I'm expecting the plot twist to be that you're actually not the elder, just someone who diablerized the elder and now is going schizo. Perhaps too kino for this game. Won't be buying this shit, as it looks terrible.
Are you joking? Have they confirmed this somewhere? Not even going to bother torrenting this, if this is the case.
>Have they confirmed this somewhere?
Yes. You can change skin tone, hair color, and gender. They've been quiet on if you can change clothing, but the four (lol) Clans have different starting outfits.
>Perhaps too kino for this game.
People predicted that the zoomer model is actually the modern vamp who tried to diablerize the elder and the voice in her head is the actual elder immediately when the first footage was shown. It's the most braindead obvious cliche you could think of and most likely exactly what happens.
Maybe. Looking at the video it feels more like the reverse. The voice is the remnant of the diablerists soul, acting as a sort of buddy cop modern voice to the confused boomer elder vampire. The dynamic between the two introing new people into the new world. You know, so Phyre doesn't sound like a psycho moron narrating everything such as what a nosferatu is to herself.
I think it could work. I wonder if they fuse by the end.
Was confirmed that there'd be no character creation last year.
Remember that the current version is NOT the same game that was announced half a decade ago. It's an ENTIRELY different game made by an entirely different company. They restarted development from the ground up and scrapped EVERYTHING from the previous game except for apparently small chunks of a few stage maps (which were they totally redone anyway) and a small handful of character models (which were also remade).
you choose male or female and your clan, just like the first game. this is well known information you can easily find on their site, but you don't want to know the truth do you? you're just here to set up the petty hate machine that is nu-/v/
I don't mind the lack of character creation, as long as the male/female models of each clan are different, like the og bloodlines.
>as long as the male/female models of each clan are differen
sorry anon mocap is hard even tho we've been doing it since the 00's we need to hire models at 2k/hr and use 5 million dollar systems. And models really? we can sell those as DLC/micro for 10-20$ each with 5-10$ skins.
you choose male or female and your clan, just like the first game. this is well known information you can easily find on their site, but you don't want to know the truth do you? you're just here to set up the petty hate machine that is nu-/v/
>just like the first game
Ok so you're saying that there are 14 completely unique models you can name yourself, have unique animations and sometimes drastically change the game experience?
>sometimes drastically change the game experience?
One of the defender copes for the smaller number of clans was that the original played too similar
Yet, from what we have seen in that demo Brujah apparently have Auspex? So besides the gimped customization they clans will play identically too?
It's pretty op in the tts, but fairly useless i the game
Do they have auspex or is it just vampire senses being a dumb "detective mode" glow thing and auspex would be on top of that?
Then I wonder what Auspex does
It also wouldn't make much sense. Kindred don't have inherent abilities like that. Auspex and Animalism is how they get them
>sometimes drastically change the game experience?
One of the defender copes for the smaller number of clans was that the original played too similar
Yet, from what we have seen in that demo Brujah apparently have Auspex? So besides the gimped customization they clans will play identically too?
Nevermind they outright say you just outright get auspex from being an elder which I don't like. It feels so weird that they simultaneously want you to be de-powered, but still get all these crazy powers. Am I an elder or not?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, i get it
You got depowered, but you still instinctively know how to use your disciplines.
You chose some cosmetic shit like skin color and da pronouns but character model is the same and you cannot change it. Basically you are playing as le non binary reddit vampire and you can just chose what you "identify" as.
They're androgynous so devs have a universal model and dont have to focus on making a charecter creator or modeling for different outfits, and so they only need the one voice actor. You can change pronouns but it doesn't actually make a difference.
the slow-mo punches were unironically hilarious, too bad Bloodlines 2 will fricking suck. Does BL2 even take place in Seattle still or did that get cut with the old devs?
No one is replying to this thread because that's how bad the game looks. It's so bad its not enough interesting enough to shit on. It's just bad. I don't think anyone even expects it to actually get released. I think most of us just instinctively expect Paradox to axe development again and give it to an even less skilled developer for another 4 years of wasted money before that developer shows footage of their version of VtMB2 with a protagonist with a broccoli cut that is a 500 year old elder vampire named DraK Hula.
>voice in your head wont shut up with exposition vomit
Zoomers literally can't play without someone telling them what to do. Just like the streamers they watch constantly talking.
This is the first time we've seen gameplay footage and the trailer has been out for 6 hours yet I've only seen one thread about it in the archives which died after like 10 replies, it really is unironically over isn't it?
Considering they're making a sequel for it (which is like the third time they're restarting the project) I'd say that yes it did, don't know what point you're trying to make here
Why do you expect this to raise interest? It's a niche game.
Considering they're making a sequel for it (which is like the third time they're restarting the project) I'd say that yes it did, don't know what point you're trying to make here
Now that the games are redeemable shit can we finally admit world of darkness is absolute garbage? It was only ever good because vampire bloodlines was good.
Allergy someone tried to eat her in her sleep and she instead ate them, but there was some sort of ritual where someone was trying to steal her people.
MC is a powerful Elder who just got out of torpor (who conveniently lost all her powers) so she needs a quippy neonate headmate to dump modern lore on her.
Also, the player needs a Johnny Silverhand who will tell him what to feel about what's happening on-screen.
an antediluvian waking up would be a world-changing event with permanent consequences (see all of the shit that went down when the ravnos antediluvian woke up and we had to have 5+ different parts of the wod ip involved in taking him down)
Why not get this why not play as caine but you dont know your caine anymore because get this caine is sleeping and you just jumped into some random vamps body to see if the world was still shit. 10/10 writing right?
Straight up killing and draining a bunch of ghouls is pretty evil like its literally feeding the beast to its fullest the only thing worse would be like raping and doing degenerate shit to them before killing them. This is sabat shit not the cam, your humanity would be so fricked from doing this you'd have an aura if you pulled this shit more than once
It's not specifically that they are ghouls, it's that they are humans. I don't agree with that other anon we don't get the context for why you are after this guy so there could be a good enough reason to justify killing his guards, but basically ghouls are for the most part, victims. Yeah there's some that aren't, but most are basically tricked into getting addicted to vampire blood and serving as thralls, there isn't really a difference between killing them and killing random drug addicts. Sure if they are hunting you down that's self defense, but if you break into their warehouse and kill them all, you need a damn good reason. Maybe we missed a scene that clarified they were all child murderers or something.
Well I guess it's established that they are "bad guys" so it's ok or something.
3 months ago
Anonymous
In a lot of missions in VTM:B you could just kill anyone who was in a gang iirc. It's been a while since i played, but i think only a few missions like the museum security guards you weren't supposed to kill? Plus of course any randomass street NPCs. It's a bit of a shame and a bit simplified but It's not the first time this has happened. One thing I like about WoD/CoD stuff is the "morality" systems, pretty much all of the splats I've read had one or more morality systems and the idea wasn't that there was an objective right or wrong, but that you need something to steer you, to guide you and living by that is important. Usually with supernatural consequences because you are some monster or whatever. But like, the Sabbat don't just get to ignore "humanity" they use a completely different moral code to avoid the beast.
i had no hope and i'm still disappointed. after all these years, that's what they want to sell the game with? fighting some braindead goons with janky animations in a dark warehouse, followed by a linear dialogue sequence? actually just sad, makes you wonder why they even cancelled the first attempt.
It's like they're trying to capture the jankiness of the original combat sections, but somehow overcomplicate even that. No new vision, just storytelling. A point-and-click with tacked-on gameplay. Even the character glitching through geometry would have made this infinitely more entertaining. The more I think about the wasted effort, the more sad I become.
We don't know.
We know he exists since every time they showed Phyre it's been pointed to as Fem Phyre, but he hasn't been shown besides MAYBE that one scene back in the reveal of a bearded guy in a coffin.
oh thank god, I was not digging ethnically ambiguous girlboss phyre
I guarantee they’re going to look really similar, they might change the voice actor but the face and general look is mostly going to be the same
There is A male model? Is he going to be a similarly androgynous monstrosity like the female model?
There has been NO male model shown, all we got was a piece of concept art with a bunch of different potential designs, some of which were male, but literally everything from the actual game they have shown, or from the actual promotional material, has only had the female model. I don't believe there is a male model until they show it.
They're a studio that specializes in "narrative RPGs". So it's safe to assume that Bloodlines 2 will be little more than endless cutscenes with some combat during missions. LITERAL ROLE-PLAYING is likely to be nonexistent.
>awkward voice acting >no character customization or alternate characters you’re stuck with Fyre >Fyre and Fabian never shut up and keep pointing out the obvious >janky and stiff animations >Fallout 4 dialogue
It truly is ogre
Since bloodlines still appears as a (broken) classic, a sequel or remake to take a shit on the name is still a priority. Don't worry if this fails, it will be contaminated eventually.
Jesus fricking christ you guys actually had ANY hopes for this? After the shitshow the VTM tabletop system became, all the shitty vampire games and after it became clear no one who made the original game would be involved?
Are you guys actually mentally challenged? Or am I actually sharing a board with normalgays who just wait for the next product they can be hyped about?
Yeah, i fell for hopecope. What can i say, i loved the original game and filled in the blanks on where obvious turds of modernity would later be planted.
People "hyped" for this type of product usually didn't play the original product. They just read about it or watch some youtuber saying how great it was. This is why, once the sequel is released, you can read a lot of "I wish they remake the first game like this".
This probably won't be good, but it also probably won't be as bad as Ganker will make it out to be.
All those "MUH TORTANIC XD" memes ruined this board. No one comes here to discuss video games anymore. Instead you're only here to root for games to fail so that you can makes memes about them.
bro we were given 60 seconds of game play and told to pre-order and we've seen another 30 seconds of gameplay. If they had any pride or knew this would sell they would not be scared for showing 20mins of gameplay already. Instead they are gonna pay shills to hype the game and last second pull all review keys as always, and claim the next patch will fix the game. Which wont come out for 8 months till or the next share holders meeting wtv is first.
it's like 8 minutes of punching bald dudes with shitty animations wtf, did they look at the sewers in the first one and thought, "yeah this is what people liked about the game"?
YEah but I mean its better than just the clip op posted and the other 30 seconds we got a few months ago. AT LEAST WERE SEEING THE FRICKING GAME FINALLY. Hopefully this is just the start of the game because every fricking game needs to teach you how to play because console Black folk and zoomers are moronic plus dont forget the game jurno fricks. I'm amazed they posted this at all tbh.
To show off the mocap performance duh. The mocap actor has to collect their paycheck.
Also NPCs don't look at you in these dialogue things, they look at your character. I don't like that, I liked the elder scrolls or VTM:B style look you in the eyes. It was a major element missing from a lot of the scenes in LA Noir, watching how the characters meet the detective's gaze isn't the same as watching them meet yours/the cameras.
On twitch and youtube you fricking moron like they do with every game. They do not pay people to shill on Ganker. Its gamedevs seething and damage controlling they do it for free while on break during overtime.
>They do not pay people to shill on Ganker
Why not? Ganker is considered a major influential social media site nowadays. If they have a budget for social media marketing they'd be stupid not to tell the shills to make some threads on Ganker as well.
Well as I said the gamedevs will do it for free screeching at Ganker for slaughtering them so badly and shattering their ego.
i wonder WHY they even released it. look at the framerate (at least in the beginning, didn't pay much attention to it later)
I mean its clearly some janky as frick alpha at least I hope so.... you never know anymore in this day and age. Everyone seen what 76 and cyberpunk pulled. Plus all the early access games on steam. >We can release the game in an alpha state and patch it over a year so its in what would be a beta state not even a fricking play tester beta state. People will buy it and spend 200$+ on dlc and micro no problem.
I really fricking doubt it unless they got mad enough at the negative press to come here and play defense force, and that's not "shilling" as much as it is getting buttmad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I know for a fact people from WB montreal and ubisoft shill and seeth on Ganker at their officer because I've literally heard people on break say this while smoking/walking my dog/at the cafe
3 months ago
Anonymous
>t. french canadian
I hate you already
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hate you to sanji/Chang. Alberta and Quebec are teaming up to win the election and are gonna gang rape you filthy Canadians for allowing that cuck to ruin the nation for so long and importing in millions of subhumans crashing the market and uping housing so much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I hate you to sanji/Chang
You're cool confusion me with your countrymen >Alberta and Quebec are teaming up to win the election and are gonna gang rape you filthy Canadians for allowing that cuck to ruin the nation for so long and importing in millions of subhumans crashing the market and uping housing so much.
Isn't he a literal French Canadian, son (maybe) of the most famous French Canadian? How is he not your fault?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>How is he not your fault?
We didn't vote for either of them. And they're both the most hated Quebecois in history.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It appears you're right
Your country is gay and failed, regardless
Also, Jesus, people complaining about the two party system here. Imagine getting ruled by a c**t that one got voted by a third of the population
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah its pretty brutal also add in it was the lowest voter turn out rate in history because people thought it was impossible I think it was something brutal like 52* voted
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've said many times and I'll say it again
Universal citizenship is the greatest mistake in civilization
3 months ago
Anonymous
ITs even better when we "found" out last year how much China India and Russia literally rig'd and messed with the last two elections. And how out CIA&NSA was freaking out about the government being corrupt as frick allowing spies to do anything including stealing nonstop and you know frick the people over trying to elect a government while also making housing impossible because the Chinese and companies buying up everything raising prices to insane levels Canadians can hardly rent. But subhumans can move here get 2k a month and 20 of them family live in a 2-3bdrm and bring in even more family to get welfare abuse foodbanks showing up with a bunch of children not theirs and going to 3-10 food banks a week and throw out all the food they dont like on the street or sell the food. All while getting social housing or cheap rent. Oh and all the ghettos created oh also all the cases of TB and parasites an random viruses you know all the fun stuff that comes with third worlders who refuse to be clean. Like touching all the food during covid and then putting it down while sick an coughing everywhere so that their nieightborhoods are the worst int he city by 2x 3x or even 4x infection rates and they're the reason why covid lasted so long.
BUT YES reminder to check out the /tg/ thread you can download every WoD book and read anything you want about VTM tens of thousands of pages of lore'n'shit to read so much cool shit you should check it out Ganker the mega is great. Also a lot of cool novels too and theirs even books on cities your city might have its own lore book! Mine does its the most important sabat city in the world for vampire lore&education!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fidel Castro is not the most famous French Canadian you Black person
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I really fricking doubt it unless they got mad enough at the negative press to come here and play defense force
I think it was that, but done before the release, which counts as shilling
Do you actually believe a dev would even come here? It's not the 2000s. Ganker hasn't had ANY influence on ANYTHING in a decade. This is a zombie website that only exists at all because it's become a refuge for people banned from reddit.
>Ganker hasn't had ANY influence on ANYTHING in a decade.
Did it ever had before? People whine about election tourists but everytime someone talks about Ganker having relevance it's the 2016 election and maybe Shia's flag
>You are beyond delusional if you think anyone would waste their money paying viral marketers to post on THIS shithole.
Then why does the catalogue is full of marketing most of the time?
Where does tourist cancer and other trash get the gall to post such brave lies and misinformation under unearned delusions of superiority. When they're wrong every time and just get shit on by their betters, ie. anons?
This isn't the type of game where bugs will be the problem. This game's problem is that it's just going to be aggressively mediocre and not fun. Patches won't fix that.
I’m mad because I’m disappointed >Fallout 4 dialogue wheel with the vague as frick options >Only 4 clans at launch >Sidekick and MC who never shut up and point out the obvious >no character customization
Are all the real sticklers for me, I could forgive everything else
>Sidekick and MC who never shut up and point out the obvious
the moment cyberpunk pulled that with keanu reeves i was like "if this game makes any kind of waves in the industry every other western video game writer is going to try this same shit dynamic, just you wait and see"
I’m mad because I’m disappointed >Fallout 4 dialogue wheel with the vague as frick options >Only 4 clans at launch >Sidekick and MC who never shut up and point out the obvious >no character customization
Are all the real sticklers for me, I could forgive everything else
>All those "MUH TORTANIC XD" memes ruined this board.
Honestly it's not even that. There's a mentally ill schizo here that desperately wants to talk and rage endlessly about "woke" and trannies. They also like to focus on "disappointment" about this game, and feign shock and disgust. I think it's the Rudi poster. As you can tell, he's usually in all threads. And he's probably at least 30% of this thread, constantly pretending to be multiple people that are all "losing hope" or some shit.
That's my theory anyway. I also suspect he does this with other things. Like I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same person that was desperately trying to force anti-woke outrage and negativity over BG3, a la gay bear sex and the white male fighter protag being boring statement. Then he got BTFO by the games organic popularity.
Mind you, I'm very anti-woke myself. But I fricking love vampires and goth aesthetics. And I want the WoD IP to succeed and produce more stuff. I even played and loved their text CYOA games. I'm a person that would totally like to discuss this game here, but I can't because every thread is spammed to hell with the same tired outrage bait memes. And again, I think it's mostly the work of a very small number of bad actors.
If anything, what ruined Ganker is the creation of these individual boogeymen, who usually have conveniently doxed themselves as gays and/or third-worlders and are usually responsible for all dissenting opinions I don't like
Dude, this crap had very publicized problems. To think this won't be an unmitigated disaster is just deluding yourself. They've either kicked out or refused anyone with an ounce of talent. Best hope is that it will be just very mediocre and forgotten in 3 days.
>people can't possibly be disappointed because they liked the original and wanted a proper sequel and this looks like total shit so far >no, it's all the work of a single schizo who hates trans-folx!
Utterly delusional.
I shouldn't be giving you a (you) but here you go.
I myself expect to be disappointed by this game. But everything that can be said has been said 100s of times now. You don't need to spam or pretend to be multiple people. "It looks like shit!" Yeah, we've known it looked jank since before the Chinese Room got it. The Hardsuit ingame reveals were already a disaster and that was years ago.
At this point it's going to come out. It will probably be a huge disappointment. So what? It either has something still in there for vampire superfans or it will be totally unsalvageable. Either good enough to garner more vampire games or push the IP into torpor for another 20 years. Excuse me if I don't hope for the latter.
Nta but >But everything that can be said has been said 100s of times now
Then why would you still come to these threads? >You don't need to spam or pretend to be multiple people
What? > good enough to garner more vampire games
Would you rather have shit games made on the same model rather no games? Because I'd much prefer the former
>This probably won't be good, but it also probably won't be as bad as Ganker will make it out to be.
I don't normally go with Ganker and all the doomposting over the most stupid fricking shit, but this is one of the times where I agree 100%. This game looks horrible. In almost every single aspect. From animations, combat, graphics and dialogue. Nothing they have shown us is even remotely something to be excited about. The game just looks really bad. Yeah, the original had a ton of problems, but even just looking at screen shots of the game when I first heard about it, years ago gave me some sort of interest.
Everything this game has shown has been nothing but dog shit combat and terrible decision making when it comes to being an """rpg""". Chinese room seem to be so petrified about showing anything else that they know they cant live up to the original so they have to constantly show the gameplay that was """""improved"""" on the original build of BL2 when everything else feels and looks objectively worse. Paradox are the dumbest fricking people to be given the IP. The only reason chinese box got the game was because they can shit out a cheap game to hopefully get even a 10th of what they spent on the game back.
This is UE5 right? can you not just slap in some basic character creation system. Surely in 2024 you dont need to create this shit anyone since almost every game has right?
Isn't that metahuman shit already fully included by default? They are probably just incompetent to actually use it or they want to force everyone to paly as their snowflake self-insert.
Doesn't matter anyway, even if chara creation was there the writing and animations are still cringe.
It looks like a b-tier adventure game not an actual RPG.
Man I'd somewhat at least understand it on a basic level if they did extensive mocap, lip sync, etc so they had to limit it to one character.... but it all just looks like utter shit and jank.
I don't understand this world any more. I have to admit that the most plausible answer is indeed competency crisis.
>pre-made character (allegedly) >voiced protagonist >fallout 4 dialogue wheel >johnny silverhand 2 >exp for killing enemies which incentivizes combat over other approaches >brujah using telekinesis
What's to know about a nothing of a project staffed by a bunch of nobodies who are going to deliver an awful product. Everyone with a half a brain has understood that for a few years now.
I don't get it. They cancelled the first one because it looked like complete trash, spent years and i'm sure a decent amount of money to re-make the game, and it still looks like complete trash.
>tfw you will never have a vampire sugar momma give you the vitae breastmilk after a near death experience of saving her from a horde of hunters while she was staked
Pain
Agony Even
Some would refer to this feeling as suffering.
>forced to play a short haired androgynous something with only 4 clan options, none of which include Nosferatu or Malkavian
So what's the point? This is an incredibly lame budget version of the original that doesn't come close to doing the cool shit we'd expect a Vtmb sequel to do.
>majority of "development-hell" games have been shit >cut content >game barely resembles the original >they know fans to the original will call it out for the shit it is >they know it wont attract enough new "fans" because zoomers aren't into vampires and twilight anymore >still go through with it
what kind of sunk-cost fallacy logic are they even attempting to apply here?
I really don't understand it, but I guess maybe they're banking on Wodgays who will buy and defend anything, plus hopefully trying to capture longterm sales from the kind of gays who will try and play any of those cheap storyslop titles you'd find on any digital marketplace. They'd also make something from the name alone.
WoD literally died 20 years ago as in this is canon. Ghenna happened in 2004 the vamps died, god was pissed. Mages are fricked thanks to the ~~*technocratic union*~~ and the werewolves >lmao >werewolves >furries mattering
Eh its yeah its very mixed bag some good some bad. I think a shit load of humanity should have had their eyes open to vampires, especially after that shit in the middle east causing global problems. Aint no way in fricking hell the tech could have hid that shit from humanity.
With how fast tech was becoming too vampires would be fricked. Don't get me started on how stupid the blood technomancy shit is.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I don't really care for Mage. >especially after that shit in the middle east causing global problems
What shit? Ur-Shulgi? That was in Revised
V20 was pretty good, just a general compilation with a cool metaplot agnostic take
Though it would retroactively plant the seeds of V5, BJD had a lot of neat hooks and ideas
3 months ago
Anonymous
If anything, technology has made cover-ups a lot easier. It's something the original setting got wrong, it acted like info tech would be the Masquerade's doom, but instead it's its savior.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You forget about everyone else in WoD. Everyone would love to see the leeches dead, literally everyone. Also the "NAS" and neo-christcucks gaining power means mass vamp purging. Yeah it would totally be the timeline of thinbloods and the young gens, Elders would be fricked.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You forget about everyone else in WoD. Everyone would love to see the leeches dead, literally everyone.
We both know WoD was horribly inconsistent about crossover and the weakest part of the game was how nobody bothered to try and make them fit coherently together.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That why tech becoming so powerful can connect everything together its the start of a new age.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not really sure what you mean.
Anyway forcing people to do cross-splat is an awful idea, frankly unless they remade the setting from the ground up I'd much rather keep most of them in their respective lanes. I don't want Mage shit infecting the games I actually like, thank you very much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>shit
cringe mages are based. But yeah isn't this what they're doing with V5 or thats what it feels like once mage comes out. I feels like they're gonna start trying to do cross splat and flesh out the world more
3 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, the "Second Inquisition is a technocracy front" thing is 100% fan cope.
It took them several years to put out another splat after V5, which was H5. It has nothing to do with the old Hunter: the Reckoning, and was a barebones book with two example monsters. One of which is a vampire but doesn't even use V5 vampire rules.
And Werewolf 5th came out pretty recently, and again 0 cross-splat. In fact most of the grade A Wyrm shit and Pentex was toned down or removed. So I wouldn't bet on them trying to remake a coherent WoD cosmology.
Also neither Mage5 or a Wraith5 have been even teased yet, 5th edition paradox WoD moves at a glacial pace.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Wait I thought mage v5 has been teased. Man wait why the frick would they not finally fuse everything together for V5. I forgot werewolf came out a few months ago. How furry homosexual erotic is it? Or better yet how dumb down is it. I take it just unga bunga beat stuff up nature good tech bad now if they gutted so much of its lore.
3 months ago
Anonymous
W5 was absolutely anemic. They removed all the weird furry sex stuff, toned down the eldritch horror, and doubled down on the "dude climate lmao" stuff.
The biggest fiasco was that the Get of Fenris are now non-playable and evil because they're still acting like WtA werewolves (ie: overzealous violent shitheads) while everyone else is being a sadboi and trying to "improve their corner of the world", which is in line to the head WoD5 dev's "street level" focus for the edition. W5 development was very troubled, with several people being fired from its production. One of them aired out the dirty laundry and mentioned a Paradox rep, a Swedish convert to Islam, tried to claim that "The Get of Fenris are all nazis and should not be playable", and got mad when he was shown evidence from older editions to the contrary.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I've only skimmed a tiny bit of vtmV5 JFC I dont even want to know what paradox is even doing. Why the frick is sweden allowed to touch WoD better yet why is paradox not bankrupt yet?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>why is paradox not bankrupt yet?
Because 4x games print money because they cost fricking nothing to make and sell like hotcakes to autists.
3 months ago
Anonymous
paradox should make a grand strategy VtM game, in all honesty...
3 months ago
Anonymous
Vampire flavoured CK3 sounds pretty rad.
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's a CK3 mod that's WoD-ified, even has some paradox employees working with the modmakers.
Paradox bought the entire White Wolf / World of Darkness line from CCP. It was a fairly major investment for them.
Presumably they thought it was an underused potential (I agree) that could be farmed. If you own all the IP you own a cut of all inspirations and merch.
Step 1: release a flagship gayme
Step 2: the popularity of 1 allows lesser games.
This is where everything went to shit. They've clearly stalled out on 1 and allowed some of 2 with disappointing results because no flagship is popularizing the IP for indie studios to spend money on a licensing fee.
>No customization >Voiced protagonist >Yet another "voice in your head" character >4 dialog choices - Yes, No but Yes, Yes(Sarcastic), More info (then Yes)
That's all I needed to see to know it's going to be trash.
And? I've known about all of it as well, but you can't expect every gay on this site to have also known it. Is this some kind roundabout way of trying to invalidate people's complaints about the game?
Where did this "voice in the protagonist's head" meme come from? Was Cyberpunk really the originator of this? Of all the games to copy, why copy one of the most divisive AAA games that came out in the last 10 years?
Being able to talk to NPCs about shit that's happening in-game is a good thing, it increases immersion by giving more life to them and letting the player RP the main character's thought process.
But tying conversations to specific NPCs makes those conversations missable so some idiot came up with the idea that the MC should be having conversations with himself, that way you'll never miss them and they can take place on the go.
Only talking to the same single "character" every time means other NPCs won't be fleshed out, plus if it writers aren't good enough, it quickly starts to feel like you're being told what you should be thinking about the game, which is the opposite of immersion.
I don't care if the graphics suck. Hell, the combat sucked in 1 and people still loved it. But they can't just write something half decent anymore. Why?
You should've been there in the early 2000s
By then VtM was just too nerdy for the drama kids it attracted and too goth and weepy for the usual TTS crowd
In order to shut up the Paradox/CR shills, allow me to rapid-fire some reasons this game looks bad.
>No weapons or items at all, seemingly just fists >Flowchart combat, the devs even admit to this one in the second half, try to paint it as a good thing >Hits seems very weightless >Combat feeding is a part of the combat loop, but Ventrue are a playable clan, how will their blood requirement be handled? >Voice acting is technically proficient but very awkward and stilted. It sounds like they're talking past each other. >No check or ability to notice the very obvious cellphone in the Nosferatu's hand, despite being an elder vampire with mandatory heightened senses >"Puzzle boss" that is just a way to pad time and give you the current boss's motivation a couple minutes before he's killed >4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
>4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
i guess i can forgive not including malks and nosferatu since they would have the most "unique" rp and gameplay experience, but how in the frick do you include banu fricking haqim while skipping over toreador and the fricking gangrel, two of the og and most iconic vamp clans?
>>No weapons or items at all, seemingly just fists
You're moronic
combat, the devs even admit to this one in the second half, try to paint it as a good thing
How so? >>Hits seems very weightless
True
feeding is a part of the combat loop, but Ventrue are a playable clan, how will their blood requirement be handled?
Simply don't feed
acting is technically proficient but very awkward and stilted. It sounds like they're talking past each other.
Yeah >>No check or ability to notice the very obvious cellphone in the Nosferatu's hand, despite being an elder vampire with mandatory heightened senses
That would Auspex, no idea why they never use it. >>"Puzzle boss" that is just a way to pad time and give you the current boss's motivation a couple minutes before he's killed
Idk what this is referring to, havent seen this part >>4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
Original was extremely rushed and broken otherwise, hell, in true vanilla you couldn't reach Chinatown, making the game impossible to finish.
For a fact? No. But it's a weird thing to have a full 15 minutes of gameplay and not showcase a single weapon, or even that you have it.
Same energy as them dodging in-depth customization questions by talking about what clothes you can wear. It's not certain, but it doesn't inspire confidence in me and I wouldn't put it past them to have not put in weapons at all.
Why has Vampire, and White Wolf in general, seem to be trying so hard to move away from the grungy 90's punk style and aesthetic that completely defined this setting before? Can you imagine the original Bloodlines without that grimy personality to all of its dialogue? How rooted it all was in west coast slum living? I don't get what's supposed to interest me here.
Because the creators went from living on that environment to now actually having money.
And any new hires are coming from a healthy white family with a college background and are overpaid, underskilled white morons with no idea how that underworld actually looks like or underskilled, overpaid diversity token hires.
They literally do not know that environment anymore despite the west coast being ripe with shithole streets filled to the brim with tents, drug addicts and Nosferatu looking mother frickers.
And they are content with keeping it that way because they just care about money now, but cannot replicate the earlier success so they keep trying to do a half assed attempt at it.
They somehow made something that looked passable but riddled with issues that needed work into the most generic, gay fricking bullshit possible.
This shit is dead
Is there no inventory in this game? There’s only outfits. Are there no skills either, there’s no menu option for your character it’s just their “ability tree” is this like AssCreed now
Is there no inventory in this game? There’s only outfits. Are there no skills either, there’s no menu option for your character it’s just their “ability tree” is this like AssCreed now
IIRC the original build had no proper inventory for the weapons and you only could use what showed up in the world.
They might be somehow still use that on this version, ut surely theyre not that moronic, right?
Man I need to just give up and hit the copium pipe so everything makes me happy in life and I gladly waste my money on everything no wustion asked no thoughts needed.
Exalted, but it's a Musou to better reflect how bullshit they get in comparison to regular human beings. It turns into a fighting game when they have to fight other Exalted.
I feel you, I feel you. And since the gaming audience if obssesed with redemption arcs we have to live with "woah CDPR fixed the game, I know it had a bad launch but it's actually really good now" frick me.
I feel you, I feel you. And since the gaming audience if obssesed with redemption arcs we have to live with "woah CDPR fixed the game, I know it had a bad launch but it's actually really good now" frick me.
Honestly, I never liked Cyberpunk 2020. I would like to see a new Shadowrun game though. Either another one from Harebrained Schemes, or one of these first person RPGs from someone else. But with the wireless matrix.
GURPS Horror - The Madness Dossier.
The Madness Dossier is a setting in which history has been corrupted, rewritten, distorted, by the good guys. All of humanity were slaves to the Annunaki in their eternal empire, until the year 535 AD, when rebelling humans convinced enough of humanity they did not deserve to be slaves, that reality itself altered to fit that perception. All of history prior to 535 AD is simultaneously false, yet also the physical truth. Now in the modern day, agents of the Annunaki have returned and seek to insert information about the secret history back into the mainstream consciousness, to have humanity remember their destiny as slaves and undo the reality shift. They might leave evidence of the true history at an archeological site, insert lyrics into a popular song, feed info to flat earth groups who might bring some of it into their beliefs etc. The primary conflict is for control of any objects, creatures or places from the original history, agents of mankind fighting to destroy or secure them, whilst agents of the Annunaki seek to exploit them or reveal them. If an army of snakemen emerged from an ancient tomb and attacked a city, that would probably start a lot of people questioning a lot of shit.
I've been out of the loop since White Wolf (?) lost the rights to make Vampire the Masquerade shit because they went full woke and got shitcanned for it, so I had no idea they were making Bloodlines 2. Looks like shit though.
Yeah that's another concern of mine. I'm not confident that there are "right choices" you can make when socially engaging with another character.
Also, there was no prompt to use Presence, a discipline Brujah have in-clan, during the conversation. Bodes very ill, especially when both Ventrue and Tremere have Dominate.
Yeah, no way. During the extended gameplay the devs said that they were """roleplaying""" as brujah by picking the mean forceful options in dialogue. Not that being Brujah inherently gives you those forceful options, just that they were going to pick the forceful options of their own free will I guess. I guarantee you that every one of those 3 options (intimidate, persuade, whatever the third was) leads to the exact same outcome.
It feels like these devs have no idea what roleplaying means. They touted that a Banu Haqim would have played more stealthy and a Brujah would have fought it out with fists, but that's entirely up to the player. There's nothing incentivizing or disincentivizing certain playstyles based on the clan you pick. A Banu Haqim can theoretically do the fighting gameplay just as well as a Brujah, and a Brujah can theoretically sneak around just as well as a Banu Haqim. Shits stoopie.
How did they manage to make a version that's WORSE than the previous one? At least before the main issue seemed to be clunky gameplay. This is just diarrhea soup. >devs biggest works were iffy walking simulators and the WORST game in the amnesia series
Why did Paradox even hand this off to Chinese Room? I know it isn't a gigantic franchise but it is well-known and they're certainly other devs who have more experience in RPGs that probably would have worked for the same price. >bloodlines 2
Frick, why even call it bloodlines? Name it something else, VtM: the Phyre Rises and at least then nobody will complain that you're raping a series.
>How did they manage to make a version that's WORSE than the previous one? At least before the main issue seemed
The sad part is you're lying. The Hardsuit version looked like shit and from what little we knew about it was going to be absolutely horse shit and probably unplayable.
You're defending the version of the game where guns were an ability, like Thaumaturgy.
They used Covid as an excuse to do nothing and collect paychecks for it, they had to send in a corpo hatchet man to figure out wtf was going on, and he came back with proof they hadn't made any progress since before the pandemic.
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what was going on. I think progress completely stalled because the company turned into a revolving door of codemonkeys and they fired all the writers after the writers had finished their job, so they didn't have to keep paying them.
When the game passed from Hardsuit to The Chinese Room.
Dollars to donuts you're actually still a thinblood originally and the voice in your head is an Elder you fricked up diablerizing. Most baby tier bait and switch I can think of.
The idea of playing a shit ass thinblood was dumb and gay. I'm not looking forward to depowered elder with some talkative moron I your head either but at the very least playing someone of rank has appeal to me.
The moment they realized that in lore even the most basic Auspex inspection can notice Diablerie, making their "Thinblood rises through the ranks" literally impossible
I don't actually hate the gameplay and set piece as shown in that trailer
battling a delusional nossie mind fricker in a mannequin factory is pretty rad
but the zoomer trend garbage (they/them protagonist, obnoxious voice in your head, FPS everything) is making this too hard a sell
it's just not bloodlines
My cope after the Thinblood -> Elder revision was that it'd hit that Redemption vibe at least, but it's clear at this point that that's an unhappy coincidence.
I will say that at least the previous horrible devs kept in non F4 unvoiced dialogue choices, which automatically makes it better, even though the actual writing was going to be shit.
>heard about the bl1 devs getting kicked out for having too high standards
What
homie, Mitsoda was working on the Thinblood premise, he had no standards.
I have 0 faith in the chinese room, but the dyke theymbie protag is a sign that they at least know their audience. Tumblrinas have always been the top consumers of vampire content
>yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no >no, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, yes >no, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, no >no, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no >no, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no >yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, no >no, no, no, no, no, no, no
It was always DOA. There's a very small number of studios in the entire industry with enough talent to make a sequel to Bloodlines. A bunch of gays that make walking sims aren't one of them.
Vampires are real and the Camarilla uses the IP to make people think vampires are just a nerdy myth, but also they keep it fringe and hated so people don't notice the similarities.
Idk, if you look at VtM it's a pretty healthy mix of meh and good. It's more like the franchise is owned by fricking Paradox. I refuse to believe that making a fun VtM is so difficult, most of the mechanics should translate fine to a videogame format. Frick, certainly easier than DnD or even CoC. Literally all you need is a few decent writers, if you want to keep it a small investment make it isometric and turn based and scratch the VAs.
It isn't and baldurs gate success would've been incredible for the franchise if this shitheap wasn't already under development.
Would've shown there's a massive market for more rpg mechanics but this franchise just can't catch a break.
I still hate the art direction they went with the realistic route, not to say they should have gone a more cartoony route, VTMB 1 wasn't exactly trying to have a realistic look or too cartoony, maybe "stylized realism" is the best way to describe VTMB 1? the first game just had a unique art style and I wish this game had some resemblance of that
Several reasons. Firstly, they're kind of an asspull in the first place. In order to come to pass, all the big boy hunter organizations had to come together and meet without vampires catching wind of it. They then, despite the incredible paranoia dealing with creatures famous for subverting institutions and having mind control would create, they managed to share enough intel, resources, and cooperate, again without vampires knowing. This problem is exacerbated by the fact the majority of SI are glowies, who have a reputation for corruption. They then pulled hitherto unprecedented technology and magical items such as a red gas that kills vampires out of their asses. From there, they proceed to pose the biggest threat to vampires in the last 500 years, but the vampires never actually strike back against them. It feels very lazy, they didn't really earn any of it. There's a reason them being a technocracy op is a common fan theory to handwave away the many, many plotholes to their existence.
Secondly they don't actually hit any of the themes that makes Hunters fun. One, they're not the underdog. They're presented as being in the commanding position, but only because their enemy has both hands tied behind their back by plot. So they neither feel like underdogs nor do their victories feel hard-fought and won. This undermines the horror of the supernaturals of the world and the pay-off when you earn your victory against the damned through grit, cunning, and teamwork.
Thirdly, they fight stupid but never suffer the consequences. Very unsubtle with their official markings and tacticool LARPer gear, any vampire with a brain should be able to duck them before they even show up. Things like pumping a city full of red gas and the masquerade still exists. Worse, they seem to want to maintain the masquerade! They find vampires based on the writers misunderstanding of how the surveillance state works.
TL;DR: They have plot armor and don't earn any of their wins.
I'm not that anon, I don't play the tabletop (only video games), I don't like hunters, but I will also answer as an excuse to rant.
This was already sort of said, but they are a Deus ex machina, but one that is even more unfun and unsatisfying than what that usually implies. The equivalent of "rocks fall, you die" DM team kill, for vampires.
They also represent a problem with the writing in post oWoD world building. The writers of CoD and v5 vampire seemingly don't understand the appeal of vampire and have an ideology in active contradiction of it even. They insist vampirism is a TERRIBLE CURSE *cries tears of blood*. Wrong. Every RPG, by definition really, represents escapist fantasy. Everyone by revealed preferences of playing Vampire thinks on some level being a vampire would be awesome. I know I wish I was one.
Sure you can have elements of personal tragedy but ultimately it's a dream to gain immortality, superpowers, and induction into an exciting, dangerous, dark but sexy secret world/society. Second Inquisition is there to make good on the writer's bluff that you don't really want that. You want to be a basic b***h go nowhere human and not have ~personal horror~. The SI as a deus ex machina force perfectly counteract your vampire superpowers. You can't use them or enjoy unlife now without your tail between your legs. You probably won't live long either, because you'll forget about some gas station camera or accidently use email one time. They are written in such a way as you are not allowed to fight against them and win. Only run and learn your lesson. If you continue to use your kickass powers "rocks fall, you die."
It's narratively moronic and sucks the life out of everything. "Imagine you're Dracula. But you have to hide in your room and not ever turn into a bat. If you do, before your dad falls asleep he will come in and beat your ass and take away your game console. Pretty cool to be Dracula, right?" GJ V5 writers.
This doesn't even look BAD. It just looks aggressively mediocre and rushed. The whole thing where you're stuck in a loop and each time it gets weirder, that's kind of lame. The biggest problem is actually the voice acting, which ranges from bad to annoying. I also worry if this is the section of the game that they WANTED to show off, because that implies that the rest is WORSE.
You're given a proper budget and time, how would (you) go about actually making a VTMB sequel? Diablerie? Open world shit? Clan specific quests? More clans?
I'm genuinely curious cause replaying the original so much has me imagining what a proper sequel would look like and this sequel just looks mid.
I feel like a VTMB sequel would actually need to follow up on the plot of the original game in some way, but that's not really in the cards. I think it ended as well as it can. Any true sequel has to choose a canon ending and the ending are too different for that to be a good idea.
That being said if Paradox gave me BL2's budget and told me to make a VTM game...
>You get shovelheaded at the beginning of the game. This way you can select your clan from a shitload of different options without the developers having to make a custom prologue for every single one, and it has a through-line with Bloodlines of the unplanned embrace. Note: you are NOT a thinblood, you're a real vampire. >Like all shovelheads, you get thrown as canon fodder against the Camarilla in a suicide attack. During this you get captured by the Camarilla, who intends on using you to take out the Sabbat. >The deal they offer you is fairly simple. You didn't ask for this embrace, and the Sabbat threw you to your doom. Work with the Camarilla as their inside man, and when all is said and done, you'll be a card-carrying member of the organization with the Prince's favor, and may even get some domain rights out of it. >From there you're set loose with a handler of sorts who will stay in the shadows, and get to see both the Camarilla and Sabbat sides of unlife, before ultimately making a choice on which to side with, or possibly try the dangerous game of playing them both off of each other. >Unlike in Bloodlines you have no Caine boosting your fledgeling ass up, but the Sabbat encourage diablerie and the Prince will overlook it as long as it's not done on any members of the Camarilla. Diablerie significantly boosts your disciplines, especially granting out of clan ones, but stacks other debuffs, meaning a serial diablerist will be extremely powerful but barely holding it together. >More traditional RPG gameplay than an ARPG, possibly even a full-bore CRPG.
>Any true sequel has to choose a canon ending and the ending are too different for that to be a good idea.
We already know the canon ending tho, Independent.
What makes this particularly frick hard though is schemes within schemes within schemes within...
That's what a proper vtmb2 needs, especially for the intro, you have to be immersed in schemes and trying to figure out wtf is going on, and starting as a shovelhead is honestly perfect.
Thank you. I haven't fleshed out the idea fully, because it's not like I'll get to make it, but I'm glad the idea is appreciated. I wanted to have similar themes to the original bloodlines of starting at the bottom and rising to the top, being thrown into the deep end of intrigue, and being used by everybody but being the one who holds the key to victory in the end.
>Eidos Montreal
Ya know, poor Eidos.
Deus Ex had a rough way to positive reception, because nobody thought they could do a good Deus Ex sequel, then that demo leaked and people dug the game, even if it wasn't seminal as the og, then another team did that awful Thief remake and then they released Mankind Divided, which could've been a good game but it was one of the most obvious cases of a publisher fricking over a developer I've ever seen. After that a surprisingly good GotG game that was doomed to failure no matter what
Squeenix harmed the western industry with that they did to Eidos and CD ina completely different way than the israelites, but on a similar level
>uhh you're trying to turn this into another tortanic waaahhhhh
Yes, if you think people aren't doing it, then you're extremely naive or extremely new.
Doing what? Creating a meme out of V5's failure? This already happened. It was literally an international accident with Chechnya that resulted in White Wolf ceasing to be a independent entity
"We don't want it to be just a sort of poor homage or pastiche of Bloodlines 1. We want it to be its own thing,"
We're not doing what Bloodlines 1 did."
Whenever a dev describes their sequel to a niche, cult-classic game like this, you know it's DOA.
>We don't want this sequel to feel like a poor replica of the original >Therefore we will do absolutely nothing the original did >It's still a sequel though
They aren't "finishing the game". They're literally making their own game from scratch. The Bloodlines 2 that was announced in 2019 will NEVER be released.
>The Bloodlines 2 that was announced in 2019 will NEVER be released.
Let's be real. That didn't look that amazing either. It's amazing that this game play managed to be a step down from that, though. Being a VTMB fan is hard, bros.
>was hopeful until just now
How
It's based off a bad version of the tts, it has lingered in development hell for years, they fired everyone involved that had worked on the previous game, paradox is shit at management, and everything we had seen of it previously like the voiced dyke protagonist and limited clans spelled out a disaster
The gameplay reminds me of an Arkane game, not in a good way. Though even Arkane themselves have found their formula turn to shit as of late, this is like a mockery of what they do. Why is feeding an instant stealth kill? Shouldn't it be a slow, brutal draining?
Separate from the arkane complaints, removing the speed up mode and replacing it with the speed melee combo seems like a downgrade on top of being more work. One of the coolest parts of the original VTM:B is the ability to use your own celerity in the fight with the celerity vampire and have the game basically turn into "normal" gameplay, but with the zombies in slow motion. I hope you can unlock bullet time style celerity later.
They should have allowed the player to name the character whatever they want and just have NPCs refer to them as 'THE NOMAD'
they fricking have it right there, jeez. >You're the dragon born! vault dweller! lone survivor! the courier! etc etc
They should have allowed the player to name the character whatever they want and just have NPCs refer to them as 'THE NOMAD'
they fricking have it right there, jeez. >You're the dragon born! vault dweller! lone survivor! the courier! etc etc
Commander Shephard in mass effect, or Hawke in Dragon Age 2 were chosen so they could have voiced name lines but still have you insert a first name. These short, identifiable names don't really let you insert as the character, and they don't add anything to the performance that just using a title wouldn't do.
Phyre itself doesn't bother me as a name, it sounds fine, but I would have preferred a full name if I'm going to have a premade character anyway. Phineas McPhyre or Phyre Xanatos or whatever the frick.
Is it the heavy focus on crime and being outside the system? Most cyberpunk does focus on that, but Shadowrun in particular is hyperfocused on being a heist simulator. It doesn't have a lot of room for being a cog in the machine trying to do the best you can within a corrupt system, doomed to fail, or actual rebellion/revolution against the system. Those are possible within certain boundaries, but mostly you play thieves who do some occasional assassinations or freelance detective work.
The combat is passable and I like the idea of being Sheriff. However >4 clans at launch >performance issues even in their own gameplay reveal >Johnny Silverhand who comments on everything >the awkward voice acting >Fallout 4 dialogue with vague options >The lack of them showing or even confirming any skills (?) weapons (?) or nonlinear options (ie persuading Willem instead of fighting him, or dominating him, there just doesn’t appear to be other options) >the lack of character customization >the animation quality particularly the facial expressions
all bother the shit out of me
It's funny because in interviews before they've mentioned how you can do different playstyles and they even talk about it in the deep dive, but the only playstyles they mention at all are stealth melee assassin, melee combat and maybe some blood magic. This video basically confirms thats what they think options are, a stealth playthrough and an open combat playthrough. The idea of solving puzzles, using dialogue, ranged vs melee or a hundred other things is just not mentioned. You have more playstyle variance in Dishonored or Bioshock than this and those are not designed for variety.
Premade MC is not bad if the story is good enough whilst keeping some room for player agency. But that MC is trying to be both a blank slate with minimal personality and also its own character and it's the worst of both worlds on a game that already struggles to come off as an RPG.
I'd recommend pic related to anons wanting another VtM game. It's different from bloodlines: it also has a default MC, you start as a crusader turned vampire in the middle ages and the story develops as you try to come to terms with it. It's isometric and you also have party members so it plays pretty differently but it's overall a fun experience for more VtM stuff other than replaying bloodlines for the 100th time.
>there's a voice in your head >but you can't play as a Malkavian and have a second, competing voice try and mislead you or sometimes give better advice than the thin blood >as the game progresses, the two voices begin to sound more and more alike, to the point you can no longer tell them apart
I always hated how vampires when they feed just get it all over their face and are slinging the blood around all over like an indian street food vendor, they're supposed to be subtle not filthy.
My hope for this game plummets to levels I didn't even know I was capable of feeling with every single video they put out. I'm not kidding that this is a lightning-in-a-bottle when it comes to negative expectations for me in terms of video games and I'm pushing 30 soon so it's not like I didn't have my share of bad games.
I'm not even feeling anger anymore, It's more like disgust with a hint of curiosity to see just how low they can possibly go.
It feels like someone should sit these devs down and have them play Xbox 360 shooters for a few weeks. Not the good ones, stuff like Legendary. Then explain to them this is what they have made, and this is what people will experience playing their game.
Either recorded at the time, and thus outdated, or recorded later, in which case he wouldn't know anything about the development and his commentary is pointless. So either way it's useless, it's not like they would let him say anything like "and there was massive interference from paradox" or whatever.
you know you fricked up when even the youtube comments are shitting on you
I'm not gonna lie I rarely see a lot of positivity in youtube comments.
Tremere sorcery could do it in the tabletop i think
I'm probably wrong but I got the impression it's just a power you get from being an elder vampire in this, that you've learned some rare TK discipline shit
>it's just a power you get from being an elder vampire in this
How many of these automatic elder vampire powers players get? It's making it sound like the core gameplay is identical no matter the clan
I'm not sure about the TK but you get super senses similar to auspex. In the tabletop you could learn some minor powers outside your clans disciplines it's just a pain you need a teacher willing to share their blood and it costs a lot of XP. So you probably won't be exactly focusing on non-clan disciplines. I guess the utility disciplines are basically stuff your character got a teacher in in the past thanks to their long life? If there's too many it probably will just make everything the same, but we don't even know if you can use guns yet so "clans might play the same" is a pretty minor fear compared to how bad things could be.
I've been saying this for years. But a VTM game should always be set pre 2000. Preferrably 90's. The entire setting just doesn't work otherwise. It was always doomed to fail because of this.
>NWoD >set in the 2020's >MC is a rip off of V from cyberpunk for some reason even down to their appearance >can't change your characters apperance
This is just horrible. No one wanted this.
Wait, there's no character creator? You have to play as that short haired mixed race lady who shaves a line in her eyebrow?
You can only change the skin colour IIRC.
literally removed it from my wishlist, cheers for the heads up.
I'm expecting the plot twist to be that you're actually not the elder, just someone who diablerized the elder and now is going schizo. Perhaps too kino for this game. Won't be buying this shit, as it looks terrible.
Are you joking? Have they confirmed this somewhere? Not even going to bother torrenting this, if this is the case.
>Have they confirmed this somewhere?
Yes. You can change skin tone, hair color, and gender. They've been quiet on if you can change clothing, but the four (lol) Clans have different starting outfits.
>Perhaps too kino for this game.
People predicted that the zoomer model is actually the modern vamp who tried to diablerize the elder and the voice in her head is the actual elder immediately when the first footage was shown. It's the most braindead obvious cliche you could think of and most likely exactly what happens.
Maybe. Looking at the video it feels more like the reverse. The voice is the remnant of the diablerists soul, acting as a sort of buddy cop modern voice to the confused boomer elder vampire. The dynamic between the two introing new people into the new world. You know, so Phyre doesn't sound like a psycho moron narrating everything such as what a nosferatu is to herself.
I think it could work. I wonder if they fuse by the end.
And your character always uses they/them pronouns.
Proof?
Modern audience.
So no proof then.
Wait and see.
The enemies using the royal they in the trailer didn't clue you in?
So you didn't watch the video then.
Devs went full moron
Was confirmed that there'd be no character creation last year.
Remember that the current version is NOT the same game that was announced half a decade ago. It's an ENTIRELY different game made by an entirely different company. They restarted development from the ground up and scrapped EVERYTHING from the previous game except for apparently small chunks of a few stage maps (which were they totally redone anyway) and a small handful of character models (which were also remade).
>Was confirmed that there'd be no character creation last year
Link to that?
Literally ALL of the official material they revealed about the game last year was extremely upfront about there being a ready made character.
I don't mind the lack of character creation, as long as the male/female models of each clan are different, like the og bloodlines.
>as long as the male/female models of each clan are differen
sorry anon mocap is hard even tho we've been doing it since the 00's we need to hire models at 2k/hr and use 5 million dollar systems. And models really? we can sell those as DLC/micro for 10-20$ each with 5-10$ skins.
here are your options bro
>Assamites
these dont look androgynous, they just look like city lesbians
>Tremere, Banu, Ventrue
>Nice lore description
>Brujah
>yeah it's a melee class lol
>Brujah
>lore
Lol
Well, they could at least mention the anarchist / rebel shit. You'd think that the blue-haired morons would jump on that.
i like you two, youre alright
you choose male or female and your clan, just like the first game. this is well known information you can easily find on their site, but you don't want to know the truth do you? you're just here to set up the petty hate machine that is nu-/v/
>you choose male or female
impossible in the current year
>Just like
Nah it's not frick you trannoid
>just like the first game
Ok so you're saying that there are 14 completely unique models you can name yourself, have unique animations and sometimes drastically change the game experience?
>sometimes drastically change the game experience?
One of the defender copes for the smaller number of clans was that the original played too similar
Yet, from what we have seen in that demo Brujah apparently have Auspex? So besides the gimped customization they clans will play identically too?
I never used Auspex tbh
It's pretty op in the tts, but fairly useless i the game
Then I wonder what Auspex does
It also wouldn't make much sense. Kindred don't have inherent abilities like that. Auspex and Animalism is how they get them
Do they have auspex or is it just vampire senses being a dumb "detective mode" glow thing and auspex would be on top of that?
Nevermind they outright say you just outright get auspex from being an elder which I don't like. It feels so weird that they simultaneously want you to be de-powered, but still get all these crazy powers. Am I an elder or not?
I mean, i get it
You got depowered, but you still instinctively know how to use your disciplines.
Paradox must lose the IP if we want a proper VtM game cause these devs are just following whatever paradox tells them to do
You chose some cosmetic shit like skin color and da pronouns but character model is the same and you cannot change it. Basically you are playing as le non binary reddit vampire and you can just chose what you "identify" as.
They're androgynous so devs have a universal model and dont have to focus on making a charecter creator or modeling for different outfits, and so they only need the one voice actor. You can change pronouns but it doesn't actually make a difference.
Nope, every time they've showed Phyre, it's with the subtitle Fem Phyre
There's a male model, but they haven't shown it for whatever reason.
please do show me the "fem phyre". all i saw is just "phyre".
first post and it's already about race holy shit have a nice day
with a disgusting Slav accent
WTF
Never liked the first game.
Deus Ex mogs it and it came out 5 years earlier.
Deus Ex is the best gamer ever it mogs everything
There isn't a single game that Deus Ex doesn't mog so your statement is kinda irrelevant.
It's more over than I expected it to be possibly over. What the frick man.
>another Dishonered clone
yeah its over
the slow-mo punches were unironically hilarious, too bad Bloodlines 2 will fricking suck. Does BL2 even take place in Seattle still or did that get cut with the old devs?
It's been over. Continues to be confirmed over.
Last I remember, BL2 is still in Seattle, but the plot has been revamped into being about a protag and his tulpa.
Trash
No one is replying to this thread because that's how bad the game looks. It's so bad its not enough interesting enough to shit on. It's just bad. I don't think anyone even expects it to actually get released. I think most of us just instinctively expect Paradox to axe development again and give it to an even less skilled developer for another 4 years of wasted money before that developer shows footage of their version of VtMB2 with a protagonist with a broccoli cut that is a 500 year old elder vampire named DraK Hula.
I'm not replying because it's probably gonna change hands again and therefore this is pointless
>DraK Hula
>they/them
>DraK Hula
KINO
Rudibros, is it our turn?
>Protag is a brown woman with an Indian accent.
Very.
Clan used in gameplay?
>brown
homie you blind?
I wouldn't call her black.
Or did you think OP's pic is the protagonist?
Watch the video, homie.
I did, MC is pale as frick, even for a vampire
they say its brujah
I'm not sure even the Christina Hendricks vampire can salvage any of this
She doesn't look like Christina Hendricks anymore. Still has the breasts, though.
Looks fun to me
No one is explaining why it is bad. Looks far better than the original
>feeding is now just part of a takedown animation
>voice in your head wont shut up with exposition vomit
Why are they even bothering?
>voice in your head wont shut up with exposition vomit
Zoomers literally can't play without someone telling them what to do. Just like the streamers they watch constantly talking.
This is the first time we've seen gameplay footage and the trailer has been out for 6 hours yet I've only seen one thread about it in the archives which died after like 10 replies, it really is unironically over isn't it?
The first one sold like shit and no one cared. Not sure why you'd expect otherwise.
The original VTMB is a cult classic, you can still regularly see threads for it even after all this time
Okay and did that translate financially?
>translate financially
dunno, don't speek Hebrew
Why do you expect this to raise interest? It's a niche game.
Considering they're making a sequel for it (which is like the third time they're restarting the project) I'd say that yes it did, don't know what point you're trying to make here
There was a previous thread that hit the bump limit but I missed most of it at work and wanted to have another one
It was over for a whole long time
I'm so sad, bros. I just wanted an RPG, at this point I do not care anymore, no one who played VtMB cares, kill this fricking project for good
It's your own fault for thinking anything good could be made today.
Now that the games are redeemable shit can we finally admit world of darkness is absolute garbage? It was only ever good because vampire bloodlines was good.
We've known that since forever bro
If they're redeemable perhaps we shouldn't speak too soon? YOU MOTHER FRICKING DICK SUCKING AMERICAN moron??
>Chink room
>nu-WoD
It was over before it even started.
>MFW a shitskin talks to me
Man he looks terrible, nice.
Hope other Nossies look just as bad if not worse.
What's this from
the gameplay
OP linked the trailer version, there's also a "deep dive" on youtube thats half an hour long
>scram is used as an attack
Women or men pretending to be women made this game.
Looked it up
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Abombwe
Roar discipline from an african Nosferatu bloodline
Wow so a nozzy Black person in order to make him ugly he turns white. Fricking racists cucks man god damn basedboys READ THE LORE.
Look up the devs. They're actually pretty normal, mostly male, zero trannies, and like 1 asian female.
who the frick is talking in her head, is she malkavian?
johnny silverhand
Did you just assume her clan?
Shes a filthy blood mage. They can speak with their sires and childe with telepathy the pyramid and shit
She's got another vampire inside her head
It can happen during diablerie
Allergy someone tried to eat her in her sleep and she instead ate them, but there was some sort of ritual where someone was trying to steal her people.
It's convoluted.
>people
power*
MC is a powerful Elder who just got out of torpor (who conveniently lost all her powers) so she needs a quippy neonate headmate to dump modern lore on her.
Also, the player needs a Johnny Silverhand who will tell him what to feel about what's happening on-screen.
>MC is a powerful Elder
Why not just make up an Antediluvian?
an antediluvian waking up would be a world-changing event with permanent consequences (see all of the shit that went down when the ravnos antediluvian woke up and we had to have 5+ different parts of the wod ip involved in taking him down)
that'sthejoke.jpg
sorry im unironically autistic
Why not get this why not play as caine but you dont know your caine anymore because get this caine is sleeping and you just jumped into some random vamps body to see if the world was still shit. 10/10 writing right?
>10/10 writing right?
No. 11/10
There's a BIG difference between an Elder and an Ante
An elder is just an old vampire, theres pussy elders, strong elders, elders that mightve been a big deal before and are calm now, etc.
An antediluvian is a near god like being
inside you there's 2 vampires
one is a homosexual
the other is a homosexual
you're a homosexual (they)
>Killing a shit load of ghouls like its nothing
Wouldn't this give you a low humanity of like 6 max not very cammy right
We don't have context on what they're doing, could be justified morally
Straight up killing and draining a bunch of ghouls is pretty evil like its literally feeding the beast to its fullest the only thing worse would be like raping and doing degenerate shit to them before killing them. This is sabat shit not the cam, your humanity would be so fricked from doing this you'd have an aura if you pulled this shit more than once
Why is killing ghouls especially bad for your humanity?
It's not specifically that they are ghouls, it's that they are humans. I don't agree with that other anon we don't get the context for why you are after this guy so there could be a good enough reason to justify killing his guards, but basically ghouls are for the most part, victims. Yeah there's some that aren't, but most are basically tricked into getting addicted to vampire blood and serving as thralls, there isn't really a difference between killing them and killing random drug addicts. Sure if they are hunting you down that's self defense, but if you break into their warehouse and kill them all, you need a damn good reason. Maybe we missed a scene that clarified they were all child murderers or something.
Well I guess it's established that they are "bad guys" so it's ok or something.
In a lot of missions in VTM:B you could just kill anyone who was in a gang iirc. It's been a while since i played, but i think only a few missions like the museum security guards you weren't supposed to kill? Plus of course any randomass street NPCs. It's a bit of a shame and a bit simplified but It's not the first time this has happened. One thing I like about WoD/CoD stuff is the "morality" systems, pretty much all of the splats I've read had one or more morality systems and the idea wasn't that there was an objective right or wrong, but that you need something to steer you, to guide you and living by that is important. Usually with supernatural consequences because you are some monster or whatever. But like, the Sabbat don't just get to ignore "humanity" they use a completely different moral code to avoid the beast.
It's ok, they're all mind illusions :^)
Even the first gameplay videos looked like shit. I don't understand why people act surprised.
i had no hope and i'm still disappointed. after all these years, that's what they want to sell the game with? fighting some braindead goons with janky animations in a dark warehouse, followed by a linear dialogue sequence? actually just sad, makes you wonder why they even cancelled the first attempt.
It's like they're trying to capture the jankiness of the original combat sections, but somehow overcomplicate even that. No new vision, just storytelling. A point-and-click with tacked-on gameplay. Even the character glitching through geometry would have made this infinitely more entertaining. The more I think about the wasted effort, the more sad I become.
>A point-and-click
You don't even understand what that means.
I should play the first one
Hey I was there! This is my photo of the cosplayer, he was TOing JoJo ASBR
>he was TOing JoJo ASBR
And a fliggity fliggidy to you too
fat people are disgusting
It never even began.
is there actually no male player character?
I'm 60% sure its the same model but with a different voice, thats why its so androgynous
There is a male model, they've just used the female one on everything for some reason
oh thank god, I was not digging ethnically ambiguous girlboss phyre
I guarantee they’re going to look really similar, they might change the voice actor but the face and general look is mostly going to be the same
There is A male model? Is he going to be a similarly androgynous monstrosity like the female model?
We don't know.
We know he exists since every time they showed Phyre it's been pointed to as Fem Phyre, but he hasn't been shown besides MAYBE that one scene back in the reveal of a bearded guy in a coffin.
There has been NO male model shown, all we got was a piece of concept art with a bunch of different potential designs, some of which were male, but literally everything from the actual game they have shown, or from the actual promotional material, has only had the female model. I don't believe there is a male model until they show it.
Genuinely, there are no RPG developers left.
Narrative RPGs are cursed. Is good writing that unprofitable that you gotta turn Mitsoda's Bloodlines 2 into a shitty Dishonored?
It's made by The Chinese Room devs. All they do is walking simulators. They made Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs that everyone hated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chinese_Room
They're a studio that specializes in "narrative RPGs". So it's safe to assume that Bloodlines 2 will be little more than endless cutscenes with some combat during missions. LITERAL ROLE-PLAYING is likely to be nonexistent.
But WHY was Mitsoda fired?
Alex did it
>awkward voice acting
>no character customization or alternate characters you’re stuck with Fyre
>Fyre and Fabian never shut up and keep pointing out the obvious
>janky and stiff animations
>Fallout 4 dialogue
It truly is ogre
Also
>4 clans with an additional 2 being DLC
Brujah Banu Haqim Tremere and Ventrue is literally just
>Combat stealth magic social
the game will be dishonored with vampires
Since bloodlines still appears as a (broken) classic, a sequel or remake to take a shit on the name is still a priority. Don't worry if this fails, it will be contaminated eventually.
Jesus fricking christ you guys actually had ANY hopes for this? After the shitshow the VTM tabletop system became, all the shitty vampire games and after it became clear no one who made the original game would be involved?
Are you guys actually mentally challenged? Or am I actually sharing a board with normalgays who just wait for the next product they can be hyped about?
Yeah, i fell for hopecope. What can i say, i loved the original game and filled in the blanks on where obvious turds of modernity would later be planted.
People "hyped" for this type of product usually didn't play the original product. They just read about it or watch some youtuber saying how great it was. This is why, once the sequel is released, you can read a lot of "I wish they remake the first game like this".
>became clear no one who made the original game would be involved?
The game was bad when the people who made the original were involved too
it feels nice to have hope 🙂
Meds
I'm not playing as a homosexual named 'phyre' What landwhale waste of oxygen came up with that horseshit?
it was completely over long before now and everyone knew it
This probably won't be good, but it also probably won't be as bad as Ganker will make it out to be.
All those "MUH TORTANIC XD" memes ruined this board. No one comes here to discuss video games anymore. Instead you're only here to root for games to fail so that you can makes memes about them.
You're just mad because you don't have another hype bandwagon to jump onto, huh?
You literally just proved that post right.
This
Hell, not even TORtanic failed, it's made a profit of a few hundred million by now
bro we were given 60 seconds of game play and told to pre-order and we've seen another 30 seconds of gameplay. If they had any pride or knew this would sell they would not be scared for showing 20mins of gameplay already. Instead they are gonna pay shills to hype the game and last second pull all review keys as always, and claim the next patch will fix the game. Which wont come out for 8 months till or the next share holders meeting wtv is first.
over 10 minutes of gameplay, actually. you'd know if you took the effort to look it up.
For frick sakes OP YOU HAD ONE JOB YOU Black person. I had no idea NO ONE POSTED THIS ITT.
it's like 8 minutes of punching bald dudes with shitty animations wtf, did they look at the sewers in the first one and thought, "yeah this is what people liked about the game"?
>gameplay overview
>wtf why they showing gameplay?
YEah but I mean its better than just the clip op posted and the other 30 seconds we got a few months ago. AT LEAST WERE SEEING THE FRICKING GAME FINALLY. Hopefully this is just the start of the game because every fricking game needs to teach you how to play because console Black folk and zoomers are moronic plus dont forget the game jurno fricks. I'm amazed they posted this at all tbh.
i wonder WHY they even released it. look at the framerate (at least in the beginning, didn't pay much attention to it later)
Why is the ugly b***h always shown in dialogue??? I want first person not this crap
To show off the mocap performance duh. The mocap actor has to collect their paycheck.
Also NPCs don't look at you in these dialogue things, they look at your character. I don't like that, I liked the elder scrolls or VTM:B style look you in the eyes. It was a major element missing from a lot of the scenes in LA Noir, watching how the characters meet the detective's gaze isn't the same as watching them meet yours/the cameras.
>they are gonna pay shills to hype the game
You are beyond delusional if you think anyone would waste their money paying viral marketers to post on THIS shithole.
On twitch and youtube you fricking moron like they do with every game. They do not pay people to shill on Ganker. Its gamedevs seething and damage controlling they do it for free while on break during overtime.
>They do not pay people to shill on Ganker
Why not? Ganker is considered a major influential social media site nowadays. If they have a budget for social media marketing they'd be stupid not to tell the shills to make some threads on Ganker as well.
Well as I said the gamedevs will do it for free screeching at Ganker for slaughtering them so badly and shattering their ego.
I mean its clearly some janky as frick alpha at least I hope so.... you never know anymore in this day and age. Everyone seen what 76 and cyberpunk pulled. Plus all the early access games on steam.
>We can release the game in an alpha state and patch it over a year so its in what would be a beta state not even a fricking play tester beta state. People will buy it and spend 200$+ on dlc and micro no problem.
>Ganker is considered a major influential social media site nowadays.
BY FRICKING NO ONE
>They do not pay people to shill on Ganker
Wasn't a Last of Us 2 dev caught shilling here?
I really fricking doubt it unless they got mad enough at the negative press to come here and play defense force, and that's not "shilling" as much as it is getting buttmad.
I know for a fact people from WB montreal and ubisoft shill and seeth on Ganker at their officer because I've literally heard people on break say this while smoking/walking my dog/at the cafe
>t. french canadian
I hate you already
I hate you to sanji/Chang. Alberta and Quebec are teaming up to win the election and are gonna gang rape you filthy Canadians for allowing that cuck to ruin the nation for so long and importing in millions of subhumans crashing the market and uping housing so much.
>I hate you to sanji/Chang
You're cool confusion me with your countrymen
>Alberta and Quebec are teaming up to win the election and are gonna gang rape you filthy Canadians for allowing that cuck to ruin the nation for so long and importing in millions of subhumans crashing the market and uping housing so much.
Isn't he a literal French Canadian, son (maybe) of the most famous French Canadian? How is he not your fault?
>How is he not your fault?
We didn't vote for either of them. And they're both the most hated Quebecois in history.
It appears you're right
Your country is gay and failed, regardless
Also, Jesus, people complaining about the two party system here. Imagine getting ruled by a c**t that one got voted by a third of the population
Yeah its pretty brutal also add in it was the lowest voter turn out rate in history because people thought it was impossible I think it was something brutal like 52* voted
I've said many times and I'll say it again
Universal citizenship is the greatest mistake in civilization
ITs even better when we "found" out last year how much China India and Russia literally rig'd and messed with the last two elections. And how out CIA&NSA was freaking out about the government being corrupt as frick allowing spies to do anything including stealing nonstop and you know frick the people over trying to elect a government while also making housing impossible because the Chinese and companies buying up everything raising prices to insane levels Canadians can hardly rent. But subhumans can move here get 2k a month and 20 of them family live in a 2-3bdrm and bring in even more family to get welfare abuse foodbanks showing up with a bunch of children not theirs and going to 3-10 food banks a week and throw out all the food they dont like on the street or sell the food. All while getting social housing or cheap rent. Oh and all the ghettos created oh also all the cases of TB and parasites an random viruses you know all the fun stuff that comes with third worlders who refuse to be clean. Like touching all the food during covid and then putting it down while sick an coughing everywhere so that their nieightborhoods are the worst int he city by 2x 3x or even 4x infection rates and they're the reason why covid lasted so long.
BUT YES reminder to check out the /tg/ thread you can download every WoD book and read anything you want about VTM tens of thousands of pages of lore'n'shit to read so much cool shit you should check it out Ganker the mega is great. Also a lot of cool novels too and theirs even books on cities your city might have its own lore book! Mine does its the most important sabat city in the world for vampire lore&education!
Fidel Castro is not the most famous French Canadian you Black person
>I really fricking doubt it unless they got mad enough at the negative press to come here and play defense force
I think it was that, but done before the release, which counts as shilling
Do you actually believe a dev would even come here? It's not the 2000s. Ganker hasn't had ANY influence on ANYTHING in a decade. This is a zombie website that only exists at all because it's become a refuge for people banned from reddit.
>Ganker hasn't had ANY influence on ANYTHING in a decade.
Did it ever had before? People whine about election tourists but everytime someone talks about Ganker having relevance it's the 2016 election and maybe Shia's flag
>You are beyond delusional if you think anyone would waste their money paying viral marketers to post on THIS shithole.
Then why does the catalogue is full of marketing most of the time?
>"ANYTHING THAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT A GAME THAT ISN'T MEMES ABOUT IT FLOPPING IS MARKETING"
You are literally mentally ill.
Who are you quoting?
Where does tourist cancer and other trash get the gall to post such brave lies and misinformation under unearned delusions of superiority. When they're wrong every time and just get shit on by their betters, ie. anons?
The video game industry is worth more than the movie industry and literature industry combined. You are a fool.
They didn't get that way by wasting their money on viral marketing on a website no one uses.
You're either a literal moron or a shill; which is it?
V is bigger than resetera and has way more active users constantly, stop damage controlling homosexual
>claim the next patch will fix the game
This isn't the type of game where bugs will be the problem. This game's problem is that it's just going to be aggressively mediocre and not fun. Patches won't fix that.
I’m mad because I’m disappointed
>Fallout 4 dialogue wheel with the vague as frick options
>Only 4 clans at launch
>Sidekick and MC who never shut up and point out the obvious
>no character customization
Are all the real sticklers for me, I could forgive everything else
>Sidekick and MC who never shut up and point out the obvious
the moment cyberpunk pulled that with keanu reeves i was like "if this game makes any kind of waves in the industry every other western video game writer is going to try this same shit dynamic, just you wait and see"
Yeah, they CLEARLY copies Cyberpunk.
Arkham Knight did it almost 10 years ago.
>All those "MUH TORTANIC XD" memes ruined this board.
Honestly it's not even that. There's a mentally ill schizo here that desperately wants to talk and rage endlessly about "woke" and trannies. They also like to focus on "disappointment" about this game, and feign shock and disgust. I think it's the Rudi poster. As you can tell, he's usually in all threads. And he's probably at least 30% of this thread, constantly pretending to be multiple people that are all "losing hope" or some shit.
That's my theory anyway. I also suspect he does this with other things. Like I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same person that was desperately trying to force anti-woke outrage and negativity over BG3, a la gay bear sex and the white male fighter protag being boring statement. Then he got BTFO by the games organic popularity.
Mind you, I'm very anti-woke myself. But I fricking love vampires and goth aesthetics. And I want the WoD IP to succeed and produce more stuff. I even played and loved their text CYOA games. I'm a person that would totally like to discuss this game here, but I can't because every thread is spammed to hell with the same tired outrage bait memes. And again, I think it's mostly the work of a very small number of bad actors.
Shit sucks.
If anything, what ruined Ganker is the creation of these individual boogeymen, who usually have conveniently doxed themselves as gays and/or third-worlders and are usually responsible for all dissenting opinions I don't like
Dude, this crap had very publicized problems. To think this won't be an unmitigated disaster is just deluding yourself. They've either kicked out or refused anyone with an ounce of talent. Best hope is that it will be just very mediocre and forgotten in 3 days.
>people can't possibly be disappointed because they liked the original and wanted a proper sequel and this looks like total shit so far
>no, it's all the work of a single schizo who hates trans-folx!
Utterly delusional.
I shouldn't be giving you a (you) but here you go.
I myself expect to be disappointed by this game. But everything that can be said has been said 100s of times now. You don't need to spam or pretend to be multiple people. "It looks like shit!" Yeah, we've known it looked jank since before the Chinese Room got it. The Hardsuit ingame reveals were already a disaster and that was years ago.
At this point it's going to come out. It will probably be a huge disappointment. So what? It either has something still in there for vampire superfans or it will be totally unsalvageable. Either good enough to garner more vampire games or push the IP into torpor for another 20 years. Excuse me if I don't hope for the latter.
Nta but
>But everything that can be said has been said 100s of times now
Then why would you still come to these threads?
>You don't need to spam or pretend to be multiple people
What?
> good enough to garner more vampire games
Would you rather have shit games made on the same model rather no games? Because I'd much prefer the former
>This probably won't be good, but it also probably won't be as bad as Ganker will make it out to be.
I don't normally go with Ganker and all the doomposting over the most stupid fricking shit, but this is one of the times where I agree 100%. This game looks horrible. In almost every single aspect. From animations, combat, graphics and dialogue. Nothing they have shown us is even remotely something to be excited about. The game just looks really bad. Yeah, the original had a ton of problems, but even just looking at screen shots of the game when I first heard about it, years ago gave me some sort of interest.
Everything this game has shown has been nothing but dog shit combat and terrible decision making when it comes to being an """rpg""". Chinese room seem to be so petrified about showing anything else that they know they cant live up to the original so they have to constantly show the gameplay that was """""improved"""" on the original build of BL2 when everything else feels and looks objectively worse. Paradox are the dumbest fricking people to be given the IP. The only reason chinese box got the game was because they can shit out a cheap game to hopefully get even a 10th of what they spent on the game back.
Yes i'm mad.
>the gameplay that was """""improved"""" on the original build of BL2 when everything else feels and looks objectively worse
Watch the leaked combat from the first version of the game. It was even worse than what's in this trailer.
This is UE5 right? can you not just slap in some basic character creation system. Surely in 2024 you dont need to create this shit anyone since almost every game has right?
Isn't that metahuman shit already fully included by default? They are probably just incompetent to actually use it or they want to force everyone to paly as their snowflake self-insert.
Doesn't matter anyway, even if chara creation was there the writing and animations are still cringe.
It looks like a b-tier adventure game not an actual RPG.
Man I'd somewhat at least understand it on a basic level if they did extensive mocap, lip sync, etc so they had to limit it to one character.... but it all just looks like utter shit and jank.
I don't understand this world any more. I have to admit that the most plausible answer is indeed competency crisis.
>pre-made character (allegedly)
>voiced protagonist
>fallout 4 dialogue wheel
>johnny silverhand 2
>exp for killing enemies which incentivizes combat over other approaches
>brujah using telekinesis
>>pre-made character (allegedly)
This was confirmed like a year ago.
WHY DOES EVERYONE ON Ganker HAVE SUCH STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS GAME WHEN NOT A SINGLE FRICKING ONE OF YOU EVEN KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT?
So how much are they paying you to shill this shitty game? we've known its a dumpster since they fired the writers 2 years ago.
You are insane if you think viral marketing on forums is still a thing. They'd just pay a youtuber to do that.
What's to know about a nothing of a project staffed by a bunch of nobodies who are going to deliver an awful product. Everyone with a half a brain has understood that for a few years now.
Up until this thread I had thought it was a Cyberpunk deal where the character is named and voiced but you could customize their looks.
to be fair this game has gone through some horrendous dev hell.
the original game was completely scrapped and is being remade.
This honestly looks bad
I hope this kill Paradox, especially now that the Industry is hurting all around.
I don't get it. They cancelled the first one because it looked like complete trash, spent years and i'm sure a decent amount of money to re-make the game, and it still looks like complete trash.
it's even worse imo
Looks better than it did years ago when first shown. Still looks bad though.
Is the new Lou improved or downgraded from Hardsuit's old design?
This is massive fricking downgrade
what the frick??
if you prefer that one to the new one in the OP then you are a homosexual.
Here's new Lou
Went from being a milf to just being a boring old woman looking, breasts still look fine but still...
Come on, man.
Looks the same. New one has better skin and the lighting is different.
I don't think even she can save the game at this point
the old was shit too.
Looks like a literal hag now
What was her name again?
/v/v/
I like Malkavian insight.
>tfw you will never have a vampire sugar momma give you the vitae breastmilk after a near death experience of saving her from a horde of hunters while she was staked
Pain
Agony Even
Some would refer to this feeling as suffering.
>Vampire
>Vamphyre
>Phyre
lol
Why do they look different?
extension uses it's own css, probably
>forced to play a short haired androgynous something with only 4 clan options, none of which include Nosferatu or Malkavian
So what's the point? This is an incredibly lame budget version of the original that doesn't come close to doing the cool shit we'd expect a Vtmb sequel to do.
>majority of "development-hell" games have been shit
>cut content
>game barely resembles the original
>they know fans to the original will call it out for the shit it is
>they know it wont attract enough new "fans" because zoomers aren't into vampires and twilight anymore
>still go through with it
what kind of sunk-cost fallacy logic are they even attempting to apply here?
I really don't understand it, but I guess maybe they're banking on Wodgays who will buy and defend anything, plus hopefully trying to capture longterm sales from the kind of gays who will try and play any of those cheap storyslop titles you'd find on any digital marketplace. They'd also make something from the name alone.
>banking on Wodgays
WoD died with their homosexualy 5th edition
It literally killed White Wolf too
WoD literally died 20 years ago as in this is canon. Ghenna happened in 2004 the vamps died, god was pissed. Mages are fricked thanks to the ~~*technocratic union*~~ and the werewolves
>lmao
>werewolves
>furries mattering
I liked V20
Eh its yeah its very mixed bag some good some bad. I think a shit load of humanity should have had their eyes open to vampires, especially after that shit in the middle east causing global problems. Aint no way in fricking hell the tech could have hid that shit from humanity.
With how fast tech was becoming too vampires would be fricked. Don't get me started on how stupid the blood technomancy shit is.
Yeah, I don't really care for Mage.
>especially after that shit in the middle east causing global problems
What shit? Ur-Shulgi? That was in Revised
V20 was pretty good, just a general compilation with a cool metaplot agnostic take
Though it would retroactively plant the seeds of V5, BJD had a lot of neat hooks and ideas
If anything, technology has made cover-ups a lot easier. It's something the original setting got wrong, it acted like info tech would be the Masquerade's doom, but instead it's its savior.
You forget about everyone else in WoD. Everyone would love to see the leeches dead, literally everyone. Also the "NAS" and neo-christcucks gaining power means mass vamp purging. Yeah it would totally be the timeline of thinbloods and the young gens, Elders would be fricked.
>You forget about everyone else in WoD. Everyone would love to see the leeches dead, literally everyone.
We both know WoD was horribly inconsistent about crossover and the weakest part of the game was how nobody bothered to try and make them fit coherently together.
That why tech becoming so powerful can connect everything together its the start of a new age.
I'm not really sure what you mean.
Anyway forcing people to do cross-splat is an awful idea, frankly unless they remade the setting from the ground up I'd much rather keep most of them in their respective lanes. I don't want Mage shit infecting the games I actually like, thank you very much.
>shit
cringe mages are based. But yeah isn't this what they're doing with V5 or thats what it feels like once mage comes out. I feels like they're gonna start trying to do cross splat and flesh out the world more
Nah, the "Second Inquisition is a technocracy front" thing is 100% fan cope.
It took them several years to put out another splat after V5, which was H5. It has nothing to do with the old Hunter: the Reckoning, and was a barebones book with two example monsters. One of which is a vampire but doesn't even use V5 vampire rules.
And Werewolf 5th came out pretty recently, and again 0 cross-splat. In fact most of the grade A Wyrm shit and Pentex was toned down or removed. So I wouldn't bet on them trying to remake a coherent WoD cosmology.
Also neither Mage5 or a Wraith5 have been even teased yet, 5th edition paradox WoD moves at a glacial pace.
Wait I thought mage v5 has been teased. Man wait why the frick would they not finally fuse everything together for V5. I forgot werewolf came out a few months ago. How furry homosexual erotic is it? Or better yet how dumb down is it. I take it just unga bunga beat stuff up nature good tech bad now if they gutted so much of its lore.
W5 was absolutely anemic. They removed all the weird furry sex stuff, toned down the eldritch horror, and doubled down on the "dude climate lmao" stuff.
The biggest fiasco was that the Get of Fenris are now non-playable and evil because they're still acting like WtA werewolves (ie: overzealous violent shitheads) while everyone else is being a sadboi and trying to "improve their corner of the world", which is in line to the head WoD5 dev's "street level" focus for the edition. W5 development was very troubled, with several people being fired from its production. One of them aired out the dirty laundry and mentioned a Paradox rep, a Swedish convert to Islam, tried to claim that "The Get of Fenris are all nazis and should not be playable", and got mad when he was shown evidence from older editions to the contrary.
I've only skimmed a tiny bit of vtmV5 JFC I dont even want to know what paradox is even doing. Why the frick is sweden allowed to touch WoD better yet why is paradox not bankrupt yet?
>why is paradox not bankrupt yet?
Because 4x games print money because they cost fricking nothing to make and sell like hotcakes to autists.
paradox should make a grand strategy VtM game, in all honesty...
Vampire flavoured CK3 sounds pretty rad.
There's a CK3 mod that's WoD-ified, even has some paradox employees working with the modmakers.
Not my personal cup of tea but you should try it.
Paradox bought the entire White Wolf / World of Darkness line from CCP. It was a fairly major investment for them.
Presumably they thought it was an underused potential (I agree) that could be farmed. If you own all the IP you own a cut of all inspirations and merch.
Step 1: release a flagship gayme
Step 2: the popularity of 1 allows lesser games.
This is where everything went to shit. They've clearly stalled out on 1 and allowed some of 2 with disappointing results because no flagship is popularizing the IP for indie studios to spend money on a licensing fee.
who the frick wants to play as an androgynous mulatto
>No customization
>Voiced protagonist
>Yet another "voice in your head" character
>4 dialog choices - Yes, No but Yes, Yes(Sarcastic), More info (then Yes)
That's all I needed to see to know it's going to be trash.
Looks like that chick from Life is Strange.
>this entire thread
ALMOST EVERY GAMEPLAY, STORY, OR CHARACTER ELEMENT SHOWN IN THIS TRAILER HAS BEEN REVEALED OVER THE LAST YEAR.
And yet you homosexuals act like ANY of this is new information.
Just confirms that Ganker wants to meme about games they literally know nothing about.
And? I've known about all of it as well, but you can't expect every gay on this site to have also known it. Is this some kind roundabout way of trying to invalidate people's complaints about the game?
>that combat
I genuinely haven't laughed that hard in a long time
Where did this "voice in the protagonist's head" meme come from? Was Cyberpunk really the originator of this? Of all the games to copy, why copy one of the most divisive AAA games that came out in the last 10 years?
Halo did it with Cortana
Cool when it was actually cool, but that originated in Marathon.
Fair but you also didn't have Durandahl speaking to you; you read what he said in terminals. I could be splitting hairs here, I'll let you decide.
Being able to talk to NPCs about shit that's happening in-game is a good thing, it increases immersion by giving more life to them and letting the player RP the main character's thought process.
But tying conversations to specific NPCs makes those conversations missable so some idiot came up with the idea that the MC should be having conversations with himself, that way you'll never miss them and they can take place on the go.
Only talking to the same single "character" every time means other NPCs won't be fleshed out, plus if it writers aren't good enough, it quickly starts to feel like you're being told what you should be thinking about the game, which is the opposite of immersion.
Larian did in in 2009 with Divinity 2 ego draconis
But the voice in the protagonists head has been a thing for a long time in many different mediums
What the frick is wrong with videogames nodaways
it would probably help if they didn't call this Bloodlines 2 and just treated it like it's own game
I don't care if the graphics suck. Hell, the combat sucked in 1 and people still loved it. But they can't just write something half decent anymore. Why?
With every new VtM game that releases it feels more and more cringe to be a VtM fan
You should've been there in the early 2000s
By then VtM was just too nerdy for the drama kids it attracted and too goth and weepy for the usual TTS crowd
Garbage Bloodlines sequel, maybe a good Deus Ex/Dishonored game.
>video game related board
>thread about a video game
>people arguing about politics
shut the frick up nobody cares
welcome to Ganker - Politically Incorrect
In order to shut up the Paradox/CR shills, allow me to rapid-fire some reasons this game looks bad.
>No weapons or items at all, seemingly just fists
>Flowchart combat, the devs even admit to this one in the second half, try to paint it as a good thing
>Hits seems very weightless
>Combat feeding is a part of the combat loop, but Ventrue are a playable clan, how will their blood requirement be handled?
>Voice acting is technically proficient but very awkward and stilted. It sounds like they're talking past each other.
>No check or ability to notice the very obvious cellphone in the Nosferatu's hand, despite being an elder vampire with mandatory heightened senses
>"Puzzle boss" that is just a way to pad time and give you the current boss's motivation a couple minutes before he's killed
>4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
Did I miss any?
>4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
i guess i can forgive not including malks and nosferatu since they would have the most "unique" rp and gameplay experience, but how in the frick do you include banu fricking haqim while skipping over toreador and the fricking gangrel, two of the og and most iconic vamp clans?
dumb as hell imo
>>No weapons or items at all, seemingly just fists
You're moronic
combat, the devs even admit to this one in the second half, try to paint it as a good thing
How so?
>>Hits seems very weightless
True
feeding is a part of the combat loop, but Ventrue are a playable clan, how will their blood requirement be handled?
Simply don't feed
acting is technically proficient but very awkward and stilted. It sounds like they're talking past each other.
Yeah
>>No check or ability to notice the very obvious cellphone in the Nosferatu's hand, despite being an elder vampire with mandatory heightened senses
That would Auspex, no idea why they never use it.
>>"Puzzle boss" that is just a way to pad time and give you the current boss's motivation a couple minutes before he's killed
Idk what this is referring to, havent seen this part
>>4 Clans when the low budget rushed 2004 first game had 7
Original was extremely rushed and broken otherwise, hell, in true vanilla you couldn't reach Chinatown, making the game impossible to finish.
Where in the gameplay did they use a weapon other than their fists and disciplines?
They didn't, but that doesn't mean there aren't weapons.
For a fact? No. But it's a weird thing to have a full 15 minutes of gameplay and not showcase a single weapon, or even that you have it.
Same energy as them dodging in-depth customization questions by talking about what clothes you can wear. It's not certain, but it doesn't inspire confidence in me and I wouldn't put it past them to have not put in weapons at all.
There’s no inventory in the menu
Either they somehow haven’t implemented weapons yet or there won’t be weapons
how do they have the balls to claim this is an androgenous voice???
because they never did and you believe shitposting anons because you are an NPC
>floaty combat and bad animations
It's over
Why has Vampire, and White Wolf in general, seem to be trying so hard to move away from the grungy 90's punk style and aesthetic that completely defined this setting before? Can you imagine the original Bloodlines without that grimy personality to all of its dialogue? How rooted it all was in west coast slum living? I don't get what's supposed to interest me here.
Corpos and their wannabe artist swedish LARPer toadies that want to remake it in their image.
Because the creators went from living on that environment to now actually having money.
And any new hires are coming from a healthy white family with a college background and are overpaid, underskilled white morons with no idea how that underworld actually looks like or underskilled, overpaid diversity token hires.
They literally do not know that environment anymore despite the west coast being ripe with shithole streets filled to the brim with tents, drug addicts and Nosferatu looking mother frickers.
And they are content with keeping it that way because they just care about money now, but cannot replicate the earlier success so they keep trying to do a half assed attempt at it.
that looks so much worse than what I even dared imagine.
They somehow made something that looked passable but riddled with issues that needed work into the most generic, gay fricking bullshit possible.
This shit is dead
let me guess
character creating is nazi behavior?
Im going to need more info about the events in your pic. It sounds hilarious.
>modern day setting for vampires
Dogshit. Shite Wolf is a shit and uncreative company. Kill youselves. Also, leftoids will never belong here. Go back.
>modern day setting for vampires
But that was the original conceit of the game? 'Modern Day' was just the 90s back then.
I know. It was shit back then too. Shite Wolf has never made a good rpg
moron
If that's your opinion, ok. But why are you even here then? Bloodlines 1 also relied on the "modern day vampire" conceit.
Because it deserves to be called out.
It sounds more like you're complaining to complain. Setting is not and never has been an issue.
Now I'm academically curious as to what your problem with vampires in the modern day is.
Gameplay looks passable, but what were they thinking with the voiced protag? This is worse than fallout 4.
One of the best things about the original was the dialogue.
Someone please webm that moronic Vampire punch combo. i can be great shitpost material
I see Andrei's been getting into video game development
homie rightfully called the MC out for being a cheating bastard and got put down. Pour blood out for him.
I thougth this game was based on santa Monica, not NYC
Is there no inventory in this game? There’s only outfits. Are there no skills either, there’s no menu option for your character it’s just their “ability tree” is this like AssCreed now
There has to be an inventory come on they're not that fricking moronic.
You understimate the power of the modern western dev.
I didn’t see an inventory in the menu though
IIRC the original build had no proper inventory for the weapons and you only could use what showed up in the world.
They might be somehow still use that on this version, ut surely theyre not that moronic, right?
Man I need to just give up and hit the copium pipe so everything makes me happy in life and I gladly waste my money on everything no wustion asked no thoughts needed.
>scrap the original version because it was a mess
>actually were reusing that version just making it worse
>...but it looks slightly better tho!
I HATE WESTERN DEVELOPERS
Game is shit, let's lighten the mood
If you had to chose another TTRPG for an adaption, what would it be?
shadowrun in the BG3 engine
Shadowrun with an actual budget would be nice.
pathfinder, but without the kingdom/army management
Cyberpunk actually done right
Ironclaw. The art style is furry shit but it's actually pretty cool to play as an animal and use anime abilities.
Exalted, but it's a Musou to better reflect how bullshit they get in comparison to regular human beings. It turns into a fighting game when they have to fight other Exalted.
Cyberpunk as an actual fricking rpg like what they promised, not a shitty movie game.
IM STILL fricking mad, frick cdpr.
Same bro, same.
I feel you, I feel you. And since the gaming audience if obssesed with redemption arcs we have to live with "woah CDPR fixed the game, I know it had a bad launch but it's actually really good now" frick me.
its all so depressing
Honestly, I never liked Cyberpunk 2020. I would like to see a new Shadowrun game though. Either another one from Harebrained Schemes, or one of these first person RPGs from someone else. But with the wireless matrix.
Exalted as a cinematic action game in the style of Asura's Wrath.
HöL
Call of Cthulhu
Pendragon. And it plays like a mix of M&B Warband and Kingdom Come Deliverance.
GURPS Horror - The Madness Dossier.
The Madness Dossier is a setting in which history has been corrupted, rewritten, distorted, by the good guys. All of humanity were slaves to the Annunaki in their eternal empire, until the year 535 AD, when rebelling humans convinced enough of humanity they did not deserve to be slaves, that reality itself altered to fit that perception. All of history prior to 535 AD is simultaneously false, yet also the physical truth. Now in the modern day, agents of the Annunaki have returned and seek to insert information about the secret history back into the mainstream consciousness, to have humanity remember their destiny as slaves and undo the reality shift. They might leave evidence of the true history at an archeological site, insert lyrics into a popular song, feed info to flat earth groups who might bring some of it into their beliefs etc. The primary conflict is for control of any objects, creatures or places from the original history, agents of mankind fighting to destroy or secure them, whilst agents of the Annunaki seek to exploit them or reveal them. If an army of snakemen emerged from an ancient tomb and attacked a city, that would probably start a lot of people questioning a lot of shit.
Delta Green, in the style of DE and with actual combat this time.
HE’S HIDING SOMETHING
I've been out of the loop since White Wolf (?) lost the rights to make Vampire the Masquerade shit because they went full woke and got shitcanned for it, so I had no idea they were making Bloodlines 2. Looks like shit though.
The entire story of the WoD IP and how it's ended up is bizarre fricking tale.
I just wish they would say frick it and put it in the public domain at this point, let people break it down for parts and use it for their own stuff.
It never even started
So… are you going to be able to persuade people or what? What they showed seemed really linear and led to an inevitable outcome
Yeah that's another concern of mine. I'm not confident that there are "right choices" you can make when socially engaging with another character.
Also, there was no prompt to use Presence, a discipline Brujah have in-clan, during the conversation. Bodes very ill, especially when both Ventrue and Tremere have Dominate.
Yeah, no way. During the extended gameplay the devs said that they were """roleplaying""" as brujah by picking the mean forceful options in dialogue. Not that being Brujah inherently gives you those forceful options, just that they were going to pick the forceful options of their own free will I guess. I guarantee you that every one of those 3 options (intimidate, persuade, whatever the third was) leads to the exact same outcome.
It feels like these devs have no idea what roleplaying means. They touted that a Banu Haqim would have played more stealthy and a Brujah would have fought it out with fists, but that's entirely up to the player. There's nothing incentivizing or disincentivizing certain playstyles based on the clan you pick. A Banu Haqim can theoretically do the fighting gameplay just as well as a Brujah, and a Brujah can theoretically sneak around just as well as a Banu Haqim. Shits stoopie.
How did they manage to make a version that's WORSE than the previous one? At least before the main issue seemed to be clunky gameplay. This is just diarrhea soup.
>devs biggest works were iffy walking simulators and the WORST game in the amnesia series
Why did Paradox even hand this off to Chinese Room? I know it isn't a gigantic franchise but it is well-known and they're certainly other devs who have more experience in RPGs that probably would have worked for the same price.
>bloodlines 2
Frick, why even call it bloodlines? Name it something else, VtM: the Phyre Rises and at least then nobody will complain that you're raping a series.
>least before the main issue seemed to be clunky gameplay
Didn't it have weapons breaking and shit? That seems like more than just clunky gameplay
i have beaten the game and i have no recollection of any weapon ever breaking. i didn't use firearms, though. perhaps they could jam?
I'm talking about Hardsuit's Bloodlines 2, not vtmb1
pardon. i read "clunky gameplay" and i immediately thought of vtmb1 and combat there lol.
>How did they manage to make a version that's WORSE than the previous one? At least before the main issue seemed
The sad part is you're lying. The Hardsuit version looked like shit and from what little we knew about it was going to be absolutely horse shit and probably unplayable.
You're defending the version of the game where guns were an ability, like Thaumaturgy.
So what exactly did hardsuit frick up that this was what paradox decided would be a better idea?
If you go look at their old gameplay previews this shit actually is a marked improvement, amazingly.
They straight up stopped working on the game.
They used Covid as an excuse to do nothing and collect paychecks for it, they had to send in a corpo hatchet man to figure out wtf was going on, and he came back with proof they hadn't made any progress since before the pandemic.
Which is funny because according to the leaked footage, they actually had a decent portion complete.
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what was going on. I think progress completely stalled because the company turned into a revolving door of codemonkeys and they fired all the writers after the writers had finished their job, so they didn't have to keep paying them.
Unless they fired all the female staff this is gonna be shit.
>This is most likely going to kill this franchise forever
Honestly? Good. Sometimes, dead is better.
Let WoD die and its ideas get reused by the next generation of Urban Fantasy.
let it, v20's still going strong on the storytellers vault, paradox dropping the ip means no more rudi and condor
Frick you it makes me laugh
lmao they have low framerates in the fricking trailer
I've lost track a bit. When was the concept of playing a thin-blooded shovelhead fresh off a mass embrace turn into playing a fricking ELDER?
When the game passed from Hardsuit to The Chinese Room.
Dollars to donuts you're actually still a thinblood originally and the voice in your head is an Elder you fricked up diablerizing. Most baby tier bait and switch I can think of.
The idea of playing a shit ass thinblood was dumb and gay. I'm not looking forward to depowered elder with some talkative moron I your head either but at the very least playing someone of rank has appeal to me.
no it was fresh and cool
The moment they realized that in lore even the most basic Auspex inspection can notice Diablerie, making their "Thinblood rises through the ranks" literally impossible
I don't actually hate the gameplay and set piece as shown in that trailer
battling a delusional nossie mind fricker in a mannequin factory is pretty rad
but the zoomer trend garbage (they/them protagonist, obnoxious voice in your head, FPS everything) is making this too hard a sell
it's just not bloodlines
My cope after the Thinblood -> Elder revision was that it'd hit that Redemption vibe at least, but it's clear at this point that that's an unhappy coincidence.
I still don't understand why Obsidian didn't get another shot at the IP.
Microsoft basically owns everyone that has ever touched VTMB.
i hope the devs get ass cancer and die
I will say that at least the previous horrible devs kept in non F4 unvoiced dialogue choices, which automatically makes it better, even though the actual writing was going to be shit.
It's like a much shittier Dishonored. The combat looks embarrassingly bad
It looks bad.
I'm not surprised since I heard about the bl1 devs getting kicked out for having too high standards, but I'm still sad.
>heard about the bl1 devs getting kicked out for having too high standards
What
homie, Mitsoda was working on the Thinblood premise, he had no standards.
I have 0 faith in the chinese room, but the dyke theymbie protag is a sign that they at least know their audience. Tumblrinas have always been the top consumers of vampire content
>1:08
>enemies slide across the floor instead of walkk
jesus christ
thats just uhhh a vampire power
I really hope Tremere doesn't suck ass. But this game inspires so very little hope.
It's over.
Choose
My simp yellow fever nature made me choose Mingy. And I paid the price for it. WTF Troika?
any news on if my wife is still in Bloodlines 2?
they made the vampire girl
look older
they cant refrain themselves
jeanette ALWAYS
>No rich girl generic NPC in the sexy dress, the one that always walks down the downtown alleyway making it an easy drink
Sad.
I'll claim Samantha and FemTrue.
Pisha ez
>yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no
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>yes, yes, yes, frick yes, nah (yes), yes, yes
>yes, yes (w/ obfuscate), yes, yes, yes, yes, yes (w/ antibiotics)
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>yes, yes (w/ obfuscate), yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
>yes (w/ antibiotics), yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
who decided to cancel the previous build for this?
It was always DOA. There's a very small number of studios in the entire industry with enough talent to make a sequel to Bloodlines. A bunch of gays that make walking sims aren't one of them.
I’m depressed bros, why is this franchise cursed?
Vampires are real and the Camarilla uses the IP to make people think vampires are just a nerdy myth, but also they keep it fringe and hated so people don't notice the similarities.
>women ruined vampires
>furries ruined werewolves
we exist to suffer
You never know, maybe one day you will get a worthy sequel.
Critical theorists
Idk, if you look at VtM it's a pretty healthy mix of meh and good. It's more like the franchise is owned by fricking Paradox. I refuse to believe that making a fun VtM is so difficult, most of the mechanics should translate fine to a videogame format. Frick, certainly easier than DnD or even CoC. Literally all you need is a few decent writers, if you want to keep it a small investment make it isometric and turn based and scratch the VAs.
CoC? corruption of champions?
coombrain, its call of cthulhu, anon
It isn't and baldurs gate success would've been incredible for the franchise if this shitheap wasn't already under development.
Would've shown there's a massive market for more rpg mechanics but this franchise just can't catch a break.
Paradox is forever keeping it dogshit.
Looks like dishonored, I've never played this series but is it supposed to be dishonored?
no
It's supposed to be like deus ex but with vampires.
It's beyond fricked.
it's been over for a while now
they are seethe vampires and they feed on my seething ...
Didn't you lose like 5 times already?
Not giving it views.
have a nice day, shill.
I still hate the art direction they went with the realistic route, not to say they should have gone a more cartoony route, VTMB 1 wasn't exactly trying to have a realistic look or too cartoony, maybe "stylized realism" is the best way to describe VTMB 1? the first game just had a unique art style and I wish this game had some resemblance of that
this is the most non threatening, neutral looking elder vampire in any media ever holy shit
APOLOGISE!
>1:07
>guy gets punched across the room, slides back near the player and is magically back on his feet
holy staged scripted gameplay lmao
SWAT style game where you hunt queer vampires
As someone who likes Hunters and has played Hunter on the tabletop.
Second Inquisition is cringe.
Why?
Several reasons. Firstly, they're kind of an asspull in the first place. In order to come to pass, all the big boy hunter organizations had to come together and meet without vampires catching wind of it. They then, despite the incredible paranoia dealing with creatures famous for subverting institutions and having mind control would create, they managed to share enough intel, resources, and cooperate, again without vampires knowing. This problem is exacerbated by the fact the majority of SI are glowies, who have a reputation for corruption. They then pulled hitherto unprecedented technology and magical items such as a red gas that kills vampires out of their asses. From there, they proceed to pose the biggest threat to vampires in the last 500 years, but the vampires never actually strike back against them. It feels very lazy, they didn't really earn any of it. There's a reason them being a technocracy op is a common fan theory to handwave away the many, many plotholes to their existence.
Secondly they don't actually hit any of the themes that makes Hunters fun. One, they're not the underdog. They're presented as being in the commanding position, but only because their enemy has both hands tied behind their back by plot. So they neither feel like underdogs nor do their victories feel hard-fought and won. This undermines the horror of the supernaturals of the world and the pay-off when you earn your victory against the damned through grit, cunning, and teamwork.
Thirdly, they fight stupid but never suffer the consequences. Very unsubtle with their official markings and tacticool LARPer gear, any vampire with a brain should be able to duck them before they even show up. Things like pumping a city full of red gas and the masquerade still exists. Worse, they seem to want to maintain the masquerade! They find vampires based on the writers misunderstanding of how the surveillance state works.
TL;DR: They have plot armor and don't earn any of their wins.
I'm not that anon, I don't play the tabletop (only video games), I don't like hunters, but I will also answer as an excuse to rant.
This was already sort of said, but they are a Deus ex machina, but one that is even more unfun and unsatisfying than what that usually implies. The equivalent of "rocks fall, you die" DM team kill, for vampires.
They also represent a problem with the writing in post oWoD world building. The writers of CoD and v5 vampire seemingly don't understand the appeal of vampire and have an ideology in active contradiction of it even. They insist vampirism is a TERRIBLE CURSE *cries tears of blood*. Wrong. Every RPG, by definition really, represents escapist fantasy. Everyone by revealed preferences of playing Vampire thinks on some level being a vampire would be awesome. I know I wish I was one.
Sure you can have elements of personal tragedy but ultimately it's a dream to gain immortality, superpowers, and induction into an exciting, dangerous, dark but sexy secret world/society. Second Inquisition is there to make good on the writer's bluff that you don't really want that. You want to be a basic b***h go nowhere human and not have ~personal horror~. The SI as a deus ex machina force perfectly counteract your vampire superpowers. You can't use them or enjoy unlife now without your tail between your legs. You probably won't live long either, because you'll forget about some gas station camera or accidently use email one time. They are written in such a way as you are not allowed to fight against them and win. Only run and learn your lesson. If you continue to use your kickass powers "rocks fall, you die."
It's narratively moronic and sucks the life out of everything. "Imagine you're Dracula. But you have to hide in your room and not ever turn into a bat. If you do, before your dad falls asleep he will come in and beat your ass and take away your game console. Pretty cool to be Dracula, right?" GJ V5 writers.
Cute Salubri gf btw
WHY THE FRICK ARE THERE NO WOUNDS APPEARING WHEN YOU BITE INTO PEOPLE'S FLESH????
It's not that hard to just spawn a 3D model of a wound or some shit when the bite happens.
>No nympho Malk gf that sucks you like you're her private juice box three times a night
this shit will only be good for the possibility of Lou blender porn.
How is there not single good wrpg upcoming?
Because you touch yourself at night
boykisser
There is ZERO percent chance this game is good.
No game that has had this much development hell has ever been good.
when is this shitty industry going to crash
>big corpos
>crash
Never unless some serious shit happens and government stops giving free printed money to them.
This doesn't even look BAD. It just looks aggressively mediocre and rushed. The whole thing where you're stuck in a loop and each time it gets weirder, that's kind of lame. The biggest problem is actually the voice acting, which ranges from bad to annoying. I also worry if this is the section of the game that they WANTED to show off, because that implies that the rest is WORSE.
You're given a proper budget and time, how would (you) go about actually making a VTMB sequel? Diablerie? Open world shit? Clan specific quests? More clans?
I'm genuinely curious cause replaying the original so much has me imagining what a proper sequel would look like and this sequel just looks mid.
I feel like a VTMB sequel would actually need to follow up on the plot of the original game in some way, but that's not really in the cards. I think it ended as well as it can. Any true sequel has to choose a canon ending and the ending are too different for that to be a good idea.
That being said if Paradox gave me BL2's budget and told me to make a VTM game...
>You get shovelheaded at the beginning of the game. This way you can select your clan from a shitload of different options without the developers having to make a custom prologue for every single one, and it has a through-line with Bloodlines of the unplanned embrace. Note: you are NOT a thinblood, you're a real vampire.
>Like all shovelheads, you get thrown as canon fodder against the Camarilla in a suicide attack. During this you get captured by the Camarilla, who intends on using you to take out the Sabbat.
>The deal they offer you is fairly simple. You didn't ask for this embrace, and the Sabbat threw you to your doom. Work with the Camarilla as their inside man, and when all is said and done, you'll be a card-carrying member of the organization with the Prince's favor, and may even get some domain rights out of it.
>From there you're set loose with a handler of sorts who will stay in the shadows, and get to see both the Camarilla and Sabbat sides of unlife, before ultimately making a choice on which to side with, or possibly try the dangerous game of playing them both off of each other.
>Unlike in Bloodlines you have no Caine boosting your fledgeling ass up, but the Sabbat encourage diablerie and the Prince will overlook it as long as it's not done on any members of the Camarilla. Diablerie significantly boosts your disciplines, especially granting out of clan ones, but stacks other debuffs, meaning a serial diablerist will be extremely powerful but barely holding it together.
>More traditional RPG gameplay than an ARPG, possibly even a full-bore CRPG.
>Any true sequel has to choose a canon ending and the ending are too different for that to be a good idea.
We already know the canon ending tho, Independent.
*Camarilla
No, L.A is Anarch territory after vtmb
>Paradox canon
Lmao
The other option is it not mattering because the entire setting is fricking dead.
And yet it's a better option
great idea.
What makes this particularly frick hard though is schemes within schemes within schemes within...
That's what a proper vtmb2 needs, especially for the intro, you have to be immersed in schemes and trying to figure out wtf is going on, and starting as a shovelhead is honestly perfect.
Thank you. I haven't fleshed out the idea fully, because it's not like I'll get to make it, but I'm glad the idea is appreciated. I wanted to have similar themes to the original bloodlines of starting at the bottom and rising to the top, being thrown into the deep end of intrigue, and being used by everybody but being the one who holds the key to victory in the end.
Is there even one studio nowadays that could make a good VtM RPG?
No
Obsidian has been bad for years now.
Maybe Owlcat? Though their writing isn't the best
Actually, you're right, maybe they could do it
A coterie is just an RPG party with extra steps, could be like VTM redemption with a silent protag.
>voice justified opinions that an upcoming game doesn't look good
>uhh you're trying to turn this into another tortanic waaahhhhh
Shut the FRICK up.
10 years ago, I would've suggested Obsidan, Arkane, or Eidos Montreal. Right now? I say pray for a new developer to emerge.
>Eidos Montreal
Ya know, poor Eidos.
Deus Ex had a rough way to positive reception, because nobody thought they could do a good Deus Ex sequel, then that demo leaked and people dug the game, even if it wasn't seminal as the og, then another team did that awful Thief remake and then they released Mankind Divided, which could've been a good game but it was one of the most obvious cases of a publisher fricking over a developer I've ever seen. After that a surprisingly good GotG game that was doomed to failure no matter what
Squeenix harmed the western industry with that they did to Eidos and CD ina completely different way than the israelites, but on a similar level
You knew it was over the moment it was handed over to some dev who has no history of making RPGs.
>uhh you're trying to turn this into another tortanic waaahhhhh
Yes, if you think people aren't doing it, then you're extremely naive or extremely new.
Ah frick
Doing what? Creating a meme out of V5's failure? This already happened. It was literally an international accident with Chechnya that resulted in White Wolf ceasing to be a independent entity
Nowhere near what i'm talking about, you subhuman moron.
Learn what a TORtanic is
So you're not talking about anything really, are you homosexual?
No, i'm talking about something you're clearly too much of a moronic newbie to understand
>No, i'm talking about [NOTHING]
Yep, that's what I thought, you dumb homosexual.
newbie
Dumb homosexual
Just ignore him. Anyone trying to police negativity on Ganker is a loon fighting the biggest uphill battle ever.
>previous broken versions at least had some of the soul and atmosphere of the original
>new version recycles all assets and yet somehow loses all soul
This page got nuked, archive only grabbed a few screenshots
https://web.archive.org/web/20220624105116/https://www.behance.net/gallery/143273617/Bloodlines-II
I hate whatever the frick kind of UI this is, it's in everything now
WHAT THE FRICK ARE THOSE BODY PROPORTIONS
The pro-gamer body.
The metro vamp frick boy proportions
Damn that homie looks terrible
What's Manly Tears' clan?
"We don't want it to be just a sort of poor homage or pastiche of Bloodlines 1. We want it to be its own thing,"
We're not doing what Bloodlines 1 did."
Whenever a dev describes their sequel to a niche, cult-classic game like this, you know it's DOA.
https://www.pcgamer.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-has-been-quietly-rebuilt-by-dear-esther-developer-the-chinese-room-with-different-gameplay-mechanics-and-rpg-systems/
>We don't want this sequel to feel like a poor replica of the original
>Therefore we will do absolutely nothing the original did
>It's still a sequel though
I hate it.
The new game wa ssuch an absolute flop what were they thinking with this?
It hasn't come out yet moron
It looks like Cyberpunk 2077, or Starfield, or any other AAA FPS from the last 7 years in terms of art direction. That's quite a shame.
I meant Swansong.
The way they manage this IP is such a mess, the best World of Darkness game 20 years after Bloodlines is Prince of Darkness imo, a fricking CK3 mod.
DID THEY SERIOUSLY DELETE THE ENTIRE PREVIOUS GAME PLOT? Can't we play a Thin Blood? frick this
Previous game plot didn't make sense inuniverse anyway
They aren't "finishing the game". They're literally making their own game from scratch. The Bloodlines 2 that was announced in 2019 will NEVER be released.
>The Bloodlines 2 that was announced in 2019 will NEVER be released.
Let's be real. That didn't look that amazing either. It's amazing that this game play managed to be a step down from that, though. Being a VTMB fan is hard, bros.
To me it looked fine. Not ideal sure, but kinda like how deus ex human revolution wasn't ideal but was still pretty fun.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The game should have been made by Larian.
You want them to make an action game?
Ego Draconis, bro?
i was hopeful until just now. wow. its unironically fricking over kindred...
>was hopeful until just now
How
It's based off a bad version of the tts, it has lingered in development hell for years, they fired everyone involved that had worked on the previous game, paradox is shit at management, and everything we had seen of it previously like the voiced dyke protagonist and limited clans spelled out a disaster
the videos from a few years ago looked alright, havent followed it really.
The gameplay reminds me of an Arkane game, not in a good way. Though even Arkane themselves have found their formula turn to shit as of late, this is like a mockery of what they do. Why is feeding an instant stealth kill? Shouldn't it be a slow, brutal draining?
Separate from the arkane complaints, removing the speed up mode and replacing it with the speed melee combo seems like a downgrade on top of being more work. One of the coolest parts of the original VTM:B is the ability to use your own celerity in the fight with the celerity vampire and have the game basically turn into "normal" gameplay, but with the zombies in slow motion. I hope you can unlock bullet time style celerity later.
haha holy shit they forgot to buy comment bots
Holy shit it's over I don't want to hear about this game in the future
It's clear the devs never played the original game. Pretty sad stuff but at least my wallet remains thicker.
>HE’S HIDING SOMETHING
Whoa… I never would’ve guessed the secretive Nosferatu acting suspicious would be hiding something. Thanks Johnny Silverfang!
Why is the MC’s name Phyre? Why not just “Nomad”? Phyre sounds like some weird zoomer name
cuz mc be fire fr fr no cap xir be cooking b***hes left and right on god
They should have allowed the player to name the character whatever they want and just have NPCs refer to them as 'THE NOMAD'
they fricking have it right there, jeez.
>You're the dragon born! vault dweller! lone survivor! the courier! etc etc
But you aren't a nomad.
Commander Shephard in mass effect, or Hawke in Dragon Age 2 were chosen so they could have voiced name lines but still have you insert a first name. These short, identifiable names don't really let you insert as the character, and they don't add anything to the performance that just using a title wouldn't do.
Phyre itself doesn't bother me as a name, it sounds fine, but I would have preferred a full name if I'm going to have a premade character anyway. Phineas McPhyre or Phyre Xanatos or whatever the frick.
Ngl i like cyberpunk+fantasy, but for some reason Shadowrun doesn't interest me at all despite being exactly what i want.
Is it the heavy focus on crime and being outside the system? Most cyberpunk does focus on that, but Shadowrun in particular is hyperfocused on being a heist simulator. It doesn't have a lot of room for being a cog in the machine trying to do the best you can within a corrupt system, doomed to fail, or actual rebellion/revolution against the system. Those are possible within certain boundaries, but mostly you play thieves who do some occasional assassinations or freelance detective work.
The combat is passable and I like the idea of being Sheriff. However
>4 clans at launch
>performance issues even in their own gameplay reveal
>Johnny Silverhand who comments on everything
>the awkward voice acting
>Fallout 4 dialogue with vague options
>The lack of them showing or even confirming any skills (?) weapons (?) or nonlinear options (ie persuading Willem instead of fighting him, or dominating him, there just doesn’t appear to be other options)
>the lack of character customization
>the animation quality particularly the facial expressions
all bother the shit out of me
It's funny because in interviews before they've mentioned how you can do different playstyles and they even talk about it in the deep dive, but the only playstyles they mention at all are stealth melee assassin, melee combat and maybe some blood magic. This video basically confirms thats what they think options are, a stealth playthrough and an open combat playthrough. The idea of solving puzzles, using dialogue, ranged vs melee or a hundred other things is just not mentioned. You have more playstyle variance in Dishonored or Bioshock than this and those are not designed for variety.
Premade MC is not bad if the story is good enough whilst keeping some room for player agency. But that MC is trying to be both a blank slate with minimal personality and also its own character and it's the worst of both worlds on a game that already struggles to come off as an RPG.
I'd recommend pic related to anons wanting another VtM game. It's different from bloodlines: it also has a default MC, you start as a crusader turned vampire in the middle ages and the story develops as you try to come to terms with it. It's isometric and you also have party members so it plays pretty differently but it's overall a fun experience for more VtM stuff other than replaying bloodlines for the 100th time.
>there's a voice in your head
>but you can't play as a Malkavian and have a second, competing voice try and mislead you or sometimes give better advice than the thin blood
>as the game progresses, the two voices begin to sound more and more alike, to the point you can no longer tell them apart
Kino
Would be hard not to make it annoying or just straight up tiring after a while tho
I always hated how vampires when they feed just get it all over their face and are slinging the blood around all over like an indian street food vendor, they're supposed to be subtle not filthy.
I think its supposed to be because of combat with a resisting foe.
Cybershite and BaldursFart were a disaster on the gaming industry
Fricking hell, it's literally Redfall 2
No.
It's 'worse' than that.
My hope for this game plummets to levels I didn't even know I was capable of feeling with every single video they put out. I'm not kidding that this is a lightning-in-a-bottle when it comes to negative expectations for me in terms of video games and I'm pushing 30 soon so it's not like I didn't have my share of bad games.
I'm not even feeling anger anymore, It's more like disgust with a hint of curiosity to see just how low they can possibly go.
It feels like someone should sit these devs down and have them play Xbox 360 shooters for a few weeks. Not the good ones, stuff like Legendary. Then explain to them this is what they have made, and this is what people will experience playing their game.
>video immediately starts with the VA narrating fricking everything
>it just keeps going
It's so over, isn't it?
The "Unsanction" edition says that it will include commentary from Brian Mitsoda, who was the lead story dev for the first game.
But he was removed from this project 3 years ago, so I wonder what his commentary will be...
Either recorded at the time, and thus outdated, or recorded later, in which case he wouldn't know anything about the development and his commentary is pointless. So either way it's useless, it's not like they would let him say anything like "and there was massive interference from paradox" or whatever.
I'm not gonna lie I rarely see a lot of positivity in youtube comments.
>I don't even know why I'm here, this version sucks
>my feet hurt
>I wish I was working on Dead State 2 instead
you know you fricked up when even the youtube comments are shitting on you
Remember how paradox pisscord shills were flooding these threads months ago? Where are you homosexuals now lmao
Their hearts are broken anon. Whatever hope they may have had is dead and gone.
In your head rent free, clearly.
Which discipline lets you grab things with telekinesis?
Tremere sorcery could do it in the tabletop i think
I'm probably wrong but I got the impression it's just a power you get from being an elder vampire in this, that you've learned some rare TK discipline shit
>it's just a power you get from being an elder vampire in this
How many of these automatic elder vampire powers players get? It's making it sound like the core gameplay is identical no matter the clan
I'm not sure about the TK but you get super senses similar to auspex. In the tabletop you could learn some minor powers outside your clans disciplines it's just a pain you need a teacher willing to share their blood and it costs a lot of XP. So you probably won't be exactly focusing on non-clan disciplines. I guess the utility disciplines are basically stuff your character got a teacher in in the past thanks to their long life? If there's too many it probably will just make everything the same, but we don't even know if you can use guns yet so "clans might play the same" is a pretty minor fear compared to how bad things could be.
I've been saying this for years. But a VTM game should always be set pre 2000. Preferrably 90's. The entire setting just doesn't work otherwise. It was always doomed to fail because of this.
Even VtMB wasn't set in like a regular 2004. You can set it in 2024 or whenever but it needs to be a gothic punk 2024 that fits the game
>NWoD
>set in the 2020's
>MC is a rip off of V from cyberpunk for some reason even down to their appearance
>can't change your characters apperance
This is just horrible. No one wanted this.
Wait, why do you think its NWOD? Half the clans in this literally don't exist in Requiem
Trannies will never be human
>dyke protag
not playing