Was he based or cringe?
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Was he based or cringe?
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based cringelord
This.
Anon never misses
Wanting to nuke corpos is based as frick.
But he's a cringe person.
Binge or crased? Which way does he lean to?
Cringe, but in a based way.
>Cringe, but in a based way.
this
I feel like the whole point is he's a narcissist who's at least smart enough to know the corpos are fricking him, but not much more than that. Which is cool imo.
>Muamar talking about the water being poisoned in santo domingo
>"I bet it's fricking Arasaka"
>it actually was Arasaka's fault
This. Johnny is a moron who can only see the world through the paranoid, vengeful lens he has created - but through sheer luck and the dystopian nature of the world V lives in he's usually right. His solutions and giving into his worldview will usually get you the best results, despite causing you and those around you the most harm.
If you follow Johnny's wishes throughout the game you never take your blue pills, you wouldn't help Panam or Judy past their initial quests and Rouge gets killed in his preferred ending.
If there were some actual interesting gameplay effects to ignoring Johnny, not just missing out on content, it would be a pretty powerful dilemma to face. Do you want to blaze way down the rebel path and die a legend, or use your own survival instincts to make it out on your own terms?
To be fair, Night City was pretty much tailor made to allow corps to do whatever they wanted. It's not exactly a stretch at all to think that a corp did some shit, and they did, and no one actually cares.
it's arasaka damn near every time anon not even worth mentioning at this point
even on the offshoot that this time it isn't it's always some other megacorp
that's just how this setting works
if you're paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed
>celebrity cameo
always cringe. always.
>inb4 it's not a cameo he's in the game for longer than a few seconds
You get the point, smartass.
I have never been a movie guy, so I didn't know who Keanu Reeves was before the 2019 E3 presentation caused the "You're breathtaking" meme. I have no attachment to him as an actor. Still, I enjoyed his performance as Johnny Silverhand, and I struggle to imagine anyone else in that role. Something similar happened to me for Death Stranding. I don't even see any of the characters as actors since I don't know anyone who plays them.
I didn't know him until that day either, but simply knowing he's a celeb make me frown.
t. petty b***h, I know.
if you're not a movie guy then obviously you'd struggle to imagine anyone else in that role.
Fair.
Why would you get interested in a Cyberpunk game, withouth knowing about shit like Matrix or Johnny Mnemonic? There was a reason why Keanu got picked for 2077, and while execution lacked, the idea made sense. Were you guys 12 in 2019 or something?
I never played cyberpunk. checkmate.
I saw the game being widely discussed on Ganker, watched some trailers, and really liked what I saw.
>Why would you get interested in a Cyberpunk game
At the time CDPRs last big release was insanely well received, and its second DLC included a fully sized additional region among other things. CDPR had a great reputation.
Given the context of him being, you know, a actual in-universe celebrity, I actually think it kinda works in this case.
I'm sadly less sold on Idris, couldn't get past his fake American accent.
Know exactly what you mean but it worked for me. He sounded unnatural which helped his spy persona. What's funny is he has a good American accent I didn't know he was English when I saw the wire.
Based. Frick terminal stage capitalism. Arasaka deserved what happened to them.
>muh celebrity hate
I've been playing Cyberpunk before you were a swimmer in your daddy's nutsack and Keanu did a 10/10 job depicting Silverhand.
Ok pondsmith go make a tabletop game about 2077
>frick capitalism
>how dare you insult productman, let me tell you how long I consoom product
>all industry is bad, including Mike Pondsmith, a self-made black man running a rinky dink operation out of his garage
>that is totally the same as supporting tech giants like Arasaka that are on the verge of providing immortality to trillionaire psychopaths like Saburo GOTCHA
moron.
You re just suporting keanu chungus inserting in an unrelated tabletop character in a videogame that frontload/ gaslight a shit game made
Pondsmith is a plagiarist
I have no evidence of this but will now blindly believe it and say it in every cyberpunk thread to specifically annoy the Johnny worshipping TTRPG nerd who keeps shitting every discussion up.
What did he plagiarize? Neuromancer?
see, this is why i don't buy games. i just play them.
>frick capitalism
>defends celebrity worship
Jesus fricking Christ mate
>celebrity worship
I liked the guy in the role in a setting that I've been playing in for 20+ years schizo.
based but the culture that developed around him is cringe
I thought he was foolish. Only wanted destruction of society, didn't want to affect change in any meaningful way outside of causing misery for others. I think his hate of corpos is cool, but that's where it ends.
Oh hey Goro
> Goro what are you doing?! You were supossed to kidnap hanako not shoot Abe
He becomes based as he comes to terms with how cringe he was in life.
Philosophy 101
Damn that's a good summary
He was the guy that dreams of starting a band one day, but still lives in a van down the river. Might look cool and impressive for a teen, but when he reaches middle age and hits thirty, you realize he will never make it, he refused to grow up and got stuck in the cringey edgelord puberty and makes excuses for himself. It's easy to blame Arasaka, it's difficult to selfreflect on his own lifechoice.
I like him. He takes a while to warm up to you but when he does he's really ride-or-die but ready to course-correct you if you start losing your shit. Sure, you could say it's partially because he knows if we go down, he goes down too, but it's clear he cares about V more than just superficially or situationally.
Plus he tried to blow up corposhits and that's based.
>killing hundreds of thousands of civilians because he hates corporations
In the TTRPG, Johnny Silverhand's plan was sabotaged by Morgan Blackhand. Johnny never meant to kill civilians. I get Johnny's in-game memories aren't 100% accurate since it's literally Johnny's eyewitness testimony, but I wish they had allusions to this at all.
Well in the ACTUAL RPG, the one, you know, people are playing and not some moronic tabletop shit, he still managed to get thousands of civilians killed because he's an edgy tryhard
Did Morgan hate Johnny or was it more like he got into a fight with Adam Smasher and it got out of hand? I remember hearing something about this but I've never heard the full story behind that particular incident.
Johnny is a literal side character who gets introduced by getting cut in half by adam smasher
that's it
Morgan is half nusa/militech glowy agent its curious it doesnt appear in the last dlc or isnt even named
Mike asked CDPR not to use him because he has other plans for the character.
I assume the whole reason they ended up with Johnny is that Johnny is a nobody throwaway character with like two paragraphs in all of Pondsmith's work. Pondsmith likely doesn't give a shit about Silverhand's """lore""" at all. CDPR making a whole game based around him gives a false impression of Johhny's importance. Johnny's only real description/action is how he got disemboweled by Smasher and died a loser's death. That's about it.
t. saburo
Try finishing the game before talking about the character motivations
Oh I'm sorry, he set up a nuke but "didn't mean" to kill innocent civilians
he set up a thermonuclear weapon with the intention of only hurting "bad people"
What makes you think johnny gives a shit about innocent civilians? I swear to god marvel has done a fricking number on media literacy. Not every protagonist is a carebear "only nonlethal" batman homosexual
because when he's being strapped into the machine he says how he didn't mean to kill civilians, you fricking mongoloid
Thats the most cringe and out of character he should be said to the chink her husband got the wrong job
So when you did all the missions about arasaka using the relic to edit personalities and memories, why do you think they did that?
The nuke was supposed to go off deep in Arasaka's basement, collapsing the tower but remaining contained to the site
For *some reason* it detonated prematurely, in the 100th floor, meaning it was now an airburst and wrecked a huge chunk of Night City outside the building, killing tens of thousands of people in the streets who didn't even work for Arasaka
This was definitely not Johnny's plan but it was somebody's
He was still the triggerman and knew that such a thing could possibly happen. He really thought NO CIVILIANS would be hurt at all?
>blowing up a nuke in the basement will destroy the tower but leaves everything around unharmed
You cant possibly be that moronic
it's a hyper advanced Cyber-nuke militech made, don't question it
"Below ground level nukes frick things up less badly than airbursts" has been common knowledge since the 1940s
yeah sure but that entire district is toast either way
They also used more the one nuke meaning the tower most likely can withstand a frickton of power
Yeah thats what im saying
you moron have never read up about the conclusions about the NOOK testing, have you? Hint: they detonated several thousand of them in various configurations to figure out peak performance. Underground nooking (bunker buster groundbursts) is definitely a thing used for precision destruction with limited surface damage
"Limited surface damage" means absolute jack shit in a densely populated city with a scifi footur nuke
Hello lorelets. Johnny is a unreliable narrator (hence Morgan Blackhand not even being in the operation's flashback). Johnny is basically the ultimate gaslighting victim. Arasaka never gave a frick about him until he bombed their HQ and got soulkiller'd. He just surrounded himself by people who were actual targets (Alt Cunningham being the main one)
>until he bombed their HQ
Ah, good to know you acknowledge he did it then and is therefore responsible for mass civilian death
you moron
He was with the group but basically did nothing and got chopped in half by adam smasher instantly. Zero input on planning or execution
>He essentially dun nothing wrong
>Except join them and mow down defences, arm and set the bomb, shoot the elevator release mechanism, and then-
Shut the frick up, lorelet
join them and mow down defences, arm and set the bomb, shoot the elevator release mechanism, and then-
but he didn't do any of that, that's the point. the flashbacks in the game are basically johnny bragging to a girl he's trying to impress at the bar, they aren't actually what happened.
bullshit
Rouge actively acknowleges these are things that Johnny had done, especially if you decide to take rouge with you on the mission
everything until he got shot by smasher was Johnny
i can't take you seriously when you can't even type Rogue correctly
>heh, I typo, guess I win
Shut up lorelet
>i'm so good at lore i can't even type a basic english word correctly
anon please do your reading reps
also Rogue only says she liked Johnny and was there at Arasaka
Why are you lying, anon
They mention the roof defences explicitly and say how it's been upgraded since last time and they talk about the layout
again, you're a lorelet
Don't talk about what you don't know
Rogue actively gargles Arasaka cum. Did you forget your conversation with grayson?
He was complicit but it was Blackhand's operation using a nuke acquired from his buddies at Militech and he didn't give a frick about the casualties.
Also this. He may or may not have even armed the damn thing and was killed long before he ever reached the rooftop. He's a unreliable narrator.
I highly doubt it's a retcon. It's Johnny being an egomaniac and making himself out to be cooler and more of the main character than he actually was. We'll see the REAL events in a flashback with Morgan Blackhand in Orion. Only problem is, we killed Smasher.
>disliking Refused
>cyberPUNK
Pleb filtered.
i never really said it was a retcon, just that it was a sidestory they couldn't feature in game most likely due to a stipulation from Mike Pondsmith
But did we really kill Smasher? Arasaka built him up from nothing, Smasher had so little meat on him already. Saka can also store an insane amount of Engrams and it probably wouldn't be much of a stretch to say they had "backups" of him.
in 2077 tech of soulkiller and engrams don't allow copying person without killing him. Its is not suited for making ''backups'', person is killed in teh process.
>teh
opinion disregarded, learn to spell.
there's an entire quest about making a backup of Lizzy Wizzy. It's the 2023 tech that required killing you, by 2077 they're literally offering backups as a paid service advertised on TV.
>by 2077 they're literally offering backups as a paid service advertised on TV.
At the same time they cant transfer any engrams back into bodies. "Immortality for teh rich" programs hangs on the thread behind schedule.
Johnny was first random success.
did you know there's literally companies freezing millionnaires today in the real world, and they don't have the tech to thaw them out. pretty much the same thing, you're basically gambling on them figuring out the tech to revive you in the future.
There's been scam companies doing that since the 70's. When they run out of money and go bankrupt they throw the bodies in a dumpster out back, literally. Lmao.
>Johnny is a unreliable narrator
100% not true. The only reason why Blackhand was not in CP2077 was because Mike Pondsmith refused to allow them to feature him in game.
he says that he hates corporations because they enslave the souls of people. sounds to me like he cares about people. but maybe he also hates corporations more than he cares about people.
He was in the LaAm war right? He obviously gave a shit at one point about civilians.
he deserted because he didn't want to commit war crimes.
incidentally, I just played through the insane asylum mission and he recognizes one of his unit buddies from the war who went completely crazy.
He hates the relic because they can change what and how you think without you ever knowing.
every fricking mission involving innocents johnny has to chip in with some smart alec comment about how it'd be wrong to leave them to die
how about play the game, moron
>What makes you think johnny gives a shit about innocent civilians?
If he didn't care then he wouldn't have given time for people to escape the tower before it blow up.
>If he didn't care then he wouldn't have given time for people to escape the tower before it blow up.
Oh, you mean the memory from the man put in the memory altering device? The one that also has him dueling adam smasher? You mean that memory?
>you mean the memory from the man put in the memory altering device?
It doesn't matter since Blackhand also tried to keep civilian casualties low
You mean GlowBlack person Supreme Blackhand who brought a nuke on a demo op Blackhand?
It was politically expedient to claim that sure, but nusa/militech wanted to expel arasaka and it was convenient to pin it all on the japs
This. What better way to attack Arasaka then to use one of the most popular rockerboys in the city and a merc that was only second to Adam Smasher himself. Militech was pulling the strings from the start.
cheucringe
discord raid
Is discord in the room now?
no but you're in the discord room right now OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
He blew up arasaka tower (based) but failed spectacularly enough that he got thousands of civilians killed too and managed to blow shrapnel through populated buildings
and then feels super bad about it (cringe)
>I wanted people to die, but not THAT many people ;_;
Whether he appeals to you or not depends entirely on if you are 14 years old or not or have ever daydreamed about starting a band with your school friends
He didn't, blackhand did. Smasher killed him. His memories are influenced by narcissism and redacted in mikoshi, what you see in flashbacks can't be trusted
Didn't see it, didn't show it, didn't care.
What it did show though was Johnny setting up a bomb, rigging it to explode and then attempting to leave
And Rouge can verify this because she was there too, stop being moronic
Rouge worked with arasaka post silverhand death. Alt also said that his memories can't be trusted. It feels like Yorinobu knowingly leaked info about silverhand to vdb, and also cut unnecessary stuff from johnny memory. It gets into someone's head? Johnny is unleashed and locks into collision course with arasaka. Johnny gets taken by ai and absorbed? Great, now ai has his hatred and redacted memories, also sensitive info about where constructs stored.
No the only reason is that the relic was loosing integrity before jackie put in his head
Wtf why does everyone say Jonny did it. Source? Literally everyone in game says it was Jonny
He was cringe on purpose, that's the point. You can call him out on being a tryhard the entire game.
The only real problem is that he never grows so he's just fricking annoying.
Don't care about his hatred of corpos but him nuking a shit ton of civilians in the process was beyond moronic so he's really just introduced as a moronic punk terrorist.
The banter between him and V really does help lay the foundation for friendship and respect though.
Cringe but I liked him.
i really like silverhand and he grew on me a lot more than i was expecting. the way his relationship with V develops over time, the little glimpses you get into who he was, who he is, and how hes burned that the world he died tried to change hasn't changed - or in fact, has actually gotten much worse - is a really big part of what makes cyberpunk good, i think
bluepilled libtard terrorist, people hate le bad corpos but they always influence shady government officials which are the real issue
the EU and the US gubments enjoy plenty of blowjobs from lobbyists. its easier to suck them off instead of employees
in the 1800s or whatever, cadburys chocolate company built a new factory out in the middle of the countryside in england, they constructed an entire village for all the workers with very comfortable design specifications, i.e each garden should get sunlight and be decent size. they dont do this today because politicians are cheaper to pay off
>corpo steals your gf
>blow up corpo hq with a nuke for it
Based
>choosing Alt over Rogue
Cringe
mfw 2023 rogue
both eras of Rogue are hot as frick
Punk's are the biggest homosexuals on earth, and Johnny was massively miscast, so that's double cringe.
>Johnny was massively miscast
keanu IS johnny silverhand now. There is no other version.
This. Also as a Cyberpunk player, I always imagined Refused as the way Samurai would sound. Loud and angry as hell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRMXTvsCBwQ
Gross
your opinon genuinely means less than the average cyberpunk 2077 players by owning this garbage
> Laughs in tabletop
He's got the whole 'Big Trouble in Little China' look. This was the Johnny Silverhand I wanted. But in all fairness, Keanu's swagger did feel accurate.
If you've met older local scene punk musicians, the ones that still larp like it's the 90's and not the kind that look like normal middle aged dads, Keanu pulls the vibe effortlessly.
'tabletop' means sawn in half at the waist by a pair of AA12's
I mean he just isn't very good at doing a punk rock terrorist. Acting was meh.
CDPR wanted to use David Bowie, but he died.
Would be kinda cool to get a mod that removes him entirely. He can be a major distraction.
I did find a mod that gives him that 1980's Patrick Swayze look, still no mods to completely remove him.
keanu reeves was that much of a homolust agitator to you huh
Both, he cant act being pissed even in the new ending were you betray him
anarachist cringelord, wish you could delete his ass
you can, at the expense of becoming a literal who
like in goodfellas?
Why didn't they update the setting to 202? Japanese taking over the world is 80's old news.
Honestly I don't get his character, just everything about him seemed like some 90's action movie shlock, which is something I would definitely like, but the way the story and everything about it is rushed it feels like half the content with him is missing. I won't go into super long rant, but after the quick schizo segment you have in V's apartment with the pills, the next mission is go to garage and get in a car, the agent 57# AI spazzed out and rams V's car, and instantly after V talks with Johnny as if they have been together for months, something along the longs of "Holy shit, Johnny did you see that, wtf was that"
You dont say
I had the opposite problem, where you would finish a story mission and have an honest heart to heart with johnny and feel like you have the same point of view on things, then you'd go do a side mission where Johnny would say something innocuous and V would tell them that they hate Johnny's guts and hope he pukes and dies
They should have made the banter more dynamic so it changes based on your relationship with Silverhand.
It's jarring, I usually hit that encounter after I've been to Tom's Diner. Feels like it gives it a little more context.
They actually changed that line of dialogue in 2.0 to reflect the initially hostile relationship between Johnny and V. You're still expected to immediately meet with Goro in the diner, but at least the dialogue is more flexible for sequence breaking.
Good change but good god, did femV get throat cancer between 1.0 and 2.0? b***h sounds like Rachel Ray now.
Vaxxed
I actually still get the old dialogue if you have a decent relationship with Johnny. I get the old one when I did that mission
Good god femV's voice is awful. I'm so glad I picked maleV, he has way more range.
FemV (A2 in Nier) is canon and MaleV is greasy *talian rags to riches cringe fantasy bullshit.
You're a literal troony. There is nothing "canon" about femV. Women trying to sound tough is cringe as frick.
>There is nothing "canon" about femV.
Why is she on the DLC poster
And male V is in the cinematic trailers. Soooooo????
So what now?
A streetkid who grew up in Heywood would absolutely be tough regardless of their genitals. You're cringe as frick.
Pleb filtered. Enjoy your greasy *talian VA
The male voice actor for V is literally an Irish man doing an American accent. Doesn't sound Italian at all.
Have fun role playing as a female cringelord
>muh female in the fictional universe where cybernetics can change your very physicality cannot become equal to men
Even the violent impulse of women can be raised in cyberpunk to match that of a man. Wtf are you on about?
Finally someone talking sense. Her voice acting is CP2077 insufferably annoying.
Her VA is terrible and every "creator" simps for her religiously. I'm convinced they are all gays enjoying the first person, submissive first-person perspective from romancing Stout and River.
my troony V plap plap plapped a baby into Judy
>Can't fingerblast Judy into a coma as male V
those fricking poles are taunting me, I know it
He's a based moron who get's to see that his actions didn't change the future and he slowly realizes how moronic he was in the past.
I don't get if the game wants you to like him or hate him. On the one hand he is le based anti-capitalist leftoid revolutionist who fights the evil corporations but on the other hand he is le cringe self-absorbed toxic masculinity butthole narcissistic.
It wants you to make your own mind up, wienersucker.
>I will survive, which is more than I can say for you
>go to bed Matt
>game's theme is literally to denounce how cringe the punk spirit was
>fricking moronic Gankerirmin zoom zoom don't understand this and still seething about why cdpr had to made him cringe edgelord
Boomers had to beat up Zoomers to read fricking books
>t. self hating zoomer
Friendly reminder that most of the people here wrecked whole Dogtown to save their chromed Korean waifu and own the glowies.
Like i care about random junkies asking me about a "PAGSWORD?!" and the children sport grooming bunker
We all put a bullet in the head of the child grooming b***h right?
Can't believe CDPR had a questline like that, it was not subtle at all.
>that one mission where V uses Kabbalah magic to excruciatingly kill his enemies
Was it too on the nose?
Netrunning is magic, Blackwall is literal hell with real demons, what is there to be on the nose about?
I wish they dropped pretenses and made it actual RPG magic instead of this weird ass menu that you just spam from behind cover
Just let me jump around and spam virus clouds and hack thunder from my hands cdpr I thought you guys like fun
Pretty sure they'll lean into that for Cyberpunk Orion. At a certain point tech/magic become indistinguishable and CDPR/Pondsmith are on record with the blackwall falling, eventually.
Next game will probably involve a 20 year timeskip to the 2090s and revolve around Blackhand and Militech.
It's in the works.
This looks gay as frick
thank god the games don't follow this aesthetic
silverhands era in the game definitely follows the old school 1982 bladrunner Drew Struzan Air-brushed aesthetic, though
If the (old) net is filled with hostile A.I., why doesn't Netwatch just nuke the data servers where the A.I. are physically stored? It's not like the net is literally another dimension, it exists in servers in realspace. It's not like this would affect the current net either since the post data-krash net seems to be mostly clear of A.I.
I assume it's such old tech running out of a nuclear bunker somewhere, no one knows how it works. Digital modern equivalent of Stonehenge etc.
>cuck ending
lmao I sided with Songbird, sent her to space and took down Arasaka HQ with Johnny afterwards
>simp ending
It's the only ending you get the Erebus LMG or Blackwall tech. So I went with it. Songbird is also kinda a dick and a liar. She doesn't deserve to go to space. Also, she would be tortured and used on the moon since Mr Blue Eyes was behind the whole thing, and the theory is that he is an AI.
the Erebus is a SMG
not joking, it is a SMG
>60 mag size
>melts enemies
>doesnt fricking even look like an actual weapon
who the frick works in Midnight Arms?
Imagine if Erebus had a feminine voice.
>Songbird is also kinda a dick and a liar.
meanwhile reed is totally cool and never lies, right?
Nah he just likes to put his handgun into any people he meets
I initially sided with her but when she admitted she played me I wanted to vent the c**t and jump on the plane to Luna myself but the game wouldn't let me so I just gave her over to the NUSA as a bargaining chip.
Pretty sure they do, It's just that connecting to the old net to even attempt to geolocate them is like hanging a neon sign on you and asking the AI's to rape your corpse
they don't really seem to know where the net is or how it works. also it's all on the same net, the "old net" is just "before datakrash" and the AIs are only kept away by the Blackwall, but they're all on the same net. nuking the AIs would mean nuking the entire internet, and corpos have too much use of the internet to bother.
My impression from the rulebooks is that the hard lines to the old net and thus the truly horrible AI has been physically cut and the cities that contain them literally nuked. But we don't know beneath the ruins if the AI is still functioning and waiting but we can assume some are. Over half of the United States is a fricking nuclear wasteland and the government don't have the resources to bunker bust every city again.
To me, the AI that assaults the Blackwall is coming from some of these cities, probably sent out through drones or something from thee few AI who still have some degree of control over manufacturing facilities - otherwise most just sit there in perpetual seething. But nobody can truly know where it all comes from because nuked cities on top of the fact the government can't do shit. Defenses intercept the bulk of these drones but obviously some would get through.
I'd imagine the rogue AIs are operating out of some decrepit datacenter underneath all the rubble or out of vaults/nuclear storage facilities being maintained by death cultists or some crazy shit which is why the Voodoo Boys are desperate to be on Alt's side for the inevitable collapse of the Blackwall.
That's from 1.0 not sure if it's even possible anymore.
That's definitely not what I got from the game, what with Alt being right there at the Blackwall during the Voodoo Boys mission and stuff. But the game doesn't necessarily take all the lore from the RPG anyway so it's moot.
Well the game is fricking stupid what can I say. I'm not claiming the Cyberpunk RPG is great shit but no effort was spent actually trying to make the world something out of science fiction. Like did they really expect us to enjoy fricking up the props for a fricking girl-band.
It's clear that the loss of the primary writer for Witcher 3 severely impacted CDPR's ability to tell a fricking story in a weird world. Weird shit happened in the Witcher games. Nothing fricking weird happened in Cyberpunk. For all intents and purposes Cyberpunk may as well have just been modern-day inner-city America. It made no fricking sense for vending machines to exist in your fricking apartment like are you fricking serious? It made no sense that at the end of Phantom Liberty everyone's all forgotten about you as if V was some kind of butthole who wouldn't leave some kind of log about where they were going. What the frick was the point of having that many gangs when all they were going to be at best was cannon fodder? The answer to all these questions is that the writers couldn't come up with shit or read the rulebooks so they took normal Earth situations and added magic hacking like Steampunk. That's why Cyberpunk felt like shit, it was just Steampunk - slap some gears on that shit.
>It made no sense that at the end of Phantom Liberty everyone's all forgotten about you as if V was some kind of butthole who wouldn't leave some kind of log about where they were going.
It's just misery porn. In Cyberpunk there's a quote that's like "The city always wins". V can realistically never be happy in the Cyberpunk world.
Listen, it's totally fine if they want to make it misery porn. But it wasn't done in any way that made it feel like a part of the world. If you wanted us to feel really fricking bad in a realistic manner, you would've had Panam hunt down V only to die trying. Judy not fricking bothering to invite V to her home and meet her wife what the frick is up with that? Why the frick would Vic still be working if he was given a massive payout - it should have been visiting him in a mansion and him being really fricking sad that he sold out and lost all the personal interactions with his clients.
It just fricking sucked, every bit of it.
Exactly. Literally all they had to do was make up plausible bullshit
>panam got herself killed trying to find out or whichever romance option, Kerry/River got blackbagged by FIA when he tried digging in to what happened to you etc
Is that so hard? It's at least LOGIC AND CONSISTENT with the rest of the fricking 50 hour RPG. Frick sake. You know it's bad when you can suggest "and he/she died on the way back to her home planet" is plainly and objectively better writing.
Problem is that the devs give us moronic text options.
>Hey just going on a trip be back in a month lol xDDDD
And then you disappear for 2 years. Judy and Panam both know you do risky shit. They also knew about the relic killing you. Kinda not surprised they thought you were dead
Don't question it, you'll get that old man autist who collects cyberpunk tabletop merchandise back into the thread autistically screeching again.
someone's gotta write all the shard flavour text
look at this homie. Lil bro was flipping through tiktok while watching Cyberpunk playthrough part 46 on youtube.
If you didn't see weird shit happening in 2077 you're not paying attention. Look at all the lore discussion behind Mr. Blue Eyes, the Peralez family, literal demons behind the blackwall, Night Corp, rogue AI operating out of nuclear silos on BBS technology no one understands a hundred years later etc.
tl;dr - pleb filtered
I keep seeing people talking about the Peralez quest and how fricked up it is. I just met up with them and it seemed like a pretty simple quest. Mayor gets a virus laden BD and it's likely that his deputy was the one who did it. Is there more to it or is that it? Right now I'm kind of stuck in limbo while I wait for like 3 people to contact me and I've already cleared out every quest/gig/scanner, so maybe there's some more to some of these questions that pop up after people get off their asses and call me.
Ignore everything we've said about the questline until you've finished it. Just know you're in for some spooky shit.
Good to know. If I can figure out how to make these fricking main quests advance, I'll be golden. Sleeping doesn't work, skipping time doesn't do anything, and saving, then loading is also a bust. I'm about to just go GTA on the cops and escape, just to see if the game counts entering a hostile area and leaving/killing everything as "passing time."
I don't know how it works but it seems like it's act-based in the story. The death row braindance guy didn't open up until Act III despite all the guides telling me to just sleep for 24 hours.
>Sleeping doesn't work, skipping time doesn't do anything, and saving, then loading is also a bust.
It's in game play time, dood. Go do some gigs or side jobs or just drive around.
The Peralez quests go one for like three or four more after the mayor one.
>nothing weird ever happens
you have never played this game. here's one from my last session playing this game:
>had to help the ai taxi cab that saved my life fight off its split personalities that want to kill him and roam as free sentient cars
Yeah there are very few actually interesting sci-fi situations in Cyberpunk.
>Blackwall is literal hell with real demons
What's the lore implications of this? Mike Pondsmith on the radio implied this too and the cyberdeck definitely seems demonic when it talks to you.
>when you killed netwatch you basically killed a bunch of exorcists trying to maintain the gates of hell from opening
frick
how are you dashing so far? i thought it was only dashes towards enemies that can get the boost but you seem to be dashing away from them at times
Monumentally cringe
based
>this
>that spellbook you can find from Spider Murphy that talks how the one butthole who destroyed the net to try and frick with corpos didn't actually make anything better, it just made it so every corp has their own personal internet they use to monitor and oppress people
Game does a really good job at depicting how fricked the setting is and how any attempts to bite back at a corp just helps them consolidate power.
Capital subsumes all.
Problem is, when you try to bring down the system to build it back up again, the ones who get to build it back are the ones with the resources to do so. Aka. the ones who already controlled the system before.
he's an idiot but he's charming
they should have taken someone else than keanu to voice him.
why would he be cringe? cyberpunk 2077 plays off a lot of retro-futuristic cliches. Also he's a rocker-boy with an ego
He came up with the best plan in the game so he's based
its really, really fricking gay and disappointing that he simps so hard for alt. hoeflation is bad in 2023 but in 2077 its absolutely wild.
Wait until you do the Songbird quest
There's literal dialogue options for "it's okay you betrayed me uwu"
I mean, she IS pretty hot in that evening gown...
at least she didn't get you almost killed like reed. Motherfricker is still desperate for a crumb of her pussy
>at least she didn't get you almost killed like reed
she literally puts your life on the line over and over and over, under the promise of a cure that she never planned to give you.
Eh, her lower body is still 100% functional.
yeah i guess. but you do have the option to frick her over. They let you have the option for empathy because she's an imprisoned puppet for NUSA, which would be a much harder life than V had.
yeah i let her live because i felt sorry for her, she was basically a child soldier forced to do horrible things. even if she ended up being a twat Reed was much worse.
She's his daughterfu you sick frick
>disappointing that he simps so hard for alt
It's less simping and Rouge says it's more him inflating his actual worth on to her.
his character development through the game is fricking based as frick. It actually turns what's supposed to be the second worst ending into the best imo, when you choose to give him your body.
He lives a full life, and stops smoking and drinking, just stopping to smell the roses.
No he is leaving to put iron in his mouth
Nice headcanon homosexual. He wins against the actual villain, the city, by leaving and finding his own way.
No corps, no killing, just him and his guitar.
Cringe
>Rebel without a cause
>Absolute frick up
>Dead as a damn doornail
>Accomplished absolutely nothing
>Is fricking up your life but acting like he's doing you a favor
>>Is fricking up your life but acting like he's doing you a favor
You can say a lot of things about Johnny but he never once does this. He's always the first to admit he's ruined V. Mainly because he's inflicting exactly what he said was the worst thing one can do to another human being, erase their sense of self.
I literally just played the game and you're 100% right. He always admits he's wrong and even if he hates you he wouldn't want to take control of your body.
I'd say it's straight up the one positive trait Johnny has at the start that eventually leads into him admitting to and getting over his other flaws. He barely ever even tries to do the "not by choice" argument, he only says that when V is on full freak out mode and needs redirecting, but 99% of the time he's just regretful.
Yeah but it lasts for one scene, and he doesn't pretend he's doing you a favor, the full extent of the situation just hasn't completel dawned on him yet.
>he never once does this. He's always the first to admit he's ruined V
Well, not at the very beginning, but to be fair he was just waking up from a 50 year coma after being tortured and killed.
i just want V to get their body back and be able to slam judy and panams pussy in peace in the avocados nomads.
This
does the DLC not give you an option to remove this cringelord once and for all and go back to slamming panam pussy?
>Mr. Blue Eyes in the watch tower of the airport making sure Songbird gets there alright
>Songbird says that the one paying for her space adventure to get their hands on the rogue AI/Songbird's blackwall abilities right?
So that's 10000% Militech right? Orion is gonna be interesting as hell.
Panam is a fricking c**t that ghosts V no matter what he/she does. Frick her. Judy and Songbird>that b***h.
don't ever mention my wife judy and that c**t songbird in the same sentence again you pathetic simp homosexual. in my game she is a rotting corpse, she's not in the sequel.
Mr Blue Eyes is NightCorp. And I am 99%5 sure he's an AI in disguise. So far, he's gathering up the most notorious NC residents under his banner, it seems.
ohfugg I forgot about Night Corp. The Peralez family questline was spooky as hell.
I'm surprised Biotechnica didn't get in the mix, especially after the info you find on Sandra Dorsett's data slate. NightCorp and Biotechnica are essentially using the same tech.
I was wondering if that quest was going anywhere, but I kind of liked that it was just a little taste of the conspiracy theory type shit that is actually happening in the real world (that and mr blue eyes at the end). You feel like you're on top of the world after all V has achieved, and then you realize you're still just a puppet in someone else's game.
Reminds me of some of the quest lines in Deus Ex Mankind Divided. We'll see more stuff like that in Orion I hope
Speaking of the future, has Pondsmith ever said what's gonna happen to the IP after he dies? MF is 70 years old.
I don't get how someone like Peralez could even get to be that important in 2077's world while remaining innocent enough to be literally brainwashed. Isn't every politician supposed to be a massively corrupt c**t? You'd think any ideologues would never make it without corpo backing.
He's supposed to be the Bernie Sanders moron super idealist, complete with the depiction of how those guys get fricked the worst
It's a very minor thing by Cyberpunk standards but I enjoyed the email that said he actually hates guns and doing this ad made him uncomfortable.
There's a fun implication there that guns are not controversial in Night City at all, i.e. everybody loves them, so even if you're the progressive noguns type you better lie and pretend to love them or nobody is gonna vote for you.
Wow I wonder where they got that idea
>There's a fun implication there that guns are not controversial in Night City at all
I mean, you can buy a gun from a vending machine. I don't think there's any kind of implication at all here, it's just outright shown.
"A corporation does it" and "people actually approve of it" are two distinctly different things, especially in the setting
"I gotta wave a gun around or nobody will vote for me" is a more concrete gauge of public opinion than that
Is there any point in using these vending machine guns?
No, they're 100% flavor
They even instantly discard when swapped or empty like heavy machine guns
There really should have been a mission where you lose your inventory but you get to use one of them in desperation
They should have made them very powerful but short lasting.
They're really bad, but if you have no ammo they come with a full mag
No thats america in a nutshell you all clapped like monkeys when detroit david cage game was shown with the detective executing an android with a child meatshield
Peralez has been groomed by Mr.BE since his fricking childhood
who do you think granted him that NCorp scholarship when he was a kid?
Blue Eyes is an extraterrestrial alien being
From Alpha Centauri?
Did you guys ever play the base game?
Judy was always a shit who will dump you at the drop of a hat in multiple endings
The DLC ruined Panam
>The DLC ruined Panam
Okay, people keep getting asshurt over this when she says multiple times the main reason she doesn't want to start a relationship with V is that she has a hard time dealing with shit like people walking out on her and it fricks her up emotionally when it does happen.
>How dare you go into a coma without my permission, I hate you now
> Ey babe im gonna buy cigarretes out of the city for a month bye >3
> Last connected 2 years ago
Judy ghost you faster after you do her sisequest by going to oregon and posting you her Instagram journey photos shit with context
oh anon, you don't know... i'm sorry...
In the dlc ending he dies again (the only ending in which he does other than Eat Big Iron) but you are eternally cucked, Panam hates you forever, and so does everybody except Vik, Misty and maybe Kerry, because you were selfish enough to go into a coma
You can remove him but panam ignores and its more mentally unstable cause v cant message the truth of him going to a glowie surgery
Johnny is a narcissist but he genuinely hates Corpos and their abuse of society so he's cool, I just wouldn't want to hang out anywhere near him.
>let Songbird go free
>after she uses and lies to you the whole DLC
>you basically let a walking WMD that has a Blackwall virus in her that can go off the at any moment roam free
How the frick is that the "morally good" ending
Myers gets btfo
because siding with the NUSA is even worse.
most of the choices in this game are just a series of bad options and you get to choose which one sounds least bad to you.
because the alternative is for the government to own her, and part of you (Dildohand) wouldn't like that.
You're handing her over to Night Corp/Militech who can contain her and probably cure her. That's definitely a better ending than handing her over to that c**t who runs the NUSA.
>Night Corp/Militech
That's just as bad, that b***h needs a bullet at this point
I want the Blackwall to fall though anon
My V is an anarchist through and through
>Panam simps
>requires you to play Male V (greasy *talian)
yuck Judy wins by default
>Siding with goro still gives you the best ending(s)
GOROCHADS RISE UP
Wut
KEK you re worse than songbird in that cuck space station raping your brain by hapas
>play game a year ago
>find out you can save him for an ending
>too far to backtrack a save to change that
>play again this year
>forgot that you can save him again
>too far to backtrack
FRICK
at that point V says to Johnny they need to go back to save him, and the quest objective on the side of the screen appears that says "(optional) save takemura"
No it doesn't
pretty sure i saw it when i played that quest a few days ago
>and the quest objective on the side of the screen appears that says "(optional) save takemura"
It doesnt
I remember being confused thinking id go and save him but following the path just gets you outside and the mission ends
actually johnny tells V to leave him behind because he thinks he's dead.
There's actually no indication you can go back and save him (or wasn't when I played a year ago they may very well have added a hand holding objective in 2.0 patch no idea). I had no idea there was even a possibility to save him until I watched other endings on youtube after beating my own playthrough.
Well I just replayed it for 2.0 and I'm pretty sure I saw that objective. I indeed didn't know I could save him during my first playthrough, so maybe it was added for 2.0.
or maybe i'm tripping balls and I imagined the whole thing.
>Well I just replayed it for 2.0 and I'm pretty sure I saw that objective
it doesn't pop up until after you go up the stairs towards him and Johnny says "what are you doing, he's already dead'
Not in 2.0, johnny explicitly says hes toast, lets delta.
They don't say that, they really wanted their own Deus Ex moment. In Deux Ex your brother Paul basically says "I'LL HOLD OFF THESE GUYS, YOU ESCAPE!" but you can actually just stay and if you help him kill all the bad guys he lives and shows up later in the game. It was considered a pretty major secret back in the day. Pretty much every game that has been inspired by Deux Ex tries really hard to have a moment like that, where you can decide to save someone by not listening to what you're told to do.
Why wouldn't you try to save him moron? That's 100%X2 on you.
Siding with goro till the end gives you that ending where they literally kill you copying your brain into the israelitespace no? How is that good?????
Maybe Arasaka were the good guys all along, delivering your Engram to a digital paradise will you will be safe and never have to worry again.
No to all that anon
Saburo's daughter will eventually die and forget about what you did for her family and the corp. Then they're free to use your engram as a lab rat/delete you because you're taking up too much storage during a disk cleanup.
I'm roleplaying as V/Johnny and the devil you don't know is better than the two you do.
Fricking over the president is the best ending, which means killing So Mi cause she's a walking nuke. Killing Reed isn't a good ending. Reed is probably the only honest character in the fricking game and always keeps his promises.
Best ending is to kill Songbird, set Reed free from the FIA, tell Myers FRICK OFF and then raid Arasaka tower by yourself. V doesn't want to live the 'quiet life'. They want to go out in a blaze of glory.
That's my roleplay anyway
>Reed is probably the only honest character in the fricking game and always keeps his promises.
GORO
TAKEMURA
The only reason Takemura keeps you alive is as a bargaining chip. There's no level of friendship that can override his sense of duty, and there is no ending where he's going to help you live on your own terms. He keeps his promise, in that his promise is to deliver you to his masters regardless of what they will do to you.
The only proof you need is one of the only times you can ask Goro to do something non-mission related, ask him out to dinner. He doesn't even reply, you are not a friend to him. He's a corporat who almost resembles the dynamic you have with Jackie to try and pull you in.
>He keeps his promise
All I needed to hear
in a game where everyone breaks theirs, it's sorely needed
>Reed is probably the only honest character in the fricking game
holy bootlicker lmao
he keeps lying and manipulating everyone
>he keeps lying and manipulating everyone
Like So Mi then? b***h flat out lies to you the entire time. At least Reed helps you out and removes the relic if you give him So Mi. So Mi just goes
>Herp Derp actually I lied there's only 1 cure and it's me that is getting it
on the fricking train. b***h got what was coming to her. In the words of Reddit, frick around and find out
anon, it's a spy thriller. Of course they're all lying to you. There's a reason the credits song is called "wires and chains"
>Of course they're all lying to you
Well then, the best path of choice is to frick them all and do it your own way.
V is smart enough to realize he is expendable to any of them, though. It was in his best interest to keep helping them.
>Maybe Arasaka were the good guys all along
If you grab Sabouro's laptop from his flyer before trying to escape with Jackie and crack it you can read an entry where he contemplates just wiping Night City off the map. He literally only keeps his son Yorinobu around because he wants to upload himself to Yori's body. Also there's a gig from Padre where you find out Arasaka is paying gang members to attack their facilities in full Militech gear and the one you run into isn't the only instance recently. Arasaka is never the good guys.
don't forget that they also was gong to take over 100% of all trade routes in Dog Town effectively giving them complete control of a major black market hub
>Play Cuban Larp.
>Smoothtalk my way through all encounters, only kill is some rando driver that I dumped in a trash bin.
>Dogtown is now run by two guys who put their difference aside because cartels fricking scare them.
>Mr Hands is happy and gives me a bonus.
>Suddenly the real aguilar writes a message.
>I panisave, fast forward and wait for a quest/random encounter to pop up.
>Nothing happens.
Kinda disappointing. Atleast have a meetup with the person you were impersonating lol. Also fem. Aguilar is goat.
>only kill is some rando driver that I dumped in a trash bin.
If you dump him in the back of the car, it doesn't say (lethal).
Also, you can not kill Voodoo Boys?
calm down Johnny
don't you have civilians to blow up with nuclear bombs?
>"Fricking Arasaka!"
>calm down Johnny, Arasaka isn't behind every little inconvenience
>it was actually fricking arasaka
What are the slavs trying to tell us here? I'm starting to get offended.
You did kill her didn't you, Ganker? It's what she wanted.
No she should put iron in her mouth
I'm changing my name to iron
Honestly pretty cringe. He's almost in the based moron territory, but he's just not quite there.
I hope we get to learn more about how the USSR is currently in the setting. I find it interesting that they are doing well enough for Soviet guns and construction equipment to be prominent in Night City. Even Panam's sniper rifle is made by Techtronica.
It's a shithole, but the sort of oil-shilling, syndicate-run shithole like the modern Russian Federation is today, except in this world, Raytheon was founded on slavic soil.
Based on what that Russian ripperdoc in the expensive area said, USSR is a much better place to live in than Night City.
>You shoot each other in the streets, and have to pay for medical care
Ever consider that's satire of tankie larping because there are still jerkoffs who talk about the superiority of the Soviet Union to this day
>wow they don't shoot each other on the street and have free healthcare
>impossible, must be larp
They're shithole in a different way moron
The game actually has a few notes about how secretive and deceitful the Sovied government is. Cyberpunk 2077 USSR is pretty much an extrapolated version of the 1970-1980s USSR that was adapted to the setting's theme.
It's pretty much the mob controlled quasi anarchy of the 90's, but corpo controlled instead. Gommunism is dead and it's only communist in name. Kind of like rl china.
One thing i dont understand is how Songbirds condition is the same as V's relic chip killing him
Didn't she get invaded by AI from going into the blackwall so often? They're literally taking over her body the same as Johnny is doing to V
the similarity is that they're both slowly dying from shit in their heads.
something like that, it's never described clearly what the actual condition is I don't think.
>save goro
>after meeting hanako at embers I go do sun ending and goro calls me in the end credits to call me a kuso head
Wow that sure was satisfying
it makes sense, every time you talk to goro about maybe living a different life he makes it clear theres nothing else for him but the arasaka empire, man was too deep in to try something else, felt like he owed too much, V doing anything but devil ending just leaves him hopeless and angry
Good character but there was no need for them to use a real life well known actor.
i mean why does any production use famous actors if that's the case
You're both right and I don't even dislike Keanu I'm just autistic and seeing a familiar face like that in a videogame takes me out completly it happens in movies too
If he's gonna be in 90% of the game, better make damn sure he's a good actor. Also Mike Pondsmith wanted Keanu back in the 1980s when he created the source material so.... What's the problem?
is he...fricking based...or just.....fricking cringe?...guess....you'll just....have to...fricking decide....for your....fricking self..../v/
i hope one day there will be an unofficial patch created like fallout and skyrim has. I can't deal with all these animation and lighting bugs
Wtf is up with So Mi simps? She's literally a robot. the same as Adam Smasher
Imagine the clanking
>She's literally a robot. the same as Adam Smasher
neither of them are "literally" a robot.
Smasher is arguably a cyberpsycho like MaxTac, but Songbird definitely isn't.
uoooh erotic
exposed gears and servos
erotic
imagine the taste of those titanium scapula
reminder that
>Goro never betrays you
>Goro saves your life
>Goro fought off arasaka hitsquads with just a samurai sword to protect you
>Goro has no hesitation in taking on smasher for you
>Goro gives you a choice and says he will do what he can to keep you alive or giving you a graceful death if you so choose
Literally the only guy in the game on your side
>>Goro never betrays you
>>Goro saves your life
>>Goro fought off arasaka hitsquads with just a samurai sword to protect you
>>Goro has no hesitation in taking on smasher for you
all of that is because he wants to stay loyal to Saburo, he very clearly says he only uses you as a tool.
he's kinda cool as a character but if he didn't need you he would kill you immediately.
His reasons are moot, he's the only one who gives a shit by the end of it when presenting you your options
that's fair. it's still more like a code of honor samurai thing like sepukku where they allow their enemies to die honorably than him actually being nice to you I feel.
they killed him and made a digital copy of him (which they clearly tampered with) in case that could be useful to them later.
I like him, but if you save him and then don't side with Arasaka he basically calls you a coward piece of shit in his ending.
I prefer GLOWIE reed
I like Goro as a character. I always save him in the apartment raid to give him the chance to take his nomad path he mentioned in conversation. He'd just rather prefer sepukku in the end.
He doesn't even need to be a nomad. He'd make a damn good solo. There's more than enough criminal scum in the city to go around. Which is the point of his character is that he's too obsessed with daddy Saburo to make wise decisions.
I get that. I'm specifically referencing what he tells you in conversation. As Corpo, you can get him to open up about what he would do outside of Arasaka and he says part of him wants to be a nomad and wander the land.
He starts off overconfident and preachy, but stops once he realizes he and everyone he killed died for nothing. All his friends he fought with either are dead or empty husks of their former selfs. It's not a complete loss, two idiots with nothing to lose can still change the world if they don't fear the reaper.
Is Orion even going to take place in Night City? There's so many other locations in lore to explore. I hope not or make it hub-based like Deus Ex.
>johnny blows up a building
>gets caught by the owners
>FRICK YOU JOHNNY
>YOU'RE IN SO MUCH SHIT NOW
>WE'RE GONNA MAKE YOU IMMORTAL
???
i wouldn't personally like to be killed to a program can imitate my personality. I'd just be dead.
the real johnny is fricking dead, soulkiller kills you and makes a digital copy of you
but what if he won the coin toss
which character is the one who says it "uploads your consciousness" or something like that, because if your of the believe that you are your consciousness, then its really only killing you by ripping out "you" from your flesh body, and turning it into code
Johnny is responsible for 100,000 deaths
I like to think Saburo just wanted to frick with him at that point, either in immortal form or not
>immortal
It's a digital copy of his personality. It's not his perception of reality/consciousness. He's dead and has been for 50 years.
Saburo was probably keeping him as an engram to torture him/flaunt him as a trophy to his trillionaire friends.
I was getting fricked up demonic vibes from the blackwall scene with the voodooboys and the only reason you didn't get fricked like all the netrunners who cross the blackwall is because Alt was there to save you and moved you back.
>Saburo was probably keeping him as an engram to torture him/flaunt him as a trophy to his trillionaire friends.
this but also, wasn't he one of the first engrams? they basically tried out their new tech on a guy they needed to kill anyway.
>i will kill you
>then resurrect
>and fricking kill you again!
Arasaka never used Soulkiller on him, that was just part of his Schizo delusions where he pretended he was the main character
in reality Arasaka never cared about him and Smasher just gunned him down without a second thought before moving on to the *actual* climactic battle with Morgan Blackhand. Soulkiller was just used on Johnny's corpse by Spider Murphy because she wanted to at least try and save what little of him was left, but cuz it was Arasaka's Soulkiller it still gave the Engram to Arasaka
>reed kills the cassels
I didn't like that. Aurore was such a cutie 🙁
that was a good moment to show how Reed is truly a c**t and Alex isn't any better.
still a shame we don't get more Aurore, I agree.
I feel like the DLC should have been the main game tbh. The story is a lot better and we would have had more time to flesh the characters out. DLC wasn't long enough. We didn't really get much of Hansen either, even though he worked with the FIA.
2077 walked so PL could run.
Yeah, Alt Cunningham was the first but she broke out of Mikoshi and became the equivalent of a cyber god.
>she broke out of Mikoshi
Alt was in Arasaka Tower's database systems. She was freed by Johnny, Spider, Rogue and Shaitan and put out into the web by Spider when Johnny was killed during Militech's operation to bomb the towers.
Hansen was definitely a background character in the DLC, which is surprising given how everyone talks about him all the time.
>even though he worked with the FIA
did he?
>Hansen was a NUSA Colonel during the Unification War, and it was his strategic decision which allowed him to take control of a portion of Night City's Pacifica district. After the war, Hansen defected from the NUSA and ignored his orders to leave the area, showing his disdain for the Arvin Accord. He carved his own private paradise and became some sort of military tyrant
oh I thought you meant he worked for the FIA at the time of the game.
he was part of the NUSA military, not the FIA. that's also why he doesn't know there's government agents spying on him from inside the whole time.
I'm certain that he 'worked' with the FIA though. Like Myers came to him and they worked together
I think the length of it was fine I'm tired of stories dragging for the sake of it
With the way AI is going in the modern world, I wouldn't be surprised if we have our own form of demonic AI. Maybe it's 100 years away but we have AI doing a lot of things now.
How is keanu doing, anyway? I remember during the presentation last year he sounded like he were sick.
I RE-PETE
KURT HANSEN IZ DED
> No keanu commentary in that loading creen after all that dialogue or different speech after the cuban roleplay
>V has had no problem disobeying directions and being obtuse with orders from corporations and employers
>all of a sudden takes the direction that he literally can't say a single thing about where he's going so seriously that he doesn't tell a single person anything beyond he's going out for a pack of smokes and he'll be back in two more weeks
>not the only guy who's ever tried to help him for free with the engram
>not his lover
>nobody
The ending is the definition of contrived writing.
He's based but stupid.
But he's only cringe in the Temperance ending.
>Take a character with lots of charisma
>Force a guy who's a fricking black hole of charisma to voice act him and say things he's clearly uncomfortable with saying
I hate celebrity voice "actors" so much.
>black hole of charisma
said the Gankeredditor
for fricking real, keanu was such a terrible choice that ruined so much potential during development by being a multi-million dollar actor they could barely get in studio. He never voice acts and it shows, he delivers all his lines in the same way no matter what. When he's getting soulkiller beamed into his skull all he manages is an "argh." I switched to the japanese dub specifically for him and takemura.
Which voice actor would you have picked?
Unironically just hire Nolan North. He did older charismatic action hero well in Uncharted 4, and you still would have had the memes from hiring the one voice actor guy everyone knows.
thank god you are in no position of power, you would've turned Johnny Silverhand into some quippy homosexual
Nolan North as a rockerboy? wtf.
As it stands, the band flashbacks make no sense as Keanu's voice clashes with everyone else's (I more Johnny was not the main vocalist but even as back up vocals Keanu would not be believable). Nolan would have.
Yes moron, Nolan North would have had so much say over his dialogue the entire character would have changed. In fact, I would have given in to Nolan's famously meddling demands and had Johnny be the main character.
Also this. Listen to the guy singing chippin' in and tell me that sounds like the Johnny you talk to. Unless Kerry was handing out a little CBT before every recording session the voices don't match at all.
You act like people are incapable of sounding different while singing punk rock music versus their speaking voice. This is Dennis Lyxzen (Refused vocalist) and he's a fricking swede https://youtu.be/g6LxfrzEzgY
Everyone Americanises their vocals, very few sing consistently out of their natural range. All of the glam rock singers who used falsetto and growl constantly (this isn't what Johnny is doing before you try and say that) have completely fricked up vocal chords now for this reason. If anything, having Johnny be played the guy who voices Male V would have sounded alright. At least his sandpaper voice would have made sense then.
>All of the glam rock singers who used falsetto and growl constantly (this isn't what Johnny is doing before you try and say that) have completely fricked up vocal chords now for this reason.
You can actually do that and be fine but you need to have periods of time off to recover, which most labels wont allow.
Dan Aykroyd
Keith David
More like that uncomfortable is that he just says the line and the polsky says its great no repeat
So does the DLC give you an option to remove this cringe magnet from your brain?
Yes, but it gives you the cringiest ending possible, more cringe than any other.
If he was a real person he'd be cringe, but he made for an entertaining character. Characters with conviction are fun even if you disagree with them. I'm tired of every character just being a normal person trying to go through life, that's boring.
Also it's Keanu's best performance in my opinion. Not that that's saying much, for as beloved as he's become he's really not that good of an actor, he usually needs to role tailored to him to work well.
>If he was a real person he'd be cringe, but he made for an entertaining character. Characters with conviction are fun even if you disagree with them
I never thought of it that way, anon.
He is a moronic idiot who killed hundreds of thousands but he's still a fun character, at least
>johnny we should try literally anything else to get you out of my head
>you and me are going to fricking walk into arasaka HQ and gun down every son of a b***h in there, and my girlfriend is gonna blow a satellite out of orbit
Pretty much. Making characters relatable to the player is overrated because most players probably aren't going to be the kind of people that would make for an interesting character in a story.
Oh I like ER videos too
He covered it but it was a semi-popular image before him.
Even if he were a real person, I'd be a fan. Frick Arasaka. The ends justify the means. Just sucks that he was captured and the world became even shittier.
His actions inadvertently both killed thosands AND made arasaka even shittier (if you can believe that)
Good job Silverhand, you moron
He's the equivalent of morons sending bomb threats to senators you dislike causing them to become more empathetic
It wasn't even his operation anon. It was Morgan Blackhand's who is alive and well so I'm curious what excuse he has for not taking down Arasaka in the 50 years Johnny was imprisoned in Mikoshi.
Who fricking cares about Morgan Cuckhand, we've been over this in this thread
>Johnny sets up and arms bomb
>Puts it down elevator
>Runs into Smasher who fricks him up
Everything past that is Johnny pretending to be a hero in his own head
Who cares if it wasn't his operation, the guy was the triggerman and was flying in shooting miniguns
The only thing we've discussed ITT is how no one cares about your moralist semantics. Johnny was a pawn in Blackhand's operation yet he wasn't depicted in Johnny's flashback at all. Johnny was justified. Blackhand was justified. I just want Morgan Blackhand's side of events to know why he basically disappeared for the events of 2077 and what stopped him and Militech from destroying Arasaka while they were still weak in 2023.
You are missing the point entirely, I do not care about morgan cuckhand, to say Johnny isn't responsible is a fricking lie, he was part of the operation.
Your moral semantics about whether or not it was justified don't matter
he was part of the group that blew up the towers, everyone, including himself acknowledges this in game
So he's responsible for killing civilians
Okay and neither he or I gives a single frick about muh civilians. We're just stating that it wasn't his operation and the events shown in the flashback are at the very least aggrandized.
He does, he regrets it all game moron.
>at the very least aggrandized
I'll take gameplay over your headcanon, thanks
>He regrets it all game moron
Oh, you mean the engram that arasaka very clearly edited, changing his personality and memories?
Nice headcanon
>uh arasaka edited his memory so that he regrets killing civilians
You are so fricking moronic. Can you get your wrangler to explain things to you?
Not my fault you have to make up headcanon to justify johnny's shitty attitude towards things
As one anon said, he's a mass murderer and a c**t but he's entertaining.
>make up headcanon
There it is again. Did you even play the game?
More than you if you gotta write fanfiction about the plot to fit in your bizarre narrative
maybe make time for another playthrough, and really pay attention this time.
>fanfiction
You are not mentally well. You might want to talk to a doctor about dementia
I don't know about Arasaka editing memories, though that's clearly shown to be a thing that can be done. At the very least the biochip is damaged, and may have damaged the Engram. The memories on the engram may also have been changed simply because they are the recolection and rationalization of Johnny's actions. We actually see evidence that the memories simply don't match up in game, aside from Alt straight up telling you this. The best example is Johnny saying he never worked with the media Lyle Thompson again after attempting to rescue Alt, even though in the Arasaka Bombing sequence, Thompson is talking to the group during it.
The point is, the game does point out that the memories of Johnny that V experiences are not necessarily the reality of those situations, regardless of how canon the old writings of the events are now.
Not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it literally makes no sense to.
He only regrets it because he sees that he didn't kill Arasaka off for good. If he killed Arasaka off permanently in 2023, he wouldn't regret a god damn thing.
Oh he's responsible for sure, but a lot of people are, Rogue, Spider Murphy, Blackhand, Militech for setting up the whole operation, and even Kei Arasaka for forcing people to stay at their work instead of evacuating. And in the end the raid didn't got off like any of them wanted it to.
You just can't place all of the blame on Johnny though.
>Johnny was a pawn
That's like saying only Mcveigh done the oklahoma city bombing because his accomplices only drove him there in the van
They were all complicit
>Johnny sets up and arms bomb
>Puts it down elevator
Johnny never had the bomb, his group was the distraction. Originally the player characters had the bomb, newer canon implies Blackhand had the bomb.
>It was Morgan Blackhand's
It was Militech's
>yfw
https://youtu.be/-s_mu8dEtKI?t=59
Anyone else find that they can draw a lot of similarities between Johnny Silverhand and David Martinez?
>Both started out as cogs in the Corpo machine (Second Conflict armed by Militech and Arasaka Academy respectively)
>Outright defiance is marked by the installation of cyberware
>Both have a Sandevistan, granted Johnny only had it in the tabletop rpg
>Both are motivated by doing right by their loved ones at one point
>Both wind up becoming Cyberpsychos
>Both get smashed by Adam Smasher after storming Arasaka
If you start out as Corpo V, you follow the same plot too, which leads me to believe that's the canonical path. I know some people say Streetkid was supposed to be the only option, but I feel like the opening must have been changed as it's by far the most boring one that gives you the least connection to Jackie, for some reason.
It's like a conspiracy nut blaming the government for everything today. They end up being right 90% of the time, but making that assumption by default will make everyone else view you as a deranged, paranoid lunatic and damage your relationships
I personally liked it for how simple it was.
>vato with a gun sticks you up for the luxury car you're about to steal
>cops bust you both and throw your ass out in the alleyway
>vato becomes hermano and invites you to go get some food together
pretty fricking based
I get what you mean, but logically it makes zero sense and, despite what people say, it has by far the worst dialogue options. If you pick streetkid, V's entire character is that he is from Heywood. Their name might as well be Vincent/Valerie Heywood. You hung out at the coyote all the time, but you never met the owner or her son despite being in good with Pepe. You don't know Misty, or Viktor somehow, despite Vik being one of the better rippers nearby. Also, your entire history in Atlanta means basically nothing.
Johnny's promise works out much better for V in my opinion, and I'm pretty sure the Star ending fulfills multiple promises made.
It's over for the roastoids
- now a reality
Absolute fricking cringe. I never chose an ending where he didn't get fricking deleted.
what about that theory of the engram having blackhand's memories mixed in and that's why johnny's flashback is like that
just because he's black?
>theory
yeah, let's keep it that way
That would make more sense than having blackhand alive and well in a world where his Archnemesis Adam Smasher is living and working for the Arasakas. You could've defended it lore-wise before Edgerunners existed but not anymore.
i didn't really like Johnny but Keanu played it well imo.
There is a scene near the end when you are in the soul prison with both Johnny and Alt. One of the options in the conversation when you find out that you are doomed and they can't simply "remove" the relic is to accuse Jhonny of having planned it all out to end up with your body.
The way he reacts was fantastic, he sounds really hurt that you would think that of him, that single piece of conversation turned Johnny (and keanu) around for me, from not caring to thinking that maybe i judged him too harshly.
Thanks for reading my blog.
im 30 hours played, why are corpos bad? i got the lecture from keanu about how they're evil after meeting pam but I don't get it
its the theme of cp
>why are tech trillionaire autocrats that openly kill government officials with immortality in sight bad
gee idk anon
Johnny going from "frick everything burn Arasaka no matter the cost" to basically giving that up just so he can save V is wild
Because Pondsmith (plagarist) says so.
Look at real life and imagine if (almost) all the laws and regulations surrounding corporations were either removed, or heavily altered to be in the corporations favor. Then, go a step further and have those corporations ingratiate themselves into every aspect of your life to include not only your personal life, but everything you see outside including the government.
world is literally dying, no animals anywhere, water is poisonous, 99% of the population dying from drinking said water and who knows what else while corpos living like tech gods on the moon
They only care about profit and will do anything to get it. At the same time most of night city is degenerate scum so really they deserve it
They are degenerate scum because that's all they can do. They aren't going to get richer, the place is violent as frick and you can die at any time, and the place is hard to leave because its in the middle of a desert wasteland.
The Corporations in Cyberpunk are similar to Nation States with their power and influence. All of them do nefarious shit on the side, but they all also employ regular people as well. It's a bit of a gray area. Takemura offers a bit of a look at this if you talk to him during the scouting bit of Gimme Danger.
Johnny Silverhand as a concept and character? Based as frick. Johnny Silverhand as executed in 2077? Cringe.
The OG Johnny was this crazy punk rocker who was high on life, constantly fricking with corps, and was constantly surrounded by drama. He was essentially Sonic the Hedgehog if Sonic was actually cool in a realistic way and was rated M.
In 2077, they turned him into this washed up, moody, ultra-cynical and edgy tard who is too crazy to appeal to anybody. His entire thing is that nobody can stand him at all, not even his close friends. We can sit around and say that "oh that's how he turned out after being gone and stuck in a chip for 50+ years" but the whole point of 2077 was to show Pondsmith's Cyberpunk in a fully realized, 3D video game and they failed to capture who Johnny Silverhand was as a concept. It doesn't help that Keanu Reaves just isn't the type of actor who'd portray Silverhand that well.
How about you shut the frick up - I've been playing the TTRPG since before you were born, and Keanu knocked it out of the park as the ultimate rockerboy.
He doesnt even song or compose the samurai music KEK the game even skips the part where he touch the guitar or do concert
Uhhh arasaka edited his memories to make him seem washed up and moody he's actually really cool my headcanon says so
The only one that could portray Johnny well was Davud Bowie probably
p&p player and I couldn't disagree with you more. Johnny Silverhand was the ultimate victim of gaslighting and it made him think he was far more important than he actually was. His depiction in 2077 is the natural conclusion to his life's story and I don't see how anyone who knows the source material could disagree.
Same and agreed.
>Same and agreed.
I've played longer than you, please don't quote me and act like we're buddies.
and for the record, Johnny did nothing wrong at all in blowing up arasaka - the 100,000,00 deaths of both workers and civilians was totally justified in retrospect.
How can one homosexual be so mindbroken? You're so mad that someone else knows more than you, and calls you on your shit that you're going to imitate them poorly on an anonymous imageboard?
Pathetic
Whatever you say, Schizo.
I'm NTA you responded to but the one you originally mentioned to here
I disagree with what you said but legit don't know what's up with that gay. Kinda funny lol
Me neither. I think someone tagged the wrong post.
Oops!
All of CP2077 is garbage
What causes some mentally ill people to make posts like this?
it's not very well explained but essentially, the memories you experience of him are supposed to be rose tinted and maybe even altered because Arasaka can frick with the memories of an engram if they want to and probably did with Johnny's.
as he's integrating in to v, there's a few side stories that kind of conflicts with how he remembers life with his band, Kerry, alt, and others and it sort of breaks Johnny down over time. at the end all he cares about us killing smasher after he realizes he basically forsake everyone who loved him for Alt who never really cared about him that much.
Arasaka didn't care about him either until he shot up the place to get to alt and then nuked the building.
>it's not very well explained but essentially, the memories you experience of him are supposed to be rose tinted
Okay, makes sense
>and maybe even altered because Arasaka can frick with the memories of an engram if they want to and probably did with Johnny's.
I mean, that's just bullshit
they can do that, but why would they? to frick with his memories that he wouldn't even care about because he's an engram? he was never intended to be put in a body ever again.
That's just you theorizing shit
>Arasaka didn't care about him either until he shot up the place to get to alt and then nuked the building.
They didn't even care then. Johnny was just the decoy while Morgan did shit.
save So Mi --> dont fear the reaper
that's the one true canon ending
>V lives
>Johnny is gone
>All your friends except Vik frick you off
>No house since you lose your apartment from not paying rent
>No cyberware and get beat up by literal morons
>No legendary status in Night City
Shitty ending. I guess V could retire or become a fixer like Rogue but meh. I kinda feel like the FIA purposely fricked up V. Like removed all their chrome on purpose.
a kid from a farm, then foot soldier, then rockerboy trying to self destruct in usual suspects to setting off a nuke in HQ of one of the most powerful coprs in the world
yep pretty based
Wires and chains
(I’m just tired of looking the other way)
Starting to fade
(I’m just tired of looking the other way)
Feels like a game
(I’m just tired of looking the other way)
You have to play
(I’m just tired of looking the other way)
>hey Ganker, got a call about a disturbance down in mummie's basement. Someone screaming about innocent civilians and fanfiction. There's spilled tendies and honey mussy everywhere. My money's on cyberpsychosis, try and keep them alive for me, ok?
>netrunner experiencing cyberpsychosis could legit be a basement dwelling nerd browsing on the cyberpunk equivelant on Ganker
Imagine the power of autistic rage in this world.........
>Kill literally anyone trying to grab some morons eye
>ARE YOU FRICKING moronic V HOW DARE YOU THIS IS YOUR WORST GIG YET HOW DO YOU FRICK EVERYTHING UP
>Right after V botched the biggest gig of their life and lost their best friend
I am going to murder every cyberpsycho in the city now.
DLC missions aren't much better. Muamar "Gadaffi" el capitan Reyes gives you 1:30 seconds to deliver a bike 5 km away and all but calls you a donkey brained moron for not accomplishing it
I have zero idea why you would want to do those vehicle missions. The games weakest side content is by far those vehicle missions now.
Unless you're a pistol build I don't think you can pull out a weapon and fire back effectively, from what I remember vehicle quickhacks didn't work on the enemies, and what's the point in me owning a weaponised militech truck if I can't actually use it on any missions? I miss having for sale in the city too, it felt like buying your first used car when you had to walk to some random carpark and buy a MaiMai. Now I just sprint jump everywhere or hop on Jackie's bike.
only reason I did it was for the weaponized vehicles, before I realised that none of them had turrets, and they were just more of the forward mounted garbage cars
Thanks for the laughs anon.
Pic unrelated
pic is accurate tho
He's just a glorious butthole that embraces it, I can respect that. My only real problem is most of Keanus voice acting that comes across as way too dull, it got better in Phantom Liberty though.
Guys. Is this really going to be the only DLC for Cyberpunk? I feel like they could easily make another. The world is rich enough for something else
A sequel is already confirmed in shareholder conferences and has an entirely new CDPR team set up in America to develop it. Nobody knows if it will have the same primary devs.
>A sequel is already confirmed in shareholder conferences
Yeah but that's probably very far away. Like 2026 or some shit. Also
>America
Do we really want Murricans working on this shit? The reason CDPR is safe from wokeshit (to a degree) is because it's Polish devs. Imagine if the main character is a fricking troony or some shit in the sequel
Data hell is literally hell, rogue ai are devils, hacking is black magic
Technology removes you from God’s creation and makes you come into contact with Satan
the writers wanted based
the voice talent delivered cringe
How does Phantom liberty compare to Hearts of stone/ blood and wine. Is it better than base game as the former two?
I honestly like Phantom Liberty better than both Witcher 3 DLCs. It's comparable to Blood and Wine
KEK its heart of stone replacing a c**t david beckham for a asiatic and idris elba as the devil/glowy agent with Myers even their end trolls V like he just wished to mr mirror a cure
PL was so good it made me wish they went back on the "only 1 expansion" thought and made the casino to close out the game
Fingers crossed we get another dlc. Or at least get the sequel sooner rather than later
it was alright but it also was a complete failure financially. they didn't expect such a low adoption rate for it. they wouldn't go back on their plans either way, it's not a small indie company that can just do a 180° overnight, they got other projects in the works that have already eaten millions and will continue to do so, they have wages to pay, etc. cyberpunk 2077 was a failure but at least they managed to get some good will back for the brand and pave the road for a sequel in a decade.
Way better one of the best dlcs I have played
Its heart of stone but you get a chopped zone, get a agaslightning asiatic instead of an annoying david beckham and mr mirror its two characters from the nusa also no sex with a cute redhead shorthaired so WORSE
It kinda falls in the middle. It's not as robust as Blood and Wine, but is bigger than Hearts of Stone.
Story-wise, I'd say it's better than both of them, although you won't find anyone as cool as O'Dimm or Regis in PL.
Although using Regis in BoW was cheating because everybody loves Regis.
ALEX IS YOUR TRUE WIFE GO TO MONACO WITH HER BROS
She wish me death if i run with the asiatic because i dont believe their crappy ice was enough to capture somi or if i turn her to idris
She was remarkably chill about me freeing So Mi and shooting Reed
>invites me for a beer
>"I've been ordered to kill you for selling out the NUSA lol, easiest mission I ever got, I'm just gonna wait a week for you to die of brain cancer and then file a report saying GOTTEM"
he was a narcissistic moron who fricked over everyone around him, it's not until he becomes a cyberghost that he gets to grow a little into a decent guy
So that's why he feels so much kinship with So Mi.
He says So Mi reminds him of who he was before he met V and Reed is what he could have been if he stayed in Military. It's the reason why he doesn't criticize for taking either side because he sees both sides
huh, I never saw it that way
> Cyberpunk sequel
> new character in your mind
Who should it be Ganker ?
It's gonna be Songbird.
Blackhand, constantly criticizing your sloppy work
Blackhand isn't dead.
>character modeled after him
>actually does look like him (unlike Silverhand who was supposed to look like Ziggy-era Bowie)
Blackhand cant stop winning
Actually, CDPR wanted to use Bowie as the actor for Silverhand but there was a small problem of Bowie being very dead and Keanu Reeves was very much alive and cooperative, so they picked the easier route.
He looks more like a chad version of ben affleck at middle age if batman vs superman didnt happened
You could have an engram of someone even if they're not dead. Would be interesting if you meet the real person later.
that would actually be kino, which means it will never happen
> Why dont you non lethal capture everyone like my legendary style?chromes?! Are you another smashing homosexual?!
smasher
>the whole game is Smasher being a schizo voice in the back of your head telling you to murder everyone
>Every time you meet a hoe smasher controls you to say frickable piece of meat also forced you to roleplay Elvis in romances
Probably just another blankslate character like V
> My name is W
I hope they don't do another character in your mind gimmick. At most it should be an AI like Delemain or Skippy with a meme celeb voice actor.
based, look at what corpos turned night city into
so what if he killed some innocents, if those innocents weren't pussied and actually stood up to the man they wouldn't have to be sacrificed like that
i'd like to see a crpg spinoff tbh it'd give more focus to a district or a gang
>Adam Smasher
Based
>So Mi
Not based
>Johnny
Kinda based
>Hansen
Based
>Reed
Kinda based
>Alex
Kinda based
cant believe cyberpunk fricking won
lol
The game with most celeb shilling and money spent on that? Yes
The black sapphire mission was easily one of the best video game missions I have played, the infil part was really cool I felt like 007
The whole of PL is fantastic. One of the best expansions I've played. But then again, so were Heart of Stone and Blood and Wine. CDPR are just amazing devs
Yeah I wish CDPR just abandoned last gen consoles before release it really held them back
I imagine many probably wanted to frick off last gen consoles. The Corpo suits at the top probably realised there was way more money to be made getting it on last gen consoles.
Kinda funny, considering Cyberpunk is anti-corpo
Yes this shit its the most paradoxical bullshit thank god its isnt time travel or it wouls open a giant black hole
Nope they just suck at programming not even 2.0 saves from that trainwreck by dropping ps4
Killing Songbird and then doing the Fear the Reaper ending is canon.
*Saving Songbird
Both Saving Songbird and the Sun ending of Don't Fear the Reaper involve Mr Blue Eyes and space.