Commander players were the only ones with creativity, value and balls. WotC tried real hard to stop them from owning the majority of playtime for the game but it has happened and their designers still don't know what the frick to do about it.
Trying to appeal to wider audiences. There's a lot of people out there who aren't into MTG that really do hate keywords. Usually something to the tune of >so if I want to play a non-rotating format, I have to keep a fricking glossary on-hand for over 2 decades of keywords???
Even the 18 evergreen abilities is too much for a lot of people, because it's too hard to remember things like "Deathtouch" = "Death if you touch it"
if this were released today you would have dozens of commandergays creaming their fricking pants and spamming posts about how to build him in their general
So how does this card work for effects that activate when the creature is summoned? Do you just bullshit it when you summon, or do you lose the effect because this ain't Yugioh and activation when flipped isn't a thing.
Look at the modern Oracle text: >{X}: You may choose a creature card in your hand whose mana cost could be paid by some amount of, or all of, the mana you spent on {X}. If you do, you may cast that card face down as a 2/2 creature spell without paying its mana cost. If the creature that spell becomes as it resolves has not been turned face up and would assign or deal damage, be dealt damage, or become tapped, instead it’s turned face up and assigns or deals damage, is dealt damage, or becomes tapped. Activate only as a sorcery.
Basically, this early card design was so out of wack with what the rules would evolve into that they just changed how it worked entirely and now it's just a shitty Morph equivalent.
Okay, so as I understand it you lose all triggered abilities when face down because it's a generic 2/2 when they would occur.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think so but I'm not sure if you're actually saying what I think you're saying. Give me a concrete example and I can say for sure.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, a morph creature, a manifest creature, or in this case an illusionary mask creature, enters as a 2/2 creature with no other characteristics. It has no color, no creature type, and no (inherent) abilities, although the rules regarding Morph are...janky, and the face down side of the card still has them when it pertains to flipping face up...whatever.
But if you play a card such as Phyrexian Dreadnought https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Dreadnought
underneath an Illusionary Mask, it enters as a 1 mana "2/2" with no abilities, but whenever the trigger for Mask would happen, it flips up. Since at the point when you flip it face up, the card isn't entering the battlefield, you don't have to sacrifice creatures, meaning you functionally just played a 1 mana 12/12 trampler with no downside.
>They put pictures of a good Fallout game on these cards so Im going to give my money to these shitty companies
have a nice day you absolutely fricking moron.
MTG was this image 10 years ago. Now the only things left are morons with more money than sense, who blindly eat up everything because consume product and get excited for next product.
You have to understand anon, the only people still playing magic in any form at this point are those too addicted to quit no matter what or those that like the direction it's taken to begin with. Everyone else got the frick out years ago.
>Play casual format >No competitive events forcing you to play with official product >Can proxy all you want with whatever art you want >Still pay out the ass for official product
Commander players are the result of government experiments to make human-cetacean hybrids.
Probably the latter. Besides, it didn't HAVE to be this way. This whole collaborating with other franchises thing could've been cool if it had been done the way that Star Wars fan set (extremely well done by the way) was handled. That is, a self-contained set or block or even format, separate from the rest of the core MTG formats and lore. Like, have a Magic: The W40k-ing, Magic: The Fallout-ing, Magic: The Lordofthering-ing and so on, each with its own isolated sets (and formats, once that's warranted by the card pool).
And if certain oldschool Legacy etc. gays wanted to play with these cards anyway like the tastelets they are, I guess WotC could've split the eternal formats into /nu/ and classic varieties (that is, with and without novelty sets). The way they handled it in reality, meanwhile, is absolute cancer and pretty much guaranteed that I will never ever spend another cent on WotC products. Used to be I did every single prerelease, Standard league and so on, now I don't even remember the last time I bought anything related outside of proxies and sleeves for home-rule EDH. Haven't played Modern online anymore either.
By the way, picrel was from 2020. Now it's not even hyperbole anymore.
I'm most interested in the energy counter precon, even though so far it seems like the least popular. Powering up an army of giant robots sounds kind of cool.
It's the least popular because the only way to build the deck is to play the precon but with a few staples thrown in and the like, 5 good energy cards from poodesh
One of those 100% being Gonti's Aetherheart, but you have to realize Blue and White are the Enter The Battefield trigger colors. The majority of energy creation is ETB triggers. Red has a vast range of ways to make you disposable artifacts as well.
I think you would honestly be better off stacking proliferate than ETB triggers.
I'd put in contagion clasp/engine and thrummingbird before any streetshitter card.
Gonti's Aetherheart gets you a minimum of 4 energy and it only cost colourless, on top of that you don't even need to sacrifice your atificats anymore to get enough energy to attack. With its actual ability in mind I can't imagine you finding a better energy card.
The big issue is most of the best energy cards are green (refiner, architect, the golgari snek, servant, hydra, etc)
Aetherstorm Roc, and Era of Innovation are difficult to refute. Of course greens great at making resources, but there are cards in those 3 colours that make energy on attack as well. And if you're using a commander damage commander like Liberty Prime having the creature that gives you an additional combat phase based on your energy is a high value piece.
>energy counters outside of green >jeskai when the single best energy counter card is golgari, the exact 2 colors it lacks
It's gonna need a lot of brand new shit to help it out
frick i guess i haven't played in that long. friends are all old now and it's hard to get a game night together. can't be assed to spend a bunch of money on MTGO/A. the last few pre-releases i went to were full of sweaty troons.
Yes and no
Infect effectively treats your enemies as though they only have 10 life, and lifegain does nothing against poison counters
HOWEVER, mixing infect with normal damage is often a bad thing, because infect counters don't actually deal damage. This means if you have a one turn swing with infect creatures, deal 9 poison, but then have no further way to deal poison damage for the rest of the game, you just wasted 9 points of damage that could have killed your opponent normally.
Infect dealing damage to creatures as -1/-1 counters is ridiculous though, also the Wither mechanic keeps the -1/-1 counters against creatures, but damage to players is treated as normal.
They redid it with toxin but it only applies poison counters to players, not creatures. It could work but most toxin stuff is like toxin 1 mites. So it really only works with proliferate and proliferate infect is already a thing most people hate playing against.
If toxin had more toxin 2 or toxin 3 it could be interesting.
Still don't understand why this card is green
I guess they prioritized basing it on Triumph of the Hordes but it also doesn't make sense why this would be an infect card to me either
Do you mean why Infect is Green or why Battle Royale was overlayed onto a Green card/used Triumph of the Hordes
I mean why did they overlay it over Triumph
I really feel like there has to be a better card they could've used that made more sense
Like how is infect related to Fortnite at all
And the art is literally a city with fire and explosions war soldiers etc...
Really seems like they should have reskinned a red or white card
Yeah, although I'd say Gruul card instead of red or white. The chaos better fits the flavor of that color combination. If I had to stab any guess at it, it's because the compounding damage you take before you're able to deliberately heal is part of a battle royale, so infect was what they chose to depict that.
That being said, the real answer is simply that they probably thought it was a good time to use that card to sell the Secret Lair drop, because said drops are all EDH fodder
could they have overlayed it over a different more flavorful card?
probably
but green is the perfect color for the depiction of a 'battle royale' (gruul perhaps even better, to depict hte chaotic element of it)
Green is about strength through natural processes, such as a battle to determine the pecking order of all involved
BRs are like determining the survival of the fittest, another green card
Nah, there at least shit happens and the finishers can be epic. Something like
I once managed to troll one of them with Lantern Control. I too was miserable by the end of it.
is actual torture (for the opponent).
Give me some weird decks or combos to play against my friends in wieneratrice.
Agree to oldschool, pre-2018 Modern and then just pick any of the fun brews made/featured by players such as Corbin 'CHosler' 'The Dick Jostler' Hosler, lil' Jim Davis, Magic Aids (formerly AIDS) or MTG Goldfish on their respective segments. There's like a million of them, most of them pretty out there. That Uncanny troony Meryn also has some wacky ideas regularly.
Personally, I'm a sucker for pillowfort/hardlock shit involving cards such as Ensnaring Bridge, e.g. The Rack. Remember, MTG is a zero-sum game. The less fun your opponent has, the more you have!
Thanks, I'll look those up. Thankfully me and my friends usually goof around with absurd decks or try out decks we actually want to buy in the future so we don't tryhard a lot.
I think one of my favorite decks is Stuffy Doll or one I made with a crazy interaction between Bearer of the Heavens, Brion Stoutarm and Worldgorger dragon, plenty of fun.
MTG is the only profitable thing Hasbro owns so they're milking the everloving shit out of it. They're desperately trying to draw in new players by destroying the game's identity.
>MTG is the only profitable thing Hasbro owns
WotC still technically owns Duel Masters which is doing incredibly well in Japan. They refuse to bring it outside Japan because it would 100% kill off MTG.
They gave up, yes. After getting bought by hasbro they just pump out an insane amount of products with no quality control now.
The reward for this? WOTC employees got fired a week before Christmas despite being the only Hasbro IP to not lose money.
A while back, they started releasing promo cards that featured alternate art and names pulled from different properties, and since it sold well enough, they've started to do entire sets based off other game's properties. They're only legal for play in Vintage, Legacy, Commander, and Pauper.
Mainline sets are doing the usual nonsense. They just did a murder mystery set for Ravnica, and the next one in a couple months is gonna be cowboys.
hasbro has lost I shit you not 1 BILLION fricking dollars in its last earnings report. The only department not in the red is mtg and hasbro believes they can milk the everliving shit out of it to keep everything else afloat. Except an internal source has already said that mtg's earnings have plateaud and theyve hit max market saturation while the royalties being paid for this crossover shit is raping them in the ass
It's just hard to ignore that it's being done because it's corporate. Some of the crossovers don't necessarily conflict with MTG's style--Mirrodin honestly could've been a Final Fantasy setting and Baldur's Gate is the definition of a perfect fit for the game--and others like 40k and Fallout have had enough effort put into them that they'd otherwise be alright. It's just that, no matter what, the very fact they exist is a statement that they're trying to exploit your enjoyment of those things for money.
>that they're trying to exploit your enjoyment of those things for money.
slightly off topic but this is why i want to strangle homosexuals that have "favorite super bowl ads." 99% of them are just "do you like thing? well here's unrelated thing that we paid to associate with the thing you like." it's so transparent it's honestly infuriating that people fall for it. i honestly lost respect for breaking bad over this one:
Similar to how I feel about Fortnite: it's so full of disparate things all stuffed in one big pile that I get nausea.
A little is fine, it's usually funny to consider it. At this point, even though the rules haven't changed, I get the feeling I no longer know what the frick I'm playing.
LOTR and D&D sets were the only good universes beyond, mostly because MTG already pulled so heavily from them they could just slip in unnoticed.
I feel like if I showed a new player 10 cards they wouldn't be able to point out the LOTR/D&D cards if they didn't know the IP.
All of the others stick out like a sore thumb.
The estate is BEYOND pozzed now. I am not making up the following papers they've been presenting in recent years:
>Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings >The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism >'Something Mighty Queer': Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Again, I did NOT make these up, these were actually presented by them.
Tolkien should have strangled his prostitute daughter (who became VC) to death when he still could. Her death in 2022 came way too late.
Haven't seriously played the game in an age so half this shit is unreadable. I'd half rather have a YuGiOh oversaturating scenario.
What does "Would You Like A...?" do as a keyword? Is a historic spell/land a new type? What on earth is a Food token?
>is historic spell/land a new type
Any Artifact or Legendary card >what on Earth is a Food token?
Artifact that you pay 2 and tap to sac it and gain 3 life >What does Would You Like A...? do as a keyword
Basically nothing. The crossover sets are full of pure slop keywords that are just a way for other cards in the set to be triggered if cards featuring a specific character use their unique effects. It really should've just been a "Signature Ability" keyword, but instead now the keyword glossary is filled with endless fricking catchphrases for each crossover.
>instead now the keyword glossary is filled with endless fricking catchphrases for each crossover.
Doctor Who adding one keyword to the rulebook isn't filling it, schizo
It's not just one keyword and it's not just Doctor Who you illiterate child molester.
>It's not just one keyword and it's not just Doctor Who
yeah it's literally 0 keywords, those things are purely for flavor and do not affect any "keyword glossary"
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Keyword_ability
https://magic.wizards.com/en/keyword-glossary
>What on earth is a Food token?
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Predefined_token
It's a series of mechanical space they like building on. Treasure is by far the most popular, but clues, food, powerstones, and maps all are common tokens now.
sorry anon but if you dont like everything being a homogenized slop that's only value is memberberries youre a stupid grog who just doesnt like other people having fun
>IPs like Doctor Who >cute white girls >doctor who >white
I have some bad news for you. Doctor Who is just as fricked as the rest of MTG is these days. More so honestly.
shut the frick up moron, of the 30 girls in the set 5 aren't white, one is a fish alien and another is insect alien
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&page=2&q=type%3Acreature+%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Awho&unique=cards
Anon, you might want to take a look at what modern doctor who actually looks like. The actual set mostly uses older doctor who which isn't what I'm talking about.
I gotta admit some UB cards are very fun to play with though
The JP set is easily one of the most fun to actually play with and strong
A lot of them are flavorful but not particularly fun
Magic confuses me SO much. How can a tcg have 5 different play styles that are semi compatible and 483948499393 variant releases every half a month? Was it designed as such initially? Did endless releases and nerfs and shit turn it into such a jumble? I wanna play but all I see is you fruits screeching about commander, standard, dildonics, w.e. it is intimidating.
it was a balanced and interesting game until about 10 years ago when WotC went full moron. they went from basically never banning cards to banning some every other week because their play testers are incompetent. during one set they play tested and found it was "all good", then five minutes after the set was released, people found an infinite combo that would've been obvious to anyone that wasn't a fricking moron. competency crisis in action i guess
>they went from basically never banning cards to banning some every other week because their play testers are incompetent
They have to ban so much shit because modern/legacy hit the powercreep point where nothing in standard would hold value after rotation since they weren't strong enough to be used in those formats. So now they have to print absurdly broken cards or nobody buys a new set.
I remember when the biggest card design error since urza's block(which was made overtuned on purpose) was skullclamp, and all that did was let you pay mana to sac weak creatures to draw. And now here we are with shit that makes that look well designed.
>old school mtg >you have your five colors plus artifacts >usually you run at most two colors in a deck maybe three, because outside of broke ass shit like moxes or dual lands in old old school mtg your mana base can't support more >formats are new shit, shit that is older but excludes the oldest shit, and all shit >rules are the same in all formats, different banlists at most >a few for fun formats exist, not super popular because the core game is fun >one style of card frame, consistently good art, cool lore and story >only 3 rarities plus holos if you want shiny bling, good shit in every rarity >3 set blocks focusing on a theme plus a core set mostly for newbies and reprints, few supplementary products beyond that
>new mtg >throw all the good shit in a pile, you have broken mana generation so who cares >50 different formats, most of them are fricking dead due to awful meta game, people had to invent their own fan format just to play the game(which was subsequently taken over and ruined too) >50 different card frames and styles, most art is painted over cosplayers >all the power is shifted into the new mythic rarity, decent cards below that are rare >no blocks, no themes, a gorrilion supplementary products >current year shit
Don't forget that every new card is printed with FIRE design, no cards are ever allowed to feel bad to cast, and thus everything you cast is an inherent 2 for 1 or even 3 for 1 in value just by hitting the board, plus being recursive from the graveyard, and even 2 drops can win the game in a few turns by themselves if left unanswered
If you look back at older card advantage tricks, they were often slow, clunky, mana inefficient, required multiple colors of mana (which was MUCH harder back then, often requiring pain lands), and situational like only being able to kill weak creatures or often doing nothing against some board states. Now there are no cards ever printed with potential downsides or feels bad moments.
Basically what I'm saying is if they reprinted Flametongue Kavu today, it would be a 3 mana 5/4 with menace, haste, the ETB would be a May instead of a Must trigger, and it would have Escape: Exile 1 Card from your graveyard. And even with these stats it would probably barely be playable.
Nah. The past sets have had dogshit cards. The power level is just too low. So much so, that we're still using the same staple rares at every tier 1 and 2 decks. And the last pws are pathetic. Even in limited.
I couldn't really say because my recent experience with looking into MTG is seeing shit like War of the spark, Eldraine, MH1+2, and LOTR completely destroy any hope of balance the game had left. Even the eternal formats have devolved into playing Standard, but with access to the staples/enablers inherent to those formats (for instance, brainstorm or force of will, fetches+duals, etc).
The only good formats left are the ones which have entirely distanced themselves from WotC. So, uhh...Pauper used to be good until a couple years ago but is now trash. Oldschool was okay to look at until their community seems to have entirely imploded due to elitism and refusing to allow people to proxy for $25,000 cards. Premodern is definitely the most fun to watch, while there are definitely top tier decks, nothing is without counterplay and it's a push and pull of which decks are in the meta. Plus people seem to enjoy just brewing crazy shit instead of netdecking meta shit.
Maybe if I get back into MTG (a 0.00001% chance), I'll find some premodern decks to play. Unlikely though.
Standard is quite low power right now. Most problematic cards have been rotated or are banned. The problem is the horseshoe effect. We went from a I WIN planeswalkwer model to planeswalkwers that no one plays. Quintorious and Kaya have to be the worst planeswalkwers ever. Even sheoldred is no longer a problem card.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Standard is quite low power right now
This may be true but I honestly couldn't give less of a shit about the current state of MTG regardless. Khans was the last good set they released, they coasted a little bit off of that good will, but by 2018-2019 I was all but checked out. Game is being milked for all that it can be before Hasbro folds like a chair.
The kavu would need to be able to be cast at instant speed and be able to target a player, possibly be able to split it's damage as you please too. Probably still wouldn't be any good. Probably would need an alternative casting cost to be.
Unironically do what I did and start off with any of the introductory Gankeridya (imagine getting back on topic) games for it such as the Duels of the Planeswalkers series. They should be easy enough to buccaneer if they're no longer available legally.
It's basically a bunch of promo products (cost like five bucks each IIRC) meant to bring new players into the game. Each usually featured some good tutorials, a campaign of pre-determined scenarios and a story (e.g. this game you play against a dragon deck on a lava plane/world, next game you play against a zombie deck on a gothic plane/world) where you would unlock new cards to edit your deck with and finally a multiplayer where you could face off against bots or players.
On an unrelated note, does anyone still remember Nazi Nissa pre-retcon?
These games featured enough variety to familiarize you with the rules and themes without overwhelming you. Once you've gotten used to those and decide that you wanna see more, you can either go for the next installment or jump directly into building/copying your own decks in actual, unlimited formats where you are no longer limited to very curated card pool. Aside from the official ones like MODO and Magic Arena, there are also unofficial, free clients to play MTG with others such as wieneratrice or XMage.
I've discussed with thousands of players at this point and I gotta agree. The basis of MTG logic is learning a decently simple programming language, and the games with prebuilts are great tutorials. The thing is coming in with a new prerelease actually gives players the chance to come in with unpredictable skillsets, though unless personally driven it's near impossible to enjoy getting your ass kicked 4 matches and getting some random set booster.
My personal opinion is going to local Commander games, some cities even host them at bars, and asking if you can borrow decks leads to the most fun. I've called over people who've known shit all about the game to a table and theres always an abundance of players who've put the deck they've built to its strongest aside to practice the new one they're making. Personally I have an advantage with them because I've learned shortcuts to teaching people to play over the years, but it really does boil down to one player just playing one and a half decks the first round, and the fresh player in full discovery mode in the second.
Well, (pre)release events themselves aside, I've found that the local Standard leagues that peeps can then enter into at their LGS are the noob-friendliest way to play Magic. Especially if they went for Sealed instead of Draft since then it's an even more level playing field and others can help them more effectively with deckbuilding if they want. If they picked shit during a draft they're more or less fricked. Although I guess they can somewhat address with the weekly booster addition.
go back to /tg/ you already ruined that entire board far beyond the point of Ganker so at least have the basic decency to stay on the shithole that you and your kind made for themselves
as someone that loved the old fallouts and played alot of mtg, i am not touching this shit. its all a dance in the flayed skins of my old favorites and the only wish available to me now is for me to look away. frick todd howard and frick wotc
Man, complain about something that actually matters, like how wotc bumped up the price of basically everything by getting rid of draft boosters and merging them with set boosters to make play boosters which are basically the worst of both worlds at a higher price point.
I can do both at the same time. I've actually created a Commander Deck that allows me to switch to decks from other TCGs. During christmas of 2019 a card was released and given to registered event holders, if you own 5 mtg selling stores but only your name is registered you only got one of these cards, you can tell how close magic is to dieing with how many of these end up on the market. The adventure ability of the card allows you to "switch your library for a deck you own outside the game" and I've checked with rules lawyers, it doesn't stipulate it has to be a MTG deck, though cards are declared as MTG products in the rules, decks aren't and it's a silver boder anyways.
By playing a manifest card I'm able to play cards from any other TCGs including these One Piece cards and since Manifest stipulates "playing the next nonland card" all One Piece cards are nonland. Allowing me to mechanicly put them into the playing field.
>they went from basically never banning cards to banning some every other week because their play testers are incompetent
They have to ban so much shit because modern/legacy hit the powercreep point where nothing in standard would hold value after rotation since they weren't strong enough to be used in those formats. So now they have to print absurdly broken cards or nobody buys a new set.
Horseshit. Standard bans used to be a rare event, after a certain point it became the NORM, not the exception. As in, they had more sets with bans than not.
QRD, anons? I hhaven't touched MTG in something like four or five years now (since Eldraine). How much more pozzed has it become in that time frame? Last thing I remember hearing about was Black person Aragorn.
They released a viking set that was like 65% black people
You might've also seen Black Gandalf and the Smaug card where they literally did the Ganker meme of the black dude sticking his hand at the bottom corner of the art
>Black Gandalf
LMAO, no, I haven't. Are you fricking with me?
>we wuz maiar n sheeit!!!
Blackgorn was about as pozzed as it's gotten. The current problems are more about the gameplay going to absolute shit because Modern Horizons 2 basically killed Modern and they keep fricking up Standard and refusing to fix it. In fact, they delayed rotation so that it could stay fricked up longer. And they're planning on whoring out to 3rd party IPs even harder because the Commander players eat that shit up and Hasbro desperately needs the cash.
>Blackgorn was about as pozzed as it's gotten.
Color me surprised. I would've for sure expected them to go even harder on the homosexualry and troonery front for example.
>MH2
Ah, right, I guess I kinda witnessed that, too. That was around the time I stopped watching YouTubers as well. What percentage of tier 1/1.5 decks ended up using MH2 cards again prior to a few half-hearted bans? 100%? Didn't pretty much everything (only slight exaggeration) outside of combo ones run that artifact-fetching, token-creating enchantment land for example?
>the Smaug card where they literally did the Ganker meme of the black dude sticking his hand at the bottom corner of the art
never post this meme in the /tg/ mtg generals, last time it triggered an autists to spam 600+ posts across 2 threads to explain that he is not a newbie for not knowing this meme
Blackgorn was about as pozzed as it's gotten. The current problems are more about the gameplay going to absolute shit because Modern Horizons 2 basically killed Modern and they keep fricking up Standard and refusing to fix it. In fact, they delayed rotation so that it could stay fricked up longer. And they're planning on whoring out to 3rd party IPs even harder because the Commander players eat that shit up and Hasbro desperately needs the cash.
modern white spells could use a little mass calcification of its own
>/vg/'s arena thread is finally kill >no where to talk about mtga
oh well guess im moronic for recently getting invested in game everyone vocally hates
I mean, what the frick is there to talk about? How fricking awful Standard/Historic/Alchemy is? You cool new turn 1 combo in Timeless?
maybe at least new sets and mwm. im having fun trying to abuse cloak.
is true that you're playing against the same 3 decks 80% of the time due to daily mission slaves.
>/vg/'s arena thread is finally kill >no where to talk about mtga
oh well guess im moronic for recently getting invested in game everyone vocally hates
I love me some busted cards. Back when I dipped my toes into online Porkyourmoms for a while I absolutely played the shit out of that, at the time, barely regulated format where you could do that one combo that allowed you to win by sending all your opponents 'mons back to their hand in the same turn, kek. Them were the days.
It actually got to a point where (in mirror matches) people would decide the outcome by whoever played first, i.e. conceding if they went second. This made grinding as an F2Per mad easy. There even was an "honor" list on the forums that listed players who abided by that unspoken rule and those who didn't (i.e. whom you wouldn't concede to if you went 2nd because those gays didn't do so when it was them who went 2nd against others).
Hahhh ... good times indeed. I should probably see if I can still access that account since I actually traded my shit prior to all the bans that followed for some rare eternal format equivalent shit. Like Power 9 cards, basically. Or at least fetch lands.
no reason to talk about it, you either pay piggie up to the gacha lords for cards or run meta pick draft 24/7 to actually get currency to play the normal game (which sucks)
>mt gag is kill
Good riddance to be quite tbh
Frick that game and frick that general. I regret every second I spent with Arena, goddamn skinner box of a timesink.
Still have some screenshots though. Here's this Izzet meme I used to play. It was fun when it worked it very rarely worked
I'm still seething they killed off best girl just to shill the Black person kaya AGAIN. It's not just the state of the cards that suck, the lore is fricking terrible now too
I've never felt understood the difference between Black person and black person better than seeing Kaya and teferi. I hate Kaya so much. And in arena you have to keep seeing her smug mocking face.
i genuinely can't believe they didn't release this with a "bear" token. like of all the fricking pussy moves to do, you release this and don't give a matching token? if you're going to go this far, go the entire fricking way.
i hate homosexuals but I would've bought at least 5 of those fricking tokens purely to play them without the actual homosexual version of the card to piss people off.
You get banned on /tg/ for posting this card in a Magic thread... the absolute state of that board.
You also get banned for talking about how Seb Mckinnon got ostracized by Wizards for supporting the trucker's protest or for pointing out the connection between Sweet Baby and Wizards.
A company that tells you where you should add more diversity in your product according to the feelings of minorities
They literally get paid by multibillion dollar companies to scream at them for being chuds and how problematic a movie/game is
I'm making a Dominaria Remastered Cube right now. I had gotten a booster box cheap and hoped to open all the good commons/uncommons and staple rares. I opened two Mystic Remoras and 2 FoWs and all in all a shit pool for a cube
>start trying to milk the moron make pretend format where you dont even need real cards >then instantly bend the knee and become your primary consoomers
commandergays are moronic
It really is a pretend format, isn't it? >moronic deck building rules
Bruh, highlander was cool because it was a challenge to use a highlander deck on T2. If you have access to 99% of the cards, there's enough redundancy. It's not a fricking challenge. And everyone runs the same moronic meta cards like Sol Ring. >moronic in game rules
The Commander is moronic. Commander damage is moronic. >moronic meta rules
No having fun. No board wipes. No being powerful, but not being quirky either. >moronic players
commander is fricked on every level >4 player so its 120 life to chew through >start with 40 life >singleton
its like even shittier vintage where you have less control of the game and anything except combo is dogshit >but if your casual its fun!
then why not play a game where you arent putting a car downpayment for a single deck?
i always hated casual commander with friends because you either realize you've lost in the first five turns and everyone gets butthurt if you scoop or the game goes on forever and someone wins because of some state irrelevant to the last 50 turns of the game
A staple of the format is group hug decks so you've obviously got an uncreative collection of friends. Quest for the Janklord is a series where the players are only allowed to play with cards that cost a dollar or less. If you don't have the ability to travel city to city for events it's a decent window the basics of the meta of the genre.
And people play like morons on purpose to keep the game going.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's commander, you don't have cards that can turn the game around just by a decent topdeck? If a mono red player does something stupid to keep the game going he might have a World Fire in his library. Seems like you just have a bad understanding of things past your personal circle of play.
>and anything except combo is dogshit
illiterate Black person
3 months ago
Anonymous
What do you mean by combo? Commander is about 65 individual cards. Like actually having a collection of cards that interact with your commander? How the hell else would you expect to combo? What a shitty argument, throw a Mirage Mirror in almost any fricking deck, there a both literal and mana cheap, non combo, card that balances the strength of your deck.
ya, this is the card that broke woke for magic, what a shame since Innistrad was the best set they ever made. Magic had a few good years left after this before the eventual spiral downward
at the time mtg had it's own official forum too and I believe the heated discussion about the artwork on this card led to the company eventually shuttering it because it wasnt worth their time to keep it moderated
>most fun
No such thing but here are some honorable mentions: >Burn
Dabbing on people with a braindead deck like Burn (inb4 "MUH HIGHLY CEREBRAL DECISION MAKING") is always fun just for the sheer seethe is causes.
>Tron
See picrel.
>Lantern Control
I love wasting people's time and few decks do it as well as Lantern, especially since it takes quite a while until you are DEFINITELY dead on board. That minuscule chance that MAYBE, just maybe, three or four relevant answers will be on top in a row keeps people from scooping in positions where they are probably but not definitely done for.
is this what zoomers call decks like sligh or can you actually do 20 damage with only spells now and it's not "I've been playing for 2 weeks now and this is my red deck" and no not channel fireball.
>sligh
Isn't it time for your afternoon nap already, grandpa?
Burn has been a tier deck forever. And while yes, you technically can deal 20 with only a bunch of 3 damage sorceries/instants, virtually all variants run a couple hasty {R} creatures such as Goblin Guide or Monastery Swiftspear as well for that (potential) recurring damage.
On a side note, it should be noted that most Burn decks these days don't expect to have to deal 20 damage on average anymore but more like 18 or even less due to fetches and shock lands and shit.
Buy four now, sell one in a month, then sell two of the remaining ones a week before the Final Fantasy set comes out.
If you ever choose to sell the last one, then wait until a week after the Marvel cards come out.
>slivers are now Predators (hated by everyone so much that WotC actually reverted this change) >Slivers only affect your own board now
WotC doesn't even know the fun of playing table top magic with your bros and spending two hours painstakingly mapping out combat math involving 20 slivers, then missing one interaction that results in a vastly unexpected board state.
I have no doubt Hasbeenbro would've switched to AI-only art by now if not for the same Tw*tter trannies that they are catering too being firmly anti-AI because "MUH HUMAN EXPRESSION, MUH TRAINING DATA THEFT, MUH SOULLESS CAPITALISM" and so on.
Why? 'Cause it as "-führer" in it? That's just a regular German word and only somewhat offensive if used on its own, i.e. Führer. As a pre- or suffix it's a word like any other.
That aside, it's a typical, shitty, literal translation of the English card name. For all I know it's Wokies of the Coast who are to blame for this but cards really should be localized, not translated. Especially when they end up this clunky.
Then I don't what you're rambling about with that "baby babbling tier" comment.
Überlebensleitfaden might be slightly longer, but it's what a human german would say.
>what a human german would say
It is probably indeed more common but "-führer" isn't exactly an usual choice to translate "guide" (e.g. Reiseführer). But as you admitted, it's longer and German is already less succinct than English which makes this doubly hard given the limited space.
Wrong. Commander is the reason MTG hasn't had a gutting of corporate that would cause dramatic design changes and would more than likely remake all of WotC. It's a cash cow of an anorexic bull.
no, frick off
commander is the reason we get tons of shitty crossover garbage and commanderbait cards in standard
also secret lairs are THE commander slop
moron what I'm saying is without Commander Magic would have had to make dramatic changes to how it operates in order to remain. They make these awful crossover pieces of shit because they know it will sell. It allows them to be unprofitable in all other aspects, which is why they are also bleeding it into other formats, to try and make them long term profitable as well.
>had to make dramatic changes to how it operates in order to remain
yeah, they would have to do extraordinary things like making it balanced, obeying the color pie and creating original settings and lore
thankfully we have commander and they can just open their anuses wide and take a big fat shit. the paypiggies will lap it up and ask for seconds
You could have looped it with the blue fairy that same set that gives you a extra roll and forces the higher number as the pick but then you hit critical mass and get stuck in a infinite where you roll 20s every time and cant end delina's attack step trigger. it was never meant to work in standard. i also tried
3 months ago
Anonymous
ya, i played her with the fairy and barbarian roll
sometimes you could meme the combo out
often times you just lose becasue the deck is a glass cannon
and SOMETIMES you could get the combo going and it would just fizzle despite an insanely high odds roll because arena just wants to frick with you
3 months ago
Anonymous
at least i got to meme with tamiyo + blind mice for POPULATION BOMB gimmicks before i uninstalled arena
If you have the money, then play Raging River as well.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Only if I get to Shahrazad as well.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Only if both of our decks are hug decks. Make the suffering last until someone chickens out and surrenders.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>If you have money
You mean "If you know which chinks to pay for a proxy".
sligh is a faster deck that only uses 1-3 cost cards. rdw goes up to like 5.
>rdw goes up to like 5.
RDW is a catch-all term for any fast, aggressive, low mana curve deck, dummy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
rdw would use cards like ftk. sligh wouldn't. both are less funny than ponza because of the seethe ld causes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>RDW decks generally use small and cheap creatures on early turns to quickly diminish the opponent's life total. If the creatures are not enough, burn spells are used to finish the opponent off. The burn spells also double to remove blockers. RDW decks differ from Sligh in that they don't play Land Destruction cards (as Land Destruction cards are typically weak in Modern Standard formats). The deck generally attempts to use all of its available mana during every single turn and to win the game somewhere around turn 5–6.
You know you can just change your opinion when you find out that you're wrong, right?
I'm not sure what century you're from but FTK hasn't been played in any constructed deck since, like, 2001.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>sligh >ld
wtf where did you even find this shit from?
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe that anon or the person he's quoting it from is confusing land destruction, with Price of Progress, a common sideboard card in sligh lists
but who fricking knows he's clearly full of shit if he thinks sligh has ever meaningfully ran LD cards, and no putting in a few counters to tron back when that was mandatory is not the same as having an LD game plan.
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe that anon or the person he's quoting it from is confusing land destruction, with Price of Progress, a common sideboard card in sligh lists
but who fricking knows he's clearly full of shit if he thinks sligh has ever meaningfully ran LD cards, and no putting in a few counters to tron back when that was mandatory is not the same as having an LD game plan.
The MTG wiki. I don't know if your newfriends or something but the original Sligh ran a playset of Strip Mines, I'm assuming that's what that refers to.
Anyway, point being that RDW beyond the 90s was always low MC. No one's playing something as pointless and expensive as FTK in it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
*you're
3 months ago
Anonymous
okay but literally every fricking deck in existence was running a playset of strip mines in 95-96 because the card is obscenely broken. maybe you count port as well even though port isn't LD, but denial?
and no shit FTK was not a part of sligh, but RDW is a "variant" in the sense that it is red and plays red cards and wants to win with red things, it's like calling elves a stompy variant because it's green and uses green mana to play green cards and wins with big damage
"RDW" is a moronic name to begin with but it's gone through so many variants that splinter off it, whether it was blood moon/chalice prison, or chandra torch of defiance midrange control, I even saw some people using that moronic "count to 7 sorceries/instants" enchantment in "RDW" lists
sligh is as classic as burn decks get and though modern cards have pushed the power level up, it really is the quintessential "I win by turn 4 or I scoop" deck where their curve ends at 2
RDW often plays as a midrange deck where it can either try to outrace other control decks via goblin rabblemaster, or slow the game down against aggro decks with moon/bridge/chalice and then rely on a slow but grindy wincon such as Chandra or Klothys
3 months ago
Anonymous
As I said before, no one but boomers calls it "Sligh" anymore, grandpa. It's Burn. And in Standard, for instance, RDW almost exclusively refers to aggressive strategies. Some borderline control-ish deck with a PW like Chandra wouldn't be RDW just because it is red and ... tries to win.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>zoomers misuse terminology and then insist that they're in the right
many such cases
3 months ago
Anonymous
>calling a deck consisting of primarily burn spells "Burn" is ... le wrong
moron.
Is there any fun mtg game to play online with friends? I don't mean shit like mtgo or arena I'm talking about some old PC abandonware I was playing yugioh power of chaos the joey and whatever and that was prime boomer card game experience for me and want somwthing similiar but mtg I know about shandalar and whatever but it doesn't have any online play
am i a scrub if i sincerely miss 2015-2018 modern, especially all the live GP coverage by SCG and CF
its breaks my heart to just constantly experience amazing things and see them ripped away from me and pozzed into destruction
You wanna feel even worse? Look at the Theros block. Look at the Hero's Path, the last and greatest BLOCK-wide multi-stage event. I started playing with it. Every set since then has been depressing
>I started playing with it.
Same, Born of the Gods right here. Dropped paper again after that and only went to my LGS again with Kaladesh. Kept playing online tho'. Dropped it again when the woke shittery started ramping up and will probably never return to my LGS for it as things stand. I still might go for board games however.
Nowadays I play maybe two pre-releases a year, with an extra couple of limited events if I like the set or it's chaos.
A majority of my MtG spending nowadays is the occasional single to put in a binder because I like it, like its art, or I think I could make a good deck with it if I felt like deckbuilding again. The rest is for my Jumpstart cube.
It's also the best TCG period in terms of gameplay, silly. Its success lay in its multi-domain competency, from art to lore to game mechanics to economics. I know people, for instance, who only got into it because of the gambling aspect of cardboard crack.
Give it to me straight, anons: I have a sealed booster set of Throne of Eldraine that I got duped into buying at (what was then) a discount. Is this ever gonna appreciate in value or should I just sell now and recoup my losses?
You're probably fricked honestly. https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Aeld&order=usd&as=grid shows there's only two cards that are worth enough to bother selling, and both are mythics. Korvold and Chulane are both from the Brawl precons, they aren't even in the booster box. https://www.mtgstocks.com/sets/331-throne-of-eldraine estimates the average EV of a booster box to be $100, but that's incredibly swingy based on whether you get the few mythics that are worth a damn, and that value is also inflated by uncommons that are technically a buck or two but are an absolute pain to sell. The only thing I can say is it's unlikely to get worse, as the money cards are things that they're not going to reprint or stuff like The Great Henge where there'll always be timmies who want one.
What I'd honestly recommend is just getting 4-8 buddies together and fricking about with a draft or two. You've already spent the money, you're unlikely to recoup more than $50, and you might get lucky.
Remember that the average takes into account every card, even though anything under $1 is usually not worth the hassle to sell it and the price that it costs to buy is far less than the price you can sell. Unless you get lucky with your mythics you're going to lose money cracking packs even if you liquidated 100% of it afterwards. It'd be worth more sealed so some other sucker takes the bait.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU HAVE HOUSE RULES
Bet you're a gay little homosexual who netdecks among friends and get assmad if no one wants to play with you and your boring-ass T3 win list. Find some other spectators for your masturbatory shenanigans, loser.
>w-w-what...? what do you mean you discard cards from my hand? this-this is against the commander rules we set up on discord! I...I just can't....*raises white card with STOP sign for everyone to see* Time out, time out, I need...I just need to...*sob* this is triggering me guys...this is seriously so bad....*sniff*
Maybe your troony friends do, I've never seen or even heard of anyone IRL doing this.
>make deck to win >"YOU FRICKING TRYHARD NETDECKER"
?????????
Once more for your moronic ass: The issue is the kind of deck that makes all games revolve around you and your gaylord combo deck which everyone else either has to hate the frick out of, warping what's supposed to be a fun, casual back-and-forth, or see all rounds end by T3/T4.
Feel free to play that shit with other fedora-wearing, neckbeard-growing, deodorant-fearing sweatlords but don't expect to get invited again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
maybe you should run some interrupts or removal instead of shitting your pretty little panties?
why are commander players so moronic?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Reread
Maybe your troony friends do, I've never seen or even heard of anyone IRL doing this.
[...]
Once more for your moronic ass: The issue is the kind of deck that makes all games revolve around you and your gaylord combo deck which everyone else either has to hate the frick out of, warping what's supposed to be a fun, casual back-and-forth, or see all rounds end by T3/T4.
Feel free to play that shit with other fedora-wearing, neckbeard-growing, deodorant-fearing sweatlords but don't expect to get invited again.
, Black person. Bet you're the kind of untermensch to run GosT in Tiny Leaders, too.
3 months ago
Anonymous
damn, you're so right
we should let every special and unique and powerful commander player do their own thing and not rock the boat! that way everyone wins! except if that player runs mass removal or mill or hand discard! then we should pile on the fricker!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Keep knocking down those strawmen, anon, we're all *very* impressed.
Captcha: VDAWG
3 months ago
Anonymous
what strawmen? everyone and their mother says that commander players are fragile morons that don't even like playing MtG unless they houserule a dozen things
just admit that my posts made you legitimately angry
3 months ago
Anonymous
Your moronic assumptions did. I don't know who "everyone and their mother" is supposed to be but your silly assertion doesn't fit what I've seen over the past two decades with my own two eyes.
If your environment is filled with such pussies, sucks to be you, I guess. I've yet to meet even 1 (one) such playgroup.
Every commander house rule set ever:
1. Your not allowed to stop my combo, if anything stops my combo even coincidentally I get to ignore it.
2. You are not allowed to target my lands, manlands, or birds. This also includes mana artifacts.
3. If you play a boardwipe I will cry. If you draw more than 3 cards on a turn I will cry. If you get a storm off I will cry. If I die first at the table I will cry. If I cry the game is over and you must all go home.
4. We are only allowed to proxy cards that make decks overpowered, but you aren't allowed to combo with them.
5. Have fun. I needed to get this off my chest.
>no bro we follow the official ruleset of the rules committee, you can play anything that they say is good >what do you mean you didn't draw sol ring in your opening hand? hahah bro sucks I guess I'm gonna have eight mana on turn two while you have a single untapped swamp
edh was more fun when it was casual
and no I don't mean the "strict" line between cedh and tabletop commander
I mean before every fricking homosexual metaslaved the same staple cards in every god damn deck and wizards started printing precons with obscenely broken straight-to-commander cancer cards like Edgar Markov and True Name Nemesis
now it's like oh boy everyone's running dockside extortionist I wonder how much fricking mana people will have by turn 3, maybe 30? 40? 60 fricking mana? god damn who even knows
>refuses to play interaction >dies to a overcosted janky combo that isn't competitive
Again, tardnon, this is about lil' pissybabies who are mad they don't get to play whatever degenerate netdeck they found online. No one here is defending house rules that are meant to protect people's fee-fees by banning board wipes et al.
i just want to play old cards again
modern and the game itself is already pozzed by merchants so idk what kinda argument thats supposed to be
the game is run by merchants
>i just want to play old cards again
So go make a cube.
>modern and the game itself is already pozzed by merchants so idk what kinda argument thats supposed to be
The kind argument that points out that card-hawking israelites repeatedly tried to artificially inflate demand by making up an arbitrary format out of nothing that makes no sense in the first place and is dead on arrival, just to sell their $0.01 cards for more than literal pennies.
>dirt shoebox technique
I know you're talking about proxies but what's that supposed to mean?
Remember that the average takes into account every card, even though anything under $1 is usually not worth the hassle to sell it and the price that it costs to buy is far less than the price you can sell. Unless you get lucky with your mythics you're going to lose money cracking packs even if you liquidated 100% of it afterwards. It'd be worth more sealed so some other sucker takes the bait.
>It'd be worth more sealed so some other sucker takes the bait.
That would be my plan regardless. Probably easier to pull of IRL, too, as that has the added attraction of not involving shipping. But for that I'd probably have to shill it at my LGS (which I'd have to keep on the down-low for obvious reasons).
>dirt shoebox technique
NTA but I assume its how people faked documents in the past, put on a shoebox with some bugs and it will make the paper seem dated, looking legit
it's more to give yourself some line of defense when the neckbeard sitting across from you calls a judge for a deck check because your legacy dual lands look a little bit too pristine, and he feels slighted that you'd come to the table with your $50 deck against his $5000 one.
at least if they're scuffed you can have a more reasonable argument for buying them second-hand or having inherited them from someone else, so you "didn't know" they were proxies
3 months ago
Anonymous
Has this happened at all in, like, the history of ever? You think a judge is gonna desleeve your Power 9 and pull out a israeliteeler's loupe because some neckbeard claims that they smell fake to him?
3 months ago
Anonymous
There are enough stories about that exact thing happening that I'm sure some of them actually happened.
While I haven't personally gone to legacy/vintage events because I don't give enough of a shit about it, all the time I played draft and standard put me close enough to some people that I would not doubt for a SECOND would pull this kind of bullshit.
>I know you're talking about proxies but what's that supposed to mean?
MTG cards, especially old ones, are extremely easy to make counterfeits. So you could build something like an entire legacy deck for extremely cheap. If you make the cards look a bit old/dirty then you'll never get caught. Having a deck full of perfect condition dual lands would be the only thing that would make it noticeably fake.
basically get a proxy put it in a shoebox with some dirt and shake it about. depending on the cards age. if it's really old do it for a while. nothing screams fake more than a pristine vintage played card lmao. for added fakeness try to get the cheapest version of a card and only do it for a bit to make it slightly played. if it's cheaper in other languages get it in those languages.
why the frick is it when I make custom cards, they go unnoticed and ignored with no replies, but when someone else does it, they get swarmed with attention. literally every fricking time.
Ninjutsu is essentially shit, but you could probably play it kitchen table or casually without issues. If you really want to be a fricking meme, make it Izzet and pretend you're playing RDW for the first 2 turns or so. All you need is a way to generate treasures (red has plenty of this) and you can ninjutsu your 1/1 flying weenie out for hilarity. You'll still lose, but your opponent will think you're cool.
LMAO, this was so accurate at the time. Especially with Smuggler's Copter. Except for bolting a Goyf in the end game, who the frick does that? Fetch, Bauble, Inquisition. There, 3/4 on T2.
>Except for bolting a Goyf in the end game, who the frick does that?
i just included 2 of the emblematic modern cards i could think of in 1 sentence. ive never played modern and i never will.
i wish i had the original pdn file to prove i made it but i dont. might be on my old HDD but its not connected to my PC
i never really played other formats aside from cube and EDH. they all seemed like massive money drains unless you already have cards you can use to trade around for new cards. i made another awful paint drawing depicting how i viewed the game in general, the one with the EDH & cube safety bunker
If you aren't trolling, what do you think of [...] 's edit?
i havent played edh in like 3 years now. i dont remember what broke the camels back but i remember my interest waning after the walking dead shit came out. it also doesnt help that the new cards are just boring for the most part, like they play everything super safe with derivative value generators. i cant fricking believe they managed to make frank horrigan boring
i wish i had the original pdn file to prove i made it but i dont. might be on my old HDD but its not connected to my PC
i never really played other formats aside from cube and EDH. they all seemed like massive money drains unless you already have cards you can use to trade around for new cards. i made another awful paint drawing depicting how i viewed the game in general, the one with the EDH & cube safety bunker
[...]
i havent played edh in like 3 years now. i dont remember what broke the camels back but i remember my interest waning after the walking dead shit came out. it also doesnt help that the new cards are just boring for the most part, like they play everything super safe with derivative value generators. i cant fricking believe they managed to make frank horrigan boring
but yes i forgot to say it more or less encapsulates why i'm not interested in EDH anymore. a part of me wants to get together with my group and play all these stupid as frick cards but i don't want to give hasbro money (and also the game looks boring now due to the EDH player pandering value creep)
>Legendary creature - human, soldier >Enlist
(As this creature attacks, you may tap a nonattacking creature you control without summoning sickness. When you do, add its power to this creature's until end of turn.) >Whenever a creature you control attacks, if it enlisted a creature this combat, the creature that attacked gains Double Strike until end of turn. If that creature's power is 4 or more, draw a card.
At least they got the nose right, lol
>in the set
It's not like the D&D, LotR, or the upcoming Final Fantasy sets, it's like Warhammer 40k and Dr. Who, Commander decks with overpriced alt-art booster packs and some secret lairs that'll most likely have <$2 of value.
Honestly Magic is a whack game, I only play Magic because of "the gathering", that is because I want to hang out IRL and play Commander. If there was a better 4 player TCG I'd jump ship in a heartbeat. Universes Beyond, and power-creep have changed this game so much in the past few years. Compare how Magic was just prior to War of the Spark versus now, it's like a completely different game. Also, Magic Arena is a bad game client, I personally started playing Master Duel instead.
Ah yes, I too was new once.
That's not an issue, that's called variance and adds a whole new level of complexity to the game. It's much harder to decide whether to keep or mull a hand.
Sorry but your opinions on game design will be discarded from now on.
>personally started playing Master Duel instead
So true sis I hekin love master drooler is much wholesome then gayrena because it has 1 format with 3 viable decks and isn't even up to date with paper yass slay I love bots being 75% of my player base
>marrying a filthy knife-ear
I'm sorry that I can't do anything to help you with your chronic degeneracy, anon.
Just know that when you come to your senses, we'll be here to help you recover.
no one care
commander players are mentally ill
nobody cares about legacy
Commander is Magic at this point
Standard is dead
Pioneer is Standard 2
Modern is to hoover up whale money with new MH sets
Your format is irrelevant
Commander players were the only ones with creativity, value and balls. WotC tried real hard to stop them from owning the majority of playtime for the game but it has happened and their designers still don't know what the frick to do about it.
>STOP TRYING TO HAVE FUN WITH OUR PRODUCT
i hate wotc
>no one care
I care, ESLnon.
No. Fricking. Way.
>Captcha: TYRAN
(off by a letter)
>nobody cares about legacy
Can't imagine why
Unironically looks very healthy
Why are nu magic cards so fricking wordy
that's a reprint from an old card anon
>2021
>old card
the frick are you talkinga about moron? the card is from 2011
Mantle of the Ancients was first printed in Forgotten Realms Commander in 2021. Take your moron pills, moron.
puresteel paladin is from 2011
The "modern cards are too wordy" post was directed at Mantle.
Bro?
Trying to appeal to wider audiences. There's a lot of people out there who aren't into MTG that really do hate keywords. Usually something to the tune of
>so if I want to play a non-rotating format, I have to keep a fricking glossary on-hand for over 2 decades of keywords???
Even the 18 evergreen abilities is too much for a lot of people, because it's too hard to remember things like "Deathtouch" = "Death if you touch it"
to buff Alexander Clamilton obviously
at least that's a joke card
if this were released today you would have dozens of commandergays creaming their fricking pants and spamming posts about how to build him in their general
god you anticommander gays are some of the lowest degenerates in the genre. Motherfricker Unfinity was released just last year
>nu magic cards
Anon, I ...
So how does this card work for effects that activate when the creature is summoned? Do you just bullshit it when you summon, or do you lose the effect because this ain't Yugioh and activation when flipped isn't a thing.
Thats an ETB trigger, not an activated ability.
Look at the modern Oracle text:
>{X}: You may choose a creature card in your hand whose mana cost could be paid by some amount of, or all of, the mana you spent on {X}. If you do, you may cast that card face down as a 2/2 creature spell without paying its mana cost. If the creature that spell becomes as it resolves has not been turned face up and would assign or deal damage, be dealt damage, or become tapped, instead it’s turned face up and assigns or deals damage, is dealt damage, or becomes tapped. Activate only as a sorcery.
Basically, this early card design was so out of wack with what the rules would evolve into that they just changed how it worked entirely and now it's just a shitty Morph equivalent.
Okay, so as I understand it you lose all triggered abilities when face down because it's a generic 2/2 when they would occur.
I think so but I'm not sure if you're actually saying what I think you're saying. Give me a concrete example and I can say for sure.
Yes, a morph creature, a manifest creature, or in this case an illusionary mask creature, enters as a 2/2 creature with no other characteristics. It has no color, no creature type, and no (inherent) abilities, although the rules regarding Morph are...janky, and the face down side of the card still has them when it pertains to flipping face up...whatever.
But if you play a card such as Phyrexian Dreadnought https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Dreadnought
underneath an Illusionary Mask, it enters as a 1 mana "2/2" with no abilities, but whenever the trigger for Mask would happen, it flips up. Since at the point when you flip it face up, the card isn't entering the battlefield, you don't have to sacrifice creatures, meaning you functionally just played a 1 mana 12/12 trampler with no downside.
>pay royalty fees out the ass for an IP
>only use it to make alt arts
no wonder this company is going under
>>only use it to make alt arts
They aren't only making alt arts though, they are just filling in the gaps with existing cards, really.
>he wants UB commander decks to be nothing but new cards
You're somehow more incompetent than WOTC.
I hate enchantments so frickimg much
Kneel to the might of Caesar...
He's in..
I'm hoping he's the alt commander and is good
You wouldn't a robot....
I can't wait to shove a Colossus Hammer in this deck for maximum fun time
>mono W
>Colossus Hammer
Already sounds like jank. (Almost) no infect, no reliable card draw, no (good) protection etc.
>mono white
>no reliable card draw
What were you in for?
War has changed.
It's no longer about factions, colors, or types. It's an endless series of proxies, fought by commander players and investors.
Idk whats more depressing
this shit even existing or /edhg/ eating this slop up
Cope. They've paid respect to the good Fallouts. All I need to know to whale out.
Luv me Magic
Luv me Fallout
Simple as
You've no idea how far Magic has fallen. I still play it, but it can be difficult
>caesar's we ran out of name space
They should just say "frick it" and cram the words in there, the effects are trending towards novels so why not the names too
>Luv me Magic
>Luv me Fallout
Holy Based
I don't really care about any of the cards, but I will soi out about them.
>They put pictures of a good Fallout game on these cards so Im going to give my money to these shitty companies
have a nice day you absolutely fricking moron.
its been subsumed into their identity
To quit now would be figuratively suicide
Magic as a property is dead
It's either UB or death, and death doesn't make WOTC money
israelites killed it just like anything else good
MTG was this image 10 years ago. Now the only things left are morons with more money than sense, who blindly eat up everything because consume product and get excited for next product.
You have to understand anon, the only people still playing magic in any form at this point are those too addicted to quit no matter what or those that like the direction it's taken to begin with. Everyone else got the frick out years ago.
>Play casual format
>No competitive events forcing you to play with official product
>Can proxy all you want with whatever art you want
>Still pay out the ass for official product
Commander players are the result of government experiments to make human-cetacean hybrids.
/edhg/ existing because they are very, very gay
Probably the latter. Besides, it didn't HAVE to be this way. This whole collaborating with other franchises thing could've been cool if it had been done the way that Star Wars fan set (extremely well done by the way) was handled. That is, a self-contained set or block or even format, separate from the rest of the core MTG formats and lore. Like, have a Magic: The W40k-ing, Magic: The Fallout-ing, Magic: The Lordofthering-ing and so on, each with its own isolated sets (and formats, once that's warranted by the card pool).
And if certain oldschool Legacy etc. gays wanted to play with these cards anyway like the tastelets they are, I guess WotC could've split the eternal formats into /nu/ and classic varieties (that is, with and without novelty sets). The way they handled it in reality, meanwhile, is absolute cancer and pretty much guaranteed that I will never ever spend another cent on WotC products. Used to be I did every single prerelease, Standard league and so on, now I don't even remember the last time I bought anything related outside of proxies and sleeves for home-rule EDH. Haven't played Modern online anymore either.
By the way, picrel was from 2020. Now it's not even hyperbole anymore.
/edhg/ was always very mentally ill but now that place is just something you quietly pity
those losers are worse than WoW addicts
What's not to like, Chud? This is the Golden Age of Magic!
>don't forget to, and I cannot stress this enough, make him a fat frick with Twitter troony hair
The absolute state ...
impressive how exactly the magic artist followed the prompt
>Winota loses her arm to her beast companion while this fat frick Twitter abuser loses nothing
ok cool, now where the hell is the final fantasy set
2025.
I'm most interested in the energy counter precon, even though so far it seems like the least popular. Powering up an army of giant robots sounds kind of cool.
You could familiarize yourself with energy counters before it drops. It's not a new mechanic so you could play around with it.
It's the least popular because the only way to build the deck is to play the precon but with a few staples thrown in and the like, 5 good energy cards from poodesh
One of those 100% being Gonti's Aetherheart, but you have to realize Blue and White are the Enter The Battefield trigger colors. The majority of energy creation is ETB triggers. Red has a vast range of ways to make you disposable artifacts as well.
I think you would honestly be better off stacking proliferate than ETB triggers.
I'd put in contagion clasp/engine and thrummingbird before any streetshitter card.
Gonti's Aetherheart gets you a minimum of 4 energy and it only cost colourless, on top of that you don't even need to sacrifice your atificats anymore to get enough energy to attack. With its actual ability in mind I can't imagine you finding a better energy card.
Aetherstorm Roc, and Era of Innovation are difficult to refute. Of course greens great at making resources, but there are cards in those 3 colours that make energy on attack as well. And if you're using a commander damage commander like Liberty Prime having the creature that gives you an additional combat phase based on your energy is a high value piece.
The big issue is most of the best energy cards are green (refiner, architect, the golgari snek, servant, hydra, etc)
>energy counters outside of green
>jeskai when the single best energy counter card is golgari, the exact 2 colors it lacks
It's gonna need a lot of brand new shit to help it out
>mtg is fortnite now
It's been this way for 2 years already
And it has been a worthless abomination since.
Add a couple more years. The Godzilla crossover came out in 2020 and so did The Walking Dead.
Crossovers are one thing, but that's *literally* Fortnite
frick i guess i haven't played in that long. friends are all old now and it's hard to get a game night together. can't be assed to spend a bunch of money on MTGO/A. the last few pre-releases i went to were full of sweaty troons.
i guess it's over. rip in peace
>infect
okay it's been YEARS since I've touched MTG but isn't a card that gives all your guys infect fricking broken?
It's a $15 uncommon from 2011.
Yes and no
Infect effectively treats your enemies as though they only have 10 life, and lifegain does nothing against poison counters
HOWEVER, mixing infect with normal damage is often a bad thing, because infect counters don't actually deal damage. This means if you have a one turn swing with infect creatures, deal 9 poison, but then have no further way to deal poison damage for the rest of the game, you just wasted 9 points of damage that could have killed your opponent normally.
Infect dealing damage to creatures as -1/-1 counters is ridiculous though, also the Wither mechanic keeps the -1/-1 counters against creatures, but damage to players is treated as normal.
Throw in some semi-reliable proliferation and you're the biggest c**t at the table
They redid it with toxin but it only applies poison counters to players, not creatures. It could work but most toxin stuff is like toxin 1 mites. So it really only works with proliferate and proliferate infect is already a thing most people hate playing against.
If toxin had more toxin 2 or toxin 3 it could be interesting.
when every card is broken
no card will be
Objectively wrong. That's about as imbecilic as saying "If everyone's bleeding, no one's bleeding".
>If everyone's bleeding, no one's bleeding
this is objectively true brainlet
hello
Yes it is good, but it's mostly used in EDH as a finisher, that is why it's a 13 years old uncommon that's still 15 bucks
Still don't understand why this card is green
I guess they prioritized basing it on Triumph of the Hordes but it also doesn't make sense why this would be an infect card to me either
It's a reprint of Triumph, not a new card that does the same thing.
I mean why did they overlay it over Triumph
I really feel like there has to be a better card they could've used that made more sense
Like how is infect related to Fortnite at all
And the art is literally a city with fire and explosions war soldiers etc...
Really seems like they should have reskinned a red or white card
they want to sell to fortnite kids and they want to sell to collector whales trying to pick up staples. it's a double whammy
Yeah, although I'd say Gruul card instead of red or white. The chaos better fits the flavor of that color combination. If I had to stab any guess at it, it's because the compounding damage you take before you're able to deliberately heal is part of a battle royale, so infect was what they chose to depict that.
That being said, the real answer is simply that they probably thought it was a good time to use that card to sell the Secret Lair drop, because said drops are all EDH fodder
could they have overlayed it over a different more flavorful card?
probably
but green is the perfect color for the depiction of a 'battle royale' (gruul perhaps even better, to depict hte chaotic element of it)
Green is about strength through natural processes, such as a battle to determine the pecking order of all involved
BRs are like determining the survival of the fittest, another green card
Do you mean why Infect is Green or why Battle Royale was overlayed onto a Green card/used Triumph of the Hordes
>Some random chick with a katana from the Walking Dead set has 1/1 more than a power armoured paladin
>magic is now about le pop culture
Pure fricking vomit
Give me some weird decks or combos to play against my friends in wieneratrice.
If you want to make them miserable you can play dice factory.
I once managed to troll one of them with Lantern Control. I too was miserable by the end of it.
Nah, there at least shit happens and the finishers can be epic. Something like
is actual torture (for the opponent).
Agree to oldschool, pre-2018 Modern and then just pick any of the fun brews made/featured by players such as Corbin 'CHosler' 'The Dick Jostler' Hosler, lil' Jim Davis, Magic Aids (formerly AIDS) or MTG Goldfish on their respective segments. There's like a million of them, most of them pretty out there. That Uncanny troony Meryn also has some wacky ideas regularly.
Personally, I'm a sucker for pillowfort/hardlock shit involving cards such as Ensnaring Bridge, e.g. The Rack. Remember, MTG is a zero-sum game. The less fun your opponent has, the more you have!
Thanks, I'll look those up. Thankfully me and my friends usually goof around with absurd decks or try out decks we actually want to buy in the future so we don't tryhard a lot.
I think one of my favorite decks is Stuffy Doll or one I made with a crazy interaction between Bearer of the Heavens, Brion Stoutarm and Worldgorger dragon, plenty of fun.
I haven't played MTG since Theros
Did they just give up? Or is this an un-set joke product
MTG is the only profitable thing Hasbro owns so they're milking the everloving shit out of it. They're desperately trying to draw in new players by destroying the game's identity.
>MTG is the only profitable thing Hasbro owns
WotC still technically owns Duel Masters which is doing incredibly well in Japan. They refuse to bring it outside Japan because it would 100% kill off MTG.
It may be doing well but is it profitable? Because those are two completely different things.
Hasbro only cares about the later.
It's the second highest selling TCG in japan and has a successful mobile game version. I'd say that's looking pretty damn profitable.
They brought it here twice, and it flopped both times.
They gave up, yes. After getting bought by hasbro they just pump out an insane amount of products with no quality control now.
The reward for this? WOTC employees got fired a week before Christmas despite being the only Hasbro IP to not lose money.
>Did they just give up?
Yes. All they do is spam cross promotion shit now.
A while back, they started releasing promo cards that featured alternate art and names pulled from different properties, and since it sold well enough, they've started to do entire sets based off other game's properties. They're only legal for play in Vintage, Legacy, Commander, and Pauper.
Mainline sets are doing the usual nonsense. They just did a murder mystery set for Ravnica, and the next one in a couple months is gonna be cowboys.
Ikoria with the godzilla cards was the ground zero.
>cowboys
>murder mystery
>we want the Hearthstone audience
hasbro has lost I shit you not 1 BILLION fricking dollars in its last earnings report. The only department not in the red is mtg and hasbro believes they can milk the everliving shit out of it to keep everything else afloat. Except an internal source has already said that mtg's earnings have plateaud and theyve hit max market saturation while the royalties being paid for this crossover shit is raping them in the ass
you tell me
>too surgery
???
breasts Off Operation?
isn't there an MCU block coming up? not just a single set but several
They don't do blocks anymore. It might be multiple sets or just a single large set with commander decks. Same as LotR and presumably Final Fantasy.
>Fallout
>Final Fantasy
>Baldur's Gate
>Street Fighter
I like Magic and I love those games so why does the combination make my skin crawl?
Because its soulless, you can tell its just corporations dangling keys in your face hoping you'll give them money.
Same reason you don't pour orange juice on a slice of bread
>he's never made juicetoast
this shit looks like a custom magic set, the art is so dogshit
sold their soul to become the fortnite of card games
It's just hard to ignore that it's being done because it's corporate. Some of the crossovers don't necessarily conflict with MTG's style--Mirrodin honestly could've been a Final Fantasy setting and Baldur's Gate is the definition of a perfect fit for the game--and others like 40k and Fallout have had enough effort put into them that they'd otherwise be alright. It's just that, no matter what, the very fact they exist is a statement that they're trying to exploit your enjoyment of those things for money.
>that they're trying to exploit your enjoyment of those things for money.
slightly off topic but this is why i want to strangle homosexuals that have "favorite super bowl ads." 99% of them are just "do you like thing? well here's unrelated thing that we paid to associate with the thing you like." it's so transparent it's honestly infuriating that people fall for it. i honestly lost respect for breaking bad over this one:
Similar to how I feel about Fortnite: it's so full of disparate things all stuffed in one big pile that I get nausea.
A little is fine, it's usually funny to consider it. At this point, even though the rules haven't changed, I get the feeling I no longer know what the frick I'm playing.
Because it is brand dilution, which is destructive to the integrity of an IP.
LOTR and D&D sets were the only good universes beyond, mostly because MTG already pulled so heavily from them they could just slip in unnoticed.
I feel like if I showed a new player 10 cards they wouldn't be able to point out the LOTR/D&D cards if they didn't know the IP.
All of the others stick out like a sore thumb.
>Return of the Kang
This is a WOTC issue, not a LOTR one.
it's a LOTR issue because they had to approve it
The estate is BEYOND pozzed now. I am not making up the following papers they've been presenting in recent years:
>Gondor in Transition: A Brief Introduction to Transgender Realities in The Lord of the Rings
>The Lossoth: Indigeneity, Identity, and Antiracism
>'Something Mighty Queer': Destabilizing Cishetero Amatonormativity in the Works of Tolkien
Again, I did NOT make these up, these were actually presented by them.
Tolkien should have strangled his prostitute daughter (who became VC) to death when he still could. Her death in 2022 came way too late.
I skipped lotr completly due to how stupid turning everyone black was (minus arwen ofc, cause they need a multiracial couple to follow the agenda)
holy shit you people are pathetic hahaha oh man
The only pathetic one here is you. Consoome more, cattle.
I bought the Fourth Doctor deck and I don't even care what anyone has to say. A 100 card deck in 2023 with no black lesbians in it.
Haven't seriously played the game in an age so half this shit is unreadable. I'd half rather have a YuGiOh oversaturating scenario.
What does "Would You Like A...?" do as a keyword? Is a historic spell/land a new type? What on earth is a Food token?
A historic spell/land is legendary, artifact, or a Saga (a new type of enchantment)
A Food token is an artifact token you can sacrifice to gain life.
>is historic spell/land a new type
Any Artifact or Legendary card
>what on Earth is a Food token?
Artifact that you pay 2 and tap to sac it and gain 3 life
>What does Would You Like A...? do as a keyword
Basically nothing. The crossover sets are full of pure slop keywords that are just a way for other cards in the set to be triggered if cards featuring a specific character use their unique effects. It really should've just been a "Signature Ability" keyword, but instead now the keyword glossary is filled with endless fricking catchphrases for each crossover.
>instead now the keyword glossary is filled with endless fricking catchphrases for each crossover.
Doctor Who adding one keyword to the rulebook isn't filling it, schizo
It's not just one keyword and it's not just Doctor Who you illiterate child molester.
>It's not just one keyword and it's not just Doctor Who
yeah it's literally 0 keywords, those things are purely for flavor and do not affect any "keyword glossary"
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Keyword_ability
https://magic.wizards.com/en/keyword-glossary
>What on earth is a Food token?
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Predefined_token
It's a series of mechanical space they like building on. Treasure is by far the most popular, but clues, food, powerstones, and maps all are common tokens now.
>A 100 card deck in 2023 with no black lesbians in it
That's only because it's the fourth doctor instead of modern doctor who.
It's fricking hilarious the Doctor Who sets are the least pozzed decks in modern Magic considering what became of it on TV
I miss things having their own identity and being their own thing.
sorry anon but if you dont like everything being a homogenized slop that's only value is memberberries youre a stupid grog who just doesnt like other people having fun
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
They added another crossover to magic?
Tolaria west has fallen, billions must scy.
Theres a new crossover every 5 months.
>this is an official mtg card
when I see shit like this or the Dr who cards on the table I feel like quitting magic
Crossovers with IPs like Doctor Who is the only way we'll get cute white girls on MTG cards again.
behold the face of nu magic
I wish Kinnan was reskinned as someone normal looking because he's a good simic card
>IPs like Doctor Who
>cute white girls
>doctor who
>white
I have some bad news for you. Doctor Who is just as fricked as the rest of MTG is these days. More so honestly.
I know. I'm talking about franchises with sizeable pre-pozzed era content.
shut the frick up moron, of the 30 girls in the set 5 aren't white, one is a fish alien and another is insect alien
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&page=2&q=type%3Acreature+%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Awho&unique=cards
Anon, you might want to take a look at what modern doctor who actually looks like. The actual set mostly uses older doctor who which isn't what I'm talking about.
Ever since Chibnal became show runner, dr who became a series for homosexuals and morons. Like Disney SW.
Stop talking, I want to be angry.
5 non-whites are 5 too many.
Not a price worth paying. Also ...
>Peri Brown
>Brown
kek
No one's preventing you from altering the card (yet). Unless it's too sexy, that's a big no no. Except when it's a guy(gay).
all of the birds around make her look like giantess
>/r/BirdsForScale
Yes, yes, pl*bbit bad, let's pretend it doesn't exist.
I gotta admit some UB cards are very fun to play with though
The JP set is easily one of the most fun to actually play with and strong
A lot of them are flavorful but not particularly fun
mtg jumped the shark when they added mythic rares and dumbed down the rules so mogg fantatic couldn't trade with an x/2.
removing damage from the stack was a good thing
brainlet
Only morons disliked damage on the stack and mana burn.
Nah, they jumped the shark when they changed the way damage redirection works (especially in regard to PWs). Made some cards outright unplayable.
Magic confuses me SO much. How can a tcg have 5 different play styles that are semi compatible and 483948499393 variant releases every half a month? Was it designed as such initially? Did endless releases and nerfs and shit turn it into such a jumble? I wanna play but all I see is you fruits screeching about commander, standard, dildonics, w.e. it is intimidating.
it was a balanced and interesting game until about 10 years ago when WotC went full moron. they went from basically never banning cards to banning some every other week because their play testers are incompetent. during one set they play tested and found it was "all good", then five minutes after the set was released, people found an infinite combo that would've been obvious to anyone that wasn't a fricking moron. competency crisis in action i guess
It was a balanced and interesting game until Throne of Eldraine included a homosexual elf who turned the game into a 3/3 elk
nah it was busted before that. i was referring to kaladesh which is when the "OOPS SORRY GUYS" bans really started.
I loved Kaladesh but the biggest mistake was the cat and planeswalker, and then banning the cat instead of the planeswalker
>they went from basically never banning cards to banning some every other week because their play testers are incompetent
They have to ban so much shit because modern/legacy hit the powercreep point where nothing in standard would hold value after rotation since they weren't strong enough to be used in those formats. So now they have to print absurdly broken cards or nobody buys a new set.
I remember when the biggest card design error since urza's block(which was made overtuned on purpose) was skullclamp, and all that did was let you pay mana to sac weak creatures to draw. And now here we are with shit that makes that look well designed.
>I remember when the biggest card design error since urza's block(which was made overtuned on purpose) was skullclamp
affinity
for
artifacts
they didn't even ban ravager. just disciple. I thought it was a great example of developers understanding their own game.
Well Skullclamp still is a pretty good card isn't it
skullclamp is op till this day. It still is the best draw outlet for token decks.
It's also banned in most formats. In fact it was the first banned card since the Urza's shit I mentioned.
skullclamp was just an oopsie, they tunnel visioned so hard on the -1 being a downside they forgot to think about how it would interact with x1's
Affinity itself was fine, the artifact lands were the real problem
>old school mtg
>you have your five colors plus artifacts
>usually you run at most two colors in a deck maybe three, because outside of broke ass shit like moxes or dual lands in old old school mtg your mana base can't support more
>formats are new shit, shit that is older but excludes the oldest shit, and all shit
>rules are the same in all formats, different banlists at most
>a few for fun formats exist, not super popular because the core game is fun
>one style of card frame, consistently good art, cool lore and story
>only 3 rarities plus holos if you want shiny bling, good shit in every rarity
>3 set blocks focusing on a theme plus a core set mostly for newbies and reprints, few supplementary products beyond that
>new mtg
>throw all the good shit in a pile, you have broken mana generation so who cares
>50 different formats, most of them are fricking dead due to awful meta game, people had to invent their own fan format just to play the game(which was subsequently taken over and ruined too)
>50 different card frames and styles, most art is painted over cosplayers
>all the power is shifted into the new mythic rarity, decent cards below that are rare
>no blocks, no themes, a gorrilion supplementary products
>current year shit
Don't forget that every new card is printed with FIRE design, no cards are ever allowed to feel bad to cast, and thus everything you cast is an inherent 2 for 1 or even 3 for 1 in value just by hitting the board, plus being recursive from the graveyard, and even 2 drops can win the game in a few turns by themselves if left unanswered
If you look back at older card advantage tricks, they were often slow, clunky, mana inefficient, required multiple colors of mana (which was MUCH harder back then, often requiring pain lands), and situational like only being able to kill weak creatures or often doing nothing against some board states. Now there are no cards ever printed with potential downsides or feels bad moments.
Basically what I'm saying is if they reprinted Flametongue Kavu today, it would be a 3 mana 5/4 with menace, haste, the ETB would be a May instead of a Must trigger, and it would have Escape: Exile 1 Card from your graveyard. And even with these stats it would probably barely be playable.
Nah. The past sets have had dogshit cards. The power level is just too low. So much so, that we're still using the same staple rares at every tier 1 and 2 decks. And the last pws are pathetic. Even in limited.
I couldn't really say because my recent experience with looking into MTG is seeing shit like War of the spark, Eldraine, MH1+2, and LOTR completely destroy any hope of balance the game had left. Even the eternal formats have devolved into playing Standard, but with access to the staples/enablers inherent to those formats (for instance, brainstorm or force of will, fetches+duals, etc).
The only good formats left are the ones which have entirely distanced themselves from WotC. So, uhh...Pauper used to be good until a couple years ago but is now trash. Oldschool was okay to look at until their community seems to have entirely imploded due to elitism and refusing to allow people to proxy for $25,000 cards. Premodern is definitely the most fun to watch, while there are definitely top tier decks, nothing is without counterplay and it's a push and pull of which decks are in the meta. Plus people seem to enjoy just brewing crazy shit instead of netdecking meta shit.
Maybe if I get back into MTG (a 0.00001% chance), I'll find some premodern decks to play. Unlikely though.
Standard is quite low power right now. Most problematic cards have been rotated or are banned. The problem is the horseshoe effect. We went from a I WIN planeswalkwer model to planeswalkwers that no one plays. Quintorious and Kaya have to be the worst planeswalkwers ever. Even sheoldred is no longer a problem card.
>Standard is quite low power right now
This may be true but I honestly couldn't give less of a shit about the current state of MTG regardless. Khans was the last good set they released, they coasted a little bit off of that good will, but by 2018-2019 I was all but checked out. Game is being milked for all that it can be before Hasbro folds like a chair.
The kavu would need to be able to be cast at instant speed and be able to target a player, possibly be able to split it's damage as you please too. Probably still wouldn't be any good. Probably would need an alternative casting cost to be.
Unironically do what I did and start off with any of the introductory Gankeridya (imagine getting back on topic) games for it such as the Duels of the Planeswalkers series. They should be easy enough to buccaneer if they're no longer available legally.
It's basically a bunch of promo products (cost like five bucks each IIRC) meant to bring new players into the game. Each usually featured some good tutorials, a campaign of pre-determined scenarios and a story (e.g. this game you play against a dragon deck on a lava plane/world, next game you play against a zombie deck on a gothic plane/world) where you would unlock new cards to edit your deck with and finally a multiplayer where you could face off against bots or players.
On an unrelated note, does anyone still remember Nazi Nissa pre-retcon?
These games featured enough variety to familiarize you with the rules and themes without overwhelming you. Once you've gotten used to those and decide that you wanna see more, you can either go for the next installment or jump directly into building/copying your own decks in actual, unlimited formats where you are no longer limited to very curated card pool. Aside from the official ones like MODO and Magic Arena, there are also unofficial, free clients to play MTG with others such as wieneratrice or XMage.
Uh, just noticed that I somehow didn't put the Nissa question at the very end. Oops.
I've discussed with thousands of players at this point and I gotta agree. The basis of MTG logic is learning a decently simple programming language, and the games with prebuilts are great tutorials. The thing is coming in with a new prerelease actually gives players the chance to come in with unpredictable skillsets, though unless personally driven it's near impossible to enjoy getting your ass kicked 4 matches and getting some random set booster.
My personal opinion is going to local Commander games, some cities even host them at bars, and asking if you can borrow decks leads to the most fun. I've called over people who've known shit all about the game to a table and theres always an abundance of players who've put the deck they've built to its strongest aside to practice the new one they're making. Personally I have an advantage with them because I've learned shortcuts to teaching people to play over the years, but it really does boil down to one player just playing one and a half decks the first round, and the fresh player in full discovery mode in the second.
>programming language
Reminder that MTG is Turing complete.
Well, (pre)release events themselves aside, I've found that the local Standard leagues that peeps can then enter into at their LGS are the noob-friendliest way to play Magic. Especially if they went for Sealed instead of Draft since then it's an even more level playing field and others can help them more effectively with deckbuilding if they want. If they picked shit during a draft they're more or less fricked. Although I guess they can somewhat address with the weekly booster addition.
go back to /tg/ you already ruined that entire board far beyond the point of Ganker so at least have the basic decency to stay on the shithole that you and your kind made for themselves
as someone that loved the old fallouts and played alot of mtg, i am not touching this shit. its all a dance in the flayed skins of my old favorites and the only wish available to me now is for me to look away. frick todd howard and frick wotc
Man, complain about something that actually matters, like how wotc bumped up the price of basically everything by getting rid of draft boosters and merging them with set boosters to make play boosters which are basically the worst of both worlds at a higher price point.
uhm uhm uhm what are you fricking poor you brownoid? Cant afford the 15$ booster pack featuring 1 less card than last year?
I only play the One Piece TCG like a normal human being
I can do both at the same time. I've actually created a Commander Deck that allows me to switch to decks from other TCGs. During christmas of 2019 a card was released and given to registered event holders, if you own 5 mtg selling stores but only your name is registered you only got one of these cards, you can tell how close magic is to dieing with how many of these end up on the market. The adventure ability of the card allows you to "switch your library for a deck you own outside the game" and I've checked with rules lawyers, it doesn't stipulate it has to be a MTG deck, though cards are declared as MTG products in the rules, decks aren't and it's a silver boder anyways.
By playing a manifest card I'm able to play cards from any other TCGs including these One Piece cards and since Manifest stipulates "playing the next nonland card" all One Piece cards are nonland. Allowing me to mechanicly put them into the playing field.
>t. that kid
>When the event holder is that kid
>Warm Piss
>normal human being
lol
lmao even
Horseshit. Standard bans used to be a rare event, after a certain point it became the NORM, not the exception. As in, they had more sets with bans than not.
i havent played since they released battles but lemme take a wild guess at the meta. atraxa stagnating any deck variation in standard?
QRD, anons? I hhaven't touched MTG in something like four or five years now (since Eldraine). How much more pozzed has it become in that time frame? Last thing I remember hearing about was Black person Aragorn.
They released a viking set that was like 65% black people
You might've also seen Black Gandalf and the Smaug card where they literally did the Ganker meme of the black dude sticking his hand at the bottom corner of the art
>the Smaug card where they literally did the Ganker meme of the black dude sticking his hand at the bottom corner of the art
Dat draygon done stowl mah gowld n shiet
its still hilarious seeing the redditors on /tg/ running defense for wotc taking the nordic inspired set be overwhelmingly black
We wuz ohdeens n shiet
>Black Gandalf
LMAO, no, I haven't. Are you fricking with me?
>we wuz maiar n sheeit!!!
>Blackgorn was about as pozzed as it's gotten.
Color me surprised. I would've for sure expected them to go even harder on the homosexualry and troonery front for example.
>MH2
Ah, right, I guess I kinda witnessed that, too. That was around the time I stopped watching YouTubers as well. What percentage of tier 1/1.5 decks ended up using MH2 cards again prior to a few half-hearted bans? 100%? Didn't pretty much everything (only slight exaggeration) outside of combo ones run that artifact-fetching, token-creating enchantment land for example?
never post this meme in the /tg/ mtg generals, last time it triggered an autists to spam 600+ posts across 2 threads to explain that he is not a newbie for not knowing this meme
Didn't know this either, thanks for sharing.
>t. '08 newbie
Blackgorn was about as pozzed as it's gotten. The current problems are more about the gameplay going to absolute shit because Modern Horizons 2 basically killed Modern and they keep fricking up Standard and refusing to fix it. In fact, they delayed rotation so that it could stay fricked up longer. And they're planning on whoring out to 3rd party IPs even harder because the Commander players eat that shit up and Hasbro desperately needs the cash.
not worth
wotc is eating itself, they fired their staff
they need better leadership that won't sell the game into the ground
>White spells
>Full of black people
I'm not very immersed...
modern white spells could use a little mass calcification of its own
invested money-wise or time-wise?
time-wise and enjoyment wise.
maybe at least new sets and mwm. im having fun trying to abuse cloak.
is true that you're playing against the same 3 decks 80% of the time due to daily mission slaves.
>/vg/'s arena thread is finally kill
>no where to talk about mtga
oh well guess im moronic for recently getting invested in game everyone vocally hates
I mean, what the frick is there to talk about? How fricking awful Standard/Historic/Alchemy is? You cool new turn 1 combo in Timeless?
>turn 1 combo in Timeless
wut
Turn 2, whatever. Point is Timeless is just a playground for busted cards.
I love me some busted cards. Back when I dipped my toes into online Porkyourmoms for a while I absolutely played the shit out of that, at the time, barely regulated format where you could do that one combo that allowed you to win by sending all your opponents 'mons back to their hand in the same turn, kek. Them were the days.
It actually got to a point where (in mirror matches) people would decide the outcome by whoever played first, i.e. conceding if they went second. This made grinding as an F2Per mad easy. There even was an "honor" list on the forums that listed players who abided by that unspoken rule and those who didn't (i.e. whom you wouldn't concede to if you went 2nd because those gays didn't do so when it was them who went 2nd against others).
Hahhh ... good times indeed. I should probably see if I can still access that account since I actually traded my shit prior to all the bans that followed for some rare eternal format equivalent shit. Like Power 9 cards, basically. Or at least fetch lands.
Just a shame that Arena is rigged and has such disgusting monetization.
I spent *lots* of money on MODO. I used to do tons of drafts for every set. The day they introduced Arena, I stopped and never spent a dime in Arena.
UNGA BUNGA ME PLAY SLIME AGAINST HUMANITY
there's your MGTA discussion for the next 6 months
This is the answer to Slime in Historic. Play it and feel the power.
Forge still has an active community.
no reason to talk about it, you either pay piggie up to the gacha lords for cards or run meta pick draft 24/7 to actually get currency to play the normal game (which sucks)
>mt gag is kill
Good riddance to be quite tbh
Frick that game and frick that general. I regret every second I spent with Arena, goddamn skinner box of a timesink.
Still have some screenshots though. Here's this Izzet meme I used to play. It was fun when it worked it very rarely worked
Play Pauper and Premodern.
>FFxMTG collab
>paraplegic cloud art is used to spread awareness
>Cloud dies in Rebirth
>for brand synergy, there is no Cloud card, only Zack
>MTG is now just pop culture the tcg
Very depressing. How long until they do the same thing to D&D?
reminder
*barf*
Absolutely revolting. I want a boomer outrage baiting fox news talking head to get ahold of it.
>Faux News
Don't those spineless weasels love gays almost as much as the rest of MSM these days?
posting this on /tg/ gets you a 3 day ban lmao
/tg/ is such a pozzed shithole
>banning homosexualry is pozzed
anon, are you ok?
that's not the reason they ban it
They don't ban it for that lol.
dont remind me of the edh schizo
>Swamp
>"Plains"
kek
Bretty good troll deck. Beyond moronic if serious though.
teysa's boob window died for this
I love Olivia Munn
I was a big fan of Liliana turning into that troony Shaden Rouge the cards were hot.
I'm still seething they killed off best girl just to shill the Black person kaya AGAIN. It's not just the state of the cards that suck, the lore is fricking terrible now too
>lore
I stopped paying attention as soon as they ruined Urabrask.
I've never felt understood the difference between Black person and black person better than seeing Kaya and teferi. I hate Kaya so much. And in arena you have to keep seeing her smug mocking face.
Damn, why couldn't it be just the actual literal bear, that'd be funny.
Because that version of the card already exists, this is just a reskin for a literal gay pride thing.
i genuinely can't believe they didn't release this with a "bear" token. like of all the fricking pussy moves to do, you release this and don't give a matching token? if you're going to go this far, go the entire fricking way.
i hate homosexuals but I would've bought at least 5 of those fricking tokens purely to play them without the actual homosexual version of the card to piss people off.
You get banned on /tg/ for posting this card in a Magic thread... the absolute state of that board.
You also get banned for talking about how Seb Mckinnon got ostracized by Wizards for supporting the trucker's protest or for pointing out the connection between Sweet Baby and Wizards.
do i want to know what sweet baby is?
A company that tells you where you should add more diversity in your product according to the feelings of minorities
They literally get paid by multibillion dollar companies to scream at them for being chuds and how problematic a movie/game is
as a minority, im surprised they think we care about anti racism. we love being racist.
>according to the feelings of minorities
*according to cultural marxism.
I bet you think you're very smart.
No argument. Passively-aggressively using an ad hominem. Yikes!
You don't but you have to. The time for bliss is over, the time for war has come.
the qrd is that its Ganker's pizzagate
Uhhhh ... at least there's still cube ... right, Gankerros?
I'm making a Dominaria Remastered Cube right now. I had gotten a booster box cheap and hoped to open all the good commons/uncommons and staple rares. I opened two Mystic Remoras and 2 FoWs and all in all a shit pool for a cube
>When you mishandle your game so much that the most popular format is a make believe format made by morons for morons
>start trying to milk the moron make pretend format where you dont even need real cards
>then instantly bend the knee and become your primary consoomers
commandergays are moronic
It really is a pretend format, isn't it?
>moronic deck building rules
Bruh, highlander was cool because it was a challenge to use a highlander deck on T2. If you have access to 99% of the cards, there's enough redundancy. It's not a fricking challenge. And everyone runs the same moronic meta cards like Sol Ring.
>moronic in game rules
The Commander is moronic. Commander damage is moronic.
>moronic meta rules
No having fun. No board wipes. No being powerful, but not being quirky either.
>moronic players
commander is fricked on every level
>4 player so its 120 life to chew through
>start with 40 life
>singleton
its like even shittier vintage where you have less control of the game and anything except combo is dogshit
>but if your casual its fun!
then why not play a game where you arent putting a car downpayment for a single deck?
i always hated casual commander with friends because you either realize you've lost in the first five turns and everyone gets butthurt if you scoop or the game goes on forever and someone wins because of some state irrelevant to the last 50 turns of the game
A staple of the format is group hug decks so you've obviously got an uncreative collection of friends. Quest for the Janklord is a series where the players are only allowed to play with cards that cost a dollar or less. If you don't have the ability to travel city to city for events it's a decent window the basics of the meta of the genre.
>Blue player who thinks he plays a mix
And people play like morons on purpose to keep the game going.
It's commander, you don't have cards that can turn the game around just by a decent topdeck? If a mono red player does something stupid to keep the game going he might have a World Fire in his library. Seems like you just have a bad understanding of things past your personal circle of play.
>m-muh 120 life
>not playing literal "You win the game" cards
ISHYGDDT
They're banned.
Approach is legal in EDH, tardnon.
>moron doesn't know 'bout hybrid decks
What do you think he thinks about the abomination that his lovechild turned into?
>and anything except combo is dogshit
illiterate Black person
What do you mean by combo? Commander is about 65 individual cards. Like actually having a collection of cards that interact with your commander? How the hell else would you expect to combo? What a shitty argument, throw a Mirage Mirror in almost any fricking deck, there a both literal and mana cheap, non combo, card that balances the strength of your deck.
>least disengenuous commandergay
Modern MTG is just fricking sad, man. Seeing such a great game reduced to this. It's disgusting.
wish I could play without absurd grind or paypigging so much
Standard players try not to seethe about commander challenge (impossible)
I play legacy
Bruth, your format is fake. They have to make extra cards so commander whales keep buying. Go buy a 60 dollars deck for one card.
I gave up playing magic because it made me realize I am dumb.
I really really liked the mr house card, did they add any more gambling/dice cards yet?
Commandergays will use fake cards and change all the rules of the game, but have an aneurism if you play an universes beyond card.
I'll just proxy a cheatyface whenever I want.
Then I'll proxy Richard Garfield PhD
I'll proxy gun.
the controversy over this card art was the real herald of the end
>*sweats angrily*
>I-is t-that ...?
>No, surely it c-can't be!!
>Violence against a heckin' womanerino!?
>HOW DARE YOU NAZI INCEL CHUDS!?!?
ya, this is the card that broke woke for magic, what a shame since Innistrad was the best set they ever made. Magic had a few good years left after this before the eventual spiral downward
The backlash to it is probably why Garruk never got his revenge on Liliana and disappeared forever.
at the time mtg had it's own official forum too and I believe the heated discussion about the artwork on this card led to the company eventually shuttering it because it wasnt worth their time to keep it moderated
>this is the card that broke woke for magic
Aren't you forgetting about something?
woke wasn't the thing back then
at the time it anti-satanist panic was theourage
REEEEEing about supposed klansmen uniforms (black ones no less, funnily enough) sure sounds like pearl-clutching wokeism to me.
no one cared back then, trannies weren't invented yet and didn't play mtg
they only existed as a joke in Twin Peaks
>no one cared back then
Ah, right, because "no one cared" it was banned. Makes perfect sense, anon.
>trannies weren't invented yet
Unfortunately not true. However, THEY were in fact something "no one cared about back Then".
>supposed klansmen
go google his art sometime
Yes but in that case it's a representation of the Spanish semana santa and the penitents.
and remember against all odds, this is card #1488
>WHAT DID YOU SAID ABOUT MINECRAFT???
>Liliana curses Garruk
>apparently him wanting to get revenge on her is seen as rape
what was the most fun to play deck of all time and why was it high tide?
Manaless Dredge
this anon is correct
manaless dredge in vintage and legacy is top fun
>what was the most fun to play deck of all time
KCI right before it got banned for being too hard for moronic modern MTG players to comprehend it
>before it got banned for being too hard for moronic modern MTG players to comprehend it
>KCI players actually think this
lul
Straight from the horse's mouth, now go 41% yourself.
>most fun
No such thing but here are some honorable mentions:
>Burn
Dabbing on people with a braindead deck like Burn (inb4 "MUH HIGHLY CEREBRAL DECISION MAKING") is always fun just for the sheer seethe is causes.
>Tron
See picrel.
>Lantern Control
I love wasting people's time and few decks do it as well as Lantern, especially since it takes quite a while until you are DEFINITELY dead on board. That minuscule chance that MAYBE, just maybe, three or four relevant answers will be on top in a row keeps people from scooping in positions where they are probably but not definitely done for.
*it causes
Burn is genuinely some of the most fun I have had playing MtG.
No thinking just constant aggression. Bonus points when drinking and playing.
is this what zoomers call decks like sligh or can you actually do 20 damage with only spells now and it's not "I've been playing for 2 weeks now and this is my red deck" and no not channel fireball.
Sligh is only a variation of RDW.
sligh is a faster deck that only uses 1-3 cost cards. rdw goes up to like 5.
Correct which is why it's a variation.
>sligh
Isn't it time for your afternoon nap already, grandpa?
Burn has been a tier deck forever. And while yes, you technically can deal 20 with only a bunch of 3 damage sorceries/instants, virtually all variants run a couple hasty {R} creatures such as Goblin Guide or Monastery Swiftspear as well for that (potential) recurring damage.
On a side note, it should be noted that most Burn decks these days don't expect to have to deal 20 damage on average anymore but more like 18 or even less due to fetches and shock lands and shit.
>tron
feels unrealistic, needs a t2 forest into crop rotation.
that image is from ~2015 back when tron was the scourge of Modern
See
although I think I only saw this particular meme in 2017.
I am calm, man breasts. Assuage your mammaries yourself.
Dice factory is extremely fun and fringe. Highly recommend.
Goblins, and I mean current Sticker Goblin Goblins.
Nothing but hate pieces and way too much mana
How much more shit have they blackwashed since LOTR?
should i buy a craterhoof?
Buy four now, sell one in a month, then sell two of the remaining ones a week before the Final Fantasy set comes out.
If you ever choose to sell the last one, then wait until a week after the Marvel cards come out.
i thank you magic finance guru
This could have all been avoided if slivers were meta
Slivers died a decade ago, anon.
Now, they only exist in Masters&Horizons sets, and as shitty Secret Lair bonus cards
>slivers are now Predators (hated by everyone so much that WotC actually reverted this change)
>Slivers only affect your own board now
WotC doesn't even know the fun of playing table top magic with your bros and spending two hours painstakingly mapping out combat math involving 20 slivers, then missing one interaction that results in a vastly unexpected board state.
>our company is going under, please for the love of god buy the extremely expensive commander decks
guess they couldnt decide between ghoul moira or normal so they made a inbetween
wtf, she's a burger?
this "art" looks like someone just fed a bunch of photos into an AI and spat this out
I have no doubt Hasbeenbro would've switched to AI-only art by now if not for the same Tw*tter trannies that they are catering too being firmly anti-AI because "MUH HUMAN EXPRESSION, MUH TRAINING DATA THEFT, MUH SOULLESS CAPITALISM" and so on.
>Überlebensführer
This isn't a real word. I refuse to believe it.
german is all about making up new words anyways
Why? 'Cause it as "-führer" in it? That's just a regular German word and only somewhat offensive if used on its own, i.e. Führer. As a pre- or suffix it's a word like any other.
That aside, it's a typical, shitty, literal translation of the English card name. For all I know it's Wokies of the Coast who are to blame for this but cards really should be localized, not translated. Especially when they end up this clunky.
>t. Germ
Überlebensführer is what a Wolfenstein enemy would shout at you. It's baby babbling tier.
Go ahead and translate "Survival Guide" in fewer characters (without localizing it ... which they should've done).
Sorry I don't speak beer and pretzels.
Then I don't what you're rambling about with that "baby babbling tier" comment.
>what a human german would say
It is probably indeed more common but "-führer" isn't exactly an usual choice to translate "guide" (e.g. Reiseführer). But as you admitted, it's longer and German is already less succinct than English which makes this doubly hard given the limited space.
Überlebensleitfaden might be slightly longer, but it's what a human german would say.
look at what they did to my boy
the bear and the bull
>enemy odyssey filter lands
HNNNNNNG
commander is the reason magic is dead
Wrong. Commander is the reason MTG hasn't had a gutting of corporate that would cause dramatic design changes and would more than likely remake all of WotC. It's a cash cow of an anorexic bull.
no, frick off
commander is the reason we get tons of shitty crossover garbage and commanderbait cards in standard
also secret lairs are THE commander slop
moron what I'm saying is without Commander Magic would have had to make dramatic changes to how it operates in order to remain. They make these awful crossover pieces of shit because they know it will sell. It allows them to be unprofitable in all other aspects, which is why they are also bleeding it into other formats, to try and make them long term profitable as well.
>had to make dramatic changes to how it operates in order to remain
yeah, they would have to do extraordinary things like making it balanced, obeying the color pie and creating original settings and lore
thankfully we have commander and they can just open their anuses wide and take a big fat shit. the paypiggies will lap it up and ask for seconds
You also forget that Magic covers for the repetitive frickups that Hasbro makes. Magic is a quick buck first, card game second.
edh was fine
commander was not
does mr house with any dice roll effect or just his?
Any. Even D20.
What cards roll a D20?
lots https://scryfall.com/search?q=oracletag%3Adice-roll
I tried to make this work so hard in standard, but it just couldn't do as well as splinter twin
You could have looped it with the blue fairy that same set that gives you a extra roll and forces the higher number as the pick but then you hit critical mass and get stuck in a infinite where you roll 20s every time and cant end delina's attack step trigger. it was never meant to work in standard. i also tried
ya, i played her with the fairy and barbarian roll
sometimes you could meme the combo out
often times you just lose becasue the deck is a glass cannon
and SOMETIMES you could get the combo going and it would just fizzle despite an insanely high odds roll because arena just wants to frick with you
at least i got to meme with tamiyo + blind mice for POPULATION BOMB gimmicks before i uninstalled arena
Of course it was the fricking DnD set, why did I even ask ...
So if you use Suppression Field, you can spend 6 treasure mana to activate it and roll 7 die?
As I understand it, yes.
Sounds like a winmore strategy though.
Don't give a frick, I'm putting The Big Idea in that deck.
for me its the pup
Don't forget Jace Dandy.
He's a dandy guy, that Jace. Works in every deck.
I still can't believe this isn't an acorn card. I wish a game with Space Beleren upon all the families of WotC.
If you have the money, then play Raging River as well.
Only if I get to Shahrazad as well.
Only if both of our decks are hug decks. Make the suffering last until someone chickens out and surrenders.
>If you have money
You mean "If you know which chinks to pay for a proxy".
>rdw goes up to like 5.
RDW is a catch-all term for any fast, aggressive, low mana curve deck, dummy.
rdw would use cards like ftk. sligh wouldn't. both are less funny than ponza because of the seethe ld causes.
>RDW decks generally use small and cheap creatures on early turns to quickly diminish the opponent's life total. If the creatures are not enough, burn spells are used to finish the opponent off. The burn spells also double to remove blockers. RDW decks differ from Sligh in that they don't play Land Destruction cards (as Land Destruction cards are typically weak in Modern Standard formats). The deck generally attempts to use all of its available mana during every single turn and to win the game somewhere around turn 5–6.
You know you can just change your opinion when you find out that you're wrong, right?
I'm not sure what century you're from but FTK hasn't been played in any constructed deck since, like, 2001.
>sligh
>ld
wtf where did you even find this shit from?
maybe that anon or the person he's quoting it from is confusing land destruction, with Price of Progress, a common sideboard card in sligh lists
but who fricking knows he's clearly full of shit if he thinks sligh has ever meaningfully ran LD cards, and no putting in a few counters to tron back when that was mandatory is not the same as having an LD game plan.
The MTG wiki. I don't know if your newfriends or something but the original Sligh ran a playset of Strip Mines, I'm assuming that's what that refers to.
Anyway, point being that RDW beyond the 90s was always low MC. No one's playing something as pointless and expensive as FTK in it.
*you're
okay but literally every fricking deck in existence was running a playset of strip mines in 95-96 because the card is obscenely broken. maybe you count port as well even though port isn't LD, but denial?
and no shit FTK was not a part of sligh, but RDW is a "variant" in the sense that it is red and plays red cards and wants to win with red things, it's like calling elves a stompy variant because it's green and uses green mana to play green cards and wins with big damage
"RDW" is a moronic name to begin with but it's gone through so many variants that splinter off it, whether it was blood moon/chalice prison, or chandra torch of defiance midrange control, I even saw some people using that moronic "count to 7 sorceries/instants" enchantment in "RDW" lists
sligh is as classic as burn decks get and though modern cards have pushed the power level up, it really is the quintessential "I win by turn 4 or I scoop" deck where their curve ends at 2
RDW often plays as a midrange deck where it can either try to outrace other control decks via goblin rabblemaster, or slow the game down against aggro decks with moon/bridge/chalice and then rely on a slow but grindy wincon such as Chandra or Klothys
As I said before, no one but boomers calls it "Sligh" anymore, grandpa. It's Burn. And in Standard, for instance, RDW almost exclusively refers to aggressive strategies. Some borderline control-ish deck with a PW like Chandra wouldn't be RDW just because it is red and ... tries to win.
>zoomers misuse terminology and then insist that they're in the right
many such cases
>calling a deck consisting of primarily burn spells "Burn" is ... le wrong
moron.
Get Krark's other Thumb and Squirrel powered scheme and your chances of higher rolls improve a lot.
cool the tv screen is a fricking screenshot of the game with a mid spoiler shoved in for flavor murder. The frick, wotc used to have artists.
Is there any fun mtg game to play online with friends? I don't mean shit like mtgo or arena I'm talking about some old PC abandonware I was playing yugioh power of chaos the joey and whatever and that was prime boomer card game experience for me and want somwthing similiar but mtg I know about shandalar and whatever but it doesn't have any online play
am i a scrub if i sincerely miss 2015-2018 modern, especially all the live GP coverage by SCG and CF
its breaks my heart to just constantly experience amazing things and see them ripped away from me and pozzed into destruction
You wanna feel even worse? Look at the Theros block. Look at the Hero's Path, the last and greatest BLOCK-wide multi-stage event.
I started playing with it. Every set since then has been depressing
>I started playing with it.
Same, Born of the Gods right here. Dropped paper again after that and only went to my LGS again with Kaladesh. Kept playing online tho'. Dropped it again when the woke shittery started ramping up and will probably never return to my LGS for it as things stand. I still might go for board games however.
Nowadays I play maybe two pre-releases a year, with an extra couple of limited events if I like the set or it's chaos.
A majority of my MtG spending nowadays is the occasional single to put in a binder because I like it, like its art, or I think I could make a good deck with it if I felt like deckbuilding again. The rest is for my Jumpstart cube.
>still giving WotC your shekels in 2000+20+4
ishiggydiggy
I swear they print more special/collectors editions now than fricking regular non foil versions of cards
the only reason magic became popular is because it had good art that fired up your imagination
It's also the best TCG period in terms of gameplay, silly. Its success lay in its multi-domain competency, from art to lore to game mechanics to economics. I know people, for instance, who only got into it because of the gambling aspect of cardboard crack.
Give it to me straight, anons: I have a sealed booster set of Throne of Eldraine that I got duped into buying at (what was then) a discount. Is this ever gonna appreciate in value or should I just sell now and recoup my losses?
You're probably fricked honestly. https://scryfall.com/search?q=%28game%3Apaper%29+set%3Aeld&order=usd&as=grid shows there's only two cards that are worth enough to bother selling, and both are mythics. Korvold and Chulane are both from the Brawl precons, they aren't even in the booster box. https://www.mtgstocks.com/sets/331-throne-of-eldraine estimates the average EV of a booster box to be $100, but that's incredibly swingy based on whether you get the few mythics that are worth a damn, and that value is also inflated by uncommons that are technically a buck or two but are an absolute pain to sell. The only thing I can say is it's unlikely to get worse, as the money cards are things that they're not going to reprint or stuff like The Great Henge where there'll always be timmies who want one.
What I'd honestly recommend is just getting 4-8 buddies together and fricking about with a draft or two. You've already spent the money, you're unlikely to recoup more than $50, and you might get lucky.
>$100
I paid 96 (teehee) dollarinos for it so I guess I would actually make a profit then, completely ignoring inflation and time spent.
Remember that the average takes into account every card, even though anything under $1 is usually not worth the hassle to sell it and the price that it costs to buy is far less than the price you can sell. Unless you get lucky with your mythics you're going to lose money cracking packs even if you liquidated 100% of it afterwards. It'd be worth more sealed so some other sucker takes the bait.
Commander subhumans ruined MTG
>uhh before this game begins here is a list of thing you are not allowed to play because I don't like them
NOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT IF IT WEREN'T FOR US COMMANDERCHADS MAGIC WOULD BE DEAD
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE HOW DARE YOU HAVE HOUSE RULES
Bet you're a gay little homosexual who netdecks among friends and get assmad if no one wants to play with you and your boring-ass T3 win list. Find some other spectators for your masturbatory shenanigans, loser.
>w-w-what...? what do you mean you discard cards from my hand? this-this is against the commander rules we set up on discord! I...I just can't....*raises white card with STOP sign for everyone to see* Time out, time out, I need...I just need to...*sob* this is triggering me guys...this is seriously so bad....*sniff*
No one's defending moronic rules like that, dumbass. Shove your strawman up your ass.
>No one's defending moronic rules like that
commandersissies do. and judging by your discomfort I'd say you do, too.
Maybe your troony friends do, I've never seen or even heard of anyone IRL doing this.
Once more for your moronic ass: The issue is the kind of deck that makes all games revolve around you and your gaylord combo deck which everyone else either has to hate the frick out of, warping what's supposed to be a fun, casual back-and-forth, or see all rounds end by T3/T4.
Feel free to play that shit with other fedora-wearing, neckbeard-growing, deodorant-fearing sweatlords but don't expect to get invited again.
maybe you should run some interrupts or removal instead of shitting your pretty little panties?
why are commander players so moronic?
Reread
, Black person. Bet you're the kind of untermensch to run GosT in Tiny Leaders, too.
damn, you're so right
we should let every special and unique and powerful commander player do their own thing and not rock the boat! that way everyone wins! except if that player runs mass removal or mill or hand discard! then we should pile on the fricker!
Keep knocking down those strawmen, anon, we're all *very* impressed.
Captcha: VDAWG
what strawmen? everyone and their mother says that commander players are fragile morons that don't even like playing MtG unless they houserule a dozen things
just admit that my posts made you legitimately angry
Your moronic assumptions did. I don't know who "everyone and their mother" is supposed to be but your silly assertion doesn't fit what I've seen over the past two decades with my own two eyes.
If your environment is filled with such pussies, sucks to be you, I guess. I've yet to meet even 1 (one) such playgroup.
calm down, b***h
>refuses to play interaction
>dies to a overcosted janky combo that isn't competitive
Every commander house rule set ever:
1. Your not allowed to stop my combo, if anything stops my combo even coincidentally I get to ignore it.
2. You are not allowed to target my lands, manlands, or birds. This also includes mana artifacts.
3. If you play a boardwipe I will cry. If you draw more than 3 cards on a turn I will cry. If you get a storm off I will cry. If I die first at the table I will cry. If I cry the game is over and you must all go home.
4. We are only allowed to proxy cards that make decks overpowered, but you aren't allowed to combo with them.
5. Have fun.
I needed to get this off my chest.
>no bro we follow the official ruleset of the rules committee, you can play anything that they say is good
>what do you mean you didn't draw sol ring in your opening hand? hahah bro sucks I guess I'm gonna have eight mana on turn two while you have a single untapped swamp
edh was more fun when it was casual
and no I don't mean the "strict" line between cedh and tabletop commander
I mean before every fricking homosexual metaslaved the same staple cards in every god damn deck and wizards started printing precons with obscenely broken straight-to-commander cancer cards like Edgar Markov and True Name Nemesis
now it's like oh boy everyone's running dockside extortionist I wonder how much fricking mana people will have by turn 3, maybe 30? 40? 60 fricking mana? god damn who even knows
pauper is the only decent format
they took gush and daze away from me
i will never be happy again
I think Pauper is a bretty cool format. Ti costs almost nothing and doesn't afraid of anything.
No that's timeless on arena
Why aren't there any good FREE card games?
make one and give it away for free yourself
Go Fish, my homie
Arena is F2P and so are most other online TCGs.
Again, tardnon, this is about lil' pissybabies who are mad they don't get to play whatever degenerate netdeck they found online. No one here is defending house rules that are meant to protect people's fee-fees by banning board wipes et al.
i wish premodern took off
>I wish that forced format by Merchants who wanted to sell their chaff for higher prices took off
Oy vey, goynon!
i just want to play old cards again
modern and the game itself is already pozzed by merchants so idk what kinda argument thats supposed to be
the game is run by merchants
>i just want to play old cards again
So go make a cube.
>modern and the game itself is already pozzed by merchants so idk what kinda argument thats supposed to be
The kind argument that points out that card-hawking israelites repeatedly tried to artificially inflate demand by making up an arbitrary format out of nothing that makes no sense in the first place and is dead on arrival, just to sell their $0.01 cards for more than literal pennies.
look i respect the hareruya gambit
>make deck to win
>"YOU FRICKING TRYHARD NETDECKER"
?????????
>want to make a cool commander deck
>5 cards are $50-$100 each
>10 are $20-$50
>rest are between $0 - $20
love paying hundreds for cardboard
or just contact your local chinaman and pay $20 for an entire set of format staples
any good chink on aliexpress?
i don't buy any mtg shit anymore but the name that always got thrown around in tg was Villa Zheng
>he buys real cards instead of using the chinaman dirt shoebox technique
>dirt shoebox technique
I know you're talking about proxies but what's that supposed to mean?
>It'd be worth more sealed so some other sucker takes the bait.
That would be my plan regardless. Probably easier to pull of IRL, too, as that has the added attraction of not involving shipping. But for that I'd probably have to shill it at my LGS (which I'd have to keep on the down-low for obvious reasons).
>dirt shoebox technique
NTA but I assume its how people faked documents in the past, put on a shoebox with some bugs and it will make the paper seem dated, looking legit
Why bother? No one's gonna see any difference with double-sleeved cards.
it's more to give yourself some line of defense when the neckbeard sitting across from you calls a judge for a deck check because your legacy dual lands look a little bit too pristine, and he feels slighted that you'd come to the table with your $50 deck against his $5000 one.
at least if they're scuffed you can have a more reasonable argument for buying them second-hand or having inherited them from someone else, so you "didn't know" they were proxies
Has this happened at all in, like, the history of ever? You think a judge is gonna desleeve your Power 9 and pull out a israeliteeler's loupe because some neckbeard claims that they smell fake to him?
There are enough stories about that exact thing happening that I'm sure some of them actually happened.
While I haven't personally gone to legacy/vintage events because I don't give enough of a shit about it, all the time I played draft and standard put me close enough to some people that I would not doubt for a SECOND would pull this kind of bullshit.
>I know you're talking about proxies but what's that supposed to mean?
MTG cards, especially old ones, are extremely easy to make counterfeits. So you could build something like an entire legacy deck for extremely cheap. If you make the cards look a bit old/dirty then you'll never get caught. Having a deck full of perfect condition dual lands would be the only thing that would make it noticeably fake.
basically get a proxy put it in a shoebox with some dirt and shake it about. depending on the cards age. if it's really old do it for a while. nothing screams fake more than a pristine vintage played card lmao. for added fakeness try to get the cheapest version of a card and only do it for a bit to make it slightly played. if it's cheaper in other languages get it in those languages.
Reading this thread makes me want to sell my legacy staples.
If that's all it takes, then how do you survive the /tg/ threads?
I dont go, I haven't been into magic for a long while.
Now post the commanders.
>You can now play Gimlin with Optimus Prime and Caith from Fallout 4
HAHAHA
why the frick is it when I make custom cards, they go unnoticed and ignored with no replies, but when someone else does it, they get swarmed with attention. literally every fricking time.
Because these custom cards are, in fact, OFFICIAL WOTC CARDS!
Solid joke.
is ninjutsu and menace a viable combo
i just want to play cool ninjas
Menace does help facilitate ninjutsu yes.
Ninjutsu is essentially shit, but you could probably play it kitchen table or casually without issues. If you really want to be a fricking meme, make it Izzet and pretend you're playing RDW for the first 2 turns or so. All you need is a way to generate treasures (red has plenty of this) and you can ninjutsu your 1/1 flying weenie out for hilarity. You'll still lose, but your opponent will think you're cool.
>You'll still lose, but your opponent will think you're cool.
That's the way all Magic should be played.
>Ninjutsu is essentially shit
WRONG
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-neo-ninjas-modern https://>www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-ninjas-modern
FML
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/much-abrew-neo-ninjas-modern
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-ninjas-modern
>jam some ninjas into the "remove/counter/handhate your shit" dimir shell
>call it a ninjutsu deck
I mean I GUESS
>best ninjas are in blue and black
>play blue and black staples in your blue and black ninja deck
>nooooooo not like that
what do you want?
it depends on what you mean by viable
>I want to win in vintage tournaments
not viable
>I want to have fun in casual games with friends
viable
also stop saying combo when you mean synergy it upsets the elder gods
>fallout set
>only characters that made the cut are blacks or woman
expected nothing less from WOTC
look at all the spoilers, moron.
>madison li
>nick valentine
>hanwiener
>frank horrigan
>preston
>three dog
>cait
>cass
>veronica
>
vs
>cesar
>mr house
>ian
>lanius?
LMAO, this was so accurate at the time. Especially with Smuggler's Copter. Except for bolting a Goyf in the end game, who the frick does that? Fetch, Bauble, Inquisition. There, 3/4 on T2.
>Except for bolting a Goyf in the end game, who the frick does that?
i just included 2 of the emblematic modern cards i could think of in 1 sentence. ive never played modern and i never will.
t. artist behind the comic
>t. artist behind the comic
I don't believe you, anon. Reason? You're gay. Proofs:
>ive never played modern and i never will.
i wish i had the original pdn file to prove i made it but i dont. might be on my old HDD but its not connected to my PC
i never really played other formats aside from cube and EDH. they all seemed like massive money drains unless you already have cards you can use to trade around for new cards. i made another awful paint drawing depicting how i viewed the game in general, the one with the EDH & cube safety bunker
i havent played edh in like 3 years now. i dont remember what broke the camels back but i remember my interest waning after the walking dead shit came out. it also doesnt help that the new cards are just boring for the most part, like they play everything super safe with derivative value generators. i cant fricking believe they managed to make frank horrigan boring
If you aren't trolling, what do you think of
's edit?
but yes i forgot to say it more or less encapsulates why i'm not interested in EDH anymore. a part of me wants to get together with my group and play all these stupid as frick cards but i don't want to give hasbro money (and also the game looks boring now due to the EDH player pandering value creep)
>Magic... Magic never cha- AACCKKK
The text and statline actually make for a better comparison than the art
>Legendary creature - human, soldier
>Enlist
(As this creature attacks, you may tap a nonattacking creature you control without summoning sickness. When you do, add its power to this creature's until end of turn.)
>Whenever a creature you control attacks, if it enlisted a creature this combat, the creature that attacked gains Double Strike until end of turn. If that creature's power is 4 or more, draw a card.
At least they got the nose right, lol
>half the cards in the set are for enchanting and making a really big guy for a big one hit kill
oh boy its theros all over again
>in the set
It's not like the D&D, LotR, or the upcoming Final Fantasy sets, it's like Warhammer 40k and Dr. Who, Commander decks with overpriced alt-art booster packs and some secret lairs that'll most likely have <$2 of value.
what are you sperging on, its a full set
Fallout is 4 Commander decks only. The boosters are overpriced and only to get the alt art.
God enlist is such a shit mechanic
Post decks.
i havn't played since Kamigaw... every time i check in i see the power creep has gotten exponentially worse than last time.
and is this a "Fallout" crossover into the MTG universe? That is literal unimaginative basedslop... do you guys have no self respect?
Stop giving them money boys, they hate you.
>i havn't played since Kamigaw
They made a new Kamigawa set. It's Cyberpunk and mostly shit, but there's a few good cards.
Honestly Magic is a whack game, I only play Magic because of "the gathering", that is because I want to hang out IRL and play Commander. If there was a better 4 player TCG I'd jump ship in a heartbeat. Universes Beyond, and power-creep have changed this game so much in the past few years. Compare how Magic was just prior to War of the Spark versus now, it's like a completely different game. Also, Magic Arena is a bad game client, I personally started playing Master Duel instead.
Magic is a great game. Certainly the best card game by far. The problem is card design after 2019.
>Certainly the best card game by far.
lol
lmao
It is.
>best art (despite new woke shit)
>most interaction (despite new fire design)
>best longevity
>can get mana screwed/flooded unlike new games that have fixed that issue
Ah yes, I too was new once.
That's not an issue, that's called variance and adds a whole new level of complexity to the game. It's much harder to decide whether to keep or mull a hand.
Sorry but your opinions on game design will be discarded from now on.
>personally started playing Master Duel instead
So true sis I hekin love master drooler is much wholesome then gayrena because it has 1 format with 3 viable decks and isn't even up to date with paper yass slay I love bots being 75% of my player base
My racist wife
Your """wife""" is a canon lesbian
Okay and? Do you think I want her to have a male love interest
>marrying a filthy knife-ear
I'm sorry that I can't do anything to help you with your chronic degeneracy, anon.
Just know that when you come to your senses, we'll be here to help you recover.