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You misposted Legion's box.
That was the 3rd best MMO of al time.
>Legiondaries
>ilvl scaling
>Many Classes reduced to build/spend archetype
>Monk with 3 specs vs DH with 2 braindead specs
And there's still a ton of more stuff that really fricked over the expansion. Legion was terrible until near the end when they made it more bearable near the end, but what makes that frustrating is that it literally had the possibility of being a good expansion right out the gate if the devs didn't continue to have their head far up their ass
any expansion centered around artifact power farming is shit
I thought it was pretty cool to keep progressing after hitting level cap but of course sweaties didn't like it and the game is designed around them, so it got removed
yeah lol I always saw tryhards complaining about legiondaries but to me it was one of the best things in the expansion
>Expansion literally called Legion guts Demonology Warlocks
I will never forgive Ion.
>t. underaged
Legion is the only expansion I regret not playing. Demon Hunters looked fun, Mythic+ providing a new focus on small group dungeon content was something I had wanted for several years, and a lot of the non-raidlogging content seemed cool like war mode and that big nightborne city/faction thing. I was just so done with the game after WoD I never wanted to touch it again, but I do wish I had played at least a bit of Legion to see how well that stuff turned out.
Legion sucked. It took like 2-3 weeks to get one legendary drop and if it was one of the "bad" ones, gg lmao you're fricked
>get the wrong RNG legendary
>you're better off rerolling
I get it, the last patch of Legion was so good it made you forget how fricking terrible the rest of it was
It is honestly fascinating seeing blizz shiteaters now suddenly loving MoP and Legion despite them being hated by everyone back then. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
and pvp were the most fun and balanced they have ever been
Yes, so balanced. Priests and monk healers (I think healers in general) were so overpowered that they instituted a special game-wide healing debuff that activated in PvP. Which in turn destroyed the self-heal of DKs and ret paladins. You Black folk never even played the fricking game.
>>no grindy shit like from Legion and after
Expansion was literally a repeatable daily quest simulator. Yet again, this just proves none of the pandashitters played the game.
>despite them being hated by everyone back then.
Never happened. Stop taking the opinions of xXx_-IllIdAn-_xXx as the community's.
t. noskill dk
Legion>Wrath>Vanilla>Pandaland>anything else
Any fricking questions?
Vanilla is all the way at the bottom though, below Shadowlands, Dragonflight, and several other mmos.
>wrath above tbc and vanilla
What is it like to enjoy the onions, boy?
I can understand vanilla being better, but TBC > Wrath is peak contrarianism
TBC>Vanilla>Legion>Everything Else
Yes but only because you can play as Worgen
I think objectively Vanilla content wasn't that great but the context and community behind Vanilla propelled it into mythological heights, easily the best MMO which will never be touched ever again.
Vanilla > TBC > Legion > WotLK > MoP > WoD > Dragonfligtht > Cata > Shadowlands > BfA
Vanilla content was also better than any MMO content after it, just straight up objectively better. Lets not deny such blatant truths.
Impressive, a sequence I actually agree with
Putting Dragonflight anywhere except at the bottom means you're a delusional and grimy homosexual and troony enabler. DF is the worst expansion made for the game purely on the basis of what a pozzed, unimmersive piece of shit it is.
swap mop with wotlk and dragonflight with wod and this is 100% correct
The reason why vanilla is so praised is because it had so much potential. It set the bedrock for future WoW sets and then Blizzard ruined it by making expansions basically an entirely self-contained zone.
The war effort was a really cool event and people speculated that something similar would happen for the inevitable fight against Arthas.
How did the French manage to make the best MMORPG on the market?
>ugly arts
>shitty gameplay
>corrupted classes
>bad spells
Is there just one schizo spamming this terrible expansion constantly? The only people that like this expansion are furries, go away
Never liked those ching chong aesthetics the whole expansion was just blizzard trying to pander to Asians "we wuz honnorobu wize cultuh" bullshit.
You might not know it but people think you are insufferable in real life
NTA but it was clear and nauesating pandering (no pun intended) to their Chinese playerbase which was almost as large as the western audience at this point in the game's life. There's a reason MOP lost of the most subscribers of any expansion
I'm not a fan of the theme but Pandaria had nice interactability especially isle of thunder and timeless
>i don't like it
>this means it's pandering
wew
Awfully coincidental they went to a very favorably represnted fake China in a game with millions of Chinese players, definitely not pandering though
you definitely don't have a chip on your shoulder about chinks that could affect your opinion
>game centered around Chinese culture, philosophy, spirituality, architecture and landscape
>not pandering to the Chinese market
how can you claim the entire expansion wasn't a chinese bait, you dumbass
They did Chinese pandering but also you are allowed to make an Asian themed expansion anon. Do you seriously not think Chinese aesthetics are not even a little cool? Jade dragons and imperial palaces and the like?
Not a joke character, just created as concept art and had such a positive reaction by early warcraft fans that blizzard was actively pushed to put them into warcraft 3.
People got filtered so hard by "kUnG fU pAnDa ThOuGh!!!" that they missed out on one of the best expansions ever. I laugh at them to this day.
The theme was so fricking cringe it invalidates the enjoyment entirely for some people
The theme, aside from the usual joke quests like your picture, was incredibly dark for a WoW expansion.
Oh yeah the asspull bug people were definitely Scorsese level dark exploration of the human psyche, quality writing
Which is why i said "for a WoW expansion".
We found a previously hidden island on which the pandaren were kept as slaves by the mogu for millenia and where a cyclical swarm of bug people routinely wipes out the majority of the population and used their homeland as a theater for a world war which resulted in the only somewhat peaceful and safe part of their land being destroyed forever.
Why exactly? I thought the Chinese themes and the pandas were really cool after 4 expansions of basically the same thing.
What genuinely don't people like about this? Do you just hate Asian things or is it that it some brain rot from internet furries?
It's not Warcraft, people play for a specific theme, if you don't that's cool but lots of people do. The furry baiting didn't help
>A theme that has been in the game since warcraft 3
>It isn't warcraft
Genuinely explain to me why this is out of place? Fits in far more than just about anything from TBC.
I'll admit the furry baiting in retrospect was there but I didn't even notice that as a kid. I just loved being a sick kungfu monk.
There is no argument against it.
It didn't appeal to 16 year old mutts who never played warcraft so obviously it was out of place.
>More than half the expansion spent on the factions being at each others throats on the new land making shit worse for the natives while also shitflinging at previous locations
>It's not Warcraft
Bitch, it was more warcraft than other expansions to the point that BfA practically tried to rip it off minus the pandas, but still managed to frick it up even worse.
Why do you think they advertised the next expansion as 'bringing the war back to warcraft'? Because the feeling of it being thematically inappropriate was widespread among the playerbase. There was a massive spike in players as people came back for WOD after leaving from MOP. Of course WOD didn't last because it had about a month of content stretched out to last two years, but the start was very popular and promising, and most importantly, thematically compatible with the franchise.
Pandas were a joke character from Samwise, it was never meant to be a serious part of the lore
They were literally the original alliance race for TBC, dranei are far more lore irrelevant than even pandas.
>It's not Warcraft, people play for a specific theme
And what theme is that exactly? Just because your wow montages on YouTube at the time featured heavy metal music does not mean WOW was ever themed around that aesthetic.
Warcraft was always goofy and cartoony.
furries loved pandas you dumb chink
Yeah that's what I said moron
Those people are fricking moronic and don't deserve to enjoy video games.
i agree. absolute kino expansion. I played vanilla classic when it came out, skipped tbc/wrath but im gonna come back for cata/mop if they happen
playing Warlock in MoP especially, was like a year long blowjob from the devs
>classes and pvp were the most fun and balanced they have ever been
>chill music and cool locations, especially if you like Asian culture
>no grindy shit like from Legion and after
>Monk FINALLY added as a class, a core one in mainstream trpgs like DnD and Pathfinder
The Pandaren shit was overexaggerated, since they had existed as a race in WoW's lore since even before the MMO was officially launched. Storywise, Garrosh was mismanaged though. That's a minus.
Chris Metzen
>no grindy shit
they literally crammed so much fricking dailies you HAD to do in this expansion, wtf you on about, it was horrible
i swear Pandashitters have selective memory
Pvp Chads didn't have dailies
Seethe
Pandas, while lighthearted, had a more serious tine compared to what we got originally. If you look at the TBC versions that were supposed to be playable they were not silly at all and the lore that would have been added was more Japanese and less PixarXChina. What we got was a disgrace and only catered to furries and low iq chinks.
Mists was the first time I played WoW, before that I'd only played FFXI and LotrO for MMOs. Played with a couple of friends, I played Prot Warrior; and it completely spoiled me because Prot's, or any tank for that matter, never felt anywhere close as fun since then.
>zoomers are now old enough to post here and attempt to defend this pile of shit
grim
T. 24 year old catababy
Legion and MOP were two major zoomer entry expansions, they are the modern era's wrathbabbies
True and true. How people can feel nostalgic to AFKing in cities while waiting for queues to pop so you can complete weekly quotas is beyond me, but if it's the only thing you've had to play I guess I can understand it. That aside, it honestly doesn't matter how 'good' an individual expansion is when the base game is completely ruined.
>pull half the zone and kill everything with 2-3 abilities while losing maybe 20% hp/mana
Yeah the massive dumbing down of world difficulty during that era was extremely disappointing. You cannot die do anything in the world post-Legion unless you are literally asleep or afk
You might not like the instance focused MMO wow became but Panda was the peak of it's quality.
WOTLK is barely better too in all these regards.
Real greatest MMO of all time passing through
11 gays are adorable.
>"I miss when MMORPGs forced players to interact and play together!"
Basically they want systems that force interdependence and interactivity to do literally anything, because it makes up for the lack of human connectivity they get IRL because they are such insufferable morons.
>Basically they want systems that force interdependence and interactivity to do literally anything
Exactly, because it's an MMO. Frick off to single player RPGs.
You cannot ensure design that assumes competence and cooperation and keep things fun and balanced. Noone wants to deal with you wiping the alliance because your mom is shouting at you to take a shit.
>"But it's massively MULTIPLAYER!!!!"
Rudimentary adherence to the name of the genre doesn't make it the best, especially when, like in 75 era 11, there was so much basic QoL and time value proposition sacrificed. Just admit that you got off on making idiots indebted to you to help out their /shouts, but don't pretend like it's the best in genre.
Not my problem, frick off to single player RPGs if you cannot function in a group, with all that entails.
Solo friendly mmos won, cope
Enjoy your dead genre then
enjoy getting shunned and ignored in MMOs as well as IRL.
Every mmo that gets released on Steam gets something like 800k players on release day, it's far from dead. Nobody wants to have to get together a fricking group just to play. Solo friendly mmos won at least a decade ago now, you are stuck in the past to a ridiculous extent
Yeah, for 2 weeks, then no one cares about the game anymore, because why would you play a solo MMO with shitty MMO kill 300 boars design when you could play an actual single player RPG? Even raidlogging, mazed WoW players keep complaining about how shit their game is.
People like playing with others. Why does anyone play multiplayer shooters when they can just play single player shooters instead? What a stupid argument.
>People like playing with others.
You're so close to getting it...
dumb, people like playing with others in bursts, not mandatorily. It's kind of wild how you don't get this, when everyone else that plays this genre got it years ago. Do you have a medical problem or something?
>people like playing with others in bursts, not mandatorily
That's why MOBAs, and later battle royales killed MMOs. If you're too antisocial to interact with other people outside of your weekly raids then you shouldn't be playing MMOs.
They literally didn't though, MMOs still have millions of paying players, new expansions are getting released all the time, you are actually mentally ill
They have millions of players (and a severely declining population) and yet they're glorified single player RPGs. Truly a tragedy for anyone who played actual MMOs.
yeah ok great, good talk
He is right you nogger. The best part of MMOs is the chatting together in a 50+ player guild while doing a semi challenging content. I wanna log in, ask my bros how they are doing, do group content with ransoms and form relations that can blossom in weeks to come, then join for a raid with my guild for the evening's duration. Shit gets boring quickly if you have 0 connections with people
what sucks is they ruined casual raiding, barely any reason to step into a raid anymore
You're not describing Aht Urgan era FF11 though, which that OP was proclaiming best of genre, and in which you get anally raped by the devs as they hold you down and gouge out one of your eyeballs if you so much as contemplate doing something without highly coordinated and competent groups. And when those groups include spergs like that anon by necessity, it becomes so tiresome.
75 era FFXI brought people together in a way that no other MMO has achieved since then. I don't see how anyone who actually played it can disagree on that.
>75 era FFXI allowed me to interpose myself in other people's experiences in a way that I cannot get away with IRL and I found personally gratifying, against their objections to my grating presence due to me being a massive sped
ftfy you massive autist
Why are you so mad?
>vanilla was the best expansion!!!!
>classic released
>u-uh TBC was the best expansion!!!!
>TBCC released
>u-uh Wrath was the best expansion!!!!
>Wrath classic released
>u-uh Cata was the best expansion!!!!!
>Cata classic released
>u-uh MoP was the best expansion!!!!
>MoP classic released
>u-uh WoD was the best expansion!!!!
>WoD classic released
>u-uh Legion was the best expansion!!!!
>Legion classic released
>u-uh BFA was the best expansion!!!!!
>BFA classic released
>u-uh Shadowlands was the best expansion!!!!
die.
I have not seen a single person profess any sort of love for Cata beyond enjoying one or two of the raids
you clearly haven’t been in wow threads then
It has the best 5 man content in the history of the game, and besides dragon soul obviously the raids literally are all S tier.
Also I know you're not allowed to say this, but after doing classic zones for the 6th time recently I really really was wishing that deathwing would just fly over me and put some more entertaining quests in.
I feel the same about the classic quests, doing them repeatedly in classic HC, some of them are just awful, like just straight up not well designed
Vanilla questing and leveling is not fun, people seem to conflate vanilla questing and leveling with the joy of exploring vanilla azeroth with your friends. Sadly this doesn't happen in modern classic anymore as everyone just rushes to the endgame and tells me how amazing and immersive killing 500 murlocs with frostbolt was (because asmongold told them to say it was amazing and immersive)
Classic HC I'm enjoying levelling somewhat because there's the element of danger, but yeah the questing doesn't hold up well. Bring me 16 bear asses (note many bears do not have asses somehow) loses its luster after so many years. It's funny how you only appreciate stuff like the world revamp when you replay the game without.
True, what a waste they never did anything with that
It's fine if your not playing basedcore leveling the same class every 2 months
yeah hardcore breaks the game, I'm increasingly of the opinion that it's one of those games that is far more fun to watch than actually play, like Starcraft 2
The only thing I liked about Cata was the vibe of Gilneas
Pvp was best in cata and then mop.
No. I don't want to have to do a ton of shit just to get into the arena and RBGs.
Also, as others have said, tier 11 is the best raid tier blizzard has ever made.
Class design in classic and tbc is dogshit and incomplete. In wrath, it got better but was still not awesome. Cata was the first time class design felt complete and great. It has some of the best iterations for multiple specs (boomkins and perfectly timing mushroom detonations, frost mage deep freeze shatter combos, hunters in pvp in general, etc.)
Vanilla is the only one people can say is the best in full honesty and not doubt themselves at all
All the others are just coping
>Unironically the greatest MMO of all time.
ENTER
>posts the expansion that started the great decline
>"Heh, this'll show them, I'll post a screenshot of Asmongold looking at google trends next!"
The amount of seethe that Asmongold causes among mmo players will never not be hilarious
It was funny when he made that esg video and claimed it wasn't about diversity, even for blizzard, and actually about climate change and the environmentalism.
If you actually read any of the ESG documentation, diversity is not even mentioned while environment and corporate governance is mentioned a whole lot, he's right
israelite
Other than later in that thread he was reading where blizzard points out that their diversity point board they used for overwatch 2 was to boost their esg rating, showing that it effected blizzards decisions. And blackrock talking about how important diversity is in videos.
A quick guide on people's opinion on Legion.
>People who didn't get anally fricked by RNG on their first legendary or were too casual to care
Wow, this is the best expansion since WotLK
>People who got Prydaz, Xavaric's Magnum Opus on their fricking Brewmaster and therefore didn't have a functioning Legendary until halfway through the first wienersucking raid patch due to legendary drop rate penalties
Wow, this expansion sucks almost as much diseased wiener as WotLK did
>second week of legion
>playing rogue, first mythic dungeon drops ravendold seal
>bis for my outlaw rogue
>wreck shit, get invited everywhere
>blizzard nerfs my spec into oblivion up until last patch not even month in of expansion launch
>dps is either low or extremely high because RNG, no in between, people reluctant to invite
hunter was shit, mage was play fire or gtfo for long time, prot warrior nerfed several times just when I thought to try tanking that expac
I just gave up, why bother farming AP if blizzard can nuke your invested spec in heartbeat
>ass rogue in wod and legion
>top meters without even trying
stopped playing after legion so idk what they did next but lmao the most braindead spec and gets top billing
FFXIV 2.0 onwards at it's worst is unironically better than WoW at it's best. Not even shitposting, though I know all the WoWgays ITT will take it that way.
XI is better than XIV and WoW altogether
MOP had best PVP balance
Cata was second
Warth third.
>best pvp balance
>Hiroshima Nagasaki entire timeless island as destruction warlock to the point of people forming hunting parties to get you
heh, it sure was
timeless isle was so fricking good bros
so much shit to do and so much freedom
legion was a horrible timegate expansion nobody liked at the time, killed pvp, and the feminism started getting noticeable
Legion also started M+ which has devoured the modern game and turned the endgame into esports trash
That's not Ultima Online
WoW was always garbage and blizzdrones need to kill themselves
It's honestly depressing how bad WoW is nowadays
I had a lot of fun with TBC and WotLK, they helped me get through my toughest time. By the time Cataclysm released, I was already in a better position and it was clear that I had to let go.
Fricking zoomer normies.
Anarchy Online > FFXI > EQ > SWG > Eve
dark age of camelot was better than all of those except maybe UO and EVE in its prime
>DF: so bad it isn't pictured
probably better than shartaclysm and Black personlands by virtue of dragonriding alone. the overall feel of the game has been eviscerated and I wouldn't rate it above shit tier.
draenor had some of the best raids (highmaul/BRF). it was the turning point where raiding became modernized, dynamic, 'formulaic' - whatever you want to call it, but it's structured how you see retail is today. it wasn't until throne of thunder, but more realistically WoD, that raiding was good and encounters became multi-faceted and challenging.
>panda in low
pandaria is a shit tier expansion with the sole exception of TOT and the beginnings of what formed into M+ (challenge modes). not sure why people wank over this one. maybe it was when you started playing the game.
>legion in king of kings
yes, the expansion was a tour de force.
vanilla is pretty basic and only hailed as the goat because of rose-tinted goggles. discounting classicisms like GDKP and world buff autism, raiding wasn't fun. 40-man raiding was a test of patience and never enjoyable to organize. all of the bosses were hit sponges because of it. about the best I can say for it was that the world felt alive and you felt real community within battlegroups, not the faceless, deaf-mute, cross-realm shit you see today.
>draenor and vanilla mid tier
>panda in low
>legion in king of kings
This fricking list is all over the place and ALL of it is wrong. Except maybe Shadowlands.
5.x monk was so good then they ruined it in wod and now make trash like DH and evoker
>anything after WotLK
>good
No.
I wouldn't know. I stopped playing after Cata.
Should I give this a try?
>MoP was the last time I had an actual guild full of friends to do content with that wasn't just raid-logging
>WoD killed it
>Made new friends in Legion, but it was just raid logging and no actual camaraderie
>BfA killed it and my enjoyment of the game completely
I played during the life cycle of each expansion until BfA. I haven't logged in since 2019.
kys chink homosexual
what comfy games are you playing now that you quit worlo anons?
Final Fantasy both 11 and 14, at the same time
OP here, wrong pic. sorry guys
>*Requires full version of World of Warcraft, Wrath of the lich King, and Cataclysm to play
how come TBC isn't required? I never played after lich king
You cnat be nostalgic for nu wow, it's just a seasonal lobby game. Vanilla era actually crafted memories for the players because of the open world leveling focus and the internet being more wild.
First two months of Classic were really fun honestly if you ignored the minmaxers
if classic has taught me anything is that WRATH and TBC truly sucked dick and were trash ass expansions, must've been easier being an MMO player back in the day if you dont care about quality.
vanilla is the GOAT though, after that its MoP
While I really liked MoP for it's raids (except heart of fear that one can go die in a fire) I have to say MoP by far has the worst dungeons of all expansions. Even on release they were a complete joke to run through and were a snooze fest by the time you got some raiding gear.
Also who here waiting for stormforge fresh MoP? Thinking of rolling a prot pala this time, prot warrior was pretty great.
What is stormforge, I played it on Tauri, it's their server or someone else's?
It was a progressive MoP server based on Tauris that came out last year. They have confirmed that they are going to start a new fresh MoP server with some QoL changes that might come out "soon". Pretty stable server that hade a big playerbase at release, but people are just waiting for a fresh server now.
they were bad but it’s just a tuning thing, i used to tank/heal them as boomkin for fun, and the m+ versions are fine
Badly tuned, and a lot of them had so much waiting around for X to happen. I can't speak for the m+ versions since I don't play retail anymore(probably would if my friends did).
I disagree, that's either BFA or WotLK. WotLK didn't have challenge modes to give its dungeons teeth and the game's design at the time was moronic AoE spam 24/7. BFA had Mythic+ but the dungeons weren't designed anywhere near as tightly as Legion's around Mythic+ so they were really unfun to play through. But MoP's dungeons were definitely shit.
???
Legion was 100x more egregious for m+ design with too much unavoidable damage that would 1 shot you
That was preferable to the absolute slog that were BFA dungeons. I didn't like a single fricking one of them.
BFA had super short dungeons and people did massive pulls with snapping, you obviously didn't actually play BFA if you didn't zoom through freehold or junkyard
Objectively Legion dungeons had a ton of mechanics not designed to scale well that became problematic, more than BFA did
I did in fact play BFA and I hated its guts. Worst expansion built off of a moronic idea and ending on a fricking Dragon Soul-tier raid made it even worse. There was NOTHING I liked about that piece of shit.
Nyalotha was a great raid you contrarian
And faction war is the heart of WoW
You didn't even know how BFA m+ played, so it's pretty obvious you didn't play
No it wasn't and no it isn't and that's still not an excuse for the potato-tier writing. BFA is also the first time I had to deal with fricking c**ts who would leave the moment you popped a key.
The entirety of WoW (except maybe Vanilla and MoP) have potato tier writing, though, it's not as if it was exclusive to BfA. Admittedly BfA is where they started making every female character a girlboss, though, and emasculating/gaygifying every male character simultaneously.
There is a difference between potato-tier writing on some aspects of it, that's a given with WoW, and potato-tier writing on every single part of it. Every expansion since BFA has had incredibly shit writing, but BFA had shit writing and a bad core concept.
Are you serious? What part of TBC or Cataclysm wasn't potato tier?
Faction War isn't a bad core concept though?
Faction war plots has too many restraints because the game has two factions of players they have to maintain and changes can't happen to reflect moments in the game's story, so they have to go out of their way to write contrived plots to keep the status quo or hand wave obvious points on why the faction war shouldn't last as long away because it's "not the story they want to tell"
This is exactly why it's shit. It also wasn't the original intention of the game.
>The entirety of WoW (except maybe Vanilla and MoP) have potato tier writing
It's funny how this led to people saying MMOs don't need a story. Turns out people do like MMO stories just not WoW's
>faction war is the heart of WoW
Too bad BFA forgot that it was supposed to have a faction war after the trailer.
It had an entire raid for the alliance attacking and killing the Zandalari King who had joined the horde
We also had Darkshore warfront
And PvP objectives built into Nazjatar & essences
Did you actually play BFA at all?
He's right though, that was all the initial patch, after that they burned through two things that each should've had their own entire expansion (Naga/Azshara and N'zoth/The Old Gods) since the writers wanted to finish up all the old story threads so they could do their own "better" material from Shadowlands onwards instead of following up on previously established plot threads and lore.
Everything I mentioned was post release you dumbfrick
You LITERALLY did not play BFA. Stop posting.
Yeah, 8.1, meanwhile 8.2 and 8.3 completely dropped the conflict and burned through content that everyone believed would be its own expansion someday, while the faction conflict was shuffled to the side.
Except Nazjatar and Essences kept a pvp focus
Over half the expac was alliance vs horde patches
Anyone who thought a full expac of DUDE EYES AND TENTACLES LMAO would ever work is moronic. WoW does not do one note expansions and never has
What the frick do you call WoD then? The entire thing was a one note expansion.
>What the frick do you call WoD then
A failure of planning.
I have to disagree with you there, as far as M+ goes, BfA was easily the pinnacle, all the dungeons were well designed and it had the best seasonal affixes as well.
oh shit, fresh stormforge? frick yeah, gonna roll me a hunter.
Heroics were a joke yes, but challenge modes were great and I massively preferred them to m+.
Challenge modes were easy as frick though, if you could organize a group to do them they were a cakewalk. It was a nice little side activity but it could never become a mainstay of content the way M+ did.
Exactly.
ToT was more fun that anything else in WoW but that last raid was dull as frick. I agree with OP though, but it would be GW if it counted as MMO.
holy frick
Every time i've asked Gankerirgins to post their toons so i could look them up they were:
1. complete shit at PvP
2. complete shit at PvE
3. clearly boosted in either one
4. posting a character that wasn't theirs
WoW general are a bunch of furries, troons, and other carebear homosexuals.
/v/irgins opinion on WoW is null and void. They're as bad as the Hello Kitty Island Online 14 players.
Don't bother participating in these threads, either play the game or discuss it with people that won't lie just to validate their sad addiction and total and complete failure as human beings.
wow wasnt really much of an mmo by this point
everyone just sat in cities queuing for dungeons and raids
TBC>Vanilla>WOTLK>>>>
that's it, everything else was shit. goofy ass panda expansion frick outta here
tbc is shit, vanilla is good though however wotlk is a shittier version of retail.
sorry bub your nostalgia feelings took over.
Naturally
Considering where the series ultimately ended up, it really should've ended at MoP, Legion at the latest.
this is why nobody bought df, there’s no reason for every dragon to be a homosexual suddenly
It's not as if it's just the Dragons, half the npcs you meet in Dragonflight are homosexuals, from the crafters to the centaurs to Alliance/Horde representatives.
goyslop casino that killed the MMO genre more like
>any version of WoW
>greatest MMO of all time
lmao
At no point did WoW ever even remotely hold a candle to the true goat
>not UO
You're right that WoW has never been the greatest MMO or anywhere close though.
While I agree that UO is better than WoW, I do not agree that UO was better than DAOC SI. That said I also didn't start playing UO until like 2003 so I missed those first few years when it was truly special, by the time I had come around the game was already dying off and everyone remaining were essentially experts.
if it's so great why is it dead?
Because the development team made incredibly stupid decisions with the next paid expansion, Trials of Atlantis, and the following free expansion that gutted the RvRvR and open world PVP aspects of the game.
The development team also took a ton of the money they made from DAoC and instead of investing it back into DAoC invested it into Warhammer Online which was a colossal failure.
wow ruined the genre
If they continued with MoPs design instead of listening to edge lords who called the Xpac "childish" the game would still be alive today.The fact is WoW's player base was aging by the time MoP came out starting jobs and families. MoP accommodated this with less grinding,The Grinding that was there could be done at a more casual pace often while completing other objectives or goals and the grindiest faction in the Xpac was so hated they killed them all in 5.4. Classes were given less build up time and just immediately fun to play. Even with the talent rework while you didn't get a talent point every time you leveled you still got something each new level so leveling was still rewarding and while LFR still sucked flex raiding ment that one person being unable to make raid night didn't mean you had to grab some rando or scrap the whole thing.
Literally all of this is a lie
MoP had a ton of grinding for Valor and charms at release
Classes were designed to not give you major spells until very high levels. Until Shadowlands shit like fan of knives was restricted to high levels so sub/mut rogue couldn't AoE at all
You did not get something every level in MoP, this is a bold faced lie
Flex didn't apply to anything you would actually prog with your guild, it was just a new baby mode difficulty for "social" guilds
>Classes were designed to not give you major spells until very high levels.
this is a cata issue, mop smoothed over a bunch of cata problems
MoP has the best class design the game has ever had, regardless of anything else, every class was incredibly fun to play, and that matters far more than class balance.
MOP fixed a lot of Cata's problem but no expac has fixed all the problems TBC introduced.
Vanilla is still on another level.
Yeah Vanilla is still terrible with how slow it is, disgustingly bad class imbalance and half assing druids and literally forgetting to make spells and items for them, literally one viable build for everyone, one button spam for everyone etc.
Wotlk and mop where the only great expansions, because i had 9 real life friends to play with. Everything before, after and between was shit because i didn't play.
WOTLK would have been 100% perfect if it didn't introduce dungeon finder, though even with that I'd still put it at the top
WOTLK > TBC = Vanilla > MoP > Legion >>>>>>> Everything else is complete dogshit