This, he also doesn't let you pass until you get it too, sadly moronic people like the weeb in OP are too stupid to realized that or have never played the game
Can someone please explain to me the psychological state of people who play willingly play videogames but don't want to actually have to play the game?
Because all I can imagine is that these people desperately need to feel accomplishment by proxy. Like they are so dogshit at life that they can only stave off suicide by seeing constant affirmations and praise in the form of borderline automatic digital entertainment.
Mobile games and MMOs literally allow you to pay a considerable amount of money to skip all the content and give you the rewards, and people do it often enough to make these companies hundreds of millions of dollars.
Imagine paying for a game, paying for in-game items, and then paying even more to not play that game.
Yeah that's why I can't quit mmos. I actually play the game and have fun, and laugh at the whales always buying premium currency and quitting a month or so afterwards because they get bored. It never ends. Always new whales that quit few days after they joined.
People aren't paying to skip content, they're paying for the gacha shit and to skip/speed up the boring "content," the braindead farming to max out their units. /vp/ is the only place I've ever seen anyone try to defend mindless grinding, probably because nobody else will take them seriously.
i mean i agree w/ this but we're talking about pokémon. turn based games are literally number crunching and "be higher level, press super effective button". if these people are at a 2/10 you're still at a 4/10 for playing at all.
Playing video games is just what kids are supposed to do to fit in these days, if you don't you're considered weird. So yes, they don't actually enjoy video games.
Pretty much. Before the participation reward system devized by the US education authorities there've been persons who were unable to function outside of a regimented routine. They're all but autistic in the neurological definition. Unlike autists they show signs of sociopathy and, surprisingly enough, demand freedom from alternatives. It's not that alternatives affect them personally it's the mere existence of 'another' is injurious to their perception of the world. They *need* others to be like them, unlike autists who see 'the other' as a magical fairy. Sociopaths are known to demand a block function.
there is literally nothing wrong with having block/filter functions on a website and you are not badass for willingly submitting yourself to reading stupid garbage bullshit
Read again. They demand a block function. They think it's necessary for life. If they can't block you they lose composure like an autist whose daily rites have been hindered.
>It's not that alternatives affect them personally it's the mere existence of 'another' is injurious to their perception of the world.
That explains alot why the Mons War continue to exist even though we have little going on nowadays (when compared to Pokemon).
>randomly hidden in a cave
Dude makes it sound like it's an open world game with a ton of random caves. The game is tiny, and Ice Path is literally in your way, you can't miss it.
>fricking 8298 people looked at the take and thought it was right
shit's dire bro, im shocked game freak trusted the fanbase enough to make an open world game
No one cares about facts or anything, they don't even play the games they talk about. If the current narrative is that johto is le bad = upvote johto le bad things. You could just make up shit on reddit/twitter and if it fits the narrative it'll gain traction. >it's just Pokemon fans that are this bad
No. The entire gaming social media sphere is like this. For example, recently the circlejerk decided that Baldur's Gate 3 is god's gift to mankind, so if you post anything negative about it like a lot of the combat systems ported from tabletop D&D not fitting a video game well or the fact that the game falls apart in Act 3, you'll get mass downvoted by people who never played the game, and who just say they like it because it's cool to like that game currently, normies decided that it is le good. You'll have to give a year or two so that "influencers" make 2 hour long video essays about how the game actually has flaws, before you can talk about those flaws in public without getting shouted down. And after those essays come out? You'll get accused of parroting them!
It's beyond infuriating, I'm completely blackpilled on online discussion.
It's been ages since I played HGSS, but since every HM in Platinum is forced on you or clearly signposted if you talk to NPC's, I'm guessing there is an NPC nearby who says there's an HM in the Ice Path.
And to think this is in response to himself saying a ladder blatantly painted a garish yellow in the REmake 4 DLC is good game design, only to say this in a version that doesn't even allow you to progress without it.
I now see why Unova has fewer dungeons than normal before post-game, let alone why they practically vanished from original games since X and Y; against all logic of game design and the human psyche alike, Game Freak was fricking right, these people are helpless, somehow still breathing against all odds.
>Unova has fewer dungeons than normal before post-game >Pinwheel Forest >Cold Storage >Chargestone Cave >Celestial Tower >Mistralton Cave >Twist Mountain >Dragonspiral Tower >Relic Castle >Victory Road
If anything it's a fairly normal offering, not counting things like Dreamyard, Wellspring Cave, Lostlorn Forest or N's Castle since those are kind of different (Dreamyard and Wellspring Cave are visited early but more accessible in post-game). And this is also not mentioning the size of the dungeons, Victory Road is massive.
Kanto has: >Viridian Forest >SS Anne >Rock Tunnel >Rocket Hideout >Silph Co. >Power Plant >Seafoam Islands >Pokémon Mansion >Victory Road
Which I'd uphold as a good standard for dungeon quantity and quality, excluding Diglett's Cave.
Kalos does have less dungeons when you include post-game, but in the main game it's also at a normal amount: >Santalune Forest >Connecting Cave >Glittering Cave >Reflection Cave >Poké Ball Factory >Frost Cavern >Lost Hotel >Kalos Power Plant >Route 20 >Victory Road
Obviously one of these is a copypaste of a Gen 1 dungeon and the quality/length might be lower, but it's inaccurate to say they've practically vanished, most of these are standard quality dungeons.
Well shit, Kalos had more than I remember.
I could only recall the Poke Ball Factory, Reflection Cave and Route 20 (also I guess Santalune Forest and Victory Road counts), as well as Terminus Cave as one of the only Post-game things. Guess stuff like Glittering Cave and Frost Cavern aren't too memorable is all, that entirely missed me.
Also I've never even heard of the Lost Hotel, the frick is that?
I was one of those people.... I was stuck for months because I didn't know I was supposed to climb Coronet to fight Cyrus. I think I saved after the dialogue that tells you to go up there and I eventually forgot. Thankfully, I discovered online guides and finished the game.
No but I will always specifically remember that obnoxious Clefable + other pink shit mon double battle before Ecruteak City. 100% Frick whoever decided to add them
He outs himself as homosexual not playing games, duh.
That dungeon with ice sliding puzzles? That's Ice Path, you need to get through it to progress through game. And unless you're a homosexual with guide blasting through shortest route, YOU WILL stumble upon pokeball containing Waterfall.
It's baffling and ridiculous. This Black person is not playing games and complaining about them.
i missed it as a kid. it's in a little drop down that's obviously the wrong way. it's objectively bad/weird design to make a key progression item have the same appearance as a random great ball. but it's also who cares.
>people still pretending johto threads are discord "attacks" and not just bait to turn johto fans against other regions
Not that you really need help to start genwars but at least don't sit there and pat yourself on the back for "outsmarting" the raiders while you fall for it
>and not just bait to turn johto fans against other regions
I'm already well aware of that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop lambasting Hoenngays
God, we need a WWIII badly. In HGSS, there is literally an NPC right next to the puzzle who doesn't let you past until you get it. In GSC you can just skip it without knowing any better. Bunch of whiny homosexuals, I swear.
BW would be a better example as the HM for strength is hidden behind a random NPC in Nimbasa City. It's not necessary to beat the game, but you will run into problems if you're trying to catch everything because of it.
The game gives you enough hints. People today just expect games to hand them absolutely everything, and game devs do so because they know people are going to look for the solution on YouTube if they can't figure it out in 3 seconds.
No you just have skill issues to be that bad at pokemon games
A npc says you need the HM.
This, he also doesn't let you pass until you get it too, sadly moronic people like the weeb in OP are too stupid to realized that or have never played the game
It is sharty or discord troons, they have secretly made an alliance. All is lost now.
Can someone please explain to me the psychological state of people who play willingly play videogames but don't want to actually have to play the game?
Because all I can imagine is that these people desperately need to feel accomplishment by proxy. Like they are so dogshit at life that they can only stave off suicide by seeing constant affirmations and praise in the form of borderline automatic digital entertainment.
Mobile games and MMOs literally allow you to pay a considerable amount of money to skip all the content and give you the rewards, and people do it often enough to make these companies hundreds of millions of dollars.
Imagine paying for a game, paying for in-game items, and then paying even more to not play that game.
Yeah that's why I can't quit mmos. I actually play the game and have fun, and laugh at the whales always buying premium currency and quitting a month or so afterwards because they get bored. It never ends. Always new whales that quit few days after they joined.
People aren't paying to skip content, they're paying for the gacha shit and to skip/speed up the boring "content," the braindead farming to max out their units. /vp/ is the only place I've ever seen anyone try to defend mindless grinding, probably because nobody else will take them seriously.
Same types of people who whine about not getting participation trophies after getting booty blasted in online games
i mean i agree w/ this but we're talking about pokémon. turn based games are literally number crunching and "be higher level, press super effective button". if these people are at a 2/10 you're still at a 4/10 for playing at all.
Playing video games is just what kids are supposed to do to fit in these days, if you don't you're considered weird. So yes, they don't actually enjoy video games.
Pretty much. Before the participation reward system devized by the US education authorities there've been persons who were unable to function outside of a regimented routine. They're all but autistic in the neurological definition. Unlike autists they show signs of sociopathy and, surprisingly enough, demand freedom from alternatives. It's not that alternatives affect them personally it's the mere existence of 'another' is injurious to their perception of the world. They *need* others to be like them, unlike autists who see 'the other' as a magical fairy. Sociopaths are known to demand a block function.
there is literally nothing wrong with having block/filter functions on a website and you are not badass for willingly submitting yourself to reading stupid garbage bullshit
Read again. They demand a block function. They think it's necessary for life. If they can't block you they lose composure like an autist whose daily rites have been hindered.
>It's not that alternatives affect them personally it's the mere existence of 'another' is injurious to their perception of the world.
That explains alot why the Mons War continue to exist even though we have little going on nowadays (when compared to Pokemon).
>randomly hidden in a cave
Dude makes it sound like it's an open world game with a ton of random caves. The game is tiny, and Ice Path is literally in your way, you can't miss it.
People like this are why the games keep getting dumbed down.
discord thread
you can tell because three or four HGSS hate threads pop up, all at the same time. If that's not astroturfing, then the term is meaningless.
In the remake you are forced to take it by an npc what is this guy talking about?
>fricking 8298 people looked at the take and thought it was right
shit's dire bro, im shocked game freak trusted the fanbase enough to make an open world game
No one cares about facts or anything, they don't even play the games they talk about. If the current narrative is that johto is le bad = upvote johto le bad things. You could just make up shit on reddit/twitter and if it fits the narrative it'll gain traction.
>it's just Pokemon fans that are this bad
No. The entire gaming social media sphere is like this. For example, recently the circlejerk decided that Baldur's Gate 3 is god's gift to mankind, so if you post anything negative about it like a lot of the combat systems ported from tabletop D&D not fitting a video game well or the fact that the game falls apart in Act 3, you'll get mass downvoted by people who never played the game, and who just say they like it because it's cool to like that game currently, normies decided that it is le good. You'll have to give a year or two so that "influencers" make 2 hour long video essays about how the game actually has flaws, before you can talk about those flaws in public without getting shouted down. And after those essays come out? You'll get accused of parroting them!
It's beyond infuriating, I'm completely blackpilled on online discussion.
It's been ages since I played HGSS, but since every HM in Platinum is forced on you or clearly signposted if you talk to NPC's, I'm guessing there is an NPC nearby who says there's an HM in the Ice Path.
If it is then the difficulty curve is fricked up, because back in the day i dropped that game because it was too easy
In HGSS this NPC literally does not let you progress until you get the HM
>t. moron that doesn't see the item or talk to the NPC
You literally can't pass this area unless you grab the HM in HGSS. Twitter is such a shithole full of dirty leftist liars.
yet another reason to hate HGSS more than the originals.
HGSS was made for these idiots.
And to think this is in response to himself saying a ladder blatantly painted a garish yellow in the REmake 4 DLC is good game design, only to say this in a version that doesn't even allow you to progress without it.
I now see why Unova has fewer dungeons than normal before post-game, let alone why they practically vanished from original games since X and Y; against all logic of game design and the human psyche alike, Game Freak was fricking right, these people are helpless, somehow still breathing against all odds.
It's truly painful, isn't it? Knowing mainline Pokemon will never improve because of troglodytes that probably have to be reminded to breathe.
>Unova has fewer dungeons than normal before post-game
>Pinwheel Forest
>Cold Storage
>Chargestone Cave
>Celestial Tower
>Mistralton Cave
>Twist Mountain
>Dragonspiral Tower
>Relic Castle
>Victory Road
If anything it's a fairly normal offering, not counting things like Dreamyard, Wellspring Cave, Lostlorn Forest or N's Castle since those are kind of different (Dreamyard and Wellspring Cave are visited early but more accessible in post-game). And this is also not mentioning the size of the dungeons, Victory Road is massive.
Kanto has:
>Viridian Forest
>SS Anne
>Rock Tunnel
>Rocket Hideout
>Silph Co.
>Power Plant
>Seafoam Islands
>Pokémon Mansion
>Victory Road
Which I'd uphold as a good standard for dungeon quantity and quality, excluding Diglett's Cave.
Kalos does have less dungeons when you include post-game, but in the main game it's also at a normal amount:
>Santalune Forest
>Connecting Cave
>Glittering Cave
>Reflection Cave
>Poké Ball Factory
>Frost Cavern
>Lost Hotel
>Kalos Power Plant
>Route 20
>Victory Road
Obviously one of these is a copypaste of a Gen 1 dungeon and the quality/length might be lower, but it's inaccurate to say they've practically vanished, most of these are standard quality dungeons.
>Wellspring Cave
You don't need to wait until post-game to explore it. Since Mistralton Cave is entirely optional, that should count too.
Isn't there an NPC blocking the lower floor? It's been a while.
Well shit, Kalos had more than I remember.
I could only recall the Poke Ball Factory, Reflection Cave and Route 20 (also I guess Santalune Forest and Victory Road counts), as well as Terminus Cave as one of the only Post-game things. Guess stuff like Glittering Cave and Frost Cavern aren't too memorable is all, that entirely missed me.
Also I've never even heard of the Lost Hotel, the frick is that?
optional shit to get a super secret roller move after you get all the other moves
Kalos is more like an outline of an expansive game. It has a lot of locations that would be cool but they end up being small and underwhelming
>they practically vanished from original games since X and Y
an XY detractor? being a disingenuous liar? say it aint so!
X and Y are bad video games
Not really. They're way too easy, but they're still fun
X and y are entertaining and fun
The world doesn't need to be difficult always
Masuda did say kids were getting stuck in Gen 4…
I was one of those people.... I was stuck for months because I didn't know I was supposed to climb Coronet to fight Cyrus. I think I saved after the dialogue that tells you to go up there and I eventually forgot. Thankfully, I discovered online guides and finished the game.
Thank you for your honesty, I always wondered whether Sinnoh actually filtered kids or not
I dont think its kids getting filtered, but braindead 30+ basedboys
Why the frick are there TWO threads about a fricking TWITTER POST
>hidden
isn't it the second ice "puzzle" on the first floor directly after the first "puzzle"?
No but I will always specifically remember that obnoxious Clefable + other pink shit mon double battle before Ecruteak City. 100% Frick whoever decided to add them
Just use special attacks homie
He outs himself as homosexual not playing games, duh.
That dungeon with ice sliding puzzles? That's Ice Path, you need to get through it to progress through game. And unless you're a homosexual with guide blasting through shortest route, YOU WILL stumble upon pokeball containing Waterfall.
It's baffling and ridiculous. This Black person is not playing games and complaining about them.
i missed it as a kid. it's in a little drop down that's obviously the wrong way. it's objectively bad/weird design to make a key progression item have the same appearance as a random great ball. but it's also who cares.
This isnt being bad at games
This isnt having a low tolerence for logic puzzles
This isnt even being unable to read
This willful and decptive ignorance
Skill issue
The grinding was hard than the average poggyman during their prime
>people still pretending johto threads are discord "attacks" and not just bait to turn johto fans against other regions
Not that you really need help to start genwars but at least don't sit there and pat yourself on the back for "outsmarting" the raiders while you fall for it
>and not just bait to turn johto fans against other regions
I'm already well aware of that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop lambasting Hoenngays
As a kid playing these games for the first time I naturally wanted to pick up items I found across the world
God, we need a WWIII badly. In HGSS, there is literally an NPC right next to the puzzle who doesn't let you past until you get it. In GSC you can just skip it without knowing any better. Bunch of whiny homosexuals, I swear.
BW would be a better example as the HM for strength is hidden behind a random NPC in Nimbasa City. It's not necessary to beat the game, but you will run into problems if you're trying to catch everything because of it.
The game gives you enough hints. People today just expect games to hand them absolutely everything, and game devs do so because they know people are going to look for the solution on YouTube if they can't figure it out in 3 seconds.
If you're moronic, sure.
Really amusing how anons of all people pretend to be the voice of reason while posting on this site.
>Was pokemon HGSS too hard?
no