>was only created as a plot device for cloud's story
>death is portrayed as incidental and pathetic
>subsequent content turned him into a poochy messiah-like figure that's connected to the most important events and characters in the game
>death is portrayed as a heroic last stand with seven trillion shinra grunts going at him
he wasn't supposed to be that important, why did they make him into the glue that binds the compilation of ff7 together?
Hahahahahahahaha How The Frick Is FF7 "Extended Canon" Real Hahahaha homie Just Walk Away From The Screen Like homie Play The Original Game Only Haha
couldn't have said it better
normies getting jebaited into an extended universe of a game that's decades old. move in idiots, you're getting milked.
I'm torn about this, because the original game will always exist, and I used to think about alternate paths the game could have taken, like I do with a lot of fantasy/fiction I indulge in. The new games (I don't like them 'cause they're ARPGs, not turn-based as I wanted them to remain) are taking that route, and that's kinda cool.
At the same time, it feels as though they are tarnishing the original story in some sense, although I can't quite articulate how/why. I'm no literary professor, but I'm sure there is something to be said about changing a classic work.
I genuinely feel sad that people will experience this new version and not the same one I did back when it came out, though.
i loved the OG FF7 and was hyped for the "remake" but it didn't lasted. It's like you said, it's not the same thing, they are ripping apart the story that barely hold up together before.
fpbp I've been ignoring any ff7 media since the original dropped in 1997.
>poochy
Go away brown skinned moron
Nice projection, mexilard
>he wasn't supposed to be that important
Says who? You?
Based on what the creator's apparent "true" vision was, FF7 is quite clearly accidentally good. A Star Wars sort of situation.
I get that everyone loves FF7 and wanted more, but you have to be careful what you wish for. Everything is absolute garbage besides the original game.
This. The only good thing about Zack was the mystery surrounding him, CC made him an irredeemable homosexual
>death is portrayed as a heroic last stand with seven trillion shinra grunts going at him
Man, I still remember how depressing that scene was. .
No music, he gets shot, the grunts just assume Cloud is as good as dead, and that kino pan out to the sun breaking the clouds on Midgar in the back at the end.
It really drove home how big Shrina and Midgar as a whole were, everyone was a disposable pawn and the city itself would keep on trucking thanks to the Lifestream revolution and its consequences.
The reason the scene works so well in FF7 is because it is about Cloud. Zack sacrifices himself for his friend.
In Crisis Core the scene is about Zack and how much of a badass Zack is and showing how much of a badass Zack is. Completely different and not impactful at all.
>In Crisis Core the scene is about Zack and how much of a badass Zack is and showing how much of a badass Zack is. Completely different and not impactful at all.
FF7 is my fav game, and I haven't played or watched anything FF7 related other than the PC US version. But I think Zack "being badass" in another game does say a lot about Cloud.
In the orig game, Cloud starts with Zack's mindstate he somehow absorbed when Zack died and is constantly trying to be standoffish, manly, and whatnot. The big plot twist is that Cloud was mindbroken over his trauma of being a "flunkie" and seeing his more-confident friend die made him take on Zack's persona. Eventually he returns to the real Cloud, more friendly and adventurous.
Don't forget, in the Mt. Nibel flashback Cloud was actually just a low-level guard. Picrel, Cloud is the security guy in blue.
That's kinda my issue with CC Zack, the fact that Cloud mimicks him paint a picture of him as le cool guy with just a tidbit of depth, while in CC he's a pretty lame homosexual of the "I joined soldier because I wanna be le epic hero" most of the time
Ah. I guess I made the right choice avoiding anything after the original. I hear it's just a load of retconning that ruins the orig.
Yes, it's kind of a waste. Instead of elaborating on the interesting features of it they just tack more unrelated bullshit onto it
>the idea of someones idol and image of them that they covet not being how that person actually was is so lost on him that he dislikes it entirely
one more example of standard, acceptable narrative conventions being whined about because it triggers fan autism. You cant possibly not see the irony of you saying CC Zack being a lame homosexual when almost the entire first of VII Cloud is being a lame homosexual "tough guy" for no reason.
Nice reading comprehension. I mean, you got what I said and tacked some belligerent notions into it that weren't even really implied. What I meant is that both sucked, for reasons stated, but at the very least they shouldn't have to make CC Zack into Snow 2.0
>both sucked
>shouldnt have to make-
knowing what the goal was and not liking it are two different things. I dont care how many times youve jerked off to Cloud. i dont care for either character too strongly. in your defence i am speaking right past you now because you seem to be fixated on Zack as a character ruining your fantasy of Cloud.
to my detriment i cant help but enjoy the rest of the FFVII garbage universe for what it is because of how bog standard frickin boring and trite the shit is by itself. No 2006 Tumblr chuuni "i never played the game but Sephiroth is so cool" tier attachment with me, just over here enjoying what little generic hero/saviour/identity theming there is going on with the whole Zack/Cloud debacle.
If im seeming incomprehensible at this point its because im typing quick and busy looking for some shit about GOOD iterations of the "MUH MENTOR" theme and narrative in RPGs and im drawing a blank- so if you could help me out with it ill take back all the things i just thought about you just wanting to ram Cloud and will deem you a man of repute
(you)
Sorry, just couldn't bother
fuk u c**t >:(
Zack still seemed like a friendly guy in the life stream version of the nibelheim flashback, I thing merc prick cloud wasn't a direct imitation of zack
I didn't mean Zack was unfriendly, I could've worded that post better. But he's much more composed than Cloud who just wants to do his signature move. Cloud clearly misinterpreted what made Zack so strong.
Cloud doesn't give a shit about looking composed and is driven by pure revenge (yet is still a good guy), and IMO is a stronger character for it.
this sounds like textbook bias. why is the scene not impactful just because it centres around the main character of the game it appears in? It doesnt make your best boy Cloud look worse just by making Zack look better. who sees a scene of a man dying for his friend and says "pfft, showoff"
Have you played the game? It comes off like they only had it end the way did because they have to because it is a prequel.
are you dumb? youre trying to tell me a prequel ends with the death scene of a character who is shown to die in the original game "because it has to"?
yes? it comes off that way because THATS NECESSARILY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. If someones friend dies in a game a prequel is most likely going to show how they died you frickin dumbdumb. This isnt complicated at all. I know there are some morons on this site that might need things spelled out but youre starting to sound like one yourself with the way youre acting like these assumptions are wild and difficult to arrive at.
Im not even fully invested in FFVII as a facet of my childhood or whatever the frick clinginess for it is usually attributed to people discussing it. Im just fully aware of how much more effectively a figure central to another character can be when theyre given extra characterization.
one last time, its very simple- Zack being written as a goober shonen protag in extended media only, obviously in my busted opinion, enhances themes of secession and legacy. Cloud's admiration of Zack is given more legitimacy by the CC wank, even if the OVA basically did that job. Now im just more confused to find that some people actually DISLIKE Zack being fleshed out for any reason.
Let me spell it out, you drooling moron. The end of Crisis Core is a not a sad tragedy like Zack's death in FF7. The scene is a showcase for Zack to be a super hero. In FF7, Zack and Cloud are brutalized, and Zack uses his last strength to save his friend, dying in the process. The tone and context are completely different. Which you wouldn't know, because you're reading some fricking wiki instead of playing the actual games; you homosexual.
>not a sad tragedy
>in FF7 Zack and Cloud are brutalized
>y-you read a wiki
lmaooooo what a FRICKING idiot. nice chat lad.
Black person.
>so b***hmade and seething he cant even shitpost any banter in response
>just mashes out Black person
kek, back to the coop Cletus
Cool it, troony.
>actually said it
This is classic nip writing. Like this other anon said, when they get something right, it's often by accident, and then when they go back to expand on it they don't even understand why it was good in the first place.
>when they get something right, it's often by accident, and then when they go back to expand on it they don't even understand why it was good in the first place
I am reminded of the peak of the Battlefield franchise being the spin-off title, Bad Company 2. Somehow they fricking nailed and perfected the formula and could never recapture it, even literally asking players "What did you like about this game? What did we do right?"
>This is classic nip writing. Like this other anon said, when they get something right, it's often by accident, and then when they go back to expand on it they don't even understand why it was good in the first place.
isnt that every large brand?
>Based on what the creator's apparent "true" vision was, FF7 is quite clearly accidentally good.
Got a link? Or story time? I could use a good distant stare into a flaming trainwreck right about now.
NTA.
https://shmuplations.com/ff7/
The main plot and themes were mostly Kitase and Sakaguchi, but a lot of people made the game. I don't think there ever was a clear vision other than "angry underdog takes down the corporates in Manhattan." It spiraled and iterated into something amazing.
The scene where Zack dies wasn't even in the original JP release, they were still building on the core story that late in development.
Thanks my man!
>link
literally the first fricking section of the interview specifically says their script was locked in from the start and they knew EXACTLY what they wanted to do. what the actual frick are you talking about? are you a fricking bot? gpt-san???
Shut the hell up, troon.
Reading that actually is why I typed what I said.
If you have played the game you know the art style and setting varies wildly. If you've looked-into enough other interviews about the game you'd realize he was lying. There was a clear vision and script at first, maybe, but they were constantly adding new characters and scenes and fights and etc. super late in development.
Sakaguchi didn't even know Zack existed until he played the final game lol.
>https://shmuplations.com/ff7/
That's a really neat site, anon! Thank you for sharing.
I completely buy being accidentally good
Like I think 8 has tons of good elements but it never grows into the kind of solidity ff7 does because the development just rolled the dice wrong in a few places. Games development is a big industrial process where things get shifted around and mutated constantly, not some solo work of mastery
*AAA development that is
It is still kind of crazy to me that the 3d in that game was based around what they learn from developing Mario RPG.
I enjoyed crisis core
Binging Crisis Core is the perfect dose of Tabata. Go into it as a standalone game, sprint to the end and never touch any of his other works and you could leave this earth still having a good opinion of him.
Might be even better if you've never played VII.
Tabata problem is they gave more power than he should. Like in Crisis core credits I remember Sachie(the woman who made the TWEWY lore ) being the first dev and I think he wasn't even in an importante place
Another problem is that he doesn't care about combat and Game design. With Type 0 and CC he was lucky because both games the Game designers wanted to do an arpg with an older FF system(materia with CC and Draw with Type) but with XV it had too many visions put together while he was more worried to finish the Game, doing a sad ending and show good graphic to the fans
People like Nomura and Kojima are hacks but they show that combat is also a priority for them. I don't like MGSV , or KH3 combat but I can see that is something they want to do.
They probably think that the love from Zack come after CC when their fanboys were anoying since the 90s
People thought Zack was mysterious and cool, but I never heard of a Zack "fanboy". He's barely a character in the game.
Same. I thought what they did with Zack was cool too. He was always really energetic and confident in the original game, and I felt like CC really portrayed him with that same personality well. His final battle felt like it made more sense too because Cloud wipes the floor with like 20 ShinRa goons right at the beginning of the main game, so it always seemed weird and unfair to me that Zack got done in by just a few regular dudes with guns.
I should add that I thought Genesis was lame though, and that most of the expanded lore is moronic. I'm pretty desensitized to that stuff though. I learned my lesson back when I got Advent Children on DVD way back in the day. That and Dirge of Cerberus taught me to have very, very low standards for expanded lore sequels.
>That and Dirge of Cerberus taught me to have very, very low standards for expanded lore sequels.
Man Dirge is such a weird let down. There was a couple DMCs out at the time. They just had to copy that and slap an ok story on it.
There are different levels of realism in different scenes and gameplay in FF7. Same logic as nobody talking about using a phoenix down on aeris.
Reducing zack to being machinegunned by regular soldiers makes the scene about the realistic death of a friend and brother, making him kill 5000 other guys first either makes you think of the thousands of grieving parents and girlfriends zack just created himself or just makes you not treat death seriously in this part of the story
>making him kill 5000 other guys first either makes you think of the thousands of grieving parents and girlfriends zack just created himself or just makes you not treat death seriously in this part of the story
Rare wise /vrpg/ poster
>protagonist is chased by armed division of psychotic corporation after escaping imprisonment and experimentation.
>start thinking about the poor grieving parents and girlfriends.
literal fricking moronation and i genuinely dont think ive ever seen a more disingenuous post in my entire life. You mean to fricking tell me you see a prisoner, wrongfully detained, escape chemical torture and your first thought when he battles tooth and nail in a fantastical display of strength and endurance for not even his own freedom but that of his friend- you first think of the relatives of his enemies?
FRICKING HELL. GET A FRICKING GRIP YOU SPASTIC c**t.
>yes but you see the hero is actually the bad guy because he killed people
FRICK OFF LMAO
>literal fricking moronation and i genuinely dont think ive ever seen a more disingenuous post in my entire life. You mean to fricking tell me you see a prisoner, wrongfully detained, escape chemical torture and your first thought when he battles tooth and nail in a fantastical display of strength and endurance for not even his own freedom but that of his friend- you first think of the relatives of his enemies?
Bro, what are you talking about? They escape and ride in a pickup truck for a while then he gets shot by like 2-3 Shinra goons.
frick has that got to do with imagining the families of even those goons? No point having a thread at this point if were all just going to be in some mass delusion that there isnt extra content in the form of OVAs and entire games detailing how Zack ended up carrying Cloud for an indeterminate amount of time while pursued by Shinra.
feels like the running "theres only one Matrix movie" meme. I just dont get it. its like the reverse of not having played the game. made even worse by the Remake series now deciding to frick up events and say "lol what are you talking about, Zack never died lol" or some shit
1. Play FF7
2. Don't play or watch anything else FF7-related
3. Problem solved
>"theres only one Matrix movie"
Not bad advice tbh
good thoughtful post
bad moronic posts
>>was only created as a plot device for cloud's story
lol Fake fan detected.
It was also that he was the second guy that cloud ended up idolizing (even more deeply than the first) and trying to imitate so he is deeply thematically tied to sephiroth. The fact that he died like a normal man but is still the far more worthy guy to try to live up to is sweet and poetic. I always truly despised the superhuman zack shit from crisis core
without the extended media the entire revelation of Cloud imitating him falls flat. the "superhuman zack shit" isnt nearly as superhuman and shit as half the shit Cloud achieves in anything he appears in post VII.
whether or not all that extra guff needed to be made at all is irrelevant at this point. It do and zack being revealed to be a swordjesus in his own right only adds to whatever wank hero image Cloud obtains later on, especially after seeing Cloud as a shitlet kid
>without the extended media the entire revelation of Cloud imitating him falls flat
Huh? Just the fact that he overwrites zack with himself in his memories of nibelheim and uses his sword is all you need
speaking in terms of now. not just the original FFVII. "Zack saved Cloud" is a cool enough characterisation of Zack but after all of this time him the added elements of him going tooth and nail for Cloud aswell as having his own achievements, being part of the original team of 1st class SOLDIERs and having interacted with alot of the world gives it that much more sentimentality that Cloud holds his image so closely.
Well I don't care about all that shit and never played any of it, I still got that cloud superimposed himself on zack and that being a parallel to idolizing sephiroth (and the meta thing where we the players are superimposing ourselves onto cloud being another layer).
Then shut the frick up and dont bother going off on "meta things" while at the same ignoring content relevant to your own opinion. Why would someone want to hear what you have to say about something you dont care about and didnt play? OPs pic is Zack's model from the original but unfortunately there exists more than that now.
probably wasnt your intention but 90% of the opinions on this board seem to be rejecting games then talking about them anyway
But he didn't do any of that at all you just suddenly went on a tirade barely related to that guys post
admitted to not playing the game and not caring about it in a back and forth about a character with new elements added in said game/s. Im liable to be a hypocrite and have no interest in the remake doing whatever its going to do to the Zack/Cloud thing either so i guess frick it.
Your posts are very strange and make you come off as someone who isn't putting a lot of thought into them. More like bursts of misplaced energy.
astute, seeing as im only here when taking breaks from drawing and likely have forgotten the exact wording of the last point i made.
Floor is still open for the request thats drawing more of my interest though, that being "More games wherein the mentor/idol of the player character was not who he claimed/imagined they were". I know its been done before, maybe not even "better" but im still just drawing a blank on which game it mightve appeared in.
By all accounts Zack was superhuman being a soldier first class.
However the portrayal of the abilities of Soldiers in all the media who aren't major characters is pretty bullshit tbh.
Eh, I'm comfortable with there being varying tones and levels of realism in a 60 hour game. The characters can be completely superhuman in gameplay and some scenes while being realistic in others. You had to be pretty autistic not to understand from the tone of the scene that you can't phoenix down aeris, because this is a representation of real world death. Obviously this can get schizo or unsatisfying in a hurry if they get the tone or scene wrong, but FF7 mostly didn't
>why did they make him into the glue that binds the compilation of ff7 together?
had to keep selling FF7 fanfiction because Square was in the red after spirits within/early 2000. They're still in the red which is why we got the 7R bullshit.
*laughs in only playing original ff7 and nothing else*
Not an rpg.
>there are people out there who hate Zack Fair
Zack is the kind of friend everyone secretely wishes they had. It's not his fault he got stuck in a game with Genesis
>FF7 Zack death
>Quick, cold, brutal, realistic
>CC Zack death
>Shounen-tier final stand before being murdered akin to the original
>Ends with a fricking Thelma & Louise chick-flick-tier ending with a J-pop number blaring in the background
>There are "people" who prefer the latter version
I'd be lying if I said CC Zack's death wasn't kino. Apart from the bit in between the final showdown and him dying, it just doesn't fit with 7's overall direction, tone, etc. If it was a stand alone game separate from 7's universe it'd be fine.
Yeah
Even the original devs downplayed Zack, to the point that you the player and Cloud were surprised when he walked in with that iconic swagger to Nibelheim years ago in the Northern Crater reveal. And then he was minorly fleshed and then if you bothered to seek more info in the easily missable side quest you find out he died pathetically like a b***h to some grunts. He was never meant to be a big deal in FF7 and the original writers realized there was no need to make him one. Cloud has the perfect hero's journey and character development in 7, playing up Zack as some larger character disturbs that delicate balance.
Literally repeating what I just said, but with more fluff. You think you're smarter when you say it instead?
NTA but shut up you stupid c**t
NTA but Sage.
you think your thought was original and not the same slop take on Zack that tens of thousands of others that prefer the original haven't already shared?
you think posting Kefka makes you come across as intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor?
Frick outta here
>sequel content not made by people who worked on the original game and only randomly made to cash in on the original's popularity
>"why is the quality so low"
hmm
Only original PSX Final Fantasy VII canon matters. All the sequels, remakes, spin-offs are just fan fiction that can be safely ignored.
>he wasn't supposed to be that important, why did they make him into the glue that binds the compilation of ff7 together?
I blame anime really. Most of the spinoffs have that generic 00s+ anime writing to it. Frankly, I'm surprised we havent gotten a ff7 school game where you get to go to soldier school and learn about materia.
I would love that. Maybe you could romance Miss Scarlet.
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_The_First_Soldier
....hey member that time there was a ff7 battle royale where you could play as zoomers in a VR Midgar set years before FF7?
Habeeb it or not, generic high school harem romcom anime have been a thing since at least the late 70s and every FF game ever has been influenced by anime.
I don't see how anime is somehow to blame for the bastardizations of FFVII.
>I don't see how anime is somehow to blame for the bastardizations of FFVII.
maybe try? Ponder it just a bit?
It is one thing when a game copies obviously related anime. Like a jrpg copying fantasy and scifi series.
Its another when they copy the tropes of completely unrelated franchises. school anime being old has nothing to do with the idea of it being laughable if FF7 copied it.
And like I said, thats the problem with a lot of the FF7 spin offs. They copy unrelated animes lazily and inappropriately. They just start bolting on tropes from other series.
It feels like you are watching a bad DBZ or Bleach copy and that was never what FF7 was about. I guess maybe its cool if you are coming to FF7 straight from some shonen anime, but that was not the world of ff7 originally.
I actually dislike shounen anime but love FF7.
I haven't experienced any FF7 other than the original and the remake which I didn't even finish (I've beaten the original 2x since lol), so it doesn't bother me either way.
As an aside, are you the Irvine guy?
>I actually dislike shounen anime but love FF7.
>I haven't experienced any FF7 other than the original
then what are you defending?
All the post game content is packed with stupid shounen shit that wasn't in the original game
As an aside, reviewing some of this stuff again, they really should just stop making movies of anything. They can't do motion capture for shit and they can't frame a shot to save their life.
*blocks your path*
god that shit was bad too
>that was never what FF7 was about
Correct but that's what a lot of people seem to like FF7 for. The dumb anime fights between Cloud and Sephiroth seem to get more fans going than anything else, so Square doubles down on it.
>Correct but that's what a lot of people seem to like FF7 for.
No one liked FF7 for shounen crap. Because for the most part it did not have it.
Its pure dumb luck that DBZ got popular in 98 on toonami and fans of that series, and then other shounen's like bleach seem to like for that shit to be added to FF7
FF7 is also blatantly a product of evangelion-ized 90s Japan.
Going back to cartoony heroism is less about shonen battle shit than Eva wearing off and no one wanting to see sad b***h protagonists again
>Going back to cartoony heroism is less about shonen battle shit than Eva wearing off and no one wanting to see sad b***h protagonists again
dude, its very shonen. A lot of the new characters that are not in the original look like bleach characters. The way they jump around and knock each other into concrete and not even get hurt. The bad writing.
You're right though, FF7 is probably only serious because of the success of EVA, much like the time travel of Chrono trigger and Sonic CD comes from back to the future and Terminator.
>You're right though, FF7 is probably only serious because of the success of EVA, much like the time travel of Chrono trigger and Sonic CD comes from back to the future and Terminator.
Agreed with this facetious comment.
I'm such a normie-tier autist. FF7 is my fav game, Eva my fav anime.
The only possible connection I could see to Eva was the "in cloud's mind" segment, but it's not like Eva was the first to use a psychedelic sequence of introspection to bring change to a character. I don't know how that anon thinks there's any influence.
>facetious
I thought he was being serious. In fact I was half-way agreeing with him, trying to see some possible connections. For example Evangelion's tone is dark and serious. FF7's tone is dark and serious. Xenogears is said to may have been considered to become FF7. Xenogears and Evangelion have many themes in commong. Evangelion throws around many Kabbalistic symbols and names for no apparent reason other than they sound cool. The villain of FF7 is called Sephiroth for no apparent reason. Evangelion's villains are angels. Sephiroth is a "one-winged" angel. Evangelion's angels are mutant-like aliens. Genova is a mutant-like alien...
I don't know about Back to the Future and Terminator though.
Yeah I was being serious about Evangelion zeitgeist being a major influence on ff7, I think it's so obvious I don't want to belabor the point honestly
It's very obvious that FF7 is clearly influenced by Evangelion, surprised that it doesn't get brought up more often.
What? I totally see Eva in Xenogears. But FF7? I think that's a stretch. I guess Jenova is sort of like Lilith, but ehhh.
>But FF7? I think that's a stretch. I guess Jenova is sort of like Lilith, but ehhh.
Well...if you really want to get technical about it, FF7 is just a mixture of FF6 and Chrono trigger. Jenova is just lavos and the summons and arieth is just more espers.
I don't think FF7 is a carbon copy of EVA. Its more that they copied the template of EVA's success. EVA was a dark series anime that kind of deconstructed what it meant to be a hero...while making a lot of money off waifu bate. It encouraged games and anime to attempt the same. So Square took a risk and put out FF7 which was just a darker more serious mix of Chronotrigger and FF6, while arieth, tifa and yuffie were all cuties.
I am 100% convinced that the only people who hold VII in high regard were fricking 10 or something when they played it and are almost purely blinded by nostalgia goggles because its really not that good. Like not even remotely. Its a complete fricking mess. No one who has played it for the first time as an adult likes it for a reason.
Imagine getting filtered by FF7 like this, brutal self-own
>filtered
No i actually played through the whole game last year, i did all of the side content too. PC steam version mind you, didnt emulate the psx version, but still, its just really fricking bad. Let me ask you this: What do you like so much about it? Is it Cloud? He doesnt have a personality in the origonal so that doesnt make sense. Its only in the remake that they made him even say more than 20 lines before he has his schizo mindbreak meltdown
did you at least play the cleaned up version that tries to clean up the bad textures and patches in the higher def cut scenes from that dvd someone found in japan?
>I am 100% convinced that the only people who hold VII in high regard were fricking 10 or something when they played it and are almost purely blinded by nostalgia goggles because its really not that good. Like not even remotely. Its a complete fricking mess. No one who has played it for the first time as an adult likes it for a reason.
eh, yes and no.
I think it probably was the first jrpg for many true believers. Kids that had basic mario and sonic games before getting a playstation, then got ff7 when they saw the big advertising campaign.
Kids that had jrpgs on the nes, snes, genny and even sega cd were less impressed, though usually happy with FF7
Just ignore everything besides the original game. Expanded universes always lack creative consistency.
Such is the nature of sequels/prequels/extended universes.
>success leads to greed.
>greed leads to milking uninspired content from stories and characters that didn't need it for what they're worth
>shitty sequels/prequels ensue
>new content conflicts with already existing canon
>retconning and more uninspired content is produced to try to amend
>more awkwardness and contradictions arise necessitating more retconning
>old fans drop out, but franchise is too big to fail
>in doubt: reboot
Not so much in the plot, but in themes and atmosphere. Yeah, genetic manipulation, aliens that get confused with mystical kabbalistic beings and scientist playing god are all topics common in sci-fi. But the particular way in which are presented in FF7 is very EVA
That's how he was meant to be, a more important influence on the real Cloud than Sephiroth, a proud guy who died a humbling and pathetic death. OG Zack is the ONLY good representation of the character.
>Why did they (whatever the frick you said)
Because instead of making good new content they can only rip off the old
Oh shit, about to waltz into Schizo's boss room. This playthrough is heating-up.
Came in w/ no planning. lvl 35, 2.5x speed boost. Barely made it out w/ Yuffie. Fun fight.
best girl saves the day
Absolutely. I slightly prefer Tifa tbh in my older age but Yuffie is usually my strongest party member. I give her all the luck stuff and with dbl cut she goes hard.
that boss fricked me up for awhile on my first play through
was it because he was a schizo?
Nah I was just a dumbass kid who had no idea what he was doing I did not read the materia screen at all and mostly just relied on summons and hoping my materia would carry me.
Lol yeah I know how it is. I don't remember if I did it for 7 too, but for 8 I tried to push through every boss by spamming summons
Using summons in any FF game is lame.
Same, first played when I was 12 (now 34 lol), that fight almost made me quit the game as a kid.
I barely made it out today first try w/ just yuffie and 150 hp. It was awesome. He's got one of those finishing moves when he dies and I barely made it. 9/10 fight.
I wish the newer games had as much thought put into tying the gameplay and story together as OG FF7. Like how Cloud managed to catch Sephiroth off guard because he had First Strike Materia equipped, or Cait Sith forcing his way into the party while also having the Manipulate Materia. Even little things like Sephiroth’s stats being much higher than Cloud’s were in the flashback.
The Crisis Core Zack is so ultra cool thing is completely bullshit.
Cloud could only copy cat Zacks story part of the time in Sephiroths troops because Zack was a good SOLDIER but not a person everyone knows.
Now with CC Zack is literally slightly weaker than Sephiroth but still a uber hero.
how do folk (mostly dumb americans) say with absolute confidence that FF7 was not anime at all, did we play the same game, did we look at the same protag, did we forget who designed these characters????????
>how do folk say [...] with absolute that FF7 was not anime at all
Depends on what they mean when they say that.
I personally only ever heard an extremely biased e-celeb use the word, (anime) detaching the art style associated with it and instead, referring to the "weeb shit" IE.) Fanservice and tropes
Ironically enough, their favorite games are FF7 and Chrono Trigger.
This thread is cancer. Rebirth will be GOTY get the frick over it
facts
The “timelines” aren’t timelines btw