this is the biggest reason i quit my dominating knight build. when i got the claymore and realized it was both not a two handed weapon, but also looked like a machete, i couldn't go on much longer. that, and swords are a fricking nightmare on DOM.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and swords are a fricking nightmare on DOM
kek
2 years ago
Anonymous
ah yes, i knew it would draw you out of the woodwork. nice "sword" build. the massive amount of drugs and PSI magic TOTALLY didn't carry your entire playthrough. pure sword action right there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shut up sword troony
[...]
On the other hand drugs are good and you're a dumb homosexual
you're both homosexuals
you especially
2 years ago
Anonymous
>miss
2 years ago
Anonymous
>LTI >switch to knife
wow that was hard
2 years ago
Anonymous
tm dipping anime troony homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
*Snort*
2 years ago
Anonymous
I bet you play bleed builds in Souls games, 100%
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't play souls games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shit taste, AND you make Reddit memes to reinforce how cool you think you are? Holy frick dude
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just let the homie post his shit. However lame you think his build/memes are it’s only a fraction of how gay you look when you get assmad about it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I honestly can't imagine most Underrail fans caring about Souls games.
There can't be much overlap between oldschool TB WRPG boomers and whoever the frick plays those meme console JRPGs. Huge generation gap, at least.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I like both. That said, how much I like the Souls games has been decreasing in release order, Elden Ring was okay enough to play it but I have no interest in replaying it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So what new shit was added recently aside from that chainsword? I might have to do ANOTHER playthrough or at least just plot out a build progression in my head and never play the game.
frick I still haven't done the lemurian spear build.
souls games are some of my favorites. You're right that there really isn't much of an overlap in terms of the content, but many people just end up liking a variety of games. Also I wouldn't say souls games are jrpg-y.
I bet you play bleed builds in Souls games, 100%
you mean pre-nerf bleed, before fromsoft realizes they fricked up and then nerfs everything into the ground and never balances it afterwards :^)
never change, fromsoft, you stupid crazy bastards. and frick anyone who ever used pre-nerf bleed builds in ds3.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"Shit taste" >plays Souls games
?
2 years ago
Anonymous
ah yes, i knew it would draw you out of the woodwork. nice "sword" build. the massive amount of drugs and PSI magic TOTALLY didn't carry your entire playthrough. pure sword action right there.
>soulsBlack person >can't get "you didn't beat the game" shit out of his head
When Dragon's Dogma 2 comes out, and your youtuber zeitgeist forces you to play "the next Elden Ring!!!", will you be there posting about Pawns being cheating?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not him, but I long time ago, like more than a year ago, I made an agile, psiless lightweight SS nimble can swordman with bleed stack, long before the SS purification data thingies.
Going to play devil's advocate for a moment: Swords do not miss more than any other melee, it's merely the fact that every sword miss is way more noticiable since every swing HAS to land or you lose your momentum, on top of Flurry being, what? 3 swings with 1 attack? 5% Chance to miss starts to look not so irrelevant when you are swinging dozens of times but only takes 1 miss to get you killed, eventually it will happen, and you have to rely on a plan B to get out alive. Which is why our local swordgay uses TM as a crutch :v)
Many times I have noticed, that I'd take adrenaline, land an expose weakness then swing with a Super Slam on a weak but dangerours enemy... Miss. at 95% chance to hit. Inmediadly follow with a Pummel. It lands and crits, killing the enemy.
Or when playing my psiless STR barefist monk, you'd think that above 90% CtH you'd hit pretty much punch, but you will kinda miss often, more noticiable on a Combo third punch.
Swords feel like shit because it's an 'all or nothing' type of weapon in a game that, unless you use psi, RNG will eventually frick you over, and if you dont have a backup plan for that you will fricking die.
*Snort*
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shut up sword troony
ah yes, i knew it would draw you out of the woodwork. nice "sword" build. the massive amount of drugs and PSI magic TOTALLY didn't carry your entire playthrough. pure sword action right there.
On the other hand drugs are good and you're a dumb homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
your pic is your drug of choice it sounds like, pipeworker
The souls games don't appeal to me in terms of either gameplay nor aesthetic. I have dragons dogma, which at least has a sort of skyrim thing going on with its world roaming and looting, but the combat is just repetitive and cartoony. Then there's the autistic capcom dialogue and story. No thanks; I'll stick to my god-tier oldschool iso-rpgs.
Combat utilities are a tough question in Underrail's balance because of how powerful they are, to the point where it's a badge of honor to not use them (like in sheepherder's builds).
At the same time, you can't just nerf them into the ground because they are necessary to soften the edges of a non-optimized build, or for some of the hardest encounters.
I like the way crossbows do it. They aren't that strong on paper but you build them up with a roll call of game mechanics (perks, traps, stealth, utilities, crafting) until they become a force to be reckoned with. It takes away a lot of the feeling of being a crutch that I think a lot of people get from grenades.
sheep abuses the shit out of TM and SI/crit chance though
also metas like a mofo
Strife, as you can see in basically all of the screenshots, just uses flashbangs, nets, and a taser. All three mainly just for getting 95% for flurries, but obviously flashbangs are a get out of jail card as well.
it is DOM, yeah. has been fun and satisfying, though there was a brief time where i was using very shitty armor and it was a bit of suffering. grabbed some hypercerebrix and crafted top quality shit, now it's easy street to 30 while I kill everything in the game. I was right at 24 when I took that screenshot, something like this:
https://underrail.info/build/?GAkFBgoKAwPCggAAAAAAS1pQAADCgsKCFFFUAAAAAABhe2M5wrAmwpbCjzsIVR8VwpgOUOKzrATit7AF378
going for intimidation now since I don't need crafting skills anymore, and I may as well pick up Yell as I reach godhood.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Interesting, looks good.
A while back I tried shotty build on DOM and went for lighter armor type to have more movement. My biggest issue was that I thought I needed to max PER (lets say 16?) and having no leading shot.
hmm low int not hurting your crafting? But for the rest this is a really good take for heavy armor type of guy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i have been interested in trying out a mobile shotty build, but I find sprint to be enough mobility. you really want to be tanky since you need to be close, and be in a position to hit multiple enemies or funnel them. i have also made the mistake of no leading shot before and deleted that character. it's truly a mandatory shotgun feat unless you enjoy having a shitty time or use grenadier to carry your build. low INT certainly delayed the best gear, but often crafting the best items in the game super early makes me get bored and lose interest sooner.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see. I guess the greater mobility allows you to move behind objects while reloading or after AP used up, for longer periods of time. But if face tanking with that build instead gives the same result, well I works too. It's just been too long since I've played since all the changes to know what works or not....
Btw, no survival instincts? Or too risky with hanging round too low HP.
2 years ago
Anonymous
something about shotguns just makes me want to stand there in the open as a "frick you, try me" kinda thing. mostly i just came off playing warcrimes and crossbow characters, so playing another LoS-abusing CONlet was out of the question.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> so playing another LoS-abusing CONlet was out of the question
lol. My man. I'm kind of the same way. I may give this a shot(ty).
2 years ago
Anonymous
> so playing another LoS-abusing CONlet was out of the question
lol. My man. I'm kind of the same way. I may give this a shot(ty).
Forgot to ask, progression wise, what route did you go with perks and gear? I will play Oddity btw.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I posted my build here
it is DOM, yeah. has been fun and satisfying, though there was a brief time where i was using very shitty armor and it was a bit of suffering. grabbed some hypercerebrix and crafted top quality shit, now it's easy street to 30 while I kill everything in the game. I was right at 24 when I took that screenshot, something like this:
https://underrail.info/build/?GAkFBgoKAwPCggAAAAAAS1pQAADCgsKCFFFUAAAAAABhe2M5wrAmwpbCjzsIVR8VwpgOUOKzrATit7AF378
going for intimidation now since I don't need crafting skills anymore, and I may as well pick up Yell as I reach godhood.
for the most part the feats were taken in the order this build outlines. gassed the dronetards, went with JKK for my wife Vivian and easier time getting my house for crafting benches. full tungsten tank with sprint; tungsten reinforced boots, tungsten visor helm for flashbanging my feet. shell strap belt.
too bad you get the industrial exoesqueleton a bit too late in the game
Remote Control Energizer Glove + Industrial Powered Exoskeleton looks like a neat combo
For true authenticity he should have a gun that can transform between an MP5 and an extremely loud MP5SD depending on whether he's holding it or not.
Seriously what the frick is up with that Valve?
Thinking of dipping PK for that delicious electric sex with my str swordser. Psychostatic electricity yay or nay?
I'd go premed too so it's free stun + crit chance, but is it just overkill or worse in action than on paper?
If its your first time ever playing, hard oddity is fine
but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
it would be hard at first since no stealth and low throwing and initiative, but once you got past the 2nd mission it would be downhill from there
The game is intriguing. The psy build was pulling me in because of System shock 2 memories.
But the game feels so moody with its presentation that I want a stoic Jin Roh type guy that is mostly just exploring this sunless sea type setting in silence and drugged out of his mind with hypos.
you might get your shit pushed in in the early game on hard and get discouraged
grenades can carry you early since you won't have a good weapon or any armor in a build that's nothing but weapon+armor but you will be fricking broke as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well that reminds me of some fallout 1 and 2 builds so Ill manage.
>but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
What kind of deranged troony recommends Dominating the first time for someone simply wanting to try the game out the first time?
>If its your first time ever playing, hard oddity is fine >but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
Surely somebody wouldn't just go on to the internet and tell lies.
yeah sure, tell him to play on normal (or hard if he's REALLY HARDCORE) so he can get bored and quit at lvl 15
2 years ago
Anonymous
you mean so he gets bored and restarts on a more fun and challenging difficulty. restartitis is pretty much the name of the game and I don't feel like a minority admitting I played through the game up to DC at least 4 times before I found a build I loved and beat the final boss with it. new players should start on normal, period.
2 years ago
Anonymous
normal is simply unacceptable
hard is plenty easy; I plowed through it with my first character and had no real difficulty, even though I didnt know what I was doing
2 years ago
Anonymous
>normal is simply unacceptable
Picrel. >hard is plenty easy; I plowed through it with my first character and had no real difficulty, even though I didnt know what I was doing
What build? Pre-nerf psi? Tin can AR with throwing?
2 years ago
Anonymous
xbow trapper, back in 2017
but the game says normal is the way it was intended. any difficulty is fine.
sometimes playing on normal gives you more leeway to mess with builds.
t. i play mostly dominating now, but normal is fine
"this is the way the game is intended to be played"
pic-related
Any know what the hell the april fools event is. I checked wiki to see if the updated the stuff and don't remember that being a thing before
luprechaun
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's the st. Patrick day event though, and it's not Halloween lurkers so wtf obscure event thing is there now for April fools
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh, right
I dont know then
2 years ago
Anonymous
On April 1st I encountered a woman named April in foundry, although I think you can find her in other places. She was talking about how her brother sold some crossbow and that she was trying to find it, but don't quote on me that. I don't remember anything besides that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Never mind. She was trying to find scope liquid for her brother's crossbow. Scope liquid doesn't exist, which means he pranked her.
2 years ago
Anonymous
but the game says normal is the way it was intended. any difficulty is fine.
sometimes playing on normal gives you more leeway to mess with builds.
t. i play mostly dominating now, but normal is fine
>So you can make basically a Jin Roh dude?
Yeah, High STR + High CON + Tungsten Armor + Assault Rifles are the winning combination, though my Jin-Roh build is a lot different from this guy's:
>but will is stealing a bit from other attributes
I find that Will eventually pays off itself with not only Stoicism, but feats like Iron Will and Fight Response as well, though yeah I agree for the most part it takes a while for Stoicism (and by extension Will) to really take off, but AR Tin Cans aren't exactly starved for points like say, Punchgays.
Stoicism, specially if fully spec'd is REALLY good, is probably THE BEST tank oriented feat in this game, also with conditioning, allow you to actually make good use of Survival Instincts without cheesing it (if you have regen best), on top of everything else the previous anon say, Iron Will also will let you survive a little bit more against TC shenanigans
I dont have expeditions but I see its only 3 levels more.
last stand seems a must for both Survival Instincts conditioning and stoicism.
expidition is 25-30 and unlocks the ability to spec into feats
that being said iron will doesn't do a whole lot without expedition as the enemies it is useful against are pretty rare unless you piss off the faceless
Stoicism, specially if fully spec'd is REALLY good, is probably THE BEST tank oriented feat in this game, also with conditioning, allow you to actually make good use of Survival Instincts without cheesing it (if you have regen best), on top of everything else the previous anon say, Iron Will also will let you survive a little bit more against TC shenanigans
it does have tempered electricity though
combine that with aegis and morphine and you're almost immune to all electrical damage, even TC shit
thought it comes at 28 so you'd need to put off the lunatics and native shore until pretty late
The intended way is indeed normal since the buff to players health is to compensate the fact its usually a mob of enemies against a single player.
If the game had companions hard would be normal.
That said its more of a balancing issue with builds.
it helps early on
and later on if you go the crit route and have an anatomical 9mm chimera, its nice to be able to 1-shot a Black person instead of wasting 9 bullets on him
you should do your first run with a good amount of persuasion. i personally invest 85 in persuasion every run just because i want certain characters to stay alive/dead, not that i need them, it's just for completition's sake
I guess, but the game is fricking starving for skill points.
Its not that I like min maxing, I love flawed but playable characters. But the game seems to rely on tons of synergies. And crafting seems much more powerful than buying shit.
I understand it to be useful but cuttable
Was wonder if full auto burst benefits from it. Or if its only one shot from eh rifle. If so critical power semis nice paired with it.
Playing this again. Hard/classic again. Knife couldn't kill the bots in GMS compound this time, tried to avoid them and killed the bandits but got walled by the bot on the way back out the trapdoor.
So I reloaded an earlier save to try and get to level 6 so I could learn expertise for my non-crit knife attacks, did it, then started pickpocketing npcs in Junkyard and found a frickin shock knife. Didn't know you can get one that way.
I gave the game an honest try but it is tedious in the most boring ways possible.
Nothing to do with difficulty, game is ridiculously easy once you understand how broken some things are (grenades and traps) but it's just tedious to the point I roll my eyes at shit constantly. Too bad because I really like how the game does a lot of stuff, but the combat just fricking sucks.
Maybe the game is just not all that interesting because of my build, I mean I have 50 hours and most of the gameplay was crafting god frags, traps, making one enemy stuck in a corridor and clearing 5 enemies at once with a frag. Not the most engaging gameplay, so maybe it's my own fault. Is a gun build more engaging?
Also I locked myself out of a quest by pure accident and that annoyed me but I expected this game doing stuff like that so yeah.
I'm also heavily disappointed in the stealth system. I thought it would be more interesting than this but it really feels underwhelming. A lot of things in the game feel a bit underwhelming honestly.
I also went into this game blind, I got lucky that the shit I like doing in RPGs happens to be a god build here, I probably would have gotten buttfricked with anything else.
Nothing is engaging, you kill the enemies. Its just that traps and gas, and caltraops all are too slow when you could just generally win most fights with a high crit build.
Eh maybe it's just not the game for me then. I was expecting a more interesting game especially from a combat centric RPG but it just feels lacking in that department. Really like the setting, how the exploration plays out and the crafting is super good, sad the combat is just boring.
I also don't get it, I joined protectorate, I was expecting quests where I get to fight with fellow protectorate soldiers and instead I got dumb fetch quests where I am sent alone. I don't get it, it's not like the game is not able to handle friendly units, it just never does it. My favorite parts of the game so far have been when people fight with you because it creates interesting combat scenarios (especially with grenades, you don't want to kill your teammates with those) but the game purposefully never does it in favor of having you fight an entire army by yourself. Missed opportunities everywhere.
>I don't get it, it's not like the game is not able to handle friendly units
Uhhh that's one of the worst parts about the game, you throw fire on the ground, instead of walking around it they walk through it then unanimously aggro you like you directly attacked them and ignore the enemies.
>I'm also heavily disappointed in the stealth system. I thought it would be more interesting than this but it really feels underwhelming.
How deep do stealth systems get? I'm interested in recommendations especially for RPGs.
I haven't played many games with good stealth mechanics, only good stealthy stuff I've played is in tabletop rpgs and even then in a lot of games it really sucks (dnd kinda plays like a circus).
I mean when I specced into stealth I was expecting things like surprise attacks, additional buffs for initiating combat out of stealth or surprising enemies by having the drop of them, fricking around with enemies by making them move somewhere on purpose (you can do it in this game but attracting enemies with shit grenades then restealthing kinda breaks the thing I was going for), having stealth-only abilities, you know, shit like that. Instead in this game, stealth just means I don't initiate combat instantly and I move slower, which is kind of a wienerblock.
I was told it's the same for hacking, where you think by speccing into that you'll be able to frick with turrets, making them fight for you, perhaps crafting shit you see in the game (being able to craft kamikaze bots would have been so fun) but instead it's limited to a few areas and it's for loot.
I just find this game has all these features and not a lot of them are fully fleshed out in scenarios where it actually matters, it's frustrating.
>I don't get it, it's not like the game is not able to handle friendly units
Uhhh that's one of the worst parts about the game, you throw fire on the ground, instead of walking around it they walk through it then unanimously aggro you like you directly attacked them and ignore the enemies.
I wasn't using molotovs so I didn't run into issues like that, I just wish these sections were better crafted and that there were more of them. I literally joined protectorate because I thought it was cool I would join squads to do cool shit around the world, but it sucked instead.
>tabletop rpgs
Oh true see I wouldn't have thought about that I never play them. >I mean when I specced into stealth I was expecting things like surprise attacks, additional buffs for initiating combat out of stealth or surprising enemies by having the drop of them, fricking around with enemies by making them move somewhere on purpose (you can do it in this game but attracting enemies with shit grenades then restealthing kinda breaks the thing I was going for), having stealth-only abilities, you know, shit like that. Instead in this game, stealth just means I don't initiate combat instantly and I move slower, which is kind of a wienerblock.
That's actually a really good point, I can only think of a couple feats that give you stuff to do out of stealth and it's just a damage buff and a special attack. Being able to inflict a status effect or something seems natural.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah and since the game has the philosophy of enemies being able to do everything you do to them, it could also apply to enemies that like to stealth on you. It'd definitely make it more scary if an enemy could inflict you a debuff making you have less AP or something like that when they are the one initiating combat out of stealth. It makes perception that much important, it's super engaging as well. Like I said, just little things like that would make the combat that much more interesting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you really complaining that there aren't any scary stealthed enemies in underrail?
also you can make the game faster by hitting the + sign
2 years ago
Anonymous
I know death stalkers are a thing, and some enemies with stealth can kind of frick you up as well if they incapacitate you. It doesn't make the system interesting. That's the problem with this game, combat just does not have the nuance I was looking for, and that applies to a lot of mechanics, ideas, skills, feats. If the name of the game is a combat centric RPG then I really want these kinds of little things I mentioned to give me a reason to approach things a certain way instead of trapping people and nadding them to death. The literal only thing stopping you from doing that in this game is damage thresholds and resistances, but it's again more of a wienerblock solution rather than interesting game design.
Maybe I was waiting too much out of this game, it was hyped to me a lot, and I think the praises are deserved for a lot of things that are not combat related.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what weapon are you using
2 years ago
Anonymous
I said it earlier, I ran into this game blind, told myself stealth+traps+throwing knives would be fun, I ran into faceless enemies and realized damage thresholds and resistances were a thing, so I did the next best thing by replacing throwing knives by grenades, I have kind of breezed through most sections in the game without much strategy.
so I just got the game today and something I just read sold me, that I can be using psychic abilities. Any builds that let me go pure psychic and melt the brains of my enemies? or is that like a late game thing?
you can do a pure psychic. you might have to use the handgun or a knife and some grendes for the beginning stretch but you should be able to get some thought control shit going on early
You have points. Also you won't hit max level with oddity anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Really? That's a bummer I dont like overleveling on classic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Levels are overrated. All that matters is that you have consumables, and hit the level where you can craft all your endgame gear before you hit another difficulty spike.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I heard on styg forums that if you have mercantile you can access better shit, can that cover not having shit like biology and chemistry?
Frick its so skill starved god damn.
Crafting is neat and all but it always fricks my brains in rpgs
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can minmax biology/chem by just having 45/20 respectively for focus stims/gas grenades (and similar low tier nades). 105-110 mercantile for the best merchants, they'll tell you when they have a secret inventory but you don't have the skill yet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The game is probably perfectly finish able even with no crafting. but its neat having good equipment.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'll take preaching bullshit for 500.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you okay? Don't be a little homosexual, now.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Snappy comeback. But I'm sure a little homosexual will still make you cry in bed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're just a homosexual, I don't know what your deal is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What's that? I can't hear you over your mom's gargling sounds sucking my wiener. You're supposed to be in bed, Jimmy.
I have something very similar in a notepad file so I don't have to write out everything when I do the puzzle again.
You can copy and paste the cipher text and octave keys if you didn't know.
Ah right, I didn't even know there was a solver. The first time is the only bad time though, you're just going through the motions after that. If I get lucky with the cipher I can do it in about 5 minutes anyway.
You can do it very quickly if you look for the numbers directly, just take note of the numbers that are 1 over the third octave's number. It's most likely they belong to the code's numbers. You can brute force tue numbers that are spelled with letters.
In my cypher I should've looked for the number 1's in the key
So I've been thinking. What would happen to Psychosis if it was changed so that only the abilities that can crit had the increased psi cost?
The way it stands, when you're outside of Tranquility's use case (health missing), it's just a non-factor. When you're outside of Psychosis' use case (using utility spells), you're eating a fairly bad cost penalty for no benefit.
Maybe the real moral of the story is that Tranquility is too good. Nobody tell Styg.
Or make it so that all psi abilities can crit, fear/rage effects last twice as long, LTI reduces cooldowns by 2 turns, contraction gives an extra 10 AP and 15 MP, etc.
It would be a buff to Psychosis I'd like, but Tranquility is the one that needs a buff. Generally, Tranquility is only better for Electrokinesis since you have Psychostatic Electricity for crit chance already, TC status effects (which already have high AP cost and cooldown so Tranquility is barely a bonus anyway), and TM since none of it can crit. Psychosis is better for literally everything else that deals damage, Neural Overload with Mania and LoC is your bread and butter for the entire game, Cryo Orb is also insane with Mania, 65% crit chance Plasma Beams are nuts.
I don't remember if I ever announced this here, but you can target enemies beyond the vision range by right-clicking them to bring up their portrait, moving away, choosing your attack, then left-clicking their portrait before it disappears. You need to be snappy though. Spears can have a range of up to 15 tiles, while vision range is 14 tiles.
I want to do All Quests playthrough, but it seems that wiki is not updated with Expedition content, and also new quests were added in the last couple of years. Any resources with a more complete information?
just play on normal, don't follow any build guides. there's a variety of weapons, but when you are making your character you should stick to one type(e.g., pistol build, shotgun build, knife build, etc). trying to spread between multiple weapon types or melee/ranged can leave your starved for skill points and feats. you can look through the feat list when starting and see what feats go with what weapon types, and stat requirements for them. ensure you are maxing one combat skill. mercantile is helpful, crafting is powerful but not needed, even on the hardest difficulties. basic grenades and traps do not require any skill point investment and are very powerful. main questions to ask yourself are: main weapon? magic(psi) or not? tanky or fast?
Yes, multi school psi is still viable on Normal. I would recommend you specialize if you plan to play on harder difficulties
Perk selection being spread too thin can slow you down in early game. Even if you do go with a multi-school approach, have some idea of which school is your primary damage dealer and focus the perks on that.
alright bros, not many things left to try. shall I pump INT for a high-technicalities energy/plasma pistol scientist, or something fist-related? I've never tried unarmed or any fist weapons, so i am unsure if they are separate builds, or if an "unarmed" build also has a backup fist weapon
does DEX affect the AP cost of bare fists? wondering if I can dump it. i imagine monk means i don't wear heavy armor, but does that mean I should be a CONlet as well?
My monk had 5 ap punches, that required 9 DEX, tabis and lightning punched, on top of 8 agility, i dumped the rest on STR.
BTW the str damage bonus for barefist is multiplicative, not additive
And up to you, my barefist monk had 5 CON, still pretty squishy since i also wore the Ratto Fursuit
https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dexterity
Use the vertical chart. Find the AP of the weapon on the left (10), then find when the AP of the weapon changes as Dex increases. Bare fists should be 9/12 Dex for 5/4 AP punches.
>equip heavy armor >equip assault rifle >can't move an inch from my starting position >horde of mobs turn my tin can into swiss cheese while my legs melt into the pool of acid and fire
Fast metabolism will always be useful while Doctor will not
You cannot bandage yourself in combat, but you can use things like hypos, use regen mixtures, get healed by your regen vest, marsh honey, etc; Doctor will allow you to always be able to bandage yourself and increase heal recieved, but only out of combat, arguably the moment where you need healing the most as a tank/tin can.
Also, metabolism increases psi booster psi gain, and increases the healing of all healing sources, including the ones I mentioned.
Like I said before, Doctor is not bad by all means, at worst is QoL and at best is situational, like an anon pointed out you can bandage yourself when crawlers sting you and disengage from combat, allowing to bandage yourself, but thats a relatively fringe situation compared to the rest of combats in the game.
looks like I saved over the chempistol build i had in the editor, oops. but it was memey and kinda janky and highly unoptimized anyway, as I wanted to use some specific gear with intimidation bonuses.
anyway i'd probs start the build with something like this in mind: https://underrail.info/build/?HgMQBQUDAwdGKADCoB4AeFAyMgAAAGQAAAAAAMKgAABLK2EmwpFWThHCs9-_
skipping versatility and going more perception is perfectly fine too. the only things you really need are cooked shot, mad chemist and enough chemistry to craft the guns. opportunist and sure step are excellent too.
as you can see, there's room to fiddle with, going all the way up to 18 dex isn't mandatory either. just fill in the rest with whatever feels good. escape artist is not strictly necessary, but it's very nice for QoL.
also temporal manipulation can be left at 70 or skipped, but psi is powerful and TM has the best spells that don't scale much with skill so willpower at 3 is fine.
You could try this: https://underrail.info/build/?CgUMAwkDAwcjHgA8AAA8MjIAAB4APAAFAAAAMgAAMibCoytiFlbCkTrfvw
You should also balance the crafting a bit better depending on what you can find, a few points in Biology are needed in order to craft focus stims later on. Mercantile is pretty essential on a chem pistols build because not many vendors sell the parts, so you need it in order to access their higher quality equipment. Grenadier is a great feat with your high chemistry because you can craft very powerful grenades early, but you can substitute it for something else and put those points in throwing somewhere else.
Tincan AR
https://underrail.info/build/?HgkDAwoPAwPCoMKJAAAAADwAAAAAwqB9EjB4AAAARgAAeytjMTsmCBUCSklLwodQVcKkwrXin6IC4qeqA-KntArfvw
It actually has many variants because you only need 9 Str for Tungsten armor, and Burst is fine with sub-max Perception. CON variant just seems best for a first run.
Head: Night Vision Seeker Goggles
Chest: Tungsten Steel Armor (Regenerative Vest, x3 Tungsten plate reinforcement)
Boots: Tungsten Steel Boots (Tungsten Plate Reinforcement, High Density Padding)
Belt: Bullet Strap Belt
Main Gun: 7.62mm Hornet (Rapid Reloader, Muzzle Brake)
Side Gun: 9mm Chimera (Muzzle Brake, Anatomically-Aware Scope)
so STR unarmed has been pretty fun, up till burrowers. how am I supposed to deal with burrower warriors? even with expose weakness my fists just tickle them.
Real sword homies clear entire maps of enemies without them moving from their original positions, on dom oddity of course. Lunies should have studied the blade.
The most gratefying feeling is bonking or punching Tchort to death without the aid of any psi
Barefist str monk, berserker hammergay and psiless stoic tungsten tank hammergay
I did play psiless nimble can swordman with bleeds, and I did play heavy MT Hoplite, but honestly shield n board never got my attention, just like playing a spear alone build
New to the game, how do I make a spear build with no psi?
I have gone 10 STR 6 DEX 5 AGI 7 CON 3 PER 5 INT 3 WIL, with the various spear feats in mind+juggernaut from 7 con. max starting points in meele, throwing, intimidation, hacking, trapping, mechanics, electronics. Should I get opportunist or juggernaut at start? sprint seems like a must have.
I've done no-psi spear on Dominating. Its really just a delivery system for your armor. I ended the game with TiChrome, Super Steel, Tungsten, CAU, Stealth, Crit, and movement armor.
That stat spread is basically what you do for a standard Spear build, but if you want nimble can you cut 1 STR for 1 INT. If you don't have TM, then I think you need Sprint, I wouldn't go Agi just for Sweep anymore. Don't do Juggernaut until right before you craft your metal armor. Don't skip Grenadier.
>most combat scenarios are over before a single Marauder clip is emptied with people on drugs everywhere
High intensity warfare is crazy to think about...
I remember joining the discord to ask about something and seeing people dropping 'Black person' constantly. It was pretty refreshing, I always feel like walk8ng on eggshells whenever I have to ask something on Discord
oddity is less xp
classic is more
oddity means you loot items that give xp
classic means you get xp for kills and quests always
oddity intentionally limits how much xp you can gain from certain enemies/areas (a dog might drop a collar oddity, but only the first 3 collars give xp)
classic doesn't
hate looting? consider classic
hate feeling punished for skipping fights? consider oddity
if you don't have strong feelings play oddity and try out a different system than usual
Skill Throwing and a bit of Chemistry whatever kind of build you go with since it's your first time. If the rest of your build is bad you can usually compensate with large amounts of hand grenades.
Always seemed like a bit of a bad idea to throw explosives around underground.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of things about the underground aspect don't make sense. Like there's no ventilation, everyone seems to have just forgotten the surface for some reason and don't talk about it or why it's uninhabitable, and there's no light for plants to grow and thus there should be nothing for pigs and rats or whatever to eat.
2 years ago
Anonymous
mushrooms don't need light and they have artificial light like a greenhouse
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doesn't matter if the odd mushroom can grow, there's still nowhere near enough energy to support a large population of advanced vertebrates. Nuclear/geothermal-pwered greenhouses would make sense, but then there'd still be no food for anything outside of human settlements, other than bacteria, slime fungus etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe they eat bugs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
But bugs have to eat something too. In the end, the food chain requires sunlight in one way or another. I think some mystical thing present in the caves around which plants grow would have been a decent explanation. Like photosynthesis but using some kind of psi fields rather than light. And artificial hydroponics for normal surface plants.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its possible animals that have adapted to radiation are topside and some animal that eats them rests inside the entrance of the tunnels and contributes to the food chain like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think some large artificial contraption that puts nutrients (derived from engineered life that thrives on the surface, probably algae or something) in the water that flows down into the caves would make a decent bit of sense. You'd just have to filter the water for drinking, and everything would smell like a swamp.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's generally understood that the Utility Tower hints the surface is a frozen wasteland, as the higher up you go, the more frigid it gets. That would explain why there's no hints of people exploring the surface, they would freeze to death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So Underrail are Frostpunk are set in the same universe, just one slightly further into the future. Now it all makes sense.
this was brought up in the lore files. there have been more than 1 starvation/famine in underrail's history.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I guess you didnt notice the vents everywhere
theres light almost everywhere, maybe you noticed that the screen isnt black?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like there's no ventilation
Vents to the surface are explicitly mentioned multiple times.
>everyone seems to have just forgotten the surface for some reason and don't talk about it or why it's uninhabitable
Except for, you know, everyone from the Institute of Tchort.
>and there's no light for plants to grow
SGS has an entire hydroponics garden made just to exposit for (you).
But bugs have to eat something too. In the end, the food chain requires sunlight in one way or another. I think some mystical thing present in the caves around which plants grow would have been a decent explanation. Like photosynthesis but using some kind of psi fields rather than light. And artificial hydroponics for normal surface plants.
> In the end, the food chain requires sunlight in one way or another.
Nope. It requires autotrophy (accumulation of ambient energy into chemical bonds of organic compounds). It can be thermal energy, energy of non-organic chemical fuels, nuclear energy, etc.
There are sunlight-independent ecosystems right now on IRL Earth.
And the entire Underrail was explicitly built by megacorporations that explicitly did genetic engineering and ecosystem creation.
And one of the genetically engineered creatures that gets an spotlight in one the larger quests is EXPLICITLY A LITOVORE.
Like, you're bating or literally never played the game bruh. Styg poured some serious autism into his worldbuilding.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>SGS has an entire hydroponics garden
SGS has a population of about 20. Easy to feed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you also have to be a top Black person to remain in SGS
they dont accept any freeloaders
2 years ago
Anonymous
theres like 20 soldiers alone that we see
you dont see everybody in each settlement, obviously, you dingbat
What people never bring up for some reason is that oddity will dictate what areas you go to if you want to level up due to oddities repeating a lot in some places and you can only pick up a limited amount of the same. With classic you can go anywere as long as enemies aren't filtering you.
>What people never bring up for some reason is that oddity will dictate what areas you go to if you want to level up
This is your brain on pure metagame.
Can you even comprehend the idea that a new player doesn't know the distribution of oddities in advance, which is exactly how it encourages exploration?
>encourages exploration
It does the opposite. >hmm this place is filled yet again with the same stone fossils that I got 10 of, I should stop exploring here and go to the next area
You are missing the point.
Oddity locks you on a set path if you want to level up (and you really want that since some builds only work from level 18 and up), while it doesn't matter on classic and you can go any direction without missing out on xp.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That isn't true. Every area has its own oddities and its own sidequests so you can get experience anywhere. Except the caves, which are shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again
>This is your brain on pure metagame.
Because you build your entire game experience on maximizing level progression, all so that you can I dunno use BT to kill a room fool of enemies like 5 times (15 if you choose to genocide the natives in Expedition) after leaving half the game content behind you, at which point you have nothing else to do (as combat is limited in DC, and Tchort's Eye fricks up our precious stats), so the only thing you have left is being autistic in an Underrail thread on a Sri-Lankan political dissent forum.
Why are you doing this? Underrail is straight up bad for this shit - the encounters are limited, the builds aren't that varied, and you have to play on a specific difficulty, with a specific Xp system that even the dev and most players agree to be shit, in a specific and entirely counter-intuitive way, just to do this pointless shit you are doing. Go play Pathfinder or Dragon's Dogma for infinite build autism instead.
Even if you can't, just stop aggressively shilling your cancerous play-style as "the only proper way to play the game" everywhere. Go to an Elden Ring thread on /vg/ and express your disdain for people who don't appreciate your specific way of numbers interacting with other numbers there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally all I did is mention how the two systems can influence your playstyle and you go on some autistic tangent. I never said it's the only right way to play.
Calm down and reflect on your unhinged anger.
You can get the drill parts without talking to anyone, you still need to get the drill part quest, and then immediately turn it in like nothing special happened.
So do I just need the drill parts or do I need them and then finish the quest. Because I want to just kill everyone here and then unlock the mushroom room and then start to explore the world
You finish the quest, then the train station is unlocked, and you can buy TNT to open pathways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
damn so I have to progress normally. I wanted to kill the guy in front of the compound with the burrow nest and see if the quest with the settlement thats being held hostage changes but I guess not
>what's the most fun build?
Crossbow/stealth/traps/throwing with a Thought Control dip maybe. Should give you a very large pool of attacks and abilities at your disposal.
the game hints that underrail was made via aconr
and we don't know everything; the game talks about "ambient light" that allows you to see, yet we dont see the source anywhere
we have psi-lifeforms that become whatever they eat
the gypsy (and the graveyard for that matter) introduced psi ghosts
lots of shit going on that we don't understand
the game hints that underrail was made via aconr
and we don't know everything; the game talks about "ambient light" that allows you to see, yet we dont see the source anywhere
we have psi-lifeforms that become whatever they eat
the gypsy (and the graveyard for that matter) introduced psi ghosts
lots of shit going on that we don't understand
I think I would have preferred a complete absence of ambient light, but more bioluminescence and artificial lighting.
Anon, it sounds like what you want is a more hardcore Underrail, where exploration in caves is limited by the battery power you have for your torch, and the filters and canisters you have for your rebreather.
The best way to play the game (as a beginner) is to play as unfair as possible. Use flares on the rathounds to terrify them, giving you some time to hit them without being hit. Use caltrops, bear traps and grenades (particularly molotovs and flashbangs) to stack things in your favor.
They'll be expensive at the beginning (as is everything) but you'll fairly rapidly get enough money from stealing and looting that it'll work out.
These are some things you'll find useful and cheap:
throwing nets
bear traps
caltrops
Bear traps are for pre-combat preparation without a certain feat, while caltrops and nets work as combat utilities. In general, one-time-use items are much more effective in this game than the useless trash they usually are in other RPGs.
Any good ways to use the purple wall thingys.
I guess they're okay in halting the enemies progression for a few turns but I'm wondering if there are any other usages I'm missing
Anything that deals mental damage will be utterly cucked by Force Field, and sometimes you can abuse the dumb ai, like FFing yourself out and the crawlers cant reach to you so they just stand there
Doesn't ignore sloping's reduction. Nimble/BWT work because they lower your overall penalty, and that's not what juggernaut checks. Instead it checks to see if your chest armour (and only chest, helmet/boots are ignored) has 50% penalty or higher. Since sloping does change that specific value it might ruin it.
snooping + 2 specs isnt that big an investment
you'll need another couple boosts, like mushroom salad, juice, adaptive goggles, marsh honey, etc for some of them
Yeah, evasion, not like I'm evading all attacks but I'm evading most of them, which is the only that matters
Evaded dozens of sea wyrms attacks at this point
Besides, it's not a permanent armor, will eventually switch to tesla
>make a sword guy >slicin' an' dicin' >think hey he's really good >get to depot a >discover he can neither land a hit nor take a hit from enemies who aren't rathounds and weak starved bandits
Whoops.
Will I miss out on anything if I just butcher the pirates like the natives?
Or should I try negotiating?
I only got my long nose skill at 105 and nothing in presuation/intimidation.
You don't get anything for negotiating other than not having to fight. If anything you lose something compared to killing them all because they won't let you look around their base even if you negotiate perfectly.
You hardly get shit from the Pirates if you don't defect to them. Negotiating just means you don't get shot while going through the 2-3 tiles you pass by going into their corner for some quests.
I've been using it as an offhand weapon for an unarmed build. It's not stellar at dealing with armoured targets, but it's pretty good for a character without Expose Weakness.
It compared pretty evenly to my other anti-armour setup, which was combining the kukri's expose weakness effect with Quake, with the advantage that I still had my bare fists available for any other mooks that wanted to frick around.
I'm using the chainsword as my main, and centered my build around it. I went for a tungsten tank build, so I'm also using proxy punches to catch up to enemies, but almost all my kills are done with the chainsaw.
You're probably much better off building a nimble can with this weapon, all things considered, but i figured that going all-in on strength was going to be my best bet. There are some advantages to tungsten tanking, however, in that you only chainsaw as much as you have AP or battery power. It could prevent some overkill (and this battery drain), and for small fry hitting them four times is enough. I decided to stack strength for more damage on the sword per tick, though a crit build might work out even better. Hard to say, i took consistent damage.
For the sword itself, it's got some very solid advantages, the biggest of which being that all ten ticks of damage on the chainsaw attack trigger the blades or spikes on metal armor. My current guess is that I'd be best off attaching one blade for taste for blood stacks, and add about 30-50 damage with double spikes per tick.
Another advantage is that the sword deals really high crit damage, at 150% base. combine with cheap shots and critical power and you've got really powerful crits, and you're hitting your targets ten times. Focus shots do wonders.
Another thing: due to the nature of phreaks quest, you can get this thing early and with almost no combat. You'll have to cheese the spiders with the automatic doors, but after that you're in business. The industrial bots guarding the blade you can kill with the electricity shit you had to activate to open it up. So you can nab this as soon as you reach core city.
All in all, it's not as shit as it appears at first glance, but you need to essentially build your character around it.
I don't even have flurry, because this fricking this has a minus 5 on Precision. Don't build for swords, build for a chainsaw.
If the armor works, I'm guessing every hit is counted seperately. So fancy footwork probably just gives you back your entire movement.
Tungsten tank needs to be backed by psi to help you catch enemies, but a nimble can can probably run for days.
Couple of addendums:
You also get a 50% armor piercing on the chainsaw attack, which makes up for the 30 percent damage debuff on a hit per hit basis. Not having to rely on flurry and instantly dying over a single miss also makes it less frustrating, I'd say.
I was able to kill burrower warriors in two turns basically as soon as I had the chainsword, albeit with some crits.
You also want to have a knife or similar low AP backup to expose weaknesses with, or to just finish off enemies with a sliver of health. The chainblade is really bad as a regular sword, being inaccurate and costing 20 AP per swing, so you want something on the side. I've been using a knife, but a fist is probably better, come to think of it
>I recall the virtues I stood for! >I recall the struggles and things we have done! >I will not be deterred from my vengeance! >I remember the lessons passed on to the sons! >I am one of the Emperor's Children! >I am Rylanor and I am the Ancient of Rites! >So I reject you for now and for always! >To strike you down, I have waited for a million nights!
but build dedicated to throwing knifes must be pretty bad, right? I doubt I'll be able to clear Depot A with only knifes and nades, especially since mutants are immune to bio damage.
fairly easy actually cause you just rush for MKlVs >mutant are resistant to acid not bio so burrower caltrops and cave ear knives work great, they are resistant to gas granades though for the most part >quick tinkering and trapping a doorway is all you need for depot A anyway
I know, the only thing is poison is bio damage but the game does a bad job distinguishing that and gas. From what I gathered gas is the only "bio" damage that's different since all other are ones are poisons or the ones in DC that's basically poison but in gas form. >cave ear poison still works with all of them though besides the enemies who can resist it
2 years ago
Anonymous
theres bio and theres poison; poisons are generally attached to other damage
like, a crawler stings you and then you are poisoned, but if it dealt no damage then you dont get poisoned; something had to get through your armor and your skin to inject the poison, bio resistance from armor does not protect against that
bio damages applied from outside, like gas, are
there are a few outside bio damages, heartbreakers, creepers, locusts, sowers, gas
a mutant could prance through a pack of heartbreakers and never get damaged
Biggest thing is to get enemies past that 25% (about 35% when speced) damage range to get gureenteed crits for fatal throw on armored enemies. Most granades and traps should do that job. You also want max remote surgeon as soon as possible to still do damage with throwing knives. >it will get resisted around half the time but you will still prob accidentally kill a enemy just because of split spare
>make a non-psi, no-guns character
Holy fricking shit I'm so rich what the frick. Rolling in thousands of credits and charons and I've only just entered the junkyard.
You will take that back when you finally get to craft your own electronic melee weapons.
Adv repair kits are fricking expensive to buy, hard to craft and they eat batteries like a fricking b***h.
rushing the chainsword...is there really not a shortcut to phreak's room after getting there? my level 10 ass has to get by all these fricking spiders every god damn time? also, can I talk to the acid hunters, or do they need to die? i doubt I can kill them right now.
You can just take the ladder west of phreaks specific hidey-hole and you can climb back the same way once your character knows it's there. The spiders only need to be dealt with once, and those doors make it piss easy. Gas grenade them, and move in to stab the closest spider to keep aggro when the door automatically opens. Remember to close it, of course.
The Acid hunters can be let go with no trouble. Not even a speech check involved, you just tell them to frick off.
The phone puzzle does force you into a relatively difficult fight with some bandits when you need to actually enter the secret space, but they check out explosions, so sneaking past isn't that hard.
The final hurdle is the double industrial bots + sentry bot. Bring some grenades, toss them close to lure the crawlers over to the bots so you don't need to deal with that shit. Use emp to make some distance and hopefully lure the bots onto the electricity frickzone, or just lock them out of the room, as I'm pretty sure industrial bots can't open doors.
Obviously, you're going to need a shield to take a few flamethrower hits from the bots. Toss a gas grenade at mordre, he'll drop a fantastic quality knife and a decent shield.
any pro tips for a first timer doing the sound puzzle for phreak? im also a PERlet so i dont have that to help me. guessing ill need to get audacity open.
No two of the sounds are equal pitch, so you can order them all from highest to lowest. Listen to them without a sequence loaded and write down the order using symbols or short words. When you hear the sequence, write out where each sound seems in pitch compared to the others. Line this up with you order and go back to double check note you hear to see which it's closest to (for the button that doesnt play use process of elimination). The buttons for each sound dont change from phone to phone so eventually you should develop an innate grasp of which button is which sound.
alright, so first you grab a pen and paper
listen to each of the six tones/notes, then organize them from high to low or vice versa; however you think they'd fall on a scale
write down the color/icon associated with them (yellow, rat, cross, etc)
listen to them until you have a mental "picture" of what "yellow" sounds like, etc
then after that add a description of what that note sounds like
attach the orange phone thing, listen to the sequence
focus just on the first note, think real hard about which one it is; the following notes can help you place it on the scale
you can also play around on the orange phone itself without exiting the current sequence; you can test some of the sounds (some wont work), then jump back into the sequence
write down the first note when you think you got it, then listen to the sequence again and again, focusing on each next note in particular, until you are sure you have all six or seven correct (sometimes its 7 notes)
I write them down in order before I enter the sequence
you have to do three sequences in a row without fail
I forgot to say that you can replay a sequence as much as you need, you just can't exit
and you can check notes on the orange phone while working on a sequence; it doesnt "exit" you out
my notes for them are:
yellow = ringing high note
green = electronic ringing high note, slightly lower than yellow
red cross (+) = flat ringing (sounds like the first note in that wedding music when the bride is walking down the aisle)
blue = flat electronic ringing; sounds like a string, plays longer and sounds more echo-y
exclamation (!) = low ringing
rat = low flat bassy noise
so theres two highs, two mediums, two lows, each category has a higher version and a lower, more electronic version
at least thats how it sounds to me
(the notes and signs are randomized each playthrough; so the signs I listed probably won't match your sounds)
alright, so first you grab a pen and paper
listen to each of the six tones/notes, then organize them from high to low or vice versa; however you think they'd fall on a scale
write down the color/icon associated with them (yellow, rat, cross, etc)
listen to them until you have a mental "picture" of what "yellow" sounds like, etc
then after that add a description of what that note sounds like
attach the orange phone thing, listen to the sequence
focus just on the first note, think real hard about which one it is; the following notes can help you place it on the scale
you can also play around on the orange phone itself without exiting the current sequence; you can test some of the sounds (some wont work), then jump back into the sequence
write down the first note when you think you got it, then listen to the sequence again and again, focusing on each next note in particular, until you are sure you have all six or seven correct (sometimes its 7 notes)
I write them down in order before I enter the sequence
you have to do three sequences in a row without fail
I forgot to say that you can replay a sequence as much as you need, you just can't exit
and you can check notes on the orange phone while working on a sequence; it doesnt "exit" you out
my notes for them are:
yellow = ringing high note
green = electronic ringing high note, slightly lower than yellow
red cross (+) = flat ringing (sounds like the first note in that wedding music when the bride is walking down the aisle)
blue = flat electronic ringing; sounds like a string, plays longer and sounds more echo-y
exclamation (!) = low ringing
rat = low flat bassy noise
so theres two highs, two mediums, two lows, each category has a higher version and a lower, more electronic version
at least thats how it sounds to me
(the notes and signs are randomized each playthrough; so the signs I listed probably won't match your sounds)
I've recorded a reference track of all the sounds in sequence and then recorded the puzzle sounds and went through them comparing with the reference.
still needed a pen and paper, but i just replaced the sound files with my own voice saying Black person, homosexual, frick, shit, etc. then i took my chainsaw to Phreak's face and use his glove in my off hand for applying expose weakness 🙂
I just got bored because I did not play in a while and was trying out a shotgun build then I got to that part in Depot A where acid dogs and mutants just constantly pin you down and I don't know how to deal with that other than with grenades and I'm too lazy to go back and restock and it's a boring tactic anyway but there's no other way considering my build so it's boring.
Had a fantastic time exploring water treatment plant though.
not that you should know if you are unfamiliar with the game, but as long as you have stealth and lockpicking(hacking helps too), you don't ever have to fight any mutants or mutant dogs. you really only have to fight some regular dogs and muties(not mutants) for some keys. shotguns start out a bit rough, and if you don't have leading shot you might as well restart
Yeah it's just that I really dislike playing anything stealthy in Underrail. And I abhor psykers in any sort of a sci-fi setting so I never even tried a psi build. In terms of pacing, I always thought that Underrail was a horrific slog every time you went out of the dungeon and into the disjointed cities. Each time I restarted to try a melee build or something crossbow or knife based I had to ride the elevators or capture fricking cave hoppers for Big Black person and the Junktown itself is just a shitty area that takes ages to go through when running errands. In fact Depot A would be kinda fun if they did not put the two things I hate most about RPG enemies - stunlock and acid baths into one huge bundle of joy. I'm probably a shitty player but I can breeze through Depot A with explosives/molotovs and that perk that reduces cooldown.
1. My name is Player Character, what's yours?
2. Tell me about xyz.
3. Wowzers! That's a heckin biggerino of a riflerino mister!
4. Time to die! (Attack)
5. Nod
6. I am going to leave now. (Leave)
>2.
1. Tell me about x
2. Did y really do something to x?
3. Tell me about z
4. Take me back to previous menu.
>The man standing before you has the vague odor of a fumigated rathound carcass. You notice that his feet are covered in rags and he anxiously picks at scabs covering his naked shoulder. It seems that some of the blisters are pulsating.
1. My name is Player Character, what's yours?
2. Wowzers! What's that blisterino on your skin mister?
3. Prepare to meet your Maker! (Attack)
4. Say nothing
5. Did you happen to see Ultra Specific Quest Part 3000 somewhere around here?
6. Time to leave. (Leave)
Ok so if I go for the pistol (chem pistol preferably) build with some stealth thrown in for good measure with grenades to get me out of tight spots, the problem is - and I want to play on at least hard - how much STR do I need? If I get only 3 to max other things is the lack of armor going to frick me up?
if you are playing chem pistols, your goal is to get the CAU armor and never take it off. that said, a proper chem pistol build would completely dump STR.
Leather armour is also good, you just need infused mutated dog leather tabi to go along with it to avoid getting damaged by your own acid pools all the time.
The difference between normal and hard is staggering. Rather than less health/healing AND more enemies (who are also stronger enemies), he should have just picked one.
I'm planning on starting my second run of the game and doing hard more this time with a trap/crafting build and no psi. Since I've already seen the stuff with the crystals on my first playthrough, do I miss anything big by not using psi at all?
I do wonder how random uniques work. I know they can sometimes spawn as loot, so does that mean the game decides that at the start of the game so they can never show up in shops if that happens? Does the opposite work so one could be assigned to one specific shop at the start of the game and never show up anywhere else? If that's the case does that mean one could be placed in a faction specific merchant's inventory? Could you be hunting for one for ages without knowing that it's impossible because you joined the wrong faction?
I have many questions and no answers.
i've never used CE beyond merchant refresh. dunno how to spawn in items nor acquire the item ID of this new item. i'm considering learning though, there's not many boot-selling merchants left in this playhrough and I want those damn jumping stilts
Wellp got an AR, a shock dagger and sledge from killing those cannibals.
They're good but my character doesn't really have any use for them.
Shame.
Do I just sell them? Scrap em for metal parts? Idk
If they're worth a decent amount (relative to condition), repair them then sell. If they aren't/wouldn't be worth much, then scrap for repair kits, which you can use on other useless gear with higher value potential.
Have you checked the electronics vendors in junkyard, core city, foundry, and SGS? Remember to buy those intensifier tubes in the crafting section too so you can make your own much better ones eventually.
If anyone has trouble with taking out the gang guarding Hugo, tossing a gas grenade 4 squares East of Joey will draw Draw and him to try and disarm it.
You can keep engaging both of them in conversation, each time you do it will reset their disarm meter.
As the gas builds up, they will build up stacks of contamination, making it easy to take them both out once you initiate combat.
Or you could just cheese them with bear traps like everything else in the game lol.
I just crafted 9mm Hammerer but when I put it in my hand it won't show on character, I can load it but the bullets don't show in the right section of the screen and during combat the character acts as if unarmed. I don't see any penalties listed on the weapon that would prohibit me from using it. What gives?
I just crafted a chemical pistol. When I get that perk that doubles the damage of crafted chemical pistols will it be applied retroactivelly or do I need to make a new one?
man, I wish i made a save during the abomination fight so i could reload and fight him again. killing him with survival instincts nimblecan bleed chainsaw was so much fun. he couldn't even touch me and was just a huge bag of meat to saw up.
i think so, because it doesn't increase the damage you deal, but the damage stat of the crafted item
bison tabis seem like the best idea; +1 con boosts hp/fort/conditioning, additional fort on top of that, and good cold DR
bison comes in higher qualities than anything else, so highest base mp/dodge/evasion bonuses
>gun users get lovely goggles that improve their accuracy, crit chance and let them see in the dark >psi users get stylish headbands that supercharge their reality warping powers >big boi melee users get very cool metal helmets that grant immunity to enemy crits and come with built-in sunglasses
What the frick do us nimble melee users get? Fricking balaclavas? What is this shit.
yep, or headbands if you're a psi hybrid
nowdays theres shit like the bioscrubber or deaths grin
kevlar clavas are great in the early game, blast/antithermic/black are situational and depend on your build but at least they are nice basically-free bonuses
I will play a weeb katana build with TM. I need to finish Expedition asap to get Red Dragon. That shit's so late in the game and there is no other sword that fits the criteria.
im overleveled of course, but still, 7 enemies on my first turn (almost; drugged up and ran around corner 1st turn, 2nd turn came out and started choppin')
My first character is named after my steam/online name, all of them are named after something that fits or is thematically related to my build
Antonidas for my pure psion (Warcraft 3 campaign Archmage)
Stormcaller for my EK psion, self explanatory
Discobulus for my throwing knifer
Charles Martel for my stoic psiless tungsten tank hammergay
Ajax for my heavy MT Hoplite
Kenshiro for my psiless STR barefist monk
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA for my burning man
Etc etc etc
It's pretty random. My first ever character was named Mauzer after that Serbian song. On my dom play trough when I got the jihadist belt, I named my melee/explosive character Osama. Full with portrait and according stats.
I name them after famous heroes from around the world.
It's pretty random. My first ever character was named Mauzer after that Serbian song. On my dom play trough when I got the jihadist belt, I named my melee/explosive character Osama. Full with portrait and according stats.
Holy shit my first build was called Ljubo Mauzer too lmao, he was a shotgun trenchcoat psi guy, because when I started the game I knew literally nothing about how it worked, but it turned out OK.
Can I play through the base game without Expedition and then get the expansion to play afterwards if I feel like it without missing anything in the base game?
you'll miss a psi school, a couple weapon types, a bunch of items, the waterways/jet skis, I think some quests, and the lvl cap will be 25 instead of 30
its fine to do that, as long as you didnt want to use any of the stuff that isn't available
Cool, I'll give it a go without the expansion to see what the game is like without the extra skills.
you'll miss a psi school, a couple weapon types, a bunch of items, the waterways/jet skis, I think some quests, and the lvl cap will be 25 instead of 30
its fine to do that, as long as you didnt want to use any of the stuff that isn't available
I'm playing for the first time in like a year. What new important NPCs/quests have been added that I might miss if I end up just going through the same route I did before and not talking to every single NPC I see everywhere?
Why is everyone saying that Depot A is a huge difficulty spike? I just finished it with relative ease and then went to that Rail town and as soon as I wander out I get random raider enemies one shotting me.
>first proper big dungeon in the game >introduces enemies using an entirely new damage type you are most likely not prepared to resist at that point >mutants have both high HP and damage, lower your hit chance with yell, acid spray can't miss and has high 1-shot potential >mutated dogs can immobilize you, normal dogs are annoying because they are hard to hit and take your AP away with tackle >muties are usually quite big groups with dog support
But most importantly, it's a mandatory step to progress the main questline and open up the world. You're free to skip 1-shoting bandits and do something else until you're strong enough to wipe the floor with them, but Depot A is something you have to do and it's always going to be one of the more challenging things up to that point.
Crafting is one of the keys to breaking the game. To a degree Styg doesn't seem to respect non-crafting enough, like certain components never spawn randomly on vendor gear even if its build critical. Its more damage, its more defense, and its exactly what you're looking for.
How do I stop looting everything? I know I can't sell it, but I still take it. It's there, in the barrel, so I'll have it. Is that really so wrong? I mean, why must Styg punish that behaviour?
Given how empty the foreign wikis are I wonder if they come here/RPGcodex and machine translate posts from autists to try and learn the super secret bullshit that isn't even on the normal wiki.
Is Hard mode even worth bothering with? The extra enemies made it seem fun but half healing, and double healing cooldown, is just making it tedious. If your health drops, you've lost the fight. Few battles seem to last 12 fricking turns, and 40-75 healing is less than the damage a single enemy can inflict in a single turn.
its a game nothing is worth anything in a vacuum
you're struggling because you view your health as a tug of war, if you are playing properly your health is mostly static due to invalidating all incoming damage with either proper defense, shields, stuns, LoS, or your own damage
I'm doing melee, so that means getting up in peoples' faces and having to take damage accordingly.
Energy shields are definitely gay as frick, but they did save my ass against the last burrower gangbang.
For an extra moan, I really wish damage wasn't so inconsistent in this game. It's bizarre going from ~15 damage hits to suddenly 140 damage just because you got a crit.
What?
The developers already advanced fast and already got the very basic foundation of the game and models out, they all have experiencie at developing a game and it's not just Styg alone merely 'swinging' it
everything is new and being remade
its a new team with a new dynamic
the engine is not done
the game system math is going to be overhauled
he's still trying to make dlc for this game
you need to write the things the people in the game will say
the game needs to run on people's computers without crashing >1 year
get real
>everything is new and being remade
Yes but it will have the same ruleset as the base game >its a new team with a new dynamic
And? This game started with styg as a rookie developer working all on it's own, learning as he went. Now he got a whole team of experiencied developers. >the engine is not done
Kinda, but Styg said he got a guy running around a map, as character test >the game system math is going to be overhauled
I didnt read anything about that. >he's still trying to make dlc for this game
He said 'MAYBE' will do a DLC, but right now his focus on Infusion >you need to write the things the people in the game will say
Yeah, and? >the game needs to run on people's computers without crashing
Hopefully, but since now the devs know what they are doing, I hope the game crashes less.
I still give it 2 years for Infusion to at the very least get to Beta.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah but anon I have a deepseated need to be a cynical blackpilled shit-talking homosexual
>Unique weapons suck.
Not all of them, some are on par or only slightly worse than top tier crafts, some surpass crafted stuff. >I wish there was a way to upgrade them.
There is.
So has anyone tried Colony Ship? Its a lot like, and made by the people who did, Age of Decadence. There seems to be a lot of Underrail's influence in it. Should be straight up your alley.
Aesthetically. The core of Underrail gameplay is cruel, swingy, undesigned combat where people are doing 50%-400% of each other's life totals multiple times a turn, unless you have armor which drops that down to 0%-5% damage.
I used Balor's Hammer on my last run, but it looks cool
its strong in a way other swords aren't; I'm eager to see some videos
Does it have a unique sprite or does it look like a generic machete?
unique
wait, no its sprite is regular
no weapon has a unique sprite
the weapon image is unique like all others
>has a unique sprite
The red dragon does, I think.
no, I use it all the time
you're thinking of the phantom dancer sprite which does have a katana in hand if you're holding a sword
Ahh, that makes sense. It's a shame we don't have unique sprite for weapons.
this is the biggest reason i quit my dominating knight build. when i got the claymore and realized it was both not a two handed weapon, but also looked like a machete, i couldn't go on much longer. that, and swords are a fricking nightmare on DOM.
>and swords are a fricking nightmare on DOM
kek
ah yes, i knew it would draw you out of the woodwork. nice "sword" build. the massive amount of drugs and PSI magic TOTALLY didn't carry your entire playthrough. pure sword action right there.
you're both homosexuals
you especially
>miss
>LTI
>switch to knife
wow that was hard
tm dipping anime troony homosexual
*Snort*
I bet you play bleed builds in Souls games, 100%
I don't play souls games.
Shit taste, AND you make Reddit memes to reinforce how cool you think you are? Holy frick dude
Just let the homie post his shit. However lame you think his build/memes are it’s only a fraction of how gay you look when you get assmad about it.
I honestly can't imagine most Underrail fans caring about Souls games.
There can't be much overlap between oldschool TB WRPG boomers and whoever the frick plays those meme console JRPGs. Huge generation gap, at least.
I like both. That said, how much I like the Souls games has been decreasing in release order, Elden Ring was okay enough to play it but I have no interest in replaying it.
So what new shit was added recently aside from that chainsword? I might have to do ANOTHER playthrough or at least just plot out a build progression in my head and never play the game.
frick I still haven't done the lemurian spear build.
souls games are some of my favorites. You're right that there really isn't much of an overlap in terms of the content, but many people just end up liking a variety of games. Also I wouldn't say souls games are jrpg-y.
you mean pre-nerf bleed, before fromsoft realizes they fricked up and then nerfs everything into the ground and never balances it afterwards :^)
never change, fromsoft, you stupid crazy bastards. and frick anyone who ever used pre-nerf bleed builds in ds3.
>"Shit taste"
>plays Souls games
?
>soulsBlack person
>can't get "you didn't beat the game" shit out of his head
When Dragon's Dogma 2 comes out, and your youtuber zeitgeist forces you to play "the next Elden Ring!!!", will you be there posting about Pawns being cheating?
Not him, but I long time ago, like more than a year ago, I made an agile, psiless lightweight SS nimble can swordman with bleed stack, long before the SS purification data thingies.
Going to play devil's advocate for a moment: Swords do not miss more than any other melee, it's merely the fact that every sword miss is way more noticiable since every swing HAS to land or you lose your momentum, on top of Flurry being, what? 3 swings with 1 attack? 5% Chance to miss starts to look not so irrelevant when you are swinging dozens of times but only takes 1 miss to get you killed, eventually it will happen, and you have to rely on a plan B to get out alive. Which is why our local swordgay uses TM as a crutch :v)
Many times I have noticed, that I'd take adrenaline, land an expose weakness then swing with a Super Slam on a weak but dangerours enemy... Miss. at 95% chance to hit. Inmediadly follow with a Pummel. It lands and crits, killing the enemy.
Or when playing my psiless STR barefist monk, you'd think that above 90% CtH you'd hit pretty much punch, but you will kinda miss often, more noticiable on a Combo third punch.
Swords feel like shit because it's an 'all or nothing' type of weapon in a game that, unless you use psi, RNG will eventually frick you over, and if you dont have a backup plan for that you will fricking die.
*Snort*
Shut up sword troony
On the other hand drugs are good and you're a dumb homosexual
your pic is your drug of choice it sounds like, pipeworker
>Strife
What a fricking fruit, lmao
The souls games don't appeal to me in terms of either gameplay nor aesthetic. I have dragons dogma, which at least has a sort of skyrim thing going on with its world roaming and looting, but the combat is just repetitive and cartoony. Then there's the autistic capcom dialogue and story. No thanks; I'll stick to my god-tier oldschool iso-rpgs.
>put a few points into chem/bio
>entire game is trivialized
nothin personnel
step up your game
switch to cave ear caltrops and crawler bear traps
Combat utilities are a tough question in Underrail's balance because of how powerful they are, to the point where it's a badge of honor to not use them (like in sheepherder's builds).
At the same time, you can't just nerf them into the ground because they are necessary to soften the edges of a non-optimized build, or for some of the hardest encounters.
I like the way crossbows do it. They aren't that strong on paper but you build them up with a roll call of game mechanics (perks, traps, stealth, utilities, crafting) until they become a force to be reckoned with. It takes away a lot of the feeling of being a crutch that I think a lot of people get from grenades.
sheep abuses the shit out of TM and SI/crit chance though
also metas like a mofo
Strife, as you can see in basically all of the screenshots, just uses flashbangs, nets, and a taser. All three mainly just for getting 95% for flurries, but obviously flashbangs are a get out of jail card as well.
meh i prefer shotguns since they dont eat assloads of ammo every encounter
haha shotgun burst goes boomboomboom lol
that on DOM, what's yer shotty build?
it is DOM, yeah. has been fun and satisfying, though there was a brief time where i was using very shitty armor and it was a bit of suffering. grabbed some hypercerebrix and crafted top quality shit, now it's easy street to 30 while I kill everything in the game. I was right at 24 when I took that screenshot, something like this:
https://underrail.info/build/?GAkFBgoKAwPCggAAAAAAS1pQAADCgsKCFFFUAAAAAABhe2M5wrAmwpbCjzsIVR8VwpgOUOKzrATit7AF378
going for intimidation now since I don't need crafting skills anymore, and I may as well pick up Yell as I reach godhood.
Interesting, looks good.
A while back I tried shotty build on DOM and went for lighter armor type to have more movement. My biggest issue was that I thought I needed to max PER (lets say 16?) and having no leading shot.
hmm low int not hurting your crafting? But for the rest this is a really good take for heavy armor type of guy.
i have been interested in trying out a mobile shotty build, but I find sprint to be enough mobility. you really want to be tanky since you need to be close, and be in a position to hit multiple enemies or funnel them. i have also made the mistake of no leading shot before and deleted that character. it's truly a mandatory shotgun feat unless you enjoy having a shitty time or use grenadier to carry your build. low INT certainly delayed the best gear, but often crafting the best items in the game super early makes me get bored and lose interest sooner.
I see. I guess the greater mobility allows you to move behind objects while reloading or after AP used up, for longer periods of time. But if face tanking with that build instead gives the same result, well I works too. It's just been too long since I've played since all the changes to know what works or not....
Btw, no survival instincts? Or too risky with hanging round too low HP.
something about shotguns just makes me want to stand there in the open as a "frick you, try me" kinda thing. mostly i just came off playing warcrimes and crossbow characters, so playing another LoS-abusing CONlet was out of the question.
> so playing another LoS-abusing CONlet was out of the question
lol. My man. I'm kind of the same way. I may give this a shot(ty).
Forgot to ask, progression wise, what route did you go with perks and gear? I will play Oddity btw.
I posted my build here
for the most part the feats were taken in the order this build outlines. gassed the dronetards, went with JKK for my wife Vivian and easier time getting my house for crafting benches. full tungsten tank with sprint; tungsten reinforced boots, tungsten visor helm for flashbanging my feet. shell strap belt.
Thanks
I just walked around in concrete armor with dual assault rifles
Obviously, bloodpsican is the best build.
I think stealth TM AR beats it, but boodpsican is definitely up there
too bad you get the industrial exoesqueleton a bit too late in the game
Remote Control Energizer Glove + Industrial Powered Exoskeleton looks like a neat combo
dont let your dreams be dreams anon
Infusion will have more detailed kill animations especially for special attacks, right?
>Deathstalker initiates combat
*YELL*
'Found ye'
BASED.
If you're that worried about it just play on easy and/or use a build guide.
absolutely true. I once made it down the core sity research facility hall by popping EA, juicing up, and screaming down the corridor.
I should play this game but my brain is probably too small for it
>HECU
>M16
>not using the MP5
Not only an animetroony but also a HD pack homosexual
PS2 version best version
For true authenticity he should have a gun that can transform between an MP5 and an extremely loud MP5SD depending on whether he's holding it or not.
Seriously what the frick is up with that Valve?
Thinking of dipping PK for that delicious electric sex with my str swordser. Psychostatic electricity yay or nay?
I'd go premed too so it's free stun + crit chance, but is it just overkill or worse in action than on paper?
static would be overkill
thanks anon. guess i'll then have room for something else silly. too bad uncanny dodge isn't agi 7.
THERES A FRICKING CHAINSWORD NOW? GODDAMN IT STYG STOP MAKING ME REPLAY THIS GAME
also hey that's my picture from my first playthrough of the dlc 😀
I forgot I even had this game, I want to try it now.
So you can make basically a Jin Roh dude?
Can someone link me a build?
I wonder what shit to pick for skills, I guess hacking and lockpicking is mandatory for oddity.
https://underrail.info/build/?HgsDAwwLAwPCoMKgAAAAAAAAAAAAwobCgmJObgAAAAAAwqB7AVAmYxU7SlVJRAgfYk9xc8K14p-iBeKijQPip6oD4qe0BN-_
Thanks man.
Interesting. no lockpicking nor hacking.
Btw do you recommend normal or hard?
If its your first time ever playing, hard oddity is fine
but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
it would be hard at first since no stealth and low throwing and initiative, but once you got past the 2nd mission it would be downhill from there
The game is intriguing. The psy build was pulling me in because of System shock 2 memories.
But the game feels so moody with its presentation that I want a stoic Jin Roh type guy that is mostly just exploring this sunless sea type setting in silence and drugged out of his mind with hypos.
Noted.
grenades can carry you early since you won't have a good weapon or any armor in a build that's nothing but weapon+armor but you will be fricking broke as well
Well that reminds me of some fallout 1 and 2 builds so Ill manage.
>but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
What kind of deranged troony recommends Dominating the first time for someone simply wanting to try the game out the first time?
>If its your first time ever playing, hard oddity is fine
>but you could do dom; its not *that* hard even for newbies, they'll just have to apply themselves
Surely somebody wouldn't just go on to the internet and tell lies.
yeah sure, tell him to play on normal (or hard if he's REALLY HARDCORE) so he can get bored and quit at lvl 15
you mean so he gets bored and restarts on a more fun and challenging difficulty. restartitis is pretty much the name of the game and I don't feel like a minority admitting I played through the game up to DC at least 4 times before I found a build I loved and beat the final boss with it. new players should start on normal, period.
normal is simply unacceptable
hard is plenty easy; I plowed through it with my first character and had no real difficulty, even though I didnt know what I was doing
>normal is simply unacceptable
Picrel.
>hard is plenty easy; I plowed through it with my first character and had no real difficulty, even though I didnt know what I was doing
What build? Pre-nerf psi? Tin can AR with throwing?
xbow trapper, back in 2017
"this is the way the game is intended to be played"
pic-related
luprechaun
that's the st. Patrick day event though, and it's not Halloween lurkers so wtf obscure event thing is there now for April fools
oh, right
I dont know then
On April 1st I encountered a woman named April in foundry, although I think you can find her in other places. She was talking about how her brother sold some crossbow and that she was trying to find it, but don't quote on me that. I don't remember anything besides that.
Never mind. She was trying to find scope liquid for her brother's crossbow. Scope liquid doesn't exist, which means he pranked her.
but the game says normal is the way it was intended. any difficulty is fine.
sometimes playing on normal gives you more leeway to mess with builds.
t. i play mostly dominating now, but normal is fine
Stygg listening to you type of morons is what ruined this game.
wtf are you talking about? stygs made it way easier in the years since I started playing
Frick you Black person.
you might get your shit pushed in in the early game on hard and get discouraged
>So you can make basically a Jin Roh dude?
Yeah, High STR + High CON + Tungsten Armor + Assault Rifles are the winning combination, though my Jin-Roh build is a lot different from this guy's:
with greater focus on Will and Stoicism.
Stoicism seems interesting as well but will is stealing a bit from other attributes.
>but will is stealing a bit from other attributes
I find that Will eventually pays off itself with not only Stoicism, but feats like Iron Will and Fight Response as well, though yeah I agree for the most part it takes a while for Stoicism (and by extension Will) to really take off, but AR Tin Cans aren't exactly starved for points like say, Punchgays.
I dont have expeditions but I see its only 3 levels more.
last stand seems a must for both Survival Instincts conditioning and stoicism.
Yes, but you have to fully spec Last Stand duration to be good, if you wont then LS is not worth it
expidition is 25-30 and unlocks the ability to spec into feats
that being said iron will doesn't do a whole lot without expedition as the enemies it is useful against are pretty rare unless you piss off the faceless
Stoicism, specially if fully spec'd is REALLY good, is probably THE BEST tank oriented feat in this game, also with conditioning, allow you to actually make good use of Survival Instincts without cheesing it (if you have regen best), on top of everything else the previous anon say, Iron Will also will let you survive a little bit more against TC shenanigans
it does have tempered electricity though
combine that with aegis and morphine and you're almost immune to all electrical damage, even TC shit
thought it comes at 28 so you'd need to put off the lunatics and native shore until pretty late
Any know what the hell the april fools event is. I checked wiki to see if the updated the stuff and don't remember that being a thing before
The intended way is indeed normal since the buff to players health is to compensate the fact its usually a mob of enemies against a single player.
If the game had companions hard would be normal.
That said its more of a balancing issue with builds.
dom = hard
hard = normal
normal = easy
easy = game journalist
everybody knows it
Is the game heavy on dialogue, persuasion worthy? Or not needed ?
persuasion is nifty in a lot of situations its certainty not needed though. A lot of builds that min max don't run any persuasion usually
persuasion helps you deal with stoners
it's quite useful but you don't need it
Does aimed shot worth it for a full auto commando AR build, its kinda fricking hard finding good synergy info on underrail out there.
I understand it to be useful but cuttable
it helps early on
and later on if you go the crit route and have an anatomical 9mm chimera, its nice to be able to 1-shot a Black person instead of wasting 9 bullets on him
I lack that context you know, but you might have a point.
you should do your first run with a good amount of persuasion. i personally invest 85 in persuasion every run just because i want certain characters to stay alive/dead, not that i need them, it's just for completition's sake
I guess, but the game is fricking starving for skill points.
Its not that I like min maxing, I love flawed but playable characters. But the game seems to rely on tons of synergies. And crafting seems much more powerful than buying shit.
Was wonder if full auto burst benefits from it. Or if its only one shot from eh rifle. If so critical power semis nice paired with it.
burst is a special attack
aimed shot is a special attack
you can't use them at the same time
Thanks. so I kinda ditch it.
Playing this again. Hard/classic again. Knife couldn't kill the bots in GMS compound this time, tried to avoid them and killed the bandits but got walled by the bot on the way back out the trapdoor.
So I reloaded an earlier save to try and get to level 6 so I could learn expertise for my non-crit knife attacks, did it, then started pickpocketing npcs in Junkyard and found a frickin shock knife. Didn't know you can get one that way.
Whenever I read dialogue form the Dude I always read it in Tommy Chong's voice.
Pretty sure everyone does that.
1-3 AR
4-6 energy weapons
7-9 lightning
0 someone tell me
Lightning, im running this shaman build, pure psion with PK/TM specialized in EK spam, and its fricking godly
I saw an anon using tesla armor in a pk build with spears I think and it looked pretty neat.
Probably that guy was me, and technically it was the native basic psionic staff, i had no melee skill whatsoever
I gave the game an honest try but it is tedious in the most boring ways possible.
Nothing to do with difficulty, game is ridiculously easy once you understand how broken some things are (grenades and traps) but it's just tedious to the point I roll my eyes at shit constantly. Too bad because I really like how the game does a lot of stuff, but the combat just fricking sucks.
Filtered
This is why you minmax, so you can put down the grenades and traps and still dominate.
Maybe the game is just not all that interesting because of my build, I mean I have 50 hours and most of the gameplay was crafting god frags, traps, making one enemy stuck in a corridor and clearing 5 enemies at once with a frag. Not the most engaging gameplay, so maybe it's my own fault. Is a gun build more engaging?
Also I locked myself out of a quest by pure accident and that annoyed me but I expected this game doing stuff like that so yeah.
I'm also heavily disappointed in the stealth system. I thought it would be more interesting than this but it really feels underwhelming. A lot of things in the game feel a bit underwhelming honestly.
I also went into this game blind, I got lucky that the shit I like doing in RPGs happens to be a god build here, I probably would have gotten buttfricked with anything else.
Nothing is engaging, you kill the enemies. Its just that traps and gas, and caltraops all are too slow when you could just generally win most fights with a high crit build.
Eh maybe it's just not the game for me then. I was expecting a more interesting game especially from a combat centric RPG but it just feels lacking in that department. Really like the setting, how the exploration plays out and the crafting is super good, sad the combat is just boring.
I also don't get it, I joined protectorate, I was expecting quests where I get to fight with fellow protectorate soldiers and instead I got dumb fetch quests where I am sent alone. I don't get it, it's not like the game is not able to handle friendly units, it just never does it. My favorite parts of the game so far have been when people fight with you because it creates interesting combat scenarios (especially with grenades, you don't want to kill your teammates with those) but the game purposefully never does it in favor of having you fight an entire army by yourself. Missed opportunities everywhere.
>I don't get it, it's not like the game is not able to handle friendly units
Uhhh that's one of the worst parts about the game, you throw fire on the ground, instead of walking around it they walk through it then unanimously aggro you like you directly attacked them and ignore the enemies.
>I'm also heavily disappointed in the stealth system. I thought it would be more interesting than this but it really feels underwhelming.
How deep do stealth systems get? I'm interested in recommendations especially for RPGs.
I haven't played many games with good stealth mechanics, only good stealthy stuff I've played is in tabletop rpgs and even then in a lot of games it really sucks (dnd kinda plays like a circus).
I mean when I specced into stealth I was expecting things like surprise attacks, additional buffs for initiating combat out of stealth or surprising enemies by having the drop of them, fricking around with enemies by making them move somewhere on purpose (you can do it in this game but attracting enemies with shit grenades then restealthing kinda breaks the thing I was going for), having stealth-only abilities, you know, shit like that. Instead in this game, stealth just means I don't initiate combat instantly and I move slower, which is kind of a wienerblock.
I was told it's the same for hacking, where you think by speccing into that you'll be able to frick with turrets, making them fight for you, perhaps crafting shit you see in the game (being able to craft kamikaze bots would have been so fun) but instead it's limited to a few areas and it's for loot.
I just find this game has all these features and not a lot of them are fully fleshed out in scenarios where it actually matters, it's frustrating.
I wasn't using molotovs so I didn't run into issues like that, I just wish these sections were better crafted and that there were more of them. I literally joined protectorate because I thought it was cool I would join squads to do cool shit around the world, but it sucked instead.
>tabletop rpgs
Oh true see I wouldn't have thought about that I never play them.
>I mean when I specced into stealth I was expecting things like surprise attacks, additional buffs for initiating combat out of stealth or surprising enemies by having the drop of them, fricking around with enemies by making them move somewhere on purpose (you can do it in this game but attracting enemies with shit grenades then restealthing kinda breaks the thing I was going for), having stealth-only abilities, you know, shit like that. Instead in this game, stealth just means I don't initiate combat instantly and I move slower, which is kind of a wienerblock.
That's actually a really good point, I can only think of a couple feats that give you stuff to do out of stealth and it's just a damage buff and a special attack. Being able to inflict a status effect or something seems natural.
Yeah and since the game has the philosophy of enemies being able to do everything you do to them, it could also apply to enemies that like to stealth on you. It'd definitely make it more scary if an enemy could inflict you a debuff making you have less AP or something like that when they are the one initiating combat out of stealth. It makes perception that much important, it's super engaging as well. Like I said, just little things like that would make the combat that much more interesting.
are you really complaining that there aren't any scary stealthed enemies in underrail?
also you can make the game faster by hitting the + sign
I know death stalkers are a thing, and some enemies with stealth can kind of frick you up as well if they incapacitate you. It doesn't make the system interesting. That's the problem with this game, combat just does not have the nuance I was looking for, and that applies to a lot of mechanics, ideas, skills, feats. If the name of the game is a combat centric RPG then I really want these kinds of little things I mentioned to give me a reason to approach things a certain way instead of trapping people and nadding them to death. The literal only thing stopping you from doing that in this game is damage thresholds and resistances, but it's again more of a wienerblock solution rather than interesting game design.
Maybe I was waiting too much out of this game, it was hyped to me a lot, and I think the praises are deserved for a lot of things that are not combat related.
what weapon are you using
I said it earlier, I ran into this game blind, told myself stealth+traps+throwing knives would be fun, I ran into faceless enemies and realized damage thresholds and resistances were a thing, so I did the next best thing by replacing throwing knives by grenades, I have kind of breezed through most sections in the game without much strategy.
I know this is a late reply, but for frick's sake, it's goddamn irritating to deal with people like you, you're like Tony Soprano's mom.
I don't watch movies, israelite.
And so there's the proof of moronation, it's not a movie, but you just verified my point, you're a nagging, absolutely c**tish idiot.
Based
Stygg fellating discord troony
Daily reminder, discordgays are at the top of the underrail food chain
Kneel.
build and faction for this feel?
so I just got the game today and something I just read sold me, that I can be using psychic abilities. Any builds that let me go pure psychic and melt the brains of my enemies? or is that like a late game thing?
you can do a pure psychic. you might have to use the handgun or a knife and some grendes for the beginning stretch but you should be able to get some thought control shit going on early
nice! thank you
Me again - XP or oddity system for the first time? I am finally starting the game (I have super slow shit internet)
Oddity vs Classic is just
less vs more levels
If you go Oddity you want like 50~ pickpocketing so you can get oddities from friendlies/guards.
Never thought of that. Now I wont get pcikpocket oddities.
I guess I wont max level.
You have points. Also you won't hit max level with oddity anyway.
Really? That's a bummer I dont like overleveling on classic.
Levels are overrated. All that matters is that you have consumables, and hit the level where you can craft all your endgame gear before you hit another difficulty spike.
I heard on styg forums that if you have mercantile you can access better shit, can that cover not having shit like biology and chemistry?
Frick its so skill starved god damn.
Crafting is neat and all but it always fricks my brains in rpgs
You can minmax biology/chem by just having 45/20 respectively for focus stims/gas grenades (and similar low tier nades). 105-110 mercantile for the best merchants, they'll tell you when they have a secret inventory but you don't have the skill yet.
The game is probably perfectly finish able even with no crafting. but its neat having good equipment.
>I'll take preaching bullshit for 500.
Are you okay? Don't be a little homosexual, now.
Snappy comeback. But I'm sure a little homosexual will still make you cry in bed.
You're just a homosexual, I don't know what your deal is.
What's that? I can't hear you over your mom's gargling sounds sucking my wiener. You're supposed to be in bed, Jimmy.
Okay so I am playing the game again since it came out. Did the game have item weight limits?
I swear to God I didn't.
>Did the game have item weight limits?
Nope, you can carry as much as you can
Maybe I never noticed I only played for a few hours.
My tank is already at level 8, its getting powerful in hard.
Are you playing as a hammer wizard?
You better be
No I want to do a Jin Roh dude.
Its kinda shit since it seems I can only use AR and no backup weapon. Also there are not machine guns only assault rifles.
I never played ARs but I'm pretty sure you wont need anything else.
Also ARs can get pretty much like machine guns, just give it time.
Which there were companions.
The game is lonely but in a good way I guess.
It almost feel like a isometric blueprint for a fps rpg like System Shockarx fatalis.
Believe me, you wish you were alone the few times you have 'allies'
you should have an AR as your backup weapon
Well of course. I meant for variety sake.
some builds have fancier alternate weapons like acid/fire/cryo pistols or laser/plasma pistols
>Also there are not machine guns only assault rifles.
Akshually, select-fire rifles are machine guns.
Is the blast door ornamentation in Lemurian facilities deliberately designed to look like Goatse?
That's what they always remind me of
Well that was fricking annoying.
You have nice handwriting.
Don't hear the very often
Don't hear that*
I have something very similar in a notepad file so I don't have to write out everything when I do the puzzle again.
You can copy and paste the cipher text and octave keys if you didn't know.
I just use the online solver, but I wanted to try my hand at solving the puzzle at least once.
Ah right, I didn't even know there was a solver. The first time is the only bad time though, you're just going through the motions after that. If I get lucky with the cipher I can do it in about 5 minutes anyway.
You can do it very quickly if you look for the numbers directly, just take note of the numbers that are 1 over the third octave's number. It's most likely they belong to the code's numbers. You can brute force tue numbers that are spelled with letters.
In my cypher I should've looked for the number 1's in the key
So I've been thinking. What would happen to Psychosis if it was changed so that only the abilities that can crit had the increased psi cost?
The way it stands, when you're outside of Tranquility's use case (health missing), it's just a non-factor. When you're outside of Psychosis' use case (using utility spells), you're eating a fairly bad cost penalty for no benefit.
Maybe the real moral of the story is that Tranquility is too good. Nobody tell Styg.
Or make it so that all psi abilities can crit, fear/rage effects last twice as long, LTI reduces cooldowns by 2 turns, contraction gives an extra 10 AP and 15 MP, etc.
...that's a good point. Mental Breakdown already does that with offensive TC abilities.
More savescumming. People will reroll for crit haste even with a 5% chance.
It would be a buff to Psychosis I'd like, but Tranquility is the one that needs a buff. Generally, Tranquility is only better for Electrokinesis since you have Psychostatic Electricity for crit chance already, TC status effects (which already have high AP cost and cooldown so Tranquility is barely a bonus anyway), and TM since none of it can crit. Psychosis is better for literally everything else that deals damage, Neural Overload with Mania and LoC is your bread and butter for the entire game, Cryo Orb is also insane with Mania, 65% crit chance Plasma Beams are nuts.
What is the most protectorate build?
AR+poison traps/grenades
holy shit this second pirate raid is hell. ski combat is so bad
lmao look at these LARPers. time to get zoned the frick out, nerds.
Dont hurt mah bois
Post the best magic monk build.
Fancy Footwork
https://underrail.info/build/?Hg0MBwMDAwUASgDCoCjCoAAAAB4ACm4PKF8AwqAARgAAZisxJmkgE8KoBhIHS8KHQ04DwqnCtuKdjQrip74F378
Nimble Can variant (Super Steel + regen vest = 19% penalty)
https://underrail.info/build/?Hg0MAwYDAwYASgDCoB7CoAAAAB4AbGQPJVoAwqAARgAAZisxJmkgwqgGEgdLAyRFUE7Ch8KpwrbinY0K4qe-Bd-_
Nimblest Can (Super Steel + 1 Reinforce + Super Steel Helm + Regen = 24% penalty)
https://underrail.info/build/?Hg0MAwYDAwYASgDCoADCoAAAAB4AeGQPJVoAwqAARgAAZisxJmkgwqgGEgdLAyRFUMKHfMKpwrbinY0I4qGQBeKnggLfvw
I don't remember if I ever announced this here, but you can target enemies beyond the vision range by right-clicking them to bring up their portrait, moving away, choosing your attack, then left-clicking their portrait before it disappears. You need to be snappy though. Spears can have a range of up to 15 tiles, while vision range is 14 tiles.
I want to do All Quests playthrough, but it seems that wiki is not updated with Expedition content, and also new quests were added in the last couple of years. Any resources with a more complete information?
So I just bought the game any recommended builds or should I go in blind?
just play on normal, don't follow any build guides. there's a variety of weapons, but when you are making your character you should stick to one type(e.g., pistol build, shotgun build, knife build, etc). trying to spread between multiple weapon types or melee/ranged can leave your starved for skill points and feats. you can look through the feat list when starting and see what feats go with what weapon types, and stat requirements for them. ensure you are maxing one combat skill. mercantile is helpful, crafting is powerful but not needed, even on the hardest difficulties. basic grenades and traps do not require any skill point investment and are very powerful. main questions to ask yourself are: main weapon? magic(psi) or not? tanky or fast?
>main weapon?
Can psi act as a main weapon?
certainly. but you're forever labelled a psigay.
Yes, multi school psi is still viable on Normal. I would recommend you specialize if you plan to play on harder difficulties
Perk selection being spread too thin can slow you down in early game. Even if you do go with a multi-school approach, have some idea of which school is your primary damage dealer and focus the perks on that.
Can I play this game without being a supercharged psychic god?
Literally depends on you.
Haha Balor's goes bonk
Is psi-monk actually unironically viable?
Yes. No organic can survive fists, and you Expose Weakness/stunlock any tanky robots.
alright bros, not many things left to try. shall I pump INT for a high-technicalities energy/plasma pistol scientist, or something fist-related? I've never tried unarmed or any fist weapons, so i am unsure if they are separate builds, or if an "unarmed" build also has a backup fist weapon
Barefist str psiless monk is fricking great
does DEX affect the AP cost of bare fists? wondering if I can dump it. i imagine monk means i don't wear heavy armor, but does that mean I should be a CONlet as well?
My monk had 5 ap punches, that required 9 DEX, tabis and lightning punched, on top of 8 agility, i dumped the rest on STR.
BTW the str damage bonus for barefist is multiplicative, not additive
And up to you, my barefist monk had 5 CON, still pretty squishy since i also wore the Ratto Fursuit
https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Dexterity
Use the vertical chart. Find the AP of the weapon on the left (10), then find when the AP of the weapon changes as Dex increases. Bare fists should be 9/12 Dex for 5/4 AP punches.
The game is awesome but man I having the same issues as the first time I played , it can be really dry even with all this cool environment art.
I hope infusion has more interaction and quest decisions.
But I will pull it trough.
>equip heavy armor
>equip assault rifle
>can't move an inch from my starting position
>horde of mobs turn my tin can into swiss cheese while my legs melt into the pool of acid and fire
Now you finally understand why stylish armour was abandoned in favour of just sticking people in green and brown jackets.
>plays tincan AR
>still has problems
you are beyond help
I am here to insult you
Skill issue
Just burst more
Any news on Infusion. Will it release before the societal collapse in Germany?
*in western countries and thus the entire world
I don't know, but it'll be close. Infusion is probably 2-3 years away.
>Will it release before the societal collapse in Germany?
Quick run down? Not an euro
Energy prices are expensive as frick. Now that I’m thinking about it, Core City looks pretty comfy.
Hammerchad, you around? What makes Fast Metabolism preferable to Doctor?
regen vest, and psi hypos im not a macechud, try discord
Fast metabolism will always be useful while Doctor will not
You cannot bandage yourself in combat, but you can use things like hypos, use regen mixtures, get healed by your regen vest, marsh honey, etc; Doctor will allow you to always be able to bandage yourself and increase heal recieved, but only out of combat, arguably the moment where you need healing the most as a tank/tin can.
Also, metabolism increases psi booster psi gain, and increases the healing of all healing sources, including the ones I mentioned.
Like I said before, Doctor is not bad by all means, at worst is QoL and at best is situational, like an anon pointed out you can bandage yourself when crawlers sting you and disengage from combat, allowing to bandage yourself, but thats a relatively fringe situation compared to the rest of combats in the game.
Many thanks.
You can find him on discord if you're willing to degrade yourself by going there.
What character build should I go for on my first and probably only playthrough? Should be fun but not too difficult
Light armour guy with stealth and sniper rifle+assault rifle or SMG or shotgun is pretty easy and also engaging enough. If you ask me, at least.
Any specific builds?
looks like I saved over the chempistol build i had in the editor, oops. but it was memey and kinda janky and highly unoptimized anyway, as I wanted to use some specific gear with intimidation bonuses.
anyway i'd probs start the build with something like this in mind: https://underrail.info/build/?HgMQBQUDAwdGKADCoB4AeFAyMgAAAGQAAAAAAMKgAABLK2EmwpFWThHCs9-_
skipping versatility and going more perception is perfectly fine too. the only things you really need are cooked shot, mad chemist and enough chemistry to craft the guns. opportunist and sure step are excellent too.
as you can see, there's room to fiddle with, going all the way up to 18 dex isn't mandatory either. just fill in the rest with whatever feels good. escape artist is not strictly necessary, but it's very nice for QoL.
also temporal manipulation can be left at 70 or skipped, but psi is powerful and TM has the best spells that don't scale much with skill so willpower at 3 is fine.
You could try this: https://underrail.info/build/?CgUMAwkDAwcjHgA8AAA8MjIAAB4APAAFAAAAMgAAMibCoytiFlbCkTrfvw
You should also balance the crafting a bit better depending on what you can find, a few points in Biology are needed in order to craft focus stims later on. Mercantile is pretty essential on a chem pistols build because not many vendors sell the parts, so you need it in order to access their higher quality equipment. Grenadier is a great feat with your high chemistry because you can craft very powerful grenades early, but you can substitute it for something else and put those points in throwing somewhere else.
Tincan AR
https://underrail.info/build/?HgkDAwoPAwPCoMKJAAAAADwAAAAAwqB9EjB4AAAARgAAeytjMTsmCBUCSklLwodQVcKkwrXin6IC4qeqA-KntArfvw
It actually has many variants because you only need 9 Str for Tungsten armor, and Burst is fine with sub-max Perception. CON variant just seems best for a first run.
Head: Night Vision Seeker Goggles
Chest: Tungsten Steel Armor (Regenerative Vest, x3 Tungsten plate reinforcement)
Boots: Tungsten Steel Boots (Tungsten Plate Reinforcement, High Density Padding)
Belt: Bullet Strap Belt
Main Gun: 7.62mm Hornet (Rapid Reloader, Muzzle Brake)
Side Gun: 9mm Chimera (Muzzle Brake, Anatomically-Aware Scope)
Why do people put commando so late, its seems like a huge early burst in damage.
tf are you talking about commando requires 80 base in guns.. you can only get 80 in guns at 14
Oh I see. that the issue with meta creating a build before playing sorry anon carry on. I am dumb.
>fun
>not too difficult
chemical pistols it is. impossible to not wreck faces all day long with a smile on your lips.
Tincan AR is the easiest (foolproof). If you aren't a tincan then you'll have to learn to LoS everything.
so STR unarmed has been pretty fun, up till burrowers. how am I supposed to deal with burrower warriors? even with expose weakness my fists just tickle them.
I just bit the bullet and brought a fist weapon. The claw, to be exact, to get contamination and bleed stacks.
gloves > unarmed anyway.
Real sword homies clear entire maps of enemies without them moving from their original positions, on dom oddity of course. Lunies should have studied the blade.
das rite.
first time on classic, THOUGH.
>a sword that curves one way
>a knife that curves the other
just be straight, anon
Why would you ever play without psionics? It's like playing a fantasy game as a male human fighter.
Add tinfoil hat/brain cybernetics that destroy psi power and I'll go no-psi.
Cybernetics really should have been a bigger thing.
You will get "I always play as a human male fighter" response.
In SS2 Marine feels better because you can always get some psi powers easily, and cool hacking and other shit.
Because I want to play as a human male fighter
The most gratefying feeling is bonking or punching Tchort to death without the aid of any psi
Barefist str monk, berserker hammergay and psiless stoic tungsten tank hammergay
Why not sword'n'board?
I did play psiless nimble can swordman with bleeds, and I did play heavy MT Hoplite, but honestly shield n board never got my attention, just like playing a spear alone build
10/10
bravo
>He doesn't enjoy the satisfaction of killing magic wielding demigods with just only human made tools
>play build with psi
>play build with psi
>play build with psi
>play build without psi
I tend to play melee characters in games with prolific gun use and I can't justify taking a 10% health debuff to use magic spells
New to the game, how do I make a spear build with no psi?
I have gone 10 STR 6 DEX 5 AGI 7 CON 3 PER 5 INT 3 WIL, with the various spear feats in mind+juggernaut from 7 con. max starting points in meele, throwing, intimidation, hacking, trapping, mechanics, electronics. Should I get opportunist or juggernaut at start? sprint seems like a must have.
heres my "everything to do with spears minus psi" build I came up with but never playtested
https://underrail.info/build/?HhAGBgcDAwUAwqAAwqAAABRzTE0AaG5QXFkAAAAAdABRJsKCwpXCrwYSwqzClMKqwpPCq0vCtjlVCC_in4QB4qKMA-KzogPitrYD4remBd-_
Would a person with 3 will even have the balls to go outside the station?
not if he otherwise had the stats of a willgay; you only need super will if you're an unathletic nerd
I've done no-psi spear on Dominating. Its really just a delivery system for your armor. I ended the game with TiChrome, Super Steel, Tungsten, CAU, Stealth, Crit, and movement armor.
That stat spread is basically what you do for a standard Spear build, but if you want nimble can you cut 1 STR for 1 INT. If you don't have TM, then I think you need Sprint, I wouldn't go Agi just for Sweep anymore. Don't do Juggernaut until right before you craft your metal armor. Don't skip Grenadier.
What happens if I kill everyone before getting the ability to go through rocks, can I still complete the game
Attacking SGS basically softlocks the game at any point.
Okay well how do I get to the mushrooms inside the agriculture and pens floor
Pickpocketing one stack of ammo from the guards is worth more. Just play the game.
then why is it even in the game
you pickpocket the card from quinton, you sneak in so he cant see you, you pick the mushrooms when the camera isnt looking at you
Okay can I do it with no sneak
>most combat scenarios are over before a single Marauder clip is emptied with people on drugs everywhere
High intensity warfare is crazy to think about...
does the n word offend you anon
Styg will never let you play a Black person.
I remember joining the discord to ask about something and seeing people dropping 'Black person' constantly. It was pretty refreshing, I always feel like walk8ng on eggshells whenever I have to ask something on Discord
I always say Black person whenever a newbie joins the server
You may call me a chad now
>Ermuhgerd dey said duh n-word!
Are these the Black folk that call people fragile?
Absolutely.
>But when it comes to social issues, he is 100% [ethnicity] toxicity.
What did redditor mean by this? I thought he was better than le ebil racists.
>I thought xir was better than le ebil racists.
FTFY.
just got teh game
clasic or oddity xp? I don understan how this works or affects gameplay
oddity is less xp
classic is more
oddity means you loot items that give xp
classic means you get xp for kills and quests always
oddity intentionally limits how much xp you can gain from certain enemies/areas (a dog might drop a collar oddity, but only the first 3 collars give xp)
classic doesn't
hate looting? consider classic
hate feeling punished for skipping fights? consider oddity
if you don't have strong feelings play oddity and try out a different system than usual
Ok I go with oddity.
probably going to just make a character that hits wid stick because I don kno
Actually psi abilities shit sound bretty frickn cool too HMMMMM
Skill Throwing and a bit of Chemistry whatever kind of build you go with since it's your first time. If the rest of your build is bad you can usually compensate with large amounts of hand grenades.
Always seemed like a bit of a bad idea to throw explosives around underground.
A lot of things about the underground aspect don't make sense. Like there's no ventilation, everyone seems to have just forgotten the surface for some reason and don't talk about it or why it's uninhabitable, and there's no light for plants to grow and thus there should be nothing for pigs and rats or whatever to eat.
mushrooms don't need light and they have artificial light like a greenhouse
Doesn't matter if the odd mushroom can grow, there's still nowhere near enough energy to support a large population of advanced vertebrates. Nuclear/geothermal-pwered greenhouses would make sense, but then there'd still be no food for anything outside of human settlements, other than bacteria, slime fungus etc.
Maybe they eat bugs.
But bugs have to eat something too. In the end, the food chain requires sunlight in one way or another. I think some mystical thing present in the caves around which plants grow would have been a decent explanation. Like photosynthesis but using some kind of psi fields rather than light. And artificial hydroponics for normal surface plants.
Its possible animals that have adapted to radiation are topside and some animal that eats them rests inside the entrance of the tunnels and contributes to the food chain like that.
I think some large artificial contraption that puts nutrients (derived from engineered life that thrives on the surface, probably algae or something) in the water that flows down into the caves would make a decent bit of sense. You'd just have to filter the water for drinking, and everything would smell like a swamp.
It's generally understood that the Utility Tower hints the surface is a frozen wasteland, as the higher up you go, the more frigid it gets. That would explain why there's no hints of people exploring the surface, they would freeze to death.
So Underrail are Frostpunk are set in the same universe, just one slightly further into the future. Now it all makes sense.
Maybe the bugs are lithovores.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/52/6/473/240329
They don't seem happy to me.
this was brought up in the lore files. there have been more than 1 starvation/famine in underrail's history.
I guess you didnt notice the vents everywhere
theres light almost everywhere, maybe you noticed that the screen isnt black?
>Like there's no ventilation
Vents to the surface are explicitly mentioned multiple times.
>everyone seems to have just forgotten the surface for some reason and don't talk about it or why it's uninhabitable
Except for, you know, everyone from the Institute of Tchort.
>and there's no light for plants to grow
SGS has an entire hydroponics garden made just to exposit for (you).
> In the end, the food chain requires sunlight in one way or another.
Nope. It requires autotrophy (accumulation of ambient energy into chemical bonds of organic compounds). It can be thermal energy, energy of non-organic chemical fuels, nuclear energy, etc.
There are sunlight-independent ecosystems right now on IRL Earth.
And the entire Underrail was explicitly built by megacorporations that explicitly did genetic engineering and ecosystem creation.
And one of the genetically engineered creatures that gets an spotlight in one the larger quests is EXPLICITLY A LITOVORE.
Like, you're bating or literally never played the game bruh. Styg poured some serious autism into his worldbuilding.
>SGS has an entire hydroponics garden
SGS has a population of about 20. Easy to feed.
you also have to be a top Black person to remain in SGS
they dont accept any freeloaders
theres like 20 soldiers alone that we see
you dont see everybody in each settlement, obviously, you dingbat
Oddity is dumb. How would picking up an old fossil suddenly make you better at computer hacking and dodging?
Classic is dumb. How would killing a pack of rats suddently makes you better at chemistry and lockpicking?
What people never bring up for some reason is that oddity will dictate what areas you go to if you want to level up due to oddities repeating a lot in some places and you can only pick up a limited amount of the same. With classic you can go anywere as long as enemies aren't filtering you.
>What people never bring up for some reason is that oddity will dictate what areas you go to if you want to level up
This is your brain on pure metagame.
Can you even comprehend the idea that a new player doesn't know the distribution of oddities in advance, which is exactly how it encourages exploration?
Imagine needing incentive to explore.
>encourages exploration
It does the opposite.
>hmm this place is filled yet again with the same stone fossils that I got 10 of, I should stop exploring here and go to the next area
Wandering around caves is a shit experience no matter what experience system you're on so I don't think that really matters.
You are missing the point.
Oddity locks you on a set path if you want to level up (and you really want that since some builds only work from level 18 and up), while it doesn't matter on classic and you can go any direction without missing out on xp.
That isn't true. Every area has its own oddities and its own sidequests so you can get experience anywhere. Except the caves, which are shit.
Again
>This is your brain on pure metagame.
Because you build your entire game experience on maximizing level progression, all so that you can I dunno use BT to kill a room fool of enemies like 5 times (15 if you choose to genocide the natives in Expedition) after leaving half the game content behind you, at which point you have nothing else to do (as combat is limited in DC, and Tchort's Eye fricks up our precious stats), so the only thing you have left is being autistic in an Underrail thread on a Sri-Lankan political dissent forum.
Why are you doing this? Underrail is straight up bad for this shit - the encounters are limited, the builds aren't that varied, and you have to play on a specific difficulty, with a specific Xp system that even the dev and most players agree to be shit, in a specific and entirely counter-intuitive way, just to do this pointless shit you are doing. Go play Pathfinder or Dragon's Dogma for infinite build autism instead.
Even if you can't, just stop aggressively shilling your cancerous play-style as "the only proper way to play the game" everywhere. Go to an Elden Ring thread on /vg/ and express your disdain for people who don't appreciate your specific way of numbers interacting with other numbers there.
Literally all I did is mention how the two systems can influence your playstyle and you go on some autistic tangent. I never said it's the only right way to play.
Calm down and reflect on your unhinged anger.
what happens if I kill the people that guard the depot before the quest activates can I skip the first few quests.
You can get the drill parts without talking to anyone, you still need to get the drill part quest, and then immediately turn it in like nothing special happened.
so If I kill the guy who gives the quest I'm stuck? Is there an alternate path. out of the starting area
Good luck killing the quest giver. The only way out of the tutorial is go into Depot A and get the drill parts.
So do I just need the drill parts or do I need them and then finish the quest. Because I want to just kill everyone here and then unlock the mushroom room and then start to explore the world
You finish the quest, then the train station is unlocked, and you can buy TNT to open pathways.
damn so I have to progress normally. I wanted to kill the guy in front of the compound with the burrow nest and see if the quest with the settlement thats being held hostage changes but I guess not
How do I deal with durability. I found a nice knife on a dead fisherman but it's so expensive to repair it and it goes down so fast
You need to recycle melee weapons, bad guns and metal armor found on enemies and turn the scrap metal into repair kits.
I'm going to try this game again but I got no idea what build to go with, psi seemed too broken when I first tried it out
what's the most fun build?
>what's the most fun build?
Psi.
>what's the most fun build?
Crossbow/stealth/traps/throwing with a Thought Control dip maybe. Should give you a very large pool of attacks and abilities at your disposal.
the game hints that underrail was made via aconr
and we don't know everything; the game talks about "ambient light" that allows you to see, yet we dont see the source anywhere
we have psi-lifeforms that become whatever they eat
the gypsy (and the graveyard for that matter) introduced psi ghosts
lots of shit going on that we don't understand
Bioluminescent bacteria is a solid way to handwave ambient light. You can't actually see them, but their light brightens the caves.
I think I would have preferred a complete absence of ambient light, but more bioluminescence and artificial lighting.
Anon, it sounds like what you want is a more hardcore Underrail, where exploration in caves is limited by the battery power you have for your torch, and the filters and canisters you have for your rebreather.
Nah, not that extreme. I just think it would be both prettier and more believable if there was no sourceless light.
By the way, the headlamp really ought to have like 1/100 the battery drain rate.
Wellp, turned on all the stations.
Frankly, bros, I think I'm playing the game in a wrong way
The best way to play the game (as a beginner) is to play as unfair as possible. Use flares on the rathounds to terrify them, giving you some time to hit them without being hit. Use caltrops, bear traps and grenades (particularly molotovs and flashbangs) to stack things in your favor.
Do I just buy all that stuff?
I don't have the magerials to craft em even if I hab teh blueprents and these things dont seem cheap
"Value" is deceptive.
They'll be expensive at the beginning (as is everything) but you'll fairly rapidly get enough money from stealing and looting that it'll work out.
These are some things you'll find useful and cheap:
throwing nets
bear traps
caltrops
Bear traps are for pre-combat preparation without a certain feat, while caltrops and nets work as combat utilities. In general, one-time-use items are much more effective in this game than the useless trash they usually are in other RPGs.
Wellp. Just cleaned out some nigs with nades after getting my ass handed multipletimes.
Guess I'm just spamming nades then.
Frick builds
Throwables smooth things out no matter what your build is. As a first-timer, your build is guaranteed to stink, but that's okay.
Get 20 Chemistry and the Incendiary Grenade recipe for molotovs. They're extremely useful and cheap to craft.
Old 2 shot Spearhead > nu boring trash
this game is fricking shit, but the soundtrack for it is amazing
Any good ways to use the purple wall thingys.
I guess they're okay in halting the enemies progression for a few turns but I'm wondering if there are any other usages I'm missing
Anything that deals mental damage will be utterly cucked by Force Field, and sometimes you can abuse the dumb ai, like FFing yourself out and the crawlers cant reach to you so they just stand there
Sometimes if you leave a gap enemies will try and walk around which ends up wasting more time than them bursting through and killing you.
Does Juggernaut ignore the reduction from Armor Sloping, or does it only ignore Nimble/BWT?
Doesn't ignore sloping's reduction. Nimble/BWT work because they lower your overall penalty, and that's not what juggernaut checks. Instead it checks to see if your chest armour (and only chest, helmet/boots are ignored) has 50% penalty or higher. Since sloping does change that specific value it might ruin it.
Can one use traps as a main weapon?
Not without a lot of patience, since Quick Tinkering has such a long cooldown.
>want to play a melee dude
>don't want to miss out on all the secret locations that high perception ranged dudes get to see
What do?
snooping + 2 specs isnt that big an investment
you'll need another couple boosts, like mushroom salad, juice, adaptive goggles, marsh honey, etc for some of them
There isn't much to see.
Does flurry have a hidden -50% chance-to-hit or am I just getting butt-fricked by the RNGods?
Both
if it ain't 95%, it's about 5%. and if it's 95%, it's about 50%.
I'm glad Styg added the gypsy so you can't know if someone is RNG complaining or literally cursed.
no, scrubby, you're just feeling the misses because now they matter a lot
try playing hammers or snipers sometime
LIGHTNING AND STORM
HEED MY CALL
you aren't using sea wyrm armor?
No needed, my evasion, strong low low shield and escape artist pretty much trivializes sea wyrms, and EK casting is more important
>evasion
>kevlar
Yeah, evasion, not like I'm evading all attacks but I'm evading most of them, which is the only that matters
Evaded dozens of sea wyrms attacks at this point
Besides, it's not a permanent armor, will eventually switch to tesla
Can you share the build?
Buffed Tesla Suit is fricking great
>make a sword guy
>slicin' an' dicin'
>think hey he's really good
>get to depot a
>discover he can neither land a hit nor take a hit from enemies who aren't rathounds and weak starved bandits
Whoops.
dogs are dodgey, the rest aren't
Will I miss out on anything if I just butcher the pirates like the natives?
Or should I try negotiating?
I only got my long nose skill at 105 and nothing in presuation/intimidation.
On the other hand I'm tempted to just crush the aegis camp
You don't get anything for negotiating other than not having to fight. If anything you lose something compared to killing them all because they won't let you look around their base even if you negotiate perfectly.
You hardly get shit from the Pirates if you don't defect to them. Negotiating just means you don't get shot while going through the 2-3 tiles you pass by going into their corner for some quests.
I've been using it as an offhand weapon for an unarmed build. It's not stellar at dealing with armoured targets, but it's pretty good for a character without Expose Weakness.
It compared pretty evenly to my other anti-armour setup, which was combining the kukri's expose weakness effect with Quake, with the advantage that I still had my bare fists available for any other mooks that wanted to frick around.
Anyone found the new unique boots styg said he put into the game last patch yet?
there very rare and random, like the anti-crit goggles or the cyclops
https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Jumping_Stilts
wow those seem like absolute garbage
what was he THINKING?
immune to caltrops without feat while being fast and nimble
big boost to evasion and speed for noncrafters
also they're cool
Shit item.
Would make more sense with 6 Agility requirement.
Master Skull Smasher roleplay would be enjoyable if this ignored armor penalty
started a new character just to use these. boy am I sick of Black person styg and his love of these early game psi bugs
has anyone actually been able to find a merchant with these?
>chainsword
I'd considered getting Underrail but I suppose I really should get it now.
I'm using the chainsword as my main, and centered my build around it. I went for a tungsten tank build, so I'm also using proxy punches to catch up to enemies, but almost all my kills are done with the chainsaw.
You're probably much better off building a nimble can with this weapon, all things considered, but i figured that going all-in on strength was going to be my best bet. There are some advantages to tungsten tanking, however, in that you only chainsaw as much as you have AP or battery power. It could prevent some overkill (and this battery drain), and for small fry hitting them four times is enough. I decided to stack strength for more damage on the sword per tick, though a crit build might work out even better. Hard to say, i took consistent damage.
For the sword itself, it's got some very solid advantages, the biggest of which being that all ten ticks of damage on the chainsaw attack trigger the blades or spikes on metal armor. My current guess is that I'd be best off attaching one blade for taste for blood stacks, and add about 30-50 damage with double spikes per tick.
Another advantage is that the sword deals really high crit damage, at 150% base. combine with cheap shots and critical power and you've got really powerful crits, and you're hitting your targets ten times. Focus shots do wonders.
Another thing: due to the nature of phreaks quest, you can get this thing early and with almost no combat. You'll have to cheese the spiders with the automatic doors, but after that you're in business. The industrial bots guarding the blade you can kill with the electricity shit you had to activate to open it up. So you can nab this as soon as you reach core city.
All in all, it's not as shit as it appears at first glance, but you need to essentially build your character around it.
I don't even have flurry, because this fricking this has a minus 5 on Precision. Don't build for swords, build for a chainsaw.
>spikes
oh lord
that stacks even better with leper poison
very interesting, anon. does fancy footwork apply for each chainsaw hit? perhaps very nimble with fancy footwork could work
If the armor works, I'm guessing every hit is counted seperately. So fancy footwork probably just gives you back your entire movement.
Tungsten tank needs to be backed by psi to help you catch enemies, but a nimble can can probably run for days.
Couple of addendums:
You also get a 50% armor piercing on the chainsaw attack, which makes up for the 30 percent damage debuff on a hit per hit basis. Not having to rely on flurry and instantly dying over a single miss also makes it less frustrating, I'd say.
I was able to kill burrower warriors in two turns basically as soon as I had the chainsword, albeit with some crits.
You also want to have a knife or similar low AP backup to expose weaknesses with, or to just finish off enemies with a sliver of health. The chainblade is really bad as a regular sword, being inaccurate and costing 20 AP per swing, so you want something on the side. I've been using a knife, but a fist is probably better, come to think of it
>chainsword
>powerfist
SPEHHS MUHREENS!
yes
>I recall the virtues I stood for!
>I recall the struggles and things we have done!
>I will not be deterred from my vengeance!
>I remember the lessons passed on to the sons!
>I am one of the Emperor's Children!
>I am Rylanor and I am the Ancient of Rites!
>So I reject you for now and for always!
>To strike you down, I have waited for a million nights!
Butcher's cleaver may work fairly well as a secondary I think
The best thing about temporal manipulation is that you can savescum and just pretend it's your psionics.
throwing knifes are still horrible, aren't they?
Shock shurikens are okay.
Also you definitely need poison for throwing knifes.
but build dedicated to throwing knifes must be pretty bad, right? I doubt I'll be able to clear Depot A with only knifes and nades, especially since mutants are immune to bio damage.
fairly easy actually cause you just rush for MKlVs
>mutant are resistant to acid not bio so burrower caltrops and cave ear knives work great, they are resistant to gas granades though for the most part
>quick tinkering and trapping a doorway is all you need for depot A anyway
mutants have 100% bio resistance
but poisons bypass that
I know, the only thing is poison is bio damage but the game does a bad job distinguishing that and gas. From what I gathered gas is the only "bio" damage that's different since all other are ones are poisons or the ones in DC that's basically poison but in gas form.
>cave ear poison still works with all of them though besides the enemies who can resist it
theres bio and theres poison; poisons are generally attached to other damage
like, a crawler stings you and then you are poisoned, but if it dealt no damage then you dont get poisoned; something had to get through your armor and your skin to inject the poison, bio resistance from armor does not protect against that
bio damages applied from outside, like gas, are
there are a few outside bio damages, heartbreakers, creepers, locusts, sowers, gas
a mutant could prance through a pack of heartbreakers and never get damaged
Not really, but problem are heavily armored robots, you gotta need expose weakness for those
Biggest thing is to get enemies past that 25% (about 35% when speced) damage range to get gureenteed crits for fatal throw on armored enemies. Most granades and traps should do that job. You also want max remote surgeon as soon as possible to still do damage with throwing knives.
>it will get resisted around half the time but you will still prob accidentally kill a enemy just because of split spare
I've forgot how bad they must be against heavily armoured mobs
Yah know what.
Fug this Ill just reroll. What are some good builds?
>make a non-psi, no-guns character
Holy fricking shit I'm so rich what the frick. Rolling in thousands of credits and charons and I've only just entered the junkyard.
You will take that back when you finally get to craft your own electronic melee weapons.
Adv repair kits are fricking expensive to buy, hard to craft and they eat batteries like a fricking b***h.
t. Hammergay
rushing the chainsword...is there really not a shortcut to phreak's room after getting there? my level 10 ass has to get by all these fricking spiders every god damn time? also, can I talk to the acid hunters, or do they need to die? i doubt I can kill them right now.
You can just take the ladder west of phreaks specific hidey-hole and you can climb back the same way once your character knows it's there. The spiders only need to be dealt with once, and those doors make it piss easy. Gas grenade them, and move in to stab the closest spider to keep aggro when the door automatically opens. Remember to close it, of course.
The Acid hunters can be let go with no trouble. Not even a speech check involved, you just tell them to frick off.
The phone puzzle does force you into a relatively difficult fight with some bandits when you need to actually enter the secret space, but they check out explosions, so sneaking past isn't that hard.
The final hurdle is the double industrial bots + sentry bot. Bring some grenades, toss them close to lure the crawlers over to the bots so you don't need to deal with that shit. Use emp to make some distance and hopefully lure the bots onto the electricity frickzone, or just lock them out of the room, as I'm pretty sure industrial bots can't open doors.
Obviously, you're going to need a shield to take a few flamethrower hits from the bots. Toss a gas grenade at mordre, he'll drop a fantastic quality knife and a decent shield.
any pro tips for a first timer doing the sound puzzle for phreak? im also a PERlet so i dont have that to help me. guessing ill need to get audacity open.
No two of the sounds are equal pitch, so you can order them all from highest to lowest. Listen to them without a sequence loaded and write down the order using symbols or short words. When you hear the sequence, write out where each sound seems in pitch compared to the others. Line this up with you order and go back to double check note you hear to see which it's closest to (for the button that doesnt play use process of elimination). The buttons for each sound dont change from phone to phone so eventually you should develop an innate grasp of which button is which sound.
I've recorded a reference track of all the sounds in sequence and then recorded the puzzle sounds and went through them comparing with the reference.
alright, so first you grab a pen and paper
listen to each of the six tones/notes, then organize them from high to low or vice versa; however you think they'd fall on a scale
write down the color/icon associated with them (yellow, rat, cross, etc)
listen to them until you have a mental "picture" of what "yellow" sounds like, etc
then after that add a description of what that note sounds like
attach the orange phone thing, listen to the sequence
focus just on the first note, think real hard about which one it is; the following notes can help you place it on the scale
you can also play around on the orange phone itself without exiting the current sequence; you can test some of the sounds (some wont work), then jump back into the sequence
write down the first note when you think you got it, then listen to the sequence again and again, focusing on each next note in particular, until you are sure you have all six or seven correct (sometimes its 7 notes)
I write them down in order before I enter the sequence
you have to do three sequences in a row without fail
I forgot to say that you can replay a sequence as much as you need, you just can't exit
and you can check notes on the orange phone while working on a sequence; it doesnt "exit" you out
my notes for them are:
yellow = ringing high note
green = electronic ringing high note, slightly lower than yellow
red cross (+) = flat ringing (sounds like the first note in that wedding music when the bride is walking down the aisle)
blue = flat electronic ringing; sounds like a string, plays longer and sounds more echo-y
exclamation (!) = low ringing
rat = low flat bassy noise
so theres two highs, two mediums, two lows, each category has a higher version and a lower, more electronic version
at least thats how it sounds to me
(the notes and signs are randomized each playthrough; so the signs I listed probably won't match your sounds)
Do them for like an hour, go about the rest of your day, sleep, wake up, and you'll instinctually know what to do.
still needed a pen and paper, but i just replaced the sound files with my own voice saying Black person, homosexual, frick, shit, etc. then i took my chainsaw to Phreak's face and use his glove in my off hand for applying expose weakness 🙂
>using the "go to sleep and let your brain solve it so you know the answer the next day" cheat
You didn't beat the puzzle.
I wish my brain just did things for me.
I just got bored because I did not play in a while and was trying out a shotgun build then I got to that part in Depot A where acid dogs and mutants just constantly pin you down and I don't know how to deal with that other than with grenades and I'm too lazy to go back and restock and it's a boring tactic anyway but there's no other way considering my build so it's boring.
Had a fantastic time exploring water treatment plant though.
not that you should know if you are unfamiliar with the game, but as long as you have stealth and lockpicking(hacking helps too), you don't ever have to fight any mutants or mutant dogs. you really only have to fight some regular dogs and muties(not mutants) for some keys. shotguns start out a bit rough, and if you don't have leading shot you might as well restart
Yeah it's just that I really dislike playing anything stealthy in Underrail. And I abhor psykers in any sort of a sci-fi setting so I never even tried a psi build. In terms of pacing, I always thought that Underrail was a horrific slog every time you went out of the dungeon and into the disjointed cities. Each time I restarted to try a melee build or something crossbow or knife based I had to ride the elevators or capture fricking cave hoppers for Big Black person and the Junktown itself is just a shitty area that takes ages to go through when running errands. In fact Depot A would be kinda fun if they did not put the two things I hate most about RPG enemies - stunlock and acid baths into one huge bundle of joy. I'm probably a shitty player but I can breeze through Depot A with explosives/molotovs and that perk that reduces cooldown.
1. My name is Player Character, what's yours?
2. Tell me about xyz.
3. Wowzers! That's a heckin biggerino of a riflerino mister!
4. Time to die! (Attack)
5. Nod
6. I am going to leave now. (Leave)
>2.
1. Tell me about x
2. Did y really do something to x?
3. Tell me about z
4. Take me back to previous menu.
Cringe
>The man standing before you has the vague odor of a fumigated rathound carcass. You notice that his feet are covered in rags and he anxiously picks at scabs covering his naked shoulder. It seems that some of the blisters are pulsating.
1. My name is Player Character, what's yours?
2. Wowzers! What's that blisterino on your skin mister?
3. Prepare to meet your Maker! (Attack)
4. Say nothing
5. Did you happen to see Ultra Specific Quest Part 3000 somewhere around here?
6. Time to leave. (Leave)
Cringe
you forgot:
[Discount]
[More Items]
[Frick you]
[Pwetty Pwease~]
Ok so if I go for the pistol (chem pistol preferably) build with some stealth thrown in for good measure with grenades to get me out of tight spots, the problem is - and I want to play on at least hard - how much STR do I need? If I get only 3 to max other things is the lack of armor going to frick me up?
if you are playing chem pistols, your goal is to get the CAU armor and never take it off. that said, a proper chem pistol build would completely dump STR.
Leather armour is also good, you just need infused mutated dog leather tabi to go along with it to avoid getting damaged by your own acid pools all the time.
Its pretty shit ngl. Letdown hard.
>swords, spears and hammers get fantastic on-hit bonuses
>daggers get a massive crit boost
>fists get nothing
Pugilistbros...
Yeah?
Carnifex: "Go forward, my son. You have learned all I can teach you."
Psi doesn't count.
you might be moronic, anon
Youre 1 INT irl, anon
get nothing
You're fricking moronic if you think unarmed is weak.
The difference between normal and hard is staggering. Rather than less health/healing AND more enemies (who are also stronger enemies), he should have just picked one.
The only thing causing me real issues in normal is the lack of ammo and consumables during a dungeon run so I have to run back usually
Is STR important for knives build? I see they get 3% per each point above 5
Do you guys lower a stat to 3 when starting a build? Is it good practice?
INT seems like it should always be lowered to 3, right?
I would, but as an extremely high int person irl, I can't imagine playing as a buffoon.
I just cheat the stats so I don't play as a willlet intlet subhuman.
Are there any fun/good little horror elements in this game?
there are little horror elements everywhere, but usually ends in combat or is just somethign that happened a long time ago
I'm planning on starting my second run of the game and doing hard more this time with a trap/crafting build and no psi. Since I've already seen the stuff with the crystals on my first playthrough, do I miss anything big by not using psi at all?
where the frick are these jumping stilts? i haven't found anyone selling them and it's making me crazy
I do wonder how random uniques work. I know they can sometimes spawn as loot, so does that mean the game decides that at the start of the game so they can never show up in shops if that happens? Does the opposite work so one could be assigned to one specific shop at the start of the game and never show up anywhere else? If that's the case does that mean one could be placed in a faction specific merchant's inventory? Could you be hunting for one for ages without knowing that it's impossible because you joined the wrong faction?
I have many questions and no answers.
so you are saying there is a chance it's not even in the game? i had planned this character on using them from the start. fricking styg
is there no way to cheat engine items in or something..
i've never used CE beyond merchant refresh. dunno how to spawn in items nor acquire the item ID of this new item. i'm considering learning though, there's not many boot-selling merchants left in this playhrough and I want those damn jumping stilts
you can't cheat engine items in no. you have to alter the files directly and its behind convoluted files
start with pumping mercantile
All of you here sound like massive homosexuals
especially (You)
Are those brain beetle homies imune to bullets wtf
early game they might as well be. dont even bother wasting ammo if their brain is not exposed
Where da frick do I buy metal plates
Gort or Blaine before Depot A
Leonie after Depot A
Wellp got an AR, a shock dagger and sledge from killing those cannibals.
They're good but my character doesn't really have any use for them.
Shame.
Do I just sell them? Scrap em for metal parts? Idk
If they're worth a decent amount (relative to condition), repair them then sell. If they aren't/wouldn't be worth much, then scrap for repair kits, which you can use on other useless gear with higher value potential.
I've been playing past Depot A and I still can't find any night vision goggles. No trader in any city/town sells them.
Where do I get them?
Have you checked the electronics vendors in junkyard, core city, foundry, and SGS? Remember to buy those intensifier tubes in the crafting section too so you can make your own much better ones eventually.
Yeah, I tried all of them 2-3 times. Guess it's just bad luck then.
>tfw no carrier vests for sale ANYWHERE
Anons, help!
turn on cheat engine set time to 40x
wait for a bit
I have it on 5x al the time so it doesn't take forever to walk everywhere
why use the cheat engine if you arent going to use the merchant refresh
I mostly just use it to walk faster
you can do an oligarch questline after doing Phreak's, right? i need my damn crafting benches
Yeah
If anyone has trouble with taking out the gang guarding Hugo, tossing a gas grenade 4 squares East of Joey will draw Draw and him to try and disarm it.
You can keep engaging both of them in conversation, each time you do it will reset their disarm meter.
As the gas builds up, they will build up stacks of contamination, making it easy to take them both out once you initiate combat.
Or you could just cheese them with bear traps like everything else in the game lol.
pass the persuasion with joe
promise to get jacek money
go around PPing their meds then ammo
drug up, kill prof, then use the chokepoint behind him
EZ
I just crafted 9mm Hammerer but when I put it in my hand it won't show on character, I can load it but the bullets don't show in the right section of the screen and during combat the character acts as if unarmed. I don't see any penalties listed on the weapon that would prohibit me from using it. What gives?
Nevermind I somehow clicked on melee which I never use.
I just crafted a chemical pistol. When I get that perk that doubles the damage of crafted chemical pistols will it be applied retroactivelly or do I need to make a new one?
man, I wish i made a save during the abomination fight so i could reload and fight him again. killing him with survival instincts nimblecan bleed chainsaw was so much fun. he couldn't even touch me and was just a huge bag of meat to saw up.
i think so, because it doesn't increase the damage you deal, but the damage stat of the crafted item
Crafting perks (and the effect of specialization points) are not retroactive.
bison tabis seem like the best idea; +1 con boosts hp/fort/conditioning, additional fort on top of that, and good cold DR
bison comes in higher qualities than anything else, so highest base mp/dodge/evasion bonuses
>stuck in here with me
you DO go with JKK every playthrough, right anon?
>gun users get lovely goggles that improve their accuracy, crit chance and let them see in the dark
>psi users get stylish headbands that supercharge their reality warping powers
>big boi melee users get very cool metal helmets that grant immunity to enemy crits and come with built-in sunglasses
What the frick do us nimble melee users get? Fricking balaclavas? What is this shit.
>Fricking balaclavas?
Kevlar/Blast Balaklavas are really really good.
yep, or headbands if you're a psi hybrid
nowdays theres shit like the bioscrubber or deaths grin
kevlar clavas are great in the early game, blast/antithermic/black are situational and depend on your build but at least they are nice basically-free bonuses
Makes me wish Death's Grin was available earlier or crafting something like it
I just took high technicalities while having 7 INT. Perhaps I fricked up.
Anyway at this moment I'm in depot A and juggling both standard, chem and energy pistols. Maybe I'm spreading myself too thin.
I will play a weeb katana build with TM. I need to finish Expedition asap to get Red Dragon. That shit's so late in the game and there is no other sword that fits the criteria.
im overleveled of course, but still, 7 enemies on my first turn (almost; drugged up and ran around corner 1st turn, 2nd turn came out and started choppin')
What do you usually name your characters?
xxSniperwolf97xx
Something fitting.
>War Criminal
after a war criminal
>Fists
Something in the vein of Carnifex's Roman name/title.
>Psi
smartass names
or punny ones (hehehe, Fax)
Black personKiller1488
always after my dog
I use movie protags, I don't know why it just feels right
My first character is named after my steam/online name, all of them are named after something that fits or is thematically related to my build
Antonidas for my pure psion (Warcraft 3 campaign Archmage)
Stormcaller for my EK psion, self explanatory
Discobulus for my throwing knifer
Charles Martel for my stoic psiless tungsten tank hammergay
Ajax for my heavy MT Hoplite
Kenshiro for my psiless STR barefist monk
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA for my burning man
Etc etc etc
fricking pigga
It's pretty random. My first ever character was named Mauzer after that Serbian song. On my dom play trough when I got the jihadist belt, I named my melee/explosive character Osama. Full with portrait and according stats.
I name them after famous heroes from around the world.
Holy shit my first build was called Ljubo Mauzer too lmao, he was a shotgun trenchcoat psi guy, because when I started the game I knew literally nothing about how it worked, but it turned out OK.
puns usually relating to build heres a couple guess the build
>Hera B. Treps
>Teddy Kaczynski
>Quaker Oats
>Janie Gotta
>Stel Char
crazed gunner Black folk with doggus are so strong wtf tbh
Can I play through the base game without Expedition and then get the expansion to play afterwards if I feel like it without missing anything in the base game?
The only thing you will miss is some lore, as far as I recall
Cool, I'll give it a go without the expansion to see what the game is like without the extra skills.
you'll miss a psi school, a couple weapon types, a bunch of items, the waterways/jet skis, I think some quests, and the lvl cap will be 25 instead of 30
its fine to do that, as long as you didnt want to use any of the stuff that isn't available
I'm playing for the first time in like a year. What new important NPCs/quests have been added that I might miss if I end up just going through the same route I did before and not talking to every single NPC I see everywhere?
either have high per or do lots of motion
Is 7 effective per enough?
No, 12 effective. You can also use night vision goggles.
Why is everyone saying that Depot A is a huge difficulty spike? I just finished it with relative ease and then went to that Rail town and as soon as I wander out I get random raider enemies one shotting me.
>first proper big dungeon in the game
>introduces enemies using an entirely new damage type you are most likely not prepared to resist at that point
>mutants have both high HP and damage, lower your hit chance with yell, acid spray can't miss and has high 1-shot potential
>mutated dogs can immobilize you, normal dogs are annoying because they are hard to hit and take your AP away with tackle
>muties are usually quite big groups with dog support
But most importantly, it's a mandatory step to progress the main questline and open up the world. You're free to skip 1-shoting bandits and do something else until you're strong enough to wipe the floor with them, but Depot A is something you have to do and it's always going to be one of the more challenging things up to that point.
acid spray can miss
Can never finish a playthrough of Underrail, always get bored of my build after hours of spelunking.
So I played around with a couple builds and I haven't really used crafting. Is it a useful investment or is buying things from traders better?
Crafting is one of the keys to breaking the game. To a degree Styg doesn't seem to respect non-crafting enough, like certain components never spawn randomly on vendor gear even if its build critical. Its more damage, its more defense, and its exactly what you're looking for.
The dumbest one is chemical pistols. Acid pistols are incredibly fricking rare, and incendiary/cryo don't even exist if you don't make them yourself.
if you go non-crafting you generally will use uniques
How do I stop looting everything? I know I can't sell it, but I still take it. It's there, in the barrel, so I'll have it. Is that really so wrong? I mean, why must Styg punish that behaviour?
>riposte doesn't stack
What the frick is this shit?
are there any special little places that just tickle your fancy?
Depot A I love getting puked on by mutants and dogs
no you idiot, specific places that look cool or have a certain feel
Soul
Given how empty the foreign wikis are I wonder if they come here/RPGcodex and machine translate posts from autists to try and learn the super secret bullshit that isn't even on the normal wiki.
>the super secret bullshit that isn't even on the normal wiki.
Like what?
nippon, fren?
>Gorsky
>using 私 and 丁寧語
>"sneak up on us" as 忍び寄る in this context
I laugh whenever people say machine translations are good enough now.
Just call it a localisation. You can get away with anything if you call it a localisation.
Is Hard mode even worth bothering with? The extra enemies made it seem fun but half healing, and double healing cooldown, is just making it tedious. If your health drops, you've lost the fight. Few battles seem to last 12 fricking turns, and 40-75 healing is less than the damage a single enemy can inflict in a single turn.
its a game nothing is worth anything in a vacuum
you're struggling because you view your health as a tug of war, if you are playing properly your health is mostly static due to invalidating all incoming damage with either proper defense, shields, stuns, LoS, or your own damage
I'm doing melee, so that means getting up in peoples' faces and having to take damage accordingly.
Energy shields are definitely gay as frick, but they did save my ass against the last burrower gangbang.
For an extra moan, I really wish damage wasn't so inconsistent in this game. It's bizarre going from ~15 damage hits to suddenly 140 damage just because you got a crit.
Once.
White Dude, hopper leather everywhere, the green coke, all for trash loot.
Also a sword user
so is it going to take styg 12 years to finish infusion as well?
Nah, make it 1 or 2 years
lol
What?
The developers already advanced fast and already got the very basic foundation of the game and models out, they all have experiencie at developing a game and it's not just Styg alone merely 'swinging' it
everything is new and being remade
its a new team with a new dynamic
the engine is not done
the game system math is going to be overhauled
he's still trying to make dlc for this game
you need to write the things the people in the game will say
the game needs to run on people's computers without crashing
>1 year
get real
>everything is new and being remade
Yes but it will have the same ruleset as the base game
>its a new team with a new dynamic
And? This game started with styg as a rookie developer working all on it's own, learning as he went. Now he got a whole team of experiencied developers.
>the engine is not done
Kinda, but Styg said he got a guy running around a map, as character test
>the game system math is going to be overhauled
I didnt read anything about that.
>he's still trying to make dlc for this game
He said 'MAYBE' will do a DLC, but right now his focus on Infusion
>you need to write the things the people in the game will say
Yeah, and?
>the game needs to run on people's computers without crashing
Hopefully, but since now the devs know what they are doing, I hope the game crashes less.
I still give it 2 years for Infusion to at the very least get to Beta.
yeah but anon I have a deepseated need to be a cynical blackpilled shit-talking homosexual
How about you dont do that for once?
I'm a zoomer shitter, its in my nature
Unique weapons suck. I wish there was a way to upgrade them.
>Unique weapons suck.
Not all of them, some are on par or only slightly worse than top tier crafts, some surpass crafted stuff.
>I wish there was a way to upgrade them.
There is.
So has anyone tried Colony Ship? Its a lot like, and made by the people who did, Age of Decadence. There seems to be a lot of Underrail's influence in it. Should be straight up your alley.
Im going to when its done
Aesthetically. The core of Underrail gameplay is cruel, swingy, undesigned combat where people are doing 50%-400% of each other's life totals multiple times a turn, unless you have armor which drops that down to 0%-5% damage.