I'll start : Fallout 4 has plenty of issues but the voiced protagonist isn't one of them. I *understand* why hardcore roleplayers hate it but having your main character being a dumb silent autist when everyone talks to you is just jarring.
Unpopular?
not voiced isn't the same as silent protagonist
but yeah, it diminishes the roleplaying factor, but fallout 4 isn't an RPG anyway, it's a looter shooter
it doesn’t really matter if you have voices or not when you’re telling the most moronic story on earth
Explain how it's the worst in the world. No video links to homosexual video essays or screenshots. In your own frickinh words, explain.
not him (and i love fallout 4) but the story is extremely weak. it's never actually explained why the institute is kidnapping people, just a vague statement about "improving humanity" and "you just don't understand", which is not a good enough explanation for me to explain what is essentially the main problem to be solved in the game.
Not just the kidnapping, but the fact that the Institute is solely responsible for the Commonwealth's supermutant problem as early as 2180, and continued the program long after any utility or benefit could be gleamed from it. And you're never allowed to confront Shaun with any of this
Nor can you change the Institute from the inside or gradually reform it --- the plot hard ends as soon as the Brotherhood is destroyed.
nah, I don’t owe you an explanation, I have better things to do with my time than to explain to a midwit why water is wet
>"I just parrot what my favorite homosexual youtuber says and can't form my own thoughts:
Got it. You're a homosexual.
>I don’t owe you an explanation
>But I’ll take time out of my day to type out why I don’t owe you an explanation
Shut the frick up Black person
what makes a Synth more sentient than a Mr Gutsy or a Protectron?
gen 3 is literally a human with a brain implant. Which makes the "moral dilemma" pants on head moronic
>write in your own words the same thing thousands of people have written before
how about we do something that hasn't been done before, how about you explain what exactly is good about fallout 4's story
No.
come on, just one thing, surely there's one good thing about fallout 4's story you can think of
I somewhat agree. A voiced protagonist isn't bad alone and can even make a game better, I prefer Dead Space 2 Isaac Clarke over him being a mute golem. But it's more bothersome with F4 because of the clear moving away from being an RPG. It could have been tolerable if they gave you multiple voice options to take but that would have been out of the scope for the game. By adding a voice to your character you are solidifying them into being one rather than a blank slate.
It's not just the voiced protagonist, it's the fact that your character's backstory is locked in stone, that you have a wife/husband, and if the latter have a hamfisted military background hardcoded into your character
>backstory is locked in stone
All Fallout protagonists have set backstories.
>1
Vault dweller from Vault 13
>2
Tribal decedent of the Vault Dweller from a specific city
>3
A vault dweller from Vault 101
>New Vegas
A courier for Robert House
>4
A solder or lawyer who was cryogenically frozen
Go on nerd. Get! I don't have time for your useless chome ins.
Okay? Are you so insecure with criticism to Fallout 4 that you need the need to deflect and bring up other games? You're not responding to my criticism you're just deflecting with whataboutism
I think what anon means is that despite the same backstory, the details can be modular. What did the Vault Dweller spend his time doing? What did he look like? What characteristics did he have? That's part of the Role Playing Experience and what F4 objectively lacks in areas. Even Deus Ex has more flexability in that regard.
>What did the Vault Dweller spend his time doing? What did he look like? What characteristics did he have? That's part of the Role Playing Experience and what F4 objectively lacks in areas.
...what?
Read what the traits do in F1. they show what your character was like before being tasked with finding the water chip. Along with Special Stats and Skills that are tagged. Most Vault Dwellers are not the same.
>...huh? ... guh? wuh?? huhhh? durrrrrrrr i dun get it daeeeee uhhhhrrrrr mhhuhhhh???????
don't reply next time if you're too stupid to keep up
>Vault dweller from Vault 13
Their entire backstory about what they did before the story starts is open for the player to make
>The Chosen One
Again, their backstory isn't given other then being the grandchild to the protagonist from the first game
>The Lone Wanderer
A little more controlled in what your past was because they have you live specific moments in it but overall you're a blank slate looking for your dad that left the vault
>The Courier
Had no backstory other than being originally tasked to deliver the chip. Lonesome Road retcons this and forces the background you helped create The Divide by giving the NCR codes to accidentally set off nukes under the region and you being totally ignorant of it after leaving when the job's done. That really pissed off people and for good reasons as no one asked for it being put onto their character and also feels just tacked on. It's the same as what they recently did in having the FO4 protag male actually being the soldier in the FO1 news footage laughing as a Canadian citizen is executed in the streets by his fellow soldiers. How can you make a compassionate character now if they retconned you into being a person who chuckles like a cartel fricker laughing at someone being killed in front of you?
You forgot that The Courier is also canonically transgender.
Yes, yes. You're sad there's trans people who like NV. Get over it.
>FO4 protag male actually being the soldier in the FO1 news footage laughing as a Canadian citizen is executed in the streets by his fellow soldiers
Wtf I love fo4 male protagonist now
Words words words. If I wanted to read I'd play new vegas
>it's the fact that your character's backstory is locked in stone, that you have a wife/husband, and if the latter have a hamfisted military background hardcoded into your character
I don't disagree
>NPCs need to play video games because he can't imagine a whole universe in their heads
>i need to go to extremes because i have no imagination
You can't be diagnosed with Aphantasia, it's not a real illness you redditor.
I knew you were projecting hard with the muh npc comment
Transgenderism isnt a illness according to ''experts'' either so you better start dillating
>Fallout 4 has plenty of issues but the voiced protagonist isn't one of them
No, my dear Black person, that's one of the problems too
Fallout 4 is the best fallout
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There is nothing wrong with voiced protagonists, the real problem is wasting overpriced voice acting with four dialogue options saying the same thing in different ways because they wanted the protagonist to be both an established character and a blank slate character at the same time.
>having your main character being a dumb silent autist
That's not what happens in any of the games.
>NPCs can't imagine a voice in their heads.
Yep never disliked the voiced MC facial animations well done other npcs in more cinematic moments look horrible tho
I don't really have a problem with the voiced protagonist in practice. I get why conceptually it's not a good idea but frankly in actual gameplay I find it negligible. Here's the base point: YOU DON'T ROLEPLAY. I mean literally you, specifically, the person reading this. You don't invent a character, their personality, their beliefs and likes and dislikes, and their fricking voice. You do not and have never done that and anyone who says 'lol i do' is shitposting. So the fact that the buff man wasteland survivor hero you're playing as sounds like a generic buff hero literally does not change anything about the character you're pretending you're playing.
I could understand it if the game was one that really facilitated roleplaying in a major way, with moral and personal decisions, character agency, and stuff to do other than shoot raiders and zombies. But Fallout isn't that game, and you don't roleplay when you're playing Fallout because literally any character you think you're playing as, is still just a generic person shooting raiders and zombies and nothing else. You're not playing some weird other character that is in this world to do things other than that, so why pretend a generic voice somehow ruins it for you?
>Role playing a big science nerd
>Deep gritty voice comes out
>Role playing some uneducated tribal
>Normal voice with perfect grammar and diction comes out
Yeah, no. I'll take dead silence any day over a forced universal voice. When I want a voice to my character, I'll do it when I'm actually playing a role playing game like D&D.
I'd rather play as a dumb silent autist than a gormless sperg loser who whiplashes between freaking out about his moronic son and trying to sound cool and edgy with tryhard edgy MCU quip dialogue
It's really hard to roleplay when there's a 50% that anything that comes out of your character's mouth is going to sound fricking stupid
>having your main character being a dumb silent autist when everyone talks to you is just jarring
you still have the ability to respond to npcs through dialogue options even if the player character is mute, I don't think it's necessary to have a voice narrate the text option you already read with your inner voice
Normalgays don't have an innervoice
you sound like someone who cant read books because you lack imagination
Fallout 4 is the best Fallout game and "not an rpg" isn't a flaw.
>but having your main character being a dumb silent autist when everyone talks to you is just jarring.
but the MC isn't silent, youre supposed to say out the dialogue option you chose out loud
>youre supposed to say out the dialogue option you chose out loud
lol what? Do you yell your characters dialog choices out loud for the neighbors to hear? I want to hear this anon scream F2s 4th wall break dialog options.
>youre supposed to say out the dialogue option you chose out
holy kek lmao. Just imagined you sitting in the dark trying to act out lines to yourself like a total sped
kinda both cringe and based
wasn't the "voiced protagonist" the reason why we got the
> Yes
> No
> Sarcasm
thing?
> having your main character being a dumb silent autist when everyone talks to you is just jarring
>"i can't roleplay with the voiced protagonist so it means the game sucks!!!"
What if you just want to play a video game and don't care for roleplaying?
That's fine but did they have to gut an RPG series of it's RP?
Then go play soulshit.
>your main character being a dumb silent autist when everyone talks to you is just jarring
But you aren't silent. You get loads of dialogue options. Having no voice allowed for more dialogue options.
personally I had no problems with the Voiced Protagonist in Fallout 4, HOWEVER I do believe they Really should have included like 2 or 3 extra options in every dialogue options and been more clear about what the character was saying when you picked something.
like, its infinitely annoying as all shit when you pick an option that only says something like 'why would I?' and the PC then goes on a whole long ass line of questioning to find out more information when I thought it was going to be an interesting way of them saying "no"
You could very much Tell Bethesda wanted to use Something similar to Mass Effects Dialogue Wheel, but couldn't because EA has that Patented
Personally, I think Dragon Age 2's implementation of the Dialogue Wheel is better. The game's split up into different acts, and depending on the type of dialogue choice you use for the majority of conversation options, your character will either become diplomatic, sarcastic/humorous, or aggressive/confrontational by Act 2 onwards---and each of these personality types allow for more personalized and special dialogue options in certain quests that either allow certain fights to be bypassed, certain enemy characters to be spared, or simply more nuanced/specialized conversation trees unique to your convo.
I think your character eventually adopting one primary personality depending on your RP is a more nuanced way to use the dialogue wheel than what ME 1/2/3 did with it
I have never been able to get into it. I'm not a fan of crafting, building and managing settlements, having to defend them, and the way Preston was described put me off. VATS making things slow motion instead of fully stopping time felt stressing.
I ended using mods like disabling attacks on Settlements to make it play more like Fallout 3 and New Vergas. I just want to explore and chill with less bloat.
Can’t you just ignore the settlements and play the game as 3/nv
People started hating on it because Bethesda themselves used it as an excuse for the lack of options. The game has no evil route. If they had given us the option to be evil nate I'm sure the voiced protagonist would have gone over smoother. It's just typical Bethesda corner cutting.
Frick you all rpg autists, you are no different from trannies trying to play pretend somewhat you're not. Fallout 4 is the best in the series with better gameplay and gunplay. Nobody should play games for story go watch a movie instead or read a book then fricktard.
Also you can build in FO4 and let your imagination run free.
real facts right here. I am getting sick of "role play" homosexuals shitting up my games. stick to table top.
i find your pedantic and c**ty opinion very confusing seeing as you seem to be roleplaying just fine right now, replying to yourself
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>let your imagination run free
in what fricking way? the restraints on the construction workshop is moronic, with objects 'colliding' and preventing themselves from being put down even though they don't clip, not to mention how shit it runs if you actually witness what they do
>can fully protect and fence off an area
>defenders don't use cover, enemies spawn inside the base, the base LITERALLY cannot survive without you there and counts as a failure if you don't show up which i think takes supplies or some other equally useless thing
and you can't even make good buildings because of how shit the placement system is not to mention how every item/module for building is filthy as frick despite being 'brand new'
I had a mod years ago which let me build anywhere and use as many building props as I wanted and had 0 problems.
Spawning enemies inside the base also never happened so
Your character isn't a dumb silent autist, you just don't hear the voice, good job outing yourself as a moron who's opinion is worthless. Honestly Fallout 4's dialogue only sucks because they had to pay for the voice acting, so it has less variation, less options and less outcomes because they have to voice act every single thing, and the worst part is the male MC isn't that great anyways. That being said, the MC going "FRICKING KILL" after taking jet is kind of funny.
Fallout has a great story for a VIDEO GAME.
moronS go read a book if you want a story I'm playing for the GAMEPLAY aka the most important aspect of a videoGAME.
>it doesnt HAVE to be good
huge cope
>But why do the demons invade? Hiw do they feel when Doomguy shoots them? What do the demons eat?
huge cope
>world building = bad
keep coping buddy
>where does mario poop?
Did you reply to the wrong post?
keep being a manchild buddy
That’s the thing though, Fallout 3 and 4 have a 5/10 story, but New Vegas has a 5.8/10 story. You’re a mongoloid for thinking it’s brilliant.
I don’t mind a voiced protagonist but if you can customize your character there needs to be more than 2 voice actors.
>Got baited into trying NV since I never played it
>Finally able to launch the game without errors or crashes
>Stupidest intro to the game
>1999 tier graphics
>Gunplay is worse than call of juarez
>Souless boring environment after roaming for over an hour
>Delete
Frick you all who said it's better than FO4. Motherfrickers no one cares about muh story or your autistic role playing if nothing else is decent. If you play games to pretend to be someone in a fantasy world making decisions you're an autist. Take care of your actual life instead morons.
>autist
You say that like there a downside to autism. We’re good, but NTs are normie slop
Voiced protagonist could have worked, they just piled multiple layers of bethesda moronation on top like forcing the writers to make exactly four dialog options at every node because there are four controller buttons. If they'd done anything with the premise or mechanics it would have been neutral at worst
Why does it say I have to buy the PS5 upgrade? I already have the GOTY edition.
snoybros have to take one for the team and pay up
The story in New Vegas is not that important while 3 and 4 have nothing to them at all
Why is roleplaying the only important aspect of a 3D Fallout game here? Some people might be more interested in the exploration/post-apocalyptic atmosphere and bethesda games are better than NV for that.
3 sure, but 4 feels like a theme park
Because singleplayer gamers are 60% autists
Because Fallout are supposed to be RPG, Bethesda could've created their own post-apocalypse open world games but we know what happens when they don't have an existing IP to leech off (Starfield)
3, yes, 4, lmao no. Even 76 dis better at being fun to explore in.
it's because of assblasted new vegas fans grasping at straws to justify their irrational hatred of Todd Howard
>Some people might be more interested in the exploration/post-apocalyptic atmosphere and bethesda games are better than NV for that.
Except that they aren't and this is a giant cope to pretend 3/4 has something over NV
least delusional NVtroony
Weird projection, Todd
Though NV has wider swaths of empty space, the places are just more interesting. They usually have an interesting story to tell, rewarding your curiosity. Bethesda just frontloads their stupid stuff in a ton of places leaving you more to explore that just isn't interesting beyond what you can loot
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3 does have better exploration than NV, but that's because NV isnt that worried about being a bethesda game, it's trying to be a CRPG, which means denser areas with more plot focus and less picking a direction and dungeon crawling.
Both have exploration and their main stories force you along a path to visit certain locations.
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If they had presented Fallout 4 as a spin off like Fallout: Boston or something instead of a mainline title the whole voiced protag would not have gone down as badly I'm certain
You desperately need to get an imagination if you interpret the silence when you respond to an NPC as literal silence.
In any case, silence wouldn't have fixed FO4's issues with bad roleplaying and character railroading. You can do good voiced RPG protags but I don't think Fallout is the place for it.
Wrong!
Fallout 4 becoming the best selling game last week has got to be the most astroturfed normalgay psyop ever perpetrated and the influx of "new fallout fans" is genuinely painful to watch in real time
Just started replaying fallout 3 and 4. I’ve always just replayed Vegas and haven’t replayed 3 and 4 since they initially released. NV may be the overall better game but 3 and 4 have way better world exploration than NV
play 1 and 2 zoomergay
3 does yes, 4 no
NV has way better writing and is a way better RPG but the overworld is kind of meh if you're not into the whole wester aesthetic
It sucks because all your created characters have the same voice, even saints row lets you change the voice of the characters you create