reminder >On September 6, 2023, John Riccitiello, President and CEO of Unity Software Inc (NYSE:U), sold 2,000 shares of the company, 50,000 shares within this year. >Several others on Unity's board of directors also sold shares in the past few weeks, including president of growth Tomer Bar-Zeev who sold 37.5k shares on 1st September, for around $1.4m. Shlomo Dovrat, meanwhile, sold 68k shares on 30th August for around $2.5m. >in·sid·er trad·ing (/inˌsīdər ˈtrādiNG/) noun >"the illegal practice of trading on the stock exchange to one's own advantage through having access to confidential information."
Unless congress passed a law, which they didnt, congress doesnt fricking rule on anything. Of course CEO's are liable for insider trading. Whether or not the SEC decides to take action is a different matter.
That is how it works. Congress does not create legal precedent, SCOTUS does. Like the other anon said, unless Congress signed in a new law, they have no authority to declare that CEO's can't be charged with insider trading.
except it does if they don't do it by the book and the SEC loves high profile cases
but in this case here they sold their own shares according to the regulations, idk why anons are saying this is illegal
>everything is somehow the israelites even when it's an American CEO selling 0.5% of his shares legally under SEC rules that have been in place for decades
>Shlomo is not israeli >Americans can't be israelites >SEC is not headed by a israelite >SEC members haven't been writing op-eds about how the SEC is over-regulated >selling a small amount of your total shares means it's not insider trading >selling shares through legal exchanges means it's not insider trading >SEC rules are somehow more valid/authoritative/ethical if they've "been in place for decades" >CEOs selling millions of dollars worth of shares before an announcement about a complete overhaul of the pricing model raises no eyebrows >questioning any of this anti-semitism
Found the israelite
But just for shits, please tell us how many shares they each own, since you feel so called to defend this as a minute portion of their totals
>jews buy unity last year >literally holocaust the entire gaming market >if this is allowed to happen, nothing stops them from repeating this with every other engine that gets popular
doesn't matter. The fact they brought this up at all means you don't even "own" what you develop and are always at risk. Make your own engines or use something open-source. It's the only way to future-proof yourselves from rampant judaism.
they would've had to have done that years ago for this to really work. genshin impact and other mobile giants are probably developed on some offshoot of unity from 2016. bringing in ironforge now won't help them add spyware to those games.
the thing ironforge malware guys CAN do is try to frick around with the ad services and do data analysis, which is what i figured they would be doing
Even if they backtracked completely, you'd have to be fricking moronic to ever want to use Unity again in any capacity. The engine is dead in the water.
Correct. Any semblance of trust is gone. They've shown they're willing to rugpull you at a moment's notice.
Every dev with the capability to do so will switch engines and nobody on earth is going to choose to start their new project in Unity.
If they go under they will be bought by China and will get merged under Unity China. Mihoyo which is a major shareholders will win and control gacha games
not completely free but yeah
if you're a 3D developer you're moving to Unreal
godot looks like a good option until you actually start using it, it's just not properly 3D-ready for a lot of different projects
2D it's all godot and gamemaker
A game with a low monetisation model is showing that they'd owe more than 100% of their revenue.
Which just mean they're forced to switch to a high monetisation model and squeeze kids for every penny they're worth.
>we are not going to count web and streaming games toward your install count
Unity games bought on Steam but running in an embedded Chrome window
It shouldn't be too difficult to change your Unity game from native executable to a web app, right? So this seems like the obvious solution for anyone that already has a catalog of Unity-based games that they'd rather not get retroactively fricked on
God knows whether they'd still count old pre-web versions of the game being installed such as GOG releases. Probably will considering they're massive c**ts.
>we will work directly with you on cases where fraud or botnets are suspected of malicious intent
Why even open this can of worms though? What purpose is there for charging a fee for a moronic metric like installs rather than sales?
Also what happens if I download an offline installer from GOG, transfer it to a PC without an internet connection, and install it there? How can they even know?
pretty sure someone would go after something like fate grand order or pokemon go instead using emulators. really take the console wars to the next level.
>Why didn't unity just go with a percentage cut? Why all this fricking weasel word trash?
because mobile.
like 95% of mobile games are made with unity. and while mobile games are very profitable. unity cant directly go after in app purchases. so they do installs.
you have to keep in mind most people that play mobile games never spend a penny on them. its a very small population that actually spends money on mobile games but when they do its a lot.
they went for installs because people often download apps used them for a bit then remove them only to reinstall them later.
this way they get a cut of the mobile market regardless of weather people make in app purchases or not.
I't's funny really. Mobile games used to be the lowest of brow in gaming because it was created with minimal effort and support compared to console and PC games but now that it has gotten popular with the last 5-10 years things have gotten worse for the market again.
why the frick did they do it? kill unity on purpose for some reason? hope game devs that are almost finished with a upcoming game don't switch engines just at the end and this is some way to squeeze a lot of money quickly (might do this if they see the writing on the wall for unity or something and think its dead already, this is then a way to squeeze money quickly before death)
My homie, they simple decided they can steal peoples money out of fricking nowhere, no court will rule in their favor if companies like Miho just tell them to frick off, speacially in China.
Correct me if I wrong but they still haven't clarified who foots the bill when those games go free with ps+ or gamepass.
Sony just raised the ps+ price to keep shareholders happy I can't imagine they'll go along with this.
Exactly. I'd love to see what percentage of users who've actually published or sold games will be affected.
Not to mention the most glaring problem for me being the completely obscure way that they detect authentic vs malicious installs. An earlier tweet literally boiled down to "trust us bro"
if you use some sort of network tracking software, you would see that every unity game reaches out to the company when you start it. there's an opt out somewhere but presumably not for first run
Yeah and how are they even going to track old games that can be downloaded in gog? They gonna force developers and publishers to update their old games just so they could add trackers?
>Due to your continued refusal to update your pre-2017 titles with the latest version of Unity Tracker™, we are unfortunately forced to estimate the number of installs made by your users as per our recently updated licensing terms >If you believe our estimates to be incorrect, then please contact us immediately so that we can help you gather more accurate data as soon as possible. >Due date is at the end of the month. Should payment not occur, we will be forced to pursue further legal options.
Absolute morons destroyed their engine, you need to be a special type of moron to use an engine where the company can just steal your money, aka charge fee, for each game instalation of your game.
Thats so stupid it reaches the point of absurdity.
It was about time. Never have I seen such a shitty product be so widely defended. Whenever you have an issue with a game and you point out that the engine was Unity some homosexual who has been paying to learn to be a gamedev in a south american university for six months jumps out of a bush and starts yapping about how "the engine is not the issue, but the developer, Unity is fine, I use Unity everyday bro". Ridiculous.
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So how does this net them more money again? They threw their credibility out the window so even if they backtrack on everything hardly anyone is going to risk working with the engine now since they know Unity will just rob them at the blink of an eye. There's a right way and a wrong way of doing this and Unity just went full fricking moronic.
>So how does this net them more money again?
It doesn't. Companies do not learn that greed tanks their company. like others, Unity think they are too big to fail and think people will just say "oh okay here's our hard earned money" then continue using their engine, while everything is getting expensive and people are tightening their belts.
>muh capitalism
They want to charge people based on copyright rules, Black person, most people will not use the engine and those who already use can tell them to frick off because no juristiction will rule in favor of unity, unless its japan.
people are still pissed
everything is anti consumer, nothing is win win
just israelites bleeding everyone until the calcium in their bones turn to dust
I have seen literally nobody thinking the "pull-back" is a good move or praising their decision. Indie trannies are on high alert for their own shekles, this isn't a fricking xbox used game scenario
There is so many good games made in unity. Especially in niche genres. Or upcoming one like Sea Power, Nebulous Fleet Commander. How the frick is this even legal? >make game for 5 years >now everything is fricked
Reninder that they originally said that developers would be charged for re-installs because they only had access to "aggregate data" and could not distinguish individual installs. Now they're saying they can. How can anyone trust these lying israelites who will obviously say whatever's convenient in the moment?
nobody is trusting them, I think devs are just thinking how are they going to deal with this flaming pile of shit now
if you have a big studio with people that have trained to use unity with workflows in it and basically no knowledge of other engines, not really sure its feasible to change engines if its late into development
and supposedly something like Unreal you need actual coding knowledge that you don't in Unity? havent' used either one so dont know
Obliterating customer trust is not a win and will not get them praise. Corporations are not as mindless as the consumer piggies that play AAA games, this isn't going to go over like a balance patch.
so basically all the garbage loser indie shit that don't sell for shit won't be affect. Not that anybody cared about them in the first place.
Only successful high selling games are affected.
Ok so it's nothing we didn't already know. Entire new statement is fricking nothing.
If you make a 2D game and you need to use an enterprise scale engine, you deserve this. If you're too fricking moronic to make 2d images move across the screen on an X and Y axis that you need to use a bloated engine to do it, kys
You know the higher up are so high on their own supply they legitimately went "what are they gonna do? Go to our competitors"? Like Netflix and Microsoft did in the past
Then maybe they should implement a license fee like a reasonable company instead of their inane "Every time someone installs a game you owe us 15 cents. No we can't differentiate installs so reinstalls count. If you think someone is trying to cost you money by maliciously reinstalling you can tell us and we'll check on it somehow, even though we can't differentiate installs. ... Okay because you got mad we can now differentiate installs even though we said we couldn't yesterday" bullshit.
This is why CEOs are paid so well. They announce bullshit people hate and then roll it back a little and everyone would lap it up like the idiots they are.
It's pretty disingenuous that they still focus on the specifics of the new fees when they real problem is that they're going back on saying they won't introduce retrospective changes to their terms of service in the first place.
None of what they say now matters if they can just change it again in future. Sure, maybe only 10% of developers will be hit with the new fee, but how many will be affected by the next one? Why stick with Unity if you can't trust them to screw you over next? You can't plan your finances years in advance if they can totally change the fee structure with only a few months notice.
>"we will work directly with you"
That just means you will be redirected to a third party compliance team that has been instructed to do everything they can to maxime how much money they get out of you. 80% chance of everybody in that team having indian names.
They're backpedalling somewhat from this particular change, but the damage is done. When your game is built around an engine licensed from a third party, you need to have either a very high degree of trust in the engine dev, or total legal rights to do whatever you want with the engine without involving the original devs.
Small teams will pivot to Godot, larger ones to Unreal, and that will be that.
Devs aren't the major problem here, they want to charge nintendo, ps and microsoft for every free unity game install using their online service.
Either ricci has lost his mind or has some deal with mihoyo to crash the company and sell it for penuts without nobody caring.
What's to stop mihoyo from doing something similar to their competitors in the event that they do buy unity? Actual question because I can't help but think that this is going to start a wave of paranoia that forces everyone to start making their own engines.
Unity is the de facto mobile engine I'm pretty sure mihoyo would be happy just by having unity for themselves and force the competition to move to something else.
>"hey, AAA company, you're good to cover for these users install fees, right?" >bill gates and nintendo and gaben and many other game studios meet secretly in a dark room in an undisclosed location >all shake hands >all nod >the next morning the unity CEO wakes up with a horse head in his bed
>go on twitter >nothing but sub-200 follower indie "developers" promoting their shit game under the guise of caring about any of this Unity shit as if they're going to be affected
god this is funny
Yes. They claim they won't charge for demos though and god knows how they'll enforce that. God knows how they'll enforce half of this. They don't even seem to know.
probably, and if not now, then later, or theyll just pretend to not notice some aberrant installs from pirate and vengeful and count them as legit and demand hundreds of thousands of dollars from you suddenly
This is what I want to know, I play a ton of those.
Did you guys really not read the chart?
Theres an income AND install threshold. You have to hit both to trigger a per install.
And as israelitey as this whole thing is, the average dev isn't going to have to pay a dime. This is clearly an cashgrab thats more or less going after big devs or gamepass style buffet services.
Honestly, if AAA gaming was only going to be affected I wouldn't give a frick because I refuse to consume slop, but they aren't gonna stop there upcharging big companies for using their services.
This is what I want to know, I play a ton of those.
Yes. They claim they won't charge for demos though and god knows how they'll enforce that. God knows how they'll enforce half of this. They don't even seem to know.
Free games are affected too, yes. even your hobbies shit will cost money
The game has to make money to reach both threshold
They announced devs would be charged per install of their game. A bunch of people immediately pointed out that people could install, uninstall and reinstall a game (or worse make a script to do that) in order to put a massive financial burden on a dev they have a vendetta against. They are tryin to explain they totally won't charge devs for that, super seriously!... while also offering no explanation on how they will prevent it. They claim hardware ids as if it isn't trivial as frick to spoof hardware and use virtual machines.
yes
the only way to stop install fraud would be to force so many security features on every single unity game that developers would have no choice but to abandon unity. you could force an account system and require tpm 2.0 to run games but you'd cut off so many users that your game would not be financially viable. unity is going to need to just make up numbers to avoid install fraud, but nobody sane is going to do business with a company that requires you to pay randomly generated fees. unity's only way out of this is to scrap the install fee completely, but the problem is that they've killed all trust with this announcement so there's no hope for growth, ever. if you're starting out and deciding what engine to use you're not gonna use unity, you'll use godot for 2d or unreal for 3d, unity is so unpredictable that investing time into learning it is a huge risk.
Unity has posted on the reddit thread in regards to piracy counting as installs since the installer itself is phoning home, so DRM bypass does nothing.
Their response is that developers will be given "tools" and will need to file claims and proof to remove pirated copy fees from their account. Devs need to do all the work to stop piracy and in the end still need Unity to approve the removal of the fees. Holy fricking LMAO, this engine is 100% dead. Congrats Unreal and Godot, you've got a lot of new users coming
This is what I found most ridiculous. Every case of piracy is supposed to be taken up with their support team (which I'm sure would be a 1 month wait per request at best)?
>yeah, we have no way of telling the difference between a legitimate copy and a pirated one, just file a ticket with customer service if you think someone pirated your game, trust us, we totally care about this just as much as you do
Insider here. They want to cash-in on genshin impact. There was a recent shareholders hearing in which Riccitiello was boasting about what market share they hold and what part of that Genshin contributes to. Then one of the shareholders asked how they are benefiting from Genshin's success and there was an awkward silence. These meetings are public, there should be recording if anyone wants to go back and clip it. I believe it was the Q2 hearing.
i sincerely doubt the top earner mobile apps will suddenly spend resources trying to move their games to another engine that they will still have to pay royalties on anyway (no none of them will use godot unfortunately)
indie devs are inconsequential in the big picture and are a very small source of revenue for unity
>detonating TNT on all potential future earnings growth or customers for a temporary piece of the mobile pie
again, doesn't really change the truth of my point.
They won't. Worse case scenario everything in-game will get more expensive in the next 6 months and people have to hope and pray they break even or risk shutting down the servers.
Well 90 percent of unity "devs" were the most arrogant type of devs. Even unreal gays weren't as bad. They had it coming it and not learning any other programming skills
Still. There are good unity games I enjoyed. Shame those devs are gonna be going broke soon because of these new policy.
Way more people were shitting on this decision than supporting it yesterday. You are lying for your weird ass narrative which isn't even that interesting. Stop picking 2 or 3 posts per 500 and acting like that represents all of Ganker. gay.
>90% of our customers wont be effected
in other words, the only people who would be effected were the people actually releasing games
no shit
apology already off to a shaky start
I like Unity and I actually have the Unity editor open right now. But I want them to burn because Ganker showed me all the israelites involved. I'm not joking, my opinion just did a 180 today.
unless Unity has a way to auto-deduct from these companies they'll have to take each company to court aka Unity would go bankrupt with court fees alone.
what's funny is even if you wanted to prevent this from happening and delist your game from steam, you still can't stop it because anyone who bought it is still free to download and install it over and over again
>Delist game >Still own because of Steam's policy not taking away delisted games unless its illegal to own >Ditto for something like GoG >Own game >Reinstill and fake spoof new ips
hehehehehe
>Retroactively charging people for the use of a tool you are selling them seems absurd
theryre not retroactively charging people theyre wording it wrong. they are changing the license agreement so it takes into account overall past sales and then charges them in the future based on it.
The retroactive charging doesn't mean retroactive before the change, you will only be charged for game installs made after 1/1/2024. What is "retroactive" is that the minimum installs before a fee kicks in are retroactively charged once you reach the fee.
Example: You create a game and release it in February 2024, you are now in the new fee system. For your first 200,000 sales you pay no fee. However, once you make your 200,001st sale, you are now retroactively charged for all 200,000 prior sales, meaning your 200,0001st sale instantly sends you a $40,000 bill
>Example: You create a game and release it in February 2024, you are now in the new fee system. For your first 200,000 sales you pay no fee. However, once you make your 200,001st sale, you are now retroactively charged for all 200,000 prior sales, meaning your 200,0001st sale instantly sends you a $40,000 bill
>That doesn't seem legal because you didn't agree to that when you bought the license and released your game.
No worries, when Unity updates later this month you get to either agree to those new terms for the developer account update, making it legal. Or request a developer account closure and terminate your product sales and avoid the fees fully!
It'll just be another example on a long list of stupid boomers allowing tech companies to perform unfair market practices because they don't understand technology.
It's made more galling by the fact they changed their terms of service to remove the bit that says they can't change the terms and apply them retroactively. They've outright lied to people who started developing years ago.
>We will work directly with you on cases where fraud and botnets are suspected of malicious intent.
I'm sure the company who stands to profit from fraudulent installs is going to be perfectly impartial in evaluating whether or not installs are fraudulent.
I imagine this will also severely frick over people who make an income from the asset store as well (assuming a mass exodus to other engines goes ahead)
Not just the asset store. Think of the entire industry that has built up around teaching game development using Unity. There's an entire ecosystem they've poisoned because nobody has faith in them any more.
It's like the most brazen attempt at tall poppy syndrome I've ever seen lmao, the moment you're too successful Unity is just gonna leap from the bushes and go straight for your jugular
an indie dev using unity can now be fricked over overnight by a tax bill if some youtuber plays them and kicks them over the limit, for being successful, yes.
imagine you made and posted a dumb joke meme game months or even years ago, forgot about it, and now owe the unity company millions of dollars you dont have
if you are a working dev. REMOVE DOWNLOAD LINKS FOR YOUR UNITY GAME SO YOU DONT GO BANKRUPT
>F2P mobile game with microtransactions >Could have millions of downloads with only 1-2% of users ever spending a dollar on it >Gain $200k against 10 million installs >"Give us all your money."
If there's one thing I've learned it's that EU chads constantly have to keep American israelites in check. I wouldn't be surprised if we came to the rescue again for you guys >previous credits: >refunds on steam >not allowed to raise price before discounting a game
It's simple, Euro didn't get the same post war boom America did. They had decent times, but they were still living in piles of rubble rebuilding everything from scratch as their continent was bombed to dust. Greedy boomers are the result of American style hyper prosperity in the post war boom where they were handed life on a silver platter and became extremely entitled and greedy.
NTA but the EU's regulatory bodies are staffed by a bunch of European parties meaning a hodge podge of old/new interests clashing and having to negotiate. EU parliament has coalitions and no single party is "too big" to do anything, meaning the chance of boomers being able to outdo chaos/people voting with self interest is severely hampered
No one wants to own 500 charging cables so Apple would've had to lobby 100+ parties to stop a vote that would buckbreak them for example
14 day refunds are there because of the EU. I assume everyone on steam from every region can refund a game before 14 days are up and not just EU citizens
at most what the eu will do is make it so they cant charge money retroactively for sales and has to honor previous license agreements with already existing games.
they wont be able to change anything for newly released games after the change.
>and has to honor previous license agreements with already existing games.
That would be enough. Anyone that's moronic enough to release a game after deserves it
I love that we have the power to tell Apple to stop fricking with the power chargers or they won't be allowed to do business anymore. Americans have the most purchasing power in the world, they could throw their weight (lmao) around and get a bunch of beneficial rights if they wanted but they don't know how
>they could throw their weight (lmao) around and get a bunch of beneficial rights if they wanted but they don't know how
No we can't, our system is actually set up to frick us over if we try anything >You need insurance >Good insurance REQUIRES a job >If you become a political activist opposing tptb they punish you by making you unemployable >If that doesn't work the CIA just kills you outright >Also the same people you must work through in the legal system are the same ethnicity as the people oppressing you
Unity is fricking everywhere, it makes up like 70% of all steam releases
https://steamdb.info/tech/
It's also over 80% of mobile releases. This is the biggest catastrophe in gaming development in a long time. They either revert this, or game dev (especially indie) is going to go through a massive upheaval and reorganization. Godot needs to pull as much funding as they can and finally get proper console and mobile support, they are standing to gain the biggest influx of users imaginable.
honestly surprised by that one considering how much I see Godot praised
8 months ago
Anonymous
Really? By now you should realize that the smaller the tech footprint the yappier the devs are, like with dogs.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Godot is like GIMP. It's a very cultist heavy, over praised, overhyped open sores alternative to much, MUCH better software and it's nowhere near as good as any of them no matter how hard the shills try and pretend otherwise.
However, I do think Godot also has potential to overcome that, but they have frick all funding and seriously need to solve that problem. They need to get their engine into a few big hype games that can result in a Blender style funding scheme.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>However, I do think Godot also has potential to overcome that,
just like every other open source project
8 months ago
Anonymous
Rpg maker is much more older than godot. Surprised how no one thought about the obvious.
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>Instead of trying to turn the tide at the cost of writing some words, just completely redo your game, retrain employees and pivot so hard that it costs you potentially millions
Be quiet while adults are talking
Among Us - https://twitter.com/InnerslothDevs/status/1701731398498013575
Cult of the Lamb - https://twitter.com/cultofthelamb/status/1701715971663425897
Wizards of the Coast had their sycophants when they tried to retroactively change the D&D Open Gaming License earlier in the year. But this change seems unilaterally hated. Even the Unity community is telling people to ditch Unity. Nobody is supporting this; at best there are people saying they won't change only because they've sunk too much into existing development.
It's apocalyptic levels of shooting yourself in the foot.
Few notice that the phrase "capitalist" was popularized by none other than that bloody old israelite, Marx, himself -a ship-wrecker. (Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital). Until Marx told our kind of people they were "capitalists" in his "Das Kapital," they never gave what they were doing economically such a formal name, but they did know what they believed in. It was NOT "capitalism." Capital was only a tool for our people in the process of production. Men like Henry Ford were not interested simply in getting money. Rather they were trying to do something - in Ford's case, give all Americans an automobile via Ford's discovery of "mass production." The American economy does not produce miracles because it is "capitalist," but because it is enterprising and productive! The correct name of our system is not "capitalism," but "productive enterprise." Productive enterprise needs capital. But it also needs labor, material, management and a hundred other things. Capital is only one of the tools of a productive enterprise system. It took the israeli parasitic genius of Karl Marx to elevate that one tool, capital, to the status in our civilization by attacking it and calling it "capitalism." He has thus trapped us into defending what he created, and has thereby doomed us to defeat because we defend a system based not on production, but money manipulation. Capitalism is the naked worship of money, not as a tool, but as an idol! "Capitalism" as promoted by both sides in the crazy "capitalism" versus "Communism" sham fight going on, is taken to mean the making of money through the use of capital - not necessarily by working or producing. In fact, most international capital is made not by working/or producing or even taking any genuine risks, but by manipulations of vast pools of money with inside information from israelites in high positions.
It requires an insanely low IQ to attack property rights in the first place.
Communism is nothing more than the supreme arrogance of bottom feeders
8 months ago
Anonymous
Property rights and capitalism have nothing in common. The definition of capitalism is a system that allows the generation of capital using capital. Capitalism means usury, interest, insider trading, investors and every other nasty israeli trick in the book. You were tricked into marrying those capitalist traits with good things like private property and private enterprise.
8 months ago
Anonymous
private enterprise in industries that need high capital is pretty much impossible without investors
you are moronic
usury (or loans) make the economy more effective, maybe there should be laws to stop morons from destroying themselves with it but nothing wrong with the concept itself
without usury or interest, there would be no loans, without loans people would not be able to buy houses or cars until they saved for them for years, but with loans they can use them right away
8 months ago
Anonymous
>need high capital is pretty much impossible without investors
Incorrect. It only seems that way because inflation and usury have blown everything out of proportion. In the same way you used to be able to buy a house or a car after a few months of working minimum wage, you could also afford to start a business after some time spent working yourself. You're letting a israeli system of control and enslavement give itself job security.
8 months ago
Anonymous
how are you going to start something like a mine without investors?
this would mean only big companies or already rich entities would be able to go into industries with high capital requirements
this makes things much worse, not better
8 months ago
Anonymous
Government loan with no interest. That's how every healthy country with a healthy economy did it throughout the entirety of human history.
8 months ago
Anonymous
so basically communism
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, not at all. You don't understand the first thing about finance, do you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
I fail to see the problem. A static hierarchy prevents people from psychotically turning others into steppingstones in an attempt to move beyond their station.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Thank god we will own nothing in the future then. Frick the bankers and God bless lord vassal relationships!
8 months ago
Anonymous
you're really stupid. read a book dude. every single country in history that has ever banned usury has fricking skyrocketed in terms of production and wealth.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>ban wealth creation
I don't need to study history to know that you're a fricking moron. An incentive to share capital is GOOD.
Also, what you're saying? Not even true. It caused stagnation in the middle ages and has kneecapped the middle east to this day.
8 months ago
Anonymous
oh my god you are the dumbest person on the planet or you're an actual israelite.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You should move to Africa to live with people that share your values.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You should move to Israel. Oh wait, you're going to do that anyway when you get caught bloodletting children.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not a fricking israelite you rabid idiot.
Your seething when I point out basic economic principles is embarrassing. You posting all this natsoc shit when Hitler built his economy on deficit spending is so fricking moronic it makes my head spin.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"...all this natsoc shit when Hitler..."
israelite detected.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for playing Black person. I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
at this point /misc/ people just project whatever values they believe in onto hitler. the actual ideology doesn't matter anymore
Debate me you cowardly merchants. Why is feudalism any worse than what we have now?
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one ignoring all of my points. Instead you samegay me with a bunch of 60IQ anti-banking shit, which coincidentally is all from the 1700s because that was the last time anyone could in good faith ignore the mountain of evidence that banking contributes to economic growth.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the guy you were talking to. I just called you a merchant for comedic effect. But my question was actually sincere.
What's the worst thing that could happen if went back to feudalism but with modern technology?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Totalitarian governments have been failing hard in the 21st century, by my reckoning.
They are paper tigers that have more and more corruption over time. You only need to examine the war in Ukraine, or the night light satellite analyses of Chinese GDP that show their economy is 25-40% smaller than they say, to arrive at that conclusion.
Fundamentally, I believe it just leads to corruption and inefficiency. Appointing officials by private means, then threatening them with harsh consequences if they don't deliver perfect results.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for the well thought out response tbh.
8 months ago
Anonymous
wtf are you talking about. what does that have to do with my post
8 months ago
Anonymous
He's one of those morons that thinks feudalism was some kind of idyllic perfect system because he's a fricking loser that will never own anything or amount to anything so he wants 99% of society to be reduced to his level as illiterate peasants. It's the only way he'll ever feel secure.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't want to go to bat for feudalism but peasants were treated better than modern workers are. At least the king had to live in fear of peasant revolts so they were treated well with lots of holidays.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know. half of that was a shit post the other half was a question because with age demographics it seems like the regression to it is probably inevitable.
He's one of those morons that thinks feudalism was some kind of idyllic perfect system because he's a fricking loser that will never own anything or amount to anything so he wants 99% of society to be reduced to his level as illiterate peasants. It's the only way he'll ever feel secure.
Someone's projecting.
8 months ago
Anonymous
at this point /misc/ people just project whatever values they believe in onto hitler. the actual ideology doesn't matter anymore
8 months ago
Anonymous
>deficit spending
Print 100 dollars.
"I want a surplus!"
Try to tax 110 dollars.
So a problem?
8 months ago
Anonymous
The founding fathers were national socialists?
You do need to study history. Badly. You have absolutely no fricking clue what you're talking about.
8 months ago
Anonymous
If you're not a israelite then you're incredibly stupid. You're defending an unsustainable system of israeli slavery because israelites told you it was for your own good. In reality money needs to be backed by labor or silver, it can't be backed by debt. Usury lets parasites generate money off of having money, which is inherently bad for society. You should only be making money if you're doing something useful for society. And that's before we even get into the fractional reserve principle, which blows your usury bullshit wide open.
8 months ago
Anonymous
someone should've told hitler that, maybe germany wouldn't have needed to invade other countries to deal with debts
8 months ago
Anonymous
Do you know anything about history? Hitler saved the German economy from crippling debt and inflation.
8 months ago
Anonymous
where did you learn about history
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's well known Hilter saved the German economy after it was ravaged by the treaty of versailles. The absolute state of the weimar republic versus the economic turn around Hilter brought was nothing short of a miracle. There isn't a historian on the planet that would even contest that. Where did you learn history? Holocaust class?
8 months ago
Anonymous
theres so much wrong with what you said but i know its not worth arguing with you since you are indubitably beyond reason
8 months ago
Anonymous
Everything he said is objectively correct. You're just a seething moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
literally every person on the planet agrees that Weimar was being ravaged by inflation and that Hitler brought prosperity back to the German economy. whether you love or hate Germany, this fact isn't up for debate.
stuff like this makes me think death drive is real
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's well known that if somebody on /misc/ tells you something then it's true. why would someone on the internet just lie that doesn't make any sense
literally every person on the planet agrees that Weimar was being ravaged by inflation and that Hitler brought prosperity back to the German economy. whether you love or hate Germany, this fact isn't up for debate.
8 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
This isn't even a /misc/ thing. I'm sure even the most pozzed history textbook in existence would admit it. It's basic fact that isn't even disputed. Don't know why you're seething so much about it.
there's so much written about how fricked the german economy was. it was a giant ponzi scheme that involved bullying poor shitholes into unfair trade deals and started collapsing before they decided to just invade poland and hope that would solve their problems
I've never been to /misc/. Finance is where my education is. I've also read The Creature from Jekyll Island, On the Abolition of Interest Slavery and dozens of others. Maybe you'd look less stupid if you took arguments by their own merits instead of rejecting them before you've even heard them because they don't agree with the propaganda you've been told your entire life about how great usury is.
browsing /misc/ does not count as education
8 months ago
Anonymous
>shitgremlin can only argue in bad faith
wow what a surprise
8 months ago
Anonymous
You've never read a history book in your life, have you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
again there's so much written about the nazi economy that you have to be willfully ignorant to think that it was a prosperous utopia and not on the verge of collapse
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's well known Hilter saved the German economy after it was ravaged by the treaty of versailles. The absolute state of the weimar republic versus the economic turn around Hilter brought was nothing short of a miracle. There isn't a historian on the planet that would even contest that. Where did you learn history? Holocaust class?
Hitler "saved" Germany from Weimar economy run by Mises and Dollfuss, by raising work hours, cutting wages, and unsustainably turning Germany's economy on loans, foreign wars, and the destruction of their and European industry in general. Nazi economics failed even harder than Communism did.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's well known that if somebody on /misc/ tells you something then it's true. why would someone on the internet just lie that doesn't make any sense
This isn't even a /misc/ thing. I'm sure even the most pozzed history textbook in existence would admit it. It's basic fact that isn't even disputed. Don't know why you're seething so much about it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's well known that if somebody on /misc/ tells you something then it's true. why would someone on the internet just lie that doesn't make any sense
8 months ago
Anonymous
Hitler privatized the entire economy, and privatized the 4 biggest banks. This is not the win for your argument that you think it is.
8 months ago
Anonymous
m8 are you mentally damaged? the whole thing started because of israelites running german economy to the ground
8 months ago
Anonymous
the nazi economy was perfect, why would /misc/ ever lie to me?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Germany's economy was the most prosperous in the world before the war. Even the Allies admit this, they say outright that it was their main motivation for attacking Germany.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No, their main motivation for attacking Germany was that they kept invading their neighbours. Frick you hunnic pig.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Germany never invaded any country that wasn't already attacking them. Are you seriously taking post hoc propaganda as fact?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>germany dindu nuffin
8 months ago
Anonymous
is this a screencap of a random page of a book that you saved from /misc/?
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's from A History of Central Banking. Read it if you want to stop being a dumb moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
lol i see that book posted all the time by /misc/ homosexuals, you only read it because they told you to and there is a 100% chance you've never read anything else on the nazi economy
8 months ago
Anonymous
I've never been to /misc/. Finance is where my education is. I've also read The Creature from Jekyll Island, On the Abolition of Interest Slavery and dozens of others. Maybe you'd look less stupid if you took arguments by their own merits instead of rejecting them before you've even heard them because they don't agree with the propaganda you've been told your entire life about how great usury is.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Damn this homie hitting these brainwashed lefturds with hard truth bombs.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It's amazing how quickly you had to move the goalposts from business loans to national currencies, because fundamentally you know that you are wrong. Really really wrong, and stupid really for hurling so many insults when "usury" is obviously a great incentive for the private sector.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't move any goalposts. You're just wrong and looking for a way to weasel out. Truly pathetic and israeli behavior.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You do need to study history. Badly. You have absolutely no fricking clue what you're talking about.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Name one reason feudalism is bad.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're really, really stupid and extremely wrong.
You'd need to read several books to stop being such a fricking dumbass, but this video is the brief version.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Money is supposed to be a representation of labor. The end result of usury is an exponential wealth disparity in which those with money will amass unending amounts of wealth by using money to breed more money and effectively making slaves out of everyone else.
8 months ago
Anonymous
He's right, you're just a gullible moron who believes blatant propaganda. Usury is bad for every nation that allows it. It creates a parasitic class that siphons wealth away from the country. It doesn't generate wealth, it destroys it by building debt upon debt until the currency is meaningless.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Also, what you're saying? Not even true. It caused stagnation in the middle ages
I can't believe Rabbi Heebergstein not being able to charge a very modest 5% interest compounded every Sabbath per shekel lent hamstrung middle age Europe. Oh wait, it fricking didn't; that was the epidemic that killed 1/4 of the continent's population which led to a gigantic labor shortage and drastic slowdown of production.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>private enterpise in industries that need lots of money is pretty much impossible without people that have access to lots of money >defends israelite bottomfeeders profiting by giving people money temporarily on the promise they pay the amount + tip as though it's some sacred instituition to keep the world spinning >doesn't understand that goods are priced based upon the value of a currency and currency is valued based upon the amount in circulation and its liquidity and people's trust in its stability
You have as much financial literacy as the average Ganker poster. I can't believe no one lived in a house until capitalism was invented.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>wall of text
the right can't meme
8 months ago
Anonymous
Had me a sensible chuckle even if the intentional linebreaks is a shameless attempt to farm (You)s off of "hurr reddit spacing" replies
thats the entire point of capitalism, be a greedy company or get beaten out by greedier competitors. at least that pesky big government isnt preventing this with consumer laws.
no you dumb Black person, the point is to offer a service for a price that is better than the competition
this is the exact opposite of that and their moronic business decisions means their company will go bankrupt
i.e. this is a example of capitalism working as intended, dumbass decisions result in shit companies getting deleted (outcompeted) by market forces
ever notice how rent is going up everywhere but wages arent. huh. you'd think rents would go lower because they want to be offer the best deal. or food prices would go lower to be better than the competition. maybe you dont know what capitalism is when done in america. Do you think Unity would have done this if they didn't think they could get away with it?
inflation is a spiral
please god think harder before you post you stupid fricking communist
8 months ago
Anonymous
(Jou)
moron
(Jou)
8 months ago
Anonymous
please god think harder about how corporations are posting all time profits after raising prices and saying it was because of inflation. If they were just offsetting the cost of production, their profits would have been the same.
8 months ago
Anonymous
the link you posted said they raised them in anticipation of even higher costs in the future, which actually happened
and they want to keep the same margins (percentage of profits), not absolute profit you moron
so you would expect 50% from profits and 50% from other sources basically, what you posted was 60% from profits due to anticipation of more cost increases
but even framing it in this way is absolutely moronic
8 months ago
Anonymous
In 2022, Big Oil companies reported record profits of $219 billion.
This was more than the economic output of most countries.
The profits were due to a combination of strong markets, production, and cost control.
The companies used their earnings to reward shareholders with higher dividends and share buybacks.
I'm actually more confused how so many places can't hire people to work. Even my work is understaffed looking for people.
How is anyone surviving without a job? Is it all welfare people?
8 months ago
Anonymous
living with friends/family with jobs and scraping by with odd jobs and savings
everyone needs more workers, nobody wants to actually hire the people looking for work; welcome to the economy run by women
8 months ago
Anonymous
>understaffed looking for people
Then you are offering shit wages and/or turning away applicants. It's not difficult to understand.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Basically every company always has non-existant openings listed nowadays. First of all it makes them look like they're growing which is mandatory for our israelited system. Second, if a particularly good applicant comes along they can replace their least favorite employee.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Unironically yes because it is difficult to get a decent paying job iob any job at all. If a place is understaffed and are refusing applications theres not much you can do.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Let me guess, they tell you there's just nobody worth hiring and then make you work longer hours?
How long are you going to go through life without thinking critically? Dumb frick
8 months ago
Anonymous
I can't work longer hours because its a union job.
They'll have to pay me extra.
Also, its a School job and it wouldn't make sense.
8 months ago
Anonymous
In China they hire 30 people to do the job of 1 person. In America they hire 1 person to do the job of 3 people, while promising him they'll hire more people soon so they won't be so short handed. After 2 years of this he eventually realizes they're not actually looking to hire more people and quits, so they hire a new guy to do the work of 3 people...
8 months ago
Anonymous
This seems like a extremely risky strat considering how easy it is too lose half of your employees in less then a few days. Hell, some people just walk out on the first day.
I don't think Walmart can be run by a single employee, they'll lose far more money than just hiring more people.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Because they know people are so desperate that they'll keep working to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table especially in the current economic climate, and then run them ragged so they don't have the energy or will to find another job.
8 months ago
Anonymous
They have no shortage of applications, anon. They could hire up to full capacity in a week if they wanted to. But they don't. Hiring people is expensive, employees are easily the highest cost to any business. So you reduce headcount and increase workload while keeping pay the same.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There is no shortage of people willing to work. None. This "shortage" you've heard about doesn't mean what you think it means. It means that the number of spare applications they have on hand to fill positions when people quit unexpectedly has dropped below the safe threshold and they might actually have to start raising wages or offering better benefits to encourage people to apply.
This fixes and clarifies absolutely nothing and the fact they're still trying to go through with it means it's truly over.
They could easily just charge that 20 cents on purchases instead and have it be far clearer and make more money off the games that never end up getting installed. The fact they're trying to stick with installs means they want to keep the ability dip in for that 20 cents as many times as possible.
>and the fact they're still trying to go through with it means it's truly over.
Yeah I initially thought this was one of those "Overdo and roll back for praise" situations where you want to make an unpopular change, so you make a MASSIVELY unpopular one, then play the good guy and say "We listened, we love you, we're rolling it back a bunch" and roll back to your originally intended plan except now people love you for it.
But nope, this looks pretty final. Unity lost $921,000,000 last year, the investors are done, they want money.
>and roll back to your originally intended plan except now people love you for it
I mean people are forgetting about the other bullshit they're pulling. They're going always online now and killing their middleground option to force people into the highest tier. I thought they might roll back the install thing to get away with stuff like the above, but it really does look like they want the whole shebang.
>Unity lost $921,000,000 last year, the investors are done, they want money.
Maybe Unity shouldn't have 7700 employees. They literally have more employees than some of these examples:
Nexon (7467)
Nintendo (7317)
Square Enix (4712)
Blizzard (4700)
Playstation (4000)
Epic Games (3746)
Capcom (3207)
Roblox (2128)
Valve (1139)
No you cannot charge a developer on a subscription model for an already released product based on ToS they never agreed to when the product was released.
It's a clusterfrick. The second that Unity tries to send to a bill to anybody who has ties to a bigger company then Unity is going to get sued into the ground.
>The second that Unity tries to send to a bill to anybody who has ties to a bigger company then Unity is going to get sued into the ground.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall if they tried this shit with one of Microsofts IPs.
It likely will be Microsoft. The only other players big enough to get seriously pissed and get legal if their studios get sent a bill are Mihoyo and Nintendo. Mihoyo will probably not be charged this fee, they have a special sweetheart deal where they pay boatloads of cash for a license that's above even Enterprise, they get full source code access to the engine and editor and use a heavily customized version on their end. Unity will likely play it smart and simply consider their license fee all the payment needed and not charge the install fee.
It's quasi-legal. In that it's not explicitly against any laws, but there's no judge anywhere on earth that would side with Unity if they were taken to court over it, because pulling the rug out from under people who went into business with you in good faith is something literally nobody likes.
let's say you install a game on a VM. And then you reset your VM to an earlier snapshot and install the game again. Is there any way for the game to know it has been installed before on that device?
And they can't be using IP addresses, since this is mainly intended to detect people installing a game on multiple devices in their home which would all be on the same local area network.
>it only affects the guys that can turn tail and ditch us as fast as possible
sure bud >we're not going to charge for fraudulent charges
how will they prove what's faud and what isn't, literally just Trust me bro >we're not going to count web and streaming towards your count
didn't they fricking say it they where going to be charging the fricking hosts?
>The latest new Fire emblem game is running on Unity, where the IP is owned by Nintendo >F/GO is on unity, who's owned by aniplex. who's owned by Sony >Genshin is miHoYo >A whole bunch of other popular mobile games on unity ran by big companies like, bamco, Capcom etc etc >Unity tries to charge them >Unity gets fricked in courts >Unity literally dies by greed
Unity trying to nab on vidya industry super titans sure is going to be funny when one of them realize their bullshit and move their massive influences to completely destroy unity.
Unity is going to have every blood sucking lawyer from any major studio using unity shoving their fetid wieners in every hole the instant a bill hits any of them.
Tinfoil hat time
This is a coordinated ploy to kill indie developers because gaming is one of the biggest cultural threats atm; over the course of the next decades the people in charge really want to push gaming to be exclusively through Microsoft Sony etc so they can have more control over the content. Games such as ex Genshin are a threat with pretty girls
I fully expect tons of major unity games to be announcing plans to go to a new engine in the future and for unity adoption to drop off a cliff. All you need is one scare like this to completely destroy faith in your company.
C++ can be hard because you can do the same task in 200 different ways, this freedom comes at the cost of the language not holding your hand, still doesn't mean you should make simple things complicated, that's the biggest problem with anti-C++ gays(and modern "programmers" in general) they think because you can you should make things unnecessarily complicated.
two ways about it, depending on the nature of your game:
>high reliance on the actual codebase, only use unity for asset management and rendering
might as well go monogame. not a huge deal, though incredibly annoying and wasteful nonetheless >high reliance on proprietary unity stuff like scenes, gameobjects, etc.
you are a lot more fricked. but if you have less code to work with, then it's easier to port all your assets into something like unreal and more or less rebuild the game from ground up.
>more than 90%
That sounds like it'll affect every Unity game you've ever heard of. What percentage of Unity releases are asset flip garbage that nobody buys? Probably above 99%
The highlighted text is written by a guy at The Washington Observer, you can see its label at the top. It's not a CIA publication. The reason you can find it in the CIA reading room is because it falls in the CREST program, which is an archive for historical writings and newspapers entries. It is very obviously saved there because the article itself is about an agent who got killed in Greece, in addition to Watergate's leak.
>no mentioning how they will register installs >no word on telemetry >no statement how any of it is GDPR compliant
At this point I am convinced they plan to cash in with information brokering selling off the collected fingerprints to however pays for them.
Question. Why cant they just to a Royalty cut like nearly every other game engine out there? Doing it based on purchases by the game itself and other aspects such as microtransactions is much more tangible than just straight up "we are guessing installs".
It shouldnt be that hard cause thats the god damn norm
Because they need money, badly. Unity has existed for 18 years, in that time they had ONE QUARTER where they turned a profit. Under John Riccitello Unity went from ~50 million lost per year to 971 million in 2022. The investors are fuming, they want money and they want it now.
But why didn't they just increase the price on their existing monetization methods instead of full going moron. Would've been 200% less controversial to just say "yeah, we're making your subscription more expensive."
They are throwing a hail mary. Their company was likely going down the shitter anyway, so they might as well try something radical and hope that it somehow works out.
Calling it now, Google will buy Unity when its value tanks to shit and they'll open source it to try and fix its reputation, while also shoving adSense and other tracking crap inside. Save this post.
>Fraudulent install chargers: we will work with you in suspected cases
What will happen here is that they will initially charge the developer for any fees until the charge is finished being disputed like with credit cards. Furthermore, they will handle these in batch’s, they will in no situation wipe more than the cost of the subscription in a single batch. They will not hire the appropriate amount of staff for this, there will be a backlog immediately. There will be developers not being targeted by false installs wanting to dispute charges. Unity will receive charge backs and charging by companies who didn’t agree with disputes. This will need huge overhead for new staff to deal with these issues, they will need more lawyers.
> Build your own engine
That's unironically what we're going to see happen. Microsoft has the resources to build a new engine but they also have 2 trillion dollars in market cap, so they can literally just buy Unity without even waiting for their stock to implode.
It's insane that this applies to games that have already been released for years under a different ToS. It's scummy either way, but it would at least be somewhat more sensible if it only applied to new games going forward. This feels crazy illegal, but presumably their legal team actually approved it?
charging for installs is just fricking stupid, there is no reasonable way to track that without being insanely invasive
and even then, not sure how you would actually track if someone installs it multiple times
This is on the Unity forum from their own lawyers: >Our terms of service provide that Unity may add or change fees at any time. We are providing more than three months advance notice of the Unity Runtime Fee before it goes into effect. Consent is not required for additional fees to take effect, and the only version of our terms is the most current version; you simply cannot choose to comply with a prior version. Further, our terms are governed by California law, notwithstanding the country of the customer.
But can't you just stick with an older version of Unity that was licensed under different terms? Pretty sure that's how software has traditionally worked.
That's what the old version of the terms said you could do if you didn't agree with the new terms. But then they removed that from the latest terms and now say you have to use the latest.
They're doing the exact thing they said they wouldn't do in the previous version of the ToS.
>Further, our terms are governed by California law, notwithstanding the country of the customer.
Are they fricking moronic? They think that they can force any Unity dev anywhere in the world to have to follow California law? Do they have lawyers from Wish.com?
This whole line sucks. Regardless of ToS changes you have to consent to it regardless. Forcing compliance on a new ToS without the knowledge or approval is illegal as frick.
>Hello judge, I am a developer from EU and by EU laws, this is highly illegal in every regard >Okay, you are right. Unity you are in the wrong
This is how it will go.
>Consent is not required for additional fees to take effect
Even someone with downs could win a court case against Unity by citing this line. What a fricking asinine thing to put into writing.
>but presumably their legal team actually approved it?
I doubt it. This entire thing smells like some CEO or another bigwig is just going nuts and throwing a bunch of shit around completely cluelessly. Look how fast they had a "regroup" and changed it from being every install or just being every initial install instead, and that demos and game pass were also not gonna be included.
They haven't cleared frick all with any kind of lawyers, I'm 99% sure.
>AHHHH HELP ME OBAMA THEY'RE DOING HECKIN INSIDER TRADING! >NO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT I SAW IT ON R/OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Shut the frick up homosexuals. All public company executives get compensated in stock/options and have policies in place to occasionally sell some every year. John Riccitello sold 2,000 of his 3.2 million shares last week, that's not insider trading your fricking morons. The other people some a few thousand of their millions too.
so you say but piracy is alive and well
surely this time the multibillion dollar enterprises who hire jeet subhumans to make their products will manage to win the arms race against the pirate master race
Is Ganker turning back towards being leftwing? Or are you guys just going to blame DA israeliteS for conducting business totally legally within the current business law framework established by Republicans?
You're going to vote with your wallet. You're going to uninstall every Unity game that you own. You're going to refuse to purchase any further games on steam/whatever until they completely disallow unity engine games.
??? This doesn't affect consumers at all you dunce. We're not the ones being hit with fees, the developers are. There's no way to "vote with your wallet".
Well, consider that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all directly or indirectly own big games made with unity. FGO is Unity, so is Genshin, Fire Emblem, most of the big gacha games. Imagine Unity tryign to send a bill to Sony or Microsoft.
>Just trust us, we'll only charge you when it's fair for us to do so
There is no way to enforce a model you refuse to specifically define, they are making this up as they go along. This is an announcement of turning unity into an extortion racket.
>Now people will wonder if Unreal Engine has similar spyware capabilities.
Considering anyone with a free Epic account can get the UE4 and 5 source code, go ahead and point to where it is.
We learned that /misc/Black folk are too stupid to understand interest rates, which great powers have been using since even before the industrial revolution?
reminder
>On September 6, 2023, John Riccitiello, President and CEO of Unity Software Inc (NYSE:U), sold 2,000 shares of the company, 50,000 shares within this year.
>Several others on Unity's board of directors also sold shares in the past few weeks, including president of growth Tomer Bar-Zeev who sold 37.5k shares on 1st September, for around $1.4m. Shlomo Dovrat, meanwhile, sold 68k shares on 30th August for around $2.5m.
>in·sid·er trad·ing (/inˌsīdər ˈtrādiNG/) noun
>"the illegal practice of trading on the stock exchange to one's own advantage through having access to confidential information."
>Tomer Bar-Zeev
>Shlomo Dovrat
CEOs can't be charged with insider trading, already ruled by Congress in a past case.
by the people for the people
Which is moronic.
Well, no. Most of the time sales of shares have to be approved in advance and happen at set times during the year.
Doesn't mean you can't plan around it.
why am I not surprised
Unless congress passed a law, which they didnt, congress doesnt fricking rule on anything. Of course CEO's are liable for insider trading. Whether or not the SEC decides to take action is a different matter.
Not how it works. Congress supersedes presidential authority. Did you really think anything mattered in the "free world"?
That is how it works. Congress does not create legal precedent, SCOTUS does. Like the other anon said, unless Congress signed in a new law, they have no authority to declare that CEO's can't be charged with insider trading.
anon a governor has literally banned the 2nd amendment in their state
Congress can also not be charged for insider trading
OH SAY CAN YOU SEE
>the very law that should apply to CEOs most, doesn't
one big club and you ain't in it
except it does if they don't do it by the book and the SEC loves high profile cases
but in this case here they sold their own shares according to the regulations, idk why anons are saying this is illegal
I guarantee a republican congress made that decision.
considering the view itself is republican, this is a no brainer.
Lol I love Sulla-era politics, now can we start having Triumvirates already?
We had a weak ass version of Sulla, didn't even purge anybody.
Check how many shares they own and you'll see a few thousands means fricking nothing. God I fricking hate this kind of shitty outrage-bait journalism.
Hello mr merchant.
>everything is somehow the israelites even when it's an American CEO selling 0.5% of his shares legally under SEC rules that have been in place for decades
It's just banter senpai.
>Shlomo is not israeli
>Americans can't be israelites
>SEC is not headed by a israelite
>SEC members haven't been writing op-eds about how the SEC is over-regulated
>selling a small amount of your total shares means it's not insider trading
>selling shares through legal exchanges means it's not insider trading
>SEC rules are somehow more valid/authoritative/ethical if they've "been in place for decades"
>CEOs selling millions of dollars worth of shares before an announcement about a complete overhaul of the pricing model raises no eyebrows
>questioning any of this anti-semitism
109 countries can't be wrong
It means a lot to the investors they fricked.
>it doesn't matter if they only did a little bit of insider trading, goym
Found the israelite
But just for shits, please tell us how many shares they each own, since you feel so called to defend this as a minute portion of their totals
>Shlomo Dovrat
>shlomo
Bootlickers will look at this and still say "I don't see anything wrong with the Unity change."
If I didn't understand the market and SEC rules I would agree with you.
That can't be his name. This almost as hilarious as Goldman Sachs (Gold Sachs Man).
>Shlomo Dovrat
this is literally just looting. white collar looting
wtf i don't hate these changes anymore
Imagine anyone actually being prosecuted for this. Nancy Pelosi would be serving 50 lifetime sentences if this shit was enforced.
>Schlomo the rat
>Shlomo Dovrat
>jews buy unity last year
>literally holocaust the entire gaming market
>if this is allowed to happen, nothing stops them from repeating this with every other engine that gets popular
I didn't realize Shlomo was a real name. I thought it was just an insult like Black person or israelite.
protip: stereotypes become a thing because they're at least partially true if not entirely true
Tyrone is also a common name among blacks in the US
schlomo is like tyrone, chang, nguyen, and pajeet. actual names but used in a racist way.
Shlomo Dovrat
>Tomer Bar-Zeev
I can't believe Tomar LITERALLY pulled another one of his iconic pyramid schemes just so he could buy 30,000 pounds of roast beef.
Damn, his feeder fetish is getting out of control.
Why do they all have funny last names?
They're Ace Attorney characters.
>schlomo
I'M NOOOOOOOOOOTICING
>this is what right wing cücks defend
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
I bet they will get arrested and put in jail any day now ... i bet
Lol they are not backing down, anyone who accept this shit deserves to be raped by Unity.
Hollow Knight Silksong isn't going to release until 2026 now due to them moving engines
What engine are they switching to? game maker or gadot?
RPG maker MV
Obviously not godot, they're actually respectable successful developers who knows their shit.
what is wrong with gadot
Wondor Womon 1984. Worst shit I've ever seen.
>source: my literal butthole
You meant to post
>Hollow Knight Silksong isn't going to release
Reprogramming an entire game where most of the dev time comes from hand drawing every asset doesn't sound that bad.
charging per install and not per sales count is full moron
doesn't matter. The fact they brought this up at all means you don't even "own" what you develop and are always at risk. Make your own engines or use something open-source. It's the only way to future-proof yourselves from rampant judaism.
how would they even monitor this? drm?
"trust me bro"
last year Unity merged with an israeli spyware company
source?
ironforge
at the time i speculated that they wanted them for telemetry/ad integration expertise. right now i have no idea
>right now i have no idea
Bro, it's obviously their spyware that's going to be integrated to track installs.
they would've had to have done that years ago for this to really work. genshin impact and other mobile giants are probably developed on some offshoot of unity from 2016. bringing in ironforge now won't help them add spyware to those games.
the thing ironforge malware guys CAN do is try to frick around with the ad services and do data analysis, which is what i figured they would be doing
Still moronic and I hope Unity goes under for this israeliteery
Even if they backtracked completely, you'd have to be fricking moronic to ever want to use Unity again in any capacity. The engine is dead in the water.
Correct. Any semblance of trust is gone. They've shown they're willing to rugpull you at a moment's notice.
Every dev with the capability to do so will switch engines and nobody on earth is going to choose to start their new project in Unity.
If they go under they will be bought by China and will get merged under Unity China. Mihoyo which is a major shareholders will win and control gacha games
>https://blog.unity.com/news/unity-forms-new-venture-to-manage-china-operations
Fricking hell they're really not backtracking?
>let's do some damage control but not really
>we will work directly with you...6 months after we've sat on your money
No developer in their right mind will ever use unity ever again, even if they remove the fees completely there is no going back, Unity is dead.
What will they use instead?
Unreal is actually free
Git gud and make their own engines
Or use something like gamemaker IDK
not completely free but yeah
if you're a 3D developer you're moving to Unreal
godot looks like a good option until you actually start using it, it's just not properly 3D-ready for a lot of different projects
2D it's all godot and gamemaker
There are several engines out there, some of them are free too.
Unreal, Godot, RPGMaker,
3D: Unreal
2D: Godot (unless ur making a console game)
>free to play game with in-game store gets 2 million downloads
>the cash-shop makes $200,000 dollars
>the dev now owes unity $400,000 in fees
Not even a meme: see
A game with a low monetisation model is showing that they'd owe more than 100% of their revenue.
Which just mean they're forced to switch to a high monetisation model and squeeze kids for every penny they're worth.
The pr guy has to be the most unlucky homosexual in the world to try to spin this shit into a good thing
Also unity isn't changing shit. They're just trying to appease the masses, but its not gonna fricking work because you went OVERJEW
>we are not going to count web and streaming games toward your install count
Unity games bought on Steam but running in an embedded Chrome window
It shouldn't be too difficult to change your Unity game from native executable to a web app, right? So this seems like the obvious solution for anyone that already has a catalog of Unity-based games that they'd rather not get retroactively fricked on
God knows whether they'd still count old pre-web versions of the game being installed such as GOG releases. Probably will considering they're massive c**ts.
these frickers are actually doubling down with this shit.
this is actually the end for unity
fricking incredible
>standing their ground despite everything
Honestly nuts but I respect it.
>we will work directly with you on cases where fraud or botnets are suspected of malicious intent
Why even open this can of worms though? What purpose is there for charging a fee for a moronic metric like installs rather than sales?
Also what happens if I download an offline installer from GOG, transfer it to a PC without an internet connection, and install it there? How can they even know?
lying israelites
they won't be able to tell pirates from legit copies
and someone malicious will go after indies day one to prove the point
>someone malicious will go after indies day one to prove the point
Fire up rhe Internet Hate Machine boys, we got ourselves a HAPPENING
pretty sure someone would go after something like fate grand order or pokemon go instead using emulators. really take the console wars to the next level.
Why didn't unity just go with a percentage cut? Why all this fricking weasel word trash?
They're hemoraghing money faster than a sieve and this is their dumb frick idea to get some money from genshin.
Genshin passes the threshold to only have to pay a penny per install though.
Unity is run by the former CEO of fricking EA, you expect a Ventrue Prince to just stop being an absolute turbo israelite?
>Why didn't unity just go with a percentage cut? Why all this fricking weasel word trash?
because mobile.
like 95% of mobile games are made with unity. and while mobile games are very profitable. unity cant directly go after in app purchases. so they do installs.
you have to keep in mind most people that play mobile games never spend a penny on them. its a very small population that actually spends money on mobile games but when they do its a lot.
they went for installs because people often download apps used them for a bit then remove them only to reinstall them later.
this way they get a cut of the mobile market regardless of weather people make in app purchases or not.
I't's funny really. Mobile games used to be the lowest of brow in gaming because it was created with minimal effort and support compared to console and PC games but now that it has gotten popular with the last 5-10 years things have gotten worse for the market again.
>this way they get a cut of the mobile market regardless of weather people make in app purchases or not.
actually smart if it works out that way.
>this might actually kill the freemium mobile market shit
this is something I can agree with
why the frick did they do it? kill unity on purpose for some reason? hope game devs that are almost finished with a upcoming game don't switch engines just at the end and this is some way to squeeze a lot of money quickly (might do this if they see the writing on the wall for unity or something and think its dead already, this is then a way to squeeze money quickly before death)
Unity has been in the red for a while now. They're trying to get more money from games like Rust and Genshin with this stunt.
My homie, they simple decided they can steal peoples money out of fricking nowhere, no court will rule in their favor if companies like Miho just tell them to frick off, speacially in China.
I didn't say they were smart anon, it's evident that they aren't.
Greed.
greed is a given and necessary
this is just moronic and doesn't maximize their money
I'm never installing a game made with Unity on my PC again.
I'm repeatedly uninstalling and installing games made with Unity on my PC when I don't like them.
Correct me if I wrong but they still haven't clarified who foots the bill when those games go free with ps+ or gamepass.
Sony just raised the ps+ price to keep shareholders happy I can't imagine they'll go along with this.
IIRC Microsoft and Sony are footing it for Gamepass and PS+
Microsoft and Sony. At least this is what Unity believes.
Unity says the platform holders will pay. In reality, MS will just kick every Unity game off Gamepass.
with israelites, you lose
FRAUDULENT INSTALLS
>by pirating a game you can now unironically cost the devs money
>spoof multiple installs to ding them multiple times
this dystopia is hilarious
>90% of our users won't be affected
but I'm willing to bet 88% of unity users never even publish
I immediately thought the same thing. They're doubtlessly counting every download of Unity as a "customer."
Exactly. I'd love to see what percentage of users who've actually published or sold games will be affected.
Not to mention the most glaring problem for me being the completely obscure way that they detect authentic vs malicious installs. An earlier tweet literally boiled down to "trust us bro"
You know, fee bullshit not withstanding, how are they gonna track installations?
if you use some sort of network tracking software, you would see that every unity game reaches out to the company when you start it. there's an opt out somewhere but presumably not for first run
trust them bro
Yeah and how are they even going to track old games that can be downloaded in gog? They gonna force developers and publishers to update their old games just so they could add trackers?
>Due to your continued refusal to update your pre-2017 titles with the latest version of Unity Tracker™, we are unfortunately forced to estimate the number of installs made by your users as per our recently updated licensing terms
>If you believe our estimates to be incorrect, then please contact us immediately so that we can help you gather more accurate data as soon as possible.
>Due date is at the end of the month. Should payment not occur, we will be forced to pursue further legal options.
Absolute morons destroyed their engine, you need to be a special type of moron to use an engine where the company can just steal your money, aka charge fee, for each game instalation of your game.
Thats so stupid it reaches the point of absurdity.
They're trying to target F2P mobile games with micro transactions but they're handling it so stupidly
who cares. the damage is done, unity is fricked.
>You lived long enough to see the death of Unity
It was about time. Never have I seen such a shitty product be so widely defended. Whenever you have an issue with a game and you point out that the engine was Unity some homosexual who has been paying to learn to be a gamedev in a south american university for six months jumps out of a bush and starts yapping about how "the engine is not the issue, but the developer, Unity is fine, I use Unity everyday bro". Ridiculous.
Get fricked hollowBlack folk, now your game will truly never release.
WANT MORE MONEY
SUGGEST A SHITTY CHANGE THAT MAKES A LOT OF MONEY
EVERYONE REBELS
SUGGEST A LESS-SHITTY CHANGE THAT STILL MAKES A LOT OF MONEY
THANKS FOR LISTENING TO US, BRAND
WELCOME TO CAPITALISM
THIS IS WHAT AMERICANS HAVE BEEN DEMANDING YOUR RESPECT FOR
So how does this net them more money again? They threw their credibility out the window so even if they backtrack on everything hardly anyone is going to risk working with the engine now since they know Unity will just rob them at the blink of an eye. There's a right way and a wrong way of doing this and Unity just went full fricking moronic.
>So how does this net them more money again?
It doesn't. Companies do not learn that greed tanks their company. like others, Unity think they are too big to fail and think people will just say "oh okay here's our hard earned money" then continue using their engine, while everything is getting expensive and people are tightening their belts.
Only in a capitalist system they can fail by prople telling them to frick off.
Meanwhile in sovietnistan...
>makes a shit ton in the short term
>execs cash out
>new people figure out the mess in the long run
Yes you’re right making bad decisions that cause your company to implode when everyone stops using your product is capitalism.
And it’s based.
>muh capitalism
They want to charge people based on copyright rules, Black person, most people will not use the engine and those who already use can tell them to frick off because no juristiction will rule in favor of unity, unless its japan.
>somebody does something moronic
>FRICKING CAPITALISM THE WEST HAS FALLEN BILLIONS MUST DIE
do you blame capitalism when you stub your toe?
implying this sad attempt at damage control did anything
people are still pissed
everything is anti consumer, nothing is win win
just israelites bleeding everyone until the calcium in their bones turn to dust
(Jou)
I have seen literally nobody thinking the "pull-back" is a good move or praising their decision. Indie trannies are on high alert for their own shekles, this isn't a fricking xbox used game scenario
There is so many good games made in unity. Especially in niche genres. Or upcoming one like Sea Power, Nebulous Fleet Commander. How the frick is this even legal?
>make game for 5 years
>now everything is fricked
Capitalism ho.
Reninder that they originally said that developers would be charged for re-installs because they only had access to "aggregate data" and could not distinguish individual installs. Now they're saying they can. How can anyone trust these lying israelites who will obviously say whatever's convenient in the moment?
nobody is trusting them, I think devs are just thinking how are they going to deal with this flaming pile of shit now
if you have a big studio with people that have trained to use unity with workflows in it and basically no knowledge of other engines, not really sure its feasible to change engines if its late into development
and supposedly something like Unreal you need actual coding knowledge that you don't in Unity? havent' used either one so dont know
Both have visual graph code editors but to effectively use Unity you need to know C#.
>we want to acknowledge our confusion
What confusion? what they said doesn't make anything any better than their previous stament.
>this doesnt affect anybody who wasnt making money anyways
>only the ones who make money
no shit
unironically that post
Obliterating customer trust is not a win and will not get them praise. Corporations are not as mindless as the consumer piggies that play AAA games, this isn't going to go over like a balance patch.
so basically all the garbage loser indie shit that don't sell for shit won't be affect. Not that anybody cared about them in the first place.
Only successful high selling games are affected.
Ok so it's nothing we didn't already know. Entire new statement is fricking nothing.
kys, Schlomo
>Pirate game
>Install
>Uninstall
>spoof new IP address
>repeat
>Process to bankrut entire studios
devilish
If you make a 2D game and you need to use an enterprise scale engine, you deserve this. If you're too fricking moronic to make 2d images move across the screen on an X and Y axis that you need to use a bloated engine to do it, kys
You know the higher up are so high on their own supply they legitimately went "what are they gonna do? Go to our competitors"? Like Netflix and Microsoft did in the past
>make game
>it sells millions
>spend all deserved money
>now you need to pay for selling your game too much
>you're in debt
Unity should benefit if their IP is used for a game like Genshin Impact that makes $1,000,000,000 and they know it. The changes are fine
> they should
no they not
Then maybe they should implement a license fee like a reasonable company instead of their inane "Every time someone installs a game you owe us 15 cents. No we can't differentiate installs so reinstalls count. If you think someone is trying to cost you money by maliciously reinstalling you can tell us and we'll check on it somehow, even though we can't differentiate installs. ... Okay because you got mad we can now differentiate installs even though we said we couldn't yesterday" bullshit.
This is why CEOs are paid so well. They announce bullshit people hate and then roll it back a little and everyone would lap it up like the idiots they are.
Doesn't look many people are lapping it up to me, in fact it looks like a lot of people are just ready to jump ship now
Anyone remember https://blog.unity.com/community/updated-terms-of-service-and-commitment-to-being-an-open-platform ?
It's pretty disingenuous that they still focus on the specifics of the new fees when they real problem is that they're going back on saying they won't introduce retrospective changes to their terms of service in the first place.
None of what they say now matters if they can just change it again in future. Sure, maybe only 10% of developers will be hit with the new fee, but how many will be affected by the next one? Why stick with Unity if you can't trust them to screw you over next? You can't plan your finances years in advance if they can totally change the fee structure with only a few months notice.
Can they get sued for being liars
"we will work directly with you" my ass, this entire statement stinks
>"we will work directly with you"
That just means you will be redirected to a third party compliance team that has been instructed to do everything they can to maxime how much money they get out of you. 80% chance of everybody in that team having indian names.
Send a complaint email
Oh sure, a stern email like what these politicians do will surely do the trick.
Okay thanks
Too late. Frick Unity. They committed financial seppuku. GODOT is about to get very popular.
They're backpedalling somewhat from this particular change, but the damage is done. When your game is built around an engine licensed from a third party, you need to have either a very high degree of trust in the engine dev, or total legal rights to do whatever you want with the engine without involving the original devs.
Small teams will pivot to Godot, larger ones to Unreal, and that will be that.
Devs aren't the major problem here, they want to charge nintendo, ps and microsoft for every free unity game install using their online service.
Either ricci has lost his mind or has some deal with mihoyo to crash the company and sell it for penuts without nobody caring.
What's to stop mihoyo from doing something similar to their competitors in the event that they do buy unity? Actual question because I can't help but think that this is going to start a wave of paranoia that forces everyone to start making their own engines.
Unity is the de facto mobile engine I'm pretty sure mihoyo would be happy just by having unity for themselves and force the competition to move to something else.
>"hey, AAA company, you're good to cover for these users install fees, right?"
>bill gates and nintendo and gaben and many other game studios meet secretly in a dark room in an undisclosed location
>all shake hands
>all nod
>the next morning the unity CEO wakes up with a horse head in his bed
big corps usually have back room deals for their engines that are completely different to what indies get. probably not affected by this news at all.
>Not backing down
RIP Unity. Would never engage with this going forward
Well, they got 6 months to revert their decision but I think the damage is beyond repair at this point.
imagine being this out of touch with your userbase
cant wait until someone makes a good free open source 3D engine
>go on twitter
>nothing but sub-200 follower indie "developers" promoting their shit game under the guise of caring about any of this Unity shit as if they're going to be affected
god this is funny
everyone is going to be effected, unity is dead.
>HEHEHE
> FREE GAMES, INDIES, AND FREE TO PLAY IS FRICKED
> TRIPLE A IS SHIT
> THIS IS GOOD
Frick you moron
Indies are keeping the soul alive
If I was Godot or something I would use this opportunity to advertise my engine as an alternative.
They're really getting confident bringing up their "install count" by the end
Do they still charge you for a FREE game that makes no income? i.e just putting up hobby shit on itch.io?
This is what I want to know, I play a ton of those.
Yes. They claim they won't charge for demos though and god knows how they'll enforce that. God knows how they'll enforce half of this. They don't even seem to know.
Unbelievable.
Free games are affected too, yes. even your hobbies shit will cost money
probably, and if not now, then later, or theyll just pretend to not notice some aberrant installs from pirate and vengeful and count them as legit and demand hundreds of thousands of dollars from you suddenly
it needs to make at least $200k
Did you guys really not read the chart?
Theres an income AND install threshold. You have to hit both to trigger a per install.
And as israelitey as this whole thing is, the average dev isn't going to have to pay a dime. This is clearly an cashgrab thats more or less going after big devs or gamepass style buffet services.
>Did you guys really not read the chart?
didn't even glance at it to be tbh
Honestly, if AAA gaming was only going to be affected I wouldn't give a frick because I refuse to consume slop, but they aren't gonna stop there upcharging big companies for using their services.
>they came for the AAA developers, and I said nothing because I was not a AAA developer
>we're only targeting the companies who have the money to sue us into oblivion
The game has to make money to reach both threshold
Pure free is fine. There's a revenue threshold.
Freemium/Free With Ads/Patreon Rewards gets cucked. If there's any money involved, they want it.
did they really just double down?
Godot chads win again
That's a lot of word spaghetti just for them to say "too bad yank, now pay the tea tax!"
>Fraudulent installs
What the frick am I reading?
>Fraudulent installs
AI generated Gankercore
They announced devs would be charged per install of their game. A bunch of people immediately pointed out that people could install, uninstall and reinstall a game (or worse make a script to do that) in order to put a massive financial burden on a dev they have a vendetta against. They are tryin to explain they totally won't charge devs for that, super seriously!... while also offering no explanation on how they will prevent it. They claim hardware ids as if it isn't trivial as frick to spoof hardware and use virtual machines.
Software can be either installed or uninstalled.
There's no such thing as a "fraudulent install".
This is some Hyper israelite shit.
it's up to the developer to convince them that it's not legitimate, i imagine it'll go about as well as dealing with youtube over false DMCAs
Unity thinks they can fool people into thinking they have some super hidden tech that can detect a pirate or someone clearly fricking with installs.
Obviously. They CAN'T tell who's actually doing it. In a worse case. They might even just ignore it and tell the dev "Lol pay up homosexual"
VERIFICATION CAN?!
PLEASE SIP YOUR DEW AND SCAN IT PLEASE
>hey what are you in for?
>stole a car and led police on a high speed pursuit, you?
>I installed a game too many times
This is worse than no statement at all lmao
What the frick were they thinking?
people can still spoof mac addresses and it would still count as a new install right?
yes
the only way to stop install fraud would be to force so many security features on every single unity game that developers would have no choice but to abandon unity. you could force an account system and require tpm 2.0 to run games but you'd cut off so many users that your game would not be financially viable. unity is going to need to just make up numbers to avoid install fraud, but nobody sane is going to do business with a company that requires you to pay randomly generated fees. unity's only way out of this is to scrap the install fee completely, but the problem is that they've killed all trust with this announcement so there's no hope for growth, ever. if you're starting out and deciding what engine to use you're not gonna use unity, you'll use godot for 2d or unreal for 3d, unity is so unpredictable that investing time into learning it is a huge risk.
seems like a pump and dump scheme
What should I do if I want to make a free porn game now? Unity was literally the perfect engine for it.
Unity has posted on the reddit thread in regards to piracy counting as installs since the installer itself is phoning home, so DRM bypass does nothing.
Their response is that developers will be given "tools" and will need to file claims and proof to remove pirated copy fees from their account. Devs need to do all the work to stop piracy and in the end still need Unity to approve the removal of the fees. Holy fricking LMAO, this engine is 100% dead. Congrats Unreal and Godot, you've got a lot of new users coming
This is what I found most ridiculous. Every case of piracy is supposed to be taken up with their support team (which I'm sure would be a 1 month wait per request at best)?
Just unbelievable moronation
lmao
How the frick can they even determine if they are fraudulent?
This sounds so shady they can just start charging devs extra and claim its fraud
*claim its not fraud
>yeah, we have no way of telling the difference between a legitimate copy and a pirated one, just file a ticket with customer service if you think someone pirated your game, trust us, we totally care about this just as much as you do
what an amazing news. now piracy actually hurts garbo devs. cool
>Enjoy dealing with their fraud department, I'm sure it's well staffed with trained people. lol.
Insider here. They want to cash-in on genshin impact. There was a recent shareholders hearing in which Riccitiello was boasting about what market share they hold and what part of that Genshin contributes to. Then one of the shareholders asked how they are benefiting from Genshin's success and there was an awkward silence. These meetings are public, there should be recording if anyone wants to go back and clip it. I believe it was the Q2 hearing.
pls gib more insider info. Also, I heard a rumor that there was an executive at unity who sexually Harrases people a while ago. is that true?
>we want to acknowledge the confusion
gaslighting right of the bat huh
It's obvious WHY they are doing this, its just also obvious that it isn't going to work.
If I owned shares I'd be selling all of them. This company won't exist in 2 years
>getting millions in extra revenue from chink apps is bad for the company
Yes. Because nobody is ever, ever going to trust them or use them again.
i sincerely doubt the top earner mobile apps will suddenly spend resources trying to move their games to another engine that they will still have to pay royalties on anyway (no none of them will use godot unfortunately)
indie devs are inconsequential in the big picture and are a very small source of revenue for unity
>detonating TNT on all potential future earnings growth or customers for a temporary piece of the mobile pie
again, doesn't really change the truth of my point.
They won't. Worse case scenario everything in-game will get more expensive in the next 6 months and people have to hope and pray they break even or risk shutting down the servers.
>implying CCP will allowed them to extorting their money makers
>Fraudulent OS
>Fraudulent Game
>Fraudulent Install
>Fraudulent Uninstall
>Fraudulent Negative Review
Yup, it's indie gaming time
Always interesting to see how the hi/v/emind shifts their opinions on a daily basis. Yesterday it was
>HAHAHAHA FRICK THESE DEVS
Today it's the sobering realization that greedy corporations will continue do whatever the frick they want despite justified outrage.
naw it's still frick em
there's no good unity shit outside of tormented souls unless you can think of something else
Furi is amazing
but i love corporations fricking sideways indie shitters
Well 90 percent of unity "devs" were the most arrogant type of devs. Even unreal gays weren't as bad. They had it coming it and not learning any other programming skills
Still. There are good unity games I enjoyed. Shame those devs are gonna be going broke soon because of these new policy.
Way more people were shitting on this decision than supporting it yesterday. You are lying for your weird ass narrative which isn't even that interesting. Stop picking 2 or 3 posts per 500 and acting like that represents all of Ganker. gay.
Fire John homietiello
>90% of our customers wont be effected
in other words, the only people who would be effected were the people actually releasing games
no shit
apology already off to a shaky start
I like Unity and I actually have the Unity editor open right now. But I want them to burn because Ganker showed me all the israelites involved. I'm not joking, my opinion just did a 180 today.
unless Unity has a way to auto-deduct from these companies they'll have to take each company to court aka Unity would go bankrupt with court fees alone.
>statement isn't "sorry we are reversing this moronic decision immediately"
Yeah cool.
There is like zero chance this would hold up in court right? Retroactively charging people for the use of a tool you are selling them seems absurd
what's funny is even if you wanted to prevent this from happening and delist your game from steam, you still can't stop it because anyone who bought it is still free to download and install it over and over again
There are rare cases where devs fully delete their game from Steam
>Delist game
>Still own because of Steam's policy not taking away delisted games unless its illegal to own
>Ditto for something like GoG
>Own game
>Reinstill and fake spoof new ips
hehehehehe
But this just means you wasted all your time developing your game lmao
>Retroactively charging people for the use of a tool you are selling them seems absurd
theryre not retroactively charging people theyre wording it wrong. they are changing the license agreement so it takes into account overall past sales and then charges them in the future based on it.
doubt that courts would care. MS Sony and Nintendo could sue Unity and everything will just get thrown out.
The retroactive charging doesn't mean retroactive before the change, you will only be charged for game installs made after 1/1/2024. What is "retroactive" is that the minimum installs before a fee kicks in are retroactively charged once you reach the fee.
Example: You create a game and release it in February 2024, you are now in the new fee system. For your first 200,000 sales you pay no fee. However, once you make your 200,001st sale, you are now retroactively charged for all 200,000 prior sales, meaning your 200,0001st sale instantly sends you a $40,000 bill
Imagine a game getting mass refunded. Christ. What an ass fricking.
>Example: You create a game and release it in February 2024, you are now in the new fee system. For your first 200,000 sales you pay no fee. However, once you make your 200,001st sale, you are now retroactively charged for all 200,000 prior sales, meaning your 200,0001st sale instantly sends you a $40,000 bill
It's worse than I thought
no it's for sales past the 200k mark, the initial 200k aren't charged
>the minimum installs before a fee kicks in are retroactively charged once you reach the fee.
That doesn't seem legal because you didn't agree to that when you bought the license and released your game.
>That doesn't seem legal because you didn't agree to that when you bought the license and released your game.
No worries, when Unity updates later this month you get to either agree to those new terms for the developer account update, making it legal. Or request a developer account closure and terminate your product sales and avoid the fees fully!
It'll just be another example on a long list of stupid boomers allowing tech companies to perform unfair market practices because they don't understand technology.
It's made more galling by the fact they changed their terms of service to remove the bit that says they can't change the terms and apply them retroactively. They've outright lied to people who started developing years ago.
>We will work directly with you on cases where fraud and botnets are suspected of malicious intent.
I'm sure the company who stands to profit from fraudulent installs is going to be perfectly impartial in evaluating whether or not installs are fraudulent.
I imagine this will also severely frick over people who make an income from the asset store as well (assuming a mass exodus to other engines goes ahead)
If we lived in a just society the people behind this decision would be executed. They are destroying many livelihoods for no real reason.
Not just the asset store. Think of the entire industry that has built up around teaching game development using Unity. There's an entire ecosystem they've poisoned because nobody has faith in them any more.
this one i dont feel bad about. as a dev, screw asset flippers and the horse they rode in on.
Anyone else waiting to see where all the talent goes?
So indies are going to stay away from it because they will be afraid of their game going viral like amogus. Pretty ebin.
In a way it's pretty impressive they've created a dynamic where people are actually scared of their game becoming too successful.
>Make game
>Its a hit
>Get charged
>Make game
>Its a flop but years later becomes a hit
>STILL get charged
lel
It really is incredible. I can't imagine a bigger frick up.
It's like the most brazen attempt at tall poppy syndrome I've ever seen lmao, the moment you're too successful Unity is just gonna leap from the bushes and go straight for your jugular
I'd call it a hostage situation rather than a dynamic but okay
an indie dev using unity can now be fricked over overnight by a tax bill if some youtuber plays them and kicks them over the limit, for being successful, yes.
imagine you made and posted a dumb joke meme game months or even years ago, forgot about it, and now owe the unity company millions of dollars you dont have
if you are a working dev. REMOVE DOWNLOAD LINKS FOR YOUR UNITY GAME SO YOU DONT GO BANKRUPT
so protesting a game via "buy on steam then refund" will be a thing now
we've been doing that for years. where have you been?
what
N-no anon they will know if someone is doing this (yet to be disclosed how)
And if you think someone is doing this y-you can submit a mountain of support tickets instead of making your game...
>F2P mobile game with microtransactions
>Could have millions of downloads with only 1-2% of users ever spending a dollar on it
>Gain $200k against 10 million installs
>"Give us all your money."
see
its already happening.
that one was calculated based on his misconceptions about the new model though
If there's one thing I've learned it's that EU chads constantly have to keep American israelites in check. I wouldn't be surprised if we came to the rescue again for you guys
>previous credits:
>refunds on steam
>not allowed to raise price before discounting a game
How did you guys get all the sane boomers anyway?
It's simple, Euro didn't get the same post war boom America did. They had decent times, but they were still living in piles of rubble rebuilding everything from scratch as their continent was bombed to dust. Greedy boomers are the result of American style hyper prosperity in the post war boom where they were handed life on a silver platter and became extremely entitled and greedy.
NTA but the EU's regulatory bodies are staffed by a bunch of European parties meaning a hodge podge of old/new interests clashing and having to negotiate. EU parliament has coalitions and no single party is "too big" to do anything, meaning the chance of boomers being able to outdo chaos/people voting with self interest is severely hampered
No one wants to own 500 charging cables so Apple would've had to lobby 100+ parties to stop a vote that would buckbreak them for example
Europe wasn't subjected to 40 years of russians and israelites brainwashing us 24/7.
The EU still sucks but when it comes to tech shit, yeah. You guys are alright.
Refunds on steam are because of Australian consumer law. Nice try homosexual.
>suddenly reminded it took years for the refund system to hit globally and it made devs assmad when it did
14 day refunds are there because of the EU. I assume everyone on steam from every region can refund a game before 14 days are up and not just EU citizens
If you from the UK then its 30 days refund on steam.
at most what the eu will do is make it so they cant charge money retroactively for sales and has to honor previous license agreements with already existing games.
they wont be able to change anything for newly released games after the change.
>and has to honor previous license agreements with already existing games.
That would be enough. Anyone that's moronic enough to release a game after deserves it
I love that we have the power to tell Apple to stop fricking with the power chargers or they won't be allowed to do business anymore. Americans have the most purchasing power in the world, they could throw their weight (lmao) around and get a bunch of beneficial rights if they wanted but they don't know how
>they could throw their weight (lmao) around and get a bunch of beneficial rights if they wanted but they don't know how
No we can't, our system is actually set up to frick us over if we try anything
>You need insurance
>Good insurance REQUIRES a job
>If you become a political activist opposing tptb they punish you by making you unemployable
>If that doesn't work the CIA just kills you outright
>Also the same people you must work through in the legal system are the same ethnicity as the people oppressing you
You really have to give Unity credit for coming up with the most moronic monetization fee ever.
I think you can contact Valve or GoG to remove your game from being redownloaded from their servers. Google did it with Flappy Bird.
They got a big one to reply
https://twitter.com/MegaCrit/status/1702077576209207611
>the removed TOS
ONE MILLION INSTALLS!
>They installed? Good
Rust - https://garry.net/posts/unity-can-get-fricked
Among Us - https://twitter.com/InnerslothDevs/status/1701731398498013575
Cult of the Lamb - https://twitter.com/cultofthelamb/status/1701715971663425897
Oh god, they keep coming
wow
Someone's doing the list here
https://twitter.com/FrickedByUnity
>Let's not make the same mistake again, Rust 2 definitely won't be a Unity game.
Destroyed
>amogus devs
>Stop it. Wtf?
i hate them so much
>We had 10 years to make our own engine and never did. I'm sure a lot of game companies are feeling the same today.
WAH WAH WAH WAH
Exactly you had 10 years
>Let's not make the same mistake again, Rust 2 definitely won't be a Unity game.
Garry is gonna crawl back to Gaben for Source 2 for Rust 2
lol, how many games are affected by this?
like 30%? 50%?
They say 10%, but it is clearly way more
100%
Not all are going to have to pay the new fee, but everyone is affected by them trying to retroactively change their terms of service.
Unity is fricking everywhere, it makes up like 70% of all steam releases
https://steamdb.info/tech/
It's also over 80% of mobile releases. This is the biggest catastrophe in gaming development in a long time. They either revert this, or game dev (especially indie) is going to go through a massive upheaval and reorganization. Godot needs to pull as much funding as they can and finally get proper console and mobile support, they are standing to gain the biggest influx of users imaginable.
>RPG maker 2661
>Godot 898
The weak should fear the strong.
honestly surprised by that one considering how much I see Godot praised
Really? By now you should realize that the smaller the tech footprint the yappier the devs are, like with dogs.
Godot is like GIMP. It's a very cultist heavy, over praised, overhyped open sores alternative to much, MUCH better software and it's nowhere near as good as any of them no matter how hard the shills try and pretend otherwise.
However, I do think Godot also has potential to overcome that, but they have frick all funding and seriously need to solve that problem. They need to get their engine into a few big hype games that can result in a Blender style funding scheme.
>However, I do think Godot also has potential to overcome that,
just like every other open source project
Rpg maker is much more older than godot. Surprised how no one thought about the obvious.
>RPGMaker going to have a resurgence again.
Finally, the return of cringe kino.
even fricking among us
Let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the... FLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
instead of making a statement just ditch the engine you cucks
if the statement in any way helped convince unity to rollback the policy changes, it would save them a lot of time and money
>Instead of trying to turn the tide at the cost of writing some words, just completely redo your game, retrain employees and pivot so hard that it costs you potentially millions
Be quiet while adults are talking
Wizards of the Coast had their sycophants when they tried to retroactively change the D&D Open Gaming License earlier in the year. But this change seems unilaterally hated. Even the Unity community is telling people to ditch Unity. Nobody is supporting this; at best there are people saying they won't change only because they've sunk too much into existing development.
It's apocalyptic levels of shooting yourself in the foot.
This isn't just shooting yourself in the foot this is just completely annihilating the leg
You think we're gonna see Unity cracks in the future?
thats capitalism in action, i thought you guys liked capitalism
please have a nice day
oh right, you rather stick your head in the sand than have any self reflection about how this what you actively defend
>Hurrr muh capitalism
Drink bleach if you can't see the difference between excessive israelite behaviour and normal working capitalism
its the same picture
go starve to death in a romanian ditch you worthless piece of shit
>trying to reason with moronic commies
Few notice that the phrase "capitalist" was popularized by none other than that bloody old israelite, Marx, himself -a ship-wrecker. (Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital). Until Marx told our kind of people they were "capitalists" in his "Das Kapital," they never gave what they were doing economically such a formal name, but they did know what they believed in. It was NOT "capitalism." Capital was only a tool for our people in the process of production. Men like Henry Ford were not interested simply in getting money. Rather they were trying to do something - in Ford's case, give all Americans an automobile via Ford's discovery of "mass production." The American economy does not produce miracles because it is "capitalist," but because it is enterprising and productive! The correct name of our system is not "capitalism," but "productive enterprise." Productive enterprise needs capital. But it also needs labor, material, management and a hundred other things. Capital is only one of the tools of a productive enterprise system. It took the israeli parasitic genius of Karl Marx to elevate that one tool, capital, to the status in our civilization by attacking it and calling it "capitalism." He has thus trapped us into defending what he created, and has thereby doomed us to defeat because we defend a system based not on production, but money manipulation. Capitalism is the naked worship of money, not as a tool, but as an idol! "Capitalism" as promoted by both sides in the crazy "capitalism" versus "Communism" sham fight going on, is taken to mean the making of money through the use of capital - not necessarily by working or producing. In fact, most international capital is made not by working/or producing or even taking any genuine risks, but by manipulations of vast pools of money with inside information from israelites in high positions.
It requires an insanely low IQ to attack property rights in the first place.
Communism is nothing more than the supreme arrogance of bottom feeders
Property rights and capitalism have nothing in common. The definition of capitalism is a system that allows the generation of capital using capital. Capitalism means usury, interest, insider trading, investors and every other nasty israeli trick in the book. You were tricked into marrying those capitalist traits with good things like private property and private enterprise.
private enterprise in industries that need high capital is pretty much impossible without investors
you are moronic
usury (or loans) make the economy more effective, maybe there should be laws to stop morons from destroying themselves with it but nothing wrong with the concept itself
without usury or interest, there would be no loans, without loans people would not be able to buy houses or cars until they saved for them for years, but with loans they can use them right away
>need high capital is pretty much impossible without investors
Incorrect. It only seems that way because inflation and usury have blown everything out of proportion. In the same way you used to be able to buy a house or a car after a few months of working minimum wage, you could also afford to start a business after some time spent working yourself. You're letting a israeli system of control and enslavement give itself job security.
how are you going to start something like a mine without investors?
this would mean only big companies or already rich entities would be able to go into industries with high capital requirements
this makes things much worse, not better
Government loan with no interest. That's how every healthy country with a healthy economy did it throughout the entirety of human history.
so basically communism
lmao
No, not at all. You don't understand the first thing about finance, do you?
I fail to see the problem. A static hierarchy prevents people from psychotically turning others into steppingstones in an attempt to move beyond their station.
Thank god we will own nothing in the future then. Frick the bankers and God bless lord vassal relationships!
you're really stupid. read a book dude. every single country in history that has ever banned usury has fricking skyrocketed in terms of production and wealth.
>ban wealth creation
I don't need to study history to know that you're a fricking moron. An incentive to share capital is GOOD.
Also, what you're saying? Not even true. It caused stagnation in the middle ages and has kneecapped the middle east to this day.
oh my god you are the dumbest person on the planet or you're an actual israelite.
You should move to Africa to live with people that share your values.
You should move to Israel. Oh wait, you're going to do that anyway when you get caught bloodletting children.
I'm not a fricking israelite you rabid idiot.
Your seething when I point out basic economic principles is embarrassing. You posting all this natsoc shit when Hitler built his economy on deficit spending is so fricking moronic it makes my head spin.
>"...all this natsoc shit when Hitler..."
israelite detected.
Thanks for playing Black person. I accept your concession.
Debate me you cowardly merchants. Why is feudalism any worse than what we have now?
You're the one ignoring all of my points. Instead you samegay me with a bunch of 60IQ anti-banking shit, which coincidentally is all from the 1700s because that was the last time anyone could in good faith ignore the mountain of evidence that banking contributes to economic growth.
I'm not the guy you were talking to. I just called you a merchant for comedic effect. But my question was actually sincere.
What's the worst thing that could happen if went back to feudalism but with modern technology?
Totalitarian governments have been failing hard in the 21st century, by my reckoning.
They are paper tigers that have more and more corruption over time. You only need to examine the war in Ukraine, or the night light satellite analyses of Chinese GDP that show their economy is 25-40% smaller than they say, to arrive at that conclusion.
Fundamentally, I believe it just leads to corruption and inefficiency. Appointing officials by private means, then threatening them with harsh consequences if they don't deliver perfect results.
Thank you for the well thought out response tbh.
wtf are you talking about. what does that have to do with my post
He's one of those morons that thinks feudalism was some kind of idyllic perfect system because he's a fricking loser that will never own anything or amount to anything so he wants 99% of society to be reduced to his level as illiterate peasants. It's the only way he'll ever feel secure.
I don't want to go to bat for feudalism but peasants were treated better than modern workers are. At least the king had to live in fear of peasant revolts so they were treated well with lots of holidays.
I don't know. half of that was a shit post the other half was a question because with age demographics it seems like the regression to it is probably inevitable.
Someone's projecting.
at this point /misc/ people just project whatever values they believe in onto hitler. the actual ideology doesn't matter anymore
>deficit spending
Print 100 dollars.
"I want a surplus!"
Try to tax 110 dollars.
So a problem?
The founding fathers were national socialists?
If you're not a israelite then you're incredibly stupid. You're defending an unsustainable system of israeli slavery because israelites told you it was for your own good. In reality money needs to be backed by labor or silver, it can't be backed by debt. Usury lets parasites generate money off of having money, which is inherently bad for society. You should only be making money if you're doing something useful for society. And that's before we even get into the fractional reserve principle, which blows your usury bullshit wide open.
someone should've told hitler that, maybe germany wouldn't have needed to invade other countries to deal with debts
Do you know anything about history? Hitler saved the German economy from crippling debt and inflation.
where did you learn about history
It's well known Hilter saved the German economy after it was ravaged by the treaty of versailles. The absolute state of the weimar republic versus the economic turn around Hilter brought was nothing short of a miracle. There isn't a historian on the planet that would even contest that. Where did you learn history? Holocaust class?
theres so much wrong with what you said but i know its not worth arguing with you since you are indubitably beyond reason
Everything he said is objectively correct. You're just a seething moron.
You're moronic.
stuff like this makes me think death drive is real
literally every person on the planet agrees that Weimar was being ravaged by inflation and that Hitler brought prosperity back to the German economy. whether you love or hate Germany, this fact isn't up for debate.
there's so much written about how fricked the german economy was. it was a giant ponzi scheme that involved bullying poor shitholes into unfair trade deals and started collapsing before they decided to just invade poland and hope that would solve their problems
browsing /misc/ does not count as education
>shitgremlin can only argue in bad faith
wow what a surprise
You've never read a history book in your life, have you?
again there's so much written about the nazi economy that you have to be willfully ignorant to think that it was a prosperous utopia and not on the verge of collapse
Hitler "saved" Germany from Weimar economy run by Mises and Dollfuss, by raising work hours, cutting wages, and unsustainably turning Germany's economy on loans, foreign wars, and the destruction of their and European industry in general. Nazi economics failed even harder than Communism did.
This isn't even a /misc/ thing. I'm sure even the most pozzed history textbook in existence would admit it. It's basic fact that isn't even disputed. Don't know why you're seething so much about it.
it's well known that if somebody on /misc/ tells you something then it's true. why would someone on the internet just lie that doesn't make any sense
Hitler privatized the entire economy, and privatized the 4 biggest banks. This is not the win for your argument that you think it is.
m8 are you mentally damaged? the whole thing started because of israelites running german economy to the ground
the nazi economy was perfect, why would /misc/ ever lie to me?
Germany's economy was the most prosperous in the world before the war. Even the Allies admit this, they say outright that it was their main motivation for attacking Germany.
No, their main motivation for attacking Germany was that they kept invading their neighbours. Frick you hunnic pig.
Germany never invaded any country that wasn't already attacking them. Are you seriously taking post hoc propaganda as fact?
>germany dindu nuffin
is this a screencap of a random page of a book that you saved from /misc/?
It's from A History of Central Banking. Read it if you want to stop being a dumb moron.
lol i see that book posted all the time by /misc/ homosexuals, you only read it because they told you to and there is a 100% chance you've never read anything else on the nazi economy
I've never been to /misc/. Finance is where my education is. I've also read The Creature from Jekyll Island, On the Abolition of Interest Slavery and dozens of others. Maybe you'd look less stupid if you took arguments by their own merits instead of rejecting them before you've even heard them because they don't agree with the propaganda you've been told your entire life about how great usury is.
Damn this homie hitting these brainwashed lefturds with hard truth bombs.
It's amazing how quickly you had to move the goalposts from business loans to national currencies, because fundamentally you know that you are wrong. Really really wrong, and stupid really for hurling so many insults when "usury" is obviously a great incentive for the private sector.
I didn't move any goalposts. You're just wrong and looking for a way to weasel out. Truly pathetic and israeli behavior.
You do need to study history. Badly. You have absolutely no fricking clue what you're talking about.
Name one reason feudalism is bad.
You're really, really stupid and extremely wrong.
You'd need to read several books to stop being such a fricking dumbass, but this video is the brief version.
Money is supposed to be a representation of labor. The end result of usury is an exponential wealth disparity in which those with money will amass unending amounts of wealth by using money to breed more money and effectively making slaves out of everyone else.
He's right, you're just a gullible moron who believes blatant propaganda. Usury is bad for every nation that allows it. It creates a parasitic class that siphons wealth away from the country. It doesn't generate wealth, it destroys it by building debt upon debt until the currency is meaningless.
>Also, what you're saying? Not even true. It caused stagnation in the middle ages
I can't believe Rabbi Heebergstein not being able to charge a very modest 5% interest compounded every Sabbath per shekel lent hamstrung middle age Europe. Oh wait, it fricking didn't; that was the epidemic that killed 1/4 of the continent's population which led to a gigantic labor shortage and drastic slowdown of production.
>private enterpise in industries that need lots of money is pretty much impossible without people that have access to lots of money
>defends israelite bottomfeeders profiting by giving people money temporarily on the promise they pay the amount + tip as though it's some sacred instituition to keep the world spinning
>doesn't understand that goods are priced based upon the value of a currency and currency is valued based upon the amount in circulation and its liquidity and people's trust in its stability
You have as much financial literacy as the average Ganker poster. I can't believe no one lived in a house until capitalism was invented.
>wall of text
the right can't meme
Had me a sensible chuckle even if the intentional linebreaks is a shameless attempt to farm (You)s off of "hurr reddit spacing" replies
No one likes a greedy company you homosexual.
thats the entire point of capitalism, be a greedy company or get beaten out by greedier competitors. at least that pesky big government isnt preventing this with consumer laws.
no you dumb Black person, the point is to offer a service for a price that is better than the competition
this is the exact opposite of that and their moronic business decisions means their company will go bankrupt
i.e. this is a example of capitalism working as intended, dumbass decisions result in shit companies getting deleted (outcompeted) by market forces
ever notice how rent is going up everywhere but wages arent. huh. you'd think rents would go lower because they want to be offer the best deal. or food prices would go lower to be better than the competition. maybe you dont know what capitalism is when done in america. Do you think Unity would have done this if they didn't think they could get away with it?
they aren't going to get away with it, devs are ditching unity
inflation is unrelated to capitalism moron
inflation is caused by corporations just charging more because frick you, you'll pay it
moron
>a report from the Kansas City Fed found that nearly 60% of inflation in 2021 was because of corporate profits.
https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-reconsidering-how-much-corporate-profits-drive-inflation
inflation is a spiral
please god think harder before you post you stupid fricking communist
(Jou)
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please god think harder about how corporations are posting all time profits after raising prices and saying it was because of inflation. If they were just offsetting the cost of production, their profits would have been the same.
the link you posted said they raised them in anticipation of even higher costs in the future, which actually happened
and they want to keep the same margins (percentage of profits), not absolute profit you moron
so you would expect 50% from profits and 50% from other sources basically, what you posted was 60% from profits due to anticipation of more cost increases
but even framing it in this way is absolutely moronic
In 2022, Big Oil companies reported record profits of $219 billion.
This was more than the economic output of most countries.
The profits were due to a combination of strong markets, production, and cost control.
The companies used their earnings to reward shareholders with higher dividends and share buybacks.
I'm actually more confused how so many places can't hire people to work. Even my work is understaffed looking for people.
How is anyone surviving without a job? Is it all welfare people?
living with friends/family with jobs and scraping by with odd jobs and savings
everyone needs more workers, nobody wants to actually hire the people looking for work; welcome to the economy run by women
>understaffed looking for people
Then you are offering shit wages and/or turning away applicants. It's not difficult to understand.
Basically every company always has non-existant openings listed nowadays. First of all it makes them look like they're growing which is mandatory for our israelited system. Second, if a particularly good applicant comes along they can replace their least favorite employee.
Unironically yes because it is difficult to get a decent paying job iob any job at all. If a place is understaffed and are refusing applications theres not much you can do.
Let me guess, they tell you there's just nobody worth hiring and then make you work longer hours?
How long are you going to go through life without thinking critically? Dumb frick
I can't work longer hours because its a union job.
They'll have to pay me extra.
Also, its a School job and it wouldn't make sense.
In China they hire 30 people to do the job of 1 person. In America they hire 1 person to do the job of 3 people, while promising him they'll hire more people soon so they won't be so short handed. After 2 years of this he eventually realizes they're not actually looking to hire more people and quits, so they hire a new guy to do the work of 3 people...
This seems like a extremely risky strat considering how easy it is too lose half of your employees in less then a few days. Hell, some people just walk out on the first day.
I don't think Walmart can be run by a single employee, they'll lose far more money than just hiring more people.
Because they know people are so desperate that they'll keep working to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table especially in the current economic climate, and then run them ragged so they don't have the energy or will to find another job.
They have no shortage of applications, anon. They could hire up to full capacity in a week if they wanted to. But they don't. Hiring people is expensive, employees are easily the highest cost to any business. So you reduce headcount and increase workload while keeping pay the same.
There is no shortage of people willing to work. None. This "shortage" you've heard about doesn't mean what you think it means. It means that the number of spare applications they have on hand to fill positions when people quit unexpectedly has dropped below the safe threshold and they might actually have to start raising wages or offering better benefits to encourage people to apply.
This fixes and clarifies absolutely nothing and the fact they're still trying to go through with it means it's truly over.
They could easily just charge that 20 cents on purchases instead and have it be far clearer and make more money off the games that never end up getting installed. The fact they're trying to stick with installs means they want to keep the ability dip in for that 20 cents as many times as possible.
>and the fact they're still trying to go through with it means it's truly over.
Yeah I initially thought this was one of those "Overdo and roll back for praise" situations where you want to make an unpopular change, so you make a MASSIVELY unpopular one, then play the good guy and say "We listened, we love you, we're rolling it back a bunch" and roll back to your originally intended plan except now people love you for it.
But nope, this looks pretty final. Unity lost $921,000,000 last year, the investors are done, they want money.
The beginning of the end was 2020 when it had its IPO.
Wall Street is a fricking cancer to this world. FRICK investor wienerroaches
>and roll back to your originally intended plan except now people love you for it
I mean people are forgetting about the other bullshit they're pulling. They're going always online now and killing their middleground option to force people into the highest tier. I thought they might roll back the install thing to get away with stuff like the above, but it really does look like they want the whole shebang.
>Unity lost $921,000,000 last year, the investors are done, they want money.
Maybe Unity shouldn't have 7700 employees. They literally have more employees than some of these examples:
Nexon (7467)
Nintendo (7317)
Square Enix (4712)
Blizzard (4700)
Playstation (4000)
Epic Games (3746)
Capcom (3207)
Roblox (2128)
Valve (1139)
Just give it to me straight. Is this legal? Yes or no?
Yes but actually no.
anything is legal if you're israeli and/or rich
so yes
No you cannot charge a developer on a subscription model for an already released product based on ToS they never agreed to when the product was released.
It's a clusterfrick. The second that Unity tries to send to a bill to anybody who has ties to a bigger company then Unity is going to get sued into the ground.
>The second that Unity tries to send to a bill to anybody who has ties to a bigger company then Unity is going to get sued into the ground.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall if they tried this shit with one of Microsofts IPs.
It likely will be Microsoft. The only other players big enough to get seriously pissed and get legal if their studios get sent a bill are Mihoyo and Nintendo. Mihoyo will probably not be charged this fee, they have a special sweetheart deal where they pay boatloads of cash for a license that's above even Enterprise, they get full source code access to the engine and editor and use a heavily customized version on their end. Unity will likely play it smart and simply consider their license fee all the payment needed and not charge the install fee.
Not sure about Nintendo's relationship with them
It's quasi-legal. In that it's not explicitly against any laws, but there's no judge anywhere on earth that would side with Unity if they were taken to court over it, because pulling the rug out from under people who went into business with you in good faith is something literally nobody likes.
And this is the reason why corpos push to resolve these cases through arbitration.
really homie
>OH MEIN FAUCI I HAVE TO CHARGE 12 CENTS MORE GAMING HAS FALLEN
how do they count installs without phoning home? do they mean mobile store installs? are they moronic?
you're not legally allowed to question the holocaust or this
let's say you install a game on a VM. And then you reset your VM to an earlier snapshot and install the game again. Is there any way for the game to know it has been installed before on that device?
And they can't be using IP addresses, since this is mainly intended to detect people installing a game on multiple devices in their home which would all be on the same local area network.
>it only affects the guys that can turn tail and ditch us as fast as possible
sure bud
>we're not going to charge for fraudulent charges
how will they prove what's faud and what isn't, literally just Trust me bro
>we're not going to count web and streaming towards your count
didn't they fricking say it they where going to be charging the fricking hosts?
>no response from Kerbal devs
sus
didnt that game bomb?
KSP2 did, but 1 no
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Just a reminder
>The latest new Fire emblem game is running on Unity, where the IP is owned by Nintendo
>F/GO is on unity, who's owned by aniplex. who's owned by Sony
>Genshin is miHoYo
>A whole bunch of other popular mobile games on unity ran by big companies like, bamco, Capcom etc etc
>Unity tries to charge them
>Unity gets fricked in courts
>Unity literally dies by greed
Unity trying to nab on vidya industry super titans sure is going to be funny when one of them realize their bullshit and move their massive influences to completely destroy unity.
Sony alone will flatten them.
all the big boys have multiple games running on Unity. I really want see those homosexuals go up against all of them.
homie Call of Duty mobile runs on Unity. Bobby is going to rail them lmao
Also Escape from Tarkov is on Unity 🙁
>always
Waiting on Trump president any day now.
Waiting for 3 billion people to die from the vaxx any day now
Unity is going to have every blood sucking lawyer from any major studio using unity shoving their fetid wieners in every hole the instant a bill hits any of them.
Tinfoil hat time
This is a coordinated ploy to kill indie developers because gaming is one of the biggest cultural threats atm; over the course of the next decades the people in charge really want to push gaming to be exclusively through Microsoft Sony etc so they can have more control over the content. Games such as ex Genshin are a threat with pretty girls
MS, Sony, NIntendo, Capcom, Bandai, Konami, Square Enix, EA and many other power houses have games made on unity under them. fricking moron
Even if Unity were to fully back off they did an insane amount of damage to the brand. No one is going to trust them after this.
I fully expect tons of major unity games to be announcing plans to go to a new engine in the future and for unity adoption to drop off a cliff. All you need is one scare like this to completely destroy faith in your company.
How hard would it be for epic to port fall guys over to unreal?
I'm sure they could throw one of their Fortnite teams on it for a couple weeks and get it ported.
Pretty hard, but Epic would probably win a lawsuit as long as they don't allow Tim Sweeny to open his dumb fricking mouth.
Unreal is C++
Unity is C#
I heard C++ is meme hard language
I'm an idiot and I was able to learn C++
C++ can be hard because you can do the same task in 200 different ways, this freedom comes at the cost of the language not holding your hand, still doesn't mean you should make simple things complicated, that's the biggest problem with anti-C++ gays(and modern "programmers" in general) they think because you can you should make things unnecessarily complicated.
tldr C++ is as complicated as you want it to be.
two ways about it, depending on the nature of your game:
>high reliance on the actual codebase, only use unity for asset management and rendering
might as well go monogame. not a huge deal, though incredibly annoying and wasteful nonetheless
>high reliance on proprietary unity stuff like scenes, gameobjects, etc.
you are a lot more fricked. but if you have less code to work with, then it's easier to port all your assets into something like unreal and more or less rebuild the game from ground up.
So they're literally confirming Unity is botnet?
Unity games have had telemetry forever. This is just the first time they're using it maliciously.
Imagine being the BattleBit devs right now
oh frick that is unity too, frick
>start charity
>attach game to charity
>make $30 the only donation option
>no unity fees
But what do you do with the money so that it is considered a valid charity?
Provide rent and living expenses to needy game devs who reside at my current address.
>more than 90%
That sounds like it'll affect every Unity game you've ever heard of. What percentage of Unity releases are asset flip garbage that nobody buys? Probably above 99%
Steam alone has like 40,000 unity games on it and I'm betting nobody's heard of 99% of those.
i cant fricking believe they changed twitter to not let me read responses without an account. sick shit really
What about EU privacy laws? They'd basically be datamining people's devices for serial numbers and other identifying factors.
They think they won't get sued when this happens:
>Ganker cracked the problem in less then 24 hours and now anyone can botnet a unity dev into being homeless
you crazy bastards are amazing.
welp, this seems like the right thread to post this, so I'll just go ahead and risk that ban
huh? I don't really know much about the communist takeover in russia, is this before or after the royals get massacred?
Before. The people who massacred the royals were all American israelites sent there by American banks.
They were sent because the Russian leadership didn't want to let international banks print and control their currency.
The highlighted text is written by a guy at The Washington Observer, you can see its label at the top. It's not a CIA publication. The reason you can find it in the CIA reading room is because it falls in the CREST program, which is an archive for historical writings and newspapers entries. It is very obviously saved there because the article itself is about an agent who got killed in Greece, in addition to Watergate's leak.
>no mentioning how they will register installs
>no word on telemetry
>no statement how any of it is GDPR compliant
At this point I am convinced they plan to cash in with information brokering selling off the collected fingerprints to however pays for them.
This is what rubs me poorly. Likely never going to play or install another unity game again.
They went full israelitetard. You never go full israelitetard.
Question. Why cant they just to a Royalty cut like nearly every other game engine out there? Doing it based on purchases by the game itself and other aspects such as microtransactions is much more tangible than just straight up "we are guessing installs".
It shouldnt be that hard cause thats the god damn norm
Because they want to kill indies. AAAs will be fine and can negotiate a better deal behind closed doors.
It feels like a calculated move to destroy the company by the corporate raider executives.
Because they need money, badly. Unity has existed for 18 years, in that time they had ONE QUARTER where they turned a profit. Under John Riccitello Unity went from ~50 million lost per year to 971 million in 2022. The investors are fuming, they want money and they want it now.
But why didn't they just increase the price on their existing monetization methods instead of full going moron. Would've been 200% less controversial to just say "yeah, we're making your subscription more expensive."
They are throwing a hail mary. Their company was likely going down the shitter anyway, so they might as well try something radical and hope that it somehow works out.
Calling it now, Google will buy Unity when its value tanks to shit and they'll open source it to try and fix its reputation, while also shoving adSense and other tracking crap inside. Save this post.
>google
oh noes
https://killedbygoogle.com/
>Google
frick no, at this point I'd rather Microisraelite bought it, at least it'd last a few years longer before being shut down.
On the plus side if they abandon it hopefully some community/org will fork the code and continue it.
>Fraudulent install chargers: we will work with you in suspected cases
What will happen here is that they will initially charge the developer for any fees until the charge is finished being disputed like with credit cards. Furthermore, they will handle these in batch’s, they will in no situation wipe more than the cost of the subscription in a single batch. They will not hire the appropriate amount of staff for this, there will be a backlog immediately. There will be developers not being targeted by false installs wanting to dispute charges. Unity will receive charge backs and charging by companies who didn’t agree with disputes. This will need huge overhead for new staff to deal with these issues, they will need more lawyers.
What if all this shit is basically AI decision.
oy vey
Don't like it? Build your own engine. It's a free country and a free market. You agreed to the Terms of Service.
> Build your own engine
That's unironically what we're going to see happen. Microsoft has the resources to build a new engine but they also have 2 trillion dollars in market cap, so they can literally just buy Unity without even waiting for their stock to implode.
>You agreed to the Terms of Service
Except that this new change voids any previous contract and ToS.
>By agreeing to these Terms of Service, you agree to all future Terms of Service no matter what changes we make.
Shoulda read the fine print homosexual!
>Open thread
>Check replies
>Instant goatse'd
T-thanks
So that's it for my WEGs huh.
It's insane that this applies to games that have already been released for years under a different ToS. It's scummy either way, but it would at least be somewhat more sensible if it only applied to new games going forward. This feels crazy illegal, but presumably their legal team actually approved it?
charging for installs is just fricking stupid, there is no reasonable way to track that without being insanely invasive
and even then, not sure how you would actually track if someone installs it multiple times
They're so hungry for that Genshin money that they went full moron
China will make sure the israelites working at Unity China will revert the changes unless they want to get their body organs stolen
This is on the Unity forum from their own lawyers:
>Our terms of service provide that Unity may add or change fees at any time. We are providing more than three months advance notice of the Unity Runtime Fee before it goes into effect. Consent is not required for additional fees to take effect, and the only version of our terms is the most current version; you simply cannot choose to comply with a prior version. Further, our terms are governed by California law, notwithstanding the country of the customer.
But can't you just stick with an older version of Unity that was licensed under different terms? Pretty sure that's how software has traditionally worked.
That's what the old version of the terms said you could do if you didn't agree with the new terms. But then they removed that from the latest terms and now say you have to use the latest.
They're doing the exact thing they said they wouldn't do in the previous version of the ToS.
>Further, our terms are governed by California law, notwithstanding the country of the customer.
Are they fricking moronic? They think that they can force any Unity dev anywhere in the world to have to follow California law? Do they have lawyers from Wish.com?
This whole line sucks. Regardless of ToS changes you have to consent to it regardless. Forcing compliance on a new ToS without the knowledge or approval is illegal as frick.
>Consent is not required for additional fees to take effect
Pretty sure this is EXTREMELY illegal in most first world countries.
It violates the basic principle of a market economy. It will never, ever hold up unless they bribe a fricking judge
m8 the people doing this run the game, they'll change rules when they feel like it
>Hello judge, I am a developer from EU and by EU laws, this is highly illegal in every regard
>Okay, you are right. Unity you are in the wrong
This is how it will go.
>Consent is not required for additional fees to take effect
Even someone with downs could win a court case against Unity by citing this line. What a fricking asinine thing to put into writing.
It is absolutely illegal and will never hold up
Breaking the law isn't allowed just because you made someone sign a contract
>but presumably their legal team actually approved it?
I doubt it. This entire thing smells like some CEO or another bigwig is just going nuts and throwing a bunch of shit around completely cluelessly. Look how fast they had a "regroup" and changed it from being every install or just being every initial install instead, and that demos and game pass were also not gonna be included.
They haven't cleared frick all with any kind of lawyers, I'm 99% sure.
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
i actually can't believe how moronic they are, what a fricking shame. huge fricking disaster for no reason
>AHHHH HELP ME OBAMA THEY'RE DOING HECKIN INSIDER TRADING!
>NO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS BUT I SAW IT ON R/OCCUPYWALLSTREET
Shut the frick up homosexuals. All public company executives get compensated in stock/options and have policies in place to occasionally sell some every year. John Riccitello sold 2,000 of his 3.2 million shares last week, that's not insider trading your fricking morons. The other people some a few thousand of their millions too.
>NOOO STOP THE COUNT JOOS JOOS JOOS
Piratecucks truly and unironically thought they could bankrupt companies by uninstalling and reinstalling their cracked games.
>captcha: ASS 44N
so you say but piracy is alive and well
surely this time the multibillion dollar enterprises who hire jeet subhumans to make their products will manage to win the arms race against the pirate master race
Is Ganker turning back towards being leftwing? Or are you guys just going to blame DA israeliteS for conducting business totally legally within the current business law framework established by Republicans?
>its legal goy, dont worry about it
Well people can defend the israelitery all the want but I'm going to vote with my wallet.
>vote with my wallet by sending a strongly worded letter about uninstalling a free game
I'm wasn't a free player 🙂
it wont affect genshin impact at all anon.
genshin is owned by mihoyo which is part owner of unity china.
>we're all moving our games out of unity
gamers != game developers
>We reserve the right to change this at and time, specifically on January 1st 2024 😉
Someone please lie to me and say that some rich dev's lawyers are getting ready to kick Unity's shit in.
You're going to vote with your wallet. You're going to uninstall every Unity game that you own. You're going to refuse to purchase any further games on steam/whatever until they completely disallow unity engine games.
??? This doesn't affect consumers at all you dunce. We're not the ones being hit with fees, the developers are. There's no way to "vote with your wallet".
(Jou)
>publishers won't make sweeping changes to their monetary structure to compensate for these charges
>it won't affect consumers!
lol
lmao even
Correct, they won't, because none of them will pay any of these fees, which are either totally unenforceable or totally illegal, or both.
>it's unenforceable!
>it's illegal!
>ITS NOT HAPPENING
you haven't even passed the denial phase yet, huh?
What kind of argument is this even supposed to be?
Well, consider that Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all directly or indirectly own big games made with unity. FGO is Unity, so is Genshin, Fire Emblem, most of the big gacha games. Imagine Unity tryign to send a bill to Sony or Microsoft.
>Just trust us, we'll only charge you when it's fair for us to do so
There is no way to enforce a model you refuse to specifically define, they are making this up as they go along. This is an announcement of turning unity into an extortion racket.
Jews being bad has been debunked guys.
>Trust us sir, I promise 500k people downloaded your game not 300k
kek anybody buying this is going to get kwabbed
so how long have unity games been tracking players?
Early access loses money now!
Steam now uninstalled too 🙂
Unity just admitted to being Israeli spyware. This is a big deal. Now people will wonder if Unreal Engine has similar spyware capabilities.
>Now people will wonder if Unreal Engine has similar spyware capabilities.
Considering anyone with a free Epic account can get the UE4 and 5 source code, go ahead and point to where it is.
So is this basically just admitting they're targeting Freemium games like Genshin impact?
And what did we learn today, class?
That you can poison the well by randomly starting to discuss how German spergouts were really cool and justifiable
We learned that /misc/Black folk are too stupid to understand interest rates, which great powers have been using since even before the industrial revolution?
>/pol/gays discussing economics
kek it's like seriously debating antivaxxgays
everything is a israeli conspiracy
bud that's not the look you want. even fauci admits that those shots were dangerous now.
>even fauci admits that those shots were dangerous now.
who are you trying to fool here lol
What I've learned from this thread is that Unity should have consulted Hitler before making this change
What I've learned from this thread is that leftists shouldn't have rights of any kind.
I've learned that you are a moron.
uh oh triggered lefturd~
it do be like that the most useful idiots
Sneed
leftists:
>capitalism bad!
also leftists:
>nooooooooooo usury is good don't take it away
lmfao
Watching you desperately try to declare victory after being BTFO by basic economics is sad. I'm not left wing btw, and you knew that.
if you were the idiot defending usury then you lost the argument.
What would happen to the world if Israel got nuked of the face of the Earth?