an overclock but definitely not under normal conditions
oh sorry I thought you said SD
Did you miss the webm showing how it runs on a switch posted right above?
tendies can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps nor can they tell the difference between 360p bilinear upscaled to 720p vs native 720p
don't bother
>tendies can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps
No one can. The human eye can't detect any meaningful difference.
I've beaten Witcher 3 on multiple times on PC and decided to get the Switch ver because it was on sale at the time. Playing it on Switch was perfectly fine for me and I'm not one of the homosexuals who cant tell the difference between fps. I'm just not a stuck up homosexual who is 60+ or it's impossible to play. Load times weren't obscenely long and I gladly spent another 120 hours beating the game again.
>but but muh fps and res
stfu homosexual, you probably don't even have a decent pc. Most people have shit setups(probably including you)
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
not everyone is fine with 500p and 22fps in 2022
>better detail and double the FPS (with gyro aim,which the switch version doesn't have).
>mods to boot (mod manager supports proton)
i feel robbed when i got the witcher on switch for like 50-60$ (got it for 15$ on steam), but now it's so much worse
Christ, and a Steam Deck just costs 100 bucks more
don't forget the game is like 5 times the price on switch
Switch was five years ago to be fair
99.9% of electronics get cheaper with time. israelitetendo's overpriced pos hardware on the other hand...
So were plenty of its most popular games and their still being sold at full price.
also without moronera/noa censorship
Nintendo relies on switch/game sales profits to make money
SD is a zero profit venture for Steam
>Steam Deck has made locked down handhelds irrelevant same way PC made locked down consoles irrelevant. This is inevitable.
>consoles still sell like wildfire
>Steamed Dick has made locked down handhelds irrelevant same way PC made Steamed Dick irrelevant
Fixed
>consoles still sell like wildfire
>he doesn't know
So Deck version runs with better fps...but unstable?
Better FPS, resolution, and is the pc version so mod support. It can probably run even better if you lock it down to whatever the switch is running at.
If the minor differences in the fps bug you you can always adjust the graphics settings down slightly to hit stable 60fps, or cap the framerate at 48fps.
Deck is a real step forward in making the flexibility of a PC really accessible.
It has VRR and is a PC so settings are adjustable. You could lock it to 50fps or even 40 and bump up the graphics more.
Anon, the deck does not have VRR, it has arbitrary fixed refresh rates between 40 and 60. Please do not mix that up with VRR.
Ah ok, but why is there no tearing if it's not locked at the specified framerate then?
Gamescope has its own vsync. Part of the reason there can be so much input delay is because morons have fps capped in gamescope and vsync+frame limiter on in game.
Vsync. Also, it does tear without it, but the panel is sideways so it tears vertically instead of horizontally.
Because of Wayland. It works like enhanced sync on Windows.
Impressive, very nice.
>It has VRR
It has configurable refresh in the 40-60hz range, which is something totally unique to the deck that I have never seen another device do, but that isn't VRR.
Deck also has support for FSR as well so even better performance. You can tweak the settings or even set to 40hz and cap to 40fps for better battery life.
Have no idea how anyone's willing to play anything at 30fps 720p in the current year of our Lord
Realizing switch users actually play and accept games at 480p 30fps in 2022 was a blackpill.
How good is the decks battery life compared to the switch mainly when running it at 60fps? I want a deck but I kinda want to wait until valve releases some better version down the line.
It really depends on the game. The switch has a pretty much fixed battery life without any overclocking through sys-clk, but the deck is much more variable in battery life. Games that don't push the hardware very hard will last longer. The minimum battery life is like 1:50. If you're running a game made in RPG Maker MV, you'll get seven and a half hours. Something like Oblivion or Morrowind will probably get four-ish.
elden ring, rdr2 or something else modern and demanding about 1:30-2 hours. non demanding games like metal gear rising, resident evil 4, sleeping dogs or ps2/gcn emulators 3-4 hours. 40hz lock 5 hours plus.
Can twitter posting just be banned already?
>my feeling hurt
>rainbow colored logo
do valvetrannies really
Didn't read but I'm going to assume it's "The Switch isn't the best place to get your indies to go anymore, plus Steam has sales."
That settles it, I want a steam deck.
When can I get one?
Right now only Valve is selling them, and there's a decently long backlog. You go into Steam, drop a 5 dollar registration, and they'll email you to complete your purchase when they have one to ship to you
Go to eBay, get the 512GB version, it's the same price as a 64GB one (800 bucks) last time I checked. You won't be getting one for MSRP unless you reserve one at the Steam store... ETA? maybe next year
>That cope at the bottom
>want to buy one
>wait a year
lol
valve just doubled production so it would probably be less than that, especially when you consider that the bulk of the preorders are within the first few days so the longer they produce units the smaller the window will become
>wait 9 months
LMAO
if you preordered on day 1 you’d already have yours
lol, still had to wait, going to buy the competitor's device though.
Can it even connect to a TV though?
you can connect it to a usb c hub and get access to hdmi out, yeah
Yeah, and controller support is better than the switch since it can take Switch Pro controllers, Xbox, DS4 and DS4. Or any generic Xinput controller really... Or a mouse and keyboard...
because linux
It's better than the switch. You can just run emulators and play switch games anyway. I hate Nintendo subhumans.
>mfw posting from my deck and playing N64 games
i can't believe people pay nintendo to play their old games
What emu do you use anon? I've rarely bothered emulating 64 games since it's been a hassle in the far past but I'm getting my deck really soon and wouldn't mind playing some Banjo on it.
Rosalie's Mupen GUI. So far so good since for whatever reason M64p would not work.
Thanks anon, will take note of that. How does it perform on the more intense titles?
so far I've only played Banjo-Kazooie (haven't tested Tooie yet), Conker, DK Racing, and Killer Instinct Gold. All have worked with very minimal stuttering. Haven't had a crash yet.
Retroarch is now available on steam and it has several cool features. Like syncing your saves across your account (I have a pc on my TV) and remote play together support, which basically allows you to play any 64 game online. Also shaders and ParallelRDP make the games look perfect. I run it on 2x scale and a mid crt shader and it takes 7W of power (around 5 hours of battery life easy)
>Emulating N64 of all fricking things
I have an everdrive and a CRT for that because N64 emulation is the biggest meme on earth
It's not 2008 anymore grandpa, N64 emulation is good now
No it's fricking not.
t. Tried n64 emulation on my deck as well. Hardware is the only way to go for N64. If it hasn't been sorted by now I'm honestly confident it never will be.
just an example anon, as people have to pay for switch online plus tip if they wanna play it on their Switch.
>t. Scrimblo
You couldn't even choose better games to play?
>console only gamers
So... children who happened to get a console as a present and gigacasual boomers?
>sneed deck has no value
FTFY
How many people own a Steam Deck again? How many Steam Decks even exist in the world? Like 100k? 200k? THAT (among a few other issues) is why the Steam Deck will never be truly relevant. There are 7 billion people on this planet. In order for a product to matter in the long run, it needs to actually be available for at least 0.01% of the population. Steam Deck isn't really that. And so long as Valve continues to be Valve, it will never be that. This doesn't even get into shit like pricing or advertisement, there just aren't fricking enough of these things to ever truly matter.
>How many people own a Steam Deck again?
About 300k right now, plus 50k more a week from now till the end of the year.
>Steam Deck will never be truly relevant.
In terms of mainstream consoles that sell 100 million plus units, probably not.
However, they're already selling nearly unheard of numbers for a PC.
Just in terms of Steam, they'll likely hit their goal of having more active users on GNU/Linux than MacOS next year, and that will be a fairly major shift that will get developer attention especially with how easy it is to support the Deck.
Fun fact the steam deck is the ONLY system that requires a login to reserve or purchase
Meanwhile a console can be purchased from anyone pratically anywhere.
Steam deck will never be 'big'
You aren't disagreeing with him
>steam deck is the ONLY system that requires a login to reserve or purchase
The effect of this has really just meant that there's a more fair purchase process. No more having to deal with the fact that the crooked store manager only puts one or two out on the shelf and sells the rest out the back on ebay, or Karen turning up and buying out the whole stock.
Everybody takes a number, gets in line, and gets their system when its their turn.
It will be interesting to see what happens first, Valve opening up orders for other regions, or Valve starting to give some amount of the supply to brick and mortar locations.
>Steam deck will never be 'big'
Depends entirely on your definition of 'big', like I said Valve's current goal is fairly humble in putting GNU/Linux ahead of MacOS. It may barely hit 'fail' numbers for consoles depending on how long Valve keeps the current system going for, 10-15 million units over 3-5 years, but for an open platform computer system those are insane numbers not seen since the 80s.
Copium
is true moron, steamdeck has very low availability due to low production ie a low goal
>like I said Valve's current goal is fairly humble in putting GNU/Linux ahead of MacOS.
Wut. No, it isn't. The entire point of the Deck is to push a new form factor onto the mainstream. Linux is completely secondary.
Secondary, but clearly part of whatever Valve's master plan is because Windows is garbage on UMPCs and it's on the record that they'd like other companies to also use SteamOS3 (whenever it's ready for generic use)
Don't get me wrong, I want nothing more to see Windows frick off and the Linux desktop meme dream become true. But that has nothing to do with what Valve means to accomplish with the Deck, which is primarily to push a form factor which has been sorely needed in the market space, and secondly to push for novel input types because PC shouldn't be shackled to K&M or shitty xinput gamepads in perpetuity. They're essentially pulling a Nintendo in the PC space. This isn't about Linux evangelisation, as much as I wanted it to be. The Deck is OS agnostic.
Oh, no. Don't get me wrong, either. It's definitely not Valve's primary objective. The main objective is just to eke out a permanent market for this class of device. While it's true that the deck UI is OS-agnostic, providing Linux by default also forces people to try Linux even if they remove it ultimately.
Linux is basically just Valve's exit plan for if Microsoft goes full-on Apple lockdown gatekeeper. It's a gun they can hold to Microsoft's head to stop the worst case scenario from happening.
>providing Linux by default also forces people to try Linux even if they remove it ultimately.
It's simply economical. It wouldn't make sense for them to be paying fees to M$. I still giggle to myself whenever I'm reminded of the fact that Microshaft has to pay Sony fees for using BD drives.
As for the Windows lockdown, we're already witnessing them slowly wallgardening themselves and blackboxing even more their shitty dystopian OS. So the writing is on the wall, but the normals will never care because that's how it always goes. But I respect the balls of pushing an Arch distro instead a Debian one like the original SteamOS, it's certainly exciting.
Regardless, the most fascinating thing about this piece of hardware is it being a direct descendant of the Steampad. K&M and xinput homosexualry needs to stop, PC gaymens need to finally understand the possibilities of PC gayming. So yeah, the fat frick is pulling a Nintendo in the PC space, which was sorely, sorely needed.
As for the success of the Steam Deck, it's ultimately irrelevant because it has already achieved what it needed: cultural penetration. People are now aware of the possibilities. Obviously idiots will focus on all the wrong things like how this is a sWiTCh kIllEr or whatever bizarre nonsense animates their shitpostings, when the actual reality is much more exciting than that. It's not about consoles because this is a PC. It's what this means for PC.
I honestly hope they make a Steam Controller 2 that's basically just a deck's controllers. The modular design of the internals makes me think maybe that's actually in the cards.
I hope to god they improve the build quality of the bumpers and give the triggers dual stage like the first controller. These bumpers suck absolute dick. Worst part of the entire device by a landslide.
Yeah, L1/R1 suck massive balls, honestly.
>The Deck is OS agnostic.
As far as any PC is OS agnostic. Except that it ships with GNU/Linux using hardware that only works properly on GNU/Linux.
So the vast majority of people aren't going to install a different OS, and the ones that do won't have as good of an experience.
Windows whole continued dominance within the desktop niche market is from it being nearly impossible for normal people to buy a system without Windows pre-installed, and only a tiny percentage of users around 1%, will install another OS. Which is why the most used GNU/Linux distribution ChromeOS got there entirely through being sold pre-installed on cheap laptops.
Deck is just the latest attempt to make a Linux based OS mainstream through making a non-traditional form factor mainstream, and so far these attempts have been fairly successful.
Windows dominates not only because the deals they cut with laptop manufacturers but also because professional tools like Autodesk or Adode software suites are not supported on Linux and frick paying the Wine tax and destroying your productivity. So there isn't much you can do there. ChromeOS makes me cringe violently though, I will one day slap the evil mastermind that concocted that vile distro.
Regardless, I still stand by what I said to the other anon. This isn't about Linux, even if we're all clear on the fact that Valve wants distance from Windows, be it for economic reasons or otherwise.
Sorry anon. Windows dominates ONLY because in the 1980s Microsoft sold IBM an OS they didn't actually own and locked themselves into dominance within their niche.
They've stayed in that position through illegal underhanded methods like threatening OEMs not to ship anything else on their systems by default or pay outrageously high fees.
Semi-pro software which is used by a relatively small number of users doesn't really factor into the equation, and a lot of that is available on more commercial UNIX-like OSes like MacOS X.
Valve may not be using GNU/Linux on the Deck for purely altruistic reasons to promote the OS, but the end result is going to be a lot more users running GNU/Linux based OSes, and that is an outcome that Valve wants because the more users on GNU/Linux, the easier it will be for them to get developer support at least at the level of what MacOS currently enjoys.
>for purely altruistic reasons
It's really just self preservation. Who can blame them? They don't want to end up with microsoft's foot on their neck.
Its the best handheld I've ever owned and that's all that really matters to me.
>people falling for console war clickbait article to this day
>buys pc
>to play Nintendo games
Yikes
The control scheme alone makes it not worth it in comparison as a handheld.
Control sticks are bad enough without being level with each other.
If you had a Deck you'd quickly find that the control layout is one of the best things about it. The trackpads are a godsend for so many games.
Lots of customization and the paddles+gyro adds even more options. It's not awkward to play on at all despite how it looks.
You will literally never convince someone who hasn't spent any time in steam input that the trackpads are a good addition, it doesn't matter that radial menu binds are fricking god tier since it gives you 20 buttons PER trackpad to work with for inventory management, they think their only purpose is a "worse mouse/analog stick"
I would cancel my steam deck reservation right fricking now if valve said they'd just give me the opportunity to buy a Steam Deck Controller that has all the inputs of a steam deck. One of the main reasons I want a steam deck is for its control scheme and linux focus
>Actual cavemen still arguing about stick positions when trackpads, dual stage triggers, back buttons, gyro activation over persistent gyro, and customizing inputs to your liking STILL aren't industry standards
Stick positions have never mattered. There's zero difference between any stick layout, you fricking neanderthal.
>it's a 'can't start a deck thread without talking about nintendo' thread
>no value
>can emulate every nintendo plus ps2
It has no value if you already own a PC that can do a better job at emulation and all the things PC is good at. I have zero reason to own one since I have a PC and Switch
>is a better experience than Super Mario 3D All-Scam in your way
why are people into that kiddie shit?
It has that garbo visuals because its made for 6y old mobile hardware
>console only gamer
You either play games or you don't, what's with this fricking arbitrary compartmentalization
>newer hardware outperforms five years older machine
n-no way...
It begs the question why cant nintendo do something about there being 5y old machine as their flagship product
They're not going to replace the switch until it stops selling.
This, money talks far louder than words. Unless you homosexuals can somehow force the switch to stop selling everywhere in the world nintendo will keep manufacturing more of them.
actually it was 3yo phone outperforms switch at launch
Show me a $300 phone in 2017 that was better than the Switch at launch. It's the same argument used to defend the Deck, there's better hardware out there but not at that price.
If only the Switch's tech was actually just 5 years old.
>he thinks the only thing superior about the deck is the hardware
>not the freedom™
The switch is such a locked down and featureless piece of shit, down to not even having soulful themes and backgrounds.
>just hack it!
Shouldn't have to.
Hacking and homebrew on native hardware > emulation
Not even close to true for the last few years. Consoles like the switch have languished as tech has rocketed past any point of having issues emulating it.
I'm not talking about the last few years tho?
I love stuttering when compiling shaders. Pure soul.
This is literal bullshit. Unless you're using an actual pos the switch has zero emulation problems.
Eric
>chinlet
>balding
>fat
No wonder he is constantly shitposting. To hide the pain.
tf does that have to do with shitendo? cause it emulates? so fricking what
I think the writer has a good point (switch ports are less exciting since there's already a handheld that does them) but he phrased it in the gaygiest most clickbaity way.
No one ever watched directs hoping for ports except purse owner gays
For me at least it's the fact that it does those ports much better. Even the performance on a lot of games made for the Switch like No More Heroes 3, Deadly Premonition 2, Disgaea 6, Rune Factory 5, are garbage. Meanwhile those games run at 60fps on the Deck. And games that get ported later like Death End;Rquest, The Witcher 3, and probably Persona 5 run much better on the Deck with better controls. The paddles and gyro aiming in every game are hugely beneficial.
I'll admit, I've been a nintendo fan my whole life but here lately I couldn't give less of a shit. I pretty much tune in for new announcements.
I might have been excited about ports back when the Switch was new and I was real into it, but nowadays I just don't care unless it's a new game getting announced. And even then, if it's a non-Nintendo game I'll go check to see if it's on PC first after the direct is over so I can go wishlist it on Steam or something.
/V/trannies said the Steaming-Shit Deck would kill the Switch.
The Switch outsells it every month by 1000:1
>the Steaming-Shit Deck would kill the Switch.
it has, for anyone that owns one
The cope is off the charts gjg0h
Facts are facts, homosexual. It's a better device. The number of people that have their hands on one doesn't change that. Consolegays are obsessed with sales to the degree you'd think they were shareholders.
Facts are facts, nobody except super nerds has a steamdeck
facts are facts, only rich people got a steamdeck
Sounds like a great way to keep things soulful. Video games were the best when only super nerds played them.
>muh sekret klub
>Being a bigger loser than a supernerd.
>facts are facts
Fact: I can't play smash online with my friends other deck
Fact:the deck runs every game I own on PC shittily in comparison
Fact: this shitty gimmick toy will be forgotten about as quickly as their "revolutionary" controller I bought for $5 on steam
>Fact: I can't play smash online with my friends other deck
This is a positive, not a negative.
>Facts are facts, homosexual.
the only fact here is that the deck sold like shit
What are you talking about? It's backlogged by a year. Valve can't make them fast enough. It's the best selling UMPC of all time.
>It's the best selling UMPC of all time.
Last report was 77,000 units sold
you pulled that out of your ass
the 70k figure comes from the hardware survey, which is opt in and you aren't guaranteed to get it every month
>you pulled that out of your ass
>the 70k figure comes from
You're bad at this
>have evidence that an absolute bare minimum of decks exist
>tout it as a total number of units sold
I'm sure you can make a point without being this disingenuous, right?
LMAO'ing at switch cuckolds shitting themselves in happines at getting ports of 5 years old games running at 30 fps (NieR: Automata case in point)
>LMAO'ing
>being this much of a newbie
literally LMAO'ing at your life
I mean, nobody can fricking buy one otherwise it would. I have zero desire to get a switch now that steam deck is out, why would I buy a platform that makes me rebuy my games for full price but in worse quality than I can play them on this with?
tfw reserved mine july 2021 and still waiting, could be anywhere from july to sept
How much did valve pay them to bring up this doa fisher price toy?
only pcbros shill steam deckshit, no wonder it flopped
Sisters, to the 'cord. We need plan how to deal with this.
>"64" in his twitter name
So you KNOW that he isn't a pathetic, obsessed Nintendo shill, fuelled by nostalgia.
I already own a switch and a decent enough PC, why are people trying to convince me I need a deck? It covers none of my needs or wants.
it lets you play your steam library on the go and unlike switch, if you buy a deck 2 or deck 64 or new super deck in a few years you don't have to rebuy your library
>it lets you play your steam library on the go
Don't need it. I have devices that already do this
Sell the Switch and get the Deck instead.
Deck doesn't have games
the deck has a larger library than every console in existence
*yawn* My Switch, PS4 ,and PC plays more games
>PC plays more games
Deck is a PC, so this is basically like saying:
>Deck plays more games than Deck
Its a different way to play PC games.
Only one of those devices is actually portable and it doesn't run 1/100th of the number of games the deck does and the ones it does run are a straight up inferior experience.
>dude just sell your device and wait for 3+ months to gain access to handheld again
you are delusional
Ratio
Don't buy a Steam Deck.
I'm not watching your video.
>soijak
>still trying to force "keyed" to be a thing
opinion discarded
>ANOTHER N64 avatar
They are absolutely mindbroken by the Deck. It's incredible.
my deck had a defective power button so I had to send it back today
Gamespot is a bunch of moronic gays trying to capitalize on clickbait. Do you really take anyone seriously who has a gay pride logo for their profile picture?
>listening to gamestop
>ever
only on nu Ganker
Daaaaaaaaad how many Watts should I run this game at. What level FSR? Daaaaaaad it’s not downloading games in sleep mode, so I just keep the screen on??? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad why is the fan control set to off?????
>lgbtq twitter
Uhh, deckucks?
NOOOOOOOOOOO
QRD?
They started using two-lane SSDs instead of four-lane SSDs.
Essentially, this means a theoretical maximum of 985 MB/s instead of 3940 MB/s.
Will that actually affect anything? Legit asking, I assume the processor has a maximum amount of data it can reasonably handle, and have no idea what that would be
Perhaps in the future when DirectStorage and p2p NVMe start becoming more common, but right now? No. Not really. Standard processor-bound workloads have trouble exceeding more than 200 MB/s from doing I/O tests and I have one of the fast SSDs.
naruhodo.
unlikely since performance difference between a decent sd card and ssd is already not huge. you really need a fast memory subsystem and a beefy multithreaded processor to take advantage of nvme type speeds... steam deck is squarely in the low power budget area. in fact it might be an effort to reduce power consumption.
Not for gaming because the benchmarks are dishonest. Your harddrive will only be used for single layer deep processes 99% of the time you have to go out of your way to make a massive, sequential list to actually see the performance dropoff. I remember that linus video where he was forcing a SSD to perform bad by copying an entire harddrive and filling the entire SSD which makes any SSD perform like shit.
>check my nvme
>it's the original x4 lane
phew
Any way to check without cracking open your deck?
bios
Run `lspci -vv | less` in a terminal, look for 01:00.0: Non-Volatile memory controller and then look under Capabilities -> LnkSta for that device. It'll say either Width x4 or Width x2.
Kingston OM3PDP3512B-A01
Am I safe?
The chip name is useless to tell how many lanes it's configured for. Post a full lspci -vv on pastebin or something and I'll parse it for you.
It's just a screen full of ~ marks with an (END) at the bottom.
Don't use | less then. Just run lspci -vv and scroll up.
Or whatever, you know what, copy and paste this
lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
If there's no output from this, then put sudo in front. lspci probably needs elevated privelleges come to think of it. And if you can't use sudo, then you need to set a password with passwd so you can actually elevate privelleges. Or, you know, just reboot to the BIOS and check there.
sudo asks for a password for the deck. I never set one up for the console. Do I need to make a console password?
I literally just told you the command to set a password, moron.
passwd
>Width: 4x
Whew
(deck@steamdeck ~)$ Ispci -w
bash: Ispci: command not found
(127)(deck@steamdeck ~)$ lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
(1)(deck@steamdeck ~)$ lspci -vv | grep -A 50 01:00.0 | grep 'LnkSta:'
probably with lspci or lshw in desktop mode
>After Q3lets starting their deck after Gabe cheaps out on all the parts
It really doesn't matter at the moment. Even a 4-lane PCI card doesn't reach the full theoretical bandwidth of a 2-lane PCI card even using io_uring. It's really not relevant until we start seeing games use DirectStorage and some kind of p2p NVMe emulation in the Linux kernel. Traditional file access APIs literally are choked by the CPU speed.
what am I looking at here
Mustard gas
Do consoletards not know emulation is a thing?
Do emutards know emulation fricking sucks?
Please define sucks
Worse than native 99% of the time
I will, thanks
I would say that your definition of sucks doesn't apply to the vast majority of emulation. Maybe the majority of emulators targeting contemporary games, but there's a big library of old shit that gets emulated without any issues. I don't have any issues personally, but I also pretty much never try to run new games
I've never had a game be glitched and run poorly while running on a native device. This happens constantly on emulators. You're much better off hacking than emulating.
I can't say I've ever had a game be glitched and run poorly while emulating. But, again, I hardly push the envelope when it comes to difficulty.
keep telling yourself that
steam deck cant run anything on Ryujinx without fricking exploding you dented Black person
>2 days until q3 orders start
Is valve at least paying all you shills or are you doing it for free?
I paid Valve five American dollars to wait impatiently in these threads, thank you very much
Have you seen steam sale threads? There are unironically morons like this all over this board
Why would you buy a steam deck if you have a desktop pc?
I like handhelds
thats the point, is an awesome alternative for guys that don't want to scare the hoes away with a rig
you cant even play Switch first-party games on the Deck this argument makes no fricking sense
Pirate bro
So the gaming industry is back on the Nintendoomed train? Why is it only Nintendo they specifically pick on for that shit?
Because they're the ones who deserve to die
they hate on Nintendo because they hate anything Japanese or non-woke
They don't go Sony is dooomed though.
Sony appeals to Black folk and homosexuals and are basically Californian at this point so they fricking love Sony
Different anon but before the Switch Nintendo pretty much pandered to them too and got the whole "Nintendo is doomed and should go third party" speech too.
>pandered to them too
unironically not on the same level anon. genuinely nobody panders to SJWs and minorities like sony does
>PC
>Switch
>PS5
>Deck Preordered
I can't stop winning
>PS5
Is it worth it so far anon? I really don't think it is from an outsiders perspective. Maybe in a couple years.
>it's like switch but you can play porn games on it
But that's what I'm doing right now, what's wrong with that?
Absolutely nothing, he's just being an butthole
I'm playing COM3D2 right now
>live in NZ
>Steam Deck is not available here
SORRY OUR PRIME MINISTER IS A c**t GABE, WE DIDN'T MEAN IT. WE'LL GIVE YOU RESIDENCY THIS TIME, LET ME BUY A STEAM DECK.
>New Zealand could have finally had decent Internet for once because Gabe was wiling to buy his way into NZ by improving our Internet infrastructure
>Government said no
FUUUUUUUUUUCK
Seriously? What did the Kiwi Mussolini say?
How do island nations even have bad Internet, the underwater cables run right to you
>How do island nations even have bad Internet
Wtf. Why are sharks so anti-semitic? You'd think that since they have such big noses they'd also want to spread globohomo.
>local hero rangebans Australian posters
They're all really old. Plus our cables run through Australia first and then run all the way to America. Its a huge distance and it sucks. I literally play with 150+ ping for most games constantly, so I just stopped playing multiplayer games.
The application was just declined, even after Gabe organised a fricking thank you concert for having him in NZ as well as a goddamn charity for kids with cancer
>steam deck has ruined the future botw 2 direct. Uhh... how? gays are going to go nuts over it
>rainbow logo
Stopped reading there
It's actually the opposite. As a PC gamer I'm not sure why I'd want to leave my PC to play on a smaller screen with shittier controls.
You must be very unimaginative
japan and consolegays are actually really starry-eyed when it comes to deck. deep down, they have always wanted access to /AlmostEveryMajorReleaseEver/. now that it's packaged like a console company's handheld, they want it
I think the inverse is true as well. I'm definitely part of the crowd who has always just gotten handhelds to supplement my PC, and am very excited to have something that bridges the gap
OH NO MY FELLOW COMMUNIST CONSOLE COMRADES THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING
It could be a segue from console gamers to PC. Instead of getting a switch they get a deck because of the potential library.
the UI is actually a decent console-like experience, but normies will be afraid of changing TDP or refresh despite how moron proofed it is.
Honestly, I just like how Valve took a page from Switch homebrew (sys-clk via tesla) and made all the performance tunables easily accessible at any time.
Desktop and Switch for me
Can I play the Steam Deck on a TV like the Switch? I don't care about the handheld part, I just want that
It's kind of janky right now, honestly, but yes
I expect that whenever Valve releases their dock it'll be less janky
Yes. Get a USB hub that both will supply your Deck with power and has an exit appropriate for your TV. If you don't want to research USB hubs your self just wait for VALVE to start selling its Deck dock.
>sold separately
Oof
I mean, what do you fricking expect, man? The deck only has a single USB-C port.
>The deck only has a single USB-C port.
YIKES
Mine has thunderbolt as standard.
Based as usual
Why are you replying to yourself?
I have no means to defend my self against this accusation so I have no idea why you would even try this avenue. I accept your concession btw.
You might as well get their hub instead if you got a good computer. Serves the same purpose but will have better horsepower due to computer.
Picture even came with 3rd world tendie cope
I just want my deck to ship already
>steam deck is only relevant if you're a pc gamer, it has no value to console only gamers
Isn't it the other way around? If I didn't have a high-end PC, I'd probably want one just to have decent access to the steam library.
sounds like cope to me
>that consoletard seethe
I'm laughing. This is great.
Switch is old
Meaning people who want a portable have had one for years
Deck has superior specs but I don't think that's enough to justify dropping more money on it
Speaking of specs, the infinitesimal improvement of an OLED screen hardly counts as a switch plus, wonder if Nintendo isn't going to have a true higher powered equivalent this gen
>Deck has superior specs but I don't think that's enough to justify dropping more money on it
If all you cared about were the specs and performance of games, it would be extremely stupid to spend $300 on a switch when $100 more gets you so much more.
>If all you cared about were the specs and performance of games, it would be extremely stupid to buy a steam deck
Fixed
No UMPC on the market can currently compete with the deck for both price and performance and especially not a switch using a 7 year old tegra. Are you stupid?
Steam deck is a PC. A very low spec PC.
And the Switch is a locked-down console with an ARM processor that's running at half the intended clock speed and GPU speed of the SoC due to power requirements. Your point?
>very low spec PC
you have never played on a genuine potato if you think that's the case
If one actually cared about performance, the Switch is pulling miracles on a Tegra chip that no PC tegra equivalent could ever do. Consoles are about optimisation, anon. That and cost effectiveness. PC is ultimately about brute forcing performance with better, more up to date and typically more expensive hardware. I'm not sure why this board fails to understand this fact so hard.
>he's actually this moronic
Not an argument
That's it? That's all you have to say?
Yes, actually. In order to have a rational discussion, you need to be talking with a rational human being, not a 30 IQ mutt.
You're doing an awfully embarrassing job of bluffing your way out of this discussion. It was already very apparent that you had no meaningful input on this topic, so there is no further need to embarrass yourself.
>Consoles are about optimisation, anon.
If the game runs better on deck and has the same or better battery life on deck, then what the frick difference does optimization make to the end user? What kind of ridiculous cope is this? I want the best possible experience. As if vulkan isn't optimized to hell and back anyway.
Steam deck is a UMPC, that should be compared against other UMPCs. It would be insanity to compare it against a full size PC with a dedicated GPU that doesn't have any size or power constraints.
>Steam deck is a UMPC
What do the last two letters in UMPC stand for?
do you have some kind of point or is being a homosexual on the internet just your fetish?
I think the point was obvious
>If the game runs better on deck and has the same or better battery life on deck, then what the frick difference does optimization make to the end user?
It doesn't. That is why emulation exists. Because frick paying 400 dollars for a SEGA Saturn when brute forcing is simply the better option and even Chromebooks can do it.
Having said that, the Switch is almost ancient tech now. So this isn't apples to apples, it's just shitposting. The Deck is subsidised by Valve for several reasons, so you're not even seeing the true cost of the hardware. And if a Switch 2 released today at the same price target as the Switch, the console would remain fresh for the next half a decade whereas the Deck would definitely struggle as all PCs do.
We're not even talking about emulation. We're just talking about the normal experience the end user feels running games on either. There is no contest over which experience is superior between the two. The reasoning for buying a switch must go beyond the hardware. A normie doesn't even know what a fricking tegra is. They just want to play nintendo games and buy from a reputable brand. It's really that simple. The idea that they can get a better experience on other hardware doesn't even phase them.
>the console would remain fresh for the next half a decade whereas the Deck would definitely struggle as all PCs do
Struggle with what? What do you think optimizing for console even means? It means configuring the game in a way the best suits the target hardware. Your arguments about optimization fall apart when you fail to realize that games aren't designed around obscure console hardware anymore. There is no obscure console hardware anymore. Everything runs x86. Your reasoning is about a decade out of date. A PC user can get anything to run on a toaster by fiddling with settings in the same way a developer has to to get a multiplat to run on switch.
>There is no contest over which experience is superior between the two.
Over half a decade technological gap. Yeah, the SNES is better than the NES. So what exactly is even your argument here? Because I am not contending what you're saying in any way, I'm just confused as to what your point is.
>There is no obscure console hardware anymore.
In general terms, that is simply not true. While consoles used to sport exotic silica like the Emotion chip and what not, they were always designed in similar fashion as PCs. It's all about how the system manages the pipeline, and even today's more standard console systems are more known quantities that intrinsically benefit from better tailored software. This isn't even a matter of debate. And if you think it is, then please show me an equivalent Tegra PC running Mario Odyssey with the same performance.
>then please show me an equivalent Tegra PC running Mario Odyssey with the same performance
Of course no ARM machine is going to run Odyssey at full speed, moron. Yuzu and RyujiNX and recompiling emulators, not fricking hypervisors.
>I'm just confused as to what your point is.
What exactly is your obsession with optimization and what does it have to do with literally anything? That's what's confusing here if you're not contesting that the deck is the superior device.
My point is that the only defining feature of the switch, its portability, is now outclassed by a PC with the same level of portability but vastly superior hardware. "good optimization" is not a reason to buy a switch.
Ease of purchase is why steam deck cannot compete. You can argue this but it's like arguing that grass is made of gold.
checking a box makes steam save payment information
The store, like the rest of the UI is all integrated and seamless. Purchasing something requires pressing the A button a few times. Playing it requires pressing the play button in the library. It's a console experience.
Yes anon I am sure someone's grandmother is going to set up a steam account to buy this shit for their grandson.
My fricking zoomer nieces have steam accounts. The issue is limited supply, not accessibility.
If you believe this, you are mentally moronic.
Normies will buy an objectively inferior product so long as the brand is correct. They want nintendo brand and nintendo games. They don't care about the hardware at all. They don't know what hardware is. That is the mindset of the average consumer. No one is restricted from buying a steam deck because "it's too complicated!"
That is why the deck will never "kill" the switch.
What is inaccessible about the steam deck other than valve not being able to produce enough for people to buy?
>My point is that the only defining feature of the switch, its portability, is now outclassed by a PC with the same level of portability but vastly superior hardware.
It's subsidised hardware. And i's new hardware. Nintendo doesn't subsidise anything and they only do price cuts they need to. So this, again, isn't an apples to apples comparison, especially when the Switch also does things that the Deck doesn't like physical media. And in the console space, it's the system with the biggest game library that has ever existed.
I'm convinced this poster is a GPT-3 bot. He's not even making sense anymore.
Seychelles anon broke you or something?
PC is not a console.
Consoles are just PCs with no freedom. Switch is literally an Android device locked down to shit. The like between PCs and consoles have never been more blurred. It's over, consolegay.
>Consoles are just PCs with no freedom.
Id Soft aren't incompetent bastards. Doom Eternal is a game that runs fine on the Switch and magnificently on PC. But please, please show me a PC with equivalent spec to the Switch running Doom Eternal just as well.
Consoles are simply cost effective. This isn't hard to understand.
Deck is a PC and runs Doom Eternal at 60fps
You're moving the goalpost and I don't know why. Why are you missing the point of what I'm saying?
What are you saying? There's nothing you can say here that makes the switch a good purchase over the deck. It's over dude.
I see now. I was arguing with a troll. Shame on me.
Eric is like this. He's been shitposting 24/7 for close to a month
>PC is not a console.
Define console and then tell me how PC doesn't fit the definition. I'm really curious.
t. echanon
Deck has more games than Switch.
Better PCs do as well
Deck is a PC. Wow it's almost like PC > consoles or something.
Deck is portable.
Eric
A laptop is portable too. Only it is also cheaper, has a longer better life, has better performance, and a bigger screen.
it's clunky compared to the deck and you have to carry around separate mouse and gamepad. it's the same as saying what's the point of the switch when you can play ryujinx on laptop, not comfy at all.
>Physical media
It can take sd cards you know, right?
That's the exact same fricking thing as your switch carts.
No OP wants pokemon stickers on his SD card.
>It's subsidised hardware
What does this even mean? Subsidized by what? Tax payers?? What the frick are you trying to say? How is Valve funding its own hardware different than Nintendo funding its own hardware?
Valve, like any console manufacturer is pushing hardware that may or may not have a margin in the positives because they are backing it with their own platform and hoping to make the difference back that way. That's how all of these platforms work. The only difference in the formula is Valve gives its customers an unprecedented choice in storefront and general freedom over the device where consoles don't.
Your point doesn't make any sense. I pick up a deck and play doom eternal and it's a better experience than on switch. I pick up a deck and play any switch multiplat and it's a better experience. Why would I restrict myself to whatever hardware you're talking about? I have access to better hardware.
>What does this even mean? Subsidized by what? Tax payers?? What the frick are you trying to say? How is Valve funding its own hardware different than Nintendo funding its own hardware?
I'm tired of this nonsense. If you're seriously asking this stupid questions, you have no idea what I'm saying at all.
>Why would I restrict myself to whatever hardware you're talking about?
When did I ever said that you have to? That wasn't the point I was making at all.
>you have no idea what I'm saying at all.
Correct, and you refuse to elaborate. What does subsidize mean in this context and how is it any different from what Nintendo has been doing since forever?
>That wasn't the point I was making at all.
Then elaborate. I'm on a wild goose chase here looking for an argument. Any time I pin you down with obvious facts you just say "that's not what I meant!"
>What does subsidize mean in this context and how is it any different from what Nintendo has been doing since forever?
This is common vocabulary in hobbyist forums, anon. If you don't know what people are talking about then you can simply ask. Don't ask like an ass.
Nintendo doesn't subsidise hardware. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand cut into their margins on the short term so that they can profit from software sales. Valve has employed a similar strategy but not necessarily because of promoting their own platform, although that is certainly part of it. The point is that you're not seeing the true cost of the hardware. And to this point, the Deck was famous for being the best gaming PC in its price point. Valve's entire strategy here is not about hardware success or even necessarily promoting their platform, it's about pushing a form factor.
>Any time I pin you down with obvious facts you just say "that's not what I meant!"
I dislike repeating myself. My argument is that consoles and PCs are not comparable. Consoles have a better shelf life for several different reasons, they're evergreens because at least in theory software is tailor made for the system and you can squeeze outstanding levels of performance for the price point. PCs cannot compete with this, so the entire discussion of PC vs consoles is completely meaningless and ignores what both solutions are better suited for.
>Nintendo doesn't subsidise hardware. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand cut into their margins on the short term so that they can profit from software sales.
So what you're saying is that only Nintendo is cheap enough to give you 7 year old hardware and make a profit while every other console manufacturer is willing to make the margin as tight as possible. I don't see why this is a good thing.
>Consoles have a better shelf life for several different reasons,
But they really don't, they are regularly well beyond their shelf life by the time they release when compared against available hardware on the market and it shows. That is a huge part of the reason why PC hardware outclasses consoles so consistently. Developers will try to stretch out their shelf life but the experience still sucks because they have to obey the laws of physics.
>So what you're saying is that only Nintendo is cheap enough to give you 7 year old hardware and make a profit while every other console manufacturer is willing to make the margin as tight as possible.
Why are you being obtuse? What I'm saying is that you're currently witnessing an exotic market situation in the PC space that in all likelihood will not repeat itself. Make of that what you will.
>But they really don't, they are regularly well beyond their shelf life by the time they release when compared against available hardware on the market and it shows.
I really dislike obtuseness, anon. You're either playing the fool to keep the argument going or you're an actual silly man.
Again, this is objective fact. These are products with different strengths and weaknesses. And you deluding yourself thinking that PC is the end all be all is simply another kind of fanboyism.
>It would be insanity to compare it against a full size PC with a dedicated GPU that doesn't have any size or power constraints.
Its not that crazy, a lot of Windows users running Steam have systems worse than the Deck.
Very few users really have high end systems these days, the point of diminishing returns for typical resolutions at normal viewing distances is pretty low.
The main problem users start running into is just having hardware that's aged out of support.
>people play console games for the optimization
People play console games because they are moron baby mode plug and play. The deck already has that kind of experience so the switch doesn't even have that advantage in this case.
>People play console games because they are moron baby mode plug and play. Just like the steam deck
Gotta agree
I'm not sure who you're quoting because I never said that. Normals don't give a flying frick about the optimisation benefits of consoles. It is simply a matter of fact that consoles are much more highly optimised systems than PCs will ever be.
>It is simply a matter of fact that consoles are much more highly optimised systems than PCs will ever be.
If no one gives a frick then how is that relevant, even if you take it at face value?
>If no one gives a frick then how is that relevant,
Bad for you then that people give a frick.
>"I'm buying this console because I know the game optimization is good"
said no consolegay ever
do you even hear yourself?
I look at specs when deciding between an Xbox or playstation or various levels of revisions so you're wrong
This guy isn't even talking about hardware specs though. He's talking about "software optimization". Is "software optimization" something you consider when making a purchase or is it raw hardware power?
A bit of both
It is certainly that consumers benefit from when purchasing consoles, whether they are aware of it or not.
Corporations benefit, you mean.
Sure, anon. "Corporations". What a stupid fricking discussion.
More moronic sheep = more money. That fricking simple, lad.
>wonder if Nintendo isn't going to have a true higher powered equivalent this gen
I'm willing to bet my left nut this won't happen. Pro systems are moronic and Nintendo knows it. They'll probably follow it up with a Gameboyesque tech progression, but never pro systems like MS or Sony did.
How does Leo64 got a steam deck, they don't sell those here.
There's not really anything stopping one from using a mail proxying service, you know.
the article that made every tendie cry because they can't cope that a device does their gimmick and can play more than their lackluster lineup and at better performance
>sisters
>bros
i'm gonna filter these words in conjunction with console names so i'll never see these threads ever again
God I can't wait bros. Gonna emulate so many GameCube games. Frick Nintendo.
It's great for that, hope you enjoy it.
The steam deck is an insanely good buy. The biggest killer of new players in the console market is not gaving enough of a market share so that companies dont make any games for it. The steam deck just gets around that by just having the already massive PC library.
if you want the pc library why not just get a pc
Who says they don't already have one? A ridiculously huge advantage of the deck that almost no one talks about is the fact that you have full access to all the games you've already been buying over the years and pretty much seamless cloud save syncing between deck and PC.
>Who says they don't already have one?
If you already have a PC then why are you getting a Steam Deck? To play games in bed or on the toilet?
Yes.
Because it's portable yes. Why else would you buy a portable gaming device, genius?
MUH
TRACKPAD
The only thing I can't do with my PC is take it where I want. Yes.
There is something really appealing about having full access to my steam library where ever I go. There is a really nice feeling being able to pick up a game I was just playing to walk away while booting my PC saves and resuming right from where I left off on a handheld thanks to steam cloud.
yes
It's a handheld.
Its portable you dumbfrick
So is a laptop
Can you comfortably play on your laptop in a car?
I drive when I'm in a car, kiddo
Good gaming laptops are way more expensive than the deck, bigger than the deck, and not as convenient as the deck. There's really no reason to get a laptop for gaming over a deck or similar UMPC.
You can't afford a PC so that's why you like the deck. It's a cheap PC.
Go ahead and tell me why I should get a $2000 PC instead of a $400 deck.
Doesn't have the steam logo on it
Cope. Steam Machines flopped because no one cares about the brand. People like the deck because it's genuinely a good product that stands on its own.
Desktops are better and nearly as cheap
A good GPU alone is the price of a deck.
Good thing deck has both with better hardware 🙂
>Good thing deck has both with better hardware
This but desktop over steam deck
well yeah the steam deck fan noise probably made the direct hard to hear.
So anyways, when are the hall effect sticks going to be purchaseable
You can buy them now.
Where? I'd appreciate a link. GuliKit doesn't seem to sell directly.
I want to stock a set for when the pots inevitably fail.
Nintencvcks rekt yet again
Ganker still on the train that somehow steamdeck is gonna kill nintendo?
What are you playing on your Deck and where are you playing it?
Silent Hill 2. Couch.
Tales of Zestria and Slay the Spire today, outside and in bed.
>deck better than switch!
>why not just get a proper pc?
>ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
every steam deck thread
How is deck not a proper PC?
You have to ask which is funny
Cope.
you cannot get a better PC at the deck's pricepoint, anon
Ericschizo is back.
>AAAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHHH
>PLEASE STOP BUYING SWITCHES I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK FRICK
good god have some self control snoys
I'll never understand why tendies try. Anything you can possibly cope with gets instantly BTFO. The deck is just better, and all you do is sit in deck threads all day bumping them so more anons can see the thread and read about how better the deck is. I didn't even think to reserve one until I learned more about the deck in threads like these.
You have to understand how mentally ill these people are. They seriously think they're helping Nintendo who they see as their friend. Nintendo cultism gets so buried in these people's heads because of how long Nintendo has been in their life.
I see you
You are mentally unwell. Nintendo is not your friend. You don't have to work for them.
Not working
I would define donating your time to a cause without pay as volunteer work.
Gabe will never be your dad no matter how hard you shill his product
If a device comes around with better specs than the Steam Deck that also has trackpads I will absolutely jump ship. I'm a linuxtard, not a brand loyalist.
>If a device comes around with better specs
Any desktop PC
Damn didn't know you could get a desktop pc with trackpads built in
It's not goalpost moving when he literally said "with trackpads" in his post you illiterate Black person
Of the same class of device, correction. I already have a $2000 PC.
Post specs
64 GB RAM
Radeon RX 6800 XT
Ryzen 9 3900X
Nice toaster
That's what happens when you wait and have to buy the GPU above MSRP. I didn't have a choice. I'm planning to replace the processor with a 16-core Zen 3 here eventually.
So why are you shilling the deck then?
Other way around anon. We're laughing at the amount of copium you Valve drones are huffing.
troony
>console only gamers
Is that even a thing? He only uses computers for le serious stuff and social media? No games at all?
When GabeN is no longer at the head of Valve, all your thousands of dollars of digital games will be in extreme jeopardy. And no you can't just keep them all installed.
Joke's on you, I have a 30TB RAID5 array.
Jokes on you, he will outlive most of us.
Actually all showcases are good because they all mean more PC/Deck games
Why would anyone shill the deck? Have you seen the wait times already? Cancel your reservation b***h I want mine earlier.
Wtf
The Switch's real threat from the Deck is mindshare in enthusiasts gaming communities like it does here. The reality is that it can play indies and third parties better and that there are more of them than Nintendo can support on the Switch won't affect the average consumer this generation but it's certainly one step away from Valve actually making a move with a possible Steam Deck 2 to get them in your Best Buy at least or other computer store to directly compete. Of course, one still has to contend with the people who want first party games from Nintendo but how many of those people are really there? Who really knows especially when with the younger gaming demographics, many are going to be more open to PC anyways due to games like Minecraft, Roblox, and Fortnite being best played which the Steam Deck can't really play half of those yet but it is certainly in the danger zone for Nintendo the longer they wait to refresh this generation.
>it's literally impossible to buy a steam deck
>everyone already has a switch to the point there's already next gen talk
the worst here is people buying both. nintendo has no threat here.
Steam deck is a clunky device with a clunky software still. The effort to connect it to tv is way above the threshold for normies compared to the simple tv dock design found in the switch. The amount of effort to emulate and install games in the deck is reserved for neckbeard kind and the occasional tech journos/tourist.