>hurr durr muh eceleb bullcrap
How many mudslime orphan did he bomb? Yeah, thought so. You can guzzle down as much state propaganda as you please but until someone breaks Obama's highscore he's still the one and only president of the U S of A pants shitter.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so the other anon was right this is a new cope.
12 months ago
Anonymous
There was no other anon samegay.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Cope more
12 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so the other anon was right this is a new cope.
>inspect element
Arrest more
12 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t even know what the frick you’re rambling about at this point.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>t. i can't breathe.
12 months ago
Anonymous
What are you talking about?
12 months ago
Anonymous
Explain yourself.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Donald Trump wealthy real estate mogul, businessman, television/movie star, and former president of the United States. He basically broke the internet in 2016. You don’t know who that is?
Yeah, in the 90's it was hard to get an accurate picture of what your kids were playing from lying box art and the online space was very new. Also gaming magazines didn't always cover the game you wanted in the current issue and renting it doesn't mean you are skilled enough to see everything in the game that your kid will once they own it, even then both those cost additional money on top of the cost of the game.
Instead of giving into many parents and reactionaries demands for government censorship he simply brought all the retailers together and had them agree to only buy stock that had a descriptive warning by the industry on the package that allowed parents to see what questionable content was in the game. A solution that got the job done without overreaching.
This is dumb. Books don't have ratings and they're much older than games. How many 12 year old kids were reading shit like 50 Shades of Gray? And that's just the one that got called into the spotlight, there are tons of inappropriate books being read by kids all the time and nobody really cares aside from the small set of classics that get brought up every now and again when they try to teach them in schools.
I realize your argument is that parents cannot screen games, but they could easily screen books since all you have to do is read them. I'm saying they don't even do that, because nobody cares what their kids read.
I agree for the most part on the book part but politics moves towards what people complain about and visual media was it back i the day. TV was under much stricter regulations of what they could broadcast and when, films had their own rating system as well.
As far as outcomes go, a little symbol on the corner of the box that isn't even legally required is a fair compromise to a bunch of parents throwing a national hissy fit and demanding harsh censorship laws.
Are you implying Stephen King is fricked up or something? I think the worst thing is the sewer scene in IT and the trashcanman rape scene in The Stand but that was the uncut / uncensored version anyways.
King has never been shy about brutal and fricked up moments in his works. A bunch of his stories are just straight up misery porn often with clear sexual undertones.
I mean there's gore sure but I don't think I'd call it fricked up and brutal. Even the worst thing in that book there is the degloving thing and it's gross but not like...super gross.
>List two things that happen in his books including one that's probably fairly obscure >Y-y-you've never read his books!
Look I like King, I do, but in terms of horror he's not exactly some shock fest or something. He's a good writer but if you're actually getting scared and disturbed by his stuff you might unironically be a pussy. There's way more fricked up and edgy writers out there.
He is offensively dogshit as a writer and constantly includes needless details that stretch anywhere from your dad's hairy nutsack to the level of humidity on saturn at any given moment.
No one should read his shit, least of all kids.
The difference is that schools champion readind, then they turn around and say video games are a waste time.
Books can be fricking trash just like anything else.
My school library had tons of romance novels with explicitly described sex scenes, Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean M Auel was one I specifically remember
Visual mediums cause more immediate reactions in people. It's true outside fiction as well. A crime that has a graphic video taken of it is given infinitely more attention than a crime only described in words. Books are culturally considered a safe medium cause it's been around for so long and there's nothing instinctively objectionable about words on a page.
This is dumb. Books don't have ratings and they're much older than games. How many 12 year old kids were reading shit like 50 Shades of Gray? And that's just the one that got called into the spotlight, there are tons of inappropriate books being read by kids all the time and nobody really cares aside from the small set of classics that get brought up every now and again when they try to teach them in schools.
I realize your argument is that parents cannot screen games, but they could easily screen books since all you have to do is read them. I'm saying they don't even do that, because nobody cares what their kids read.
The issue I have with the ESRB is that any sexual content immediately gets an AO rating, but you can play as a serial killer and it's still only M. It treats sex as something innately "worse" than violence and murder, typical of American prudishness.
That game was fricking sick, whatever it was called. I remember it was on genesis. Wish I still had that gun so I could to a nude sl1 light gun only elden ring playthrough
>No. Censorship is NEVER good.
They didn't censor anything, they specifically tried to avoid government censorship through law by working with the game industry and retailers to create a ratings system to better inform the buyer of what was in the game.
>now you have to pay a company to rate your game. neat.
You don't have to pay the $4,000, it's not against the law to sell an unrated game, it's just that some business and download shops won't put your game in stock.
You realize that is still censorship? Ratings systems are stupid, the same thing happened to comic books, specifically batman where the comics had to comply with "moral" guidelines to be certified by a non governmental committee in order to sell more. It's why the killing joke comic is so iconic despite it being pretty bog standard, it was one of the first comics made after said committee fricked finally off, there's a reason why an entire era of Batman was dedicated to Adam west and dumb ass plots like buzzsaw Batman.
The comics code was about the big 3 publishers telling comic book store owners that they couldn't sell their comics alongside anything that wasn't CCA approved.
It effectively killed entire genres of comics for decades because they had to be sold behind counter or at "underground comix" scenes.
So yes, private companies CAN censor if they collaborate to control the entire medium.
The Hollywood blacklists of the 50s operated the same way. To avoid government scrutiny the big 5 studios fired and blacklisted anyone who was a suspected homosexual and/or communist sympathizer
It seems quaint now but it's hard to blame Boomers for freaking out a little when games went from Pac Man to Mortal Kombat in the span of a decade. That doesn't excuse the greasy politicians who jumped on the bandwagon and were claiming Night Trap had an interactive rape sequence and other similar nonsense though.
No, any old rich boomer from any side of politics crying about >muh violent vidya
Is just appealing to their base through a 'those darn kids' argument. Not to mention a hypocrite given all of the violence the state both supports and conducts.
The fact 'tradcath, classic traditionalists (/pol/cels) are now appealing to this line of reasoning just shows them to be moronic homosexuals of the highest order.
And yet we’re seeing the effects of not listening to those trads every day. Not even being a polcel. There’s some things boomers were actually right about.
I always thought these threads are done by jaded zoomers upset that they spent most of their formative years playing vidya. But instead of taking responsibility for their actions they just blame video games.
>Night Trap will never appear on a Nintendo system.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4991495/user-clip-night-trap-nintendo-system
Whoops!
https://www.nintendo.com/store/products/night-trap-25th-anniversary-edition-switch/
They thought it was some kind of bdsm/snuff shit or something.
12 months ago
Anonymous
Nintendo? Lying to hurt their competition? Next you'll be surprised they bought out stock in most major electronics retailers in Japan to disallow them from stocking the Megadrive.
People were upset about Mortal Kombat and Nintendo shifted the blame to Night Trap because it was exclusive to Sega.
But couldn't the company that owns the game say "That's bullshit, none of that is in our game, here's the entire list of the videos contained in the game and you can see it's nothing bad"? Were people just fricking idiots in the past?
12 months ago
Anonymous
It kind of helped them, the controversy turned night trap from a trashy FMV game to a nation wide phenomena.
12 months ago
Anonymous
They even turned it into some advertisements.
12 months ago
Anonymous
In order to set a precedent Sega took the side of defending developers artistic expression. You're now realizing Nintendo being alive today explains a lot in the state of the industry.
12 months ago
Anonymous
The people who made the game did protest but the government didn't care because they had already made up their minds. Besides, nothing really came of it. The industry was allowed to self regulate (which was already in the process of getting started), and the shitty Sega CD game became infamous and much more successful than it had any right to be.
12 months ago
Anonymous
In the hearing a pretty good case was made for Night Trap, listing things like >Literally nothing happens to the victims, they are at worst taken away or kind of injected with some goofy ass machine >You control the person protecting them >There's no nudity you morons
But it was all just set aside because "we see violence and good looking girls, it's bad". Fricking hate when it's clear cut they dont give a shit about evidence.
12 months ago
Anonymous
>Were people just fricking idiots in the past?
You think they're any better today?
Nintendo? Lying to hurt their competition? Next you'll be surprised they bought out stock in most major electronics retailers in Japan to disallow them from stocking the Megadrive.
It was a time when less was known about each game, a lot of game companies made money soley on making really good cover art alone to sell to rental companies like blockbuster.
Why wasn't there a Jack Thompson for movies like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the Dead? Every fricking Gen X parent went out to see those movies as a kid, and now gore is normalized in every single piece of media in the United States.
Movies were always made for adults first and had rating systems in place, so someone was there to prevent kids from watching it. Video games are focused on kids, especially after Nintendo made the NES to be marketed as a toy system.
Except that's not fricking true, the first wave of arcade goers were adults, it's a literal psyop that games are for kids when for the first decade or so it was every age group under the sun playing them! More proof that Nintendo ruined the entire industry
That was less about actually being made for kids and more about the stigma around games and console in post crash America. That’s why even today most companies don’t just market consoles solely as games machines but show other superfluous elements to it.
There was but it was in the 20s or 40s or whenever film was getting big, same goes for shit like rock and roll, Pokémon, and DnD. The whole shit with video games was less about them actually being uniquely dangerous and more about times a changin shit, It’s basically pic related.
no. i think exposure only causes issues with pornographic content.
violent people are drawn to engage in violent things, but violent media doesn't make people violent. on the whole, people are less violent in modern society than they have ever been, yet video game popularity is at an all time high.
>people are less violent in modern society than they have ever been
Suicides are at an all-time high. People saw no issue with children getting mutilated at birth and even went beyond it to encourage self-harm and voluntary castration. Crime is increasing rather than decreasing. Internet discourse is chimp tier, the last time someone was spotted agreeing to disagreeing was in 1990s. I don't understand how you could ever think we're getting less violent.
Monkey paw: Videogame violence gets heavily censored in the 90s to the point you can't even have characters punch each other, but breasts and ass remain until today. Yes or no?
Zoomers discovered Ganker and now spread a very meta brand of shit posting and loathing where it’s not specific games but all games and it’s not a specific board it’s Ganker as a whole.
>in California it was a chinaman democrat
Was that Leland Yee? He got busted for gun trafficking after holding a very vocal anti-guns position and is essentially the impetus for me becoming a staunch 2A advocate.
why is he holding a real gun (no fake)
Yes. Conservatives were right about everything, that's why all the thinking gamers support them these days.
>Lieberman
>Conservative
That's Jack Thompson.
>xhe thinks democrates of the 80s and 90s wouldn't be conservative by today's standards
shiggydiggydogdagdoggoduggodoo
>censorship is LE GOOD when my daddy does it
Dumb hypocrite.
Yes censorship I'd based when it's against people I don't like
Schmittpilled
>Lieberman
>Political party:Democratic (until 2006), Independent (since 2006)
Stop going to /misc/, you are terminally stupid.
>he doesn't know that american parties switch colors every 4 years
Exile yourself to /po/ downie you're too dumb to function.
>Trump was Democratic when he reran in 2020
Is this the new cope?
Who the frick is Trump you permaonline virgin
Not him, but have you been living under a rock?
>hurr durr muh eceleb bullcrap
How many mudslime orphan did he bomb? Yeah, thought so. You can guzzle down as much state propaganda as you please but until someone breaks Obama's highscore he's still the one and only president of the U S of A pants shitter.
Oh so the other anon was right this is a new cope.
There was no other anon samegay.
Cope more
>inspect element
Arrest more
I don’t even know what the frick you’re rambling about at this point.
>t. i can't breathe.
What are you talking about?
Explain yourself.
Donald Trump wealthy real estate mogul, businessman, television/movie star, and former president of the United States. He basically broke the internet in 2016. You don’t know who that is?
ha.
>ziocucks good
never has been and never will, traitor
Yeah, in the 90's it was hard to get an accurate picture of what your kids were playing from lying box art and the online space was very new. Also gaming magazines didn't always cover the game you wanted in the current issue and renting it doesn't mean you are skilled enough to see everything in the game that your kid will once they own it, even then both those cost additional money on top of the cost of the game.
Instead of giving into many parents and reactionaries demands for government censorship he simply brought all the retailers together and had them agree to only buy stock that had a descriptive warning by the industry on the package that allowed parents to see what questionable content was in the game. A solution that got the job done without overreaching.
>your kids
This is dumb. Books don't have ratings and they're much older than games. How many 12 year old kids were reading shit like 50 Shades of Gray? And that's just the one that got called into the spotlight, there are tons of inappropriate books being read by kids all the time and nobody really cares aside from the small set of classics that get brought up every now and again when they try to teach them in schools.
I realize your argument is that parents cannot screen games, but they could easily screen books since all you have to do is read them. I'm saying they don't even do that, because nobody cares what their kids read.
>video games
Vs
>books
Gee I wonder which one is statistically more popular with kids?
I agree for the most part on the book part but politics moves towards what people complain about and visual media was it back i the day. TV was under much stricter regulations of what they could broadcast and when, films had their own rating system as well.
As far as outcomes go, a little symbol on the corner of the box that isn't even legally required is a fair compromise to a bunch of parents throwing a national hissy fit and demanding harsh censorship laws.
>Books don't have ratings and they're much older than games
I read some Stephen King books in high school.
Worse than any game I've played.
Only as bad as a few anime that I've seen.
Video games are nothing compared to some of the moron shit in the school library.
Are you implying Stephen King is fricked up or something? I think the worst thing is the sewer scene in IT and the trashcanman rape scene in The Stand but that was the uncut / uncensored version anyways.
King has never been shy about brutal and fricked up moments in his works. A bunch of his stories are just straight up misery porn often with clear sexual undertones.
I mean there's gore sure but I don't think I'd call it fricked up and brutal. Even the worst thing in that book there is the degloving thing and it's gross but not like...super gross.
are you talking about the movies like it was all of stephen king?
Most of his books have sex and violence in them
Yes, anon. Because there's an uncensored version of the stand where Trashcanman gets raped. moron.
you sound like you’ve never actually read any of the books
>List two things that happen in his books including one that's probably fairly obscure
>Y-y-you've never read his books!
Look I like King, I do, but in terms of horror he's not exactly some shock fest or something. He's a good writer but if you're actually getting scared and disturbed by his stuff you might unironically be a pussy. There's way more fricked up and edgy writers out there.
He is offensively dogshit as a writer and constantly includes needless details that stretch anywhere from your dad's hairy nutsack to the level of humidity on saturn at any given moment.
No one should read his shit, least of all kids.
The difference is that schools champion readind, then they turn around and say video games are a waste time.
Books can be fricking trash just like anything else.
The quality of his work has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
Video games at the time were often sold in the children's toy section, I don't think the same holds true for 50 Shades.
My school library had tons of romance novels with explicitly described sex scenes, Clan of the Cave Bear by Jean M Auel was one I specifically remember
Visual mediums cause more immediate reactions in people. It's true outside fiction as well. A crime that has a graphic video taken of it is given infinitely more attention than a crime only described in words. Books are culturally considered a safe medium cause it's been around for so long and there's nothing instinctively objectionable about words on a page.
The issue I have with the ESRB is that any sexual content immediately gets an AO rating, but you can play as a serial killer and it's still only M. It treats sex as something innately "worse" than violence and murder, typical of American prudishness.
Absolutely. Video games and the internet in general have been a disaster in every conceivable way
No, freedom was good. It started to became shit when censorship happened.
>yes, I'm a fricking hypocrite
Kys, troony.
>troony
Totalitarianism is based when it oppresses people I deem beneath me. Like you
That game was fricking sick, whatever it was called. I remember it was on genesis. Wish I still had that gun so I could to a nude sl1 light gun only elden ring playthrough
>bideo games are too violent for americans!
>meanwhile americans in the middle east
Jack Thompson was facing the wrong enemy. Hollywood and social media have been much more corrosive to our culture.
No. Censorship is NEVER good.
>No. Censorship is NEVER good.
They didn't censor anything, they specifically tried to avoid government censorship through law by working with the game industry and retailers to create a ratings system to better inform the buyer of what was in the game.
now you have to pay a company to rate your game. neat.
>now you have to pay a company to rate your game. neat.
You don't have to pay the $4,000, it's not against the law to sell an unrated game, it's just that some business and download shops won't put your game in stock.
You don't need your game rated to sell it.
Actually you do for physical, at least on large scale.
But western rating is far less annoying than CERO.
>CEET MARP
>CT RAPE ME
Why did he do it?
c**tsitutioners Rape
You realize that is still censorship? Ratings systems are stupid, the same thing happened to comic books, specifically batman where the comics had to comply with "moral" guidelines to be certified by a non governmental committee in order to sell more. It's why the killing joke comic is so iconic despite it being pretty bog standard, it was one of the first comics made after said committee fricked finally off, there's a reason why an entire era of Batman was dedicated to Adam west and dumb ass plots like buzzsaw Batman.
Ratings are not the same thing as the Comics Code you moron homosexual.
>You realize that is still censorship?
no, it literally isn't
The comics code was about the big 3 publishers telling comic book store owners that they couldn't sell their comics alongside anything that wasn't CCA approved.
It effectively killed entire genres of comics for decades because they had to be sold behind counter or at "underground comix" scenes.
So yes, private companies CAN censor if they collaborate to control the entire medium.
The Hollywood blacklists of the 50s operated the same way. To avoid government scrutiny the big 5 studios fired and blacklisted anyone who was a suspected homosexual and/or communist sympathizer
Yes. I went on to stomp many turtles due to out of control mario play.
It seems quaint now but it's hard to blame Boomers for freaking out a little when games went from Pac Man to Mortal Kombat in the span of a decade. That doesn't excuse the greasy politicians who jumped on the bandwagon and were claiming Night Trap had an interactive rape sequence and other similar nonsense though.
No, any old rich boomer from any side of politics crying about
>muh violent vidya
Is just appealing to their base through a 'those darn kids' argument. Not to mention a hypocrite given all of the violence the state both supports and conducts.
The fact 'tradcath, classic traditionalists (/pol/cels) are now appealing to this line of reasoning just shows them to be moronic homosexuals of the highest order.
And yet we’re seeing the effects of not listening to those trads every day. Not even being a polcel. There’s some things boomers were actually right about.
It's funny how the left went and took all the conservative talking points against video games
And big pharma. And war.
>The left
Frick off, this thread was started by a return to tradition /misc/cuck. The OTHER thread
up right now with the same topic was also started by a rightoid.
I always thought these threads are done by jaded zoomers upset that they spent most of their formative years playing vidya. But instead of taking responsibility for their actions they just blame video games.
*nintendo sells out all of gaming*
*Ganker memoryholes it*
these people hate you and ruined gaming for everyone.
>Night Trap will never appear on a Nintendo system.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4991495/user-clip-night-trap-nintendo-system
Whoops!
https://www.nintendo.com/store/products/night-trap-25th-anniversary-edition-switch/
Was Night Trap even all that bad or were people just caught up in the hysteria?
It's about as hardcore as full house or maybe an episode of seinfeld.
Then what the frick was people's problem with it?
They thought it was some kind of bdsm/snuff shit or something.
But couldn't the company that owns the game say "That's bullshit, none of that is in our game, here's the entire list of the videos contained in the game and you can see it's nothing bad"? Were people just fricking idiots in the past?
It kind of helped them, the controversy turned night trap from a trashy FMV game to a nation wide phenomena.
They even turned it into some advertisements.
In order to set a precedent Sega took the side of defending developers artistic expression. You're now realizing Nintendo being alive today explains a lot in the state of the industry.
The people who made the game did protest but the government didn't care because they had already made up their minds. Besides, nothing really came of it. The industry was allowed to self regulate (which was already in the process of getting started), and the shitty Sega CD game became infamous and much more successful than it had any right to be.
In the hearing a pretty good case was made for Night Trap, listing things like
>Literally nothing happens to the victims, they are at worst taken away or kind of injected with some goofy ass machine
>You control the person protecting them
>There's no nudity you morons
But it was all just set aside because "we see violence and good looking girls, it's bad". Fricking hate when it's clear cut they dont give a shit about evidence.
>Were people just fricking idiots in the past?
You think they're any better today?
Nintendo? Lying to hurt their competition? Next you'll be surprised they bought out stock in most major electronics retailers in Japan to disallow them from stocking the Megadrive.
People were upset about Mortal Kombat and Nintendo shifted the blame to Night Trap because it was exclusive to Sega.
It's cornball B-movie shit.
It's rated T
Post the piccture where a guy ripeed all of his skin off and ate it.
It was a time when less was known about each game, a lot of game companies made money soley on making really good cover art alone to sell to rental companies like blockbuster.
Why wasn't there a Jack Thompson for movies like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Dawn of the Dead? Every fricking Gen X parent went out to see those movies as a kid, and now gore is normalized in every single piece of media in the United States.
Movies were always made for adults first and had rating systems in place, so someone was there to prevent kids from watching it. Video games are focused on kids, especially after Nintendo made the NES to be marketed as a toy system.
Except that's not fricking true, the first wave of arcade goers were adults, it's a literal psyop that games are for kids when for the first decade or so it was every age group under the sun playing them! More proof that Nintendo ruined the entire industry
Eh... It was NOA bullshit and mostly on American market, due whole vidya crash.
But so far they stoped b***hing not much after rating system became a thing and ceased for good meddling with games around early GBA.
Current vidya market is dominated by 14-25 age demography.
Meanwhile japan was fricking wild west till CERO. You could even find a few strip mahjong on consoles.
That was less about actually being made for kids and more about the stigma around games and console in post crash America. That’s why even today most companies don’t just market consoles solely as games machines but show other superfluous elements to it.
There was but it was in the 20s or 40s or whenever film was getting big, same goes for shit like rock and roll, Pokémon, and DnD. The whole shit with video games was less about them actually being uniquely dangerous and more about times a changin shit, It’s basically pic related.
No he’s just riding a wave of moral panic in order to drum up support for himself just like every politician that goes after “corrupting elements”.
no. i think exposure only causes issues with pornographic content.
violent people are drawn to engage in violent things, but violent media doesn't make people violent. on the whole, people are less violent in modern society than they have ever been, yet video game popularity is at an all time high.
Blaming vidya for violence is just usual bullshit scapegoat. But lets be honest it actually need some leash, rating isn't perfect but works.
And like anon, said, video games are way more tame than most books.
>people are less violent in modern society than they have ever been
Suicides are at an all-time high. People saw no issue with children getting mutilated at birth and even went beyond it to encourage self-harm and voluntary castration. Crime is increasing rather than decreasing. Internet discourse is chimp tier, the last time someone was spotted agreeing to disagreeing was in 1990s. I don't understand how you could ever think we're getting less violent.
People have become more mentally ill when videogames have become mainstream, so he might be on to something
Social media did far more damage to society than vidya,
Monkey paw: Videogame violence gets heavily censored in the 90s to the point you can't even have characters punch each other, but breasts and ass remain until today. Yes or no?
Why does have board about video games contain so many people who loath themselves for playing video games?
>Why does a
You have horrible taste in vidya ESL
IT WAS A TYPO!!
Your minor mistake has cost you everything.
Sure it was.
GOTTEM UOL
This is cuckchan, anyone who wanted to talk about vydia games went to greener pastures
Zoomers discovered Ganker and now spread a very meta brand of shit posting and loathing where it’s not specific games but all games and it’s not a specific board it’s Ganker as a whole.
Maybe has to do with the new wave of tradlarpers?
In any case it's definitely newbies who should never have come here.
I wonder how he felt about the airsoft craze in the late 2000s
(LIEBERMAN)
ALSO
during the 90s it was Al Gore, Hillary, Liberman and other democrats that attacked and tried to destroy gaming
in California it was a chinaman democrat who tried to cancel gaming and eventually he went to prison later on for corruption charges
fricking leftist democrats. every time
Gore tried to do it with Rock as well and got BTFO by Dee Snider
>every time
'cept all those other times
Joe Liberman wasn't really much of a leftist. The only thing separating him from a modern republican is his support of abortion and gay marriage.
>in California it was a chinaman democrat
Was that Leland Yee? He got busted for gun trafficking after holding a very vocal anti-guns position and is essentially the impetus for me becoming a staunch 2A advocate.