I'm sure normally no one replies to your inane posts but today I'm going to do you the favor and let you know this has gotta be one of the most midwit IQ posts I've seen on here
NTA, but you'd have to be a real fricking moron to look at socialism without realizing it's just merchants hyping up the lower classes to go back into serfdom.
The first thing that happens after every revolution is getting rid of dipshits like you who like to have opinions, protip: take off your glasses
At least it'd fix the lootbox issue. No video game industry and hobbyists too busy starving to death means no games, which means no more lootboxes.
Communism means the people who make the product also own the product. In this case, it means all employees can benefit from CS2 making a shitload of money, not just Gabe and a few other executives.
So no, it wouldn't fix the lootbox issue.
I don't really understand the online right's relationship with capitalism. You guys seem to recognize how capital and profit-seeking frick up our society in all kinds of ways ("wagie" culture, dating apps & social media, processed foods, as examples). israelite stereotypes are capitalist stereotypes. And it's fine to say let's destroy the israelites. But say let's change capital, and suddenly you'll defend the israelites because it means defending capitalism or "human nature". I don't get it. I don't think capitalism is compatible with a bright future for the white race.
>Socially conservative actual Marxism-Leninism
Doesn't exist in any meaningful way. 99% of you support socially conservative values first and foremost, which is why you think marxism is cancer since you don't have any regard to material conditions of the working class.
It's was alright when the capitalists were religious, believed in something beyond money and felt an attachment to their countries of origin. It's less a problem with the system now and just that modern culture and the behaviour it engenders is total shit.
when was that? in the 19th century when christian, european children worked in dangerous factories for a pittance, owned by christian, european capitalists?
Never happened. The irish aren’t Europeans or people, merely human shaped parasites that learnt to mimic speech and any so-called "exploitation" of their spawn Christian Europeans capitalists, was merely God’s Will
You are a full blown moron. The English are largely Celtic in origin too. A lot of English myths date back to the Celts (King Arthur and the like). Or are you taking about the "superior" German race that ape out and completely destroy Europe every now and again? Either way this behaviour isn't very Christian of you.
in the age of the internet, restricting your network to a nation you merely lucked into through a birth you didnt choose is backwards thinking. imo future states will give more flexibility to an individuals choices and preferences on who to fraternize and live with, and such choice will no longer be as strongly bound by the circumstances of ones birth.
lmao, I would mention what country went from faield state to superpower for not relying on banks but jannies have their priorities (keep the board on the worse state possible)
There is no system nor can a system be designed that protects the moronic from the crafty. There are a few that help insulate the vulnerable in society but uh, yeah we fought wars over it.
People using their fairly earned money to invest in hobbies and interests is LE BAD. We should be spending all our money to support hobos and Black person tribes instead.
Capitalism isn't necessarily the problem here, it's influence over people, marketing specifically. Why do you think people are consumerist? Because they've been influenced to be. The people who stood/stand to gain the most from having a consumerist populus started, and subsequently put millions into marketing in order to influence the populus to buy their things so they could/can get rich.
THIS is the real problem.
tons of people especially Steamies being low IQ is the actual problem
you see it here >Steam locks you out >but just use Steam to download non-DRM games, it totally works >Steam locks you out >just use Steam to download >Steam locks out out >Steam good because you can automate it >web sites bad because you can't automate these (lie)
they are mentally moronic.
they are not even on the level of a child.
You couldn't frick over a child nearly as much as Steamies are done for
>"I wish there was a system that forced human nature to conform to my strict sensibilities."
They're only making that money because people WANT to buy these things, you should be angry that people are so moronic they want these things not angry at the company providing them.
>he fell for the appeal to nature meme
Unless you are an anarchist you are advocating for a a system that forces human nature to conform to your strict sensibilities.
My point is you're blaming the system for human behavior and advocating for people to have less freedom because they have the choice to buy dumb shit and be idiots.
le market is a perfectly rational meritocracy you should be angry at what massive, formless groups do instead of blaming actual identifiable individuals who are ultimately responsible for it. Might as well bring back child labor and slavery back at this point.
Who is responsible for people's desire to buy dumb cosmetics other than the people with the desire?
People are responsible for themselves.
Your point falls flat on its face precisely because you are blaming human behavior on the failings of the system. And no one appealing to human nature is concerned with freedom, you just worship the market like it's some infallible deity.
>Your point falls flat on its face precisely because you are blaming human behavior on the failings of the system
I'm literally saying the opposite.
Have you never heard of marketing? These companies literally hire behavioral psychologists in order to sell more lootboxes >People are responsible for themselves.
Hyperindividualism has fried your brain. Total brainrot.
Then teach people to think for themselves. People have the responsibility of their own control.
8 months ago
Anonymous
No you're not. You're using "human nature" as an excuse for the failings of the system you defend.
8 months ago
Anonymous
What is the failing of the system?
What system am I defending?
Literally all i'm saying is that capitalism didn't make these people buy dumb shit, it just allowed them to.
That's not a defense of anything, but your statement that another system would mean people wouldn't want to buy dumb shit is ridiculous.
Human beings aren't infinitely malleable putty, we're animals.
If your point is that the system should be authoritarian so that people aren't allowed to buy dumb shit then THAT is a system limiting human nature.
Why not do both? Why do the amorphas mass of consumers have all the responsibility but the actual people running these companies and making these decisions have no responsibility of their own?
because they're just providing an item that people want. if there's a dozen people outside your door saying "hey i want to buy your worthless garbage" you're not a bad person for selling it to them and anyone outside this saying "how dare that man sell those innocent people his worthless garbage" is an idiot.
this isn't to say that there haven't been manipulative companies that have sought out successfully to convince people that they need a product they don't, which is ethically dubious at best. but as far as i can tell cosmetics sell themselves.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You have a mental disease called "libertarianism", get yourself checked, kid.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Or is this one of those things like in those online communist culture ware guides where they say "DON'T AT ANY COST START ACTUALLY ARGUING OR ENGAGING WITH THEIR POINTS, DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT, DON'T THINK DON'T THINK DON'T THINK"?
>we're animals.
no, you are.
I am not.
>If your point is that the system should be authoritarian so that people aren't allowed to buy dumb shit then THAT is a system limiting human nature. >you should be allowed to buy child porn >and pay to torture animals
Nope.
In fact McDonalds should be closed down.
>I am not.
Okay christcuck.
And are you seriously comparing video game skins to child porn?
there's a difference between buying dumb shit and buying harmful shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why would anyone sane seriously engage in arguging with online lolbertarian culture warriors who think covid is just the flu? You're a clown shoe.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Okay Christcuck
I am not a Christcuck moron either.
Jesus probably never even existed. It's an allegory.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>we're animals.
no, you are.
I am not.
>If your point is that the system should be authoritarian so that people aren't allowed to buy dumb shit then THAT is a system limiting human nature. >you should be allowed to buy child porn >and pay to torture animals
Nope.
In fact McDonalds should be closed down.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Then force the market to be a perfect homonucleous.
Like I said, hyper individualism has fried your brain. There is no save for you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why not do both? Why do the amorphas mass of consumers have all the responsibility but the actual people running these companies and making these decisions have no responsibility of their own?
8 months ago
Anonymous
also i should add it's not an amorphous mass, it's every individual's responsibility.
You have a mental disease called "libertarianism", get yourself checked, kid.
>yer mentally ill
some answer
Do you personally feel completely controlled by everything?
Do you have no control over yourself?
Do you feel no responsibility for yourself and your own actions?
I'm not even a libertarian, why is "people have a responsibility for their own choices and behavior" a libertarian position to you?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Hyper individualism has rotted your brain just as I said. Libertarianism is a mental disorder and your clown ideology does not warrant serious discussion.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you think you don't have responsibility for your own actions and choices?
How is "People can choose what they do" a hyper-individualistic position?
We're not drones.
Why would anyone sane seriously engage in arguging with online lolbertarian culture warriors who think covid is just the flu? You're a clown shoe.
I'm not a libertarian and i haven't expressed any opinion on covid you're just putting words in my mouth to disregard me.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>muh bersonal responsiability
>individualism bad >group think good >OMG CNN SAID CORONA WILL KILL US ALL >DOC, SHOOT THAT UNTESTED PHARMA SHIT INTO MY VEINS TO PROTECT ME FROM DA VIRUS
pathetic
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CORONA NOT REAL DA VAX IS THE REAL VIRUS
Like I said, you "people" are subhumans who are totally fricked in the head. Learn life.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>DA VAX
Pfizer themselves laughed and said no, when they were asked if they tested if it lowered "transmission rates".
It's on video.
You would know that if you weren't brain dead.
>but but conspiracy
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but but big pharma
taxation is robbery, literally.
[...]
In your democracy you can choose the war criminal. What a great system.
>but but taxation is theft >
>muh bersonal responsiability
Are you a slave to everything around you?
[...] >In your democracy you can choose the war criminal.
and under authoritarianism you can't, wow what a great system.
No small group of people should have total, unquestionable control of the rest of the people, period. >but but muh bersonal responsibility
Libertarianism status: mentally disabled
8 months ago
Anonymous
>muh bersonal responsiability
Are you a slave to everything around you?
taxation is robbery, literally.
[...]
In your democracy you can choose the war criminal. What a great system.
>In your democracy you can choose the war criminal.
and under authoritarianism you can't, wow what a great system.
No small group of people should have total, unquestionable control of the rest of the people, period.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>individualism bad >group think good >OMG CNN SAID CORONA WILL KILL US ALL >DOC, SHOOT THAT UNTESTED PHARMA SHIT INTO MY VEINS TO PROTECT ME FROM DA VIRUS
pathetic
Have you never heard of marketing? These companies literally hire behavioral psychologists in order to sell more lootboxes >People are responsible for themselves.
Hyperindividualism has fried your brain. Total brainrot.
le market is a perfectly rational meritocracy you should be angry at what massive, formless groups do instead of blaming actual identifiable individuals who are ultimately responsible for it. Might as well bring back child labor and slavery back at this point.
In a world where people can buy pretty much anything they want they choose to buy this worthless shit, that is human nature.
this isn't some machination or alteration of humanity; in a world of excess people value worthless shit.
acting like an authoritarian government is ever the better option because people can choose to buy dumb stuff is ridiculous.
Communism and Socialism are the same as capitalism, the only difference is that the corporations and banking cartels that frick you over are part of the government now. The political and financial elite still lord over you as rulers, just with le hungry hammer on their flag.
the goberment is simply too fricking slow to ban lootboxes
or they do and devs will think of some way they can still legaly sell gambling boxes to kids
so yeah its quite literally the goverments job
All systems turn into capitalism eventually, you might be thinking of democracy and yeah it sucks. It was better in the past tho, when the average moron had no voting rights
The world is becoming more like Deus Ex every day. China will at least stand up to its companies while democracies will do nothing until long after they pass the cyberpunk event horizon
Capitalism without democracy just results in accelerating even further to your Deus Ex nightmare world. China is also on their way towards a cyberpunk dystopia, but in a more brutal and oppressive fashion.
Captialism with democracy is the reason why we're in the state we are in now you braindead Black person cattle. Democracy can only work in a homogenous country where the populace isn't being intentionally miseducated to better become servants of the state.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Democracy can only work
democracy is a control method, most people are low IQ, see this thread especially Steamies
also democracy - if elections weren't rigged - would be a dictatorship of the majority and they could anything to the minority including genocide
no
8 months ago
Anonymous
Your alternative is a dictatorship of the minority where they do anything to the majority including actual genocide. Just another control method where you launder property ownership as IQ
8 months ago
Anonymous
>alternative
nope >the minority can do genocide
lmao
it's always the moronic majority that does that
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nope
So you have no argument >genocides can't be done by a minority
lmao
it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you are thinking incorrectly >it's either that or that
false >it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide
impossible
see Nazis, who did the genocide?
the moronic masses, that you want to give control over everything
that are "just following orders"
without these NPCs no genocide ever
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>it's either that or that >false
You openly admit you have no alternative. >>it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide >impossible
moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
no, i didn't mention it, you dumb frick >no, it's not the moronic masses
it always are
remember covid?
now think what would have happened if the majority wasn't moronic cattle.
Do you think police enforces would go against millions of people?
No, they don't.
but they can go against a few hundred that go against the main stream.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>no, i didn't mention it,
Because you have no argument. You can't defend any alternative.
>>no, it's not the moronic masses >it always are >remember covid?
The virus that originated from a country without democracy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>because
you are making shit up >the virus
there is no virus, moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you are making shit up
nope. >there is no virus
You are moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but but there was a very dangerous virus
where did the flu go? >uhhhh the masks stopped the flu
nope >but but corona was too strong
you calling anyone moronic is hilarious
btw. flu - not infectious, therefore corona - not infectious lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
You are terminally moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the flu disappeared because of masks
masks don't work at all, as proven this year by meta studies >but but the flu disappeared
you calling anyone moronic is hilarious
corona = renamed flu
8 months ago
Anonymous
Alright moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it was super dangerous, because CNN said so
lmao
>democracy - if it was real - would be shit.
You want to replace the masses with a moronic minority in control
>You want to replace the masses
Where do your masses have actual control right now?
They don't.
But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps. That's your masses.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it was just the flu because /misc/ said so
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
the official mortality was even lower than the average flu, lmao
the average age of "covid deaths", which were simply people who died because of whatever but had a positive PCR test, which doesn't mean anything, was ABOVE the average mortality
If you are not brain dead, you should understand what this means.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You are brain dead.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>no argument
Average age of corona deaths ABOVE average age of all deaths means corona is not a problem at all.
But you listened to CNN. Your fault.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Arguments are for reasonable people, not brainless morons like you. Pearls before swine.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps
Ok but that didn't happen
You are moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps. That's your masses.
No that's Nazi Germany, not a democracy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's not a democracy when the masses want to lock everyone that isn't a moron like them into cagies
it would be though.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's ok for the ruling class to want to lock everyone that isn't a moron like them into cagies because they're not a democracy
You're moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>a few people and police could do that against the WILL of the majority
false
a few million people fighting police enforcers and that would be the end of the police
simple as that.
that's why Nazis chose the israeli minority.
You can't go against the majority.
You select a small group and blame them for whatever shit you are cooking and the moronic masses will go along with it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>a few people and police could do that against the WILL of the majority
Thats exactly what happens without democracy.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>dictatorship of the masses can't happen in democracy
it literally is dictratorship of the masses. >yes, we want all corona-deniers in jail
8 months ago
Anonymous
Your alternative is a dictatorship of the minority >No!
Yes moron. Corona deniars are mushbrained morons.
8 months ago
Anonymous
you can't even think of anything else.
you are brain fricked.
How much control do you have?
Did you vote Republican or Democrat?
Who did start wars?
Bush? yes
King Black person? yes, of course
so who do you vote for when you don't want wars?
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds, calls the menu a democracy and chooses to get some garbage, but you don't understand that it's all garbage and you are not in control of the menu.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you can't even think of anything else. >you are brain fricked.
No thats you. You can't actually defend your alternative and because you are totally fricked in the head.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>your alternative
I didn't even mention it.
I told you to educate yourself.
How much control do you have?
Did you vote Republican or Democrat?
Who did start wars?
Bush? yes
King Black person? yes, of course
so who do you vote for when you don't want wars in your democracy?
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds, calls the menu a democracy and chooses to get some garbage, but you don't understand that it's all garbage and you are not in control of the menu.
YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE MENU.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I didn't even mention it.
Because you can't actually defend it. You don't have an actual argument.
>buh buh educate yourself
Suck my dick.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it
So which is my alternative, that I didn't mention?
8 months ago
Anonymous
> food analogy
8 months ago
Anonymous
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds and then cries to abolish the government because you have to pay tax on your order.
8 months ago
Anonymous
taxation is robbery, literally.
You don't get any choice under authoritarianism
In your democracy you can choose the war criminal. What a great system.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You don't get any choice under authoritarianism
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nazi Germany wasn't a democracy moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The Nazi's weren't a democratic state. The whole reason they could do a genocide was because they abolished the democratic functions of the state.
8 months ago
Anonymous
lmao
the Nazis won elections >democratic functions >noooo, 90% can't be moronic cattle and vote for a Fuhrer, that's not democratic
but they do
8 months ago
Anonymous
>implying Nazi germany was a democracy >implying Nazi germany was lefist
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
democracy is a control method, idiot
elections are rigged, always
educate yourself what was before Weimar Germany and how that worked.
- no parties
- no democracy garbage
- no professional politicians
Who was the one with the most power?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>democracy is when elections are rigged >democracy is a control method
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
again: show me all that control that you have.
Did you stop the Iraq war somehow?
Or the Afghanistan war?
Did you vote for that, or against it?
Did you vote to get robbed even more through taxes, or not?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>implying wars don't happen without democracy
Ah yes, Afghanistan famously never invaded by anyone until a democratic country did it.
8 months ago
Anonymous
well did this "democracy" help, or not?
And why didn't the masses stop it?
How many demonstrated, and nothing happened, lmao
because you have no control, zero
the actual way that the masses has control is through the fake money. You vote for treating chicken like shit for your chicken mcNuggets and you show how evil you are.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>no democracy gives you more control than democracy which is why the USSR never invaded Afghanistan >the actual way that the masses has control is through the fake money.
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
>democracy
is a method of control
you vote for "parties", which are not only all corrupt, but you vote for a bundle.
>pro war, but also promise to lower taxes
yes, I will take that bundle
after election: >oopsie, pro war, but no lower taxes
Oh noes, but in 4 years I won't fall for that
lmao
When will your democratic justice system arrest these liars? It won't.
Again if you had a brain, you would look into Sacred Germany and how that worked, but you don't
8 months ago
Anonymous
>democracy is a method of control >money is not a method of control >muh taxes >muh Sacred Germany
You have actual shit for brains
8 months ago
Anonymous
>muh money
you vote with your money
you vote for animal abuse and the ones in control see that you are all animal abusers and morons. you think they give you any control, you fricking animal torturer? >but I need my Happy Meal
cattle
If the masses weren't brain dead, McDonalds would be bankrupt.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>he actually fell for the "voting with your wallet" meme
NGMI
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's the only actual vote and you are doing it daily.
Most is controlled by corporations, but you give them the power. >but I must order from Amazon
cattle
they would all fail if you stopped complying.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're using Nazi germany as an argument *against* democracy. You have no clue about anything let alone the history of Germany.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it's an argument that shows what moronic masses are doing and capable of, and therefore democracy - if it was real - would be shit.
Fake News: omg we are getting attacked by China, WE MUST USE THE MILITARY
masses: OMG, we get attacked, yes, use the military to murder 500 million chinks
this is what I mean. moronic masses in control == Hillary in control. No difference. Except that maybe Hillary would be honest and say yes, I did murder all these people, while the masses would lie about it afterwards
8 months ago
Anonymous
>democracy - if it was real - would be shit.
You want to replace the masses with a moronic minority in control
8 months ago
Anonymous
>uh the nazis were elected thefore it is democratic
They weren't elected to do genocide you dumb shit. Frick off with your historical revisionism.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nazis went "the israelites" and then established all sorts of taxes, but at the same time saying that "the israelites would rob everyone", when in fact they themselves robbed everyone
and the masses went >yes, my fuhrer
because they are brain rotten
You think Hitler would have been able to do JACK SHIT without these moronic masses?
You can't control millions of people, unless the people are moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Nazi Germany wasn't a democracy you fricking moron.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>the moronic masses, that you want to give control over everything
Without democracy you are giving over control over everything. That's literally what you're arguing for.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>without democracy
show me anything that you actually have control over.
Taxes?
Can you escape taxes? No, you can't.
Who decides on that?
Surely not you.
Do you decide at your work place?
No, your boss does.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>most people are low IQ
That's not how IQ works.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It is.
Average IQ = in the middle of it, and it's still moronic
so 50% are below average IQ, which means fully moronic like our Steamies, who defend a corporation that fricks them dry every week
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're a braindead Black person cattle whining about not having a "democratic" ethnostate where the outgroup is intentionally miseducated to better become servants of the state.. Capitalism without democracy is far worse than the state we're in right now.
yeah the best parasitic leech system
do nothing, let the morono users and developers do everything and get 30% anyway
don't even force developers that their games works on the shit you force everyone onto.
>do nothing, let the morono users and developers do everything and get 30% anyway
That's how console companies operate. The PC storefronts that charge less than 30% do even less for developers than Valve does.
Nintendo takes 30% from digital sales, not including the licensing fee they charge third party developers just for being allowed to make games on the switch.
8 months ago
Anonymous
not surprising, its their platform.
unlike win32 and DirectX, which is Microsoft's platform, not Valve's platform.
also actual marketing
but nice try, homosexual >why do they take 30%
Because of Valve, duh
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve isn't charging a licensing fee to make games on PC. You have no explanation for why Nintendo charges 30% on top of the tax for just making Switch games.
>also actual marketing
30% to Nintendo doesn't get you any more marketing from them vs what Valve does.
No system will solve the problem. People have to actually want to quit being degenerate homosexuals. Any expectation that the system should be held responsible for lack of that occurrence merely enables degeneracy to continue.
>you should be angry at what massive, formless groups do instead of blaming actual identifiable individuals who are ultimately responsible for it. otherwise we should live under anarchy because people are degenerate
What you've just described is called scapegoating, and it doesn't work. The incentive for some other individual to come along and tempt the people into a profitable state of impulsiveness doesn't go away when you blame all the previous misdoing on an expendable predecessor. Degenerate people are the ones who are ultimately responsible for their choices.
Capitalism is a prison of the body and mind far worse than any other system we have ever had. In fact it's so effective that most of its slaves will fight to preserve it and proclaim how free they are. They just need to take a few pills every day so they don't kill themselves before they go to work.
Capitalism seeks to control the natural world and mold it to our service. Humans are part of the natural world, we've been made into meat robots that live to work and consume.
>Capitalism seeks to control the natural world and mold it to our service
God damn what a disappointing answer.
How does communism or any other system not seek to control the natural world?
Capitalism would be completely eco friendly if that's what consumers demanded, what you're wanting is a system that controls consumers.
Only a reality ran by a benevolent AI would be objectively healthy for humanity as a species. Don't waste my time and yours @ing me if you're underage and believe that a world ran by humans is devoid of any human influence or bias.
fun fact: none of the cs2/valve threads will be spammed by the anti-gacha trannies, because they shill for western israeli companies and support gambling
It's because CS2 and Valve's games are not pay to win, whereas actual gacha games are entirely engineered around pay to win mechanics and completely fall apart once you take them out.
>boot up CS2 >decide time is now, to sell 30+ unopened cases on marketplace for dirt cheap >On hold for another 2 weeks before it's up on the marketplace
That hold time is lame. I was able to sell around 6 clutch cases almost instantly though
>odds on CS cases are notoriously awful >actual gamblers refuse to open CS crates because it's basically throwing money away >millions of moronic kids don't know this and borrow their parents credit card thinking it will land on gloves >Even online casinos let you know the odds
Bravo valve to being somehow the least ethical company in all of gaming
>popularize lootboxes in PC gaming and charge to both open and trade them >create battlepass system >pull an Overwatch2 with CSGO while stealing all the reviews so it launches at Positive
They're the true pioneers of Judaic tricks in gaming
Its more than that pretty much all of cancer that is in gaming industry right now except for paid online on consoles was invented and popularized by valve
Gabe's "piracy is a service problem" quote that redditors love so much is pure evil >invents the OG online DRM system >invents the OG spyware masquerading it self as an "anticheat" software >pioneers in f2p gaming battle passes lootboxes everything >innovators in "game as a service" system >you don't even own any of the games you bought can't even refund anything your money stays in the steam wallet >innovators in every single digital distribution cancer ever, episodic games, dlcs, unfinished games you name it
Yet despite all of this valve is still less evil than Chinese companies such is life
>invents the OG online DRM system
Valve doesn't force DRM and DRM existed in physical media before steam. >invents the OG spyware masquerading it self as an "anticheat" software
Punkbusted existed before steam >pioneers in f2p gaming battle passes lootboxes everything
Based
based business model >all gameplay content is free >one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall) >no power is bought with money >loot boxes contain cosmetics >cosmetics/maps are made by the community >community gets a cut of the money >game has endless content >paypigs fund the games development >if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model >game has yearly releases that cost ($80) >paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable >previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster" >game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games >dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
>innovators in "game as a service" system
Based
based business model >all gameplay content is free >one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall) >no power is bought with money >loot boxes contain cosmetics >cosmetics/maps are made by the community >community gets a cut of the money >game has endless content >paypigs fund the games development >if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model >game has yearly releases that cost ($80) >paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable >previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster" >game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games >dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
>you don't even own any of the games you bought can't even refund anything your money stays in the steam wallet
Steam have said they would grant access to games if they went down also you're lying, refunds go to where you paid. >innovators in every single digital distribution cancer ever, episodic games, dlcs, unfinished games you name it
Nobody is forcing you to buy software you don't like moron
They should be free: https://gamebanana.com/mods/cats/8224?
They used to be.
Now they're taking shit that used to be free, that used to be expected in a finished product, and selling it to your for a premium.
It's like asking if the cab driver can charge you extra for using premium seats instead of steel dildo ass-fasteners. If you weren't willing to pay, no one would be trying to stick things up your ass.
How moronic are you? You can't understand that loot boxes/gacha are killing gaming? Why would any big company create a new single player game or new IP when they can pump out the same games over and over and the addicts won't stop wasting money on it?
While I am at it HEY JANNIES create a fricking GachaCoom board. This place is nothing but gachashit and coom threads
based business model >all gameplay content is free >one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall) >no power is bought with money >loot boxes contain cosmetics >cosmetics/maps are made by the community >community gets a cut of the money >game has endless content >paypigs fund the games development >if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model >game has yearly releases that cost ($80) >paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable >previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster" >game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games >dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
It ruins games because it places a greater financial incentive on developing the cash shop in a game rather than the game itself. Monetization like this almost always comes at the expense of the quality of the game being monetized.
I pity you for not being able to see this. Counter-Strike 2 would be a much better game if they just monetized it by selling the game itself instead of resorting to milking people with gambling addicitions.
F2P with microtransactions is incredibly profitable, but I have yet to see a game with that pricing model that hasn't suffered in quality because of it. It makes it a lot easier to cheat in these games, too. There's basically no consequences for doing it when you can just keep making new accounts over and over again.
Because it shifts the focus on development activity to making new textures for guns, instead of actual game updates, you know, the reason you actually bought the game in the first place. Asking devs to release a complete game should be a big ask. It also promotes a disgusting amount of scamming and gambling, why would you want your game to be associated with that? If you want cosmetics in your game it should be from doing milestones or specific things in the game (e.g get 250 headshots in CoD4 to unlock the skin for that particular weapon)
based hobby enjoyers. one of the first things i did when i got on the first day was crack some cases, i didn't get anything but it was fun. and i basically only used funds from selling other cases to open the cases.
Or
A) Valve can just not use Chromium like a bunch of poojeets to bloat what's supposed to just be a game launcher
B) If they're so intent about on doing so, then update SteamCMD to launch games and authenticate for multiplayer, allowing legacy users to bypass Chromium shit altogether
>A) Valve can just not use Chromium like a bunch of poojeets to bloat what's supposed to just be a game launcher
Valve support multiple OS's. Having feature parity on 3 different platforms was a miracle on its own. They've solved that problem entirely at the cost of RE7ARDS.
>Having feature parity on 3 different platforms was a miracle on its own
Man, either standards have slipped massively or India really did become a superpower in 2020, and here I am having to listen to their exported talent.
your inability to articulate a counter-argument speaks volumes. I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The fact that you couldn't grasp the counter-argument at hand outlines precisely why you gay, homie
8 months ago
Anonymous
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
You didn't give any counter-argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>well they're indian
Yeah, that's the counter-argument, and it's 100% sound, unbeatable. Relying on Chromium to achieve those results is the behavior of shortcut-taking poojeet developers, and as with other products of poojeet developers, it's now bloated and limited in the scope of its compatibility compared to a different methodology. The fact that you couldn't parse that is exactly what outlines you as being gay and also moronic, homie.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Relying on Chromium to achieve those results is the behavior of shortcut-taking poojeet developers
Not an argument. >it's now bloated
It's all web apps. The size of the application itself has gotten smaller over time because its more and more web-based. If you're talking about memory utilization then who gives a shit? You're basically admitting you're some 4GB RAMlet >The fact that you couldn't parse that is exactly
I parsed it perfectly. It's simply not an argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Ah, okay. You're just doing a little bit of trolling. Nobody would seriously say >not an argument
but then preemptively drop a solid turd of >uhhhh if you meant this you'd be right but who cares?
Go away now, you silly billy. You did your song and dance.
8 months ago
Anonymous
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
Chromium has allowed Valve to ship to multiple OS's to allow full feature parity that work in webapps which is less bloat on your machine.
You have no counter-argument and I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to rewrite code for every platform
ScummVM even runs on AmigaOS, next
lmao you fricking lying shills are hilarous today
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you need to rewrite code for every platform
For native clients, yes you fricking moron. You think Win32 works on MacOS and Linux without a translation layer?
Thanks for demonstrating how fricking clueless you are.
Using whataboutism is an admission that even you are able to recognize that you yourself have no actual argument, and you attempt to regain credibility by saying someone else is doing so even worse than you are. Problem is >yeah well, they're indian
is a rock solid argument, so your gambit fails
>is a rock solid argument, so your gambit fails
I already completely dismantled it.
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
>They don't
so how do I filter on the Steam store according to Steam DRM usage again?
And how do I download non-DRM games directly via web browser again?
Otherwise they push DRM. >community tags
are you moronic?
I'm supposed to BUY something from Steam, why would I trust a shitty community tag added by mentally ill dumb fricks, when it's not part of the contract?
>so how do I filter on the Steam store according to Steam DRM usage again?
Get the community to use tags or use a third party site.
You've been seething about this for months and every time I intellectually rape you by telling you to use a third party site. This is your only complaint because you're too fricking stupid to use a third party site. I accepted your concession months ago, I do the same now. >If you can't access those games without installing their own specific game client
You can, just install it once and uninstall steam.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I already completely dismantled it
You didn't. You just said you didn't care that they were indian and the implications thereof. >Remember: This is your "argument"
Thank you, I'm glad you like it so much that you keep bringing it back up. It is incredibly rock solid and applicable to many scenarios, due to its nature as a core truth about the world.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You just said you didn't care
I didn't say I didn't care. Calling someone "Indian" isn't an argument.
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Calling someone "Indian" isn't an argument.
That's an opinion. It doesn't actually counter the argument >Remember: This is your "argument".
Exactly. It's an argument. Something you don't actually have, and damn is mine a rock solid one
8 months ago
Anonymous
>That's an opinion
I can just as easily say its "not indian" as a counter-argument then.
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I can just as easily say its "not indian" as a counter-argument then.
You can't. Chromium is by its nature inherently and decisively indian. You're trying to argue against a fundamental fact of nature. To say it isn't indian is as schizo as arguing against the color of the sky or trying to say that fire isn't hot.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>without a translation layer
yes, when non moronic developers develop software for that, dumb frick.
Look at ScummVM, idiot.
This free open source project supports like 40 operating systems LMAO
And your cuck of a company called shit Valve can't do 3, because they are incompetent.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Get the community to use tags or use a third party site.
no, you purchase on Steam, Steam should tell you: yes, this has no DRM *and will never have DRM*.
If they don't do that, you must be moronic to buy anything on there.
Valve got the info, they refuse to show it, because they know it would backfire.
That's why they PUSH DRM, you liar.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you just need their shitty DRM client to download anything
therefore they push DRM.
otherwise they would allow download non-DRM games via any web browser.
8 months ago
Anonymous
You can download DRM-free games using SteamCMD. An even better option because you don't need a browser.
I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You can download DRM-free games using Steam
You are fricking moronic >better because you need no browser, just Steam, which LOCKS YOU OUT
lmao
I accept that you are mentally moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You are fricking moronic
Not an argument. >lmao
No an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>wiki made by trannies
I don't care.
The info should be available for all games on Steam itself, because it is.
I don't jump throw hoops, like a moron like you.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you just need Steam's DRM client to download anything >that's not pushing DRM
Yeah, you are mentally moronic. >you don't need a browser
lmao Steam is literally a web browser and a shitty one
8 months ago
Anonymous
>You need a webbrowser and to authenticate with GoG to download the install binaries. >You need steamCMD and to authenticate with Steam to download the binaries
There is no difference and I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>SteamCMD that locks you out >web browser bad because that still works fine
lmao schizo
8 months ago
Anonymous
How does SteamCMD lock you out exactly?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>SteamCMD isn't locking anyone out, it's not part of the Steam installation
troony you are off the charts
8 months ago
Anonymous
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it is when the person is a troony and mentally ill >use Steam to download games >no, that's not using Steam, it's just using Steam
mentally ill
get your head checked
8 months ago
Anonymous
>generic web browser for downloading from GOG >Steam* for downloading from Steam
The fact that you didn't notice the difference there shows that you're lost my friend
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the steamcmd version is better because I don't need a web browser and I can automate it.
>they just enforce Steam for all downloads >Steam isn't DRM
it is, liar.
and it locks you out, liar.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
troony, dilate and have a nice day
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>they just enforce everyone to only download games using their garbage DRM client >that's not pushing DRM
it is, and it's pushing proprietary garbage, or is the full source code of the Steam client available?
8 months ago
Anonymous
GPT post
8 months ago
Anonymous
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
GPT post
8 months ago
Anonymous
>you can't automate web browser stuff
lmao >it's better because it's Steam, which locks you out
schizo
8 months ago
Anonymous
Does GoG offer a command line download utility? No?
Steam wins.
8 months ago
Anonymous
One can easily automate simple web interactions, newbie
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Steam
locks you out, therefore only losers use it
proprietary garbage
8 months ago
Anonymous
>this guy has been shilling steam for at least 3 years now
But there are no Valve shills on Ganker despite the constant Steam Next Fest, Deck and Sales threads. It's okay when Valve does it or something.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't jump throw hoops
you certainly jump through hoops to make "arguments" like calling something "troony" in absence of any logical thought
8 months ago
Anonymous
you are mentally moronic, troony. >you can use Steam to download games
well duh that's the problem.
They push their DRM client and lock you out.
That's literally DRM.
8 months ago
Anonymous
complain to the devs using steam DRM. Not steams fault its entirely up to the developer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
It is Steam's fault for not letting me filter according to STEAM DRM, troony.
That's on Valve.
Using Google web browsers is also a decision by Valve and they are to blame.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't allow *USERS* to filter according to Steam DRM usage, instead they enforce using STEAM client to download anything, this means they push their DRM onto everyone.
Stop with the lies, shill.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
>I can just as easily say its "not indian" as a counter-argument then.
You can't. Chromium is by its nature inherently and decisively indian. You're trying to argue against a fundamental fact of nature. To say it isn't indian is as schizo as arguing against the color of the sky or trying to say that fire isn't hot.
Na, it's not indian.
is bad because it doesn't support 7 >Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages >>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
it is when the person is a troony and mentally ill >use Steam to download games >no, that's not using Steam, it's just using Steam
mentally ill
get your head checked
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>they just enforce Steam for all downloads >Steam isn't DRM
it is, liar.
and it locks you out, liar.
8 months ago
Anonymous
troony, dilate and have a nice day
8 months ago
Anonymous
Using whataboutism is an admission that even you are able to recognize that you yourself have no actual argument, and you attempt to regain credibility by saying someone else is doing so even worse than you are. Problem is >yeah well, they're indian
is a rock solid argument, so your gambit fails
>Or
There is no "or". If you haven't either switched to Linux or at least upgraded to 10 by now, you're either moronic or a zoomer who's been on 7 his whole short life and is irrationally afraid of installing another system.
it doesn't always work and sometimes, even when you enable this shit in some games, it will refuse to start the game.
the only true offline mode is piracy.
You are all literal cattle and you've been paying the people you're complaining about for decades.
If there are millions of morons that want to buy sand in the sahara, someone is going to start selling it.
This is not capitalism/commies, this is 99.9% of people being moronic animals.
Oh dont get me wrong.
Even thou i am deathmatch trash, i still have fun playing.
Would be cool if there was bonus carrot on stick thou (some cool expensive skin)
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
>I get all the gameplay for practically nothing >I get years and years of updates and support for nothing >The playerbase doesn't get fractured by updates >Artists in the community get a cut of the money >Valve get a cut of the money
Lootboxes were the best thing to happen to gaming. You must be a fricking moron to WANT to pay $80 every year for a new game.
People who work on community items and maps in games like TF2 and CSGO literally get a cut from all the profit made. That's how it has been for many years.
>Artists in the community get a cut of the money
?
Technically the maps on cs were bought with a one time purchase. The ones that get a cut are 3d artists that get their skin approved to show up in a specific case package.
>offers developers the best toolset in the industry >offers developers the biggest userbase in the industry >cries about 30%
See how much you make on other platforms moron.
>Sony asks for a 30% cut
... >MS asks for a 30% cut
... >Nintendo asks for a 30% cut
,,, >Steam asks for a 30% cut
THIS IS INSANE HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY CHARGE THAT MUCH?
Meanwhile Timmy is the only one offerin a sub-20% cut on his store and its literally dying. Checks out.
They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%, Valve would still be undisputed in that market, they would still have and endless flow of cash, it would be a pro developer move, a pro consumer move because game devs could sell games at lower prices, it would just be a good thing considering the context of valve being what it is. >but uhhh Epic does dat and uhhh look wah hapen to dem >:)
And Epic isn't Valve. Terrible argument.
The thing is that Valve literally follows the industry standard. That is 30%. They aren't more greedy than anyone else. And they actually offer valuable features and tools to developers unlike Sony or MS who just take a cut without providing much of value in return.
With Steam you get >tools that tell you who bought your game (hardware, age, region, what other games they enjoy) >actual sales trackers that recommend you the best time and percent to get the most out of your deals >steam servers >community hubs >the option to do live streams >free key generation for reviewers and promotions >multiple beta branches are selectable for your software >wishlist data
None of the other platforms offer that much value.
>They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%
They could also set it to 1% or even 0% you fricking moron. >Valve would still be undisputed in that market
They're undisputed because they already offer so much value to indies compared to the competition. >it would be a pro developer move, a pro consumer move because game devs could sell games at lower prices
In practise, this doesn't happen. Indies would simply pocket the additional money and Valve lose out. Part of Valve's business is providing a platform for indies to sell, and Steam by far offers the most value.
Frick off you moronic seething EGS shill.
>Game devs could sell games at lower prices 🙂
You are such a fricking moron if you genuinely believe this. The % that they get from game sales on Steam is higher than physical and yet the price is the same. WOW!
>devs passing on savings to consumer
not ONE dev on epic games despite the 12% cut sold their game for cheaper
when kh series released you had to pay full fricking price for each game when you could get the story so far on ps4 for 25 dollars
get the frick out of here
>They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%
why? what difference does it make to consumers? and why is valve singled out and berated for this when it's the same cut virtually every other corporation charges because it's literally industry standard?
>what difference does it make to consumers?
Steam takes 30% of developers/publishers income
Now someone with an IQ above room temperature would wonder where they are going to save that amount of money.
And then you look at PC gaming nowadays and you figure out that it's QA and testing, because there are Steam users who will do all of that for free, because they are brain fricked.
>Steam takes 30% of developers/publishers income
Yeah, just like everyone else. In retail the percentage is often much higher than that too. You have still refused to explain why valve and only valve is singled out here (we all know why).
>you figure out that it's QA and testing,
LMAO you're a fricking moron if you actually think publishers would actually try to improve their products instead of just pocketing the extra money. Publishers have absolutely no qualms dumping truckloads of money into studios, marketing and whatever else. The games are still shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, just like everyone else.
No one else does. >In retail the percentage is often much higher than that too.
False, supermarkets take around 10-12% only, which is fair for the PHYSICAL shelf space and the PEOPLE working there.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>No one else does.
Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Apple, Google, to name a few.
>supermarkets take around 10-12% only
The percentage depends entirely on the product's price, because of shelf space and stocking but I know it isn't as low as 12% for games.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo
yeah, it's their DEDICATED in house developed HARDWARE.
Call me again when Valve got their own DEDICATED hardware architecture and APIs and SDKs for developers instead of leeching off Windows.
Also why 30%?
Because VALVE, you dumb fook.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah, it's their DEDICATED in house developed HARDWARE.
so? what difference does it make?
>Call me again when Valve got their own DEDICATED hardware architecture and APIs and SDKs for developers instead of leeching off Windows.
valve seems to prefer user freedom to walled gardens, hence why they push linux and the Steam Deck just runs a fork of arch with an unlocked bootloader so that people can do whatever they want with the hardware they bought
8 months ago
Anonymous
>so? what difference does it make?
it costs MONEY to do that.
It also makes the job for GAME DEVELOPERS *WAY* easier than the shitty PC garbage.
That's why it makes sense that these companies take MORE, because they SUPPORT developers and have to create SDKs and other stuff to make life way easier for game developers. Nintendo in fact even does FREE MARKETING for good indie games.
Meanwhile Valve does frick all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Meanwhile Valve does frick all.
Steam is a pretty feature rich platform and the steam API takes care of a lot. Obviously consumers value it and publishers get burned every time they try to go the EGS exclusivity route so clearly there is value to that 30%
>user freedom to walled gardens >like when they lock you out of Windows 7, that's true freedom user freedom so to speak.
Imagine Nintendo pulling that shit
"sorry guys, Switch is not supported, this means we will lock everyone out, but buy a Switch 2 and maybe some of your games will continue to work again."
lmao
>like when they lock you out of Windows 7
windows 7 is about to stop receiving security updates so you need to give it a rest. it's dead
>sorry guys, Switch is not supported, this means we will lock everyone out, but buy a Switch 2
this analogy doesn't work because you have the freedom to install whatever OS you want, so that PC hardware won't be rendered useless even if 7 dies. also, didn't nintendo just permanently shut down their entire DS store for everyone just because pirates could directly download games from them?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>feature rich platform
no, it's a shitty DRM client, that's all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>this analogy doesn't work because you have the freedom to install whatever OS you want
Apparently not if you want to continue using Steam like you already have for over a decade
8 months ago
Anonymous
>install whatever OS you want
Steam locks me out of the OS I want, dumb ass.
>didn't nintendo just permanently shut down their entire DS store
DS store?
Are you moronic?
The DS had no digital store.
8 months ago
Anonymous
The 3DS did.
And its online play is going away entirely in a few months.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah the 3DS still allows re-downloads, unlike Valve
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
>unlike Valve
Source?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>still allows re-downloads, unlike Valve
what the frick are you even talking about
Steam lets you download every game that you bought no matter if delisted or not .What are you talking about?
>Steam locks you out >but that doesn't mean that downloads aren't working anymore >just start Steam (that locked you out and refuses to start) and re-download your games
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
>still being a wincuck in 2023
8 months ago
Anonymous
>still allows re-downloads, unlike Valve
what the frick are you even talking about
8 months ago
Anonymous
Steam lets you download every game that you bought no matter if delisted or not .What are you talking about?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Steam locks me out of the OS I want, dumb ass.
Everything is going to lock you out of the OS you want to use, because it's fricking dead. When it stops receiving security updates from M$ you will have no choice but to switch.
>DS store?
3DS, whatever
>so that PC hardware won't be rendered useless
Steam locks you out, lmao
Windows 10 + 11 don't run on all hardware lmao >but but Linux
Linux doesn't do that either lmao >just throw away your good working OS for a shit OS because why not?
Nintendo doesn't lock you out of old hardware.
It's sad that Valve is literally worse than Nintendo.
>Windows 10 + 11 don't run on all hardware lmao
Must suck being a wincu ck. maybe you should take it up with microshart.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Everything is going to lock you out of the OS
no, it doesn't.
It's only the Valve frickers.
My other software works just fine, including my web browser. >no choice >omg will anyone think of the security patches
I don't use Microsoft's browser, I'm good, troony.
8 months ago
Anonymous
bruh, literally the only reason valve is stopping support for your dead OS is because israelitegle is stopping support for your dead OS and the steam client depends on chromium
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but but israelitegle
Who is using israelitegle software again?
Oh right that's Valve.
And Valve is locking people out, troony.
Imagine trusting a shit company that makes a shit ton of money but copy+pastes google garbage, because they can't make a proper simple DRM launcher.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Modern browsers are massive. There is a reason all browsers that actually have full feature support for the modern web are either a fork of firefox or chromium.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>massive
Good that only moron developers would put a web browser into their garbage DRM client and call it a day.
8 months ago
Anonymous
for a simplistic store like Steam you don't need much, if anything.
it's a few text windows a few images that's it.
a proper developer would create a launcher that keeps on working.
OR make the launcher download games only and do the rest in the system's web browser, like proper software does.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>maybe Microsoft
No, it's your Valve cucks who lock people out.
Microsoft doesn't lock you out, lmao
You fricking troony liar.
Go home to reddit
8 months ago
Anonymous
windowgays are literally battered housewifes lmao. jesus just switch to fricking linux already
8 months ago
Anonymous
Linus doesn't want non-child murdering people to use his OS.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>so that PC hardware won't be rendered useless
Steam locks you out, lmao
Windows 10 + 11 don't run on all hardware lmao >but but Linux
Linux doesn't do that either lmao >just throw away your good working OS for a shit OS because why not?
Nintendo doesn't lock you out of old hardware.
It's sad that Valve is literally worse than Nintendo.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>user freedom to walled gardens >like when they lock you out of Windows 7, that's true freedom user freedom so to speak.
Imagine Nintendo pulling that shit
"sorry guys, Switch is not supported, this means we will lock everyone out, but buy a Switch 2 and maybe some of your games will continue to work again."
lmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
Windows 7 came out in 2009. Nintendo went through three console generations since then.
8 months ago
Anonymous
great, and I can still download digital games on my Wii
And the games for my Gamecube also still work.
But that's a walled garden, according to a lying prick like you
8 months ago
Anonymous
Right, and people still get absolutely mad when any console maker threatens to shut down their old digital storefronts for older generations. That's just for downloading the game in the first place. Now imagine if they shut down your ability to launch large swathes of your entire downloaded library at all.
>Sony asks for a 30% cut
... >MS asks for a 30% cut
... >Nintendo asks for a 30% cut
,,, >Steam asks for a 30% cut
THIS IS INSANE HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY CHARGE THAT MUCH?
Meanwhile Timmy is the only one offerin a sub-20% cut on his store and its literally dying. Checks out.
Nobody charges less than 30%, even beyond the game industry. Even so, if I was valve I'd give indies a break and charge less. They have more money than they can spend, giving small Devs the resources to continue making games would be best for the overall industry.
What is fair is completely arbitrary. If the industry standard was 50% you would say that was fair too. Valve has like 200 employees, they don't need 30% of a tiny developers peanut money.
based business model >all gameplay content is free >one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall) >no power is bought with money >loot boxes contain cosmetics >cosmetics/maps are made by the community >community gets a cut of the money >game has endless content >paypigs fund the games development >if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model >game has yearly releases that cost ($80) >paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable >previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster" >game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games >dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
>absolute garbage
you mean the game that gets updates and new gameplay changes every week, meanwhile the free-to-play Valve garbage gets 1 update every 15 years
Reminder that Steam lets developers generate Steam keys for free.
Reminder that Steam takes a 0% cut from those key sales. The 30% shit only applies when people buy shit directly on the Steam store. Not on sites like GMG, Humble or Indiegala.
They reserve the right to limit it when they notice that devs are actively trying to undercut their own store to hard. But generally speaking there is no hard limit.
I would buy shit on GOG again if they actually had something similar to proton or included already existing Linux builds.
That and they need to add games that people actually want.
You wanna tell me Deus Ex Human Revolution has a higher priority than Theme Park World and Black & White? GOG needs to look at their community list for once and see what games people actually wanna buy.
My main problem with GOG is that they simply got worse over time.
The original GOG was simply too good. >actual drm free games >lots of extras that come with each purchase >fair regional prices >multiplatform support >you decide how and where you play your games >you OWN your games >actually patch old games to make sure that they run on modern systems
Meanwhile now >Windows only >drm-"free" releases as a lot of stuff is now tied to Galaxy in order to function properly >no more extras >even let games like nu-HITMAN on the store originally even though its online only and only after heavy backlash they removed the game for breaking their original principals >patching games? nah, we only take games that we know work already and that have been on Steam for ages
Shit sucks. I say this as someone who has over 500 GOG games. The last time i bought something there was quite a few years ago.
What i am saying is that i can tolerate Valve milking dumb gambling addicts if it results into me getting better and more software and hardware.
I literally gain nothing from Blizzard making record profits. Valve meanwhile keeps that shit contained and the majority of Steam users reap the benefits from them milking those moronic whales.
valve is a privately owned company so the money goes to valve which they often use in interesting and creative projects. blizzard is publicly traded so the money goes to shareholding vultures. the distinction between private ownership and a publicly traded company is paramount.
Gun skins are the most bizarre thing for me. If anything I'd pay $1 to get a realistic skin instead of one with anime on it. That said in reality though I just won't buy your game
I'm shocked they haven't outlawed these "loot box" mechanics when it's essentially gambling and kids can easily do it. At least I think you should have too prove you're an adult before buying loot boxes. It's really psychologically damaging for young people, they shouldn't be taught these gambling mechanics as a "normal" thing.
based business model >all gameplay content is free >one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall) >no power is bought with money >loot boxes contain cosmetics >cosmetics/maps are made by the community >community gets a cut of the money >game has endless content >paypigs fund the games development >if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model >game has yearly releases that cost ($80) >paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable >previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster" >game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games >dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
>muh free market
As you can clearly see, the "free market" has a monopoly called Steam with mentally ill moron users, who will defend it no matter what
there is no free market in a system that taxes small business to death and allows corporations to hire lobbyists.
it’s a buy-in market, you’re either born rich or in a ditch and for every “success”’ story there are a million good people getting fricked by taxes and regulations.
this “free market” you laud is what allows ceo’s to take million dollar bonuses while laying off real workers, it allows corporations to displace families to build factories, it allows career politicians to surreptitiously install monarchies, it allows us all minuscule comforts in exchange for our entire lives in service to another’s ideals.
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valve is a privately owned company so the money goes to valve which they often use in interesting and creative projects. blizzard is publicly traded so the money goes to shareholding vultures. the distinction between private ownership and a publicly traded company is paramount.
Valve exploit gamblers but they give us good shit in return for it.
Blizzard and other companies meanwhile push for this shit in literally every game they make. Because shareholder interests there are more important than the opinion of players. The goal for a company like Activision is not making good games - Its making games that are just good enough to get monetized to the brim.
Valve meanwhile are a private entity and they use the money they make with games like CS2, Dota or TF2 to invest into projects like Linux gaming, VR hardware and more community features.
If i don't play CS2, Dota or TF2 none of that shit ends up effecting me. I can keep using Steam and get more features for literally nothing all because gamblers keep funding the machine.
If children gambling is illegal then streaming people gambling in a non-educational context should also be forbidden.
It's actually legal for most women in the USA to be topless AT ALL AGES EVEN, it's just FCC guidelines prevent it from being broadcast on open airwaves or streams despite it literally being sexist as there is no issue from men of all ages from broadcasting the same (no one has actually took them to federal court over it OR they have settled out of court for large sums of cash from the government); they should do the same to lootbox openings to stop streamers from advertising gambling to kids.
i don't understand skins. it's just a coloured digital gun. it's not worth anything. why are people wasting money on this stuff? what's wrong with default skins? it's how guns are supposed to look anyway, i genuinely hate what skins have done to the aesthetic of games.
the main difference with counter strike skins is that it's not just a digital gun, it is literally gambling. You can sell these skins for steam currency and if you have something actually valuable, you can just sell it for real money instead on a third party site
>You can sell these skins for steam currency
Yeah, but you can only do that if you sell it to someone else. Even if it's because it's rare, people still have to value the skins in general in order to value that a skin is rare, so it leads back to just being a digital texture that people are getting their dicks out for
>people think a lower cut would benefit them
Why? EGS has a lower cut but the games there are just as expensive as the Steam releases - sometimes even more.
You really think devs would lower the prices of their games if Valve lowered their cut from 30% to something like 20% or 15%.
Lol
Lmao even.
Where is the money going? Genuinely what the frick is Gabe doing with it? He's not releasing anything
I wouldn't mind Gabe's 30% market black hole if there was at least a working dev studio in that black hole
Reminder that a 30% cut is still better than offering physical releases.
A developers gets less than 50% of the money after the logistics and storefronts took their cut. A copy sold on Steam is worth way more than a copy sold in Gamestop.
It literally is. Why do you think is physical media dying? Because publishers wanna cut costs and giving platforms like Sony or Steam 30% is way better than letting everyone take a cut from physical releases.
>you pay for the disc/cartridge >you pay for the transport >you sell it low enough so Target/Walmart/Gamestop can get their cut >there might also be licensing fees involved
In short: >Third-party publishers make $49 on digital and around $35 on physical (40% less). >First-party publishers make $70 on digital and around $45.50 on physical (53.8% less).
>Why do you think is physical media dying?
Where is it dying?
It's dead on PC, because Valve killed it.
On Switch I can get almost all indies (good ones) on physical cart, hahahaha
and I own them all.
Meanwhile 1 gen ago I could only own a very very limited amount of games that way
10 years ago physical still made up 80+% of all sales on consoles
Nowadays on the Switch and PS5 its closer to 40-50% Digital is taking over. It just takes way longer.
That's statistic trickery by Snoy >Limited Run isn't expanding >noooo, they are going bankrupt any moment now
2 weeks lmao
Of course shit companies like Valve or Microsoft don't want game ownership., they want every digital for full control. They are anti-customer.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>limited run
Literally irrelevant. Those fricks create a small amount of physical copies so scalpers on ebay can later charge a premium for it. They are not making physical more accessable.
A GB doesn't require updates or servers in order to function. Your PS4 and PS5 will be ltierally deadweight bricks the moment Sony decides to pull the plug.
8 months ago
Anonymous
the PS4 CMOS shit got patched, not that I support PS4.
the PS3 CMOS shit did not get patched.
>>you pay for the disc/cartridge >>you pay for the transport
So?
At least I'm not funding a fat lying frick called Gabe.
And on top of that I OWN THE GAMES, I can sell them.
Meanwhile you keep on coping.
>i own the games
You own an installer. Most of the time the game requires a download. Which ties it to you having a profile on that system. And often enough companies sell you fake discs these days made out of paper where a PS download code is written on it.
>You own an installer.
lmao > Most of the time the game requires a download
Mine don't, liar.
there are shit releases coming from Rockstar, but I refuse to buy that garbage.
He's right. It costs money to create physical copies of a game, it costs nothing to create digital copies. It costs money to store physical copies of a game in warehouses (such spaces are typically rented rather than owned) until they can be distributed to retailers, while a digital version just sits on a hard drive waiting to be copied to a digital storefront's servers. It costs money to have physical games shipped to retailers at thousands of store locations, which involves paying a third party logistics company. Sending a digital copy to a digital storefront requires one person to upload it.
Yes, servers are cheap, so 5% it is.
No customer support people, no physical shelf space, nothing. That means it must be way lower than what supermarkets are taking.
Glad we agree.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Well there you go. Sounds like you got your business plan. Get to it.
>...because all games sell for full price on Steam >...and the visibility of every game is like the one in a dedicated video game store >...and you see Steam is super user friendly with its 2 hour refund window
>Steam does not force DRM
Why can't I filter according to Steam DRM usage?
Why isn't it shown?
Why can't I DOWNLOAD DRM-free games via web browser, huh Gabe? >Steam doesn't force
lmao
lies
you can't download these non-DRM games (which you don't even know about) onto "unsupported" configurations.
Meanwhile I can do that with GOG.
There are third party sites that do this for you. Not an issue.
Steam does not allow direct download of installers from its website for DRM-Free material like true DRM-Free storefronts do. Effectively, this still acts as a limited form of DRM, as you have to install their client to access the games at all.
>Steam does not allow direct download of installers from its website for DRM-Free material like true DRM-Free storefronts do.
Install steam.
Download game.
Uninstall steam.
Easy peasy.
>third party sites
I don't have a purchase contract with 3rd party sites.
You said Steam wouldn't push DRM, but they do.
They don't mark games as such, although it would be trivial for them to do so.
They don't allow to directly download them either.
>I don't have a purchase contract with 3rd party sites.
Yeah but people use third party sites all the time for reviews and mods etc. >You said Steam wouldn't push DRM, but they do.
They don't. There are many games that ship without DRM. >They don't mark games as such, although it would be trivial for them to do so.
Community tags solve this problem. >They don't allow to directly download them either.
Neither do GoG. You still need a GoG account to download them.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>They don't
so how do I filter on the Steam store according to Steam DRM usage again?
And how do I download non-DRM games directly via web browser again?
Otherwise they push DRM. >community tags
are you moronic?
I'm supposed to BUY something from Steam, why would I trust a shitty community tag added by mentally ill dumb fricks, when it's not part of the contract?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Neither do GoG
It does. >but but account
yeah, I *log in* using ANY web browser and DOWNLOAD my games via web browser.
That even works still on Windows XP.
GOG doesn't block you because you use Windows XP.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>yeah, I *log in*
Ok so it isn't DRM free. I can't FTP directly to GOG's web servers and download games without logging in, they are FORCING me to log into their propriety garbage in order to download games.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>propriety garbage
a HTML compliant web site isn't proprietary, you fricking imbecile
but a shitty closed source DRM client software is, despite no need for that being the case, remember "DRM free", so let me download these games via web browser
8 months ago
Anonymous
>a HTML compliant web site isn't proprietary, you fricking imbecile
nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself
remember "DRM free", so let me download these games without a log in and without GOG's bundled installer.
proprietary log in website == not DRM free, dumb frick
8 months ago
Anonymous
>There are many games that ship without DRM
If you can't access those games without installing their own specific game client, then they're forcing DRM
8 months ago
Anonymous
You can install and play those games on PCs without Steam, which makes them DRM free. You just can't download it from their servers using a web browser.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>>"If you can't access those games WITHOUT INSTALLING THEIR OWN SPECIFIC GAME CLIENT" >you just can't download them without using a proprietary DRM client >just
low IQ shill detected
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah it's you. >UH I CAN'T DOWNLOAD FROM THEIR SERVERS ON MY INTERNET EXPLORER
Irrelevant. The fact is you can install and play these games without using their client. The are objectively DRM-Free games.
Cry harder.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Irrelevant
lmao
One is using open web standards
the other one is a closed proprietary garbage client, which is actually a web browser in disguise and you can't download anything without it, which makes zero sense
Valve is therefore PUSHING DRM even when the developer decided that no DRM is fine. Valve ignores developers.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>One is using open web standards
Irrelevant
You don't need to use the client to install and play these games. >which is actually a web browser in disguise
Also false. Only the store and community are web based. >Valve is therefore PUSHING DRM even when the developer decided that no DRM is fine
Valve sells DRM free games and there is not a single games developer who is demanding their games be downloaded from steam through a web browser
Cry more.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Irrelevant when you can't download it in the first place and when none of it is marked in the store in the first place
>it's not a web browser in disguise >it is a web browser in disguise for the store and "community" garbage, which is literally everything
schizo
>Valve sells DRM free games
not according to their store
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Irrelevant
No. The fact that you can install and play without the steam client makes it DRM-Free. >and when none of it is marked in the store in the first place
Wrong again bozo. Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game and doesn't use a different DRM is a DRM free game
>>it is a web browser in disguise for the store and "community" garbage, which is literally everything
Except the part where you download and access the games.
sells DRM free games >not according to their store
They are objectively DRM free
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You're a schizo whining about muh web browser when nobody sane gives a shit.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>it's DRM free, when you have to download it using a DRM client
nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself >Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game
Bullshit there are games with Steam achievements and therefore use Steamworks without DRM, you fricking liar >objectively DRM'd >downloading doesn't count!!!
proprietary DRM downloader == not DRM free, dumb frick
8 months ago
Anonymous
>nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself
Oh the irony.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>spout bullshit >get called out >no, no, u
8 months ago
Anonymous
Again, the irony.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>out of arguments
I accept your concession.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Again, the irony
8 months ago
Anonymous
Again, the moron
8 months ago
Anonymous
>moron
Oh the irony.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Oh the moron without arguments
8 months ago
Anonymous
>DRM free >DRM-free games: 1,029 out of 41,017 games in total.
lmao
that can't be all, can it?
What a shit show
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
Postal Link Steamworks title. Free.
Postal 2 Link Steamworks title.
Postal 2: Paradise Lost Link Steamworks title.
Postal 4: No Regerts Link Steamworks title.
Planetary Annihilation: Titans Link Steamworks title.
roflmao
8 months ago
Anonymous
None of those games use Steamworks DRM. Try again.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>just figure it out yourself
WHY IS THE SHITTY STEAM STORE NOT SAYING WHICH IS USING SHIT DRM AND WHICH ISN'T
8 months ago
Anonymous
It does, you're just moronic.
8 months ago
Anonymous
no, it does not.
Where does it say Steam DRM free, you fricking liar
8 months ago
Anonymous
Learn to read.
8 months ago
Anonymous
it doesn't say that anywhere, you fricking liar >Steamworks
doesn't mean DRM or no DRM either, liar
8 months ago
Anonymous
>DRM free >gotta download them using the DRM client
choose one, moron
>Steam does not force DRM
Why can't I filter according to Steam DRM usage?
Why isn't it shown?
Why can't I DOWNLOAD DRM-free games via web browser, huh Gabe? >Steam doesn't force
lmao
lies
you can't download these non-DRM games (which you don't even know about) onto "unsupported" configurations.
Meanwhile I can do that with GOG.
Steam does not allow direct download of installers from its website for DRM-Free material like true DRM-Free storefronts do. Effectively, this still acts as a limited form of DRM, as you have to install their client to access the games at all.
>dude we are so oppressed! the elite and Washington just want to suck all our money up and force us to live paycheck to paycheck! >spend half your earned money on phone games, loot boxes, and 7 different streaming subscriptions
No one is poor no one is homeless, everyone is fricking lying. You're as greedy as the companies just fricking admit it.
>could blame MS for abandoning Win7 >could blame Google for killing Chrome support on 7 which is the main reason why support for it stops >but blames Valve instead even though they can't do anything about it except developing an entirely new browser environment from scretch just so that the last remaining Win7 users keep official support for a little longer.
The Win7 gays will switch anyway once they realize that Chrome dying there also means that discord and other platforms start cucking them. Just switch to Linux already if you hate W10/11 so much.
>will switch
nope >but Chrome
I don't use Chrome, lmao >discord
lmao troony >discord is a platform
lmao no it's a shitty website >Linux
I don't support child murdering psychos like Linus
You Win7 gays shouldn't worry about Steam but all the other shit that will break once Google pulls the plug on you.
Only a matter of time until Youtube stops working for you especially with all the recent update frickery they are doing to get rid of adblocks.
I honestly can't make myself give a shit about windows 7 homosexuals whining for the umpteenth time that such and such isn't supporting them anymore. We go through this song and dance with something different every week, nobody is going to bend the knee to a tiny percentage of holdouts for no fricking benefit to themselves whatsoever.
Gamblinggays are literally worse than all other kinds of junkies combined. I've seem so many have their lives completely ruined by compulsive gambling. I even used to know an ex-heroin addict but I have yet to meet an ex-gambler.
I don't mind them doing that. I just hate that their degenerate addiction is being pushed on the rest of us through all forms of entertainment and is turning everything it touches into rancid shit.
Lootboxes are great. The game has any sort of gameplay changes tied to a paid random
system? Not worth playing. The game has a price tag yet the devs want to double dip on their player base? Not worth playing
Communism and Socialism are the same as capitalism. In fact communism is more capitalist than capitalism itself. Capitalism is at least capable of failing itself where communism always benefits capital and corporations and banking cartels that frick you over are part of the government now instead of completely separate where the political and financial elite have no power and can't lord over you as rulers like in capitalism.
>"it's just skins bro" >company stop giving a shit about the game and it devolves into a platform to milk gambling addicts because that makes them way more money
Capitalism makes me feel sick. I wish there was a better system.
There is. Its called communism.
>spend money on e-stickers
vs
>spend 6 hours in a bread line
item based trade is the only way, delete currency, return to barter.
here's your (You)
Unironically have a nice day.
He said better, not moronic
I'm sure normally no one replies to your inane posts but today I'm going to do you the favor and let you know this has gotta be one of the most midwit IQ posts I've seen on here
NTA, but you'd have to be a real fricking moron to look at socialism without realizing it's just merchants hyping up the lower classes to go back into serfdom.
The first thing that happens after every revolution is getting rid of dipshits like you who like to have opinions, protip: take off your glasses
>it's just merchants hyping up the lower classes to go back into serfdom.
You just described anarcho capitalism
>mentally ill communist can't into economics
Keep seething comrade
Pot calling the kettle a Black person.
Nah commies are just moronic
Again, pot calling the kettle a Black person.
he said better anon
starving is not better
troony detected
there were no trannies in the soviet union
At least it'd fix the lootbox issue. No video game industry and hobbyists too busy starving to death means no games, which means no more lootboxes.
Communism means the people who make the product also own the product. In this case, it means all employees can benefit from CS2 making a shitload of money, not just Gabe and a few other executives.
So no, it wouldn't fix the lootbox issue.
gambling wouldn't be allowed
Communism is more capitalist than capitalism itself. Capitalism is at least capable of failing itself where communism always benefits capital.
Ok, share your credit card info, I promise ill only take what I need.
>Work 70weeks
>Earn as much as someone working 20hrs weeks
>My wages are taken to help the poor
FRICK
THE
POOR
You just described capitalism, just replace the poor with the rich.
have a nice day devil spawn
Too bad, there isn’t. And legit never will be. We are at the apex until smart ass aliens swoop in and laser brain a new system for us
you just hate human behavior.
too bad
I don't really understand the online right's relationship with capitalism. You guys seem to recognize how capital and profit-seeking frick up our society in all kinds of ways ("wagie" culture, dating apps & social media, processed foods, as examples). israelite stereotypes are capitalist stereotypes. And it's fine to say let's destroy the israelites. But say let's change capital, and suddenly you'll defend the israelites because it means defending capitalism or "human nature". I don't get it. I don't think capitalism is compatible with a bright future for the white race.
Socially conservative actual Marxism-Leninism is based. Modern "Marxism" is cancer.
>Socially conservative actual Marxism-Leninism
Doesn't exist in any meaningful way. 99% of you support socially conservative values first and foremost, which is why you think marxism is cancer since you don't have any regard to material conditions of the working class.
>Doesn't exist in any meaningful way.
It existed until 1989.
It's was alright when the capitalists were religious, believed in something beyond money and felt an attachment to their countries of origin. It's less a problem with the system now and just that modern culture and the behaviour it engenders is total shit.
when was that? in the 19th century when christian, european children worked in dangerous factories for a pittance, owned by christian, european capitalists?
Never happened. The irish aren’t Europeans or people, merely human shaped parasites that learnt to mimic speech and any so-called "exploitation" of their spawn Christian Europeans capitalists, was merely God’s Will
You are a full blown moron. The English are largely Celtic in origin too. A lot of English myths date back to the Celts (King Arthur and the like). Or are you taking about the "superior" German race that ape out and completely destroy Europe every now and again? Either way this behaviour isn't very Christian of you.
>English are largely Celtic in origin
THey're called the anglo-sexons not the anglo-celtic
in the age of the internet, restricting your network to a nation you merely lucked into through a birth you didnt choose is backwards thinking. imo future states will give more flexibility to an individuals choices and preferences on who to fraternize and live with, and such choice will no longer be as strongly bound by the circumstances of ones birth.
yipppieeeeee allow toilberg to literally beat you and pay you in monopoly money and bomb strikers
kys commie
How bout you stop hatin and get money you wagie homosexual.
Capitalism 2
I require capitalism 2.
>some guy is opening video game boxes?
>AHHHH FRICKING TEAR IT DOWN
Source?
Why?
There is
Its called fascism
its literally worst of both worlds
lmao, I would mention what country went from faield state to superpower for not relying on banks but jannies have their priorities (keep the board on the worse state possible)
they literally had to start a world war because their absurd debt scheme was unsustainable unless they start looting neighboring countries
>unless they start looting neighboring countries
not my problem
> not my probl-*ACK*
its literally the best
massive productivity and prioritizes the majority
There is no system nor can a system be designed that protects the moronic from the crafty. There are a few that help insulate the vulnerable in society but uh, yeah we fought wars over it.
Whatever system you come up with, the same people will be at the top.
What's painful is there pretty much isn't. Regulation can help, but it can also hinder. I feel your pain.
National Socialism
>people spend money how they want
>society is collapsing
People doing "what they want" by which you mean living as impulsively as possible has never once been the benchmark for a healthy society.
relax bro, you'd be an incel neet under any system
This is not even capitalism.
This is just moronation.
>it's not real capitalism
oh how the tables have turned
Gambling isn't capitalism you fricking moron.
Well there is not.
NOOOOOOO HOW DARE PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY PAY FOR THINGS
THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED UNDER COMMUNISM
People using their fairly earned money to invest in hobbies and interests is LE BAD. We should be spending all our money to support hobos and Black person tribes instead.
Capitalism isn't necessarily the problem here, it's influence over people, marketing specifically. Why do you think people are consumerist? Because they've been influenced to be. The people who stood/stand to gain the most from having a consumerist populus started, and subsequently put millions into marketing in order to influence the populus to buy their things so they could/can get rich.
THIS is the real problem.
tons of people especially Steamies being low IQ is the actual problem
you see it here
>Steam locks you out
>but just use Steam to download non-DRM games, it totally works
>Steam locks you out
>just use Steam to download
>Steam locks out out
>Steam good because you can automate it
>web sites bad because you can't automate these (lie)
they are mentally moronic.
they are not even on the level of a child.
You couldn't frick over a child nearly as much as Steamies are done for
All the steamieposting in the world won’t bring the EGS into profitability.
>but but EGS
obsessed
You think people being moronic is a consequence of capitalism?
>"I wish there was a system that forced human nature to conform to my strict sensibilities."
They're only making that money because people WANT to buy these things, you should be angry that people are so moronic they want these things not angry at the company providing them.
>he fell for the appeal to nature meme
Unless you are an anarchist you are advocating for a a system that forces human nature to conform to your strict sensibilities.
My point is you're blaming the system for human behavior and advocating for people to have less freedom because they have the choice to buy dumb shit and be idiots.
Who is responsible for people's desire to buy dumb cosmetics other than the people with the desire?
People are responsible for themselves.
Your point falls flat on its face precisely because you are blaming human behavior on the failings of the system. And no one appealing to human nature is concerned with freedom, you just worship the market like it's some infallible deity.
>Your point falls flat on its face precisely because you are blaming human behavior on the failings of the system
I'm literally saying the opposite.
Then teach people to think for themselves. People have the responsibility of their own control.
No you're not. You're using "human nature" as an excuse for the failings of the system you defend.
What is the failing of the system?
What system am I defending?
Literally all i'm saying is that capitalism didn't make these people buy dumb shit, it just allowed them to.
That's not a defense of anything, but your statement that another system would mean people wouldn't want to buy dumb shit is ridiculous.
Human beings aren't infinitely malleable putty, we're animals.
If your point is that the system should be authoritarian so that people aren't allowed to buy dumb shit then THAT is a system limiting human nature.
because they're just providing an item that people want. if there's a dozen people outside your door saying "hey i want to buy your worthless garbage" you're not a bad person for selling it to them and anyone outside this saying "how dare that man sell those innocent people his worthless garbage" is an idiot.
this isn't to say that there haven't been manipulative companies that have sought out successfully to convince people that they need a product they don't, which is ethically dubious at best. but as far as i can tell cosmetics sell themselves.
You have a mental disease called "libertarianism", get yourself checked, kid.
Or is this one of those things like in those online communist culture ware guides where they say "DON'T AT ANY COST START ACTUALLY ARGUING OR ENGAGING WITH THEIR POINTS, DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT, DON'T THINK DON'T THINK DON'T THINK"?
>I am not.
Okay christcuck.
And are you seriously comparing video game skins to child porn?
there's a difference between buying dumb shit and buying harmful shit.
Why would anyone sane seriously engage in arguging with online lolbertarian culture warriors who think covid is just the flu? You're a clown shoe.
>Okay Christcuck
I am not a Christcuck moron either.
Jesus probably never even existed. It's an allegory.
>we're animals.
no, you are.
I am not.
>If your point is that the system should be authoritarian so that people aren't allowed to buy dumb shit then THAT is a system limiting human nature.
>you should be allowed to buy child porn
>and pay to torture animals
Nope.
In fact McDonalds should be closed down.
>Then force the market to be a perfect homonucleous.
Like I said, hyper individualism has fried your brain. There is no save for you.
Why not do both? Why do the amorphas mass of consumers have all the responsibility but the actual people running these companies and making these decisions have no responsibility of their own?
also i should add it's not an amorphous mass, it's every individual's responsibility.
>yer mentally ill
some answer
Do you personally feel completely controlled by everything?
Do you have no control over yourself?
Do you feel no responsibility for yourself and your own actions?
I'm not even a libertarian, why is "people have a responsibility for their own choices and behavior" a libertarian position to you?
Hyper individualism has rotted your brain just as I said. Libertarianism is a mental disorder and your clown ideology does not warrant serious discussion.
Why do you think you don't have responsibility for your own actions and choices?
How is "People can choose what they do" a hyper-individualistic position?
We're not drones.
I'm not a libertarian and i haven't expressed any opinion on covid you're just putting words in my mouth to disregard me.
>muh bersonal responsiability
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CORONA NOT REAL DA VAX IS THE REAL VIRUS
Like I said, you "people" are subhumans who are totally fricked in the head. Learn life.
>DA VAX
Pfizer themselves laughed and said no, when they were asked if they tested if it lowered "transmission rates".
It's on video.
You would know that if you weren't brain dead.
>but but conspiracy
>but but big pharma
>but but taxation is theft
>
Are you a slave to everything around you?
[...]
>In your democracy you can choose the war criminal.
and under authoritarianism you can't, wow what a great system.
No small group of people should have total, unquestionable control of the rest of the people, period.
>but but muh bersonal responsibility
Libertarianism status: mentally disabled
>muh bersonal responsiability
Are you a slave to everything around you?
>In your democracy you can choose the war criminal.
and under authoritarianism you can't, wow what a great system.
No small group of people should have total, unquestionable control of the rest of the people, period.
>individualism bad
>group think good
>OMG CNN SAID CORONA WILL KILL US ALL
>DOC, SHOOT THAT UNTESTED PHARMA SHIT INTO MY VEINS TO PROTECT ME FROM DA VIRUS
pathetic
Have you never heard of marketing? These companies literally hire behavioral psychologists in order to sell more lootboxes
>People are responsible for themselves.
Hyperindividualism has fried your brain. Total brainrot.
>people should be infantilized from responsibility because of carny marketing practices
cringe take imo
le market is a perfectly rational meritocracy you should be angry at what massive, formless groups do instead of blaming actual identifiable individuals who are ultimately responsible for it. Might as well bring back child labor and slavery back at this point.
>Human nature
These systems were put in place by israelites and East Asian bugs. Neither are human.
In a world where people can buy pretty much anything they want they choose to buy this worthless shit, that is human nature.
this isn't some machination or alteration of humanity; in a world of excess people value worthless shit.
acting like an authoritarian government is ever the better option because people can choose to buy dumb stuff is ridiculous.
Communism and Socialism are the same as capitalism, the only difference is that the corporations and banking cartels that frick you over are part of the government now. The political and financial elite still lord over you as rulers, just with le hungry hammer on their flag.
In a capitalist society the corporations ARE the government, they're just sneakier about it.
We need some kind of inbetween, like "democratic republic".
the goberment is simply too fricking slow to ban lootboxes
or they do and devs will think of some way they can still legaly sell gambling boxes to kids
so yeah its quite literally the goverments job
All systems turn into capitalism eventually, you might be thinking of democracy and yeah it sucks. It was better in the past tho, when the average moron had no voting rights
Capitalism without democracy is even worse than it is with democracy. You're basically arguing for an oligarchy.
The world is becoming more like Deus Ex every day. China will at least stand up to its companies while democracies will do nothing until long after they pass the cyberpunk event horizon
Government control is even worse. China is already fricked. That's why they can't see our internet.
Capitalism without democracy just results in accelerating even further to your Deus Ex nightmare world. China is also on their way towards a cyberpunk dystopia, but in a more brutal and oppressive fashion.
Captialism with democracy is the reason why we're in the state we are in now you braindead Black person cattle. Democracy can only work in a homogenous country where the populace isn't being intentionally miseducated to better become servants of the state.
>Democracy can only work
democracy is a control method, most people are low IQ, see this thread especially Steamies
also democracy - if elections weren't rigged - would be a dictatorship of the majority and they could anything to the minority including genocide
no
Your alternative is a dictatorship of the minority where they do anything to the majority including actual genocide. Just another control method where you launder property ownership as IQ
>alternative
nope
>the minority can do genocide
lmao
it's always the moronic majority that does that
>nope
So you have no argument
>genocides can't be done by a minority
lmao
it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide.
you are thinking incorrectly
>it's either that or that
false
>it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide
impossible
see Nazis, who did the genocide?
the moronic masses, that you want to give control over everything
that are "just following orders"
without these NPCs no genocide ever
>>it's either that or that
>false
You openly admit you have no alternative.
>>it's literally always the moronic minority that does genocide
>impossible
moron.
no, i didn't mention it, you dumb frick
>no, it's not the moronic masses
it always are
remember covid?
now think what would have happened if the majority wasn't moronic cattle.
Do you think police enforces would go against millions of people?
No, they don't.
but they can go against a few hundred that go against the main stream.
>no, i didn't mention it,
Because you have no argument. You can't defend any alternative.
>>no, it's not the moronic masses
>it always are
>remember covid?
The virus that originated from a country without democracy.
>because
you are making shit up
>the virus
there is no virus, moron.
>you are making shit up
nope.
>there is no virus
You are moronic.
>but but there was a very dangerous virus
where did the flu go?
>uhhhh the masks stopped the flu
nope
>but but corona was too strong
you calling anyone moronic is hilarious
btw. flu - not infectious, therefore corona - not infectious lmao
You are terminally moronic.
>the flu disappeared because of masks
masks don't work at all, as proven this year by meta studies
>but but the flu disappeared
you calling anyone moronic is hilarious
corona = renamed flu
Alright moron.
>it was super dangerous, because CNN said so
lmao
>You want to replace the masses
Where do your masses have actual control right now?
They don't.
But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps. That's your masses.
>it was just the flu because /misc/ said so
lmao
the official mortality was even lower than the average flu, lmao
the average age of "covid deaths", which were simply people who died because of whatever but had a positive PCR test, which doesn't mean anything, was ABOVE the average mortality
If you are not brain dead, you should understand what this means.
You are brain dead.
>no argument
Average age of corona deaths ABOVE average age of all deaths means corona is not a problem at all.
But you listened to CNN. Your fault.
Arguments are for reasonable people, not brainless morons like you. Pearls before swine.
>But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps
Ok but that didn't happen
You are moronic.
>But during Corona they would have locked everyone not complying into concentration camps. That's your masses.
No that's Nazi Germany, not a democracy.
>it's not a democracy when the masses want to lock everyone that isn't a moron like them into cagies
it would be though.
>it's ok for the ruling class to want to lock everyone that isn't a moron like them into cagies because they're not a democracy
You're moronic.
>a few people and police could do that against the WILL of the majority
false
a few million people fighting police enforcers and that would be the end of the police
simple as that.
that's why Nazis chose the israeli minority.
You can't go against the majority.
You select a small group and blame them for whatever shit you are cooking and the moronic masses will go along with it.
>>a few people and police could do that against the WILL of the majority
Thats exactly what happens without democracy.
>dictatorship of the masses can't happen in democracy
it literally is dictratorship of the masses.
>yes, we want all corona-deniers in jail
Your alternative is a dictatorship of the minority
>No!
Yes moron. Corona deniars are mushbrained morons.
you can't even think of anything else.
you are brain fricked.
How much control do you have?
Did you vote Republican or Democrat?
Who did start wars?
Bush? yes
King Black person? yes, of course
so who do you vote for when you don't want wars?
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds, calls the menu a democracy and chooses to get some garbage, but you don't understand that it's all garbage and you are not in control of the menu.
>you can't even think of anything else.
>you are brain fricked.
No thats you. You can't actually defend your alternative and because you are totally fricked in the head.
>your alternative
I didn't even mention it.
I told you to educate yourself.
How much control do you have?
Did you vote Republican or Democrat?
Who did start wars?
Bush? yes
King Black person? yes, of course
so who do you vote for when you don't want wars in your democracy?
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds, calls the menu a democracy and chooses to get some garbage, but you don't understand that it's all garbage and you are not in control of the menu.
YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF THE MENU.
>I didn't even mention it.
Because you can't actually defend it. You don't have an actual argument.
>buh buh educate yourself
Suck my dick.
>it
So which is my alternative, that I didn't mention?
> food analogy
You are the moron that goes to McDonalds and then cries to abolish the government because you have to pay tax on your order.
taxation is robbery, literally.
In your democracy you can choose the war criminal. What a great system.
You don't get any choice under authoritarianism
Nazi Germany wasn't a democracy moron.
The Nazi's weren't a democratic state. The whole reason they could do a genocide was because they abolished the democratic functions of the state.
lmao
the Nazis won elections
>democratic functions
>noooo, 90% can't be moronic cattle and vote for a Fuhrer, that's not democratic
but they do
>implying Nazi germany was a democracy
>implying Nazi germany was lefist
lmao
democracy is a control method, idiot
elections are rigged, always
educate yourself what was before Weimar Germany and how that worked.
- no parties
- no democracy garbage
- no professional politicians
Who was the one with the most power?
>democracy is when elections are rigged
>democracy is a control method
lmao
again: show me all that control that you have.
Did you stop the Iraq war somehow?
Or the Afghanistan war?
Did you vote for that, or against it?
Did you vote to get robbed even more through taxes, or not?
>implying wars don't happen without democracy
Ah yes, Afghanistan famously never invaded by anyone until a democratic country did it.
well did this "democracy" help, or not?
And why didn't the masses stop it?
How many demonstrated, and nothing happened, lmao
because you have no control, zero
the actual way that the masses has control is through the fake money. You vote for treating chicken like shit for your chicken mcNuggets and you show how evil you are.
>no democracy gives you more control than democracy which is why the USSR never invaded Afghanistan
>the actual way that the masses has control is through the fake money.
lmao
>democracy
is a method of control
you vote for "parties", which are not only all corrupt, but you vote for a bundle.
>pro war, but also promise to lower taxes
yes, I will take that bundle
after election:
>oopsie, pro war, but no lower taxes
Oh noes, but in 4 years I won't fall for that
lmao
When will your democratic justice system arrest these liars? It won't.
Again if you had a brain, you would look into Sacred Germany and how that worked, but you don't
>democracy is a method of control
>money is not a method of control
>muh taxes
>muh Sacred Germany
You have actual shit for brains
>muh money
you vote with your money
you vote for animal abuse and the ones in control see that you are all animal abusers and morons. you think they give you any control, you fricking animal torturer?
>but I need my Happy Meal
cattle
If the masses weren't brain dead, McDonalds would be bankrupt.
>he actually fell for the "voting with your wallet" meme
NGMI
it's the only actual vote and you are doing it daily.
Most is controlled by corporations, but you give them the power.
>but I must order from Amazon
cattle
they would all fail if you stopped complying.
You're using Nazi germany as an argument *against* democracy. You have no clue about anything let alone the history of Germany.
it's an argument that shows what moronic masses are doing and capable of, and therefore democracy - if it was real - would be shit.
Fake News: omg we are getting attacked by China, WE MUST USE THE MILITARY
masses: OMG, we get attacked, yes, use the military to murder 500 million chinks
this is what I mean. moronic masses in control == Hillary in control. No difference. Except that maybe Hillary would be honest and say yes, I did murder all these people, while the masses would lie about it afterwards
>democracy - if it was real - would be shit.
You want to replace the masses with a moronic minority in control
>uh the nazis were elected thefore it is democratic
They weren't elected to do genocide you dumb shit. Frick off with your historical revisionism.
Nazis went "the israelites" and then established all sorts of taxes, but at the same time saying that "the israelites would rob everyone", when in fact they themselves robbed everyone
and the masses went
>yes, my fuhrer
because they are brain rotten
You think Hitler would have been able to do JACK SHIT without these moronic masses?
You can't control millions of people, unless the people are moronic.
Nazi Germany wasn't a democracy you fricking moron.
>the moronic masses, that you want to give control over everything
Without democracy you are giving over control over everything. That's literally what you're arguing for.
>without democracy
show me anything that you actually have control over.
Taxes?
Can you escape taxes? No, you can't.
Who decides on that?
Surely not you.
Do you decide at your work place?
No, your boss does.
>most people are low IQ
That's not how IQ works.
It is.
Average IQ = in the middle of it, and it's still moronic
so 50% are below average IQ, which means fully moronic like our Steamies, who defend a corporation that fricks them dry every week
You're a braindead Black person cattle whining about not having a "democratic" ethnostate where the outgroup is intentionally miseducated to better become servants of the state.. Capitalism without democracy is far worse than the state we're in right now.
valve kind of is the best system
it's basically a retirement plan for tons of old-school programmers
if valve had some homeless shelter program setup that took care of all the homeless in the country, it would be the perfect american company
yeah the best parasitic leech system
do nothing, let the morono users and developers do everything and get 30% anyway
don't even force developers that their games works on the shit you force everyone onto.
>do nothing, let the morono users and developers do everything and get 30% anyway
That's how console companies operate. The PC storefronts that charge less than 30% do even less for developers than Valve does.
>That's how console companies operate
bullshit
if games on Switch were as buggy as PC games, the Switch would crash all the time, but doesn't.
Nintendo takes 30% from digital sales, not including the licensing fee they charge third party developers just for being allowed to make games on the switch.
not surprising, its their platform.
unlike win32 and DirectX, which is Microsoft's platform, not Valve's platform.
also actual marketing
but nice try, homosexual
>why do they take 30%
Because of Valve, duh
Valve isn't charging a licensing fee to make games on PC. You have no explanation for why Nintendo charges 30% on top of the tax for just making Switch games.
>also actual marketing
30% to Nintendo doesn't get you any more marketing from them vs what Valve does.
No system will solve the problem. People have to actually want to quit being degenerate homosexuals. Any expectation that the system should be held responsible for lack of that occurrence merely enables degeneracy to continue.
>you should be angry at what massive, formless groups do instead of blaming actual identifiable individuals who are ultimately responsible for it. otherwise we should live under anarchy because people are degenerate
What you've just described is called scapegoating, and it doesn't work. The incentive for some other individual to come along and tempt the people into a profitable state of impulsiveness doesn't go away when you blame all the previous misdoing on an expendable predecessor. Degenerate people are the ones who are ultimately responsible for their choices.
A different system isn't going to fix stupid people from doing stupid things.
What you want is eugenics.
Capitalism is a prison of the body and mind far worse than any other system we have ever had. In fact it's so effective that most of its slaves will fight to preserve it and proclaim how free they are. They just need to take a few pills every day so they don't kill themselves before they go to work.
in which way is a free market economy a prison any more than existence as a living being is already?
Capitalism seeks to control the natural world and mold it to our service. Humans are part of the natural world, we've been made into meat robots that live to work and consume.
>Capitalism seeks to control the natural world and mold it to our service
God damn what a disappointing answer.
How does communism or any other system not seek to control the natural world?
Capitalism would be completely eco friendly if that's what consumers demanded, what you're wanting is a system that controls consumers.
That isn't real capitalism. Real capitalism has never been tried.
It's called Democracy, which the industrialists replaced for Capitalism.
Only a reality ran by a benevolent AI would be objectively healthy for humanity as a species. Don't waste my time and yours @ing me if you're underage and believe that a world ran by humans is devoid of any human influence or bias.
>twitter screencap of a twitch streamer with a made up statistic
PURE CANCER THREAD
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Thank you, literally just came in looking for this, shame the thread stayed alive afterwards
SPBP
We really should permaban Twitter frickfaces like
cry more
Frick off, Twittergaylord
>twitter screencap of a twitch streamer with a made up statistic
>it still up
where is the vidya butt guy when you need him
>its ok when it must be a Ganker screencap or come from a shilled gaming websites
video game culture moron
react "content" is not video game culture you absolute fricking moron.
Valve:
Cancerous to PC gaming since September 2003, and the 2nd worst thing to happen in a September of the early 2000's
EGS lost timmy
go to bed
Valve is worse than 9/11
TF2 going f2p was basically the 9/11 of gaming.
fun fact: none of the cs2/valve threads will be spammed by the anti-gacha trannies, because they shill for western israeli companies and support gambling
It's because CS2 and Valve's games are not pay to win, whereas actual gacha games are entirely engineered around pay to win mechanics and completely fall apart once you take them out.
>the anti-gacha trannies
Lmao. You are broken.
Sony cuckold hands wrote this.
What a bizarre and nonsensical deflection.
>Uncle Gape will surely hire me if I just defend his bulti-billion corporation enough
Timmy Tencent lost.
based. DRM and non-free operating system gays do not apply
>boot up CS2
>decide time is now, to sell 30+ unopened cases on marketplace for dirt cheap
>On hold for another 2 weeks before it's up on the marketplace
That hold time is lame. I was able to sell around 6 clutch cases almost instantly though
>odds on CS cases are notoriously awful
>actual gamblers refuse to open CS crates because it's basically throwing money away
>millions of moronic kids don't know this and borrow their parents credit card thinking it will land on gloves
>Even online casinos let you know the odds
Bravo valve to being somehow the least ethical company in all of gaming
Thats just gacha in general.
if you want to blame anyone blame GREE
>popularize lootboxes in PC gaming and charge to both open and trade them
>create battlepass system
>pull an Overwatch2 with CSGO while stealing all the reviews so it launches at Positive
They're the true pioneers of Judaic tricks in gaming
"but but they made Half-Life" (which is a terrible cinematic linear corridor shooter)
Holy filtered
Half life is literally anti-cinematic
This is what valveshills really believe. A game with numerous unskippable talk-at-you moments is anti-cinematic.
The chinese were blowing millions on MMO lootboxes before Valve even made theirs.
bs
newBlack person
Its more than that pretty much all of cancer that is in gaming industry right now except for paid online on consoles was invented and popularized by valve
Gabe's "piracy is a service problem" quote that redditors love so much is pure evil
>invents the OG online DRM system
>invents the OG spyware masquerading it self as an "anticheat" software
>pioneers in f2p gaming battle passes lootboxes everything
>innovators in "game as a service" system
>you don't even own any of the games you bought can't even refund anything your money stays in the steam wallet
>innovators in every single digital distribution cancer ever, episodic games, dlcs, unfinished games you name it
Yet despite all of this valve is still less evil than Chinese companies such is life
>invents the OG online DRM system
Valve doesn't force DRM and DRM existed in physical media before steam.
>invents the OG spyware masquerading it self as an "anticheat" software
Punkbusted existed before steam
>pioneers in f2p gaming battle passes lootboxes everything
Based
>innovators in "game as a service" system
Based
>you don't even own any of the games you bought can't even refund anything your money stays in the steam wallet
Steam have said they would grant access to games if they went down also you're lying, refunds go to where you paid.
>innovators in every single digital distribution cancer ever, episodic games, dlcs, unfinished games you name it
Nobody is forcing you to buy software you don't like moron
homie Valve's DRM and anticheat are the most worthless around, what do you mean
I've spent like $200 on them and haven't gotten anything good. Isn't there a pity system??? God dammit...
>Isn't there a pity system??? God dammit...
Yes, just buy a rope
It's astonishing that people like you exist. Just fricking have a nice day. Holy shit.
please do the human race a favor and have a nice day therefore removing your genes from the planet
this "game" is nothing but gamblers and hackers
man I wish Austin would get on CS crate gambling
the malding and shitty gameplay would be great
Yes, a huge mass of casual dumbshits "voting with their wallets" ruins it for everybody.
How is people buying skins ruining anything?
They should be free: https://gamebanana.com/mods/cats/8224?
They used to be.
Now they're taking shit that used to be free, that used to be expected in a finished product, and selling it to your for a premium.
It's like asking if the cab driver can charge you extra for using premium seats instead of steel dildo ass-fasteners. If you weren't willing to pay, no one would be trying to stick things up your ass.
They still are free on community servers. Probably official too if you only care about client side.
they banned those servers
How moronic are you? You can't understand that loot boxes/gacha are killing gaming? Why would any big company create a new single player game or new IP when they can pump out the same games over and over and the addicts won't stop wasting money on it?
While I am at it HEY JANNIES create a fricking GachaCoom board. This place is nothing but gachashit and coom threads
see
You have no counter-argument
It ruins games because it places a greater financial incentive on developing the cash shop in a game rather than the game itself. Monetization like this almost always comes at the expense of the quality of the game being monetized.
I pity you for not being able to see this. Counter-Strike 2 would be a much better game if they just monetized it by selling the game itself instead of resorting to milking people with gambling addicitions.
F2P with microtransactions is incredibly profitable, but I have yet to see a game with that pricing model that hasn't suffered in quality because of it. It makes it a lot easier to cheat in these games, too. There's basically no consequences for doing it when you can just keep making new accounts over and over again.
Because it shifts the focus on development activity to making new textures for guns, instead of actual game updates, you know, the reason you actually bought the game in the first place. Asking devs to release a complete game should be a big ask. It also promotes a disgusting amount of scamming and gambling, why would you want your game to be associated with that? If you want cosmetics in your game it should be from doing milestones or specific things in the game (e.g get 250 headshots in CoD4 to unlock the skin for that particular weapon)
And how do you source such arbitrary information?
video games were a mistake
twitch was a mistake
streamers are 100% a mistake
>All these salty Epic Games shills
Get fricked.
>israeli shill literally defends gacha scam when it's about his israelite master's money
You just can't make this shit up.
You homosexuals shill for israel and every zionist israelite that isn't doing "woke" shit shut the frick up you moron.
I bet this type of shit keeps people like Tim and Bobby up at night.
A fool and his money. If you play for money in a game you can't cheat, you deserve to lose your money.
based hobby enjoyers. one of the first things i did when i got on the first day was crack some cases, i didn't get anything but it was fun. and i basically only used funds from selling other cases to open the cases.
>Online skins
If you're still running Windows 7 it's well past time to switch over to Linux.
Or
A) Valve can just not use Chromium like a bunch of poojeets to bloat what's supposed to just be a game launcher
B) If they're so intent about on doing so, then update SteamCMD to launch games and authenticate for multiplayer, allowing legacy users to bypass Chromium shit altogether
>A) Valve can just not use Chromium like a bunch of poojeets to bloat what's supposed to just be a game launcher
Valve support multiple OS's. Having feature parity on 3 different platforms was a miracle on its own. They've solved that problem entirely at the cost of RE7ARDS.
>Having feature parity on 3 different platforms was a miracle on its own
Man, either standards have slipped massively or India really did become a superpower in 2020, and here I am having to listen to their exported talent.
your inability to articulate a counter-argument speaks volumes. I accept your concession.
The fact that you couldn't grasp the counter-argument at hand outlines precisely why you gay, homie
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
You didn't give any counter-argument.
>well they're indian
Yeah, that's the counter-argument, and it's 100% sound, unbeatable. Relying on Chromium to achieve those results is the behavior of shortcut-taking poojeet developers, and as with other products of poojeet developers, it's now bloated and limited in the scope of its compatibility compared to a different methodology. The fact that you couldn't parse that is exactly what outlines you as being gay and also moronic, homie.
>Relying on Chromium to achieve those results is the behavior of shortcut-taking poojeet developers
Not an argument.
>it's now bloated
It's all web apps. The size of the application itself has gotten smaller over time because its more and more web-based. If you're talking about memory utilization then who gives a shit? You're basically admitting you're some 4GB RAMlet
>The fact that you couldn't parse that is exactly
I parsed it perfectly. It's simply not an argument.
Ah, okay. You're just doing a little bit of trolling. Nobody would seriously say
>not an argument
but then preemptively drop a solid turd of
>uhhhh if you meant this you'd be right but who cares?
Go away now, you silly billy. You did your song and dance.
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
Chromium has allowed Valve to ship to multiple OS's to allow full feature parity that work in webapps which is less bloat on your machine.
You have no counter-argument and I accept your concession.
>you need to rewrite code for every platform
ScummVM even runs on AmigaOS, next
lmao you fricking lying shills are hilarous today
>you need to rewrite code for every platform
For native clients, yes you fricking moron. You think Win32 works on MacOS and Linux without a translation layer?
Thanks for demonstrating how fricking clueless you are.
>is a rock solid argument, so your gambit fails
I already completely dismantled it.
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
>so how do I filter on the Steam store according to Steam DRM usage again?
Get the community to use tags or use a third party site.
You've been seething about this for months and every time I intellectually rape you by telling you to use a third party site. This is your only complaint because you're too fricking stupid to use a third party site. I accepted your concession months ago, I do the same now.
>If you can't access those games without installing their own specific game client
You can, just install it once and uninstall steam.
>I already completely dismantled it
You didn't. You just said you didn't care that they were indian and the implications thereof.
>Remember: This is your "argument"
Thank you, I'm glad you like it so much that you keep bringing it back up. It is incredibly rock solid and applicable to many scenarios, due to its nature as a core truth about the world.
>You just said you didn't care
I didn't say I didn't care. Calling someone "Indian" isn't an argument.
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
>Calling someone "Indian" isn't an argument.
That's an opinion. It doesn't actually counter the argument
>Remember: This is your "argument".
Exactly. It's an argument. Something you don't actually have, and damn is mine a rock solid one
>That's an opinion
I can just as easily say its "not indian" as a counter-argument then.
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
>I can just as easily say its "not indian" as a counter-argument then.
You can't. Chromium is by its nature inherently and decisively indian. You're trying to argue against a fundamental fact of nature. To say it isn't indian is as schizo as arguing against the color of the sky or trying to say that fire isn't hot.
>without a translation layer
yes, when non moronic developers develop software for that, dumb frick.
Look at ScummVM, idiot.
This free open source project supports like 40 operating systems LMAO
And your cuck of a company called shit Valve can't do 3, because they are incompetent.
>Get the community to use tags or use a third party site.
no, you purchase on Steam, Steam should tell you: yes, this has no DRM *and will never have DRM*.
If they don't do that, you must be moronic to buy anything on there.
Valve got the info, they refuse to show it, because they know it would backfire.
That's why they PUSH DRM, you liar.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
I accept your concession.
>you just need their shitty DRM client to download anything
therefore they push DRM.
otherwise they would allow download non-DRM games via any web browser.
You can download DRM-free games using SteamCMD. An even better option because you don't need a browser.
I accept your concession.
>You can download DRM-free games using Steam
You are fricking moronic
>better because you need no browser, just Steam, which LOCKS YOU OUT
lmao
I accept that you are mentally moronic.
>You are fricking moronic
Not an argument.
>lmao
No an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
>wiki made by trannies
I don't care.
The info should be available for all games on Steam itself, because it is.
I don't jump throw hoops, like a moron like you.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
>you just need Steam's DRM client to download anything
>that's not pushing DRM
Yeah, you are mentally moronic.
>you don't need a browser
lmao Steam is literally a web browser and a shitty one
>You need a webbrowser and to authenticate with GoG to download the install binaries.
>You need steamCMD and to authenticate with Steam to download the binaries
There is no difference and I accept your concession.
>SteamCMD that locks you out
>web browser bad because that still works fine
lmao schizo
How does SteamCMD lock you out exactly?
>SteamCMD isn't locking anyone out, it's not part of the Steam installation
troony you are off the charts
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
it is when the person is a troony and mentally ill
>use Steam to download games
>no, that's not using Steam, it's just using Steam
mentally ill
get your head checked
>generic web browser for downloading from GOG
>Steam* for downloading from Steam
The fact that you didn't notice the difference there shows that you're lost my friend
Yeah, the steamcmd version is better because I don't need a web browser and I can automate it.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
>they just enforce everyone to only download games using their garbage DRM client
>that's not pushing DRM
it is, and it's pushing proprietary garbage, or is the full source code of the Steam client available?
GPT post
Not an argument. I accept your concession.
GPT post
>you can't automate web browser stuff
lmao
>it's better because it's Steam, which locks you out
schizo
Does GoG offer a command line download utility? No?
Steam wins.
One can easily automate simple web interactions, newbie
>Steam
locks you out, therefore only losers use it
proprietary garbage
>this guy has been shilling steam for at least 3 years now
But there are no Valve shills on Ganker despite the constant Steam Next Fest, Deck and Sales threads. It's okay when Valve does it or something.
>I don't jump throw hoops
you certainly jump through hoops to make "arguments" like calling something "troony" in absence of any logical thought
you are mentally moronic, troony.
>you can use Steam to download games
well duh that's the problem.
They push their DRM client and lock you out.
That's literally DRM.
complain to the devs using steam DRM. Not steams fault its entirely up to the developer.
It is Steam's fault for not letting me filter according to STEAM DRM, troony.
That's on Valve.
Using Google web browsers is also a decision by Valve and they are to blame.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
Valve doesn't allow *USERS* to filter according to Steam DRM usage, instead they enforce using STEAM client to download anything, this means they push their DRM onto everyone.
Stop with the lies, shill.
Valve doesn't push DRM. It's entirely in the developers hands.
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You don't like the answer because it completely counters your complaint. I accept your concession. You have no counter-argument.
Na, it's not indian.
is bad because it doesn't support 7
>Actually, it allows steam to work natively across multiple OS's instead of being rewritten in 3 native languages
>>y-yeah, well they're indian
Remember: This is your "argument".
Calling someone a troony isn't an argument.
I accept your concession. You lose the argument.
>they just enforce Steam for all downloads
>Steam isn't DRM
it is, liar.
and it locks you out, liar.
troony, dilate and have a nice day
Using whataboutism is an admission that even you are able to recognize that you yourself have no actual argument, and you attempt to regain credibility by saying someone else is doing so even worse than you are. Problem is
>yeah well, they're indian
is a rock solid argument, so your gambit fails
>Having feature parity on 3 different platforms was a miracle on its own
I can't believe someone typed this
>Or
There is no "or". If you haven't either switched to Linux or at least upgraded to 10 by now, you're either moronic or a zoomer who's been on 7 his whole short life and is irrationally afraid of installing another system.
>always online DRM
I can start my steam games in offline mode
it doesn't always work and sometimes, even when you enable this shit in some games, it will refuse to start the game.
the only true offline mode is piracy.
I was never not able to start a game in offline mode. But then again, I only play single player games.
Good. Keep funding the future of Linux gaming you dumb ass gambling addicts
You are all literal cattle and you've been paying the people you're complaining about for decades.
If there are millions of morons that want to buy sand in the sahara, someone is going to start selling it.
This is not capitalism/commies, this is 99.9% of people being moronic animals.
>steam has no subscriptions
>Steam was one of the first to offer refunds
Ranjeet please
https://arch.b4k.co/v/search/image/j_2OQoo9YoojRmz3Lera9w/
get new material, /misc/
>sales are final
>Steam has the most generous return policy on games in the entire industry by far
could you at least be subtle about your moronation?
>mutts work 45+ years and see nothing wrong with it
Capitalism is based for enslaving morons
meanwhile starving children in war torn nations
Yo bros, can yo uget actually good drops from playing cs go?
Something like awp dragon lore or 100$ skin or something? Is it even worth trying?
You used to be able to, don't know about now. You're an idiot if you're playing a game for a drop though.
Oh dont get me wrong.
Even thou i am deathmatch trash, i still have fun playing.
Would be cool if there was bonus carrot on stick thou (some cool expensive skin)
It’s even better because the ones like xQc aren’t even using their own money. they get a shit ton of money to do sponsored gambling
Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.
Is $40m really that much? It's the most popular FPS in the world and its (Basically) free.
How much is that compared to other AAA games?
40 millions
IN 40 MINUTES!
>Is earning 1 000 000$ pure profit per 1 minute that much
The answer is obvious
That wont be sustained for 24 hours you fricking moron. Its like saying Call of Duty made $400bn in 1 minute on launch because of preorders.
>I get all the gameplay for practically nothing
>I get years and years of updates and support for nothing
>The playerbase doesn't get fractured by updates
>Artists in the community get a cut of the money
>Valve get a cut of the money
Lootboxes were the best thing to happen to gaming. You must be a fricking moron to WANT to pay $80 every year for a new game.
>Artists in the community get a cut of the money
?
all the community made cosmetics in TF2 get a cut of the money from opening lootboxes and the market.
and CSGO. and DOTA2
People who work on community items and maps in games like TF2 and CSGO literally get a cut from all the profit made. That's how it has been for many years.
Technically the maps on cs were bought with a one time purchase. The ones that get a cut are 3d artists that get their skin approved to show up in a specific case package.
Most accurate take
The majority of updates and support amounts to adding more lootboxes, not improving the actual game.
But guys if they lowered their 30% cut from steam sales they would totally collapse instantly trust me guys.
>offers developers the best toolset in the industry
>offers developers the biggest userbase in the industry
>cries about 30%
See how much you make on other platforms moron.
They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%, Valve would still be undisputed in that market, they would still have and endless flow of cash, it would be a pro developer move, a pro consumer move because game devs could sell games at lower prices, it would just be a good thing considering the context of valve being what it is.
>but uhhh Epic does dat and uhhh look wah hapen to dem >:)
And Epic isn't Valve. Terrible argument.
The thing is that Valve literally follows the industry standard. That is 30%. They aren't more greedy than anyone else. And they actually offer valuable features and tools to developers unlike Sony or MS who just take a cut without providing much of value in return.
With Steam you get
>tools that tell you who bought your game (hardware, age, region, what other games they enjoy)
>actual sales trackers that recommend you the best time and percent to get the most out of your deals
>steam servers
>community hubs
>the option to do live streams
>free key generation for reviewers and promotions
>multiple beta branches are selectable for your software
>wishlist data
None of the other platforms offer that much value.
>They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%
They could also set it to 1% or even 0% you fricking moron.
>Valve would still be undisputed in that market
They're undisputed because they already offer so much value to indies compared to the competition.
>it would be a pro developer move, a pro consumer move because game devs could sell games at lower prices
In practise, this doesn't happen. Indies would simply pocket the additional money and Valve lose out. Part of Valve's business is providing a platform for indies to sell, and Steam by far offers the most value.
Frick off you moronic seething EGS shill.
>Game devs could sell games at lower prices 🙂
You are such a fricking moron if you genuinely believe this. The % that they get from game sales on Steam is higher than physical and yet the price is the same. WOW!
When games where physical, publishing would often be up to 60%. Valve selling at 30% is a fricking bargain you moron.
>devs passing on savings to consumer
not ONE dev on epic games despite the 12% cut sold their game for cheaper
when kh series released you had to pay full fricking price for each game when you could get the story so far on ps4 for 25 dollars
get the frick out of here
>They could cut it to 15%, or even 10%
why? what difference does it make to consumers? and why is valve singled out and berated for this when it's the same cut virtually every other corporation charges because it's literally industry standard?
>why is valve singled out
>what difference does it make to consumers?
Steam takes 30% of developers/publishers income
Now someone with an IQ above room temperature would wonder where they are going to save that amount of money.
And then you look at PC gaming nowadays and you figure out that it's QA and testing, because there are Steam users who will do all of that for free, because they are brain fricked.
>Steam takes 30% of developers/publishers income
Yeah, just like everyone else. In retail the percentage is often much higher than that too. You have still refused to explain why valve and only valve is singled out here (we all know why).
>you figure out that it's QA and testing,
LMAO you're a fricking moron if you actually think publishers would actually try to improve their products instead of just pocketing the extra money. Publishers have absolutely no qualms dumping truckloads of money into studios, marketing and whatever else. The games are still shit.
>Yeah, just like everyone else.
No one else does.
>In retail the percentage is often much higher than that too.
False, supermarkets take around 10-12% only, which is fair for the PHYSICAL shelf space and the PEOPLE working there.
>No one else does.
Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Apple, Google, to name a few.
>supermarkets take around 10-12% only
The percentage depends entirely on the product's price, because of shelf space and stocking but I know it isn't as low as 12% for games.
>Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo
yeah, it's their DEDICATED in house developed HARDWARE.
Call me again when Valve got their own DEDICATED hardware architecture and APIs and SDKs for developers instead of leeching off Windows.
Also why 30%?
Because VALVE, you dumb fook.
>yeah, it's their DEDICATED in house developed HARDWARE.
so? what difference does it make?
>Call me again when Valve got their own DEDICATED hardware architecture and APIs and SDKs for developers instead of leeching off Windows.
valve seems to prefer user freedom to walled gardens, hence why they push linux and the Steam Deck just runs a fork of arch with an unlocked bootloader so that people can do whatever they want with the hardware they bought
>so? what difference does it make?
it costs MONEY to do that.
It also makes the job for GAME DEVELOPERS *WAY* easier than the shitty PC garbage.
That's why it makes sense that these companies take MORE, because they SUPPORT developers and have to create SDKs and other stuff to make life way easier for game developers. Nintendo in fact even does FREE MARKETING for good indie games.
Meanwhile Valve does frick all.
>Meanwhile Valve does frick all.
Steam is a pretty feature rich platform and the steam API takes care of a lot. Obviously consumers value it and publishers get burned every time they try to go the EGS exclusivity route so clearly there is value to that 30%
>like when they lock you out of Windows 7
windows 7 is about to stop receiving security updates so you need to give it a rest. it's dead
>sorry guys, Switch is not supported, this means we will lock everyone out, but buy a Switch 2
this analogy doesn't work because you have the freedom to install whatever OS you want, so that PC hardware won't be rendered useless even if 7 dies. also, didn't nintendo just permanently shut down their entire DS store for everyone just because pirates could directly download games from them?
>feature rich platform
no, it's a shitty DRM client, that's all.
>this analogy doesn't work because you have the freedom to install whatever OS you want
Apparently not if you want to continue using Steam like you already have for over a decade
>install whatever OS you want
Steam locks me out of the OS I want, dumb ass.
>didn't nintendo just permanently shut down their entire DS store
DS store?
Are you moronic?
The DS had no digital store.
The 3DS did.
And its online play is going away entirely in a few months.
Yeah the 3DS still allows re-downloads, unlike Valve
lmao
>unlike Valve
Source?
>Steam locks you out
>but that doesn't mean that downloads aren't working anymore
>just start Steam (that locked you out and refuses to start) and re-download your games
lmao
>still being a wincuck in 2023
>still allows re-downloads, unlike Valve
what the frick are you even talking about
Steam lets you download every game that you bought no matter if delisted or not .What are you talking about?
>Steam locks me out of the OS I want, dumb ass.
Everything is going to lock you out of the OS you want to use, because it's fricking dead. When it stops receiving security updates from M$ you will have no choice but to switch.
>DS store?
3DS, whatever
>Windows 10 + 11 don't run on all hardware lmao
Must suck being a wincu ck. maybe you should take it up with microshart.
>Everything is going to lock you out of the OS
no, it doesn't.
It's only the Valve frickers.
My other software works just fine, including my web browser.
>no choice
>omg will anyone think of the security patches
I don't use Microsoft's browser, I'm good, troony.
bruh, literally the only reason valve is stopping support for your dead OS is because israelitegle is stopping support for your dead OS and the steam client depends on chromium
>but but israelitegle
Who is using israelitegle software again?
Oh right that's Valve.
And Valve is locking people out, troony.
Imagine trusting a shit company that makes a shit ton of money but copy+pastes google garbage, because they can't make a proper simple DRM launcher.
Modern browsers are massive. There is a reason all browsers that actually have full feature support for the modern web are either a fork of firefox or chromium.
>massive
Good that only moron developers would put a web browser into their garbage DRM client and call it a day.
for a simplistic store like Steam you don't need much, if anything.
it's a few text windows a few images that's it.
a proper developer would create a launcher that keeps on working.
OR make the launcher download games only and do the rest in the system's web browser, like proper software does.
>maybe Microsoft
No, it's your Valve cucks who lock people out.
Microsoft doesn't lock you out, lmao
You fricking troony liar.
Go home to reddit
windowgays are literally battered housewifes lmao. jesus just switch to fricking linux already
Linus doesn't want non-child murdering people to use his OS.
>so that PC hardware won't be rendered useless
Steam locks you out, lmao
Windows 10 + 11 don't run on all hardware lmao
>but but Linux
Linux doesn't do that either lmao
>just throw away your good working OS for a shit OS because why not?
Nintendo doesn't lock you out of old hardware.
It's sad that Valve is literally worse than Nintendo.
>user freedom to walled gardens
>like when they lock you out of Windows 7, that's true freedom user freedom so to speak.
Imagine Nintendo pulling that shit
"sorry guys, Switch is not supported, this means we will lock everyone out, but buy a Switch 2 and maybe some of your games will continue to work again."
lmao
Windows 7 came out in 2009. Nintendo went through three console generations since then.
great, and I can still download digital games on my Wii
And the games for my Gamecube also still work.
But that's a walled garden, according to a lying prick like you
Right, and people still get absolutely mad when any console maker threatens to shut down their old digital storefronts for older generations. That's just for downloading the game in the first place. Now imagine if they shut down your ability to launch large swathes of your entire downloaded library at all.
>Sony asks for a 30% cut
...
>MS asks for a 30% cut
...
>Nintendo asks for a 30% cut
,,,
>Steam asks for a 30% cut
THIS IS INSANE HOW CAN THEY POSSIBLY CHARGE THAT MUCH?
Meanwhile Timmy is the only one offerin a sub-20% cut on his store and its literally dying. Checks out.
Nobody charges less than 30%, even beyond the game industry. Even so, if I was valve I'd give indies a break and charge less. They have more money than they can spend, giving small Devs the resources to continue making games would be best for the overall industry.
Valve are already giving indies the biggest userbase with the best discovery tools and the best developer tools. 30% is more than fair.
Okay, Gabe. Hope you choke on something you greedy fat frick.
What is fair is completely arbitrary. If the industry standard was 50% you would say that was fair too. Valve has like 200 employees, they don't need 30% of a tiny developers peanut money.
>If the industry standard was 50% you would say that was fair too.
Given how much value valve offers indies, 50% probably would be fair
based business model
>all gameplay content is free
>one version of the game - all players have access to the same content (no DLC paywall)
>no power is bought with money
>loot boxes contain cosmetics
>cosmetics/maps are made by the community
>community gets a cut of the money
>game has endless content
>paypigs fund the games development
>if you do get cosmetics, you can later trade/sell them for games/money
moron business model
>game has yearly releases that cost ($80)
>paying to have last years game content effectively made unavailable
>previous content is later sold back to you as a "remaster"
>game has cosmetics that don't carry over to later games
>dlc paywalls gate the community
there are bad and greedy implementations of lootboxes, but there is no argument for wanting to spend $80.
but don't believe the reddit narrative that lootboxes are bad
china is SEETHING
your top business is literally just Games as a Service and that includes absolute garbage like Fortnite
>your top business is literally just Games as a Service
And? GaaS is based, I've explained why its based and you have no retort.
>absolute garbage
you mean the game that gets updates and new gameplay changes every week, meanwhile the free-to-play Valve garbage gets 1 update every 15 years
Except most AAA publishers have the worst of both worlds. 80 dollar game that isn't finished every year and charge for loot boxes and battle passes.
Reminder that Steam lets developers generate Steam keys for free.
Reminder that Steam takes a 0% cut from those key sales. The 30% shit only applies when people buy shit directly on the Steam store. Not on sites like GMG, Humble or Indiegala.
>Reminder that Steam lets developers generate Steam keys for free.
Only up to a certain amount.
They reserve the right to limit it when they notice that devs are actively trying to undercut their own store to hard. But generally speaking there is no hard limit.
anon why do you lie
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys
>NOT THE HECKIN BOXERINOS
maybe just don't have poor impulse control Black person
just vote with your wallet bro 🙂
Just have self-control?
>blizzard makes some millions through lootboxes
>Ganker froths at the mouth
>Valve makes 40 million through lootboxes just from CS
>Ganker celebrates
>Bobby makes millions with lootcrates
>Buys himself a new yacht all while the games get worse and worse each year
>Valve makes millions with gambling shit
>We get things like Proton, The Steam Deck, Steam VR and more
This^
Valve might be lazy when in comes to in-house game development, but their ecosystem and projects are top tier.
I still prefer GOG, though
I would buy shit on GOG again if they actually had something similar to proton or included already existing Linux builds.
That and they need to add games that people actually want.
You wanna tell me Deus Ex Human Revolution has a higher priority than Theme Park World and Black & White? GOG needs to look at their community list for once and see what games people actually wanna buy.
>similar to proton
Heroic does most of the work for you, though achievements dont work.
My main problem with GOG is that they simply got worse over time.
The original GOG was simply too good.
>actual drm free games
>lots of extras that come with each purchase
>fair regional prices
>multiplatform support
>you decide how and where you play your games
>you OWN your games
>actually patch old games to make sure that they run on modern systems
Meanwhile now
>Windows only
>drm-"free" releases as a lot of stuff is now tied to Galaxy in order to function properly
>no more extras
>even let games like nu-HITMAN on the store originally even though its online only and only after heavy backlash they removed the game for breaking their original principals
>patching games? nah, we only take games that we know work already and that have been on Steam for ages
Shit sucks. I say this as someone who has over 500 GOG games. The last time i bought something there was quite a few years ago.
>it's ok when my side does it
What i am saying is that i can tolerate Valve milking dumb gambling addicts if it results into me getting better and more software and hardware.
I literally gain nothing from Blizzard making record profits. Valve meanwhile keeps that shit contained and the majority of Steam users reap the benefits from them milking those moronic whales.
>Steam users reap
Gabe is funding his child rape yacht with that money.
it will never be your turn to rape children.
valve is a privately owned company so the money goes to valve which they often use in interesting and creative projects. blizzard is publicly traded so the money goes to shareholding vultures. the distinction between private ownership and a publicly traded company is paramount.
>in interesting and creative projects
like the paid mods project
or the battle pass project
or the gambling casino for children project
I've made thousands on csgo skins/cases.
Gun skins are the most bizarre thing for me. If anything I'd pay $1 to get a realistic skin instead of one with anime on it. That said in reality though I just won't buy your game
I'm shocked they haven't outlawed these "loot box" mechanics when it's essentially gambling and kids can easily do it. At least I think you should have too prove you're an adult before buying loot boxes. It's really psychologically damaging for young people, they shouldn't be taught these gambling mechanics as a "normal" thing.
Earnest question for people who defend this and are not just contrarian shitposters
Why? It's one of the root causes of the downfall of modern gaming
see
if you have a problem with it, you have a problem with capitalism. simple as. either you believe in the free market or you don't.
not how it works, sorry commiechud
>muh free market
As you can clearly see, the "free market" has a monopoly called Steam with mentally ill moron users, who will defend it no matter what
there is no free market in a system that taxes small business to death and allows corporations to hire lobbyists.
it’s a buy-in market, you’re either born rich or in a ditch and for every “success”’ story there are a million good people getting fricked by taxes and regulations.
this “free market” you laud is what allows ceo’s to take million dollar bonuses while laying off real workers, it allows corporations to displace families to build factories, it allows career politicians to surreptitiously install monarchies, it allows us all minuscule comforts in exchange for our entire lives in service to another’s ideals.
see
Valve exploit gamblers but they give us good shit in return for it.
Blizzard and other companies meanwhile push for this shit in literally every game they make. Because shareholder interests there are more important than the opinion of players. The goal for a company like Activision is not making good games - Its making games that are just good enough to get monetized to the brim.
Valve meanwhile are a private entity and they use the money they make with games like CS2, Dota or TF2 to invest into projects like Linux gaming, VR hardware and more community features.
If i don't play CS2, Dota or TF2 none of that shit ends up effecting me. I can keep using Steam and get more features for literally nothing all because gamblers keep funding the machine.
>but they give us good shit in return for it.
like what?
new hats made by the community?
the one giving Fortnite money back is Timmy, not Gabe.
>VR hardware
>which they sell to me, the consoomer
>community features
>like paid mod support
If I don't use Steam, none of that shit ends up effecting me
If children gambling is illegal then streaming people gambling in a non-educational context should also be forbidden.
It's actually legal for most women in the USA to be topless AT ALL AGES EVEN, it's just FCC guidelines prevent it from being broadcast on open airwaves or streams despite it literally being sexist as there is no issue from men of all ages from broadcasting the same (no one has actually took them to federal court over it OR they have settled out of court for large sums of cash from the government); they should do the same to lootbox openings to stop streamers from advertising gambling to kids.
>women in the USA to be topless AT ALL AGES EVEN
WW3 when?
>unironically defending lootbox garbage because muh surrogate daddy gaben israeliteell
steamies are mentally ill
AND WE MADE A MILLION A MINUTE
AND WE MADE A MILLION A MINUTE
(WE DID!)
i don't understand skins. it's just a coloured digital gun. it's not worth anything. why are people wasting money on this stuff? what's wrong with default skins? it's how guns are supposed to look anyway, i genuinely hate what skins have done to the aesthetic of games.
the main difference with counter strike skins is that it's not just a digital gun, it is literally gambling. You can sell these skins for steam currency and if you have something actually valuable, you can just sell it for real money instead on a third party site
oh. yeah, that should probably be illegal.
>You can sell these skins for steam currency
Yeah, but you can only do that if you sell it to someone else. Even if it's because it's rare, people still have to value the skins in general in order to value that a skin is rare, so it leads back to just being a digital texture that people are getting their dicks out for
because it's literally gambling
xqc is a beta male.
every video game player is a beta male
he's at least made hundreds of millions from it
>people think a lower cut would benefit them
Why? EGS has a lower cut but the games there are just as expensive as the Steam releases - sometimes even more.
You really think devs would lower the prices of their games if Valve lowered their cut from 30% to something like 20% or 15%.
Lol
Lmao even.
>there are just as expensive as the Steam releases
factually incorrect.
Coupons exist, all games are cheaper on EGS.
Maybe some people just want to give money to the indie dev and not to New Zealand luxury real estate development
Where is the money going? Genuinely what the frick is Gabe doing with it? He's not releasing anything
I wouldn't mind Gabe's 30% market black hole if there was at least a working dev studio in that black hole
>I-is that a.. l-lootbox??
>AHHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE!!!
Reminder that a 30% cut is still better than offering physical releases.
A developers gets less than 50% of the money after the logistics and storefronts took their cut. A copy sold on Steam is worth way more than a copy sold in Gamestop.
>Reminder that a 30% cut is still better than offering physical releases.
lmao
It literally is. Why do you think is physical media dying? Because publishers wanna cut costs and giving platforms like Sony or Steam 30% is way better than letting everyone take a cut from physical releases.
>you pay for the disc/cartridge
>you pay for the transport
>you sell it low enough so Target/Walmart/Gamestop can get their cut
>there might also be licensing fees involved
In short:
>Third-party publishers make $49 on digital and around $35 on physical (40% less).
>First-party publishers make $70 on digital and around $45.50 on physical (53.8% less).
>Why do you think is physical media dying?
Where is it dying?
It's dead on PC, because Valve killed it.
On Switch I can get almost all indies (good ones) on physical cart, hahahaha
and I own them all.
Meanwhile 1 gen ago I could only own a very very limited amount of games that way
10 years ago physical still made up 80+% of all sales on consoles
Nowadays on the Switch and PS5 its closer to 40-50% Digital is taking over. It just takes way longer.
That's statistic trickery by Snoy
>Limited Run isn't expanding
>noooo, they are going bankrupt any moment now
2 weeks lmao
Of course shit companies like Valve or Microsoft don't want game ownership., they want every digital for full control. They are anti-customer.
>limited run
Literally irrelevant. Those fricks create a small amount of physical copies so scalpers on ebay can later charge a premium for it. They are not making physical more accessable.
>Literally irrelevant.
lmao
lmao
>small amount
lmao
>scalpers
lmao, yeah unlimited pre-order window, liar
try to pull a digital-only Switch and see how that goes.
Pro-tip: it will fail hard, because most people aren't moronic like you are.
>I own them all.
>on a console that will last a handfull more years before it becomes basically unrepairable
lol
Even my Gameboy still works, cope Steamlet
A GB doesn't require updates or servers in order to function. Your PS4 and PS5 will be ltierally deadweight bricks the moment Sony decides to pull the plug.
the PS4 CMOS shit got patched, not that I support PS4.
the PS3 CMOS shit did not get patched.
>muh plastic
muh consoomer with no rights
>>you pay for the disc/cartridge
>>you pay for the transport
So?
At least I'm not funding a fat lying frick called Gabe.
And on top of that I OWN THE GAMES, I can sell them.
Meanwhile you keep on coping.
>i own the games
You own an installer. Most of the time the game requires a download. Which ties it to you having a profile on that system. And often enough companies sell you fake discs these days made out of paper where a PS download code is written on it.
>You own an installer.
lmao
> Most of the time the game requires a download
Mine don't, liar.
there are shit releases coming from Rockstar, but I refuse to buy that garbage.
He's right. It costs money to create physical copies of a game, it costs nothing to create digital copies. It costs money to store physical copies of a game in warehouses (such spaces are typically rented rather than owned) until they can be distributed to retailers, while a digital version just sits on a hard drive waiting to be copied to a digital storefront's servers. It costs money to have physical games shipped to retailers at thousands of store locations, which involves paying a third party logistics company. Sending a digital copy to a digital storefront requires one person to upload it.
>it costs nothing to create digital copies.
yeah, glad we agree that Valve should get 5% at best.
I was talking about costs to the publisher. It obviously costs Valve money to run a bunch of servers for people to download their copy from.
Yes, servers are cheap, so 5% it is.
No customer support people, no physical shelf space, nothing. That means it must be way lower than what supermarkets are taking.
Glad we agree.
Well there you go. Sounds like you got your business plan. Get to it.
Yeah my business plan is not using Steam at all.
>...because all games sell for full price on Steam
>...and the visibility of every game is like the one in a dedicated video game store
>...and you see Steam is super user friendly with its 2 hour refund window
>all the chinese anti-steam shitposters are getting RAPED in this thread
lmao don''t care it's xqc.
Hope he lost all oh his belongings due to gambling so shitstain stop being the standard for streamers.
STEAM = DRM
UBISHIT = DRM
EGS = DRM
MICROSHIT = DRM
CONSOLES = DRM
YOU'RE WAIFU = DRM
IT'S ALL DRM, IT'S SOLE PURPOSE IS TO FRICK YOU IN THE ASS, STOP DEFENDING IT BECAUSE THEY GIVE YOU A TREAT AFTER EACH RAWDOGGING SESSION
Steam does not force DRM actually. There are plenty games on that ship without DRM.
It's entirely up to the developer to use DRM.
My crackdealer doesn't just sell crack, he also helps old ladies cross the street every blue moon. And that proves he's really a great guy.
Not an argument
There are third party sites that do this for you. Not an issue.
>Steam does not allow direct download of installers from its website for DRM-Free material like true DRM-Free storefronts do.
Install steam.
Download game.
Uninstall steam.
Easy peasy.
>third party sites
I don't have a purchase contract with 3rd party sites.
You said Steam wouldn't push DRM, but they do.
They don't mark games as such, although it would be trivial for them to do so.
They don't allow to directly download them either.
>I don't have a purchase contract with 3rd party sites.
Yeah but people use third party sites all the time for reviews and mods etc.
>You said Steam wouldn't push DRM, but they do.
They don't. There are many games that ship without DRM.
>They don't mark games as such, although it would be trivial for them to do so.
Community tags solve this problem.
>They don't allow to directly download them either.
Neither do GoG. You still need a GoG account to download them.
>They don't
so how do I filter on the Steam store according to Steam DRM usage again?
And how do I download non-DRM games directly via web browser again?
Otherwise they push DRM.
>community tags
are you moronic?
I'm supposed to BUY something from Steam, why would I trust a shitty community tag added by mentally ill dumb fricks, when it's not part of the contract?
>Neither do GoG
It does.
>but but account
yeah, I *log in* using ANY web browser and DOWNLOAD my games via web browser.
That even works still on Windows XP.
GOG doesn't block you because you use Windows XP.
>yeah, I *log in*
Ok so it isn't DRM free. I can't FTP directly to GOG's web servers and download games without logging in, they are FORCING me to log into their propriety garbage in order to download games.
>propriety garbage
a HTML compliant web site isn't proprietary, you fricking imbecile
but a shitty closed source DRM client software is, despite no need for that being the case, remember "DRM free", so let me download these games via web browser
>a HTML compliant web site isn't proprietary, you fricking imbecile
nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself
remember "DRM free", so let me download these games without a log in and without GOG's bundled installer.
proprietary log in website == not DRM free, dumb frick
>There are many games that ship without DRM
If you can't access those games without installing their own specific game client, then they're forcing DRM
You can install and play those games on PCs without Steam, which makes them DRM free. You just can't download it from their servers using a web browser.
>>"If you can't access those games WITHOUT INSTALLING THEIR OWN SPECIFIC GAME CLIENT"
>you just can't download them without using a proprietary DRM client
>just
low IQ shill detected
Yeah it's you.
>UH I CAN'T DOWNLOAD FROM THEIR SERVERS ON MY INTERNET EXPLORER
Irrelevant. The fact is you can install and play these games without using their client. The are objectively DRM-Free games.
Cry harder.
>Irrelevant
lmao
One is using open web standards
the other one is a closed proprietary garbage client, which is actually a web browser in disguise and you can't download anything without it, which makes zero sense
Valve is therefore PUSHING DRM even when the developer decided that no DRM is fine. Valve ignores developers.
>One is using open web standards
Irrelevant
You don't need to use the client to install and play these games.
>which is actually a web browser in disguise
Also false. Only the store and community are web based.
>Valve is therefore PUSHING DRM even when the developer decided that no DRM is fine
Valve sells DRM free games and there is not a single games developer who is demanding their games be downloaded from steam through a web browser
Cry more.
Irrelevant when you can't download it in the first place and when none of it is marked in the store in the first place
>it's not a web browser in disguise
>it is a web browser in disguise for the store and "community" garbage, which is literally everything
schizo
>Valve sells DRM free games
not according to their store
>Irrelevant
No. The fact that you can install and play without the steam client makes it DRM-Free.
>and when none of it is marked in the store in the first place
Wrong again bozo. Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game and doesn't use a different DRM is a DRM free game
>>it is a web browser in disguise for the store and "community" garbage, which is literally everything
Except the part where you download and access the games.
sells DRM free games
>not according to their store
They are objectively DRM free
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
You're a schizo whining about muh web browser when nobody sane gives a shit.
>it's DRM free, when you have to download it using a DRM client
nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself
>Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game
Bullshit there are games with Steam achievements and therefore use Steamworks without DRM, you fricking liar
>objectively DRM'd
>downloading doesn't count!!!
proprietary DRM downloader == not DRM free, dumb frick
>nope, you are an idiot and making a fool out of yourself
Oh the irony.
>spout bullshit
>get called out
>no, no, u
Again, the irony.
>out of arguments
I accept your concession.
Again, the irony
Again, the moron
>moron
Oh the irony.
Oh the moron without arguments
>DRM free
>DRM-free games: 1,029 out of 41,017 games in total.
lmao
that can't be all, can it?
What a shit show
>Any game that isn't listed as steamworks game
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
Postal Link Steamworks title. Free.
Postal 2 Link Steamworks title.
Postal 2: Paradise Lost Link Steamworks title.
Postal 4: No Regerts Link Steamworks title.
Planetary Annihilation: Titans Link Steamworks title.
roflmao
None of those games use Steamworks DRM. Try again.
>just figure it out yourself
WHY IS THE SHITTY STEAM STORE NOT SAYING WHICH IS USING SHIT DRM AND WHICH ISN'T
It does, you're just moronic.
no, it does not.
Where does it say Steam DRM free, you fricking liar
Learn to read.
it doesn't say that anywhere, you fricking liar
>Steamworks
doesn't mean DRM or no DRM either, liar
>DRM free
>gotta download them using the DRM client
choose one, moron
>have to install steam to download games
That's DRM, no thanky.
No it isn't.
>Steam does not force DRM
Why can't I filter according to Steam DRM usage?
Why isn't it shown?
Why can't I DOWNLOAD DRM-free games via web browser, huh Gabe?
>Steam doesn't force
lmao
lies
you can't download these non-DRM games (which you don't even know about) onto "unsupported" configurations.
Meanwhile I can do that with GOG.
Steam does not allow direct download of installers from its website for DRM-Free material like true DRM-Free storefronts do. Effectively, this still acts as a limited form of DRM, as you have to install their client to access the games at all.
Gambling to kids is good money.
>steam thread
>EGS shills seething and malding
clockwork
>Epic has been completely BTFO for the past two weeks
>They're still at it
lmao
>dude we are so oppressed! the elite and Washington just want to suck all our money up and force us to live paycheck to paycheck!
>spend half your earned money on phone games, loot boxes, and 7 different streaming subscriptions
No one is poor no one is homeless, everyone is fricking lying. You're as greedy as the companies just fricking admit it.
CS players deserve to be necked from the waist down.
WE MADE A MILLION A MINUTE
WE MADE A MILLION A MINUTE
>could blame MS for abandoning Win7
>could blame Google for killing Chrome support on 7 which is the main reason why support for it stops
>but blames Valve instead even though they can't do anything about it except developing an entirely new browser environment from scretch just so that the last remaining Win7 users keep official support for a little longer.
The Win7 gays will switch anyway once they realize that Chrome dying there also means that discord and other platforms start cucking them. Just switch to Linux already if you hate W10/11 so much.
>will switch
nope
>but Chrome
I don't use Chrome, lmao
>discord
lmao troony
>discord is a platform
lmao no it's a shitty website
>Linux
I don't support child murdering psychos like Linus
You Win7 gays shouldn't worry about Steam but all the other shit that will break once Google pulls the plug on you.
Only a matter of time until Youtube stops working for you especially with all the recent update frickery they are doing to get rid of adblocks.
>but but Google
I don't care, Google is shit.
>but but Google search won't work
don't care. I use uncensored Yandex.
Two more weeks until Kiev falls my fellow vatniks
KEK BASED GABESTER YA GOTTA LOVE THE GUY YOU JUST GOTTA
I honestly can't make myself give a shit about windows 7 homosexuals whining for the umpteenth time that such and such isn't supporting them anymore. We go through this song and dance with something different every week, nobody is going to bend the knee to a tiny percentage of holdouts for no fricking benefit to themselves whatsoever.
no one is whining, we call Valve out as the garbage company it is, that's all.
Gamblinggays are literally worse than all other kinds of junkies combined. I've seem so many have their lives completely ruined by compulsive gambling. I even used to know an ex-heroin addict but I have yet to meet an ex-gambler.
Anyone moronic enough to gamble deserves to lose everything. I just want free games.
I don't mind them doing that. I just hate that their degenerate addiction is being pushed on the rest of us through all forms of entertainment and is turning everything it touches into rancid shit.
All that money could've gone to ukraine or Israel...
>"people" spent $40,000,000 in 40 minutes on lootboxes
launch the nukes.
how does this effect you personally?
>how does a macroeconomic phenomenon affect you personally
sick of this disingenuous moron question
Lootboxes are great. The game has any sort of gameplay changes tied to a paid random
system? Not worth playing. The game has a price tag yet the devs want to double dip on their player base? Not worth playing
Communism and Socialism are the same as capitalism. In fact communism is more capitalist than capitalism itself. Capitalism is at least capable of failing itself where communism always benefits capital and corporations and banking cartels that frick you over are part of the government now instead of completely separate where the political and financial elite have no power and can't lord over you as rulers like in capitalism.
Mixed bros
review bombing, Gabe delete!!!
Those are Hamas terrorists
Soclialism is when all of your money is being spent to support hobbos and Black person tribes
Capitalism is when your fairly hard earned money is sent to Israel and eastern european backwater shitholes instead
imagine there was 40mil just laying around for a piece of imaginary pixels
Gaben needs another mega yacht. Pay up piggies!
>EHYYYYHHHH???? WHAHUT DUH FUHUCK CHUAT? HYOW DUH FHUCK CULD DUH BOX NOT GIMEE DUH... BRO... FUHKIN EVERY TIME ADHFUD AHAID FDOSKSC ASSDFGYHUKL
Anti-react andys can't reply to this without sounding mad
that is a good thing. PC master deserves this. At lest they give money to steam to support more games.
Already made 80 steam bucks selling old cs cases
and Ganker makes fun of weebshit for their gacha games.
>Source: trust me bro
That's nothing. Fricking Roblox makes more than that each day
>"it's just skins bro"
>company stop giving a shit about the game and it devolves into a platform to milk gambling addicts because that makes them way more money