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Gonna post about politics changes, here's the link if you want to read it yourself: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-97-open-beta-1-5-update-2.1600773/
>The base of politics in Victoria 3 is the pops - and we are ever striving to make politics more interesting and varied, both in terms of national flavour and the shifting nature of politics as your nation modernises.
>Interest Group Makeup
>The 1.5 patch contains a battery of changes to interest group makeup, designed to make the political structure of a nation more dependent on laws, with pops aligning towards different interest groups depending on the social structure that the player has crafted for their nation.
>The goal of these changes is to make interest groups more dynamic over the course of the game, with certain laws able to influence the power of groups in society in a way far more organic than a flat bonus to interest group clout. For example, in 1.5, there have been some changes to the Homesteading law.
>Instead of benefiting the Rural Folk directly, the law now benefits the political strength of small farmers, who own the majority of the land in the United States. But this is not the only change. Looking closer at the pops themselves, we can see that the farmers in Ohio are beginning to gravitate towards a new interest group.
>Under Homesteading, farmers are much more free to claim land on the frontier for themselves and hire farmhands, thus making them members of the Petit-Bourgeois class.
>This, however, is not uniform across the country. Whereas in the North, where yeoman farmers predominate, there are enough middle farmers to form a sizable rural petit-bourgeoisie, the Southern slave states have an altogether different class dynamic. In the South, the presence of slavery stratifies the farmers into either extremely wealthy or extremely poor, sharply increasing their attraction to the Landowners, and weakening their attraction to the Petit-Bourgeoisie.
>The result of this is that nations with Homesteading will gain a much stronger Petit-Bourgeoisie class, as the farmers who are too wealthy for the Rural Folk and too poor for the Landowners find their niche in the middle class.
If "Interest Groups" are no more descriptive of the pops in them, they should just use parties as this point. Now it's like there are too much "party" mechanics for the pop.
>WHERES MUH HECKIN POLITICAL COMPASS NOOOOO INTEREST GROUPS ARE MARXOID BULLSHIT
have a nice day in the head in front of your parents
Nobody said anything about political compasses, simmer down
This. Interest groups are nothing more then a obscuration at this point.
>HRE
You mean that state which literally nobody wanted back? Even the Austrians were pushing for a more centralized German Confederation, not to continue role playing as some successor to an empire they themselves chose to dissolve
yeah but it's based as frick tho
No, it's not. Parashit is again implementing larping shit that nobody asked them to do. It's ahistorical and pointless, at the same time they ignore historical outcomes if they're just slightly leaning towards right.
It's a game you dip. I like these ahistorical and cool things that you can do in it.
Itd be cool if the ahistory came from emergent gameplay and not a bunch of pre determined meme flow charts.
You know what's cool also? Leading your men to battle, but they deemed that ahistorical because you could lead their braindead AI into a shed and kill it there. So they thought that solution to that would be giving your armies to a braindead AI as well.
This.
It should be "alt history" that were alternatives to the time... not just another stupid and shitty "Form Rome!" meme.
It'd be like putting a 20th century British feminist flag in a game about the early modern period as a revolutionary flag for the UK...
I agree with this. I'm totally fine with alt-his stuff, even the more ridiculous "Greece beats Ottomans in victoria 3" type ones, but only things that are plausible.
Rome makes sense in HOI4 because Mussolini had Roman pretentions. If we imagine a world where the Italian military was extremely successful, maybe him proclaiming Rome was possible. There is no equivalent in Vic3. I don't know if HRE makes sense in Vic3 though. I know more than the average person about the period, but not whether the HRE was looked back on favorably or was even still a concept people aspired towards. Maybe it was because the German emperor called himself the Kaiser just like the HRE one did?
Idk.
>I don't know if HRE makes sense in Vic3 though. I know more than the average person about the period, but not whether the HRE was looked back on favorably or was even still a concept people aspired towards.
isn't the problem that the HRE is a bundle of feudal states that cannot be played as a group?
I dunno if China even makes sense as a single country in paradox games but the HRE sounds like a joke to be playable as, like a Britain game where you directly own the thirteen colonies, Malaysia, India, Canada and Australia
>Mussolini had Roman pretentions
No, it was all about rethoric and comparing Italy to the glory of Rome.
He wanted an Italian Empire, not a Roman one
Just chose "Historically plausible" in the game options, it's fine.
where's that option for IRL everyday life instead of this apologetic shit?
Every paradox game is ahistoric. Never play their garbage.
Are you a hipster?
Well at least its not more moronic than the possibility of restoring the Byzantine Empire in the 19th century
Not ahistorical as the greeks considered larping as a nation of romans after independence (and some subpopulations still considered themselves rhōmaîoi until quite recently).
>inb4 le byzantines are a different thing
The Byzantine Empire is just a meme name for easily differentiating between periods of roman history, people inside it still called themselves romans and their state "the state/empire of the romans".
Victoria 3 is still a shit game anyway.
you're moronic
t.byzaboo
What the frick is the point of the HRE? It's just the borders of greater germany with minor territorial changes. Is it just so ledditers can form le epic big germany without being le evil germany?
Byzantium makes sense at least. If a greek nation became large and powerful through an imperialist leader odds are they would proclaim themselves the successors to either the byzantine or alexanders empire, which are more or less the same thing. A large and powerful german nation wouldn't proclaim themselves the successor of the hre because most germans didn't need to look to the past for legitimacy and wanted a new better nation.
Grossdeutschland without the deutsch
>Is it just so ledditers can form le epic big germany without being le evil germany?
Yes. Same as all the new alternate paths they added in HoI4.
SEIN VATERLAND MUSS GRÖẞER SEIN
They go on about the intelligentsia as well but the farmer example illustrates what they're going for well enough so I'll stop there.
LARP slop
>muh HRE!
>in any other game than CK
>in fact, HRE even in CK
reddit
cool
paradox realized it's over so now they are trying to put things on life support with hoi4-style wacky alt history
Two more weeks?
oh boy I can't wait to see all the moronic state trades the ai falls for
Let me repeat, two more weeks?
Oh and this is CK3, a game release two year and a half earlier, there is not much difference aside from CK3 not getting review bombed even though it was CK2 with features stripped away and still hasn't got a decent DLC.
>muh review bombing
is this the corpo game dev equivalent of
>muh death threats
to garner sympathy?
It's almost as if CK3 had some redeeming qualities unlike Vicky 3
> from CK3 not getting review bombed
And that's a bad thing.
>go to trade states
>AI refuses
>check reasons
>"Will lose land -999"
Paradox doesn't like the AI trading anything in most games
>Two more weeks
doesn't actually work when it is already over
Shut. The frick. Up. Incel.
so true
This is a abomination of a game. You feel ashamed.
a hoi4 modder is adding visual novels to the game. So excited! can't wait for TNO in the 19th century.
have they fixed communism being the most powerful system yet? or are they still pandering to 10iq redditors
There is no "communism" so you'll have to be more specific
hello esl
Fricking newbie
>dumb esl using words it doesn’t understand
typical
No, its a sure sign you are a newbie if you complain about grammar
>mistakes misusing a word for having bad grammar, and somehow pointing this out makes you a “newbie”
why are thirdies all mentally disabled lol
didnt you threaten to rape someone here after getting trolled and being told your country was shit and full of criminals?
> "this deranged esl wants to le rape me, please believe me guys!"
whatever you say troony
>esl publicly displaying his sick desire to rape a troony in front of everyone
and that’s why we don’t let you “people” into our countries 🙂
oh look he's called in reinforcements from his troonycord
>esl spergs out after being reminded it’s not trusted or welcome in real functioning countries
lol
Simmer down
>that’s why we don’t let you “people” into our countries
lmfao what universe are you even from
do the words "totally open border" mean anything to you?
Reinforcements? They're literally a minute apart. It's the same guy pretending to be someone else because he's suffering from a bad case of schizophrenia.
Why are you all so gay?
Keep outing yourselves gays
absolutely assmad lmao
>"You're mad"
Okay plebbitor
>found this website 5 months ago linked on iFunny.br
>no yuo are of newbie!!
?
cull these low iq disabled homosexuals already
Using troonycase is worse then being an esl
yes it's a classic Paradox game
instead of fixing huge flaws in core mechanics they are adding pointless events and decisions
Its already pretty decent for a Byzaboo mod
The new formables were literally chosen via a poll posted on twitter.
>twitter
what is Twitter?
Frick off /gsg/
why are thirdies so triggered by lowercase?
Because Black folk like you use it.
inb4 hurr durr esl worse than Black person!!!
>inb4 hurr durr esl worse than Black person!!!
I can tell the bullying has gotten too much for you. I am duly sorry.
Victoria 3 sucks because at this point frostpunk has more replayablity that this game where you decisions don't matter.
I want to build a totalitarian militarized state through a violent revolution and then invade neighbours for no reason other than chauvinism
The game doesn't allow me to do this.
Similar criticism I have for CK3 I want to make empire and genocide cultures but I cannot...
But you can totally build a military dictatorship and invade people for no reason. There are several hacky mods that allow you to genocide non-accepted pops and one that even lets you invent a retroactive excuse why their homeland states actually belong to your culture. The gameplay is shit either way though.
>game is billed as diplomacy replacing war
>the diplomacy is a 3 month waiting period to go to war and nothing else
I fricking hate the politics in V3 and it's to gamey, I hope someone more eloquent than me could explain.
If you want diplomacy, you need to play MP. Game AI cannot to that in a a satifying way.
Hotfix soon
Vox Populi for Civ 5 will make you change your idea
looking forward to more people complaining about bugs in an open beta patch
moron, we already have that hotfix.
>H
>R
>E
Holy because it was endorsed by the Pope who crowned the Holy Roman Emperors
Roman because it was Roman Catholic
Empire is false because Reich actually translates to Realm.
Reich conceptually is understood as the same thing as empire even with the translation to realm. The reich refers to the idea of a universal realm/empire which encompasses all other political authority, which the HRE claimed to have.
Which it did have. Even during the time of Voltaire the Empire was still able to assemble armies and functionally operate. It wasn't until Prussia started fricking shit up that Austria lost nominal authority, and even then Napoleon did far more damage to the institution than the Prussians ever could.
No, I agree the HRE did have a claim to universal authority which was legitimate and actual, at least for a time. That said its real power to claim universality peaked and existed solely during the High Middle Ages. Its not even fair to say that it was the peace of westphalia that challenged this notion, the act of supremacy is propably a more fitting end point. So not even close too Prussia or Napoleon. (Also note that by the time of the war of the Austrian succession the feud system which was essential for the real makeup of the Empire was practically gone and replaced by leviathan court procedures, so the empire of medieval europe was completely gone)
But that's wrong.
The universal claim comes from the holy and roman, as the Kaiser was intended as a protector and worldly hegemon over all christendom. Reich is a far more common title that has nothing to do with that. Some examples: the frankish kingdom was called frankish reich. Austria is actually named ÖsterREICH, meaning the eastern realm of the Germans. In German Russia was often called the Russisches TzarenREICH, meaning Russian Tzarist Realm. This isn't a uniquely german thing either, just germanic. The swedes for the longest time called their state the svea rike or swedish reich.
Words can mean multiple things at once. The Roman Empire called itself Imperium Romanum, but imperium doesn't just mean empire, it's also the power of command that any official wields, even the lowliest ones. It's very similar to 'Reich' in that regard, which can be used to describe any realm, even that of a small barony, but in a more specific sense refers to the Kaiserreich, europe's universal monarchy.
C-Coalsbad-san?!
the legitimist discord send's their regards
Lord MSG will have your head on a spike
>tfw no genocide button
moreover, CK3 and V3 workshops BAN genocide mods! Ridiculous.
you sound kinda weird and moronic my friend
YOU sound weird and moronic I am ARYAN
shut the frick up you gay annoying ESL
kraut is assmad
Don’t care about genocide buttons, it’s just I don’t get for whom Victoria 3 is made.
Production chains are better in Anno 1800.
War elements are better in total war, or civilization or any other 4x.
Historical stuff and politics are better in Victoria 2. So what’s the point?
>it’s a beeeta
this thread is almost as shit as the game it is about
Ah finally the game is playable thanks to those formable they everyone can do by changing a txt file.
ITT: autists trying to determine the truth about HRE not accepting that as long as there is political will, wildest concepts are possible and reasoning is only made up in a way that suits
paradox games are fun but, but the community of self-described "history buffs" are the fricking worst. it literally doesn't matter what is done, they will find some way to shit up discourse with either their conservative victim complex, or their inability to understand the need for abstraction when creating a video game such as this. it's all so tiresome.
nobody talks about the game. they talk about this imaginary fantasy game that perfectly simulates the entirety of human history and development. something that is very obviously impossible. fricking step it up.
Shut the frick up you vile little runt.
Conservatives are the real snowflakes. You guys get triggered by simple words in the internet, because you know all the criticisms are true.
You will never be a man though.
>spew moronation
>"shut the frick up you moron"
>HAHAHAH LOOK SEE YOU'RE DA REEEEEEEEEL SNOWFLAKES
What causes this kind of behaviour? Single motherhood?
>kindly requested to step it up
>immediately starts crying for mommy
Proved him right.
you're fat and gay
It must be nice to experience a world that exists solely in your mind.
No, moron, stating someone is triggered doesn't make it so. Leave. Go to /gsg/, your steam group, Discord, whatever. You don't have to go back, but you can't stay here.
Weren’t you ever told by your parents or your teachers not to give reactions like this to the bullies?
>sees himself as le bully
how mentally stunted are you?
>spergs out over being mocked for being a “history buff”
its ok dude, do your breathing exercises and maybe go look at some epic memes about reclaiming constantinople
>starts rambling about how cons r da reel snowflakez completely unprompted
You started this. Victoria 3 isn't very good, sorry.
>LOOK HOW ANGRY YOU ARE
every fricking time without fail, lmfao like clockwork
Nice Redditjaks, my good sir!
The point of the picture still stands, 'jaks aside.
See:
see
THE "HAM SANDWICH RACE" IS WANING. YOUR ASCENT TO THE GENETIC SUMMIT HAS HALTED.
chris chan type post
The fact you don't even recognise that character betrays the fact you're a moron.
see
See
See
calm down mate
Maaaateeee
>Conservatives are the real snowflakes. You guys get triggered by simple words in the internet
thank you my reddit friend, you surely owned the conseratives with that one! haha! oh my golly my good gentlesir the combination of me laughing so hard at your epic OWNAGE of those conservatives and the currently open game of victoria 3 on my pc has led to a weakening of my butthole muscles and now there is shit running down my leg!
I think reddit is more up your alley, buddy.
They are not conservatives, they are socialists (nazis)
“History buff” (read: mentally stunted manchild with no real interest in history except epic trivia facts about empires and battles) brutally triggered once more. Typical!
Trolling used to be an art, now all it takes is calling a spade a spade, apparently.
cool samegay post, screenshotted xD
Interest Groups marxist leftoid crap, I want an ANARCHO-CAPITALIST developed game, that would be economy and politics I would enjoy for sure fr.
Do nothing the entire game and win.
Still sounds better than playing Vic3
I want the new beta patch now reeeeeee
New general orders
WAR CRIMES WAR CRIMES
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>15% morale loss
>Implying soldiers killing and raping civilians would lessen morale.
>soldiers killing and raping civilians would lessen morale.
Yes, edgy tard.
The advance is supposed to be cruel on your own soldiers, dumb shills. It's not about allowing war crimes.
How do you explain kill rate, devastation, and aggressive maneuver buff then? It IS about committing war crimes. I think they should add diplomatic repercussions when making war crimes too.
I just patrol it for fun times
The ones that aren't choosing to loot and pillage the countryside aren't having a good time, and the ones that are are less organized and mor likely to get caught out in the open and lose a fight they would otherwise easily win.
KINO is back on the menu boys
>A bit of additional context here: these orders are very WIP, both their names and their functions. They're not intended to be universal and always available, but rather unlocked by specific traits, skills, tech, laws, etc. Many effects have been moved from traits to an order unlocked by those traits, to give the player a bit more control and agency, but the intent here is not that this should lead to some sort of micro hell where you have to constantly manage specific commanders' orders - rather, they're meant to work as stances you can opt to "upgrade" to over and above the basic Advance/Defend behavior. It's very experimental and something we're open to rolling back for the final release if it doesn't lead to more fun gameplay in practice.
*patrols coast professionally*
sad that he basically confirmed this will take at least another year
>esl anon and iphone anon are still seething at eachother
when will you frickers just have sex and get it over with
Now you see me. Now you don't.
is the update out
So now that Wiz has moved onto PDXs "secret" new project *cough* EUV. I wonder if we'll see them roll back some features to a more Vic2 style?
Isn't he the lead dev still?
Read the discord, I'm not going to spoon feed you news you unbelievably lazy c**t
>Read the discord
can't, trannies banned me
>read the trooncord
Why would anyone want to do that
>not muh heckin maymays
average thirdie spergout
How does this picture make you feel?
Positive since it forces Paradox to try harder, not a lot harder but they still have to keep the rating in mind.
Wroom
>mental illness the thread
Why can't Vic3 threads be civilised?
its a discord troons LARPING as anons who are arguing to derail these threads
Long Knife Enjoyer won, Earth Rabbit won, Smeed won.
A fellow Winthropian.
>no update today
>"later next week"
>WAAAAAH WHY ISN'T IT OUT ON TUESDAY
You really are an inpatient fat c**t aren't you?
some of us have jobs and lectures you fat hikikomori moron
aww poor fat baby. we'll just drop everything we're doing for you shall we?
When they release it (1.5)? FRICK
To be honest this sounds promising. A lot of stuff in this update.
We can rewrite science? Hell yeah.
we can now fully roleplay as modern leftists
hello esl
Gone from b***hing about conservatives being the real snowflakes to whining about esls again? That's a shame.
what a weird and emotionally affected reply to "hello esl"
Do you think everyone here is a goldfish who's unable to recognise your posting style?
why do esls type so fricking bizarrely
>answers a question with another question
Based moron.
Art thou mayhaps under the presumption that the fine gentlemen of this thread are unable to recognize your distinguished style of writing? How preposterous indeed...
*right wingers
The science is settled, chud.
*constantly flip flops, declares mutilated men to be exactly the same as women, promotes weight loss drugs while at the same time trying to claim that obesity is healthy, floods the developed world with illiterate unskilled labourers when AI and automation will eliminate all the jobs these illiterate peasants are supposed to fill*
>11/10
>still no beta update
whats paradox up to?
And again the schizoposter(s?) from some shitcord.
The esl and troony are clearly the same person.
hello esl
Mental how badly they managed to frick up vicky3
>every game has random treaty ports spammed in shit like greenland and jutland
They're importing ice over the ocean, anon. Since the goods don't exist in reality, but are based on needs and production amounts, I'd do that too.
so is the game good yet?
you can westernize as qing in 1937 which is an improvement compared to vic 2
yea honestly 1.5 is imo the start of the good phase of vic3. pretty much all the major problems people were voices are fixed now, and with the military rework generally working decent I'd say the game is solid
It's a strict upgrade from Vic 2 now without needing to cope about "it's not a war game" or whatever.
I'd still really like features like foreign investment and more flavor but it's not that big a deal
Is the main gameplay still managing your construction queue? Yes? Then the game is still shit. If I wanted to play Anno, I would just play Anno.
What
said, but I'd wait until SOI in the spring if I were you. By then it'll be an order of magnitude better. There are plenty of good games to play in the meantime, + legacy of persia comes out in 1 month for ck3.
no, and v2 is still better. but this is a decent base and i expect the game to get good in a year or two from now.
Vic3's been shit for a while, but it hasn't been more shit than Vic2 (even with HPM) since they fixed the game-breaking release day bugs.
No, and I was watching a presentation by one of the Paradox engine devs and apparently they severely fricked up the design of Vicky 3 in such a way that its simulation is not very easily parallelized (compared to say CK3 which is quite well parallelized - although by the same token CK3 does have a less complex simulation goal) and there's not really a clear path to fixing it.
So while they're trying to fix all the missing content and broken systems they ALSO have the problem that this game in the most complex line of Paradox games has a major performance issue which will be difficult to resolve.
Better to just wait for Project Alice and/or the Smedley Kernel.
I ain't reading all that.
I'm happy for you tho.
Or sorry that happened.
tl;dr vicky 3 is shit
why does germany never form? is there no railroading?
In the latest versions it should form
I'm into 1890 in my latest France game and Germany hasn't formed. I've noticed the past few games Russia really nails Prussia hard around 1840 which seems to frick them over for the rest of the game. Personally I think Russia needs nerfed
Germany forming was definitely not a given in 1836, it should not form in every game.
on the contrary it should form every game unless the player interferes.
Kleindeuschland shouldn't form every game, but some form of Germany should, either the historical route, or the Frankfurt Parliament, or Austria asserting hegemony over the region and shifting to a more pro-German identity (at the expense of increased unrest in its non-German territories), or some kind of "reduced success" for Prussia wherein they're able to unify the historic German Federation but not to wrest control over the south from Austria.
The idea that Germany just wouldn't unify at all is silly, there was a strong national consciousness by that point and a growing desire for political unification; the only question was what form it would take.
>Austria asserting hegemony over the region and shifting to a more pro-German identity (at the expense of increased unrest in its non-German territories)
Why should Austria butt-frick itself?
>Austria asserting hegemony over the region and shifting to a more pro-German identity
>or some kind of "reduced success" for Prussia wherein they're able to unify the historic German Federation but not to wrest control over the south from Austria
Thank you for agreeing with me that Germany should not form every game.
>Germany forming was definitely not a given in 1836
It was VERY given. The question was not "if", or even "when", but "under whos leadership". The only reason why it didn't happen already in 1848 was because Frederick William was too proud for his own good (notice how pace toward unification skyrocket afer his death) and torpedoed that on utterly moronic "no crown from the crowd" move. I mean what sort of moron it takes to NOT take a crown you are given by popular vote of countries that would otherwise oppose you in every possible way?!
>b-but he was based
Based on what? Being an incompetent king that didn't have a say anyhow?
>I mean what sort of moron it takes to NOT take a crown you are given by popular vote
What sort of a moron it takes to think that crown can be given by popular vote
>Be powerless figurehead king in a country ruled by a military staff and oligarchy of landowners
>Throw a temper tantrum when offered a political entity thrice the size of your country without any political manuvers needed, a move supported by said staff and oligarchy
>HURR THAT DOESN'T COUNT, BECAUSE MUH CROWD OF COMMONERS
All of Scandinavia has monarchy by popular vote. Same with Netherlands - and they were a fricking republic, for frick's sake.
And literally the second Fredrich was declared dead, his own cabinet instantly started making open moves toward unification anyway. He was the only obstacle, and they had to quite literally wait him out
>it should not form in every game.
The problem with that is Germany is one of the few European powers almost every other European power can fight due to the way wars work. Germany borders almost every other major European power or can be bordered by all other major powers if they are allied to any of the various nations surrounding Germany, so they are a great late game nation to have no matter what.
If Germany, or at least the NGF, does not form there needs to be some sort of flag that railroads other nations like Austria, Denmark, Belgium/Netherlands, or if they're released, Poland so they form a somewhat central major power that unites their lands and then starts eating into Germany to give them that central major power that can fight almost every other European power in late game.
Prediction: the SOI expansion will add the German Confederation as an SOI under Austria's control. This will give the Austrian player a good reason to Oppose the Unification of Germany, as then you will lose your dominance over the German states. Holstein (or is it schleswig?) will be a puppet of Denmark but technically in Austria's sphere, which will give them a reason to go to war over it if Denmark attempts to integrate the province, as was the case historically.
I can't predict the specifics. That's what I know. How do I know? Divine source. God told me. I think it's a really cool idea.
why does creamapi work for other paradox games but not v3. the heckin dlcs won't activate.
New beta update is out
So now that theyve6fonally fixed vicky3 what DLC are you lads looking forward to next?
Influential Africans of history
How does Russia being a shithole change the fact your country is turning itself into a shithole too with unrestricted esl migration and other moronic bleeding heart policies (all those spics, indians, africans and god knows what other forms of genetic waste do not speak english natively)
>belgium
>ireland
>sweden
>france
what the frick is going on
So there are issues with factories hiring pops and one of the devs posted a temporary fix on the discord, typical Paradox
How dare they fix a mistake they made. This is fricking outrageous!
They shouldn't have made such a big mistake to begin with, that's a critical bug.
Oh and there is also a pretty big bug regarding immigration, its not clear if its just an UI bug or immigration is broken, one solution might be to use this mod for now
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3030486862
it's a beta patch you fricking mong. Is your brain that tiny, mind that feeble that you can't comprehend that this is for testing?
Hard to test it if most people will refuse to even touch it, the previous beta patch had missing features but was playable, this one isn't
Seeing as how the Devs are already posting fixes in the discord, it's obvious people are testing it. I am literally talking to a moron here. I'd tell you to have a nice day but you'd probably snap the rope you fat c**t.
why the frick are the fixes being posted on pedocord?
do you really need to stay updated with all of paradox's social media in order for a beta update to not break your game?
seems like paraisraelites are losing it, i have never ever seen a beta update make the game unplayable
it is evident that development of v3 will soon be terminated
That French Republic color makes me hard everytime
Those rates are way higher now. My country, Austria, has increased to 21.0, and the suicide rate for women has doubled in the last 3 years. Wonder how the other countries are doing.
Do you know why it has increased so much? seems like a lot for the first world
can't stand discord dude. so many fricking useful things are isolated on that awful fricking service.
It's cool to see armies moving around
Are they ever going to fix the US Canada border? It is literally unplayable
with the new province exchange mechanic things like that should be fixable, which is what happened historically. The USA and Britain agreed to make the 49th parallel the border between Canada and America, effectively ceding the Washington territory.
I didn't ask for a history lesson you fricking nerd.
This is a paradox games thread.
Nerd is not an insult here.
True story, I lost my virginity after impressing a girl with knowledge I learned from an EU4 event. The sex was truly awful but at least my penis touched a vegana.
>Anon points out new set of mechanics that solve the issue in question
>HURR NERD DURRR
Must be tough living with double-digit IQ
oh dear oh dear hit a nerve have I?
>Barge in to point out moron is moronic
>hit a nerve?
A nerve of what? You asked for mechanics, were given an answer, then instantly sperged out.... and now continue to sperg out for God knows what reason.
can I pee in your mouth?
Regarding setbacks, how do you play the game? Do you try and play optimally, restarting or savescumming if you get fricked up, or do you treat it like a story, where setbacks are an essential part of the narrative, even if they're major?
For example: if you play the ottomans and fail to reform the government, getting the 'dead man of europe' modifier, would you start over or just do the best you can, maybe consolidating into Turkey by the end of the game?
I guess this technically applies for all paradox games but this is a vic3 thread so stick to that.
i savescum like mad. enactment RNG is determined by the day. october 13th could be a good tick for the law, and october 14th could be a bad tick.
increasing or decreasing the enactment time by a few % will shift the day it ticks. excess authority speeds up enactment time. so you can remove or add consumption taxes at your leisure to fish for a good tick.
this does remove challenge, and this does mean i'm bad. however FRICK RNG law enactment. that system is so fricking stupid.
I play in Ironman and i don't try to metagame, just play at my best and try to make the world more interesting, i don't get people that blob mindlessly on the map.
Anyone who doesn't larp with paradox games is genuinely mentally ill
I only loaded save if something moronic happened like britain joining a war against me to open dahomey's market. I'm not going to have my plans ruined because I puppeted some african shitholes for artificial gdp to hit great power and britain is obsessed with opening markets.
sigh i've been wanting to play the beta but i still can't because every fricking update has missing shit or game breaking bugs.
Austria should be split up in to Austria and then a bunch of PUs under Austria to represent the absolutely TURBOFRICKED nature of the Austrian 'state'. I don't even know if you could call the Austrian empire at the time a state considering the overlapping layers of post-feudal obligations, concessions to the estates, and sub-governments everywhere.
I think it would more accurately represent the situation instead of Austria being a big blob of kickass with some minor ethnic unrest occasionally.
Victoria 2 & 3 don't represent internal governments, even though they should. I'm actually kind of amazed at how Paradox segments features that should be in all their games into only one series. IE CK has some representation of internal government subdivisions, and monarch relationships, and EU and Vicky should have those too, but don't... Vicky has pops and other games don't, etc.
how do I get to number 1 GDP as Russia
I presume there's a specific build order
Just play half decently, in a previous patch i became number one without ever removing serfdom since the AI is that inefficient
If you really want keep an eye on
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3030486862
Its a mod made by OPB and another guy that tries to rebalance some stuff and right now they are also trying to make the current patch a bit less buggy
do you mean specifically in 1.5 or just in general? i haven't played 1.5 yet which changes things a bit because goods have local prices, making it more cost efficient to stack certain goods together (from what i've seen, in 1.5 perm is a great state to build construction sector stuff in russia).
but in general russia is ez as frick to get to #1. you just do what you do in every other country to grow gdp, which is maxing out income and consumption taxes in the early game, and entering the construction sector feedback loop where you build more construction sectors so you can build more goods, some of which you'll use to fuel more construction sectors, and so on. countries with huge populations and good starting income like qing and russia are OP for spiraling.
also google the latest "market liberal" ideology trick that you can do with russia so you can pass laissez faire early. i never play russia so i don't know what it is specifically but it involves exiling a leader or some shit.
Lmao
is that a graphics mod? I don't remember the landmasses in my game having those.
It's from the new light/dark dlc
I think its just one of the maps that the DLCs added
Diplomatic plays need a revamp. I've observed 2 games now and both time Germany did not form because when it came to the brothers war all the major powers just supported Austria and declared on Prussia. Absolutely curb stomping Prussia so much that they were unable to do anything for the rest of the game
Seems like any war no matter how small the war, there's always a couple of GPs taking sides.
Just to add my current game as the Ottomans (not that it matters) Prussia have just started the Franco- Prussia war. The US, China and and bizarrely the Ivory Coast have sided with France and currently have troops fighting on the frontline. This is in 1868.
It's not even about power plays being shit (don't get me wrong, they have plethora of issues), it's that they didn't bother to write 5 lines of script to handle unifications in any meaningful way. And without dedicated mechanics, their equally poorly written AI has no clue what to do, so it declares a war instead, which then due to how fricked the war system is, proceeds to lose.
In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but other than successfu bluff of going to war, your alternative for unifying both Italy and Germany is to just DoW on other countries. In other words: either they fold under pressure of war, or you simply conquer them if that fails.
Which is beyond moronic
Just feels silly now. The war has slogged on for over 2 years now.
you are like a little baby. That war has lasted 50+ years in my game
Thank you for agreeing it's a problem
The diplomacy in this game is actually cancer. They need to reign in the constant mega-wars.
>go to ledger
>sort by standard of living
>provinces with best standards of living in the world are all shithole colonies with 99.9% discriminated animist pops
???
People usually build up large plantations of single resource in one state which generates large profits (think dyes for example) which results in big wages even for the "discriminated" laborers. They also get access to your whole market while not paying any taxes, which gives them greater purchasing power than any of your actual non discriminated pops.
tags dont matter one bit so who cares if vic3 adds larp lmfao
>The 1.5 free update expands the Scramble for Africa with new, specialized colonial administrations that may be formed in several African regions. Using the new Expand Colonial Administration journal entry, unlocked along with the Scramble for Africa, colonizing powers may assign control of their African colonies to a new subject state.
>These administrations make use of the new dynamic tags feature, which allows for the creation of new, extremely configurable nations in script. Rather than relying on existing tags for your mod’s warlord period or seven-sided civil war, the create_dynamic_country function allows for rapidly defining several new nations at once, configurable with whatever laws, cultures, religions, or names that one wishes to assign them.
>The result of some colonial administrations may be seen [in pic related], with Belgium handing control of the Congo off to a colonial administration, and France splitting its territories in West Africa in twain between its Guinea and Outer Hausaland administrations. The names and requirements for these colonial administrations are currently a work in progress - one concept we have for the finished product is that each colonial administration will possess dynamic names derived from their overlord - for example, French Senegal, or French Niger, or the Slovenian Raj.
How do we feel about this?
I think it's a great change.
It's a good idea and a dynamic tag framework will be good for modders, but right now it doesn't seem like there's any reason to actually use the feature.
Why not?
It doesn't give you any benefit, it just gives you less control over what buildings get built. I guess it could let you set different policies for them, but it's not like colonies get institutions to begin with, so when would you ever really want to?
You actually get way more from subjects than if you directly controlled the land. Unless you are a low pop country that is. A Scandinavian nation wants to directly control everything because they don't have the pops to do much of anything, but a nation like Russia will hit the end date before it runs out of pops so direct control is entirely irrelevant.
Also african shitholes are just that, shitholes. outside of the good rgo provinces you don't give a shit about them the second you're able to expand into the real treasure, Asia. India, Indonesia, China, Japan, they've all got delicious states with good rgos and/or absurd pops. the african shitholes will provide you some tribute and they will naturally grow their gdp faster since they're in your market which is a net benefit since you don't have to waste time building in them.
it's bad because the AI is bad and doesn't build like it needs to. using a mod that improves AI would probably make it decent. i think they plan on adding other-country investment in the diplomatic update (which is the one after 1.5) so that should also make the colonial states useful.
>but a nation like Russia will hit the end date before it runs out of pops so direct control is entirely irrelevant.
???? i hope you just mean the AI.
You do not build fast enough or have the economy to sustain high enough levels of construction as Russia to run out of pops. And this is even with VFM which I would describe as "cheaty bullshit" with multiple dependencies that pay 20-40k in tribute each.
this might be my ignorance talking because i usually start as ~medium nations like egypt or belgium and i swell up to like 100 mil pops by end game. but with a 3000 construction sector i run out of employment no matter what i do, no matter how many qing states i annex, no matter how much of africa i colonize. i'll do a russia game some time to make sure but i'm pretty confident that you can scale up your construction sector and get to 0 unemployment as russia even if you chip away at qing and such. but i'm doing a korea run soon so the russia run will be awhile.
this game could've been decent if war was like hoi4 with drawing frontlines and army templates
but even then, when I think about it, the game would basically still be just construction sector spam and pressing the "+" button to build shit all game
>was like
were like*
hypothetical, subjunctive mood
hello esl
atleast I understand more than one language while you sit in America getting fat and letting blacks indulge your woman
don't bother putting in any effort replying to him
Which hoi4 mod is this?
Don't think thats a HOI4 mod.
it's from Espiocracy i think
Correct
So abandonware?
abandonware implies the game ever existed outside photoshop
For one the publishers of Espiocracy already released many games, i ihighly doubt they would support developers they don't trust.
Show me gameplay footage
it was lost in a plane crash, with no survivors
*surpasses kino*
Anyone else spending their Saturday night playing Vicky3 while their exgfs go out clubbing in search of BBC?
i wouldn't date a woman who was attracted to bbc so no
figures that vicky 3 player is a cuck
That's a comfy scenario ngl
Friendly reminder you must be at least 16 to successfully pretend to be 18, which in turn is needed to use this site.
Sounds kino af.
i wouldnt date a woman who couldnt appreciate grossgermania
Post your GROBSGERMANIA.
now.
>bought kingdoms and castles instead of vic 2 because I was too impatient to wait for a sale.
Kill me.
>pay for paradox games after vic3
What am I missing here? Trying to learn the game.
>Iron is expensive
>build iron mines
>import iron
>stays expensive
Just an example, but seems to be the case with most things
Vicky3 bros...they've finally fixed it
The game is on sale
when are they going to start focusing on making the game better instead of chasing marginally bigger numbers
You WILL hand over your hard earned shekels for the DLC packs anon.
Anon the game itself is about making numbers go up. Obviously that's their primary focus, even on Steam.
Man, they should really step away somewhat from their strict adherence to marxian politics.
The way fascism exists in the game doesn't make sense and is usually too weak They will never drop this completely ofcourse, but you would think they should realize that middle class politics are fricked in this game and that "petite-bourgoise" doesn't exist IRL in how Communists think it does. Perfectly encapsualted by the game itself as the PB very rarely becomes powerfull and you thus don't get fascism nor any other authoritarian right-wing to power unless you boost landowners and get RNG right-wing Militarists and Industrialists.
Anarchism meanwhile is easy to implement and maintain lol
I really hate the Marxist lens in this game. It seeps in everything.
>but you would think they should realize that middle class politics are fricked in this game and that "petite-bourgoise" doesn't exist IRL in how Communists think it does.
I find their version of trade unions similarly confusing.
Anarchic communes with big state welfare...
What's the migration problem?
Basically new world countries get gigantic amounts of migrants from day one even without mass migration and that feature doesn't even work right now.
Well how else do you expect the US to be a great power in the game within its timeframe when they weren't until WWII? To start as one? That'd be really hilarious if paradox made a barely populated, unindustrialised slave state a great power from day one, and then gave them ludicrous migration as well...
With the mass migration mechanic but it doesn't work, right now Canada becomes an indian colony after just a couple of decades because immigration is overtuned. Anyway the biggest issue is the AI spamming military units and not knowing how to handle/merge them
>Canada becomes an indian colony after just a couple of decades because immigration is overtuned.
this is historically accurate at least in the 21st century
Managed to vote in Homesteading as Japan as just my 3rd law by the early 1840s without a civil war
Landowners obliterated
>without a civil war
Unless they changed it in a later patch it's actually better to trigger the civil war as early as possible, as long as you don't lose it that is. you instantly meiji restoration if you win and can pass all the good laws.
*savescums*
heh yea i passed homesteading that early too
cringe and non-rp-pilled
How about just avoiding the entire shit show that is Japan in the first place
alright it should NOT be this easy to win a war against Russia as Japan this early on
>no trans siberia railroad to move forces by
why not. although you wouldn't be able to enforce your demands either. because you know, no battles
Paradox will never depict the gap between europe and everywhere else so the V3 tech tree starts in about 1750
>else so the V3 tech tree starts in about 1750
The solution to this is really just not allow uncivilized nations to research, and only receive a really slow spread until they modernize
Said solution already existed in v2 but it was deemed too "eurocentric" and "problematic"
The idea that other areas of the world were on a different track of development and had to conciously westernize their institutions and culture in order to keep up with the West is white supremacy. In reality, Sokoto was only 50 years away from inventing railways on it's own.
How come they're still incapable of maintaining their own railroads today and have to get the Chinese to do it?
Chuds incapable of understanding basic social cues like sarcasm
this post is sarcastic ... r-right?
genuine morons
Explain Japan then.
>Japan pre-westernizing
Samurai hitting each other with swords and shooting each other with imported guns, completely rural and small business economy.
>Japan post-westernizing
Extremely rapid industrialization and militarization becoming the undisputed masters of asia even capable of giving major western powers a run for their money
You know who didn't westernize? China. You know who got shit on by Japan? China.
The concept of westernization may be historical, but the way it was implemented in Vicky 2 didn't make much sense.
please understand there was a very large snake coiled around their ship's engine
What a map
Oh and if anyone wants it
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3048392334
why was this post deleted?
I accidentally replied to someone so I deleted my post in shame.
based /gsg/bro
That's not me lmao please don't associate me with that freak.
>play NL
>conquer belgium and press the funny button to become new tag
>nation ruin because this also integrates the entire dutch east indies
dutchbros...
yikers
Victoria 3 scares me, it's like weed for autistic people
Has the 1.5 update saved victoria 3?
Almost. Things I'd like to see is looking at previous war stats, diplomatic plays toned down (world wars are a constant thing), balancing, an absolute shit ton of flavor and a little bit of railroading (although technically I suppose this could fall under flavor).
Not him but I'm still holding out for SOI. I played a few games a month or two ago but I'm abstaining completely now. Praise god.
Isn't SOI just the market now?
Yeah, markets are like spheres of influence from vic2. However, SOI (the first big expansion coming in spring) will add 'regional power blocs' which will be customizable for different purposes, as well as foreign investment and the ability to mess with your puppets' politics. It seems like it will be a separate kind of sphering concept on top of markets.
yes, it's gone from cookie clicker to cookie clicker
>interacting with stuff in a videogame? Outrageous
This. Although these are the type of people who watch Minecraft videos (aka the mentally dead) so it's not surprising to hear them moan.
It's not engaging unless you're susceptible to skinner boxes.
Welcome to strategy games
>remove all means of player interaction aside from building buildings
>WelCuM 2 StArtErGeY GaEmS!
>click build factory
>wait for the factory to complete
>build new factory
>repeat 1000 times because there's nothing else to do in the game
>OH NO! I NEED TO CLICK THINGS ON A GRAPHICAL UI
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS ALL I DO?!
It's better in the beta. I think by the time the beta stuff is in and tested, Victoria 3 will be ready for release.
>play V3
>just stare at construction screen for 4 hours clicking "build factory to make expensive good"
Yes, milord!
the way tech works now is that you can't catch up even as a smart nation like japan unless you cheese by building a ton of universities.
>In reality, Sokoto was only 50 years away from inventing railways on it's own.
The concept of a tech tree is simply too ingrained in video gaming. When they tried to make more realistic tech in Imperator, everyone hated it.
imperator tech sucked on release like everything else
>each tech level unlocks 3 inventions which provided all the buffs from the tech
>inventions have to be bought separately for such ludicrously high prices that half the time you unlocked a new tech level before you could afford the invention you want
>you can't buy inventions from the tech below your level unless you buy the new inventions so they show up in the UI
I just can't get over how comically fast you can turn Japan into a serfless, open-rading, recognised-great-power, presidential republic. Can be done by 1850 without abusing saves, maybe earlier.
The real fricking enemy is the endless cookie-clicker of "make more tools, to make more goods, to make more tools"
you can replace Japan with any other country here
there is no realism in PDX games
homie, on my very first run with this game, I conquered all of India as Punjab by 1851, while being a republic with universal male suffrage and economy bigger than the next 3 countries combined. This game is just a joke, but that's part of the charm I guess - instead of being a semi-serious strategy game, it went full meme territory: "What if Kokand developed railway in 1845?" and then you paint the whole world in their color.
How did you beat the UK
You DON'T go to war against it.
UK only ever gets involved if you DoW EIC directly.
The trick is to DoW countries within India that are independent and share border with EIC. Since you are unrecognised power, UK literally can't touch you, unless you first poke any of its subjects. But if you go against, say, Sind, EIC will side with Sind, without any UK support. And get its teeth smashed, because you have stronger army than EIC and can easily bolster it some more.
Rinse and repeat with other places around Indus Valley, each time carving up large chunk of EIC in the process. By the time you own 2/3 of India, go against them directly. UK is going to do frick-all. And because you pretty much ruined their business in India, they will be maybe half as strong as they should have been when you peg their ass directly. You have endless supply of manpower and can easily focus on just mil tech to keep pushing. It's laughably easy to get Brits out of India. At least when playing as China you have scripted debuffs that can ruin your day if you don't know what doing (or just get the bug with Taiping rebellion, which can't start, since your country isn't a run-down hell-hole, and the game just doesn't know what to do now). India? Just pick Punjab and roll over EIC.
Interesting, thanks for the detailed explanation and it's rather impressive you managed to do this your very first time playing the game
I'm playing Vicky since original, so that's more about how busted 3 is rather than anything else. In original, I would be lucky to survive till 1900 as Punjab, in 2 it was a big gamble to try to take over India (and one of the most common challenges). In 3, it was a walk in the park.
>I conquered all of India as Punjab by 1851, while being a republic with universal male suffrage and economy bigger than the next 3 countries combined
yea, no you didn't.
New guy took over (abandoned) Anbeeld AI mod. He is rewriting it from scratch.
https://laaxus.github.io/2023-10-10-the-beginning/
https://github.com/Laaxus/LRoAI
New mod just dropped
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3052538408
Yeah i hope he succeeds
And so, with one last little economic push and China's tumble, Japan becomes the #1 global economy in 1881
guess the hotfix is releasing tomorrow? what are those lazy homosexuals at paradox doing that it takes them 4 business days to fix a few fricking bugs
Bureaucracy
>this guy has no idea how a job works lmao, he probably just thinks the programmers can do whatever they want and just send it out live.
yea i'm a neet
The hotfix is out, pic unrelated
looking forward to a legitimate creamapi thingy to unlock v3 DLC. i checked that cs.rin site and the only available thing is some custom updater some rando made which i don't trust.
Why don't you just get a job, contribute to society, help the economy by BUYING the DLCs with your hard earned cash?
i have intense social anxiety so getting a job is off the table for now.
You should probably be committed then as I genuinely think you are a danger to the general public.
nice job hurting my feelings for no reason this is why i can't stand social interactions. the judgment is too intense.
this is character building lad, I can be much more hurtful if you like?
why do you care about creampies, I mean creamapi so much? if you want to pirate just pirate the whole thing
>paying for games
>paying for parad*x games
how cucked can you be?
if someone would create an open-source, extendible, non-woke GSG I would gladly make a significant donation
I doubt you can even pay for your own McDonald's meal let alone a game pipe down
Shut up nerds, apparently a new bug has been introduced in the new hotfix holy shit Paradox is that incompetent.
i saw oneproudbavarian's comments on this...sigh ANOTHER FRICKING REASON i won't try out the beta. this shit sucks!
Ironically the only hope its for OPB and his pal to fix this with their tweaks mod, i highly doubt Paradox is gonna release another hotfix to patch the hotfix.
OH NO! you mean to tell me a beta patch has BUGS?! This is simply unacceptable! How dare they be so incompetent!
what's wrong with wanting to play a beta without bugs
The point of releasing an optional beta test is to have hundreds of players playing hundreds of scenarios so that one of them might report a bug for you for free
Betas exist because it is not a finished product so issues such as bugs are expected. Are you really this fricking stupid?
While he said something stupid that doesn't excuse Paradox from releasing beta patches that are extremely buggy, buggy to the point that testing it is near impossible, for example how are you supposed to test immigration or even just country balance when migration is completely out of whack?
>relying on modders to fix your games
Bravo P*radox
oh FRICK OFF
Even Paradox's biggest chearleader is refusing to test it
even the shillarian doesn't want it
its over
one pissed bavarian 0_0
One day I'll have enough money to get a new computer and I'll be able to play vic3 again. I have faith, Lord. I have faith.
LRoAI fixed the formations spam bug, you can find it on Reddit
It's really impressive just how SLOW the game is now. I have an ancient Ryzen 5 1400 (i'm working on it) and still in the amount of time I could get to 1850 I can barely get to 1839.
It's hilarious how badly pdx do not test their games before putting out something
Its literally impossible to miss some of the shit they break if they played a single game
Yet people still pay for this slop where you, the user, are the tester for something they should have seen broken immediately
testing and fixing bugs costs money, why bother if morons are paying anyway?
it's clear that their "developers" are paid peanuts, they publish crap and then slowly fix some of the bugs over the next year
Redpill me on Joseon. I know Japan is fun to play because you can go all sorts of directions with it, colonizing SEA, invading China, taking Siberia, etc. What's the strat for a fun Korea game?
You have access to Chinese market, and their protection for first 30-40 years (it becomes worth less and less as time goes). You also have less shit starting laws than Japan.
In other words: you are better version of Japan with better economic prospects, and far better options for long-term development (including making China your little b***h, while still profiting off their never-sated market, to which you can haul shit overland)
Ok, I understand now. Focus on industrializing with China as a dumping ground for your products, start colonizing around 1860-70, backstab China and steal Manchuria, make it a puppet state. ???. Profit.
>steal Manchuria
Wrong.
Manchuria produces things you can already make yourself. You want areas that produce shit you don't make on your own.
The real trick is to balkanize China and keep all of its pieces as your little b***h
I reinstall Vicky 3 on occasion to build factories and pass laws, then I realise "what the frick am I doing", uninstall, and play a good game
WE
just tested the 1.5.4
still the same dogshit "game"
wars still play out the same way, random shit happens and you can kinda get a a vague idea maybe of what's going on
99% of the game is still spamming construction sectors and clicking the plus sign
Literally obsessed.
The hotfix to fix the hotfix is out
>Beta patch
>"I'm not testing this! It is literally unplayable"
>PDX: "ok, here's a hotfix, thank you for participating in our beta and we feel your feedback is invaluable"
>"I'm not testing this! It is literally unplayable"
Why are people so doomy? I don't get it. Every online gaming community is just full of these miserable rage-addicts. Very sad behavior.
The man children freaked out when they took away their toy soldiers
but the point of this beta is to re-add the toy soldiers you moron
it was never about the toy soldiers in the first place
oh look iphone troony is back
childish attempts at fitting in.
So let me get this straight: 1.4.2 is the last playable build, despite being fricked in its own way?
yeah sounds about right. personally not going to play until 1.5 is out.
I was playing 1.5.5 and everything seemed fine until Prussia declared war on Austria and austrian troops kept staying demobilized
I found a few screenshots from my India game back in late 2022
Here we are in quiet little 1837 making our first moves
1844: expanded a little and gained recognition from the UK
>Getting recognised
Literally what fricking for? It serves no fricking point at all and you are better off being unrecognised for as long as feasible
1871: we have initial India
1874: we're finally starting to boom and unite, increasing GDP over 50% in 3 years
and finally 1886 we finish the campaign by puppeting the UK, completing "An Empire Under the Pun" and just under a billion GDP
now do that by 1851
I'm not saying it's the "best possible run of all time", just a short story
now tell that story by 1851
I can't do it by 1851, but I can do this post by 8375!
wtf how
https://github.com/Laaxus/LRoAI/releases
this fixes the barrack spam
paradox released an update yesterday that fixed the barrack spam
>1881
>still have slavery
>only wealth voting
>landowners still powerful
>religious IG still powerful
>joined russia's CU
>economy is about to tank
>took me until 1880 to secure south african gold states
>2 permanent event boxes that crash my game when i click on them, presumably from when i used LRoAI's mod and removed it after the military fix
hm yea gonna restart. pretty bad for a first 1.5 run but the military shit kinda confuses me and i'm still not sure how to reliably decrease landowner power without devolving into a civil war that i probably wouldn't win because again, military confuses me.
why do you have such a huge army?
persia starts with like 50 units and instead of disbanding them i just built new units when i got new tech. but it's something i paid more attention to in the next run.
The HRE still existed 30 years prior to the start of the game. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
Technically speaking, Hansa never stopped existing. You see anyone jerking off to it or taking it serious after the year 1600?
do pops gain literacy faster in 1.5?
The funny thing is that there is no difference in gameplay between 1836 and 1936, practically no difference between having all technologies and no technologies. You're just building inputs and outputs.
maybe i'm just doing something wrong but my gdp would never be this low by this point in 1.4. 1.5 is tough or i'm just doing something moronic. also i don't know why brazil got india from britain. they got it back in like 1850 or 1860 or some shit.
Well there are a few things
#1 pops
You've got 14.6mil, you need high pops for high GDP or else you'll always just be a "top 10"
#2 army
You have a humongous navy and army, and for what? You've taken almost no land, it's dead money, either conquer or demilitarise
#3 resources
I can see coal, and tools are way in need, you need to be on top of those constantly to keep costs down and enable more construction
#4 DEBT
gold reserves are bad, you want zero reserves and instead have a bit of debt (if you can get a higher rate of return on spending using debt than the interest, you've unlocked unlimited money)
yea but i'm usually in a position to have a lot of pops and territory and huge GDP and debt by this point but i'm not in 1.5.
why do industrialists usually support poor laws?
if the poor are all centrally gathered in the Poor Houses instead of being scattered on the streets, the evil expropriators can opress them more efficiently.
reduces lower stratum political power
If the government gives poor people money, then they can buy products. Simple
Poor laws IRL were FEMA camps but real, "indoor relief" was concentration camp tier which was why people would rather freeze and starve to death.
Which was of course the intent and why the industrialists love it.
The description mentions poor houses. Which was pretty much a "work for food" type of deal, except you can't leave the house without working first. It's pretty much modern American private prison, providing manual labour for the price of a hot meal and some literal pocket change.
what's anons favorite nation to play
probably Japan or USA
That's funny, I just finished a Japan game and started a US game
The endless Reconstruction events as the US are a bit annoying
belgium or egypt
persia
>North America
UPCA. It's simply fun to do the balancing act so it doesn't fall apart
>South America
Chile is per tradition the most interesting of the lot
>Africa
Sierra Leone and I'm not even kidding.
>MENA
Morocco
>Europe
Coin toss between Krakow and Tuscany (frick Italian unification)
>Central Asia
Coin toss between Persia or Bukhara
>India
Hyderabad or Sind. Punjab is just too powerful to be fun
>SEA
Restoring Cambodia into its full might
>Far East
Korea is pretty much better Japan, and unlike China, it doesn't have problems due to having more pops than all of Europe crammed into a single state (the game just has no idea how to handle it, and even with cheats you will never build enough factories and RGOs to sustain your population)
New Africa and Haiti
I swear getting loyalists seems so hard now
Have they fixed the US Civil War yet
Kinda. It can't be cheesed as easily as it was previously. It's still incredibly one-sided and can trigger by new year of 1837, so go fricking figure. In my most recent game (as Mexico), I've got ACW start in 1838 and I've barely managed to steal Luisiana from the Confederacy, before Union utterly annihilated them. At least the Dixie got the semi-historical borders for that one, as they've got Ohio as an extra.
The big problem is still with triggers and how busted the combat resolution is, so you can still just cheese the conditions for the war. It's perfectly doable to get Confederacy contained into a single state when they pop-up, without any barracks, and just roll over them in a single "battle". At least you can't goad them with debt slavery anymore
Define "fixed"
So let me get this straight:
We are 1 year into this game post-release continous development, and we still don't have ANYTHING that affects efficiency of production - just the throughoutput modifiers. Did those dumb fricks even came clear why there are no efficiency techs and/or modifiers? And more importantly, is there any fricking mod that fixes this?
CK3 is 3 years old and basic mechanics haven't been improved despite huge flaws
you shouldn't except any deep good mechanics or improvements from pdx
Yeah, but why even not having efficiency techs from the start, and then never implement them, but instead trying to balance the economy without them.
I'm sorry, are you by chance legally moronic? Because if not, you should apply. There is a disability dole to be taken for being moronic.
Does any of the PMs decrease intake of goods? No, not replace, decrease. How about producing more goods (friendly reminder 9 out of 10 "higher tier" options produce LESS shit out of MORE resources) then? No? Then what the frick are you even talking about?
fully agree, the current system is moronic
but: it's so simple that minimum wage interns can implement it and morons who believe it's "the most realistic economic simulation ever created" are still buying DLCs, so why invest money on improving it?
... so the game doesn't collapse by 1880s due to its own shitty design.
Yes, I am aware typical customer doesn't play that long.
It's been a year and the in-game map still doesn't produce enough fish to sustain starting Chinese population, to say nothing about the rest of the world.
what are PMs?
PMs are part of the problem, not the solution. Unless we are talking about them decreasing number of workers needed (and not all enterprises do it "properly"), then PMs cause further inefficiencies, rather than improving output or at least decrease input
>just the throughoutput modifiers
Wanna hear a bad one?
There IS an output modifier in the game files, that's fully operational. Except nothing uses it for anything.
In other words: there are output efficiency mechanics. The game just refuses to use them
um then one of you guys needs to make a mod that replaces a lot of the construction mechanics with something that automatically improves output efficiency.
and do not make it OP. if GPs are consistently getting more than 300 mil GDP by the end of the game then you need to nerf the efficiency gains.
hop to it.
All it really takes is adding efficiency output to specific techs from specific techs, and then adding additional bonus as a choice during related tech events. Because this command can be specified to a single category of building (say, all farms getting a bonus from tractors being researched), or even just specific building type (say, just wheat farms getting bonus from intense agriculture)
I still think capitalist should set up their own trade routes if the state doesn't do it
wait hold up... so you guys are saying that creating demand is bad actually?
The worst thing you can do in this game is get your lower strata to 15 or higher SoL. Not so bad if you are a small fry leeching off a bigger market (say, Cape Colony or Cracow), but a horrendous spiral of death if you are one of the majors or even regional powers with few million people to feed.
15 is still kinda doable, as long as you can get silk going.
20 is where the economy just gonna crash.
... care to elaborate?
At SoL 15, your pops start to demand the following:
Luxury clothes & furniture, tea, coffee and wine (unless your country is muslim, then you are one problem less) and also services, transportation and cars
This can entirely butt-frick your country, since now 100% of your population demands goods that the game considers rare, hard to produce etc. The demand spikes so high, there is no way on earth to produce that much with your own population, especially when it comes to luxury clothes and furniture (they are an offshot of producing the regular version)
And if you somehow weather through this, SoL 20 is going to flat-out kill you, since your pops will STOP demanding:
grain, wood and fish (the last one is actually good)
And instead start to demand:
Groceries, a minimum of 10% of meat and fruits, sugar and also telephones, while variety of pre-existing needs is re-evaulated.
It is demonstrably impossible to produce sufficient amount of groceries to feed any population where lower strata starts requesting groceries. And this is their most basic need, responsible for easily third of all their needs and thus spendings. The fact they start to demand minimum ratings of meat and fruits, along with added sugar consumption means you have to compete over input resources for your food industry with just regular pop consumption.
SoL of 15 for lower strata is a death wish, SoL of 20 is being suicidal
so you're saying you should start conquering qing states in the late game to maintain demand for grain/wood/fish for the new lower strata you're recruiting
No, quite the contrary. You should unironically genocide China and India, because their populations are something the game isn't designed for and create a separate problem to too high SoL.
Namely, the game is designed with being a mid-sized, semi-densely populated European country. If you have more than 20 million pops or 30 states, the game starts coming apart on the seams. If you have more than 30 million pops, your economy will commit sudoku by early 1870s, unless you came to that population slowly and over time (so both Italian and German unification doesn't fully count).
The actual problem is as follow: you should NEVER develop entire states of your country and deliberately and intentionally trigger mass migration from them. This way, your overpopulation (again, anything above 20 mil) is kept in check. If you go to Africa and/or conquer China (or just play as China), you are making the problem ten times worse, because you suddenly have bazillion of peasants that will quickly reach SoL of 15 and frick you sideways. And it's impossible to tax all the shit to decrease demand, because you will run out of authority before you even start.
tl;dr the game is completely fricked when ti comes to big populations, and entire economic model is build on having insufficient pops, not excess ones.
My problem is there is no incentive to push me to actually improve standard of living, for most of the game it's a meaningless modifier that doesn't provide any benefit. I could imagine it being a usual metric if you as the player where attached to an entity like a political party so you had to keep it high to keep in power but your not so apart from keeping it above the minimum required what's the point.
>My problem is there is no incentive to push me to actually improve standard of livin
But it just happens on its own.
Even if we assume a hypothetical scenario where you only build military-industrial complex and no consumer economy, you will cause your population to gain income and thus increase SoL and thus get fricked.
Also, the game steadily enforces on you minimal SoL requirement to not get into an endless revolution (which is why so many AI controlled small countries end up in endless revolts by mid-1840s, as they struggle to provide even the default level), so you eventually HAVE to get SoL of at least 10 to not get fricked over. And that will force you to expand consumer goods industry, and that will ramp up your SoL anyway.
>doesn't provide any benefit
As already explained, it provides steep penalty when minimum isn't met. So it's less "do this to get bonuses", but "do this, or get fricked over entirely by peasant revolts every 3-5 months"
Yes but its too easy too raise standard of living just by playing the game normally. I have never felt a need too worry about meeting the minimum requirements, for most of the game you can safely ignore the entire mechanic
works on my economy
I don't know exactly what they're talking about but I do know a moronic thing I encountered as Greece related to being too successful.
I got into Britain's market and it was a golden age, economy was exploding, so much so that I had to conquer new land just to have the pops to work in anything I built, happiness was through the roof, everyone was getting every single good they could ever want and more, then I got kicked out of the market and my entire country just imploded because 95% of my workers refused to work jobs because they weren't being paid enough which meant noone was getting anything they needed which meant sol plummeted 10+ points across the board and everyone was angry and I couldn't do anything.
first step towards fixing the game is getting rid of "everyone is equal" principle
but doing that would be "racist" so it will never happen
>Game has actual balancing issues and poorly thought out production chains
>moron starts screeching about idpol shit
>supposed to be a historical game
>game mechanics lead to totally unrealistic outcomes
"nooo you can't complain about sub-saharan Africa building advanced industries in 1850"
this is the biggest problem about nu-paradox games: everything plays the same, the difference is just a tag and flag
Consult
If Vicky 1 allowed this, what's your problem? Other than the fact they've removed artisans from the game, God knows why. But that apparently didn't bother you.
here we go again: "b-b-b-but predecessor has also problems"
what does this has to do with the shitty state of V3?
never played V1 or V2
>is just no fricking way for this game to work
Agree with this
>Let me b***h out about things that I don't understand
>And lack the reference from previous games
>And blame it on boogeyman "radical left"
>Why are you calling me moronic?
Because you have room-temperature IQ.
Celcius.
The solution to your problem is re-introducing artisans. Except that would require a level of fine-tuning that the game will never have, since it's a half-baked from the get-go.
As such, artisans were replaced with easier to make, easier to account for factories, the same way how Vicky 1 handled production: you needed a specific building to produce specific thing. Except different buildings were making different shit and space was severely limited, so there was just no way to implement an autarky build on iron, coal, wood, grain and meat and instead uncivs were stuck with basic shit to sustain themselves.
Trade worked differently, too, so you could actually just access global market and buy whatever you needed, rather than having this idiotic trade system, where every single country has to set up separate trade routes for specific single good, and only if they have that specific producer within their range/interest.
All of which boils down to "ok, there are 5 of us, and 2 are doing graphics, while the game comes out in eight months". There is no conspiracy, agenda, ideology or whatever else you delude yourself with. It's a cost-cutting measurement of an already underfunded team of incompetent IT students
Why introduce artisans? They basically merged them into subsistence farms which works fine
>Why introduce artisans
>subsistence farms which works fine
Did you see your peasants making rifles?
How about luxury clothes?
Steel, then?
No?
Then what the frick you are even talking about?
What about like how urban centres naturally pop up we could have the same but for "small workshops" of different types, and they employ shopkeepers or something. Would that not solve the problem? Then you can just have subsistence farms making basic agricultural goods, and whatever?
Unless they provide a limited list of shit that's non-negotiable: no.
And if they have a yet another selection bar to micro-manage everything, then just fricking admit that a half-assed side project from literally 20 years ago had better grasp of goals and coding than a game made last year.
>Can micro a single corn farm in the middle of Kansas
>Can't command an army to be on the proper bank of the Black Sea
It's a feature, not a bug
There wouldn't be a selection bar, they'd be unmicroable, unupgradable (like subsistence farms). They'd be less efficient then a factory so you'd slowly see the workshops disappear over time. I don't see what the problem is with a solution like this?
>Can't command an army to be on the proper bank of the Black Sea
You can with 1.5
Sp far - you can't. It's still a single front, from Romania to Caucasus, except there is a fricking sea in the middle.
And nta, but the problem with such solution would be that it's pointless in the first place. To have an urban center, you need to have urbanisation of 100. That means your state has 20 RGOs or handful of factories. Thus, if you have those, you are nowhere in the need of the minuscule production it would offer to you, and in fact getting to it would require setting up the industry you are trying to replace. with subsistence-like production
In other words: it's counterproductive and solves shit
What the other anon have said: it's a no-go. If you need a building for this to work, it has to either be a pre-existing one, or some ultra-cheap shit that can be set up in 6 weeks tops, but scales really fricking bad. Like a poor house, or similar, and you really don't want that shit, so no abuse with getting basic resources out of thin air.
>wojak poster
Yeah, moronic it is
Also, consider this:
When the game was still in dev, they DID have a separate system for artisan production and manufactories, and then the actual industrial process of specific factories, too. It got shanked, no now all that's left are big-ass factories, or nothing at all, with no middle ground or steps between
Because out of all possible solutions, artisans were the least shitty one. The only real problem Vicky 2 had with them was their faulty demotion process, which meant they've lingered for decades, despite being constantly improverished.
>moron doubles down on being moronic
They've cut artisans out of the game, you big fricking moron, and reworked trade system. Unless you allow everyone build most basic sweatshops with minimal efficiency, there is just no fricking way for this game to work.
Now a normal person would consider such design choices to be a case of underpaid interns looking for a quick and dirty solution to loads of crunch time and playtests being removed. A moron would instead start talking about politics, because he's too dumb to realise he's observing a workload shortcut done by people who got dragged into a project that was undermanned and underfunded.
So you are saying the problem with the game is the shit you could do in OG and didn't have to do in 2, because you had artisans instead?
>I'm sorry, are you by chance legally moronic?
3 years after /qa/ lost and you are still collecting sojaks
Is this game playable now, or should I wait a few more years? I had the urge to play Victoria 2 but then remembered the clunkiness and no UI scaling
... why the frick would you need to scale the UI?
because some of us aren't using 1366x768 displays anymore
truetype fonts and scalable UI is only good thing about modern pdx engine
And as for your main question - nope, it's still fricked and at this pace it won't be ready prior to 2026, if ever. The economy kinda doesn't work on core principles, and those are hard-coded, so unless there will be some total overhaul, the game will never be playable
Wait for 1.5 and there is UI scaling
>Anon complains about Vicky 2 lack of scaling
>moron homosexual tells him to wait for a patch to 3
Is the investment pool just broken in 1.5+ or what