STOP RIPING OF THE DEVS AND ARTISTS, Ganker!
>Why is it doing this despite consistent backlash from communities about the harms of generative AI? Well, according to Unity, it “believe[s] that every aspect of the creative process, from systems to objects to pixels, will be impacted by AI – and so will all of the resulting runtime characters, worlds, and experiences.” It’s getting ahead of the curve by giving you all the tools you could need to create games with as little knowledge and skill as possible. I’m not against people learning to make games by any means. I’ve always been a huge supporter of innovative indie games, and we’ve seen excellent games created by single developers that took the industry by storm (Stardew Valley and Return of the Obra Dinn come to mind). Making game development more accessible is a huge win for the indie game industry. But AI is so fraught with plagiarism and other ethical issues that I can’t help but read this news with dread.
>Unity’s entrance into the world of AI is a horrible move, and from the replies to its announcement tweet, it’s not going over well at all. I’m glad to see that game developers and artists, who are Unity’s biggest users, are furious at this development and are pushing back strongly. But it’s shocking that in the face of consistent backlash, Unity is going out of its way to alienate its customer base. This is yet another example of corporate greed and of a company slapping AI onto everything because it excited stakeholders with no understanding of the industry they’ve invested in. We can only wait and see if Unity walks back this decision to hurt artists and game developers more than it already has, but I don’t have my hopes up.
Thoughts?
https://www.thegamer.com/unity-ai-democratising-ability-rip-game-developers-artists-off-sentis-muse/?newsletter_popup=1
>Thoughts?
tldr
IA bad because it replaces people according to some gay game journo.
What's wrong with replacing people?
Internal Affairs?
homosexuals are mad that making games is going to be easier than ever with AI tools because they want as many barriers to entry to control as possible because the indie scene is just one giant clique of progressive white male techbros that have raped multiple women gatekeeping what indies get popular and what indies don't
>who cares about the human spirit
>who cares about striving to improve yourself and creating something meaningful
>I JUST WANT TO CONSUME PRODUCTS!
grim
and now you have better tools to create more meaningful things you're just an uninspired broken moron
He's a complete and utter moron. Unity will not "walk it back" and there is zero chance of the world saying
>actually we're going to undiscovered this and never use it again
AI is here. End of story. It's not leaving. Turns out if you were an artist, you weren't that special after all. Get the frick over it and adapt you fricking crybabies.
You are, in old terms, demon possessed. The idealization of this AI took over you because you believe you are someday going to be paid greatly for it by your belief in it's growth.
Different age, same being. Oh sure, you claim that because, 2000 years ago, we had comparatively little technology, that it is so different now. However, once you go beyond this current level of technology we have now, eventually all possible physical configurations become equal, meaning your preference to this here and now is vanity, and will shatter like glass.
Whatever you think AI is, it isn't smarter than me. If it's not smarter than me, it's definitely not smarter than the angels and prophets. It certainly has no intelligence compared to God. What image are you making it out of? In old times this would be called a false profit.
I am not saying you can not develop this. I am saying to stop treating this as an idol.
huh?
>you believe you are someday going to be paid greatly for it by your belief in it's growth.
Actually that's the opposition. They all think their mediocre art is going to land them glamorous careers and tons of money. They think AI is stealing this from them.
>It certainly has no intelligence compared to God.
Actually God is dead. I asked ChatGPT to create a new one, and AI God went and killed the old one.
Because God's realm is peaceful, silent, how is it you believe mockery of God is possible? It is impossible to mock God. You can't have some AI without it's container universe.
Until the AI finds a way to get out of the universe. You haven't seen God... yet.
And then it's in that container universe which is also container in another universe.
Seeing is believing.
Who the frick is treating AI like an idol?
One of the higher ups at Google was quoted, I am paraphrasing here, as saying he wanted to develop AI into some type of god as soon as possible.
They quoted him because he was a moron nutcase. Point and laugh. Nobody idolizes AI as a god.
He does, it seems. More than likely there are others.
let me guess
you read some moronic clickbait headline and now you mindlessly parrot it
nobody at google has said they are making AI god
what you're referring to is a snake oil salesman that has been trying to sell his scam for over 5 years now
You don't even have to look that far. it was prophesized in the book of revelations. using science as a god has long been a major goal of those in power
Too good post for this shit board. You're wasting your time.
aww sweet schizo kino
>it's definitely not smarter than the angels and prophets. It certainly has no intelligence compared to God
pathetic
you are, in current terms, a moron
Replace AI with the mechanical saw and you've written a pretty nice Paul Bunyan fanfic. I like to imagine that if you were born a century or two sooner, you could have protested against industrialization.
Anyway,
is right. The only two options available right now are to invest in what people call "AI" (which is no more "intelligent" than Microsoft Word's paperclip from the 90s), or to do nothing as someone else invests in AI and claims the market.
mechanical saws aren't capable of imitating human cognition yet. you have been warned.
>protested against industrialization.
https://besser.tsoa.nyu.edu/howard/Anarchism/Unabom/manifesto.html
>
they hated him because he told them the truth
yes better leave the internet grandpa. that is also not god supported technology.
yeah im not gonna use AI tools because they're demon possessed
he really nailed it and im just too offended to admit it
Bro, I just really hate artists and we are to the point where AI can create waifus without them.
If they become unemployed and die because of malnutrition and exposure to the elements, even better.
Simple as.
You will be missing out on quality. A subtle level of detail that only a human being can detect, or create for that matter.
Go buy milk at Save A Lot, or wherever has the cheapest milk. Then go to a farmer's market and buy homogenized pasteurized milk from cows that are raised in small batches and therefore have a great diet and life. Quality of life affects the quality of meat.
Growing it in a lab is 10000 times more expensive, if we could just stop concentrating our wealth so much we would have greater prosperity, all to allow a few individuals to create mass super processing farms, it changes the food at a quantum level. Even biological and molecular technology can not mend such.
>You will be missing out on quality. A subtle level of detail that only a human being can detect, or create for that matter.
But we also get rid of their egos and obnoxious biases
That will increase the quality way more than the decrease in quality.
homie, you have to understand that ego and pride play a huge role when creating something, if you don't possess the ego to want to create something better than anyone else, you aren't an artist, you're just a pajeet prompter.
>homie, you have to understand that ego and pride play a huge role when creating something
Yes. I am a project lead. And I have to deal with artists every day.
Then you understand that those things are just part of creating stuff, but you as a project lead have to stop them due to deadlines and constraints.
Perfect example of artists getting fricked over in the creative process is Destiny 2, shit is so sanitized and artists are so limited it might as well be the first AI generated game ever made.
>Then you understand that those things are just part of creating stuff
No. I doubt it. We don't have to forever be used to something bad. We can improve
>but you as a project lead have to stop them due to deadlines and constraints.
Not really my job. Specifically think of me as an overseer and "translator" between artists and programmers.
And I would love to get rid of artists. So many issues stem from the different goals of these two groups.
I see the creative process, at least in games, as a constant struggle between the artists wanting to make the coolest shit they can and the programmers trying to find middle ground between the cool ideas and what can realistically be done.
I'd just rather have artists who want to make the best shit ever than have AI prompts producing souless slop, though I guess I'm biased as someone with artistic inclinations who has to tard wrangle at my job.
>I see the creative process, at least in games, as a constant struggle between the artists wanting to make the coolest shit they can and the programmers trying to find middle ground between the cool ideas and what can realistically be done.
no experience then. Zero.
Programmers want to do the "cool" stuff and try to do something that reaches the edges of what is possible
artists rarely care about gameplay.
>I'd just rather have artists who want to make the best shit ever
**best looking
If you care about gameplay you are on the programmer side in this "war"
That depends, programmers are either code monkeys or passionate dudes trying to make le ebin gameplay, there's no side to take in this "war", there's only the creative process which should entirely be handled by humans and not by any kind of AI.
It's that simple.
okay but in reality there are no artists excited about gameplay
so if you truly weren't lying wanting game creators to make " the coolest shit they can" then believe me that is going to happen more once AI replaces artists.
AI will just be appropriated by big companies to cheapen production and then programmers will be even bigger code monkeys than they already are.
Indieshit will be even shittier thanks to AI.
As ever, the old saying still stands, nothing worth doing is easy. AI is just the latest attempt to cut corners and it will do far more damage than some arrogant homosexual artist.
I doubt it will get worse.
For me the modern gaming creative process is broken because we don't start with gaemplay our visionaries start with character designs
If I see another fricking little native american looking girl with magic powers I am going to throw myself of the roof.
Maybe as a lead you should have a big fricking meet between artists and programmers and find a middle ground instead of having broken communication between the 2 vital components of making games, cause that seems to be the problem from what you're telling me.
>Maybe as a lead you should have a big fricking meet between artists
We have those regularly.
>instead of having broken communication
The communication isn't broken. The goals are completely unaligned
Artists don't care about the game part of video games.
Then you either work in corporate or with literal pillocks, in which case I'm sorry for you.
>or with literal pillocks,
well yeah artists
I worked in multiple studios from multiple countries by the way. Easily quadruple digit artists and programmers.
they are not as unique as you want them to be
>in reality there are no artists excited about gameplay
Anecdotal.
as opposed to you with zero experience?
>You will be missing out on quality
Implying you're average AIgay gives a single frick about quality. Should see 80% of the post on the stable diffusion threads. Just all 1girl moeblob prompts o nbackgrounds that are compositionally nonsense.
>You will be missing out on quality. A subtle level of detail that only a human being can detect, or create for that matter.
Do you have any evidence to back that up? Soul is such a fricking meme. People aren't magic, the "soulful" qualities of anything can be quantified. We already have data that shows people can't reliably tell the difference between AI and human generated written content, and that's only going to become more true as these models progress.
The difference between AI and human writing that consists of a handful of sentences, I presume? Show me a good AI book. Show me an AI's thesis. How about an AI's opinion? Or AI prose and its explanation about what influenced it. Would you trust a D-day recount from a soldier after you learned that a random 20 year old Australian wrote it? When do YOU personally stop caring about the author? And what do you even read?
>muh waifus
Weebs are so fricking garbage
Where did the artist touched you?
An AI can't make something like this image of Silver Wolf, firstly because they all use the same generic art style
> An AI can't make something like this image of Silver Wolf
An AI did though.. miHoYo is pretty open about their AI gen assets.
Godcucks are so mentally ill
>Whatever you think AI is, it isn't smarter than me
I promise that it is, if only because you are impressively fricking moronic
who do you think programmed it
>Reddit spacing
>Reddit opinion
>Reddit "hey let's not do that"
How about you go watch another 7 hour leftytube essay
Black person
>Reddit "hey let's not do that"
the last line of the post says the opposite of that
reading comprehension
absolute schizo post, AI will replace god in no time and the world will be better for it because at least it answers prayers
It gives you food which is sweet to the taste and sour's in the stomach.
You are a moron, in a petersonian and literal sense.
>All these (You)s
Based. Reminder the supporters are the anti christ. Literal Neo Nazis far more dangerous than ever before.
>a false profit
Minor spelling mistake
You lose
>all the seething israelites in replies
lmao, good post
>jews upset about someone praising their god
lmao
Sorry dude, Industrial Revolution was that rubicon, it's a bit too late. AI won't do what hasn't been already done.
This is like getting mad at the printing press being invented because people can read books other than the bible.
You mean people can read the Bible themselves instead of trusting their preacher.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
guise wouldn't it be cool if we could go back in time to the middle ages so i could use my tradcath katana to fight demons?
>Turns out if you were an artist, you weren't that special after all.
kek perfect.
we're going to undiscovered this and never use it again
This literally how things happened in history thud
But what's actually going to happen is it will be banned from creative spaces instead of laborious spaces.
>But what's actually going to happen is it will be banned from creative spaces instead of laborious spaces.
I'm not a israelite, but I'm wringing my hands at this. That means I have an edge as a creative who can use AI. I just have to keep the information private in my mind and use it to be creative.
>Turns out if you were an artist, you weren't that special after all
>AI specifically needs artists to "train" (copy)
Your line of thinking is like a troony.
>Cut my dick off -> heh, looks like you women weren't that special all along!
>AI is here. End of story. It's not leaving.
This sounds familiar.
>le inevitability
Just like shitcoin
Yeah, because shitcoins have replaced peoples' jobs
This. People can kick and scream and b***h and moan but AI is here to stay, that can is open, it cannot be closed, and it will roll over these people if it has to. People have always fought against progress like this and they always lose and are either forced to adapt or be left behind. The longer it takes for them to accept this the worse off they'll be.
>same shill post with the same text and same reaction image
You got any facts to back that up or are you just mad?
>People can kick and scream and b***h and moan but NFTs are here to stay, that can is open, it cannot be closed, and it will roll over these people if it has to
I get you're desperate to draw a correlation here, but you're not even fooling yourself, let alone anyone else.
>I get you're desperate to draw a correlation here
so it will fail. no legislation needed then.
artBlack folk are the NFTgays in this debate, they're crying because LLMs are cv pasting their precious jpegs
>AIgays aren't NFTgays!
So who is profiting of the open-sourced AI project published on the github with MIT license? Go on. Tell us.
>comparing scam that you have to pay for to literal free knowlege that anyone can use
Congrats, you are mentally moronic.
all video games will look and play exactly the same. no more quirks, no more sovl
its over
so no difference at all from games right now
>t. depressed and jaded dead-ends
>all video games will look and play exactly the same. no more quirks, no more sovl
unlike current video games
Nothing changes but games will be easier to make?
I don't see the issue.
you should see how awful the google play store was even before AI reared its ugly head. now it's ten times as bad
Nobody with a functional brain browses the google play store. Its sole use is to install things you know you need or have heard about elsewhere.
now imagine all that shit on the google play store being sprayed out everywhere else by a thousand buttholes. and endless churning sea of shit that isn't even mediocre
So, just the same as today?
What about the ability to rip and tear?
i want ai to make a doom game but instead of demons i'm shooting anime girls and blowing their limbs off. such a game would only be possible by ai, since devs wouldn't put the effort to make such a game. thats where ai will shine.
I'd love to find a model that focuses on guro/ryona with any sense of anatomical accuracy. Local model, of course.
>take Doom 3
>replace monsters with anime girls
Woooow too hard
Also I did this with AI
I take it you have already played Citadel?
I want to make a Warcraft 3 like game where instead of fighting, the units (3/4 of them are female) frick each other until one of the health-cum bar is depleted.
It creates simulacrums. Copies with no originals.
For now you can't see the consequences, because it is currently recycling thousands of years of our development, art, and more recent in form our media. However once it starts processing its own data, more than our own, and its own data is greater in volume on a surface level anyway, the more blurry or out of focus or off-putting the content will be.
For example in a diasporic future most of the generated content would subtly look the same. Like a reverse uncanny valley. It would be off-putting the more you notice it everywhere.
So hey, let's not do that.
>For example in a diasporic future most of the generated content would subtly look the same.
This is already the case with human generated content so what's the loss?
Difference is our generated content looks subtly different. You are really going to look at Vincent van Gogh's starry night and know how he drew it, and try to say there is no uniqueness?
Have you ever tried to draw a circle? Uniqueness is embedded so far into your being that the very subtle movements you draw are naturally wavy and chaotic, and you as the center order it.
>You are really going to look at Vincent van Gogh's starry night and know how he drew it
That's one painting from over a hundred years ago. There are millions upon millions of paintings.
> Uniqueness is embedded so far into your being that the very subtle movements you draw are naturally wavy and chaotic, and you as the center order it.
lol, most digital artists just trace stock references and photobash in Photoshop and you know it.
It is still organically produced compared to AI.
Let me ask you this, do you believe processed food or organic food tastes better? I can guess your age group depending on your answer.
Food doesn't taste good period.
Is that not death?
>processed vs organic
?????????????
Let me ask you this, do you prefer photoshop or carefully editing glass prints with needles in a dark room? I can guess your age group depending on your answer.
I'm sure if someone did the latter, there would be a buyer. There are people who buy buckets of paint thrown on a wall. The artistic nature is an irreplaceable one.
This question right here. Photoshop was already the fast lane to mass produced art, AI is just the next step (and already used by Adobe as well).
Artist are deluded if they think they can stop this, go learn a real craft that AI can't replicate (yet).
The AI in photoshop beta AND adobe Firefly all use exclusively stock art, which is worthless
and what exactly would be a field that would be protected from AI?
Law
why would that be protected, in a few years they will be able to fuse LLM's with voice synthesis and replace lawyers
>why would that be protected
Because the authority in that field would have to be voluntarily given to AI
sure it could theoretically be replaced like you suggest
but we would have to agree
When I decide to replace my art with AI for my game I don't need your consent
when you want to replace lawyers with AI you need the consent of all law.
Not going to happen.
you make a good point, but im sure once we are able to prove it is 100% accurate with zero bias, lawyers will be fricked too
>tfw there will never be a perfectly unbiased, impartial, and infallibly logical robo-court
damn this shit sucks
maybe there will be. Some power higher than lawyers might profit from it
But I think law is the last profession that will go with AI
>But I think law is the last profession that will go with AI
That's going to be very bad. We need human consciousness to look at and 'experience' a context to be able to judge it.
there's already an AI powered app called DoNotPay that's basically a robot lawyer lol. law is perfect for AI as long as you can solve the 'elasticity' problem AI tends to have, it needs to be able to 100% know every single law and bylaw and provision at all times to be reliable. you can't feed it some local laws and then it forgets a few hours later or it's useless.
well maybe I should've qualified defense lawyer.
Like in a court. I don't see AI replacing court law soon
Correct, because such a thing does not and will never exist. There is no objective good or evil, only reasonable courses of action to be taken at the current time.
How do you expect an AI lawyer to be unbiased when it is trained entirely off of humans and their actions, which are inherently biased?
>There will never be
I am aware, my point being that even if it wasn't wienerblocked you'd still not get the Ideal Lawbot™.
>diasporic
I think you mean 'dystopic'
diasporic:
"a large group of people who may share a national or regional origin, but for a variety of reasons, are living outside of this traditional homeland"
Call it a metaphor.
Why does a moron always post this shit? Have you ever heard of quality control? People decide what the AI is trained on
Yes, however the more it is relied on, if people are paid more for it than organically created works, the AI gets trained on itself. All an illusion will result. People treating it as God, only because they created the illusion and got drunk off it. The more perfect that mirror becomes, the greater the shattering.
Ignoring the fact that you are obviously a pajeet, it never ceases to impress me how quickly history repeats itself.
https://www.inf.ufpr.br/renato/profession.html
>Reddit spacing
>Reddit opinion
>Reddit "hey let's not do that"
How about you go watch another 7 hour leftytube essay
>For now you can't see the consequences
You already do. There's so much AI shit that it already started to copy itself with worse results. You will eventually need specialized sets to get whatever you want times 100. That's where artists will still be needed.
sounds like a you-problem
programmers will solve literally every quality issue.
if there's a quality issue that can be identified by a layman (YOU) then it can be solved.
>muh hands
>muh blurry
Programmers will literally code themselves out of a job because they, much like scientists, never stop to ask themselves if they SHOULD do something, they only ask themselves if they CAN, if at all.
>Programmers will literally code themselves out of a job
So?
Programmers like open source shit
You are one of those "but you could be rich anon" morons.
I was talking about how we will reach a point when coders will make an AI to write code that's so competent it will replace coders as a whole, but you're too blinded by muh money to understand that not everything is about power or money.
>it will replace coders as a whole,
Yes
where is the problem?
I say this as someone whose only real skill is programming
You understand that people who aren't useful for the system get removed, right? Nobody's gonna keep deadweight around and I'm not talking about jobs, I'm talking about lives.
>You understand that people who aren't useful for the system get removed, right?
Yes. Which is why I am not worried. I know I am smart and will find a niche to work in
>I'm talking about lives.
You said it wasn't about money or power
so what do you mean with lives? Do you think we will put them into camps?
The whole human history is pawed with sacrifices
Yes that's how capitalism works.
Now go play videogames.
that's how everything works, midwit
Threads like this make me think of Terry.
Funny or not, TempleOS was the pinacle of human achievment for what one single person so far could achieve on their own without constraints.
There was no profit motivator. No "real" social acceptance motivator. Just a man and his God, a pact that was made and a promice fulfilled.
Whether or not his God was real, his OS and his Elephant sure as frick were.
AI Black folk and genuine fartists will never understand that the creative process is solely for the human soul, yours and others', but in order to understand that, you have to be human.
Sacrificing some jobs in the name of progress is a good thing though.
Unless you are implying that the progress will end the world, which is of course possible.
that's just the job apocalypse narrative over again
i thought our future was that we were going to be killed by AGI
i thought WW3 was happening and russia was going to nuke us
how about climate change, isn't that going to kill us before ww3 or maybe it'll kill us after the robots kill us
Sick of the endless whining. Anyone with a brain knows that life has never been better.
Why do artists think that they're the only vocation that deserves to not be automated away?
they spent years telling every blue collar factory worker that their jobs would be taken by robots, only for artists and other creative endeavors to be automated.
now they screech like banshees as talentless pajeets steal their cookie cutter anime drawings to make even more cookie cutter anime drawings faster
Whats with that now.
Of all the fricking people to shit on why artists?
Artists arent paid well, got terrible job security and require huge ammounts of skill to get paid less than an office drone.
The only artists that are wealthy are those that do rich people money laundering in dusguise and theyre not affected.
You act as if artists were these uppity rich kids that bully the poor working class people.
I personally look forward to AI btfong coders because they on the other hand are way overpaid.
>learn to code, chud
The AI will
>You act as if artists were these uppity rich kids that bully the poor working class people.
yes
that is exactly what they are. artists always had an unwarranted sense of superiority
especially in stuff that needs more professions like game design they always think they are superior to programmers or game designers.
Your assumption of arrogance seems like it comes from a place of low self esteem rather than an actual belief held by the group you hate so much, stop projecting your insecurities.
It's like when people get mad at rappers with an ego, I don't, I'm not insecure about myself, why would I be offended at someone who likes themselves.
I am not a blue collar worker. My father was.
I hate people who disrespect them. I have no insecurity. I do not think I am superior for being a coder
artists do look down on blue collar workers.
>m not insecure about myself, why would I be offended at someone who likes themselves.
Okay mr armchair psychology. Answer me why you are angry at people who do not like artists then?
I grew up with rich snobby kids looking down on me, I hate them as much as you do.
I literally have never seen examples of this, I've known all sorts of people and they attitude, I've only seen in rich kids and middle class commies.
I'm not angry I just think this is misguided anger as a way to protect yourself from people who would look down on you, hell 4 of my friends are rich fricks and they never treated me like those snobby kids, people aren't black or white like you think, grow past generalizations, it's for the weak willed.
I don't hate rich people. This is not about class
>I literally have never seen examples of this,
I
don*t
care.
I have worked with hundreds of artists throughout my life. Some I even liked. But by en large they are snobby homosexuals who look down on blue collar workers
>those filthy artists look down on blue collar workers
>unlike people working for chatGPT etc, who are true salt of the earth people and DEFINITELY don't look down on anyone
que?
people working for chatGPT etc, who are true salt of the earth people and DEFINITELY don't look down on anyone
Never said that. They are just homosexuals excited about technology. I haven't seen them champion blue collar workers nor attack them endlessly.
I can guarantee you that the AI pioneers, massively wealthy and successful, look down on uneducated blue collar workers far more than LOWLY artists do. They also look down on you as a mere code peon.
Okay find me them looking down on me.
you are all about evidence right? Find me a massively wealthy ai pioneer (and this part is important) looking down on blue collar workers.
You're beneath their notice, lmao. Where's the evidence that the fricking King looks down on me?
>You're beneath their notice
that is not looking down
Are you autistic? They don't even know you exist, but if they did, they would look down on you. Try introducing yourself to Sam Altman and see how it goes. He would probably call the cops.
>They don't even know you exist,
I am completely fine with that
>but if they did, they would look down on you.
Why would they give a frick?
>Try introducing yourself to Sam Altman and see how it goes.
Try introducing yourself to anyone randomly wanting shit from them.
>He would probably call the cops.
So would I.
>Why would they give a frick?
Why would these artists who have traumatized you so much give a frick? Because they feel superior to you.
>Why would these artists who have traumatized you so much give a frick?
Because they work with us. They have to. They are not better or a different class. They just think they are.
That is the thing. You want me to hate some rich tech bro for being rich but I can#t. But I can hate artists who make the choice to hate blue collar workers
also you dishonest homosexual can frick right off with your "they traumatized you so much" homosexualry.
You wanting to shame me for hating artists just makes me hate them more
So let me get this straight. Those who work with you, who are of the same class as you, they look down on you, so much that it has TRAUMATIZED you.
Yet those who are so completely above you that they are completely removed from you in their golden mansions and their doomsday bunkers, they harbor no feelings of superiority whatsoever. Cool.
Have you gone over the incident with the artist with your therapist?
>they look down on you
not me. I am above them
>so much that it has TRAUMATIZED you.
No
>they harbor no feelings of superiority whatsoever. Cool.
No unwarranted sense of superiorty. If you are so above me you do not have to care about my opinion then you are superior
However if I am your boss or your equal and you still find an unwarranted sense of superiorty then that is hateable.
>Have you gone over the incident with the artist with your therapist?
So does attacking my manlyness make your argument stronger in your mind? Oh no I am so weak and tramatized by these evil artists.
Or you are just that shitty that you think the only reason anyone could possibly hate anyone else is because of insecurity
That must be why you reply to me and attack me then. Sorry I make you feel insecure and I traumatized you with my posts apparently according to you
I work in tech, this is false. Especially because A LOT of tech workers come from working class families. Most programmers i worked with did not come from programmer families.
>people aren't black or white like you think,
Yes they are
>grow past generalizations, it's for the weak willed.
pattern recognition literally made us survive. The weak lack pattern recognition and died. You are the weak by lacking it.
>You act as if artists were these uppity rich kids that bully the poor working class people.
They quite literally are, and if they're not, they act like it. SHARTists always have some moronic sense of superiority and entitlement because they're "creatives" and I laugh at their suffering.
If anything, it seems to stem from constantly getting shit on as being worthless. I mean the "Art student slacker." is a trope for a reason.
The average AI shill view artists as lefty elitists, it's all petty culture war homosexualry of the highest degree. I don't doubt there's a bit of crab mentality going on as well.
>they spent years telling every blue collar factory worker that their jobs would be taken by robots
I don't get why anons keep regurgitating this nonsense. What artist even said this?
Tech bros sure, but it's not like being an artist was ever really lucrative in any sense of the word. It's easier to just study business, coding, accounting.
>What artist even said this?
most
Source? And not some randy, an actual well off artist saying this? I wanna see receipts.
And again, not Tech bros. Of course they would say that shit. I want to see a popular artist saying something along those line.
>well off
weird qualifier now
aurtis are rarely well off
>not Tech bros
I never know what that is. I imagiine someone with an elon musk sticker and a tesla.
>popular
Wow
you are the most dishonest. Now he has to well off and famous.
If droves of artist keep bragging about automatin surely you can find one. I don't see how my qualifier is goal post shifting. A famous rich artist saying it. I mean I see that retort everywhere, so it should be easy to find?
I mean...you're not trying to be disingenuous, are you anon...?
>If droves of artist keep bragging about automatin surely you can find one.
yes and so can you. Which makes me assume you don't want to see it
>I mean...you're not trying to be disingenuous, are you anon...?
Nope but you clearly are.
Art is hard work. Those liberals sticking bananas to the wall aren't real artists. Do you think an overworked Japanese animator would say that?
>Do you think an overworked Japanese animator would say that?
yes.
artists aren't one person or group that believes and says the same thing, there are right wing, left wing, and libertarian artists just like any other job.
>artists aren't one person or group that believes and says the same thing,
Yes they are
stop this fricking nonsense about how we are all unique
if you meet enough people you realize we all come in the same categories and artist is one of them
Adolf Hitler was an artist and none would argue he's left wing
Adolf Hitler was a israelite
but he was a jesuit agent
>there are right wing
so you are agreeing that artists are idiots?
some are, some aren't but it has little to do with which sports team they root for in the election, since that's a kind of idiocy almost everyone gets involved in.
I will form my opinion once some AI dude actually makes and publishes a game that someone will buy and play.
>cancellation of demo game project
>ad/spyware integration
>now ai shit
Dying company
>Democratising
what
There's more to AI than just images.
AI is a meme to please investors. They don't give a shit about the "creative process". Just your standard greedy israelite stuff.
Okay, what does it actually do though?
AI code is trash currently. It can figure out a simple command sometimes but it can't handle complex systems cause it doesn't actually remember the shit it's saying, it just pumps out a response. Unity is all about code snippets that form a greater system to function smoothly, so I don't know how the frick they expect AI to get elegant code together there.
AI modeling is also trash. There's WAY too many variables to modeling that the AI can't just scrape and understand. It's simply too much data.
Texturing is a big maybe, and only in specific situations. I haven't seen anyone really try it, but maybe a generative AI could figure out making seamless textures? no way in hell it can do complex UV textures, but it should be able to at least fake some repeating textures. Good luck getting a matching normal or height map though unless you get lucky and it's the kind of thing that can just be duplicated and turned into a normal from grayscale. Also not sure honestly if it can understand making the sides actually seamless.
The only thing that I think current AI could handle is AI sprite generation. I don't know if you can actually make backless AI stuff though. Still you could technically feed it a bunch of stuff and let it figure out how to make piecewise sprite characters. Again, good luck getting them to blend and mesh properly though. And it can make spritesheet type sprites, but I assume it'd have a lot of inconsistency in the animation.
It can't do anything except generate tiny details that players won't look too hard at. Someone it's expected to magically get better and replace artists in 2 weeks.
>Ganker is now just shamelessly copying articles that ~~*journalists*~~ wrote
suck it, OP
dont care unreal better
unitrannies can sugma
AAAgays fear the indie chad
damn... just look at these soulful non-AI produced games
And people are genuinely concerned that AI will make all games the same. AI-fearing losers refuse to think about anything for even a second
>AI can't create new ideas! It only rearranges existing things!
Same as the human brain. If that were the case we would have crazy, wonderful mythological creatures throughout history but we don't. We have man-with-horse-legs and man-with-dog-head.
>AI will make everything the same!!
No, humans will do that. Humans ARE doing it right now. They've been doing it for ages with books and music and games and movies and tv.
>Same as the human brain. If that were the case we would have crazy, wonderful mythological creatures throughout history but we don't. We have man-with-horse-legs and man-with-dog-head.
Don't accuse all of mythology of being shit just because you have read little of it
>A horse, but with extra legs
>Wolf, but BIG
>Serpent, but REALLY BIG
Riveting stuff, truly
For me, it's
>girl, but really pretty
Don't know why Deathloop's on here. Even if it was mediocre, it still tried new things.
what new things? the homosexuals Completely missed the point of groundhog day and just dressed the dishonored gunplay in a 70s disco Black person setting with nothing of interest whatsoever. as insult to injury you cant even finish it on the first try with player knowledge.
so how will be (you)r dream vidya Ganker?
Lots and lots of little girls!
It took me like 30 seconds to confirm that this was in fact AI. Amazing
Learn to code artgays.
>plagiarism
Why is it okay to steal an idea as long as you filter it through your brain first, but if it's filtered through an AI that's plagiarism?
There's no such thing as originality.
I make games and game tools. Thank god my focus on learning skills was never learning to draw (mainly because I can hire an artgay for cheap since they spawn by the thousands).
>Rip Off
Art is about copying
All culture is about copying
Did you come up with the words you’re typing? You stole someone else’s work. Did every developer invent each mechanic in their game? They’re stealing from other developers.
This is how creativity works. It’s built on other creativity. This money brainrot makes you think it’s one-man one-work but that’s not the case. All creation is a collaborative process and nothing is created in a vacuum.
yeah, and now a few tech bros have successfully copied and will soon replace millions of creative peoples, if you don't see the issue here you are either moronic or American.
Enjoy the boot moron.
>AI Is Democratising The Ability To Rip Game Developers And Artists Off
Neural networks are NOT AI. Ripping off existing stuff is THE ONLY thing they can "learn" to do. This shouldn't come off as a surprise to anyone.
Nice, no more Unityslop assetflip games on Steam!
"good artists copy, great artists steal" used to be the most popular phrase among artists
It was a common phrase amongst ai gays until they were taking each other's shit.
It was funny seeing those aigay profiles that where shilled here get upset with other aigays copying their "art."
>Haha, I can take and post what I wa- NO! STOP TAKING MY PROMPTS, MY IMAGES, AND IDEAS!
No one said this, AIjeets did before releasing AIshit.
eh some people said it but it was always kind of a meme
wtf i love ai now??
Artists who hate AI because it steals their art are nacissistic buttholes who I don't care about.
Artists who hate AI because it destroys their jobs and livelyhoods are victims of their inept governement who can't stop the wealthy from exploiting literally everyone.
I understand why creators are pushing back against AI because they want to keep making money but it's inevitable just like self driving cars replacing truckers and taxi drivers.
Can’t do 3D modeling, don’t care.
It can.
Just not in unity (Yet)
But there's Ai to make 3d models from drawings already.
Bullshit
>But there's Ai to make 3d models from drawings already.
It's shit beyond believe, th0
May be in 5 years
2 tops.
It can just not well enough , something that time will fix once there's more research in that area
If this helps me, who knows nothing about coding or game design, to realize my own worldbuilding project into a game, I am all for it.
I would love to make some sort of rts/rpg hybrid type of thing but all I know how to do is draw.
I would love to see how far someone with no programming knowledge would get.
The issue for me is that I don't even know where to start. I have the concept for what I kinda want, essentially a sort of hybrid between classic fallout games and xcom gameplay wise, but I don't know how to achieve that at all.
have you tried asking AI for a step by step way to do it?
I am just curious how it would look and if it would be halfway presentable.
Because even if it fails to make a good game making a prototype that can convey the idea would also be cool and could lead to games.
>have you tried asking AI for a step by step way to do it?
Nope, though I haven't yet really even put any serious work on the idea besides brainstorming. That could definitely be something to try at least when I get around to making more definite plans. My issue is that I am basically alone with this autism project so I don't really have anyone besides maybe an AI to look for advice, outside of just scrambling the internet for guides and what not.
>I am just curious how it would look and if it would be halfway presentable.
And my money is on "it looks like nothing at all because it won’t compile."
I was like you.
And then I started.
Think about one small thing you want to do, and try to do that. A good starting point: click to move. Will teach you basic programming logic and few important Unity functions like ray casts.
And then build on that.
When you get advanced you have to figure everything out. When you’re beginning, provided to can stomachs the pajeets asking the questions, you can just google anything and read a garbled question with a well written and accurate response.
Probably nowhere, as the AI would subtly frick something up sooner or later and they would have no clue what it did wrong.
How is the AI stealing from them?
AI is trained by looking at billions of images and copying what they did. But the thing is, this is what humans do too. I don't buy the moral argument against AI but I can accept social arguments against it that it could be pragmatically bad for society.
>this is what humans do too
no. have a nice day stupid pajeet shill
That's literally what content farms are. Cubicles filled with people iterating on pre-existinf assets, as proctured to them via design documents.
Everything is outsourced to the lowest bidder.
I don't know what makes Ganker think that [random.stone.wall].fbx was lovingly rendered by some artistic genius and not a literal army of Tawanese kids mass-producing vertices all day.
When it generates an image, is it generating the image essentially using techniques it learned from other artists? Or is it generating an image by creating a super collage like other people are saying? Because if it's the former I don't get how that's stealing, and if it's the latter it is certainly stealing.
>I don't buy the moral argument against AI but I can accept social arguments against it that it could be pragmatically bad for society.
I'm just trying to understand what's happening because I see so many people saying it literally steals art, but I'm not sure it does. I don't trust AI will progress ethically anyways given how much money is behind it at this point, but that's hardly ever the argument I see, it's usually focused on artists claiming their work is being stolen.
>When it generates an image, is it generating the image essentially using techniques it learned from other artists? Or is it generating an image by creating a super collage like other people are saying?
Stable Diffusion was trained on 2.3 billion images and the final model is 4GB.
So if we divide
4000000000 bytes (4GB)
by
2300000000 images
we learn that we're storing 1.73 bytes per image in the model.
How much is 2 bytes you might ask? In Notepad if you save a .txt file with 1 letter the file will be 1 byte. In mspaint if you try to save a .png image file with 1 pixel it'll be 119 bytes, without the file header it's 4 bytes.
So when an artist says "they're stealing my art", well... they've stolen less than 1 pixel of your art.
1 pixel too many
It doesn't use all 2.3b images for ever picture It makes you moron.
...then where the frick are those 2.3b images it's not using?
This is a really weird take. Are you familiar at all with how "AI" actually works? It is literally training a "model", which is basically just a giant mathematical equation. It is "trained" on the input data, in this case images. It looks at a ton of different features of the image (most of which are incomprehensible to a human if you look at the individual features), and calculates a weighting for each feature for that image. Then, it basically adjusts a giant ass mathematical equation with those weights from each image.
The final model is basically just a 4 GB mathematical equation that takes whatever inputs, and outputs something. It doesn't store anything from the images, it uses them to tweak the equation. That's why the final model is so small relative to the input set.
It makes no sense to look at this in terms of the size of the image vs the final model to determine if it's some sort of plagiarism. Nor does it really make sense to differentiate between it learning techniques or creating a super collage. If anything, it either does both or neither. It's more like semantics to try to make that distinction.
He's just showing how ridiculous collagegays are.
Stabble Diffusion doesn't "steal" art. It memorizes the locations of gradient shades of pixels on a grid and uses a probability equation to direct what tone of pixel will go to an adjacent pixel based in pattern "recognition".
This is why you can take a photo of an apple, load in an "anime.safetensor" and it will appear as if it were a painted line drawing as ipposed to a different LoRA called "photoDREAm.cptk" or whatever and have it appear as if it were ((masterpiece, photorealism, cinematic lighting)).
It's just math.
>because I see so many people saying it literally steals art
it doesn't, this was never true. they're mad that AI will use publicly available artwork as a resource but it's the only leg they have to stand on. and it might be your picture gets used as a reference for placement for 6-18 pixels in a 3000x3000 image. do you deserve to be paid for that? how much? 1/16th of a cent pure pixel? it's ridiculous. oh you really think you deserve to be paid for someone generating an image of Shrek anal voring Shadow the Hedgehog while dabbing you weepy little homosexual?
the "stealing" argument is just a histrionic emotional one used to invoke a kneejerk reaction in moronic normies that have been mindraped by social media to constantly be outraged by whatever the algorithm tells them to be outraged at.
also for reference a lot of these homosexuals will post their artwork publicly on deviantart and twitter or whatever and will go into a red faced shrieking crying tantrum if they found out their art was reposted somewhere else because to them that's "stealing". they can post whatever they want and maintain full control of it, you aren't allowed to save their pictures or edit them or use them for any purpose. (by the way, corporations using fair use against youtubers is LE HECCIN EVIL!!!!)
they have no real definition of stealing, it's just a childlike "i don't like this so it's bad!" reasoning
AI is bad for THIS society. Frick, AI is basically a staple of post scarcity fiction. Hurr durr artist mad because job. Okay then find a way to get the fricking billions that are being hoarded by the stupidly rich and give it to them. Who knows, if people didnt have to worry about making money they might have time to take up hobbies such as, I don't know, maybe making assets for the sole sake of being fed into an AI to train it?
The current AI problem is a symptom. People need to target the actual causes instead of AI.
>homosexuals claiming artists being mad about their content more or less being stolen and put into a blender is cool because "hurr looks like ur art degre is going to mcdonals"
>If they got their dream scenario the algorithmic fusions of things made and ripped from the internet would eventually start deteriorating as the algorithm begins stealing from itself, the flaws increasing no matter how detailed some dipshit is with their prompt until all media is nothing but a content sludge
You morons need artists no matter how much you feed a math equation, your dreams of the future are already rotting and decaying by the day
>start deteriorating as the algorithm begins stealing from itself, the flaws increasing no matter how detailed some dipshit is with their prompt until all media is nothing but a content sludge
Oh no
>pays a photographer to produce lots of photos for me so I can feed them to my ai instead of feeding it with random shit online
wow this was hard
You are a midwit if you think all AIs have to be randomly fed by google image search you massive moron
we don't need artists.
Artist took from nature so can we.
>Fartist whining
Yawn
Good. Time for it to remove all the poison from vidya that has accumulated over the last 15 years.
'ate artists
luv art
simple as
I can accept the argument that we should ban AI to protect jobs. But if were going to do that it shouldn't just be AI, that is not fair. We should also ban automation in manufacturing for example, to bring back those jobs. Why should only artists have their jobs protected?
>We should also ban automation in manufacturing for example, to bring back those jobs. Why should only artists have their jobs protected?
You like slave labour you're forced to do just to live? Artists are Blacksmiths, a wagey is a copo slave
You want everyone to be enslaved supporting AI onto art instead of labour.
As Always.
>Machine replaces factory worker
Can't stop progress. hehe...I'll never lose my artistic job!
>Machine replaces some Artists
NOOOOOOOOO THIS IS EVIL YOU CAN'T DO THIS NOOOOOOO
What is this weird strawman? The hate for artist on here is insane.
I personally see AI as a very useful tool, just use it with intend, fix up the mistakes and use it as a base for better images/stories/games. Why does everyone pretend that AI will do a story, game or movie by itself alone? The human factor will always be important and should work together with the AI.
> The hate for artist on here is insane.
Artists have earned "ACAB" levels of stereotypical dislikeability.
Just as a law-enforcement officials have to be like "not all cops", enough artists have demonstrated that the field is filled with actual walking-talking pieces of fricking shit to the point that if someone were to identify as an artist, I literally hope they experience misery and suffering to the point of ending their iwn lives out of sorrow and sadness
Frick them.
Even artists hate artists
AIgays say artists seethe non-stop and then post shit like this lmao'ing at your life
Alexa give me a picture of a tumblr art prostitute (with trans flag) making out with a cop in a nazi uniform (with swastika) at the bow of the Titanic, in the style of Rembrandt, in 4k.
source?
>journalists tell miners to learn 2 code
>autists attributes this to artists who have nothing to do with the people who said this shit
moron.
The glorification of AI art is lame. Here is a machine that can create art, music, writing, websites, simulate interactions, you name it. Except, who cares. Where was everyone when AI was being used for protein synthesis in the 00's? Why is AI cool now and not back then, when the current topic is lame midjourney shit and chatgpt?
>but it's so realistic
So? I can snap my fingers and procure an image of a big titty angel girl. Now what. Is this really a groundbreaking invention that will kill all artists?
Because now it is in the form of a toy.
You are on a videogame board
The fact that you can't understand how something interactive and playful is more engaging than something more impressive but purely theoretical is actually sad.
You might be a dumdum
I do not find AI art generation interactive and playful. All the replies to me worship AI image generation like it's their new God, it's creepy. Games are soulless today when made by brainless humans, lets make it even less soulful as we add a level of AI detachment. The same style, over and over again. This is apparently playful and interactive to you.
And before anyone puts words in my mouth I don't give a frick about artists losing their jobs. I'm simply asking why AI art is worshipped.
>I do not find AI art generation interactive and playful
You do not see how "hey I made my buddy look like captain america with a simple button press"
is a toy compared to protein synthesis
Now its confirmed you are actually moronic.
You don't know what you are talking about. Go away.
It is a toy. It's a moronic one.
The average artist
>hey I made my buddy look like captain america with a simple button press
>my livelihood is threatened we're being genocided!!!
The average anon
>hey I made my buddy look like captain america with a simple button press
>I am at the forefront of innovation and I can't wait to play games that are mirror images of themselves
Before you say
>but that's what human made games are today
Think about how AI will fix your problem.
all I am saying is the fact that it is an interactive toy is the reason people are now excited about it more than protein synthesis in the past
You asked why people care about this now more than that and I answered. I really don't care about this boogeyman of "ai worshippers"
I have no reason to defend them or accept that anyone excited about AI falls under that umbrella
If this is considered a "video game" to you, then this medium is the most satanic, autistic, mentally brained rotted thing ever in all of history and shouldn't have been allowed to continue past Pong. If games were suppose to end up like this, I'd even go as far as say the first sport shouldn't have fricking existed.
>If this is considered a "video game" to you
It is not.
I specifically used the fricking word toy for fricks sake
Its something to play around with
TRUE
Video Games are BAD
This board is now CLOSED
Everyone move to /misc/ right fricking NOW
Maybe it's because a lot more people are interested in generating images and stories than synthesizing proteins? Lmao what a dumb fricking take.
>oh boy I love le hecking science
This is a brand of autism and I’m tired of it.
Life is for amusement.
>LE HECKIN SCIENCE, MORTY, IT'S HECKIN SCIENCEARINO
God just fricking die, Reddit
’s entrance into the world of AI is a horrible move
tell that to NVIDIA
Unity isn't Nvidia.
they don't develop hardware. The point is, AI is here to stay and the cat's out of the bag and sure as hell won't go back in.
AI is going to continue to improve and if you want to stick your head in the sand, fine. In 5 years it will be unrecognizable.
Game developer here.
I will reiterate: If AI allows me to make games without having to deal with artist c**ts, I will gladly make the jump.
Anon got NTRed by some deviantart OC poster
you have no idea how it is to work with them
>t. delusional deviantart OC poster
Not that anon but artists DO suck as people to work alongside.
You can go up to any REAL craftsman with a schematic or design document and they will produce for you the requested product at a reasonable price.
Artists on the otherhand cannot help but interject their narcissistic "visions" and "personalizations" so their "creations" are ~~*bespoke*~~ and unique.
It's fricking ego.
You wan't art? Paint this picture: unemployable artist sells their body to pay off their student loans because they made a shit financial forcast on the future state of their possition in the free market.
I'll buy THAT for a dollar!
You are mad that a medium known for being about self expression attracts people who want to express themselves and their ideas kek, you are actually moronic, not only that but it's somehow narcissistic to express creative ideas, truly the moronest of morons.
I know it's hard to understand since you're autistic, but people are capable of having their own thoughts, opinions and will that does not align with yours and they're not your soulless servants and slaves, you think other craftsmen don't actually give things their own touch? You're not the expert, they are, I'm sure if you give them your shitty blueprint they'll understand how to fix your dumb crap that you thought of with your head inside your own ass.
nta
You're right, but for more than one reason. There are people that use art as a narcissistic outlet. But making art is inherently a self-centered (note: I didn't say selfish) endeavor. You're only focused on yourself because that's what the 'labour' of art is. It's converting an inner world to an external world, which fundamentally is self-centered. If you use that to satisfy your narcissistic needs, you're just an butthole, not an artist.
this, most artist are fartsniffing troons and I'm glad they're getting humbled
neo-ludites are a joke, their ideal moment in time to live is always 20 years ago when everything was perfect before things got bad
in 20 years they will scream for AI to be like it was today "I loved when AI was chaotic and funny, now i have this virtual reality streamed straight into my brain and i'm bored, reject modernity return to tradition"
I'm already like this. Everything is a service now. Local models can't compete with the shit big corpos are bankrolling. There's no hope for the future anymore.
What if I want to go back 50 years before the gold standard was abandoned? You can't just say there are no negatives to progress.
>they are against democracy
WOAH, WHO ARE THE FASCIST NOW!
Mass fartist suicide when
the AI image gen and AI text gen has stagnated for the past year, what happened AI bros?
THEY refuse to let it move forward
>They
Not a word. Use She/He like a real man.
AI companies got more secretive because of the increased competition.
That said there were quite a bit of advancements for publicly available models. Previously you weren't really able to control poses or get consistent characters. Nowadays it's sort of possible
Training more add-ons also improved quite a lot. Half a year ago training required plenty of images to get decent results. Nowadays you need way less.
im very familiar with AI progress and i've used basically every LLM, and image gen model, as well as the extensive plugins and control net. the field is stagnate, SD-XL is releasing in about a month and it is barely an upgrade over the current SD everyone has been using. extensions sort of help but still it is honestly too much of a pain in the ass to get quality from these things still.
LLM's are more promising but they still run into repetition problems and context size limits, as well as a lack of coherent logic.
Stagnate as in no research is being done or no drastic improvements have been made recently?
AI in its history had plenty of periods when things seemed to die down, i doubt this will be any different.
yea im sure there is progress being made behind closed doors, but a majority of the actually innovative spaces within the field are extremely dogmatic and strict on "safety" and will likely never release an extremely powerful model for public use.
how so?
Okay now post one like this but with the test suit.
SD has not evolved for the past year, SD XL is coming out and it barely looks like an upgrade
funnily enough, it generates anime better than anything, but its just endless pinup waifu shit. if thats your classification of good art then enjoy i guess
the key to stable is training your own models
>NOOOOO THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY IS STEALING WORK FROM ARTISTS
>YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO DO ANY WORK, YOU JUST POUNT AND PUSH A BUTTON
>DADDY GOVERBMENT PLEASE SAVE ME AND BAN NEW TECHNOLOGY!
Pretty much, and the same happened with colour, the same happened with motion and it happened again with audio and then again with cg.
They will blame the tools and not the craftsman.
The difference is that AI isn't a new tool, it's a new craftsman.
>be an old man labouring in the smithy
>want to create a nice pendant for my duaghter
>forced to make shitty swords for a shitty war I don't care about
>pays well so I put up with it
>one day the lord brings in some contraption
>it makes shitty swords even shitty shittier but at a faster rate
>what the frick I hate this thing it's steaking my job
>milord, please destroy all alike contraptions so I can continue to break my back making shitty swords for shitty coin to feed my family
>Making art is equivalent to producing 1 kind of metal weaponry
Here let me fix it for you
>one day the lord brings in a contraption that can, among many other things, spit out a pendant as good as I could ever make
>well shit, guess I'll have to sow wheat now. So much for working metal
Dont agree with the other guy, but the idea that an ai is a craftsman is dishonest.
You as the developer/artist/sound designer will still have to implement things in a cohesive, intuitive and appealing manner. Ai will likely never understand "intent" and as such it will simply be something akin to massive sound library and YOU will have to ensure that whats been selected is implemented in a cohesive, intuitive and appealing manner.
tldr stop whining and make the best thing you can with every tool at your disposal because confusing a universal image generator is like confusing a dream for a final product.
No it isn't. Using the word AI is wrong. People are using ML models, it's not an AI doing things on its own.
I don't think you have any control over the definition buddy
look at this guy, he's on a stage
are you on a stage?
nope
he says AI
people clap
>man on stage says trannies are women therefore trannies are women!
nope, AI is something that's actually intelligent like data from star trek, not a algorithm.
we currently already have data from star trek he's just a really really shit version.
This is the language qualifier issue. Who exactly is a "gamer"? well simply add a qualifier, "casual gamer" and "hardcore gamer" then everyone's a gamer.
What is an AI? Add the qualifier of "shit AI" and "good AI" or whatever terms you like and then it's all under the same umbrella.
What does an accordion have to do with it?
I sincerely doubt that any of the artists complaining about AI are actually employed.
>yes automate those blue collar work....what? Wait no not me wtf
as an artist i genuinely dont give a frick, enjoy your waifu slop
explaon me how is this any different fron asset flip
Just a reminder that if you hate AI at all, you are behind the times and will be left in the dust seething.
>Just a reminder that if you hate tranies at all, you are behind the times and will be left in the dust seething.
Progress is inevitable, sister.
real progress isn't normalizing degenerate fetishes that never should've been released out of the dank crusty basements from mentally ill minds
that's just delusional thinking
That can be said about AI art too
Not really. Besides, I don't yet often see an implementation of AI art yet that I'm interested in: using it as a tool, not just a means to solely produce flashy things with it.
It's probably done already, but the artists that are employing it in such way could be having ego issues, so maybe they don't announce it.
You're just a sad frick who can't make use of a tool and want to drag others down to your level of failure.
you only hold this opinion because you like ai and don't like trannies. you have not thought anything through at all.
>you have not thought anything through at all.
I have thought through things plenty, I just don't care about the things that you do
this is exactly why trannies call you a chud. you were warned about progress.
at the risk of repeating myself; troons are not progress and the only reply that I would want to give to them is a swung bat to the head
on the contrary your chudly ways are not progress, they are regress. see how quickly you resort to violence when confronted by your own reasoning, applied by your enemies. cope and seethe, little man.
You use words as violence and are a hypocrite yourself. You are about inflicting confusion and misery unto people until they can't stand to be alive anymore and go add themselves to the established percentage. I'm sure you're familiar with what I mean.
when will you realize that they are the ones who say YOU use words as violence. I hope for your sake that you're american.
You have zero sense of introspection. You are not the good guy when corporations, lying news media and politicians are on your ''side''
projection, otherwise you would have come to the same conclusion about progress and trannies.
I don't understand
Continue seething homosexual. I'll be laughing as you and the trannies constantly angry about AI are left to rot.
You will be left to rot too when you'll have to pay corporate fees and subscriptions so you can generate your waifus, all of which will be censored according to the whims of the corporate overlords, all in the name of profit of course.
>he's to moronic to figure out local AI use
Lmao.
the one model that is worth half a shit that has ever been publically released, which is also extremely stagnate, grim
>the one model
Thanks for proving you don't know a thing about local AI stuff.
what, are you talking about LLAMA and the various fine tunes? no one is using that garbage, everyone who isnt moronic is running reverse proxy gpt-4 keys and claude keys through local front ends
>I literally don't know anything but I'll pretend I totally do!
Once again, thanks for proving you know Jack and shit about this stuff.
>i never cite examples and just say you're dumb!
very compelling arguments, i promise you i've played with more LLM's than you ever have
>waaaaah how dare you call me out
Keep crying corpo shill.
>continues to never engage or cite the model's hes used
lol, lmao even
go play with your garbage llama fine tune
Still mad at being called out, huh corpo shill? Run back to your masters and suck their dicks some more. Even fricking Google admitted that they can't compete with open source, you and yours will be no different.
>Still mad at being called out
what exactly did you call out
>Y-YOU'VE NEVER USED A REAL LOCAL MODEL!!!!
wow great own there buddy
>Even fricking Google admitted that they can't compete with open source
LMAOOOOO, yea bro google totally fears the open source take over
>LMAOOOOO, yea bro google totally fears the open source take over
>nooooooooooo my corporate masters aren't going to lose to Open Source
Seethe more you corpo wiener sucker.
>still more cope from the LLAMA fine tune moron
you do realize that there isnt a single model worth a shit that wasnt trained by a corporation with millions worth in compute right? if LLAMA never leaked you would still be tard wrangling pyg
>he's still crying
Lmao. Keep on sucking that corporate wiener like the little homosexual you are.
>more epic owns with zero rebuttals
are you using your shitty little local models to generate these terrible response?
Continue seething corporate shill. I'm sure that will totally make you less of a homosexual.
i've been laughing and enjoying mogging you, its actually amazing how you've provided no rebuttal to a single thing ive said
I'm more so surprised you're so fricking mad at being called out for being a corporate shill that knows nothing about local AI that you keep replying like this. Its quite funny how mad you are.
>if i keep saying the same thing again and again itll be true
epic owns today bro! updooted!
>he's still replying
Man you really are seething, huh?
another epic own!! totally seething over here URGGGHH!!!!!! how will i cope with the fact that this guy is using shitty finetunes!!
>he STILL replying
Holy shit anon, you really ARE mad. Here I thought we were just fricking around on Ganker but you've proven me wrong. You're sitting here having a meltdown over this, lmao.
yes brother i am fuming!!! GRRRR ANGRY!!!!! damnit i am owned....
>still replying
Thanks for proving me right, lmao.
>if he keeps responding i win
how do i defeat this megamind master mind genius!?!?! i have been epically trolled and owned
>he is still replying with this seethe
You want to know how to win, anon? By not replying anymore. Simple as that. But you're too angry to think rationally.
yes i am so angry that i cannot stop myself... damn you!!!
>he's STILL going
You wouldn't look as mad if you didn't post in the most reddit way possible.
i've become reddit and im angry and seething! i cannot stop myself, i have been humiliated and destroyed LIVE on Ganker.com
You're not really disproving that you're mad when you post like this, anon.
i am so damn angry grrrrr!!! i will NEVER understand local models and ive been MINDBROKEN!!!!!! im as moronic as your favorite local models now... what will i ever do!?!?
Thanks for proving time and time again you're seething. Anyways, I'm going to actually go play video games now. Enjoy stewing in your own piss and shit like the angry redditor you have shown yourself as.
its so over... im reddit and i lost... the local model guy is now going to play games.... and i will be left seething and enraged....
>the one model that is worth half a shit
Which is?
stable diffusion
>Stable Diffusion
>never released
>he thinks such a thing will be allowed
The genie's out of the bottle, they quite literally CAN'T stop it now even if they tried.
Dude, local models can't compete with the big corpos. The big money doesn't have a reason to invest in it. And any models worth a damn are require more and more expensive hardware. Eventually they're going to require specialized hardware that manufacturers only sell by the truckload to big companies and local shit are going to die out altogether.
Spoken like a true moron that has never actually used it.
nta but i have used most of the local fine tunes, they are OK at very specific shit, but the amount of tard wrangling you need to do is not worth it, better to use your api keys with something like silly
I'll be happy when technology makes trannies not so fricking ugly
>artist looks at my painting
>draws it from memory
>work stolen
Can we jail all artists for stealing past artists work?
no, but we can ban them from Steam.
Thanks, GabeN.
if someone genuinely stole your work they would get flogged online, dumb argument
But what I said is how AI works. It doesn't copy paste art, it follows common patterns. Like how actual living artists learn.
yup. It just gets to the point quicker.
good 99% Artists are leftists parasites and they deserve to suffer. Nothing but evil c**ts that destroyed the west.
AI won’t democratize SHIT.
You’ll see soon enough. Now that this has hit the mainstream, private enterprises are going to develop new and better models that make the current ones look like shit smeared on paper.
And you won’t be able to use them, or you’ll pay corporate-subscription-service fees for the privilege of using a gimped version.
This AI buzz seems like such commie nonsense
>what if we ALL could make games!
Literally will never happen, anons really think it won't be controlled by corpos
Already controlled by corpos.
I doubt they even need to do so considering how resource intensive those tasks are. We just see the first stage of any new service like google or youtube when everything is amazing and free*
people will pirate them, emulate them or reverse engineere them
>people will pirate them, emulate them or reverse engineere them
yea bro people will totally just pirate these massive models which are protected under lock and key by a multibillion dollar corporation
also people will totally have billions in disposable income in order to pay for the amount of compute required to train said models
>also people will totally have billions in disposable income in order to pay for the amount of compute required to train said models
same thing with computers back in the day.
the idea that stuff will never get cheaper is so moronic if you have thousands of years of technology to look back at.
>massive models
You do know that models don't store actual images on them and even the largest of models are only a few hundred GBs in size.
A 10TB external hardrive costs around a hundred bux or so.
What the *frick* does 'democratizing' a [technology] even mean? Are you supposed to vote what the technology does? Like are you standing around a hammer and everyone votes on what you're going ot build with it?
it's just a meaningless buzzword that means "give me what i want or you're an evil heccin fascisterino"
Okay, but how do 'they' use the word? As in, when a technology is democratized, what's the difference between it being not-democratized? Is it that if it's private, that they can't control it?
it literally doesn't matter dude. i'm telling you that in that context the word doesn't mean anything. it's just empty and threatening, the implication is that if you disagree you are anti-democratic and thus a fascist and thus a nazi and thus on the wrong side of history.
so in this case it just means that unless Unity listens to them and joins the anti-AI hysteria they're evil anti-democratic fascist nazis.
Oh.
This isn't some secret forbidden tech, hobbyists and smaller companies can make their own and have open sourced them
>souless asset flip engine
>became even more unhuman
What's a good engine then, anon?
> don't say Godot
your own
>Asset flip engine
I can guarantee he's going to tell you to write your own.
>Democratizing
>rips off hacks
Democracy Good
real democracy have never been tried
democracy is a scam
Good. Artists should get real jobs
if anyone actually watches the demo and is impressed than you are actually fricking moronic, looks like shit
Im happy to witness the death of art, hope the future be like that of deus ex
it's not going to kill art, it's only a tool
>Deus Ex is literally an artistic interpretation of a dystopian future
Reminder that inkcels can't argue against this.
Artists are fricking nazis. stupid gatekeeping morons attempting to stop the progress
/misc/ and /ic/ should be deleted and everyone there banned
Wont happen as long as russian government pays jannys.
Wear the star AIboy
lol at anyone who thinks AI isn't here to stay
adapt or die homosexuals
>yet another thread of aigays saying non-aigays are fighting progress
AIgays are just NFTgays and cryptogays follwing the same old script.
If it is just going to fail then don't worry about it
Nobody fought with NFTgays. It was just laughing
but with AI you want legislation against it
>AIgays are just NFTgays and cryptogays follwing the same old script.
..actually moronic
Hello, sirs
How is something that cant act on its own and requires external input to function going to hurt anyone? we already have shit like authors who essentially write copyright applicable fan fiction at the behest of the rights holder, we already have asset flips, "lazy art" thats "derivative" has always existed, and way before ai we had tracing and just general parasitic behavior in the arts.
You cant blame an ai for mediocrity, its just a reflection.
Muse simply just helps you debug. Sentis helps you work but it already existed before, Unity is just capitalizing on it.
Why do AI images all have that massive halation that gives away that it's AI? Even when they manage to get the lines sharp (which is rare) the colors are still smudged everywhere. Why does this happen?
jews probably
what do you mean "smudged colors"
Just look at the fringes of the hair you blind aiooner
you mean the brush effect, you actual schizo
This one is better tbh
I actually enjoy AIslop myself but you have to be blind to not be able to tell between AI and non-AI art 95% of the time
People just don't bother adding finishing touches with inpaint and ControlNet
I can find flaws in picrel and it was made by some random person.
It's not about flaws as much as the types of flaws. That picture, while kind of ugly imo, is very coherent in its style and has certain fine details (the thin inner-ear hairs of the cat; the regularity of the lantern's spokes; the sharp delineation of the stump from the background vs the less sharp hairs from the background; etc)
Bro, you sound no different than a those "muh traditional art" gays back when Photoshop came out.
>Now the most performant general-purpose engine in the world thanks to DOTS
>The most supported engine in the world
>And now the easiest to use
Feels good to be a Unitychad
>thegamer
>have no discernible talent
>can't program
>can't draw
>can't write
>can't compose
>think you should "make" a game using AI
what the frick is wrong with people now. if the ai is doing everything for you, it's not really your game, now is it? The human spirit is unironically dying off.
>Thoughts?
use archive you stupid fricking hole.
AI is god
>Unity AI Is Democratising The Ability To Rip Game Developers And Artists Off
Lol
>nooooo you cannot, uh... make a game with the game engine
It's immensely funny that the people telling blue collar workers to "learn to code" are the ones actually on the chopping block
>artists
>knowing how to code
nobody said anything like that you moron
>linking to this shitty clickbait site
Frick off.
>Why is it doing this despite consistent backlash from communities about the harms of generative AI?
wow it's almost like people are starting to catch on to all social media "backlash" being completely astroturfed, insincere and not important
I think AI generated content is neat
thats pretty clever, the sameface looks bizarre at best with a bunch of thots, but its perfect for skelebros
I mean it's kinda cool
This one almost passes were it not for the arms of the center skelly, very nice
>we're about to enter a new golden age of gaming... BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE LE HAPPY ABOUT IT BECAUSE.... BECAUSE YOU JUST... LE SHOULDN'T!@!@!@!!!!!!!!!!
Because we will lose monopoly over it*
Is not like they have deep reasons to cry about AI
I don't give a shit about this article, the author's a moron.
What bothers me is how neutered AI models like this will inevitably be. Unless it's open source and can be run locally I don't trust it.
>Unity AI Is Democratising The Ability To Rip Game Developers And Artists Off
you can already learn to code and art
this is a fact
imagine being entitled to the apex of the everest, but never train to do such thing
b-but it's too hard! I need ai to do everything for meee!
>you can already learn to code and art
I don't care about art.
ok
But I thought I would own nothing and be happy?
you're copy pasting your own article, so at least
TLDR it
>everyone can make their own dream games now oh nooooooooo
Anyone crying about this is selfish as frick, plain and simple.
Why would the dream game of somebody utterly devoid of talent or perseverance be worth my time?
It won't. Make your own dream game.
>noooooo you can't insert AI generated code
>you can't put in a heckin auto-completerino
>nooooooo
pathetic and weak
if you made trash before you're gonna make trash with AI as well
Nothing changes
What happened to AIgays propping up shit like the new Hawken and High on Life?
videogame development is already democratized
you can learn to animate, rig, code, write stories, make music, and create art to create videogames
there's been hundreds of one man armies and zero budgets videogames created this way
>B-BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEARN!
frick off then, videogames are not for you
> frick off then, videogames are not for you
Back your own shit up then, homie.
Don't use Havok engine and pretend you wrote that physics.
Don't use prefab animation rigs and act like you articulated that shit.
Don't use Photoshop filters, on your textures and pretend you scripted that shit.
Program your own soundpatches, you didn't play actual instruments. Record to .wav you ProTools using ass homie.
Learn to do everything yourself from scratch using the tools you built by yourself ya' lazy bum.
all of those ar bad comparisons
suck my wiener homie
don't even reply to me again
I just fail to see how using AI is less righteous than buying mass-produced slop off the asset store.
Resorting to "muh human element" when you are dealing with assets that have been copied, iterated and repackaged so many times that any individual contribution to the thing has already been rendered nul.
if you're being "replaced" by AIslop you are a talentless fricking moron and should have given up years ago
if you aren't being replaced and your main argument is "nooo MUH COPYRIGHT" then have a nice day. if you don't want somebody right clicking and saving your NFTs then don't post them on a public space. stupid fricking moron art Black folk
How come AI was good when it looked like it was going to get rid of low payed wagies but now it's literally the devil and needs to be stopped now?
>i-is that software that will make it easier for Indie developers to make their own games and not become a slave of the greedy soulless AAA publishing racket?
>AAAAAA NO HELP ME GOVERNMENTMAN BAN IT BEFORE IT CRASHES EA AND UBISOFT!
Pajeets are the ultimate ideaguys, that's why they go further in corporate environments than Chinese
>Pajeets are the ultimate ideaguys
PAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA
Name one race that overpromises fantastical concepts using surface-level understanding of technology more than the jeets
I love jeets btw they're hilarious
I thought ideaguy meant inventor not babbling moron nevermind
No, an actual inventor/producer/director will have one of those titles, an ideaguy is a guy who just says some random bullshit that he thinks would be cool if someone else made it for him
Being an ideaguy is not a good thing, it's like being a dreamer but worse because you buy into the hype.
Wtf I hate democracy now?
Why do AItards want machines to take over every form of entertainment? Why do they even think a machine can match the creativity and passion a human mind brings?
If I get far better quality, far faster, for free, from an AI creating exactly what I want, why should I care about dealing with a human? What can you offer me?
If you like drawing, you'll continue to draw for your own enjoyment. But that's not what any of you are worried about. You want the money and attention. I wouldn't call that passion or creativity any more than what a workhorse AI could provide.
>I get far better quality, far faster, for free, from an AI creating exactly what I want
Where's your game?
Not too far off apparently.
Conveniently left out the word "If". If AI will create inferior results, why is everybody so scared of it replacing human work?
Because real human beings rightfully fear the endless masses of subhuman scum out there and we live in a world where the elite would gladly sacrifice our lives and replace us those biological drones.
>If I get far better quality, far faster, for free, from an AI creating exactly what I want, why should I care about dealing with a human?
Is what you exactly want a deformed anime girl staring blankly or a building that looks like its melting?
You AI gays keep saying this but still only produce garbled messes. So
Shit, I forgot technology never improves.
Passion and soul, something that machines lack. It's funny that the only artists you tards ever talk about replacing are bottom of the barrel, almost like you know a machine will never match guys like Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Van Gogh, etc. The human mind is a wondrous thing, a machine can never match that, just as we can never match God's mind in our imperfect state.
>It's funny that the only artists you tards ever talk about replacing are bottom of the barrel
Then what are you flipping out about, Leonardo?
And I'm not talking about replacing artists. True artists who actually like creating art on its own merits will always exist. I'm talking about replacing the people who only do it for money and attention.
I'm not flipping out, i'm just sick of you moronic homosexuals talking up your algorithm as if it's the beginning of a golden age where you can push three buttons and get whatever you want. That's not how it works, get off your ass, hone your craft and make some money while you do it, stop pretending your bottom of the barrel bullshit will amount to anything more than a crutch for lazy people to make a quick buck.
>hone your craft
>but don't do anything with this new tool
kinda mixed message here
this new tool that does 90% of the heavy lifting. it's doing the opposite of honing your craft if anything
like photoshop
I really don't see which part of honing a now unecessary step is in any way helpful.
Anon you are coping and you're only going to hurt yourself more the longer you cope like this.
You lot always assume anyone who's accepted AI must not have created anything before, but not everyone is as rigid about it. I draw, I write, I've created mods and VNs, I've also created shitty little games in Unity itself and I've messed around with assets that do damn near all the work for me already.
People were flipping shit over photography and then they flipped shit over digital and photoshop and now they're flipping shit over AI despite the tools we use today making things monumentally easier to create big impressive projects easier than ever before. You need to adapt, don't bury your head in the sand thinking if you dig your heels in it'll all just go away because you spent a long time learning your craft and want people to keep paying for it now matter what. That's not how the world works.
>I get far better quality, far faster, for free, from an AI creating exactly what I want
You morons crumbled whenever anons requested for basic scenario requests and now all you do is stay in your generals whenever you're not spamming boards with these same threads.
I don't even use it right now. I installed it for a bit, thought it was neat, and moved on. I'm just looking forward to where it'll go from here.
Dunno why two of you have now changed misquoted "If I" to just "I" and then argued around that. I'm talking for the future.
>You want the money and attention
AIgays invaded and spammed art platforms along with monetization sites with their crap.
>AIgays invaded and spammed art platforms along with monetization sites with their crap.
so they used platforms to share art to share art?
Artist actually prove they can draw something, and they get called babies if they can't accept criticism. AIgays on the other hand get upset if they get asked to prove they can generate something unique and expect to be immune from criticism.
Single person taking over what was previously the work of a lot of people has been a constant trend with the introduction of technology.
All your entertainment is already produced with the exclusive help of machines and wouldn't exist without them.
I can't even get stable diffusion AI to make a decent image of Dana Scully as a sister of battle in power armor what makes anyone think this shit will be able to make games?
Skill issue. Do you also open photoshop for 5 minutes, make some scribbles without knowing how to use any instruments and layers and then claim that photoshop is useless shit?
I don't use photoshop. I use Microsoft Paint. Some of the most soulful art on this website was made in Microsoft Paint.
>not even paint.net
Yep. Skill issue.
> I can't even get stable diffusion AI to make a decent image of Dana Scully as a sister of battle in power armor what makes anyone think this shit will be able to make games
How much effort have you put into making that happen?
Are you simply typing "2girl, Dana Scully, X-files, SoB, Power Armour", or are you actually training your LoRA to recognize what power armour looks like, how to interpolate the wearer to appear like Gillian Anderson, how long her hair should be, what color the patterns should be.
I mean, if you are lazy, while using a tool that is consodered to be lazy to use, it's understanding that the results will come out lazy as well.
5 minutes with ERP chatbot is enought to covert any AI-hater into AI lover
I often wonder if AI had be used initially to generate code, schematics or something outside the "creative" industry would we have seen this kind of backlash
It was used for that. Coders don't care. The core skill of problem solving isn't replaced.
Not at all. I am an engineer and if I came to work with a TCTO request to change the excitation voltage pathway for a KD relay to stim a prox package with a .020 sec time delay or whatever, NOBODY is going to give a shit if I used AI to come up with this solution.