I’m have a bit of a itch for WW2 tank stuff right now but I don’t know any vidya that focuses mostly on the tanks besides these two. I know both are grind hells but out of the two which is the least frustrating. Also any alternative choices are welcomed
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War Thunder has the superior handling and physics, the feel of weight and speed a real war machine has.
I didn't even know it was a grinding game, all I did was log in, pick BT-5/7, T-50, Stug-III, Crusader and drift kill people on arcade. Never got past 2.3 because it seems everything got "slower" and "methodical".
>alternative choices
Post Scriptum if it still has people playing it.
Warthunder is you want simulation.
but everyone plays the arcade mode thats inferior for tank battles to WoT.
If you dont have an old account and think about starting WoT from scratch I would advise you to not even bother.
do you mean arcade arcade or "realistic" battles that are just normal gameplay for normal human beings?
>the feel of weight and speed a real war machine has.
HOW WOULD YOU FRICKING KNOW IF YOU ONLY PLAYED SHIT LIGHT TANKS IN FRICKING ARCADE THEN WITH THE BOOSTED HORSEPOWER???
THE GAME'S MODELING OF TANKS IS SHIT YOU GET STUCK ON FRICKING ROCKS AS A THOUSAND HORSEPOWER 60 TON TANK FRICK YOU
play war thunder it's really fun its my favorite game
No one gives a shit about driving 5 minutes to position and getting blown up realistically by the first that hits you.
Or your entire crew realistically dying from one HE shot that in reality maybe wouldn't really kill anyone of the crewmembers.
And people here are still on Mahou goon squad propaganda against WoT from 2017.
Meanwhile WoT has changed a lot and newcomers have many tools to ease the grind and to be somewhat competitive and enjoy the game.
Of course its arcade but it has its physics model it has updated current year graphics, its has things to be worth playing...
>driving 5 minutes
literally impossible unless you're playing intentionally slow dogshit like the T95.
>realistically dying from one HE shot
overpressure is a buggy mechanic, but when working as intended, it is realistic.
try standing in a metal box with 40mm of steel on the roof while I detonate 5 kilograms of TNT on the roof.
>WoT good
it literally costs 2000 dollars to max out a fricking crew, according to calculations done, any less and you are literally playing a gimped tank.
>last sentence
I have no idea what you're fricking saying, and you're using ellipses like a 70 year old typing online.
>reddit explaining
Next patch will change crew skills and leveling but for the worse if you are a free to play player. homosexuals that pay for a monthly subscription will however get an equalizer fo r their account to be on the same level as the premium(and CC and special) accounts of today.
You can make a 3 skill crew by just playing the game and getting crew members from missions and events. I never paid a cent to WG.
>the rest of your homosexualry
let me reddit explain it to you as you are a newbie.
Some clans on NA server literally got paid to do anti propaganda against WoT and even to hunt lower tier new players and make their life miserable. NA server is almost dead because of that.
One of the clans that ruined Wot general and is posting the same oold stale shit from 2017. was Mahou.
>ignores the first part of explaining gameplay
lmao
besides, if you have eyes, you can see where the enemies are, unlike in WoT with a stupid fricking camo index.
and two, by positioning yourself correctly in cover, you minimize the chance of being sniped.
>general drama
who fricking cares
also
>hunt lower tier players
thats what we call /based/ in war thunder, and it happens every few months naturally as gaijin makes events that require players to perform well, and tryhards go to stomp children for easy points.
>homosexual reddit explaining again
>/based/
have a nice day uncultured homosexual.
what the frick is reddit explaining
I'm trying to refute the points you made in the previous posts
>refuting points
What points Black person...
I am highlighting the specific parts of your response and giving a counterexample to them point by point?
you can respond by saying my examples are flawed, because to be honest they quite are, such as overpressure being a rather horseshit mechanic that works more on a diceroll than anything predictable. I don't understand what reddit explaining is? what about the formatting is "reddit"?
Simple. Facts are reddit. By responding to his bullshit with facts, you are reddit and an autist
Oh, I see it's just a simple troll in the way of
>he doesn't know
thank you, I had to keep talking on the off chance that he was being geniune, despite that being a fools errand on Ganker.
I dont read such moronation. My posts are simple and to the point.
but that is the point of the bulleted format of the reply?
it compartmentalizes differing parts of your post in order to simplify and be direct in terms of the points addressed.
>it compartmentalizes differing parts of your post in order to simplify and be direct in terms of the points addressed.
HE SAID ITS 5 MINUTES DRIVE BUT ITS LIKE TOTALY NOT
AKCSHUALLY ITS 4 MINUTES AND 59 SECONDS HAHA POINT REFUTED
DEBOONKED
I WIN I WIN I WIN I AM NOT A LOSER
even on large maps, it rarely takes more than 2 minutes for the shooting to start, as long as you're not doing something like circumnavigating the map in order to flank.
surely it's not hyperbole at that point yes?
Sure, but first spawning SPAA is a gamble with a high chance of you ACTUALLY doing absolutely nothing for 5 minutes, since you're betting that someone will spawn either a rocket rush heli firstspawn (which no one does anymore, especially in top tier)
though I suppose the ADATS is a TD which has enough pen to bonk normal MBTs anyway, so he could be not wasting his time since he could both look for tanks and aircraft to kill at the same time.
still weird to do it though.
I'll admit I'm using da big words as a joke. especially since it's been confirmed that this is an elaborate joke.
Wait those were supposed to be big words?
well, yes.
being a dipshit with a thesaurus makes them kinda big when i could have just kept with the tone and said "it's literally a bulleted list moron, that's as simple as it gets"
I rushed mid, shot an enemy tank got a kill, then immediately died because two enemy tanks were there and got traded out.
still, i guess my reaction was hyperbolic, but that's the nature of trying to be funny while also not being really all that funny
and you were hoping to rush a base, J out and get free kills only to get smacked out of the sky by someone anticipating it
get fricked Black person
In real life they drive around for days and maneuver around the frontline and sometimes get rekt by long distance missile or drone without ever engaging the enemy. No one gives a shit about realism. No one wants to dig in a tank with a shovel in the muds of some muddy eastern European shithole while frost is biting their toes and their rations are moldy because its from some USSR depot or traveled across an ocean and two seas and got soiled on the way.
So you are choosing arcade thats honest about it and where choices between "realism" and arcade are made so its more fun for the players.
And between "simulation" thats just unfun arcade video game anyway.
it's a tank combat game.
war thunder does a better job of having tank combat than wot does with it's HP bars.
It's not realistic in terms of historical accuracy in any sense (israeli tanks can meet nazi german tanks for frick's sake)
also, tanks in game perform to "spec" rather than IRL conditions which means tiger transmissions dont explode, and russian lying in design documents gets added in.
>it's a tank combat game
lmao neither of these games are for people who like tanks
HP bars are honest design.
As he said
the engine for WoT was developed to be some Orcs versus Elves RPG arena battles.
The Orc(IS-7) casts a fireball(shoots a 130mm HEAT shell) and it hits(with dispersion values and accuracy and other factors and RNG) the target Elf(Leopard) in the 70mm hull armor(leather armor) and penetrates for 490 + - 25% damage and does critical hit to his legs (tracks).
its an honest game its doesnt larp as some hard core simulator and in occasion some 183mm gun hits you and one shots or 152mm gun in lower tiers you feel like you ate a piece of shit while the homosexual that one shot you feels like he won the lottery.
while WT isnt exactly the most honest game, if a 76mm shell is penetrating the side of a tiger, everyone in it's path is to put it gently, fricking blended.
of course, you can argue about gaijin's modeling of solid shot vs APHE, which British mains have cried about for years now.
oh and also crew vitality i guess which is a hidden HP bar in war thunder that allows your crew to survive a 7.62 rifle round once.
shooting a tank in the side and dealing an arbitrary amount of HP damage feels weird to me now, which makes playing more casual FPSes involving tanks weird.
see
This may come as a shock to you but people want that.
Well probably theres like more than 10 of them certainly, but theres 130K people logged onto EU server playing WoT right now.
that's like saying ready or not is worse than fricking idk valorant or apex legends because you dont spend 10 hours a day filing paperwork before 1 hour of actual SWAT action and therefore realism must be abandoned as a whole and lets just play magic bullshit
Its more like saying Counter strike doesnt really depict counter terrorist special forces dealing against terrorists.
Its a mod for game that was basically a mod of Quake with some of Quake 2. But why did it get so popular?
Can a man live trough getting shot in the legs by AK bullets and still run around?
I have no problem with being one shot if I can also one shot others.
Back in the day I don't remember them handing out premium that much. I guess the playerbase is shrinking so that's why now...
The problem with that is it promotes passive camping and ambushes and the side that would try to attack first would lose a couple vehicles early and then it would just snowball from there.
WoT already has that problem but from a different source.
Playing only makes sense because of those 20% of battles that are really tight and you have to outplay the enemies to win.
The instant losess that you know are lost by the end of first two minutes ae no fun.
Dunno, I had multiple tier 10s in WoT years ago(sometime when jap or chinese tanks were new) and then later played up to the comet and panthers in WT.
If I had to compare I had more fun in WT in that time than in all my hours of WoT.
>Everyone plays arcade
But you get games in a few second playing realistic too?
I dont know.
both suck dick, but warthunder is much better low level in arcade you can even have fun at 1.0 battlerating something which is impossible in WoT
Both are shit.
I recently reinstalled WoT and that game is a shadow of its former self. Almost every homosexual is running some premium Black personmobile shooting gold ammo. I've tried playing basically all tiers and in three hours of gameplay I haven't had a single remotely fun game.
WT has some fricked up balance (for both ammo and vehicles) and homosexuals running p2w bushes on tanks, but being able to take out tanks with well placed shots is a much better way of handling things than the stupidity of WoT's HP system, in which being bottom tier is basically a death sentence as the top tier vehicles are basically unkillable HP walls and for them you're a three-four shot target.
War Thunder, for WW2 tank combat is amazing. You can unlock everything low tier WW2 fairly quickly without paying anything or grinding that much. You can play realistic, or sim for a more authentic experience and arcade if you want something more handheld. Be aware that there will be people in low tier realistic battles that are level 100 and play reserve tier to club newbies and pad their stats. You can avoid them by playing arcade early on.
WarThunder is far better IMO, on top of the fact that WoT p2w practices are far worse than Gaijin's.
At least most of premiums tanks in WT aren't really better than the techtree counterparts and most people who play them are shitters anyway.
play war thunder, i need more newbies to shitstomp into submission
CHINA MAIN BROS WWA?
没有共产党就没有新中国。
>no H-5 with it's FAB-3000
Why? It's a mini nuke on a fast platform.
unnecessary when you can just spawn a real nuke instead
>2500sp vs 750sp
C'mon, a cap and a kill and you get a bomb that grants you 3 kills easy.
nah I'd rather keep killing shit and drop a fat one
I want to violently frick Yukari
Biggest difference between those two are the damage models. World of Tonks runs on a more arcade-y model, where tanks are big blobs of hitpoints that die when that hp bar is depleted. Wart Hunder has a slightly more realistic model, where modules and crew have their own hp values, with modules breaking and crew dying when out of hp, with the tank itself dying when it runs out of crew.
In short, WoT lets pay for a tank with more HP, WT lets you pay for a shinier tank that dies just as easily as everything else. If P2W is a dealbreaker, stop reading here, you already know everything relevant.
Another thing to consider is the variety of vehicles. WoT has tanks and artillery vehicles, WT has very little in the way of artillery but brings in aircraft and anti-air vehicles. So you get to choose between dying to something you never saw or heard, or noticing an airplane coming straight for you and knowing you'll be dead two seconds from now.
Finally, consider playing Enlisted instead. It runs on WT's engine, but restricts viewpoints to inside of vehicle only. Makes spotting and situational awareness much harder.
reminder that doge is such a stupid fricking Black person that the idea of someone spawning SPAA to protect their team from his rocket rush CAS is an alien concept to him
Both are shit
play Warthunder Mobile instead
>only in the kebab language
you dont need to know the language to understand numbers, homosexual
Can't have a war thunder thread without it being invaded by schizos from /wtg/
This is just copy pasted thread he made 999 times
Maybe play an actual wargame or tank simulator instead of an awful FPS with tank models.
>tank simulator
Name one that is not Steel Beasts or Sabow
GUNNER HEAT
>tank simulator instead of an awful FPS with tank models
>GUNNER HEAT
Really? It's not even finished game. And it plays like WT "aka FPS with tank models". Next try?
>And it plays like WT
Lol no it doesn't, you never even touched it
>you never even touched it
I'm pretty sure it's you who never touched Steel Beasts or Sabow. Otherwise you would post shit about tank sims.
Everyone has played steel beasts
No. It's the opposite because game is very niche.
It's sub based sim. And it had fricking physical DRM years ago (you need to buy special USB key to play it).
and sabow is
GHPC doesn't even have functional gunner/driver/commander/ stations. In Sabow you have neat control scheme
The original steel beasts was cracked on release.
The original steel beasts is ancient game that barely has anything to do with current pro version. If anything it was played by like 2 anons from Ganker. It wasn't Jane's sim at all. Graviteam made T-72: Balkans in Fire decades that was played by 2 slavs too. Posting play "real tank simulator" is just moronic. GHPC also doesn't even aim to be sabow or SB. It was made as alternative to WT with 2 devs in team.
>The original steel beasts is ancient game that barely has anything to do with current pro
But it's an actual good game.
don't bother, they both suck for different reasons
play WoT
WoT is never ending p2w MMO with no pay off, the grind never ends and at no point you are having fun. Atleast in WT you can sort of have fun at lower BRs.
>WoT is p2w
>in comparison to WT
?????????
WoT has premium shells, that on itself it's more disgusting than whatever Gaijin does.
Out of that list you posted the only thing that can be considered "Pay 2 Win" is the Su-25, which got uptiered to 10.0 now so it's useless.
WoT you can earn everything just by playing the game. They hand out Premium days like candy too. Can you earn everything in WT just by playing as well?
Yea, takes a long ass time, but you can.
Technically, yes. Practically no. There's a bunch of old event reward vehicles that can't be obtained with normal gameplay. But there's an ingame market where you can buy stuff from other players, so technically you can wait for a farm even, farm the shit out of it and sell the stuff you get, and buy the old stuff you want.
And then there's a couple of vehicles that were pruned from the tech tree and are not available in any way. Can't earn them, can't buy them.
>WoT you can earn everything just by playing the game.
I have a 12 year old account and all tech tree tanks.
But that is misleading. You will lose a shitload of battles if you play stock tanks with 75% crews and with mismatched equipment and no gold ammo no food.
WoT in reality costs like $150 per year to play.
>WoT has premium shells, that on itself it's more disgusting than whatever Gaijin does.
Pretty sure you can buy those for credits now, not just gold.
It still pretty fricking gay tbh.
Just give it's historical shells like WT does, charging money to have a better shell instead of just letting people research it normally is just scummy.
gunner heat pc is ok as a middleground between autism and arcade
>world of tanks
>kill tank
>get obliterated by artillery
>war thunder
>kill tank
>get obliterated by CAS
the only winning move is not to play
based and realisticpilled
i shouldn't have to play your shitty ground mode to dab on you subhumans with 250kg JDAMs
play wot if you want some moba vidya with tank skins and some systems that abstract tank things
play wt if you want something closer to actual tank things but you'll just end up seething about the fricked up things in the game anyway
These games are normie Black person garbage.
>Can't balance a tank
>Better remove it from germ tree
So this is the power of WT huh?
How would you balance it though?
Below 7.7 is literally unkillable, above 7.7 everything can kill it.
It's either indestructible or absolutely useless that's the issue.
>Anything with 90mm M3
>CAS
>literally unkillable
Or you could just kill all of it's crew with big gun HE rounds via overpressure
piece of shit like this shouldn't be in the game, simple as
frick paper prototype shit tanks that never went into service
None. Both suck all the joy out of playing games. You are unironically better paying asshomosexuals. Stay away.
both are shit games, but world of tanks is a much shittier game
War thunda
I plan to come back for the dogfights, even if it's full of pretty experienced people in any game. I'm not a tank troony and I think that shit is for girls, Naval combat is boring to me. But that's the point of WT being able to choose. And yes p2w is bullshit.
prop planes are still about the dogfights
but high tier jets are now BVR battles where you have to look at your radar screen and incoming radar indicator instead of the enemy themselves which are 20km away.
yes, war thunder is closer to a tank game than WoT is, thanks for agreeing.
No it isnt.
Neither games are.
Tank warfare is 90% lobbing HE rounds at max range into buildings and infantry and other vehicles and hardpoints.
10% and maybe now even less are tank versus tank engagements that happen once in a month after lots of time of no action or anything.
Here is the only close range footage from the entire year of war.
On mobile so wont elaborate much but i dont feel like WT is grindy at all
>no equipment grinding, at most you need fpe and ammo, sometimes
>BRs are mostly balanced for ground lkw tier
>you can get all equips for a 3.0 tank in one good battle unironically, 3 or 5 normal games
And then your tank is good to go forever, also plenty of ppl play realistic, not sure what the casuals itt are whining about, arcade takes away all fun of the game since everyone has wallhacks, ambushes are literally impossible and it becomes wot 2.0 aka a permanent camping game
Also wot is 100% camping all game every game, idk how people have fun with that
what's wrong with ambushes?
passive camping isn't a problem, especially if you play a nation with smoke shells as you can play the objective and deny vision to enemy gamers in sniping spots.
>pop out of any spot in wot
>immediately gets hit by 3+ people in bushes
Just dont find it fun personally, in wt camping is nowhere near as prevalent from my experience, played up until the second KT, i think thats 6.3-7.0 BR
Probably has to do with wt not having "vision mechanics", if the camper can see you you can see him, same isnt true in wot
>if the camper can see you you can see him
lol
lmao even
You understood my post, bushes are cancer but not really common and obtainable for free, not the same thing
Also not the same wtf youre confusing render distance with literal spotting mechanics that will prevent you from seeing a tank out in the open shooting at you no matter what
No confusion here. The same spotting mechanics are there, just tuned in a not stupid way.
There are no spotting mechanics in WT that remove your model. If that ever happens, it's just render culling bugs.
Technically WT does have the same vision mechanics, they're just tuned differently. Tanks rarely are far enough for them to disappear entirely, but for example in ship battles large ships have trouble seeing torpedo boats beyond 3km unless you're using binoculars in their direction.
>ambushes are literally impossible and it becomes wot 2.0 aka a permanent camping game
lmao its other way around, RB is gay hiding behind p2w bushes and pixel hunting other campers while arcade you have to move because everyone sees you anyway.
>apples or oranges
I prefer WoT Blitz.
Are we a WT ARCADE MODE CHAD THREAD?
These games are vile.
If you want the real feeling of a tank, there are certain games that focus entirely on it, like “Gunner, HEAT, PC”
If you want more of a combined arms experience, while commanding a tank, that has most of the realism of GHP, then try out Red Ochestra 2 for WW2 tanks, and Arma 3 for modern tanks.
Both of these games can have AI replacing missing players as tank crewmen, however, it’s absolutely glorious to bring a couple of friends along on voice. Put one on the gun, another on in the drivers seat, and if you have a third and fourth, coaxial gunner and radio operator.
Then, as a tank commander, you can guide these noobs to victory. It’s glorious.
Adding to this, WT players should check out Enlisted. Same engine, same damage models, but the lack of godmode camera and actually being on a crewmember's seat makes the experience vastly different