>too mean
his Rated E insults like calling you "weak" and "wimp" come across as lame disses, honestly.
But i guess i shouldn't expect good trashtalk from a game made for little children.
Silver is better than most rivals but is still pretty overrated. He talks mad shit but can't even back it up. All his dialog is try hard-y and pathetic (which may have been the point).
>Was he a good rival?
His battles were alright, I found them easy even as a kid but I remember my friends from school made fun of one the dudes in our friend group for wiping to Silver's Gastly
Good in GSC. I liked how nebulous and unclear his motives were there. "Silver is Giovanni's son!" is modern explanation that first appeared in FRLG manga but in Gen 2 we never got exact answer what was his deal. We just know that he had hateboner for weaklings and Team Rocket and was very childish and inexperienced.
There's also more stuff that isn't as surface level, like how his Sneasel is actually stolen from a guy in Cianwood, which explains how he got one before Mt. Silver. And the fact that he chose to resort to stealing his very first Pokémon instead of catching it or recieving it from someone hints towards a bad upbringing (that and the fact that he is possibly a sociopath). You know he is not a criminal by choice though, as he is very clear about his views on Team Rocket. He probably just had a rough childhood. All of this stuff you can infer from his actions, which is incredible writing and worldbuilding.
Silver should be the golden standard for character writing, not just in Pokémon, but in all of gaming.
said, GSC is all about letting you explore and make your own conclusions. But given how vague everything else was, the fact that Giovanni has a son is a huge piece of the puzzle.
Mopping the floor with butthole jerk rivals is way more satisfying
Especially when they're c**ts afterward
Running into Hop who throws out early route mons 15 levels weaker than you and goes "haha I'll win this time bestie! ;P" followed by "oh jeez you've become so much stronger than last time!" is complete crap and a waste of time
As usual, morons completely miss the point of Silver's character even though it's literal spelled out to you during the course of the game if you actually payed attention instead of just mindlessly spamming A.
When Silver calls you "weak", he isn't saying you're a weak trainer, he's saying you're a weak person. Specifically, weak for caring about your Pokémon and treating them with respect. This is all made clear in the first two interactions with him at the very start of the game.
The most obvious tell however, is when Team Rocket is brought up. He also refers to them as weak. Why? Team Rocket are weak because they have to resort to grouping up and ganging on vulnerable people/Pokémon in order to get shit done, whereas Silver does everything himself.
Silver views himself as stronger than you because he is purely focused on being the stronger trainer. He does not care about other people, he does not care about the world, heck, he doesn't even care about his own Pokémon, they are merely tools to make HIMSELF excel at his primary goal; being the strongest trainer.
That is why he calls you weak every time you beat him. He thinks he can become the strongest trainer with just brute force. However, if you paid attention to the dialogue, like I said before, you would notice him start to doubt himself several times during his journey to the League. The first time is after his encounter with Lance, where he questions his way of going about things. It's not enough to change his mindset just yet, but the seed of doubt has been planted in his mind. Then, after your final battle with him before the League, he finally realises why you have been beating him every time. What you possess and he lacks.
After this he doesn't appear again until quite far into the postgame, at Mt. Silver, where you have your penultimate battle before his fully powered up team. However, one detail many seem to miss is that after beating him at Victory Road, he can be seen training in Dragon's Den on certain days. There's no reason to go there again after getting the Rising Badge unless you missed the Dratini, but it's a neat little detail. Dragon's Den is where trainers are tested on their love, trust and knowledge on Pokémon training, and if you talk to him here he mentions not pushing his Pokémon too hard, so it is a really cool detail that adds to his character arc.
So, back to the Mt. Moon encounter. His Kadabra and Haunter are now finally evolved into Alakazam and Gengar. This shows that he has improved on one aspect of himself that he previously lacked: caring about other people. It shows that he took the time to interact with others and arrange trades so he could evolve his Pokémon into their strongest form.
And then we arrive at the League for his strongest team. This time, his Golbat has finally evolved into Crobat. He has finally achieved that last part he was missing. He has learned to love his Pokémon and treat them with compassion and respect.
This is why Silver is still the best rival, and probably will never be topped. He literally could not become the strongest version of himself because he was lacking the most important characteristics of a good Pokémon trainer, but through battling you, you show him what he is missing. He is still the determined trainer with big dreams, but he turned from an edgy thieving little shit into a kind and respectful kid, just like you.
There's also more stuff that isn't as surface level, like how his Sneasel is actually stolen from a guy in Cianwood, which explains how he got one before Mt. Silver. And the fact that he chose to resort to stealing his very first Pokémon instead of catching it or recieving it from someone hints towards a bad upbringing (that and the fact that he is possibly a sociopath). You know he is not a criminal by choice though, as he is very clear about his views on Team Rocket. He probably just had a rough childhood. All of this stuff you can infer from his actions, which is incredible writing and worldbuilding.
Silver should be the golden standard for character writing, not just in Pokémon, but in all of gaming.
After this he doesn't appear again until quite far into the postgame, at Mt. Silver, where you have your penultimate battle before his fully powered up team. However, one detail many seem to miss is that after beating him at Victory Road, he can be seen training in Dragon's Den on certain days. There's no reason to go there again after getting the Rising Badge unless you missed the Dratini, but it's a neat little detail. Dragon's Den is where trainers are tested on their love, trust and knowledge on Pokémon training, and if you talk to him here he mentions not pushing his Pokémon too hard, so it is a really cool detail that adds to his character arc.
So, back to the Mt. Moon encounter. His Kadabra and Haunter are now finally evolved into Alakazam and Gengar. This shows that he has improved on one aspect of himself that he previously lacked: caring about other people. It shows that he took the time to interact with others and arrange trades so he could evolve his Pokémon into their strongest form.
And then we arrive at the League for his strongest team. This time, his Golbat has finally evolved into Crobat. He has finally achieved that last part he was missing. He has learned to love his Pokémon and treat them with compassion and respect.
This is why Silver is still the best rival, and probably will never be topped. He literally could not become the strongest version of himself because he was lacking the most important characteristics of a good Pokémon trainer, but through battling you, you show him what he is missing. He is still the determined trainer with big dreams, but he turned from an edgy thieving little shit into a kind and respectful kid, just like you.
There's also more stuff that isn't as surface level, like how his Sneasel is actually stolen from a guy in Cianwood, which explains how he got one before Mt. Silver. And the fact that he chose to resort to stealing his very first Pokémon instead of catching it or recieving it from someone hints towards a bad upbringing (that and the fact that he is possibly a sociopath). You know he is not a criminal by choice though, as he is very clear about his views on Team Rocket. He probably just had a rough childhood. All of this stuff you can infer from his actions, which is incredible writing and worldbuilding.
Silver should be the golden standard for character writing, not just in Pokémon, but in all of gaming.
All he did was whine like a b***h, get beat, and whine even more. They want you to care about him turning a new leaf, but I just wanted him to go away. He sucked and his fights were too easy
I would almost say he is ambiguous to a fault. He is not your rival so much as you are his diary to which he narrates his opinions and doubts, after which he leaves and you think "oh, that's nice?". Though I will say that his following you into the basement to get a chance at actually bopping Team Rocket only for you to repel him was a nice touch.
He's good as an antagonist but not as a rival imo.
What makes you say that?
This. His battles weren't particularly challenging.
>too mean
his Rated E insults like calling you "weak" and "wimp" come across as lame disses, honestly.
But i guess i shouldn't expect good trashtalk from a game made for little children.
Still the best rival to date.
He's boring
Yes
Silver is better than most rivals but is still pretty overrated. He talks mad shit but can't even back it up. All his dialog is try hard-y and pathetic (which may have been the point).
>He talks mad shit but can't even back it up.
so just like his dad lel
Well, you know what they say
>Was he a good rival?
His battles were alright, I found them easy even as a kid but I remember my friends from school made fun of one the dudes in our friend group for wiping to Silver's Gastly
He was GAY
Good in GSC. I liked how nebulous and unclear his motives were there. "Silver is Giovanni's son!" is modern explanation that first appeared in FRLG manga but in Gen 2 we never got exact answer what was his deal. We just know that he had hateboner for weaklings and Team Rocket and was very childish and inexperienced.
Like you
said, GSC is all about letting you explore and make your own conclusions. But given how vague everything else was, the fact that Giovanni has a son is a huge piece of the puzzle.
*Like you and
Ugh.
Mopping the floor with butthole jerk rivals is way more satisfying
Especially when they're c**ts afterward
Running into Hop who throws out early route mons 15 levels weaker than you and goes "haha I'll win this time bestie! ;P" followed by "oh jeez you've become so much stronger than last time!" is complete crap and a waste of time
As usual, morons completely miss the point of Silver's character even though it's literal spelled out to you during the course of the game if you actually payed attention instead of just mindlessly spamming A.
When Silver calls you "weak", he isn't saying you're a weak trainer, he's saying you're a weak person. Specifically, weak for caring about your Pokémon and treating them with respect. This is all made clear in the first two interactions with him at the very start of the game.
The most obvious tell however, is when Team Rocket is brought up. He also refers to them as weak. Why? Team Rocket are weak because they have to resort to grouping up and ganging on vulnerable people/Pokémon in order to get shit done, whereas Silver does everything himself.
Silver views himself as stronger than you because he is purely focused on being the stronger trainer. He does not care about other people, he does not care about the world, heck, he doesn't even care about his own Pokémon, they are merely tools to make HIMSELF excel at his primary goal; being the strongest trainer.
That is why he calls you weak every time you beat him. He thinks he can become the strongest trainer with just brute force. However, if you paid attention to the dialogue, like I said before, you would notice him start to doubt himself several times during his journey to the League. The first time is after his encounter with Lance, where he questions his way of going about things. It's not enough to change his mindset just yet, but the seed of doubt has been planted in his mind. Then, after your final battle with him before the League, he finally realises why you have been beating him every time. What you possess and he lacks.
After this he doesn't appear again until quite far into the postgame, at Mt. Silver, where you have your penultimate battle before his fully powered up team. However, one detail many seem to miss is that after beating him at Victory Road, he can be seen training in Dragon's Den on certain days. There's no reason to go there again after getting the Rising Badge unless you missed the Dratini, but it's a neat little detail. Dragon's Den is where trainers are tested on their love, trust and knowledge on Pokémon training, and if you talk to him here he mentions not pushing his Pokémon too hard, so it is a really cool detail that adds to his character arc.
So, back to the Mt. Moon encounter. His Kadabra and Haunter are now finally evolved into Alakazam and Gengar. This shows that he has improved on one aspect of himself that he previously lacked: caring about other people. It shows that he took the time to interact with others and arrange trades so he could evolve his Pokémon into their strongest form.
And then we arrive at the League for his strongest team. This time, his Golbat has finally evolved into Crobat. He has finally achieved that last part he was missing. He has learned to love his Pokémon and treat them with compassion and respect.
This is why Silver is still the best rival, and probably will never be topped. He literally could not become the strongest version of himself because he was lacking the most important characteristics of a good Pokémon trainer, but through battling you, you show him what he is missing. He is still the determined trainer with big dreams, but he turned from an edgy thieving little shit into a kind and respectful kid, just like you.
There's also more stuff that isn't as surface level, like how his Sneasel is actually stolen from a guy in Cianwood, which explains how he got one before Mt. Silver. And the fact that he chose to resort to stealing his very first Pokémon instead of catching it or recieving it from someone hints towards a bad upbringing (that and the fact that he is possibly a sociopath). You know he is not a criminal by choice though, as he is very clear about his views on Team Rocket. He probably just had a rough childhood. All of this stuff you can infer from his actions, which is incredible writing and worldbuilding.
Silver should be the golden standard for character writing, not just in Pokémon, but in all of gaming.
>Silver should be the golden standard for character writing, not just in Pokémon, but in all of gaming
Holy kek read a book.
didn't read lol
zoom zoom
no one wants to read a wall of text
All he did was whine like a b***h, get beat, and whine even more. They want you to care about him turning a new leaf, but I just wanted him to go away. He sucked and his fights were too easy
>his fights were too easy
It's Pokemon, what were you expecting?
That's my point, they were too easy even for Pokemon
>Do you also think he was too mean as a character?
He literally does nothing but seethe that he can't beat you, it's all a cope.
The Best
I would almost say he is ambiguous to a fault. He is not your rival so much as you are his diary to which he narrates his opinions and doubts, after which he leaves and you think "oh, that's nice?". Though I will say that his following you into the basement to get a chance at actually bopping Team Rocket only for you to repel him was a nice touch.