>le humans are bad because they put the orcs in internment camps
>just ignore the fact that orcs committed indiscriminate slaughter of human civilians
>just ignore the fact that orcs enjoy torture and murder
>just ignore the fact that if the orcs had won, they would have just killed every humans instead of putting them in interment camps
This pity party about the orcs because the humans put them in interment camps is the biggest bullshit in Warcraft lore. It actually shows how merciful humans are because they didn't just kill off every orc they captured.
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What's the exit strategy for internment camps? Were they planning to release them? Slowly genocide them? Civilize them over hundreds of years?
Have them contained for a generation or two so they hopefully chill out and lose their bloodlust and addiction to Mannoroth milk.
The Elves and Dwarves wanted to just kill all the orcs off
They were right
Most of the human kingdoms also wanted to put them to the sword, the king of lordaeron is the one that took pity on them after witnessing how the orcs became a bunch of grannies with dementia once the demons fricked off
The few clans that avoided capture either were morons still trying to summon demons with blood sacrifice or hid themselves in small enclaves
>exit strategy
There was no exit strategy. The King just implemented new taxes. No way that shit is going away.
Think the general idea was that Lorderon was gigacorrupt shithole in-lore and the Orcs became slave labor for local robber-barons, even if the original idea was some form of mercy.
Or the humans are still pissed off at the orcs invading and murdering them that the ones in charge of the camps decided to be cruel as some sort of revenge.
But the orc plot in WC3 is all about the one orc who isn't a violent Black person because he was raised by humans trying to tard wrangle all the other orcs into building something instead of getting into a fight with every group they come across though
Wait... They really just recycled the plot from that abandoned orc adventure game for 3?
That would've been Thrall's backstory before WC3, explaining how he went from a gladiator slave to being in charge of the orcs
that's exactly what they did. Well most of it, anyway.
Thrall's backstory was originally going to be a lucasarts-style point&click adventure game.
>You now remember that in that Thrall's adventure game you get hit on by a lusty bearded dwarf lady
Yes. But not before it was turned into a more serious book where instead of jet-pack Thrall and Gazlowe being a cabby driver with a thick Brooklyn accent we have Thrall just earth-quaking the shit out of humans.
No. It's WoW that killed WarCraft. WCIII had a promising take on the setting and WoW ruined with just existing...and ruined further with every new expansion.
>le humans are bad because they put the orcs in internment camps
Not really.
Humans in Warcraft are mostly good outside a few edge cases. Even Thrall's adoptive father has a degree of mild complexity.
Can we just have one WC3 thread that isn't gay?
No. WC3 is gay and effectively killed Warcraft.
t. homo
WC3 is better than 2 in every way
No, it's from Blizzard.
>>le humans are bad because they put the orcs in internment camps
nobody said that
You forgot the fact that medieval societies don't have economies that can support large-scale Internment camps, and the entire continent was still recovering from being razed.
Yes they did.
Blizzard literally tried to set up the Orcs as victim protagonists.
>You forgot the fact that medieval societies don't have economies that can support large-scale Internment camps, and the entire continent was still recovering from being razed.
what if the society has magic though
>Blizzard literally tried to set up the Orcs as victim protagonists.
Their only other alternatives were to either kill them all or just letting them go free, most likely causing another war.
>As you can see, Lothar, yes. I have betrayed our people. But you don't understand. You don't understand the heaven that is going up to your pelvis in green meat. They really are like animals, just like my son always told me. "No father of mine would be caught dead courting an orcess." But once you've had a taste, Isolde from Sunday school who was saving herself for our marriage just doesn't cut it anymore. I was 25 when I had my first rumble in the jungle. And you know what I did, Lothar? For 15 years I prowled internment camps sweeping up every green mama I could find. Big ones, fat ones, short ones, tall ones. Fatherless half-breeds litter the streets of Lordaeron. They still tell stories about me in Durotar, hoots from old ladies about Aiden "Massa" Perenolde and his bag of whips. What I'm saying, Lothy, is if you're gonna do this, you better go all the way. Show my warchief why we've been running the world for thousands of years.
The guy who makes orc males mad.
Great.
sounds like gaza vs israel
They were preparing to make the mmo and realized they had to make the Horde into goodies so normie mmogays would play them and they used various plot devices and characters like Blackmoore and Garithos to achieve that.
No it doesn't
STOP NOTICING THINGS GOY! ! !
That is because warcraft's greatest strength has always been being the best race war simulator on the market
Just realize that the literal Israeli translations for their military ranks are shit like "Master Champion" or "Master Lord" -- and that means right now in Gaza you are seeing IRL PvP between Johnny Hamas and Master Lord Gavin who spawned in a Tank after Johnny Hamas dispached enough of his champions
>orcs are based on the mongols
>Blacks assume orcs are based on themselves because... orcs are violent, murdering rapists?
why do they do this?
Which orcs? I think Tolkien popularized them as a fantasy race in the modern sense, so are you referring to them? The orcs who essentially mutilated, corrupted elves? Are you saying those are based on the mongols?
As for the Warcraft orcs, they were originally based on the Warhammer orks, which are inherently evil and violent. They were portrayed as such throughout Warcraft 2. It was only in the canceled adventure game and WC3 that they were retconned into the moronic "noble savages" of today, who were only evil because they were manipulated.
Not that I've paid much attention to Warcraft in the past 20 years, after the franchise became one of the worst, most cancerous blights on gaming with WC3, which was in turn made even worse with WoW.
>these giant axe-wielding footmen are based on mongols because... the Horde!
For the record, no black person from the pic the anon you replied to assumed orcs were black. the video in question was made by alleged "anti-racist" shitlibs who started making the bizzare connection
Tolkien used non-White features like "swarthy" and "slanty eyed" to describe orcs in Lotr not to make them analogues to those races but to get across to the reader how ugly orcs are. I always preferred the lower class English accent approach to orcs anyways al la Lotr and Warhammer
>le humans are bad because they put the orcs in internment camps
>This pity party about the orcs because the humans put them in interment camps is the biggest bullshit in Warcraft lore. It actually shows how merciful humans are because they didn't just kill off every orc they captured.
And that's why wow humans are bad. Not executing every last orc while they had the chance was a terrible mistake. They have a lot to learn from their warhammer kin.
israeli anti-european writing
you’re brazillian and barely literate what would you know about pro european writing
That's retconned already.
when? how?
>That's retconned already.
Funny enough it's not, they just like to politely ignore old inconvenient lore that gets in the way of putting gays & rainbows everywhere to cover up all the raping the devs did
Orcs are still intergalactic space parasites that destroyed their own world, and half-destroyed azeroth, but becuase like 3 orcs aren't complete dickheads means #notallorcs, means everyone has to forget and forgive
its absolutely moronic, and it's understandable why you'd think it's retconned because if it isn't (it isn't) the story doesn't make any god damn sense (it doesn't)
did the devs even do any raping? We all know women lie, and I think it all started when some dame killed herself after her boss ended their steamy office romance.
Arent the post-WC2 Orcs literal refugees?
More like colonialists
People forget that the Orcs literally opened a portal in order to invade explicitly for the purpose of extermination, slavery, and conquest of Azeroth.
But they had ONE sexy half-orc lady too.
This, Black folk need the warcraft 2 announcer to angrily monologue at them till it stays in their dumb heads
Yea orcs are really cringe onions and humans are gigachad based redpilled
Grom dindu nuffin he was a good boy
>weeaboo orc samurai drinks demon cummies and kills elf god
>heh..... nuthin personel kid.........
Grom did a very good thing, actually, he killed lots of Elves and their stupid fricking treehugging demigod
shill me your favorite single player maps
they were killed by reforged
Playing through wc3 for the first time. Should I play the Rexxar bonus campaign before or after the main Frozen Throne campaign?
it's a stand-alone extra, play it after
Will do. Thanks!
Do you think any buckbreaking took place there?
what was this image referencing originally?
Not sure. I interpret it as the general fantasy trend of people defending evil fantasy races. Especially when traditionally "good" races like humans, elves, dwarves, etc btfo them for attacking them.
Funny how this trend has coincided with woke and pre-woke ideology, isn't it? And now we have orc paladins.
Fits with the general trend of those who have wormed their way into positions of influence identifying with the repulsive and anti-social and trying to drag down the well turned out and beautiful.
This really old webcomic called Goblins. At least I think it was called Goblins. It was all about goblins being victims with really over the top faces of suffering.
Man I feel old.
Yep, Goblins.
Goblins, a comic made by a guy with some mental issues (he claims he witnessed his mother getting raped). You might not be surprised to find out that he trooned out.
It's even better than that, his mom was gangraped over a period of days and he found out about it when he was ten. It was a nonissue for her since she was apparently over it. But he made it his identity.
(cont.)
I had to see if he had posted any new artwork, Goblins on suicide watch now lmao. From his website.
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>a guy with some mental issues
'Some' is an understatement:
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Humans are bad because instead of solving the green problem, they keep them alive and fertile.
How dumb do you have to be to allowing low-IQ savages in your land, free or slaves, let them reproduce and then complain about their low-IQ and constant destruction when you already knew it in the first place.
Thank goodness this is just a game and not the real life, because if that ever happens ina real life country, that country deserves to fall by its own stupidity.
They should magically alter orcs so that they only produce women and become a race of green wienersleeves
>only female species
>Mass Effect's Asari but green and fit-thicc
Hmm...
... didn't you shitpost this on /tg/ already?
This is exactly how I feel about the Krogan in Mass Effect. I genocided those pieces of shit in ME3 with a smile on my face and do every time.
I wish you do this with every alien race in Mass Effect. And humanity. The reapers did nothing wrong by the way.
so gay that ME3 forces you to come back to the Alliance. Woulda been kino if you were allowed to stay with Cerberus. Literally nothing in the story would have to be changed except the attack on the Citadel and Kai "bitchhomie" Leng.
It is funny how the message of the first two games was "mankind should work together with other races instead of going its own way" and everything significant accomplished was only because humanity/Cerberus went against the grain to forge their own path. The only thing they did wrong was getting too wienery with reaper tech and getting corrupted, their actual ideology and technological advancements were indisputable. Also in ME3 you basically just use mankind to bludgeon the other races into behaving and joining the anti-reaper coalition.
Oh frick off, cerberus was based in ME2 but cucking yourself out for some gay hive mind is peak commie shit. It's functionally suicide for both the individual and humanity, and the fact that Illusive Man was too moronic to see that in ME3 is a perfect example of how ME3 was written like shit. The "he was subtly indoctronated" excuse is bs.
Individuality, cultural and racial uniqueness are great as long as said uniqueness doesn't make one completely incompatible with greater society.
Turians, Asari, Salarians, Elcor, and Humans are all unique but more than capable of getting along.
Quarians, Volus, hanar, and drell, are iffy.
Krogan, Batarian, Vorcha, Geth, and Rachni get the rope.
>Implying humans aren't the worst of all
Mass Effect humans are way too goody two shoes for my liking considering what actual human history is like
>considering what actual human history is like
Nothing about this is unbelievable.
All sentient speicies in ME seem to be brutish in times of scarcity and fear, and get more accepting as technological advances pamper their fears away. I think it's perfectly reasonable for a civilizations brutality to be proportional to it's scarcity of needs and harsh circumstances. I judge them based on how well they seem to scale throughout this process, and where the settled once reaching the citadel.
No question about it, Asari and Salarians handled this the best by far, but Turians and Humans did fairly well. Given the contrast between 1500CE humanity and 2000CE humanity, I don't think our representation in Mass Effect is unrealistic at all. And humans aren't all that goody goody, you still have greedy fricks like Udina, xenophobes like ashley, and cautious realists like the illusive man, all of which I think are realistic.
Meanwhile krogan, batarians, and vorcha were literally handed everything they need on a silver platter like giving a baby a bottle, and still acted like massive buttholes. Frankly even the protheans had an inexcusably barbaric society given their tech levels.
I liked the "indoctrination" angle on the Illusive Man, just because you can talk him into killing himself sue to betraying his ideals.
And I know that it's a coward's way out in most stories, rather than trying to fix the shot you're broken, but here it both made the "indoctrination" something way more palpable than "this turns people into raging animals to be put down", and thematically, in that the same pride that lets you choose differently, that can lead you above the rest and towards prosperity, can also lead you towards destruction.
One of the most satisfying moments in the games was convincing Mordin to screw over Wreav and secure both Salarian and Krogan help. Get fricked Wreave. I pulled the trigger on my mate Wrex. You think I won't bury your whole failed race after I use them as foot-soldiers one last time?
this thread is garbage and i'm worse of for reading it.
Everything after tides of darkness is noncanon.
Theres nothing wrong with genocide, orcs are evil since theyre nog analogues, humans are good since theyre White
Orcs are Mongol/Hun analogues
They're more like the west's interpretation of mongols/huns, which were so brutal that some likened them to demons, punishment from god, or a force of nature instead of real humans
That the Mongols interpretation of Mongols. Ghengis Khan called himself that.
So did surviving accounts of people in east europe, most notably priests
Why weren't orcs exterminated en-masse?
They had the red eye crazies. How were they not put down like rabid dogs instead of caged like animals?
Because humans were too merciful to them.
because humans are mostly good guys, that's why
>elfs are le... strong
>get fricking BTFO and orcs raid silvermoon
>ask humans for help evendoe they are busy themselves
>rrrrrreeeee we are leaving alliance
GOD I love being human
Humans were good when they put orcs in camps. They would have become better if they converted them to labor camps. They would have become virtuous if they were death camps. They would have become champions of morality if they extended those camps to include gobs.
i want to be fricked by jaina proudmoore
You would have chances if you'd be orc or dragon.
>le noble savages in touch with nature and elements, it was THE DEVILS that made them like every other orc in fiction!
>Cue Warlords of Draenor, most if not all clans were different flavors of barbarians even before Mannoroth arrived
Heh...
Even in Warcraft 3 it didn't exactly take a big push to get Grom to go back to his old ways. I admit, as someone who hasn't played WoW since Wrath, the fact that the story since has effectively vindicated daddy Proudmoore and every other human who hated orcs is hilarious. Thrall really was the only good one.
That was never portrayed as bad in WC3. We only seen sympathetic POV from Orcs who just frick off to another lands.
Old Horde style Orcs who stayed were portrayed as pure evil
Even Admiral Proudmore and his faction in FT were never portrayed as truly evil
>keeps trying to do the "both le bad" thing
>always inadvertently make the alliance the objective good guys
lmao rofl and xd
>supposed human supremacist
>gathers a force of dwarves, ogres, trolls, goblins, centaurs, red dragons and even fricking pandaren
>chooses to trust an undead elf when he has absolutely no reason to
What the frick was his deal?
He was tsundere
In hindsight, Varian was kind of moronic for starting a war after wrathgate which he could not win and led to the rest of pic related happening, why do people like him again?