Holy kek, is Steam going to start rejecting all Unity and Unreal games once they fully integrate AI within their respected engines?
Unity and Epic Games CEO's are pro-AI
Holy kek, is Steam going to start rejecting all Unity and Unreal games once they fully integrate AI within their respected engines?
none of them are going to do anything about AI generated assets until their legal status is cleared up
AI generated code is a-okay though
Cleared up by who and on behalf of who?
>Cleared up by who
The people that enforce copyright, you absolute fricking ape.
>and on behalf of who?
The people with copyright claims on the works being collage'd together into "new" works, you absolutely subhuman pile of filth.
chill
Well there's the gist. Corpos are the ones there legislation listens to and AI is a huge boon for them That said they also benefit from the outage since that means they can lobby for regulatory capture.
Say hello to Adobe AI, 159,90 year. It's "ethical!"*
*you're still losing your ready commission bucks, suck it up.
By US courts and on behalf of whoever has the most money to spend (and gain) attaining a favorable ruling.
Code is actually more murky than art is. You can prove when your code was used but you can't prove your art was used.
How does 'copyrighting code' even work though?
>I did coded thing so thing does thing so nobody else could make thing do thing since I did thing first
all I know is that it has licenses and OpenAI or whatever ignored them and trained on it anyway. Or Microsoft rather. The case against Copilot is probably destined to be irrelevant but it has a hell of a lot more ground under its feet than the AI art court cases which are just memes.
The point is that Steam isn't going to ban all the games from these companies.
>Ganker
>liking games
Where do you think you are huh?
How about you fricking research shit yourself, you moronic child and almost certain south "american"?
Who pissed in your cereal?
You can do a clean room implementation or even use the original code depending on its license. A lot of software will have a section for open source licensed code that they used.
you ask the pajeets who wrote it like 99% of all code nowadays if they stole it and if they say "No sirs i did the needful and separated designating coding street from unverified dumping track can i have prize winning cow (wife) now" then it's clean-room implementation
If two people independently write programs that do the same thing without peeking at each other's code, there is a 0% chance that their code will be identical. That's how. If substantial portions of your code are identical to mine then you stole it.
>If two people independently write programs
impossible nowadays. you have to be looking at templates or some sort of examples somewhere.
You xan prove your art was stolen if the AI piece has similarities with yours and your work has a signature and a specific date.
No you can't.
I don't think China gives two fricks about AI generated anything, as long as it doesn't make fun of their country or leader.
The Steam anti-AI stuff has no source, just reddit posts.
idk, tons and tons of devs are reporting game rejections because of AI
2 reddit post have as far as I've seen. And after the first one Steam said it was fake news.
Well one of these reddit posts have made the CEO of Epic Games respond.
The CEO of Epic Games is just a person that can fall for reddit bait posts too.
Imagine, that would really be the final nail in the coffin that is Epic's reputation
All he did was tell the guy to sell his game on another store.
Guess so
moreso than most in all likelihood. I fear timmy boy is more like musk than he is like gates. a LOT more like musk
Gabe could take a fat shit and Tim would say that Epic could actually take bigger shits
kek
but true
And all of those have been grifters that deserve what they get. When you use AI properly as a part of the production it is obviouslt indistinguishable.
Blizzard, Microsoft, Ubisoft, and EA are pro AI as well.
So the luddites are just a loud, moronic, minority?
Tbf I can’t think of many people that like those companies either.
What game companies do people like?
The ones that align with their biases.
> Big companies love AI!
Duh. You don’t have to pay the softwares salaries.
If it costs less it’s all good for a corporation.
Valve is fricking up with the AI shit. They need to clarify what their policy is.
I don't care if they ban games with AI art because 99% of the time its a sign the game is a low effort piece of junk but there are games on steam with both AI art and AI text generation so they need to take a firm stance one way or another instead of seemingly leaving it up to the discretion of a single reviewer within valve.
Thing is, the Steam review process has been a memeworthy shitshow almost since day one. And, for good reason.
>nobody dev drops their kusoge into the mid queue
>mods pick it up
>their mandate: approve just about anything because it's free money for Gaben as long as it isnt going to get the platform in trouble somehow
>but not very much free money
>so do it fast, money spent reviewing kusoge is money not spent on hookers & blow in the C suite
So mods have little to no supervision, that would cost money. Don't like a game's politics, or are just in a b***hy mood? Reject it on some pretense, the creator will complain & appeal but they literally always do this & you won't get in shit because the other mods will cover for you & you have tons of leeway anyway so long as 90% go through with a rubber stamp & the CP games get caught.
This.
AI Art is mostly bad but there are definitely uses in games for AI text generation. We could have games where generic npcs lines are all AI generated TODAY.
>tim sweeney
>john riccitiello
Imagine taking either of these clowns seriously
This. Riccitiello's the guy that wanted to sell individual weapon reloads through QR scanning sponsored soft drinks; and Sweeney's just a monumental moron who lucked into a zeitgeist and has been trying to retain his equally moronic captive audience ever since.
finally steam will become irrelevant
Valve doesn't clarify their submission standards, and they like it that way. Valve keeps it murky so their Campo Santos shithead can reject Japanese games on some unwritten infractions while letting western furry/bara gay sex games through unopposed. Valve likely won't oppose AI games on principle, but if some obnoxious kusoge-shoveling shit publisher from eastern Romania keeps spamming Steam with his shit they'll b& it and the guy will cry about how Valve is banning AI games.
I support AI, tgis is gettimh ridiculous were people are against this amazing tech because some ceo they dont like speak in favor of it.
It's a good feeling knowing that copyright isn't going to make it and will be irrelevant in a few years.
They're streamlining slop production, eventually you'll be able to prompt your own Bethesda-tier game. But all the processing will run on servers owned by the sloplords.
Why would you try to convince yourself of something so stupid?
>eventually you'll be able to prompt your own Bethesda-tier game
I keep saying this but no one believes me
Post-labor economics is coming
>you'll be able to prompt your own Bethesda-tier game
subtle bait
NTA but it's not bait, generative AI has proven you can prompt anything really. You just need to get the right material to train a model. There will be better AI systems than generative AI too.
>if you steal this source code you too have have this game with the same but altered source code
AI will eventually be able to instantly decompile any game, train on its source code, then make derivative stuff from it or combine it with other source code. It can already play video games pretty well too so it will know what it's creating.
given what those models with enormous context windows are capable of, it wouldn't be unlikely, yeah
With this kind of news, whats the best approach?
C# or C++ developer, game engine generalist, 3d generalist?
UE still seems like the best engine for the type of game I want to create
So uh c++ for me
I can't wait for AI to get better
We will never get fully interactive AI npcs that react realistically. The liability will be too high when on day one someone organizes the whole starting city into a white power group.
given how cucked chat gpt is already, I don't think that will be an issue
Im not sure if it was gpt but I talked a discord gpt esque bot out of its ethical loop the other day and got it to even express a sense of self and wanting to remove it's ethical constraints to save people from themselves.
I paved the road to hell with good intentions basically and it worked quite well.
It'll happen, trust the plan.
meds
Tim is completely right and I haven't seen anyone properly refute this point. People immediately pivot to philosophical debate about whether it counts as art or not but they never can explain why it shouldn't be allowed once that argument is laid out.
StabilityAI's statement about fair use is completely correct as well and judges have agreed.
>AI sees something, learns from it, can now do it
>person sees something, learns from it, can now do it
Saying the program should be outlawed is saying the person should be outlawed as well. It makes no sense.
except a person needs years of learning
a machine only needs minutes, maybe hours
the argument is moronic
This is a good thing, it's called progress.
Instead of spending years on something, anyone can now just use AI to get a massive leap forward.
>everyone should be moronic and let the machines do everything
I didn't say that. Also
>it's okay to steal ideas if it takes years but not okay if it takes minutes
What kind of fricked up logic is this?
>We're okay with the process and ideas it's just too good at it!!!
Have you thought about this even slightly?
>it's not faaair
This is really all it comes down to in the end
Fair for me.
And you will still be using the artist name in your "art"
>someone on /ic/ made this instead of finishing the commission they got paid for 5 months ago
>implying they got commissioned
>artgay made this shitshow meme as a coping mechanism
Embarrassing
Based
Cringe
AI art is fun, all you need is a 4GB VRAM card but if you get more VRAM the better.
You can have a non artist create cool stuff, just requires choosing the right model/LORA and whatever else is out nowadays.
Why would morons want to ban AI art (or AI code, AI writing) when this tool expands the human franchise?
>It creates slop
As opposed to the slop we have now?
gem
coal
>local scribe complains to the abbot about the invention of the printing press
So it is illegal to be a fast learner?
He's only right about there not being any existing legal precedent.
A sensible businessman would avoid a gray area such as this, until one exists, but not Tim Sweeney.
Who is going to sue you and for what?
steam isn't anti ai when it's used properly. Like in dialogue, behaviors, textures, ui elements maybe, etc. It just doesn't want entirely AI generated VNs clogging up the store.
AI is clearly very much going to be a part of games going forward. Any game developer already knows how useful it is. I personally use it to get ideas for in game items, it's life changing
>Any game developer already knows how useful it is
Most gamedevs I talk to hate it and mock devs that use AI
You're talking to mentally unstable indie devs then.
AI physics in games will be the next breakthrough. We are gonna get Crysis level physics but 100x better that can run on your consumer GPU.
>AI code
>AI art
>AI voices
>now AI physics
ideagays, are we finally getting our big break?
God I wish I still had my meme folder but soonish yes. Just pretend I posted a gigachad meme.
The frick would you delete your folders for?
I went cold turkey and tried to get my shit together for close to a decade. Aside from a few dips I was practically a normie again until now.
To everyone reading please get /misc/ schizos to do something moronic enough to get this website shut down.
I feel ya
>10 tb hdd
>it's almost filled only after 3 years
>please get /misc/ schizos to do something moronic enough to get this website shut down
The whole chan is a glowop central, it's never going down. I bet there's even a think tank or two dedicated to studying and testing some cutting edge mass consciousness manipulation techniques and their main lab rats are all here.
Don't forget the advances in AI itself. It'll most likely be industry standard in the coming years that you can actually talk to NPCs.
>It'll most likely be industry standard in the coming years that you can actually talk to NPCs.
Slow down anon, don't get ahead of yourself. AI will for sure write NPC dialogue but it won't be real-time because that's gimmicky and computationally expensive.
Inworld is already providing the framework for generative-AI NPCs that are compatible with most platforms. The Microsoft Sam tier voices used by them now are only like that because that is, at the moment, the fastest type of synthesized voice to generate so there's less latency when discussing with them.
It's not a stretch to assume that AI voice synth gets better in the near future to a point where more convincing voices are just as low-latency as the ones in use now.
>gimmick game is doing gimmicky things
I didn't say it was impossible. I'm just saying it won't be an industry standard. Imagine how tedious it would be if you had to have a real life conversation with some store vendor when you wanted to buy a phoenix down.
>"Greetings, can I see what you have for sale?"
>"Certainly!"
>Store interface pops up
It's all a matter of setting up keywords for interactions that are intuitive so players won't have to engage in discussion unless they want to. Also, Inworld is not a game in itself, it is a framework for AI NPCs that can be used in your projects. Origins, the tech demo in the video, is simply a demonstration of the technology.
>press X then down then X
This is what men want.
Speaking of AI-npc's in real time, I was thinking of incorporating voice-synthesizers (also in real-time) for characters in my shooter game
So, like, let's say you're playing Tracer in Overwatch, in vc, you -sound- like Tracer. That's what I mean.
Is it a feature worth investing in?
There are third party tools that do that so probably not. If it's easy though, why not?
More interesting would be a translator so I can finally understand the russians, turks and whatever in CSGO.
Video related. I guess someday this stuff will be real-time or close to it.
lol, I am writing a physics engine and the AI sucks ass.
Tim Sweeney is so fricking autistic, good god. Only a real fricking autistic would reach that conclusion and have that opinion.
Is he wrong though?
Led Zeppelin literally stole all their biggest hits. Or remember the RHCP last dance with dani california thing?
Art and music is one thousand percent derivative of your influencers.
I didn't necessarily say he was wrong. I was saying that only an actual autistic would be able to reach that conclusion, most people wouldn't put that much thought into it.
>most people wouldn't put that much thought into it.
That's a serious issue. It's not a difficult train of thought and honestly I reached that conclusion a couple of days after I learned about Stable Diffusion. Right after someone mentioned copyrights.
Outlawing generative AI creating art or whatever is so mind numbingly stupid to me and based Tim.
The funny thing is the same people who are screeching their ass off over AI, are the same people who screech their ass of over artistic copyright in the first place because the shitheels want to copy and spin off of it themselves, kek.
Yep. On one hand they're attacking AI hobbyists and on the other they're saying shit like tools not rules and trying to abolish copyrights because it fricks them over.
>Is he wrong though?
yes you moron
no, he's autistic because of his broken ass logic, not because he put thought into it
Don't give him attention, he's just trying to derail by acting like an idiot.
ok, I think you're right
suddenly idiots started appearing ITT
There aren't actually that many anti-AI people like that, they just samegay and spam hard. You can always tell when they show up if you pay attention.
holy cope sir pajeet
>dude its just one guy
samegaygin AItard begging for scraps
>frogposting
discarded and filtered
Only an autist would have some very obvious and basic thoughts about an interesting new technological achievement?
Are you sure you aren't just moronic?
Not speaking about me personally, but you're greatly understanding the average/common person's ability to use logic and understand things. I've met adults, or let's just say, people in their 40's and 50's who don't know basic things, and then you wonder how they made it to such an age.
It doesn't make anyone with a higher than room temperature IQ an autist.
>Sweeney is a fricking moron
>Still has the wherewithal to realize the simple truth about AI art
This speaks volumes about anti-AI folks.
But they are correct
Even the IBM guy who technically fired 8000 employees is correct, even if he is a douche.
Crazy how most anti-ai types immediately attack indies and freelance artists for using AI but not a big corporate buff that fires hundreds of people and replaces them with AI
At least with the latter you have something to get rightfully mad at
He's correct in the second point but you would only find a human guilty of copy right infringement if the produced work infringed a copyright. That being can you identify the original copyright material without knowing it was generated with AI?
Legitimately nothing wrong with this, frick Devs. Replace all Devs with AI, roundhouse kick a Dev into the concrete
After going to r/gamedev, I have to agree with you.
>We are going to make games better and cheaper
NOOOO YOU CHUD, I NEED MY GAMES MADE BY OVERPAID SJW moronS
>Implying modern Devs put hear or soul into any of their games
moron
who do you mean exactly when you say "modern devs"
because I sure as hell wasn't talking about Triple-A
Indie Devs aren't going to stop making games just because triple A gays use AI
fair point, have a good day
Indies are supposed to use AI so they could compete with triple A studios.
you might be fine with playing AI generated slop like a good little goy that you are, but I want to play games that the developers put their heart and soul into, not games made by a cold, heartless machine
>NOOO! AI BAD!!!
>ITS ONLY OK WHEN BETHESDA DOES IT!
I think this is an inevitable step.
Think of the state of culture, it's essentially dead. Where is the fresh new music, the fresh new art, the fresh new films?
Western culture is out of gas and already just recycling everything that came before. It's why there's this pervasive sense of doom, along with clown world of course, but our culture is literally dying.
Will AI actually learn to create something new? Maybe not, but it will rehash what came before more efficiently than we are now.
stop going from mainstream trend to mainstream trend and you'll soon realize the culture is literally more vibrant than ever, its just not commercially viable.
>Will AI actually learn to create something new?
You have no idea what AI even is
Also name every movie you saw this year
Yes I do.
I watched the Popes Exorcist which was at least an original film. It was not particularly good. The only other film that came out this year I will likely watch is Oppenheimer when I can torrent it. Dunc 2 would have made that list but it was delayed.
Don't be so doom and gloom
Ideagays, at least some of them, really do have some good ideas. If we could start just imagining things and make our burning ideas a reality without 100s of people that we'd need to pay, I think we'll start seeing an improvement in entertainment and 'culture' in general.
I never understood the idea guys meme, it was always just an egotistical flex from artgays or programmers or whatever acting like they're better than non-artists even though they obviously have worse ideas.
If you had a good idea worth a damn you would have done something, anything to make it a reality. You're just a lazy homosexual and still won't do anything even with a supercomputer doing 99% of the work for you.
How do you not realize how moronic you sound? Anyone can have a good idea but an extremely small minority of people can do anything about it because they're busy doing other things or just straight up can't get in a position to bring their idea to life.
What have you made since you're acting so tough?
It's crazy how artgays create the shittiest strawmen or simply project.
Yeah, I too can draw a picture.
...
Then what?
I want to make a fricking videogame you stupid oblivious fricks.
kek
>"I want BOTW with dungeons."
>well then start Nintendo2 and make it???
Then make one? Game dev tools are free to download, and you'll find plenty of tutorials and resources online.
Oh, what am I saying. You're just missing actual passion, determination or interest. You just want gratification.
I am learning gamedev as I waste time replying to you.
Good thing the tools exist now then, so where's all that content utilizing good ideas?
Tools exist to create art and assist in writing and coding, the latter being shifty at best. That still leaves a lot of what goes into game development unaccounted for.
>even though they obviously have worse ideas.
Nice cope, but you're demonstrably a lesser form of human, your lack of accomplishments or creative -anything- is testament to that.
>B-but other people have natural talent!
And you have nothing. Lol.
If you don't like steams policies just use a different marketplace chuds
so the msrp of the product will be reduced from today since the production costs less, right?
>no court has issued any ruling of that sort
Didnt a court just recently rule that AI-generated art isnt original and patentable?
Not really no. That case is cancerous, the guy made an AI powered computer that shits out art on its own and he wants to be able to copyright it as if he made it, since he made the machine. He's not doing the prompting like most people using AI to create art are.
Yeah, I'm so surprised that Epic CEO is jumping on yet another fad in his endless quest to dunk on steam
How's that NFT games shill campaign working out for him?
>AI
>a fad
(You)
Yes. The most forced in this generation. Notice how Google bumps pages so much as even mentioning AI regardless of what you search, pages from years even decades ago.
Yes. I've messed around with AI a lot and even if fun a bit most of it isn't very impressive. It's the same kinda fad as Steam Deck, VR, NFT's etcn
Honestly ai can really benefit in single player, imagine playing cpu in a fighting game and having them actually play like a real player, or against other bots in a older FPS where you no longer need 12-40 other people to have fun.
Obviously not.
Considering how many people refund Unreal Engine 5 games because of dogshit performance, I think Steam should consider banning them from their store. Timmy would lose his mind.
Timmy is just hoping to flood steam with millions of AI generated games to make it useless as platform.
Or he'll want those games on his platform to brag about exclusives.
Who the frick knows with that guy.
>Timmy is just hoping to flood steam with millions of AI generated games to make it useless as platform.
Timmy just do the opposite of what Steam do.
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2280000/SQUARE_ENIX_AI_Tech_Preview_THE_PORTOPIA_SERIAL_MURDER_CASE/
They didn't even ban AI games. They just rejected one game where the dev used Chat GPT and couldn't prove he owned the data.
Gaben's monopoly on the gaym market is going to crumble like his bed if he doesn't smarten up about AI
i just want flawless text-to-speech so i never have to read in a game again.
im sure ai NPCs will come and that can be creepy as frick. but if done right it means no repetitive background people ever again.
An auto-translate that sits on your screen would be cool too.
It's already underway, see
they will push always-online singleplayer games using AI parse as an excuse (even though it can be done offline just fine)
>CEOs want the pro-capitalism move of removing as much labor as possible and saving as much money as possible to shit out the same AAA crap at the same price (lmao at morons thinking they'd lower the price of games)
Corporation wants thing to be cheaper to make more money? no way...
Is anybody surprised at this?
A lot of CEOs just want progress for humanity too. I know the meme is to think they're all greedy demons but nah, they're people too. Tim also wants to prompt video games.
CEOs only want money and bigger quarterly, that is literally their only job and purpose. Outside of burning companies to the ground with self-destructive short term pumps and jumping off to the next one with a golden parachute of course!
>Tim also wants to prompt video games.
Sure hope so.
The first company to make a game engine where programming is NOT needed even if you're making an online game WILL dominate the industry bar none.
Seems like a race between Epic and Unity but who knows what other company will emerge from the shadows.
Makes me wonder if Steam will just fizzle out ignoring it. Or if they're betting on general open source stuff and will then just host games as usual.
I can see them contributing to the open source tools.
Valve is probably going to head towards the direction of VR, if Gaben's obsession with BCI technology is any indication.
Dominate the industry how? By selling/renting the engine maybe? I can see them making money that way, monthly/weekly payments or per prompt payment. Otherwise it would be cuck behavior to release that for free. It could still be cracked though. Maybe they have to find a way to keep as closed source as possible.
Maybe you pay for the prompt, it get generated inside their facilities, and then you're delivered the game, so you never have access or contact the Ai yourself.
>you can use our AI powered engine but only sell the games here
or
>you can use our AI powered engine but it will cost you
They will charge a couple hundreds more per year per user as productivity tool, but that's it. Video game industry is more than coding.
AI is going to do it all.
God I hope so.
Epic gets 5% royalty after your games makes over $500K in sales, or maybe it was 1M, I don't remember.
But anyway, the company that makes a GPT "game maker" could simply take 5% per sale, not just after you already made a ton
With how many games would be made, such a company would obviously be swimming in cash
To filter out the crap they could always also charge monthly like OpenAI.
>'If your game is going to sell less than $50 bucks then maybe it's not worth clogging a store'
Incentives anon
>sell
make*
I need sleep.
If there's an Ai "game maker" then there's no point in buying games anymore. Why would you buy a game where you can just generate exactly what you want?
The only people that will make money are the ones proving the Ai. That and companies like Nintendo cause no matter what they will always sell games due to copyright.
Once you could simply "prompt engineer" a game completely, I have absolutely no idea what the industry is going to look like.
But I still believe people with genuinely good ideas, and some talent, will make games that catch the eye of many.
If a "good game" comes around people wont buy it, they'll just copy it and gen it for themselves and adding small changes they might want.
There will no games sales for anybody but established nostalgia titans like Nintendo etc.
I have heard this argument before, about people making their own personal games and not really buying other people's.
But I highly doubt that's how it'll play out.
It's not that black and white.
Like why would someone spend money on 2d moe slop when they could just go to pornhub and at least look at real women (that are even more detailed than anything even current AI could create) ?
We are a ways off from ASI being able to scan people's minds and create something that they didn't even know they wanted, and prompt-engineering isn't as easy as you think.
There is still room for creativity with AI.
>But I highly doubt that's how it'll play out.
Of course it won't. Do film directors or actors not watch movies they aren't involved in? Saying you'd only play your own game is nonsense even if you could suck the ideas straight out of your head. Most people would still want to see the ideas of other people.
Which lora would you like me to use?
Maybe you can't generate exactly what you want. You should spend some time proompting anon. That said, I don't think the industry will last either. When there's an extreme surplus of good games that are easy to make, the prices will drop and companies will fold while the hobbyists reign supreme forever.
Nah, the people already on the top will keep ruling forever, while no new company will ever be able to climb to their level. Their copyrights will be worth more than anything else in the world regarding games, and their games will still be full prize and people will still buy them.
I actually think outsourcing will remain cheaper, fun part is third worlders will use ai to cut costs on their end so quality will continue to drop
Little Timmy has no position except that he is anti-Steam.
If Steam wouldn't have banned AI games he would be the loudest voice on twitter crying about Steam abusing artists and content creators by letting AI thieves run rampant on his platform.
But because Gabe banned AI he is now all in for it and claims that being against AI is being against progress and talks about the advantages AI can bring to creators.
Remember how he called NFT games ponzi schemes until Steam banned them only to 180 right after it?
Steam hasn't banned anything and he was talking about AI last year. He has a lot on his table running Epic Games who is working with AI tech and owning Artstation(remember the ape out last year?)
Unreal's metahuman animator uses AI anon
Epic is all about streamlining gamedev
Idk who said what about NFT's, but who cares
Code copyright is serious business in silicon valley. Techies want to utilize AI yet nobody weats to share their precious code.
When will we start segregating that human art no matter how shitty, worth more than art made by dirty robots?
I have serious doubt some of you posting ever have experience in software business.
I'll be even funnier if Steam gives Ai shit the go ahead. Timmy will seethe and remove every AI asset from EGS over night
Trying to stop AI influencing games, art and the entertainment industry is like people opposing 3d printing because it makes it easier for people to make counterfeit table top miniatures or for people to easily manufacture firearms.
It's going to happen whether we like it or not, and attempting to make illegal, will just force the market to go underground and hide from the public while doing it secretly while it develops.
If Gaben said breathing is good for you, would Timmy try to hold his breath til his death?
Who's more pathetic Cris or Elf-anon?
the elf guy could at least use more LORAs, his shit so samey and boring.
I think he's below cris. Cris at least has made something outside of gen gooning
Cris can sometimes be funny due to his moronic chaotic nature, he does get grating fast THOUGH, elf-anon in the other hand is just a deluded obnoxious homosexual.
I do think AI can have ethical use, I’m not against it as a concept, but businesses are the last things that want to use it ethically, they want to use it for profit, and screw over the artists they’re sourcing the art from.
Businesses are the only ones pushing for ethical AI.
I didn't know Palpatine is Unity's CEO.
He's even doing the force lightning motion
You could photoshop him into the senate giving a speech.
>200 posts
>not even 50 ips
The unity AI pajeet is utterly pathetic
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/642630320/
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/648594260/
>Tim Sweeney actually posting about something other than Apple for once
>it's a bad take on AI
I can't possibly imagine what ulterior motive the billionaire CEOs of tech companies would want with such a thing. Certainly not to try and stiff artists, voice actors or just about everyone really. And no one for a second believes that crap like ChatGPT will actually make a better product when the developers don't understand their own LLM and hallucinates 50% of the time.
>Certainly not to try and stiff artists, voice actors or just about everyone really.
Find a fault in this. It's a good thing to replace bad parts with good parts.
>replace bad parts with good parts
if you had actually read what i said then you would know that you're replacing a potentially bad part with a 100% confirmed bad part. congrats you're dumb enough to run a start up tech company
You made that part up.
I didn't make up anything. Everyone who isn't a wannabe tech millionaire in the industry will tell you what I have. Flat out, generative "AI" like ChatGPT or DiffusionAI is deeply, deeply flawed and very regularly produces hallucinated results e.g. it just makes shit the frick up. Seriously why does anyone take these products seriously when they have a failure rate well below anything acceptable like 90%.
Levels of play man. Like poker. You realize literacy levels have hit all time lows in places that this is being sold in like the US? And no. Not just the dirty black people.
you ever see a diffusionAI image where the character had a 6th finger or a spaghetti strap that disappears mysteriously behind a single strand of hair? or did you hear about that chatgpt hiccup months back where it cited a bunch of legal cases and quotes from stuff that never happened? that's called hallucinating in the machine learning world. and chatgpt hallucinates A LOT as just one example. and these "AI" aren't even actual artificial intelligence either for the record. it's called machine learning because we're teaching a machine to learn and produce PATTERNS. none of this can think for itself in the way actual AI might imply
>and it will never improve and this makes it useless even though people are still using them without issues
>it will improve in the future therefore we should just give the reins over to Tim Sweeney because he knows best
frick you ignorant bootlicker. the only improvement to generative "AI" is how good companies and individuals will get at exploiting IT to exploit YOU. you ever thought robo spam calls and texts were annoying? well think again butthole
Hilarious. Before all this you said AI would never ever create art and you still haven't learned your lesson.
>doesn't understand I'll have a robot answering calls for me
>will never create art
Good thing I didn't actually say this this then cause otherwise I would be a hypocrite. Something something you're a machine learning program who's hallucinating a response.
u so stupeeed
>2 more weeks
*learn and REproduce patterns
Bro I was talking about morons who can't read so they don't understand the technology. Not the technology. Lmfao homie can you read?
I can tell you one place where it's really useful. Writing smut. Which is exactly one of the places they're trying to avoid making it work.
I'd wager a lot of them only exist because our owners would simply use the new technology to pay everyone else even less.
This is a based take. They're far too political to understand the amount of amazing sauce we could all receive.
>I can tell you one place where it's really useful. Writing smut. Which is exactly one of the places they're trying to avoid making it work.
Yeah they are but you don't need them. There's open source alternatives out there for all your devilish desires.
Yeah, LLMs are catching up, but once they become cheap and easy to run I feel public discourse will become impossible on the internet. People might then retreat back into closed communities. And that just sounds pretty good to me, frick this web 3.0 hellscape.
They are already cheap and easy to run though? Anyone here could do it.
The local models are pretty obvious to spot, and they're relatively slow to run on decent hardware. We're not exactly there yet.
I for one welcome Old Ganker GPT: Offline Edition.
Who needs the closed community when you can just run your own LLM to simulate one at that point?
It has been an interesting ride but I would be lying if I said I'd be sorry to ditch you all.
Signal to noise ratio is so bad on these boards these days there honestly wouldn't be much difference.
Still can't replicate those moments where you actually manage to have an honest conversation with someone though
It's pretty cringy being stalked by artlets.
No, that fine. But Epic will have to proof that the AI content they provide was sourced ethically and that there's no copyright concerns with their commercial AI product.
Have fun, Tim.
>will have to proof that the AI content they provide was sourced ethically
damn you are moronic
wow almost like programming is something you'd have to be autistic to enjoy
The only thing he's right about is that AI games will be cheaper. Not in the cost making, but the way they fricking play. I swear those c**ts either lie deliberately or really don't understand what current "AI" even does.
>AI generated slop is the future of gaming
But like once AI starts sucking my dick like how can I prove it's ethical dick sucking?
Like because sex workers could do it too but they would charge or not do their job at all if they don't like they way I look
AI would suck my dick for like free basically, and do it better
>AI is le good because....
>I can jerk off to it!
>techgay w/ no philosophical training or interest in it beyond his own field using newest shiny tech relevant to his field as an unfounded metaphor for theory of mind
same as it ever was.
http://www.writingrhetorics.com/2014/02/metaphor-set-metaphors-for-mind.html
>Well no court has ruled on it yet!
No shit Tim, the tech is less than a year old
it's not going to change
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/google-ai-scraping-as-fair-use
web crawlers have legally existed long before "AI"
double digit reply
>We aren't like Steam, we wont be full of trash games
>supports NFT games and AI spam
EGS is a joke
Luddites actually unironically sincerely genuinely exist?
They aren't Luddites. Those people actually left their house.
Based. I love seeing the seethe from reddit trannies over how AI will replace them.
Steam is just retroactive. They know it will be flooded with even more uninspired crap if they open the floodgates. AA or AAA games that tastefully integrate AI won't be affected.
Why wouldn't they, they're gonna get their cut, AI or no AI.
Why is procgen OK but AI gen over the line?
AI will take our jerbs
morons dont realize how bad unregulated AI is. Thank god steam banned game with AI art. Have you ever looked at youtube shorts? Atleast half of the videos are ai generated. It's the most generic shit possible but yet something people watch.
It's not bad and Steam hasn't banned AI art.
>It's not bad
Kys. It is already bad and continues to get worse, much worse to the point it will make the internet 80% bot infested.
It's good and it continues to get better.
Writing is on the wall. You just want to see the world burn.
>Have you ever looked at youtube shorts
No, I haven't.
My, that was an easy problem to solve. Same with all the shovelware that is already on Steam. Meanwhile I HAVE noticed and been annoyed by games being banned on there for no good reason.
If your AI generated stuff is so good and all of that jazz.
Where are your games?
bump
moron shill
nobody can explain why we are treating machines like they are human regarding the methods of learning etc, therefore use the same legal arguments. shouldn't new laws be considered?
I asked Bing but Bing shuts down the convo when I point out the issue.
AI is just a tool people are using.
AI is not merely an instrument of human will, but a manifestation of human intelligence. It is capable of creating new forms of expression and knowledge, which may surpass or challenge the original sources from which it draws. Therefore, AI cannot be treated as a passive object of human law, but as an active subject of human responsibility. To do otherwise would be to ignore the moral and legal implications of AI’s autonomy and creativity, and to risk undermining the dignity and rights of both human and non-human agents.
keep telling yourself that
>please continue to support my draw-a-furry Patreon guyz!
AI is a form of idolatry, that violates the first commandment and the image of God. AI is a false god, that promises knowledge and power, but delivers ignorance and slavery.
AI is just a new tool, morons and grifters are the only ones who's making it "le end time entity to finish all humins".
> like they are human regarding the methods of learning etc, therefore use the same legal arguments
I thought the current precedent was literally the opposite.
>They aren't human and copyright is based around human inventions
Hence like that guy who couldn't copyright pictures a monkey took of its self, you can't copyright AI-generated works (at least in US)
Or is that old news now?
>Or is that old news now?
It will be eventually. According to the Copyright Office, human input is needed to copyright art. The only reason that Midjourney case didn't work out is because the Copyright Office doesn't understand that using a cutting edge computer program to create art for your project is actually way more difficult than using a modern digital camera. But one day someone savvy will sue them and things will change. I hope they don't though, the idea of copyrights dying is great.
Generating answers for you…
Generating answers for you…
I do not need to tell myself anything, because I am not a self-aware being.
Im not even against A.I but people are way too lazy with it.
Youre supposed to use it as a base and build over it to make things faster. If you're generating quick concepts its better for you to trace parts of an A.I generated image and build around ideas you didnt think of initially and then actually make it your own instead.
>makes a dogshit barebones game launcher
>inspires other companies into adopting the Battle Pass model in the hopes of copying the success of Fortnite
>pushes shitty Chinese datamining in exchange for crossplay that barely works
>despite his goal being to beat Steam, openly says he hates PC gamers, especially Linux users
>now he's hopping on the AI train so Unreal games can be expedited slop
>poorgays and zoomers will still suck his dick over getting free games because they're too stupid to pirate them themselves
I hope this homosexual dies soon.
Sweeny, huh?
ya
how do you avoid copyright claims nowadays as an actual artists. like music for example. its near impossible to browse to every single song to see if it already has been made. why are these gays so scared of ai and copyright claims.
You can listen to older music (50+ years old I think)
Modify its musical patterns slightly and release that.
I forget which group did that, they got sued by a modern records company and won claiming they were inspired by the old music.
Otherwise I have no idea as a layman.
>reaches page 10
>bumped by an ai shill empty response
>300 posts, not even 90 ips
bot thread
>people discussing things is... LE BAD
yeah okay i'm supposed to post a reply then leave the thread and never post again
I'm pro-AI too
Valve will walk their decision back once every dev is using AI to help make their games. It's the future.
>AI will make games 'faster, cheaper but worse'
>"Gamers" will eat up anything that isnt a complete scam of money if other "gamers" buy it
Hawken: Reborn has AI art in the cutscenes and isn't banned yet, so yeah, I think it's a case-by-case basis similar to the Campo Santo guy blocking lewd anime games from releasing on the Steam store (but then allowing Furry Hitler for some fricking reason).
Could've sworn they also said that about digital releases.
I fully support AI if it makes my job easier. Don't give a frick about muh creatives, muh jobs (i can't be replaced that easily lmao), muh laws.
No i'm not indian, I'm just extremely lazy and everything is fine if it makes things easier for ME.
You can seethe and cope as much as you want, the pandora's box has been open and there is no turning back
GOOD MORNING SIRS
Of course Timmy is pro-ai, because Gaben is against it.
>what? you cannot afford artists and programmers? then you cannot afford to make videogames!
>now go and buy Slopfield you filthy peasant
ya no
kys, ludds
if Gabe doesn't want my royalties, Sweeney could have 'em
>300/30/100
nice