video games aren't getting worse. the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
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there were actually just as many bad games back then, people just didn't pretend they were any good and were thus forgotten
There were more good games actually.
>But what about loaded example Y!!
There were more good games actually.
name a good game and i can name 5 shit games from the same year
There were far more, far worse games in the past, with a far shittier standard of quality.
No matter the era, no matter the platform, you had a scant few truly "good" games that everyone will bring up and replay even today, then thousands upon thousands of titles that sit at an objective 5/10, that no one remembers or cares about. Even a lot of the "good" games back then are seen as mediocre if not terrible now.
Well that was mostly shovelware. Today the bad games are all in the AAA category, so therefore they are much more visible to most consumers. Back then people played mostly first party titles, like all the Mario games in the N64 that still get praised today. Maybe a few other games had cult followings like Glover but nobody remembers random stuff like South Park.
Glover was awesome
The difference is AAA is shit because it's heavily politicized and censored. Back in the day AAA games were the products to set up a bar for the entire industry. It's no longer the case anymore due to the recent paradigm shift that happened a decade ago in the political climate in the west and the way companies operate. They care more about investor's money than their fans these days. That is why they take investor's money by check listing their criteria without caring about their integrity. The money will run out though and things will go back to normal at some point since this shit isn't sustainable in the slightest.
>but the politics!!!
Aaaaand the Chud makes his sitcom episode appearance. The crowd is booing as usual.
Not 'politics' as in 'the current news cycle', 'politics' as in 'the policies of government'. Due to more lax laws and an overabundance of safety nets concerning bank investments, it is economically unviable for a bank to NOT throw as much money as is allowed, at every investment it possibly can find. Every successful investment scheme is profit for the bank's stockholders and every failed investment scheme is a net neutral because any potential loss is insured by government funds. Therefore banks invest in every company that exists and are willing to invest against the entire operating budget of the entire company. In many areas you see this lead to things like Chilis intentionally creating the worst menus in the world and scaring off their entire customer base and shifting their company's purpose from being a restaurant business that makes profit from selling food to customers, to a real estate industry that buys freestanding commercial restaurant locations and then asks for money to buy more. Chilis can only spend X money on food and labor to produce Y profit while the amount of commercial real estate is greater than X and the amount of profit from the real estate value inflation is greater than Y, so given near infinite money from banks they make money slower by trying to be a successful restaurant. Similarly, video games no longer need to be good, they just need to be made.
Tl;dr
Ask ChatGPT to read it for you.
he/them/xim is correct though you fricking clownfish troony
>The money will run out though and things will go back to normal at some point since this shit isn't sustainable in the slightest.
the money won't run out. it's taxpayer money
The current system of wealth consolidation and the ability to absorb what should be giant loses is pretty crazy, I guess it's something like an investment for social capital/control and the profits on media do not matter as they make it up on the 90% of their monopolies in every other industry
>Back in the day AAA games were
"Back in the day" the concept of AAA games did not really exist. You had first-party games which sort of occupied that niche but they clearly weren't always the most expensive ones or anything.
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There was much, much less shovelware back then than right now if you exclude old computer games, the entirety of Steam is a complete dump for example and modern console stores aren't a lot better, mostly because the vast majority of indies are trash and they are in huge numbers.
And the choice was so much more limited that we had more tolerance for bad games
By percentages, sure, but the pool is larger. Sturgeon's Law still applies.
this is true
nowadays any criticism is deflected by things like you are an incel, this isn't for you, let people enjoy things, etc.
so devs never improve and comoanies benefit from making shitty games with no effort
There were a lot of bad games, but no one cares because the amount of good games coming out were astronomical. AAA studios were putting out classics back to back, nowadays games take longer to come out and since theyre more expensive to make, theyre market tested and very safe. so you get less games, and less variety
its a night and day difference from 20 years ago to today
You now remember when Squaresoft was putting out multiple SSS+ tier games and a new mainline FF every single year, now it takes them a decade to make a single mediocre title.
I'd rather play a rushed game like Rastan II than play most modern games.
Well I noticed a trend of people pretending shit new games are good and that long established classics are ackshually bad
So no good games have come out since the first panel? Yeah that sounds about right.
Correctamundo
nah, people always ignore the old shovelware
more accurate
Bad old games were so common it literally crashed the market and destroyed all faith in video games. You would have to be the most moronic liberal imaginable to think modern gaming doesn't have a better ratio of good to bad games than that.
aren't there mass layoffs happening in the industry right now?
That was decades ago. It's literally been 4 decades since the crash. 4 decades of success. Dumbass.
fire emblem engage
unicorn overlord
Pennys Big Breakaway
gravity circuit
Rain Code
Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin
xenoblade 3
pizza tower
Octopath traveler 2
theatrhythm final bar line
>Bad old games were so common it literally crashed the market and destroyed all faith in video games
Overblown + only affected burgerland + when people say "old games" they're usually refering to 90s-mid 00s and not the early 80s
You're just as a moronic as the OP.
Ganker wins again
This. People are tricked into thinking the "good" current games aren't also not actually shit most of the time.
Proportions of good games to shit games are the same as they always were. You just memoryholed all the mediocre console ports of point&clicks and RPGs with shitty interface, 4fps flight simulators and racers, flipscreen platformers inspired by Jet Set Wily, Windows 3.1 puzzle games, licensed garbage, all the eyesearing CGA graphics games with earbleeding PC speaker sound and plethora of other shitgames of yesteryear that created a generation of normalgays who think growing out of video games is normal.
Yeah, but back then if you called out a game for being shit you didn't get dogpiled by everyone, the media, and the developers for being a "whiner."
The trash was allowed to be criticized. Now it's not. Unless it has some hetero sexy in it.
Both incredibly correct posts.
I wish I could go back to this time and stay there forever
I think the main issue isn't that the proportions are different, but that before the bad games were largely shovelware from literal whos, with some exceptions, with a lot of the heavy hitting developers having mostly good track records. Now though it's almost the other way around where most of the good games that come out are from literal whos and a lot of the garbage is overfunded AAA slop
Accurate
This is better but still fails to account for the fact we're getting more games than ever and yet still the ratio of good to bad games has never been worse, for example
>before 100 games release in a year and 30 are good
>people would have you believe nowadays 1000 games release in a year and 30+ are good
>in fact it's 1000 games a year and one is good if it's a good year
My "now" needs more space, because it needs to span ~3 years to accommodate the single green dot I'll find in that time frame. That's not entirely an indictment of the industry. I've also simply played enough games in my old age that everything new is exactly the same as something I've played before. And it's not like 2024 writing is salvaging the derivative mechanical designs.
cynics are gay and i'd say you should feel bad but you already got that covered
I don't understand how there are so many bad games currently.
Even AAA doesn't feel like games anymore.
>open world bullethell with RPG upgrades
>good
I'd also thousands of tiny red specs of all the shovelware we used to get back when everything needed to have a shitty cash grab game tie-in.
>my vision on color blindness
>they all look the same
This
At least post his modern incarnation
>he didn't saw it
shilling tactics go harder in current year
Nice one
clever
Also the amount of DEI is ruining the sequels, so yeah, everything is objectively worse. Indie games are saving the scene.
>DEI
HOLY FRICK???? IS THAT A BROWN PERSON?!?!!? GAME RUINED!!!!!!!
Ah yes I love indie games, can't wait to play depression platformer #49553
The shilling for every $100m budget shitter is now on the level of the last presidential campaign
Name the game.
Last of us 2
W101
elden ring and its dlc
Jack's game.
Case of the Golden Idol
Artwork seems to be repulsive on purpose, but there is a good game underneath it.
>video games aren't getting worse. the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
Then you'd expect better games from producers who can easily clear the barrier, right?
For every good game, there are six or seven bad ones that make you feel worse.
Heeere comes the airplane! Open wide!
Anon, I, can't open that wide
Here, I'll cut off little pieces for you.
That game isn't even in the list
That's really an interesting thing to say. What makes you say that? I'll accept your apology now, thanks.
I'm not playing along with your goalpost moving. Either you can play the games or you don't. Get on with your day.
>uhh name 5 good games
There's ~70
>uhh now tell me more about them (i don't know what Steam store pages are for)
No
there are no goalpost being moved
I asked for 5 good games you haven't told me about a single one yet, you just copy pasted a list of indie games you never played
Ask chatgpt to describe the games for you
tl;dr
You're just trying to force the other person to lose his time countering 70 indieslops. He's trying to get you to lose your time by describing 5.
He wins his argument regardless or not he engages with your bait. You lose yours unless you made good on yours.
He won.
Correct
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you're one blind motherfricker
That looks sick. Reminds me of arcade games like Ninja Spirit and The Legend of Kage
>at least 1/3rd are troony games
figures
can you take the time anon, for me?
edit the picture and cross on red the ones made by trannies, trany-sympathizers, or with actual troonys/gays inn them, that you know off?
I want to know
Literally not a single one of those games is better than a random PS2 game. Literally choose any PS2 game at random, it'll be better and more worthwhile than any of the games on that list.
>some of the best games ever on that list
>"Some random japslop is going to be better!"
What a colossal homosexual you are.
lol anon
lmao
>I'm a pretty chat princess! LOL! ROFL! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're the chat queen
>some of the best games ever on that list
Indie gays really believe this
>AAA games
>indie
Also, if you play Japanese "games," you might as well jump up my butt
Sorry but computah says no
Pizza Tower has that PS1 game feel.
ok
i win
I've never heard of any of these, is even one of them good?
Idk how you managed to browse Ganker last year without stumbling across a single Pizza Tower thread, anon.
Thanks for reminding me I wanted to play World of Horror.
most of that is indiegay slop but there are a couple of gems in there.
>the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
more like lower to say anything
its not about good or bad games. its about games that innovated. we saw games go from 2d to 3d and how much that changed what was possible when designing gameplay. we went from offline to online which again changed everything. every year there was a major leap where some developer figured out some new groundbreaking shit that had never been seen before. but today all we see is old concepts with new paint. when you start playing a new game today you realize you've already done this shit several times before in older games.
What you just said has more legs than it seems at first. The biggest problem with innovation being stagnant is that talented people are not attracted to work on videogames anymore. They just jump to work on some other more interesting field. You know how Carmack stopped working on videogames and went for VR or launching rockets, that happened across the entire industry.
It also perpetuates the problem explained in that Frank Zappa webm, no innovation happens so publishers think they know what players want and how videogames should be made and that there is no point in taking risks. The idea that there is some sort of status quo of vidya that should be followed gets reinforced without innovation.
good post
>video games aren't getting worse
They literally are.
I can't believe you just posted all video games anon.
Hold on
Now I did.
>Bad games didn't exist
Nostalgiagays are the worst.
>Jacksonware
Opinion discarded.
~2002 - 2014 was gaming's true dark age. We're in the renaissance right now. People who b***h about modern gaming probably think of their Xbox 360 when they talk about the "good old days." they are dudebro secondaries who actually think trash like Halo, Modern Warfare, Ass Creed, Oblivion, and Prototype were the peak of gaming.
>muh microtransactions
agreed that these suck, but gaming as a whole is better off now despite worsening monetization, than it was 10-20 years ago. you have to go back to the 90s for gaming to be in a better state than it is now. but the sieve of time makes people hallucinate into believing OP's 'thus of ould' fabrication where only good games existed. most game releases in any point in time were always shit, they just wind up forgotten after a few years.
what's your most played game ATM, zoomer?
>renaissance right now
>unity flipped sequels, reboots, and remakes
uhuh...
the dark age was more post 2007-2016
2004 is close to the greatest year in gaming
>2004 is close to the greatest year in gaming
No way. The decline was already well underway by 2004.
>Farcry, Doom, HL2
>decline
I like how you moved the Xbox 360 generation back all the way to 2002 so you could conveniently ignore the PS2 and Gamecube.
What's wrong with prototype?
AAA games are getting much worse even though the total pool of games available to play from is much higher and thus so is the total number of good games. If you dig through indies you can find enough fun to last you forever, but it doesn't change the fact that many big beloved old IPs will continue to get pissed on and that's all the mainstream will ever talk about since smaller games get no advertising or media presence no matter how good they are.
Hard to say.
ATM as in, in the past few years? Tekken 7 probably. Maybe MHW or Nioh 2. If more recent than that, idk, I've been playing Guild Wars a lot lately.
meant to reply to
You frickers don't know what a bad game is, a soulless AAA is a 4.7/10 at worst. Games nowdays just don't deliver what you'd expect from a multi-million dollar project, but they're still playable and capable of providing a burst of dopamine to your brain.
>soulless AAA is a 4.7/10 at worst
>t.every single game reviewer on the entire planet
Next time I want to read an IGN article i'll go there, begone.
videogames give you dopamine still???
what the frick are you doing here, get. go on. leave. skedaddle.
did you forget the industry died in the 80s because games were so shit no one wanted to pay for them anymore
So the average game is worse now?
Name 10 good games from the last 2 years.
I replied to the wrong post
i can’t name 2 good games in the last 10 years
If you don't listen to streamers and anons and form your own opinion, I guarantee you can find good games even in the past year.
The truth.
the red dots are too small, they should be big and attention grabbing
TPBP
There aren't 5 good games that were released over the past 12 months
homies say this and then you ask them what the 5 newest games they played were and it's like
>uhh pizza tower, elden ring, far cry 3, just dance 2011
name 5 good games from May 2023 till now
Everything here
from Vividlope onward.
It's not your fault they're making such good games.
A really neat way to kill my interest with one sentence.
>Everything here
Pick 5 and tell me about them. You are just listing all the indie crap released in 2023 (some that were probably before May too)
>Pick 5 and tell me about them.
Use your eyes, if they work, and look up gameplay footage of the ones that look interesting to you. Not really hard to tell what the genre and vibe is from the screenshots provided. Most of the work is already done for you, you lazy zoomer.
>You are just listing all the indie crap released in 2023
You grossly underestimate just how many games come out a year these days. That's part of your problem.
>(some that were probably before May too)
Are you hard of reading? Top to bottom left to right it's ordered by release dated ffs.
YOU told me there are 5 good games. Talk about them.
>moron is unable of forming independent thoughts and needs others to tell him "THIS SHIT IS GOOD!!!!"
>Are you hard of reading?
nowhere in that list it says it's ordered by release date
Talk about actual games, moron I am not interested your half-assed takes on the videogame market
Indie devs done did us good, but it's hard to find outstanding games amongst a sea of mid (but still good) games.
>most indie games are good
most indie games are asset flips that never make past EA
you're missing a ton of small red dots, hell might as well paint the entire background red
Those types of games would be dots too small to see, but yeah they'd be mostly red. Unless you think a 7/10 should be red.
The small dots are more games like Pizza Tower, Momodora, Pseudoregalia, Rainworld, Infinifactory, etc.
No.
And this is generous, I'd add at least 5 more AAA circles if there was more space.
frick
Right is how it used to be
Middle is how it is now
>barrier to entry lowers
>lower quality games get through
>games get worse
QED troon. Do a backflip
If it's harder to find good games then gaming is worse even if the good games still exist
shut up b***h
this board is filled with moronic millenials holy shit
Ganker doomers always get uppity whenever a chart is posted that BTFOs their whiny shit. They ask for good games to play and act indignant when someone actually obliges them.
Imagine the inverse of this, if a zoomer asked for good old games and I posted pic related. Would he say "Oh, you're right. Look at all these games to try I've not heard of."? Hell no, he'd double down on his pessimism and delusionally call every game here bad and continue to bait you into replying. Why? Because doomers don't play games they just post on Ganker.
>requirements: a GPU newer than 15 years ago
I said GOOD games, not goyslop, Rajesh.
>Ganker always get uppity whenever a chart is posted
most of it is just shit-stirring tier lists made by someone with bad taste so that's not surprising
You're delusional if you think literally any game made post 2012 can even wash the feet of any of the the classics on that list
why yes I do believe these indie games are better than commander keen and wolf3d
Is this some in-dev build? I played Go Mecha Ball a couple months back and thought it was really nice but this doesn't look the same.
yeah an old wip clip from X.com
And you are mistaken
>what if
thanks for your meaningless post I guess?
Don't worry, AI will solve the problem. I can't wait for my 10 year old nephew to prompt 20 games a day.
Video games have been great you're just depressed
prove it
Just look at em
>names no games
>makes no argument
no thanks I'm not going to argue about nothing with you
Not really. I can replay old games I never played on older systems and have fun. I look at modern AAA slop and I just see lame and gay.
Huh, Gankerros?
kys blacked troony
seething? It's more likely than (you) think
>see colorful dots
>think of interracial porn
Surprising that a doomer homosexual would be an actual homosexual with a israeli-created fetish porn obsession.
You're delusional if you think there were no shit old games nobody remember or cares about.
There were just less games in general.
WHERE
ARE
ALL
THE
NEW
IPs
WITH
FRESH
NEW
INNOVATIVE
GAMEPLAY
People who swear indies aren't an even worse quality ratio (compounded by the fact that 30k asset flips get released daily) are delusional trannies.
Those low-effort indie games don't even count as games in my book. It's very easy to ignore shitty indies, but shitty AAA games continue to get praised every single day.
ain't nobody is forcing you to play the bad games, honey-child. why don't you just sit down with them good indie games and let 'ol auntie fix you up some chicken 'n' waffles?
>dumb brown Black person probably hasn't actually had the culinary sex that is chicken and waffles
Then I would like to purchase some bricks and concertina wire.
Yep, literally zero bad games in the past
Video game crash? Yeah, maybe if your connector was dirty lol
>posts kino of the highest order
yep, they don't make 'em like this anymore
All of those are great except Mario Is Missing
That's the PC version of Battle for Bikini Bottom
>olden days? wasn't there muh video game crash?
you zoomies just repeat stuff without engaging a single synapse, that shit happened before the 8-bit console generation existed. what most people have in mind when they think of consoles (NES etc onward) are things that didn't exist during 'muh crash', which only actual 50 year old boomers could possibly remember.
when people say 'old games' do you think they mean literally Pong?
>Um acktually, the OP graphic clearly refers to a very specific timeframe that would make it true
>I'm going to ignore the edit and hyper-fixate on one word
>No, I insist it is you who is being moronic
>t.
>how it used to be
>I'm going to hyper-fixate on one specific period of time that's relatively very small
>No, I insist you are the one hyper-fixating on a very specific timeframe
the 2008 financial crash was the worst thing to have happened to gaming. it killed AA gaming and all creativity and risk taking in the industry
AA is coming back, but it's also being either infested by leftists and trannies, or attacked by it. See; HD2 and Stellar Blade.
then it's dead. I wouldn't mind leftist troony games if they weren't shit
I didn't mind HD2 for a long time because despite it being made by a bunch of homosexual leftie swedes, it was fun. But then the homosexuals that they are at Arrowhead decided to make too many posts about how they hate their customers while also making terrible, shitty updates, battlepasses and drip-fed content without fixing major bugs.
If that's how the industry will be, then I don't care if it crashes.
>Game popular? Already got your money, don't care if it's garbage, frick you, die. You're an incel/rightoid/blumphf supporter anyway lol racist homophobes lolololololol
>Game unpopular? You're unreasonable and asking for too much, what's wrong with you? You're just an incel/rightoid/blumphf supporter who is also a racist homophobe because this game was made by demisexual transwoman with ADHD and autism and you're an abliest bla bla bla
It's dead, man. Nothing good comes out of anything that becomes accountability-averse.
this is why I pirate nowadays. not giving these fricks my money even if the game is good. I miss when leftists actually made good shit in the 60s-00s, but now their ideology is their top priority
People back then weren't even remotely leftist, though. They were politically moderate/independent. That's why those games are being 'remade' now, so they can censor them. You think the stuff made back then could come out now and not get a cancel campaign against it?
they were ALL leftists, it's just that the pendulum has been swinging so far to the left all those leftists of the past are now evil nazi chuds. are you going to consider Spiderman 2 and Suicide Squad right wing nazi games in 20 years? most people from the 60s-00s would've been considered far left by the 50s and prior.
>most people from the 60s-00s would've been considered far left by the 50s and prior.
you are just saying random shit that you have no clue about. you're like 20, right? load of horse shit. you have no clue what you're talking about
you think these far left ideas JUST STARTED out of nowhere around 2014? it was a slow build up that started since the 60s.
>uhh i'll just switch my premise completely because I got called out for being a child
you said some complete fricking nonsense that really indicates that you've known and met very few people; likely lived an insular, cellphone and internet oriented life with anime and video games.
stop talking. you don't know what you're talking about. it gets tiresome, how prone your generation is to doing this *endlessly*, then you try to defend yourself
Since the 1860s, actually, but yes. It's been a slow build up. However the idea of a left wing political position wasn't invented by these people, and as someone who is approaching 40 and actually remembers when video games were sane; most of the people in the industry were moderates. Most people 20 years ago were moderates. Most people now are moderates. It's just that once upon a time being a political extremist was seen as 'cringe' by your generation's lingo. Being a political extremist was considered a death sentence in business, as well. You didn't espouse extremist ideas without alienating people back then. Back then you could have games about topics without people thinking you were giving tacit approval of those themes. Final Fantasy VII was not an endorsement of anti-corporate eco-terrorism.
since the 18th century actually. modern wokeism has its origin on beliefs that started with the Enlightenment. the abandonment of the church rule, abandonment of god, basedence over religion, muh freedumbs, muh human rights, and replacing traditional monarchy with liberal democracy. it's been downhill since 1792
The mainstream left of today was a moronic fringe minority of the pre-occupy wall street left. The labor and union rights portions of the old left are pretty much completely dead. They're not totally unrelated entities but they certainly aren't the same.
I don't think you know what "mainstream" means anymore.
You have legitimate MSM brainrot.
What are you even trying to say here, anon? Most people had not even heard of trans people in the 80s, now you're a pariah if you don't support trans rights.
An extremely tiny amount of people were espousing hardcore Marxist or Socialist ideas back then, and they were always considered a fringe. Also homosexual rights weren't even remotely a thing until 2004 election, and even mainstream Democrats were not running on that platform.
Yes, and?
I'm agreeing with you, Man Who Lives in House with Chirping Hallway.
Then why are you being so hostile?
I'm not.
see
Imagine being this confidently wrong as if there aren't hundreds of millions of people who can factually tell you otherwise.
see
protip:that's you
>AA is coming back
I wonder to what degree the resurgence of AA was enabled by zero interest loans, and if they're going to die off again now.
It's the AAA games that are getting worse, and the indie games are better. And that's setting a bad precedent business wise.
The first gaming crash happened because vidya was being marketed to everyone and that killed all the focus and diluted the fun. Vidya was saved by being marketed solely to heterosexual males and we then entered the age of non-stop classics. The golden age of gaming. Now vidya has completely reverted back to being for everyone and it's on its deathbed yet again. We all know what needs to be done now to save it.
The first "crash" was just the US console market which was nothing but Atari 2600 at that point. It "crashed" due to a complete and utter lack of quality control.
We're headed down that path again.
The path we are headed down is because of “quality” control
Leftistism convinces the dregs to overthrow the system by promising them that it will lower standards for them.
every game is trying to be the same open world slop instead of being different
>Games aren't getting worse bro!
>Just ignore;
>GAAS
>Lootboxes
>Microtransactions
>P2W models
>Gacha games
>Mobile games
>Ads not on in F2P games but also full price games
>Games being $70
>Games not releasing as complete products
>Overpriced DLC
>Developers using games as (Twitter tier) political soapboxes.
>Developers intentionally making female characters ugly to appease ugly women and trannies
>Developers asking out of touch Esports shitters for game design advise when they only know autistic meta of a game
>Games being built from the ground up for Esports
>Matchmaking
>Entrapment of older IPs (hey we heard you wanted a new game from our IP we hoard. Here's a sequel that is utter garbage and detached from the originals. If you don't buy it, we'll think its because you don't like the series anymore and not because we intentionally fricked up :^D)
>Openworld games with nothing on the map
>Crafting games don't need
>Developers are now diversity hires and are generally less competent
>Games being unoptimized and/or taking up several GB of space
>ToS being more exploitative
>You not owning games you bought despite buying them and no mention of renting them
>DRM is more common
>Sneaky day 1 patches to change shit like adding DRM or censoring the game
>New devs censor the game (see Skullgirls)
>moronic localization that adds memes and politics to a game that didn't have those (no I will not spend 2 years of my life learning Japanese just because gays can't do their jobs properly)
>Larry Fink has more control over games than the people who buy the games
>Fangames more often being taken down due to bogus copyright laws
>Modsites banning shit like adding American Flags to Spider-Man game (which is literally just changing a switch to Arab mode)
And much much more bullshit we have to deal with today that we didn't from 5 to 20 years ago.
people aren't telling you to ignore the shit aspects of modern gaming, they're telling you to pay attention to the good games and remember the past accurately rather than with rose-tinted glasses
Then why say "video games aren't getting worse" instead of "there are video games that are actually good today"?
Because they're not. It'd be hard to be worse than the Atari 2600 ports.
the middle is actually how it actually is like nowadays because oyu have to factor in one thing: a game can be good objectively speaking but only a few will meet your taste at the same time.
There are video games outside of console releases
Stop being so fricking brown and poor
>the barrier to entry is just getting much lower
Every good game released since 2020 has been made by a team of less than 10 people. There are zero exceptions. If you think you are naming an exception, you are actually just suffering from Stockholm syndrome by whatever shitty live service game you were about to name drop.
>how it used to be
>all good games
LOL. There was so much fricking shovelware.
Survivor bias: the post
Mm no because all series that used to be good became bad
Okay, I agree with the general premise sort of. But holy shit imagine thinking that the majority of games that came out prior to the bad times were good.
There are still good games, the real difference is genre defining games, and original games that break some part of the mold. Those are a lot rarer. Prior to 2010 you actually got new things on an almost yearly basis, but since then it's all just rehashed stuff, and at best you get a higher quality version of something that already existed. GOTY used to be paradigm shift games. There are still good games, but they stand out a lot less compared to the existing market of games you already have.
>in the past.... there were five games.... but now... now there are seventeen games...
It seems to depend on genre. Most people who are satisfied with modern gaming tend to be fans of:
>2D platformers
>action games
>arcade games
>JRPGs
Even CRPG fans have reasons for optimism, given they went through the dark age of the genre during the late '00s into the '10s.
Other genres aren't so lucky. In particular, strategy, city building, 3D platformers, Soulslikes, open world, sandbox, and FPS/shooters all hit their peaks decades ago. All of these are games which benefit from mid-size to large teams. Also the lack of genre defining or landscape changing games. The last game which caused a huge shift in gaming was PUBG and its refined version, Fortnite, and that's nearly a decade ago.
Avgn reminded people that there are old games that sucked ass
Early AVGN episodes were like flashbacks of childhood trauma I had forgotten.
>Bart vs The Space Mutants
So your point is that we have 2 more good games than usual?
That's good.
Yep. There's also the perception that some of the good games are bad games because of people ruining the fun of shit with the internet, either tinting their own perception of things by reading negativity or by spoiling the enjoyment of learning a game themselves by watching streamers and shit. Still tons of good games out there and they even run better than most old games. Don't have to make a bootdisk or frick around with memory and patches come quickly and constantly, even early access slop tends to be more stable. There are thousands of games I don't like but still a lot that I do, and when people say "BUT BUT LOOK AT THIS YEAR LOOK HOW MANY CLASSICS CAME OUT" there are still multiple good games yearly but they have less cultural impact because they're surrounded by way more competition
In conclusion, everyone is moronic but me
Name 3 good games from the last 3 years. What does good mean? It means games that have fun gameplay and no cultural Marxism.
Looks like you're ruined by the internet. Sorry for your loss, anon. Thoughts and prayers
Can't give me 3 good pure games? Vidya really is dead.
>In conclusion, everyone is moronic but me
This, except from my point of view.
People say that a lot but if you actually go look at the best games released every year it really isn't the case. For the past decade or more we're lucky if we get one good game a year.
Me and my GF played a game where we went year by year trying to guess what some of the top 10 games of each year were. After ~2010 it became incredibly difficult to even name one.
what the helL is this suppOSSed to be.
Loss
Took too long.
> They are all Red
What do you mean OP?
if anyone really doesn't think games have always been 90% bad, just skim through these and look at the sheer amount of shovelware and kusoge
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Cherrypicked examples
if you want to go by a pure numerical approach instead of factoring in things like budgets and marketing, sure.
That also means video games are, right now, worse than ever if you are going purely by numbers of worthless releases, especially if you count mobile gaming
Average gamer reacting to bad game 197X-201X
>This game sucks. I will not play it, and I will not buy it.
Average gamer reacting to bad game 202X-????
>This game sucks, but everyone else is playing it (actually bots and paid shlls) and I don't want to miss out on my seasonal FOMOpass rewards, and it's only a month since launch I'm sure they'll update it and make it better and like it was advertised.
Wtf is a fomo?
Fear of missing out
Eg. Game has season/time limited content that can never be acquired/experienced again if the player doesn't play the game during that particular window of time. Because of FOMO (fear of missing out), many players will play the game during that time even if they wouldn't otherwise because they don't want to miss out on the content.
People give a frick about time limited bullshit? Why would you care about a sharty skin or gun model or whatever?
I don't know.
Normies are moronic. They love games as a service for some reason.
Autism saved my ass and my wallet then
cause the games are made for console gays that can't afford the season pass so they have to grind out the cosmetics
Yeah, and they trick themselves into thinking those items ars valuable or whatever. If you're gonna waste your time collecting limited items, you might as well play CS:GO and get into trading so you can actually get something good out of it.
the 2nd and 3rd picture are actually the same though..?
This is such a bullshit picture. There were 10 million bad games to every good game back in the day. Shovelware was at it's absolute highest, among other things.
but modern AAA games are shovelware
You've got it backwards. The lower barrier to entry is the only way we occasionally get something playable.
Unlike the past, all of the established AAA shit today is garbage.
While you might find an occasional gem in the massive ocean of low budget trash.
Honestly, nothing has really changed except for what we call AAA.
Nowadays, many indie studios are the same size as early 2000s and 90s AAA studios.
You send their "indie" games back in time, and they'd be considered AAA.
Nowadays, AAA means instead of like 50 competent developers, it's 50 competent developers with barely any influence + 200 dumbass HR staff and managers + 20 executives that don't play video games forcing their ideas in because it will "improve profits" + 1000 Indians to outsource 90% of the work to
Forgot to mention the 500+ diversity hires in my list of people that make up modern AAA studios
you think indie devs will ever get late 6th gen-early 7th gen budgets?
anon video games have been mainstream since time immemorial
If you think about games like a cycle, it would probably be like this
>Good game
>Bad game
>Bad game
>Bad game
>Good game
What people aren't getting is that the cycle itself isn't what changed, it's the speed it revolves around. Before you could turn this wheel like a hundred times a year, now you're lucky if you get it 4 or 5 times. Game production costs so much time and money nowadays that a game can be anticipated, come out, is shit, and then you'll have to wait who knows how long instead of like a year or so, which breeds cynicism. This also means companies play it super safe so they don't waste the resources spent in making a game.
Actually nailed it.
>video games aren't getting worse.
wrong
> the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
yes, which is one of the reasons why modern games are worse than their predecessors.
>How
Ganker isn't getting worse. the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
The barrier used to be that normalgays thought this website was full of e-girl and hackers
>the barrier to entry is just getting much lower.
That barrier was completely eradicated the moment Sony made the PlayStation.
>all old games were good
what the frick are you talking about
Sure but those bad games are being made by the big companies and they spend like 10 years working on them
to be honest, the red dots should be good games, green should be bad games and blue dots should be added to represent absolute rock bottom
If you think there is alot of good games out there today, then i think you like games that appeal to the lowest common denominator which is fine; although it's limiting when you try to play actually kino games.
hey, at least green tried for a LITTLE while there even if no one appreciated it when they did
agreed about blue being dogshit tho
FTFY
The orange ones are all the ones with billion dollar marketing budgets
And those greens are actually trillion dollar gacha "games" that Ganker pretends are good and gets immediately defensive when you criticize them.
on a scale of 8.8 (literally non-functional) to 8.9 (so bought, it makes kane & lynch-era gamespot envious), how good/sponsored is YOUR favorite game anon?
can any of the gay modern game shills in this thread show which modern games were as good as 2000s games that defined the industry?
Okay, now adjust circle size for marketing budgets
The problem with modern gaming isn't so much that games are shit, but that mediocrity rules supreme. Everything feels the fricking same, I legit cannot remember the last time I played something truly original like Katamari or whatever.
>it's not getting worse, everything is just as good as it was back the-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_in_video_games
Just to name a few games:
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Pokémon Fire Red/Leaf Green
Halo 2
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Star Wars: Battlefront
Pikmin 2
Half-Life 2
World of Warcraft
The Sims 2
Metroid: Zero Mission
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
This was just a normal year in gaming. This much was expected.
yeah but we've had some absolute banger years since. 2007, 2008, 2014, 2019, 2023 just to name a few