Pokémon gets a lot of hate around here, with many claiming that the games were never good. Those of you who think that: is there ANYTHING good about Pokémon at all? The concept? The world? The music?
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Yup, with gold and silver. And again with the remakes
Based. Johto supremacy.
Johto's legacy will be completed when Legends: Celebi comes out, but GAME FREAK must be extremely cautious and put all their heart and soul into the game.
Pokemon was always a franchise powered by sheer marketing. The games were ok for what they were, Gen 1 and 2 were pretty standard for the platforms they were in, then up until Black/White none of the games were amazing but none were particularly bad either. Kinda lame how every game was basically the same as the previous one in a different map, but who cares, they're baby's first turn based RPG.
And then GF just gave up when it turned full 3D
>GAME FREAK must be extremely cautious and put all their heart and soul into the game.
funny how you assume Game Freak can make a good game at all.
>funny how you assume Game Freak can make a good game at all.
To be fair, Arceus was a good game. If they expand the concept and add actual observation beyond just catching, feeding and using moves sonot doesn't feel as grindy and add more pokemon it'd be one of he best pokemon games to date.
also use a pokemon game that would have different aesthetics and a more interesting story than Johto
You know what? Based. I was always one of those "Johto has a bad level curve and is overrated" people but now that I'm going back to replay and complete my collection for good along with the fact that I'm almost done with Platinum, I look forward to giving SoulSilver another go. I used to fricking adore it back in middle school but I've played it so many times that the magic has worn off much worse than everything else. Anyone here have any insights or tips on how to truly appreciate it or spice up your journey?
Regardless of what you say to me, post your team. For me
>Meganium
>Slowbro
>Porygon 2
>Marowak
>Dragonite
>Blastoise
Play crystal clear
Holy frick, do you legit not have a life? You are in every Johto thread on /vp/ and Ganker to shill your shitty gay troony Black person ROM hack. have a nice day.
>Anyone here have any insights or tips on how to truly appreciate it or spice up your journey?
For HGSS you can try transferring pokemon from Platinum if you could. You can get Houndour, Gligar, and Sneasel a lot earlier. You can get a Lucky Egg from Platinum too a lot easier than you think. Just put the Thief TM on a Yanma with Compound Eyes, and keep using Thief on wild Chanseys until you get one. Don't evolve the Yanma, Yanmega doesn't have Compound Eyes.
My current HGSS team is:
>Typhlosion
>Heracross
>Ampharos
>Togetic
>Poliwhirl
>GIrafarig
Felt like going for something more typical. I'm doing a lot of breeding and transferring with PKSM though. I have a Grovyle as well and was breeding some Tyrogue.
You might like my ROM hack: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17T6_QQAX1yyo4LHbaxI4LO_2qeGpYRXN
But I still need to put out a small update.
>Anyone here have any insights or tips on how to truly appreciate it or spice up your journey?
Since you say you were already familiar with the game, you probably already known this but
>Keep up with daily events
>Make sure to backtrack to previous routes after you get HMs like surf and strength.
>After gym 4, you can face the next 3 gyms in any order.
>In Violet City, a guy named Primo will give a egg if you use the right codes base on your Trainer ID. Use this site
>https://www.pokewiki.de/Spezial:Geheimcode-Generator?uselang=en
>If you do Jasmine's quest you can do the safari zone which let's you get Gen 2 mons like Larvitar and Murkrow earlier.
>The only gen 4 evos available before post game are Yanmega, Ambipom, Lickilicky, Lickilicky, and Mamoswine.
The gen 2 remakes made some design decision that I dislike but overrall the johto games are design to be slow-paced compared to the other mainline games but encourages you to backtrack and explored each area and do daily events. Take your time and try to enjoy the setting.
By the way what mons are you planning on using?
I'll definitely keep that in mind. My biggest mistake was zooming through everything as fast as possible in a rush to complete my collection but since the rest of the good games are now beaten, SoulSilver will be a sort of "final chapter" where I do things right this time before I move on into the shit era being gen 6 and onward. Also I had no idea about some of those things like the egg guy in violet city. Thanks for that.
You've got good taste in Pokémon. Not crazy about all of them but who couldn't love Nidoking, Ampharos, Politoad, Heracross, and Espeon?
Also thank you all as well for your recommendations and replies Johto chads.
Oh right. I haven't replayed HGSS yet but I am playing through gen 2 right now.
>In Crystal
>Typhlosion
>Pidgeot
>Nidoking
>Umbreon
>Ampharos
>Politoed
>In Gold
>Typhlosion
>Crobat
>Golem
>Heracross
>Lanturn
>Espeon
I'm thinking of replacing Golem but not sure of what yet.
play it on pokemmo sometime in the next few months, they've got Johto finally coming out after all these years
I don't waste my time with developers that dripfeed morons for over a fricking decade. Release the finished game or frick off.
its like two guys i'm pretty sure and they've been balancing the game pretty well to make it like an MMO
I have more of an issue with the inherent p2w nature of shinies, the shiny rate is 1/30k base in pokemmo and you can get various buyable bonuses to lower it to like 1/15k or something I think, and granted you can buy all those things in the in game auction house too, but it still feels shitty knowing the guys constantly pulling shinies are donating huge amounts to keep the bonuses on at all times
>DOGWATERium
>CHADbro
>Porygon 2
>Marowak
>Dragonite
>CHADoise
Looking forward to my HGSS playthrough, lookin to be fun
My HGSS team isn't complete yet, but:
>Quilava
>Golbat
>Quagsire
>Flaaffy
I plan on maxing out my Golbat's friendship to get a Crobat, catching a Scyther in the Bug Catching contest to eventually evolve into a Scizor, and last but not least, a Larvitar which I'll eventually fully evolve into a Tyranitar.
>catching a Scyther in the Bug Catching contest to eventually evolve into a Scizor, and last but not least, a Larvitar which I'll eventually fully evolve into a Tyranitar.
Heracross is honestly better than Scizor, especially if you Scizor doesn't have technician. As for larvitar, if you can wrap your head around the HGSS safari zone, you can get it much earlier than Mt. Silver
I actually used Heracross in a previous hgss save file I had a while back, and while I honestly prefer Heracross over Scizor, I decided to go with Scizor this time just to switch it up a bit since I never used Scizor. Also, the Johto Safari Zone is actually how I got my Larvitar last time. Glad they made it available earlier, unlike in gsc where it was only available at the very tail end of the game right before Red.
>Anyone here have any insights or tips on how to truly appreciate it or spice up your journey?
The level curve is fine if you get a full team
Don't grind unless you replace one of your Pokemon, being underleveled is part of the game.
People who cry about the non-existent difficulty of the games and then grind for hours in GS to have equal levels to the Kanto champions or Red are stupid homosexuals
I don't remember my last team
>People who cry about the non-existent difficulty of the games and then grind for hours in GS to have equal levels to the Kanto champions or Red are stupid homosexuals
You are the biggest homosexual of them all. Why would you need to grind to the level of Kanto champions when blue is barely 10 levels higher than Lance? Frick off with your dogshit game.
Because you don't get these 10 levels for a full team by beating Kanto trainers, especially if you were already underleveled for Lance (which you should have been)
Are you being moronic on purpose? Blue is the 8th Kanto gym leader, the rest of the gyms are underwhelming and underleveled but they will bridge those 10 levels just fine. Absolute dumbasses. Also Lugia/Ho-oh are at lv70 at this point in time so you'll have no trouble at all blowing through the game even Red if you really want to.
It would be overkill for a bunch of gym leaders that are lower level than Lance, but you could do it.
Because ten end game levels don't come too fast when you go straight from lance to blue you fricking moron.
>The level curve is fine if you get a full team
That only exacerbates the issue though.
>or Red
Red is piss easy, the problem is that you have to grind up to at least level 60 or you're just going to get taken out by the sheer stat difference.
But the problem is that Gen 2 has nowhere to train that wouldn't take forever.
I have Johto wienersuckers. Your game is shit and will forever be shit no matter how many times you remake it. You will never fix it's fundamental flaws because the game has to pad it's content through 2 regions one which is fairly empty and devoid of anything to do.
You try replaying it. You can beat the E4 in Johto in less than a day without emulation acceleration. Even making restrictions won't stop you from stomping this mid underwhelming game to the ground because almost everything in Johto is optional for you to track to and unlike Kanto backtracking doesn't actually reward you with anything of substance.
Garbage fricking game. I will never understand Johto's appeal. Just play Kanto.
We get it underage B/W was your first. Sorry you'll never experience Pokemon in it's heyday
Gen 1 was my first, sorry if it upsets you that BW are objectively better games than Gen 2. Maybe once you get over the fact that you're not a child anymore you can come to appreciate it without nostalgia goggles on.
>boasts about using emulator acceleration
>is too moronic to mod his game to customize his 'padding' or adding content
lol
lmao, go back to Alola or some other Black person shit
Gen2 the devil may cry 2 of pokemon
this is the stupidest analogy I've ever heard
He's not wrong though.
Except it's widely lauded as an improvement on Gen 1 and a classic, one of the greatest JRPGs ever made, whereas DMC2 is widely lauded as shit
>Except it's widely lauded as an improvement on Gen 1
Just because people say it doesn't mean it is. It just means that there's a nostalgia bias.
>giant empty maps
>blatant pandering to players of the first game
>sloppy unfinished and atrociously balanced
>2 campaigns with the 2nd being the worse
Dmc2 and gen2 are very alike, gen2 gets away with it because nostalgia boners and Red being a notable super boss. Examine any single detail of gen2 and you see festering shit game design
>calls post-game area a campaign
moronism
he is wrong, it's literally the game the creators wanted to make the first time around but couldn't. all you gays ever have to go on is the lack of johto pokemon being used in gyms as if the point wasn't to make a better "gen 1" in general.
>it's literally the game the creators wanted to make the first time around but couldn't.
It isn't though, it was an incredibly rushed game that had to be delayed because they were such frick ups.
>all you gays ever have to go on is the lack of johto pokemon being used in gyms as if the point wasn't to make a better "gen 1" in general.
Well that and the other criticisms you people ignore but hey, who cares right?
Also, in what way is it a "better gen 1" if they failed to do what gen 1 did?
>"Better gen 1"
>Movesets all over the place
>"Dude phone numbers to get evolution items lmao"
>Kanto is just stripped down
>Kanto gyms are underwhelming and underlevelled for the most part (Blue being the ONE and ONLY exception)
>Cannot get the birds
>Cannot get Mewtwo
>There is literally nothing to do in Kanto
Good god at least HGSS made some effort to bandage this shit but christ Gen 2 is just lackluster and embarassing. Why would I not play Yellow instead? Not even Johto gives a shit about Johtomons so why would I?
get the birds
get Mewtwo
YEAH BECAUSE RED OWNS THEM YOU FRICKING CUMGUZZLING PELICAN BRAINED MORON
YOU SHOULD UNIRONICALLY
JUMP OFF A CLIFF FOR YOUR SINS
>red owns them
i can't believe red nuked the entire cerulean cave
>YEAH BECAUSE RED OWNS THEM YOU FRICKING CUMGUZZLING PELICAN BRAINED MORON
>Doesn't use them
>Has an Espeon
Unoptimized gameplan he's not even using a Kanto team
He doesnt use them because he just thinks its lame to use epic pokemon bro ok u just gotta trust the epseon
Brock fricking rocked me, but after that, I flew right through the rest.
Gen 1, 2 and 3 were good. Then Gen 4 was the redflag. And it has been shit since Gen 5.
gen 5 2 was better than the first go around imo, agree on the rest
Pokemon was and still is good for autistic children.
GS had the most soul. DPP probably had the best music. But I've played RBE the most
I think Pokemon is still wildly unexplored. You have these beings of power and the best you can do is make cartoony villains that get beat in a simple battle? What happened to all the people in the world? Why do 10 year olds get employed by professors to journey the world in search of Pokemon? Elaborate on the past, the war, the origins of Pokemon as beings. Make the gameplay more action oriented. The music was always good in Pokemon, so no need to change anything there.
"Pokemon was never good" is an idiotic take that comes from disgruntled Pokemon fans who finally played another videogame and now thinks the entire franchise must be destroyed. It is just as bad as buying the latest Pokemon game just because it's Pokemon without carefully analyzing it first.
I wouldn't say "Pokemon was never good" but rather "Pokemon was never great."
It's average at best, and there are some fundamental elements with the battle system that need changing as it's too boring.
That said, Gen 5 is peak Pokemon, and Nuzlockes/Romhacks/Fangames do a lot to thoroughly tap into the potential of the franchise.
That aside, people need to realize that the Pokemon games aren't the spine of the franchise, but rather a small, insignificant, fraction. They're moreso an excuse to churn out 100 new mons every couple years. The actual quality of the games is irrelevant, what matters is that it's marketable toward the next generation of kids.
It really was never good. The old games suffer a lot from an ugly artstyle and crappy glitches, while the new ones are just soulless (and glitchy) cash grabs. You're a deluded moron if you think otherwise.
If you think gen 1's glitches detract from the experience in any way then you have never actually played a gen 1 pokemon game. Your "criticism" of the newer games is just the buzzword soulless, glitchy only applies to SV. The deluded moron is you.
Having monsters from twenty years ago still playable in modern games is incredible. Better yet if they're mons from your friends or friends' friends. The trading and migrating mechanisms made for a metagame that won't ever be replicated again, though blockchain nerds are trying.
And as it happens, that was the core concept. Everything else ranges from neutral to abysmal.
Pokemon was a top tier franchise in the 2000s. After 2010 it went downhill every year and now it is certified slop. It sucks because the concept is so good and Nintendo could fire gamefreak and let Monolith soft take the reigns and make an awesome game. Look at Pokemon Colosseum it has amazing music and animations and it is a gamecube game. Combat system is fine, we just need a serious themed game again with a large world. Gamefreak is the problem.
Gen 1 and 2 are objectively good. Afterwards not really.
should i bin my starter bros
>Frlg
Holy based
Also pizza boy is a better emulator
I believe you
I just don't care for these starters. I'm picking this one to be a hm slave I think it learns strength and surf. I don't want a random shitmon so I'm not doing that but I'm catching a new starter ASAP.
forgot image
>HM slave for the two only HMs that are good in combat
>Water type when there are tons of cool water types you probably never used before in Kanto
Starters are cheating, you didn't beat the game if you use them. Bin them and start with level 2 shit tier pokemon
>is there ANYTHING good about Pokémon at all?
I'd say yes. There probably is something that everybody can enjoy. However, things have been changing over the generations and so a lot of the things that people enjoyed are now in the past games. I've heard different people like different things about the Pokemon series, so it isn't too surprising that a lot of people had (some game other than current gen) as their favorite.
I personally liked the exploration. I liked being able to frick off in whatever direction I wanted and deal with what I ran into. I liked finding and catching random stuff I ran across. The best generations for me were Gen 1 and Gen 3. There was less fricking about in Gen 3 but more other things I enjoyed, like collecting and planting berries to harvest tons of useful items.
Later gens just dropped off for me. They were fairly linear and led you around by the nose, and past Gen 5 got really handholdy. I just stopped playing the games shortly after that. Perhaps Gen 9 would interest me, but I don't have a Switch and I have better things to do than Pokemon, so I'm probably going to just stop at that. Alpha Sapphire can just be the last Pokemon game I play.
Go ahead. There are plenty of water types around. You even get a free Lapras. Although if you don't want to use a water type, it can use Strength and Surf to get you around. Although Krabby and Kingler will learn Cut/Strength/Surf for a more useful HM slave.
I agree, the exploration was nice. Gen 3 felt like the biggest to me with all the focus on surfing and stuf, really made the world feel massive.
Gamefreak needs to look into opinions like this and try to recreate what people liked in the newest hardware. More optional paths to reach your destination, big open areas.
>More optional paths to reach your destination, big open areas.
careful what you ask for
I'll probably grab Krabby for cut/strength. I want Omastar in my end team for sure so I'll have surf. Might keep Mankey, Pikachu is just there because I found one.
Raticate, Sandshrew, and the Nidorans can also learn Cut/Strength if you want to catch something other than a Krabby for that. Although you'll need something to Surf over to Cinnabar where you can revive the fossil anyway, so Krabby might still be better to grab for utility.
More animation. There was a lot less game in them, so they could focus more on the pokemon moving around when brought in/knocked out.
Also, remember that the Pokemon Stadium we got was actually the second Stadium game. The first one was Japan-only, and didn't even have all the pokemon in that one. It's not a surprise that they had more time when it was the second game released with those animations.
> Perhaps Gen 9 would interest me
The game baits you with it, but levels don't scale so it's incredibly easy to end up outleveling content
How do you play pokemon on an emulator? Aren't you sad knowing your pokemon are forever stuck on a save file, doomed to never follow you to future games? Or is there a way you guys illegally trade or hack them into pokemon bank or home that I don't know of? I quit my pokemon emerald playthrough early on because I didn't like the idea of having my Pokémon stuck on an emulator save file.
I don't really care. I own a 3DS I mostly use to play Etrian Odyssey.
> Aren't you sad knowing your pokemon are forever stuck on a save file,
Bruh that applies to playing the games on their original hardware. You can't trade shit form anything pre-switch days now that the 3ds store is closed and you can't download home.
I already have pokemon home, and you can still trade as far as I know. The DS games run on 3ds so the only really affected games are the GBA and earlier titles, which isn't what anon is emulating.
>and you can't download home.
Bank anon.
And honestly, that's on you if you didn't download it.
i'm a late 80s birth who played from gen i-vi all on release day and it was good until gen v
Before the Switch? Yes.
>the concept
it's like any class-based RPG but with very poor execution. too many 'mons and not enough depth. like the cast of an FF game but with even more filler characters and even more generic skill systems.
>the music
the only good music is from the anime, which was based on the red/blue OST but the actual game version sounded exactly like you would expect from game boy shit
pkmn has more depth than any of the final fantasies save for 5 or 7. Problem is the single player campaign never requires you to dig deeper
The whole customizable monster party concept is a good idea, it's just that the games are for four-year-olds. There are alternatives that take the concept in their own direction.
In 1996:
-Modern setting
-1:1 overworld
-Contextual random encounters
-151 party members
-15 elemental types
-PvP and co-op
-Handheld
-Predates FF7
-Becomes global phenomenon
Zombie pokemon is one thing but it fully deserved the credit in its first few years, there's no discussion about it
Yes
But it was not meant to be
Hoenn was absolute kino
Gen 5, 2 and 3 were good.
Red blue and yellow are good
gen 4 was the best in terms of world building and was the only game with actual challenge, Gen 2 is max comfy
It has my favorite battle system in any rpg ever. The ROMHacks bring out its full potential, but even the classic ones showed it in PvP or hard fights when you're underleveled.
The 20 types or so with the possibility of dual typing and the interactions, along with mons being able to learn fixed movesets... It feels like a cosmos inside my brain, all the possibilities.
I wish we had this elemental chart in final fantasy or dragon quest, it's just so much fun.
The other thing it does right is the mons themselves, it fricking MURDERRAPES Digimon games in that aspect. Digimon ironically had the anime talking about "digidestined" and "strong bonds with your mon, powerful feelings that let them evolve" yet in the games the Digimon feel like disposable trash for the most part, devolving & evolving until reaching your desired Digimon you end up going through a dozen of Greymons or a hundred Patamons. The Digimon in most games simply don't feel unique.
In Pokemon you can catch limitless of the same species, yet they feel special because you only need 1. Once you catch your Modest Abra or Timid Ghastly, that's the one you'll have for the rest of the game. You'll level it all the way from lvl 10 to 82 or so and beat the Pokemon League with that same mon in your team, countless of battles and experiences with him.
Digimon doesn't have that, you never keep 'the same one' and max his potential; you do a lot of recycling.
The concept was always good and still is good. The music is also pretty consistently good.
Gens 1 and 2 I would say were definitely good games given they were made for the game boy. Gen 3 is where it started to be suspicious how little the gameplay was changing with each version. Personally I still enjoyed everything through gen 5 about the same, 6 and 7 much less but I still had fun. Gen 8 is the first one I was upset I paid for.
>the unovashill found the thread
wow it’s not even subtle
>say that Unova was "fairly linear and led you around by the nose"
If this is what you'd call a complement, then I'd hate to see what you consider valid criticism of the region.
I'm both for Johto and Unova. Both are great gens, and I grew up on Gold.
>I’m both for Johto and [opposite of Johto]
This coattail riding tactic you use doesn’t work.
Yeah the art style really took a nosedive when they stopped using robotically animated sprites that they couldn’t even scale correctly, right Unovashill?
We get it, you hate pokemon. Your bait is weak. Should've used a super-rod.
>you hate pokemon because you don’t like my lazy low effort sprites
>This coattail riding tactic you use doesn’t work.
Sure buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Unova is peak Pokemon.
Pokemania was the peak and nothing will ever reach that level of cultural dominance again. Setting the games aside, every fricking one talked about Pokemon, watched the show, collected the cards, and bought the merch. It brought people together and was the best part about the franchise.
Up until Black/White 2, yeah. As soon as X/Y released it was over for Pokemon.
gen 1/2/3/4 and 5 is where it starting stagnating, following its decline with X/Y.
Pokemon died when it went 3D. Even gen 5, which I'm mixed on, had some merits, but everything after it is just worthless mediocrity.
>is there ANYTHING good about Pokémon at all?
The core concept is good, catch monsters and evolve/trade/fight with other people.
The monster design has wide appeal since the start.
The world itself isn't that great but it's flexible enough you can be creative with it as the spin-offs show.
And at least for the niche of handhelds it was actually a decent thing to look foward to.
It was good. Arguably stale but good. Then when it went 3D the artstyle and pacing took a nosedive. Cutscenes would take forever, gameplay was even easier, and all this pointless padding like z-moves and terastal forms
3D graphics could be amazing but somehow the mainline games haven't even achieved the quality of the stadium games. Really sad.
I wonder how the frick can the Stadium games look better than what the Switch is putting out. Maybe it's because, proportionally, it took a lot more effort to create these 3D models and give them unique animations.
I dislike the weird 2.5D style newer anime games do. Yeah Stadium just looks so nice, it goes beyond the Pokemon, the whole VIBE was superior.
Felt like a sporting event with the narrator and night stadium illuminated by the flashes of your own mon's attacks.
>I wonder how the frick can the Stadium games look better than what the Switch is putting out
By being a delusional zoomer who never actually touched Pokemon Stadium.
soul
FireRed/LeafGreen were peak soul. Gold/silver were good too.
The first 4 generations had actual world/level design, the games effectively played like a top-down Metroidvania or Zelda game, where HMs would act as your upgrades/dungeon items that enable you to progress further to other parts of the world. They started to do away with that in gen 5 (where the world map was pretty much just a circle and you could only really go forwards or backwards). By the time we reached gen 7/8, you pretty much did nothing except walk to the next battle or cutscene.
They actually did something fresh with Arceus Legends and Scarlet/Violet, however they ended up being very unpolished because Game Freak still operates like a small indie studio despite being in charge of one of the highest grossing media franchise in the world. There's no reason why Pokemon games shouldn't get the same amount of budget and dev time as Zelda, but The Pokemon Company know that they'll still get very good sales from a half-baked product and consider polishing the game to be diminishing returns.
Pokemon used to be good. It was a pretty decent JRPG in the first few gens. Now it's so toddlerized and brainless I can't even play it.
I don't know why they make it so moronicly easy. Red and Blue weren't too hard for kids when they came out.
the newer games are harder than the old ones
No way. I haven't played since Sun/Moon. Are they really harder than Red/Blue?
Pokemon games have always been braindead easy, you have just grown older. Plus there's the fact that pretty much every Pokemon now has a decent learnset, so you're not forced to use ember and tackle until you're level 40.
The promise of pokemon is nothing short of perfection. It's the ultimate isekai. It speaks to the yearning for adventure in our hearts, and our natural love and fascination with magical creatures. The very idea of going on an adventure with pokemon in a lush, idealistic world with not a care in the world has universal appeal.
Unfortunately, the company that lucked into Pokemon, shitfreak, knows it can prey upon the nostalgia of autistic mantoddlers and anyone mindbroken by the pokemania psyop to get away with selling annual or biannual kusoge. Look at everything else under the Nintendo umbrella; the Switch is no graphical powerhouse, but it churns out high-quality games with a great deal of polish. Pokemon, however, is a joke. Its games are actual dogshit, obviously unfinished and blatantly polished to anyone with a brain.
And it was ALWAYS like this. Not just on the Switch, not just on the 3DS, but always. Pokemon was always a mediocre JRPG that arbitrarily cuts content between games and splits features between nearly identical versions to prey on autistic completionists stupid enough to buy the same game twice. If pokemon actually iterated on the things it did well instead of cutting content to "give each gen a unique identity' or whatever horseshit excuse those dumb fricking nips at shitfreak come up with, it would be certified kino. Instead, and thanks to the FOMO autism of pokegays, it will be a laughingstock forever.
>arbitrarily cuts content between games
Every video game franchise does this.
Is it just me being old or do a lot of the new Pokémon designs of the last few gens look completely moronic?
They do, never let anyone tell you otherwise. Gens 8 and 9 are absolutely moronic. The cracks started showing in 5 (half the dex is way too ugly and weird), sorta recovered in 6, started showing cracks again in 7 (the whole hawaiian vibe allowed for too many zany designs but at least it fit the game) and completely fell off a cliff in 8 & 9
It's not just you anon. With SV especially it's clear they were designed with the models first instead of 2D illustrations. I hate modern pokeshit as much as the next guy but I've always considered the pokemon themselves to be almost universally great character designs until very recently. S/W was a mixed bag but S/V miss way more than they hit.
The problem is they started marketing toward female demographic. Now even the 'cool' designs have rounded corners and softer features and more shit looks derpy in general.
they do that because their modeling team are lazy hacks, not because of your globohomosexual feminist troony bogeyman you schizo homosexual
Sharp corners take less polys and it's in the concept art too. Globo homosexual has nothing to do with it. They want a bigger market share so they started marketing to the other 50% of the population and it made the designs worse.
There have always been designs which look completely moronic. They just get the filter of "classic mons" and nostalgia to help them out. You can't tell me that a ball, a hazy ball, a bunch of eggs, or a fat pink squirrel with a big tongue are exceptional designs. We're just so used to them now that everybody looks back on them positively.
Gen 9 seems fairly good. Not all great, but some like the electric/fighting and the fire armors look really nice. Gen 9 has less original designs thanks to all of the previous-gen throwbacks as legendaries and a few new past-gen evos taking up a lot of the new entries. The three new pokemon looking like motorcycles don't help much, either.
Based. Kanto is actually fricking terrible. An entire third of the pokedex is poison-type shitmons, there are no less than 8 brown normal type birds, there is only one dragon type line and one ghost type line, and there are several redundant pokemon that are literally worse versions of others, like primeape < machamp and hypno < alakazam. Kanto is trash.
Muk still looks good, he was well drawn.
PIC RELATED IS HOW THEY WOULD DO HIM NOW, that's the entire problem. The concepts aren't so much an issue, but that the designs are shitty and toddler-ized
They literally did a modern muk and it was a much needed improvement.
>troony colors
>good
When tendies swallow semen as long as it comes from a Nintendo penis, you ,
, will never get them to admit to anything.
>troony colors
It's fricking oil you troony obsessed freak. And the troony colors are pastel pink and blue, neither of those colors are on it
Yes, it was top tier during Gen 1 and 2. Gen 5 killed the series as you can see here
A sludge pokemon is good design you incel.
Slimes are one of the oldest fantasy monsters of all times, you're literally pro-trans with your take. Literally history revisionism.
>Slimes are one of the oldest fantasy monsters of all times
Not him but you know that doesn't excuse a poor design right? You're judging it by concept and not design and the design is abysmal being just a big version of the previous one.
I mean, this is a slime but are you going to say its lazy?
A concept is entirely what makes or breaks a monster. A slime getting bigger and scarier is good design.
The first slime is Dragon Quest's design, the second design, Muk, is Digimon tiers level of good.
>A concept is entirely what makes or breaks a monster
No it doesn't. Those gen 8 fossil pokemon have a brilliant concept based on how bones and fossils were put together wrong but are you going to say this is a good design? No, because it isn't. It poorly conveys the concept of two monsters fused together.
>Those gen 8 fossil pokemon have a brilliant concept
It being...what? Your image is just a shitty design even in concept.
>It being...what?
Christ, you people really do have ADHD.
>bro gen 8 had great fossil concept!
>oh yeah? name 2
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE ADHD ADHD!!!
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Maybe if you had continued reading you would have seen it in the actual post.
I finished the post and didn't find the concept of the fossil in pic related anywhere.
Dinosaur chimera made by a bad reconstruction of the fossils.
this you blind idiot
Wait I mixed up the replies but the message is still the same.
I for once, apologize, I did not read your post. So you be telling me this
is supposed to be a dinosaur chimera via mixing bones that don't fit, which would in short kill the revived chimera in an instant? It's a lol so wacky concept for sure, but not a good one.
Are there even any historical references for that concept?
>Are there even any historical references for that concept
Yes, just Google poorly reconstructed fossils.
Yes, but it was mostly hoaxes I think.
The design would have been good, if it respected what its referencing.
Pic related, good concept for a design.
So you want the reconstructed fossil Pokemon to just be a fossil walking around.
Even though every other fossil Pokemon is a living being reanimated from a fossil.
No, I meant the literal dinosaur design, the colors don't matter. The gen 8 pokemon looks nothing like whats referencing, the gen 8 pokemon is just a mismatched piece of shit of le ebin velociraptor or whatever, the original concept looks like an actually unique monster.
The "original concept" is not the only mismatched fossil in existence you colossal tool.
Then correct the record and post a photo of the original mismatched fossil.
Anon, what I'm saying is that there's a shitload of mismatched fossils from throughout history. These are not based on any specific instance of fossil mismatching, they're based on the PRACTICE and PREVALCENCE of mismatched fossils.
>there's a shitload of mismatched fossils from throughout history.
Yet you can't even find ONE that isn't the photo I provided, hmmm....funny isn't it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Palace_Dinosaurs
Also, brontosauri, as they appear in Jurassic Park, are not real. They're another result of fossil mismatching.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Palace_Dinosaurs
This is really cool anon, I once again admit I was wrong, and there are other cases besides the one I posted.
I skimmed through the pictures here and I can confidently claim all of those designs are better and more unique than the awful mixmatch they made in gen-8. Once again proving that if you respect the source material and just copy what you're refencing 1:1, instead of going full "LOOK MOM IM CREATIVE" like you can see in these shitty slimes:
The end result is FAR better.
>The end result is FAR better
That doesn't make sense as a response.
Your slimes are ugly my dude, this one I would literally call him a genie.
They are slimes only in name, and look nothing like DND
>and look nothing like DND
Who said I was posting dnd slimes? Also neither does muk
The jells whole gimmick is that they are aping humans, so they can into guns, and helicopters when fighting. It's something you need to see their animations to like.
That layout reminds me of Fossil Fighters, maybe you should check those games out just to see what you should copy from it. As for needs just make element damage less powerful than they are in Pokemon. That's all the strategy you need in Pokemon and I want a game where there's more to teambuilding than what type they are.
a race...of jellies?
Alright I finished your video, I will to study this further, but this is a new concept, this isn't reference in the books. Creating something without any reference is hard as frick to pull out, but the fact this seems...logical, scares me.
Allow me to worldbuild for a bit how a race like this would work. Thank you for your youtube video anon.
Anon, every single one of these designs was trying to make something some guy in 1850 (albeit, a smart guy) THOUGHT looked like a realistic dinosaur. Pokemon exaggerated it to hell so people would get the reference.
And hell, the entire debate was over whether the concept makes the Pokemon. You've now literally admitted that you have to take a good concept and EXECUTE IT GOOD TOO. You have lost the point you were arguing over in the first place!!
I don't feel like arguing anymore, let's drop it for now. Okay?
If you didn't want us to make fun of you then you should have just listened in the first place.
I genuinely believe whenever 9gay became popular was the darkest time to be alive. It was awful, the internet was terrible, real life was cringy as frick, everyone was talking about the epic memes. I HATED IT.
2018, now that was an era, we have to go back...
He literally said the concept in the post you replied to.
>Your image is just a shitty design even in concept.
Then you're just saying muk is shit for the same reason.
>He literally said the concept in the post you replied to.
Where?
>Then you're just saying muk is shit for the same reason.
How? Christ you people behave like fricking women, ZERO logical thought process behind your arguments.
I said Muk is great because slimes are a classical fantasy creature, and a slime is just that, a piece of sludge. Now, SOMEHOW, for some ungodly reason, Muk is shit because gen 8 designs are shit? Anon, please for the love of anything, answer me this. What the frick is wrong with you? What the actual frick does your shitty gen-8 design has to do with fricking Muk? They have literally NOTHING in common, logically.
>Where?
Black person, its literally the same fricking line you quoted, you didn't read the entire thing
>and a slime is just that, a piece of sludge.
Wut, the majority of slimes aren't just living sludge, they're either acidic, take on the attributes of the area they're living in and can more often than not, shapeshift.
Muk is just shit
>Black person, its literally the same fricking line you quoted, you didn't read the entire thing
Where? I had to read another, completely different post to read about the concept itself.
>Wut, the majority of slimes aren't just living sludge, they're either acidic,
You made 2 mistakes here.
1. Slimes are literally just that, living sludge
2. Muk is poisonous type, which is acidic by nature, hence its corrosive abilities.
> take on the attributes of the area they're living
This has literally never happened outside of Zeldoid games.
>shapeshift
Sludges aren't shapeshifters, they don't even have brains to be sentient beings.
Slimes in D&D, which is what Muk is referencing alongside many gen 1 pokemon, are literally just slimes, generic ones, with no additional elemental typing.
Also answer my fricking question, what the frick is wrong with your thought process that for some reason you believed gen-8 shittery was in any way related to Muk
>Where?
I just fricking told you where. Look at the god damn you colossal moron.
>Slimes are literally just that, living sludge
No they're not they can be literally any kind of semi-liquid material.
>Muk is poisonous type, which is acidic by nature
That's also false, poison contains acidic pokemon but isn't 100% acidic pokemon you jackass. Muk can't even learn acid moves outside of acid armor which isn't even called acid armor in Japanese.
>This has literally never happened outside of Zeldoid games.
What the frick are you talking about? There's tons in DQ alone let alone other rpgs.
>Sludges aren't shapeshifters
Yes anon, slimes tend to be shapeshifters whether they can think or not because of their gelatinous bodies. This goes back to dnd's gelatinous cube that could fit anywhere and reform because it was a malleable slime you jackass.
>which is what Muk is referencing
No it isn't comparing pokemon to anything in DnD is a fricking insult.
>poison contains acidic pokemon but isn't 100% acidic pokemon you jackass.
If I may butt in for a moment, I want to remind the world that gamefreak's silly balancing methods gave the first Pokemon that can poison steel types a secondary typing that hits steel types for SE damage.
>I just fricking told you where. Look at the god damn you colossal moron.
You quite literally didn't, why are you lying my man?
>No they're not they can be literally any kind of semi-liquid material.
They are literally always sludge, any type of gelatinous body is a sludge. Sludge is a state of being.
>That's also false, poison contains acidic pokemon
In 3 words you contradicted yourself and admitted defeat.
>Muk can't even learn acid moves outside of acid armor
No shit its a gen 1 pokemon.
>What the frick are you talking about? There's tons in DQ alone let alone other rpgs.
All copies of the original zelda, which predates them.
>Yes anon, slimes tend to be shapeshifters whether they can think or not because of their gelatinous bodies. This goes back to dnd's gelatinous cube that could fit anywhere and reform because it was a malleable slime you jackass.
A malleable being is not a shapeshifter you moron. There's a pretty big difference between a doppelganger and a slime, anon. This is Monster bestiary 101.
>No it isn't comparing pokemon to anything in DnD is a fricking insult.
An insult to pokemon I would assume, since pokemon far surpassed DnD's bad gameplay.
>You quite literally didn't
Anon,
SAID the fricking concept.
"Those gen 8 fossil pokemon have a brilliant concept BASED ON HOW BONES AND FOSSILS WERE PUT TOGETHER WRONG"
You quoted the start of this sentence. Not the end, which EXPLAINS THE CONCEPT.
>BASED ON HOW BONES AND FOSSILS WERE PUT TOGETHER WRONG"
Look, I admit that you may be right here, but he worded that shit terribly.
... No, he didn't. That's an entirely normal way to explain what he was trying to in the sentence structure he was using. I think you realized your mistake a few posts into this exchange and are now trying to save face, to be honest.
He's been shitposting since the guy brought up dracozolt.
He still won't accept that he mentioned the mixed fossils.
I said you may have been right, what else do you want from me? You won the culture war.
>This has literally never happened outside of Zeldoid games.
Excuse me, what?
FF copied Zelda, you dum dum
Hate to burst your bubble but ffx predates wind waker, before that Chu chus didn't have different elements only their contents were different.
Forgot my image
Honestly I'm just going to post slimes now just because you were dumb enough to think that variants came from Zelda.
Not even Zelda fans believe that so you're clearly just shitposting.
>bro look at this literal regular slime but with a modified filename. Try harder, zelda invented not just elemental slimes, but elemental monsters in general.
>>bro look at this literal regular slime but with a modified filename
Except regular jells in MR are water, not ice.
>or a fat pink squirrel with a big tongue are exceptional designs
Oh hell no. You can just frick right off with that shit taste plebian. Shit on Dugtrio, Muk, and Electrode al you want but Lickitung is one of the best gen 1 designs and I'm sick of it being underappreciated. I've said this before in the past but it's been a long time coming.
>Perfect mix of a familiar animal but cartoony enough that it doesn't look completely generic what with its color, markings, and human-like tongue instead of a lizard's. Exactly what a weird anime monster should look like.
>Almost looks like a demented parody of a cute marketable Pokémon in the way that you would think that a pink creature that looks like Charmander and Squirtle from behind would be adorable but is actually grotesque.
>Despite being ugly, it can still get away with being portrayed as cute.
>Turns expectations for what a "normal" type should look like completely on its head. A true example of subverting expectations.
Lickitung is just 3 major features out from slowbro
I will never understand someone who thinks a sludge monster looks moronic. complete gaming virgin.
>Is it just me being old or do a lot of the new Pokémon designs of the last few gens look completely moronic?
It's just nostalgia as much as people want to deny it. To prove it let's look at another monster tamer franchise.
looks great, what about it?
Other than the face I like it.
I like it
Yeah, the more you go on the lamer they get
Holy Kino, its the biker-chad from OPM
It is just you being old.
No, it's not you, Yokai Watch bootlegs suck.
Both Pokémon's greatest asset & one of its greatest shortcomings is its marketability.
There's a good blend of cute & cool for everyone, weird stuff. There's an okay enough battle system, most of the checklist Pokémon fills by being decent and since most people don't know any better that's good enough.
However since it is marketable and needs to remain as such, it can never cater to anyone specific and be something truly grand. No gamer who has gone through a good variety of games should have Pokémon as their favorite game. It can be one that matters, or among the contenders maybe, but if it is your favorite, it's because you've allowed it to largely because you're an overly complacent consumer.
So much of Pokémon is left untapped. Okay battle system sure but it'll never be exploited to its fullest because its a franchise for babies so every battle's piss easy even with rules to make it not like that, even the community's most common form of hard modes is frequently riddled with "gentleman rules" because, again, it's a game for babies. Same for anything involved the story (Although the fans are somehow even worse at it than the official devs, manchilds that they are). Other arguable waste of potential like the mere concept of a starter . Make 100 monsters but give 1 away at the start among 3 predetermined and make it sound special so half of the NPCs never look past it, could go on about autistic arguments here & there but like many franchises, no people know how to hate their franchise more than Pokémon players so they can add on to that.
>it can never cater to anyone specific and be something truly grand
Frick this hurts, yeah.
Ironically one of Digimon's strengths is that it's NOT as marketable nor popular. Despite Bandai really wanting it to be the next Pokemon / Yokai Watch / Whatever is popular with kids, kids don't really buy Digimon. Bandai is slowly realizing this and they allow more teenage plots happen in the games, or do anime movies with the characters as adults, lately they even released a goddamn +18 Digimon Visual Novel.
Slowly but surely Bandai is realizing they can be riskier.
Pokemon is going in the fricking OPPOSITE direction, since it already found its "niche" we'll no longer get creative titles.
Stadium, Pinball, Dungeon Mystery (original entries felt way darker compared to Super Dungeon Mystery in the 3ds), all the dark shit in the original RedBlue games, THE MEWTWO MOVIE, the Pokemon manga with brutal battles....
I wish Pokemon would cater to the adult market, there's like a billion adults who loved Pokemon when they were kids. I want games for us NOT IN THE "How nostalgic uwu" WAY, but in the "HOLY SHIT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOOD" way.
A game in which you're a police officer and your starters are Growlithe, Dratini and Riolu for example, whatever, make it more mature and harder
>all the dark shit in the original RedBlue games
You're joking right? The RB was the most tame of them all.
Frick... I've always wanted a pokemon ranger or detective game with mainline mechanics where instead of the gym challenge you explore the wilderness and solve mysteries. Legends was a little taste of what I want but it was way worse than what most people seem willing to give it credit for, which speaks to the nonexistent standards of pokegays. feels bad man
Legends: Arceus showed us a glimpse of what a tailored Pokémon experience could be like. I just feel robbed knowing that was probably the most we'll ever get.
>"no, no, stop hating it because it's shit now! it was actually never that good! ahaha!"
/vp/ shills, every single day. fricking have a nice day, shill.
only kanto and johto were good
Pokemon is fundamentally broken, because its two key appeals are are diametrically opposed to each other and introducing a third draw breaks the already flimsy balance between the two reasons people like pokemon.
Pokemon has arguably the deepest and most complex battle system out of any RPG and by tuning move and mon availability, you can create very interesting scenarios with a high level of challenge, forcing people to think and plan. That's fun and it doesn't even go into the endless possibilities of competitive play.
Pokemon is also a monster collection game, where one of the central draws is the wide range of fun creatures available, giving you a lot of room to express yourself in the game.
Striking a balance between these two main draws is already nightmarish, but now tacking a lot of story or some other thing on top? It'a impossible.
Pokemon as a series is stuck in limbo forever.
Play PokeMMO.
Pokemon fusion is great.
I literally needed an excel sheet to help me decide what do I fuse from what I currently have.
The core idea of choosing your own team with their own moves, and sending them out one on one to fight enemies that are the same as the creatures you can choose is quite novel. The games never actually lived up to the potential this has, however, and seemed to always be satisfied with having easy enemies to fight.
The fact that all major "bosses" are all monotypes (gym leaders) that you can breeze through with a type advantage (or having a brain) says enough really.
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bait used to be high quality here
Not everything is bait anon.
The darkest thing in RB were the unseen experiments on Mewtwo other than that? Nothing.
Gen 2 has rocket cutting off slowpoke tails and forcing evolution
Gen 3 has cataclysmic floods and a drought threatening to burn the region
Gen 4 had galactic literally draining a lake by blowing it up leaving the magikarp to suffocate
Gen 5 it literally a story about child grooming and the player character almost gets skewered by Ghetsis
Gen 6 has pokemon revived with the life-force of hundreds of pokemon and then said revival machine was converted to decimate the enemies of Kalos. Later on lysandre has one of two Fates depending on the game
1) crushed beneath rocks
2) crushed beneath rocks but still alive
Gen 7 and 8 I didn't play but I wouldn't be surprised if they had something like that.
And gen 9 the professor dies at the hands of a violent pokemon
>The darkest thing in RB were the unseen experiments on Mewtwo other than that? Nothing.
Forgetting, and this is just from memory:
1. Lavender theme song
2. Lavender town's literal town theme
3. Rival's literal dead pokemon
4. LT. Surge is a literal pokemon war survivor, which allowed the lore to justify how everything is gloom and only children are walking around with pokemon since the parents are dead
5. Your literal missing father.
6. Cubone, the pokemon that wears its mother's skull
7. Team Rocket literally abusing that one woman during that city raid.
8. The old man literally waiting for the female women to come out of the gym so he can rape them.
9. Missingno
to name a few, dark isn't edgy garbage like the trash you listed. real dark is a theme, a feeling. It is atmosphere.
>1. Lavender theme song
Nothing dark about that.
>2. Lavender town's literal town theme
It has a graveyard, not inherently dark
>3. Rival's literal dead pokemon
Headcanon created by fans that has never been confirmed and I doubt ever will.
>4. LT. Surge is a literal pokemon war survivor, which allowed the lore to justify how everything is gloom and only children are walking around with pokemon since the parents are dead
There are so many adults and elderly people with pokemon that it's laughable that you believe this. Also AZ is a war survivor as well, in fact he was the one who stole the life of hundreds of pokemon, twice.
>5. Your literal missing father.
Not inherently dark
>6. Cubone, the pokemon that wears its mother's skull
If we're going to go with dex entries then there are worse ones in later generations.
>7. Team Rocket literally abusing that one woman during that city raid.
What? I don't remember anything like that in Saffron.
>8. The old man literally waiting for the female women to come out of the gym so he can rape them.
You're an idiot. He was just ogling the ladies roshi style
>9. Missingno
Not even intentional.
didnt read
You did, but you have no argument.
t. underage normalgay
The concept was always good, it's just that the franchise never quite grew to match it. It started as a rudimentary RPG for the game boy and all of it's problems stem from the fact that it stays trapped in that mold ratger than realizing it's full potential
Yes! The concept, the designs, and the world are great, what are you talking about?
Gen 1. Great game, amazing world and designs.
Gen 2. Amazing sequel that expands and improves on almost everything, incredible technical achievement to fit in so much into a gameboy cartridge
Gen 3. Pokemon isn't really the top game of the system anymore, but some new mechanics carry it to be an overall decent to good game
Gen 4. ANOTHER reboot? Formula is way too stale at this point. Pokemon gets mogged by your average non shovelware DS game.
Gen 5+ More rehashes, just mercy kill it already.
I hated gen 3 so much when it came out, but my opinion has always been drowned by moronic nintendo wienersuckers.
gen 2 introduced berries, night and day cycle, exploring older regions, expanding on older pokemon, beloved recurring villains return, beloved recurring heroes return.
Then gen 3 came out and discarded literally everything except the gay berries. Fricking hell, I would hate nintendo if it wasn't for its awful fanbase.
>Then gen 3 came out and discarded literally everything except the gay berries
The reason your opinion was drowned out is because its an objectively shitty one.
You're focusing on superficial nonsense instead of seeing the massive leaps made in gen 3.
Gen 3 has best pokemon main and side games R/S/E poke coliseum/XD and PMD.
Don't forget KinoRed and LeafLudo
Holy zoomer gayness.
I enjoy the social aspect of the TCG and GO
They're good when you're a kid, boring as an adult. Once you've played better RPGs with fast paced battles and some actual challenge you can never go back. There's also monster tamer games that are much better, like Dragon Warrior Monsters or Monster Rancher
Pokemon is still good
People hate on Pokemon because "Nintendo fan who hates RPGs" is not a meme and they thought "surely Pokemon will evolve beyond its turn based gameplay"
yes
Its not a very easy task adapting turn based console RPGs for the modern games market and theyre unable to follow the same solutions as some other series. for everything i personally hate about pokemon 3 or 4 onwards, people wouldnt be shitting on it as much if they followed those ideas with development standards from 2002 and implemented them remotely well
I actually think the FOTM open-world gimmick is a reasonable idea and its a shame they couldnt make it work
Pokemon is shit because it cant adapt and innovate (although in my personal opinion cant rehash effectively enough either) but the series' roots are successful for a reason
I unironically enjoyed Scarlet and I think is a good direction of the series, obviously the game is rather bad in some aspects due gamefreak's usually stupidity and the fact the game is rushed as frick but the core gameplay is more enjoyable than Sword and Shield
the only things that I don't like is the art direction and the LGBT garbage but at least the in second is only contained in characters that only homos and women like
source?
Yes. Pokemon has always been good.
The games can be beaten by using only the starter pokemon and using only one attack. You just one hit everything the AI throws at you.
There is no reason to collect other pokemon except for their HMs. They are made for children.
>They are made for children.
Maybe turn off Switch mode and stop playing the toddler difficulty?
made for children.
Again, there is no skill curve. You can beat any of the games using just the starter pokemon. Your level will be so high that you one hit everything no matter the pokemon type.
>source: my ass
If you intentionally power grind your starter then yes, you will beat the game very easily, but you'll spend like 50 hours doing so for no clear reason.
I'm not denying that the current releases aren't hilariously handholdy anddesigned for braindead adult children, but the game was not always that way.
The games are all targeted at 6-8 the old games are just as easy, the people who deny it just play by honor rules that are no longer supported
>not going out of your way to powerlevel your starter is an 'honor rule'
Yeah it honestly is. If you’re playing Blue and you picked Charmander in Viridian Forest most people are going to use ember to one shot the bugs not swap to Ratata and use tackle 4 times repeat 10 times to get Ratata on a similar level then box Ratata because there’s a new Pokemon you want and Ratata wasn’t in your planned team but you leveled it anyway because just using Charmander is cheating and you want to be 6 levels below Brock
>Charismatic designs
>Catchy music
>Engrossing world
>Amazing aesthetic
>Perfect concept that was just barely feasible at time of creation
And the most important:
>"Holy fricking shit, it's a whole ass RPG on the game boy!"
Of course, every single one of these traits, they've either failed to develop it anywhere interesting or actively weakened in the last few decades, so it's a moot point now.
Gens 3 and 4 are legitimately great but in flawed packages. 2 was a super ambitious formula shift that JRPG fans may appreciate more. 5 is just improved 4, but the artstyle and setting shift will turn off a lot of fans.
The series goes to shit after gen 6 because it stopped innovating or improving. The tiredness of the franchise could already be felt in Gen 5 but it falls off a cliff in Gen 6.
So am I crazy or are pokemon designs after gen 4 god awful? It prevents me from enjoying the games.
Yes, and Gen 4 isn't great either. Its where Sugimori started using digital art tools which is just a death sentence for traditional artists especially in Japan from what I've seen, and Gen 5 is where they officially started letting foreign artists into the mix and you can see the quality control just fell off a cliff. 5 was the first generation accused of just being fricking Digimon by some fans (oldgays will remember)
not really, no. We think it was because we were stupid 9 year old kids with low expecations when we started playing. That's why X and Y seem so good to us even though they don't hold up today. Are they better than nu-pokemon garbage? Yeah, slightly, but they're still mediocre games.
Pokemon was fine if you were a kid.
It still is, if you are a kid.
Kind of on topic but Im making a pokemon-like, but isometric, with team battles, 4 on 4, on a simple grid. Some attacks benefit from being on a further grid, or closer grid spot, and some attacks require a straight line of sight. Just so theres some more strategy. Rather than PP, it also uses an AP system, with different moves costing different AP. Turn order is decided by the SPD and DEX attribute(Actually every attribute matters, but those are the main drivers)
One of the things I read was that people wished there were more team battles and that was a big driver in doing something like that. Is there something else in pokemon that you guys thought was sorely needed? Not even necessarily in battles, but in the overall game?
Day and night cycle. Breeding. Can't think of any other essentials.
Aren't you basically just making Persona 1?
I love how this looks thus far, anon. It's hard to say a definitive "thing" Pokemon is lacking- but for me, I think it would be an overall more holistic design. Pokemon's got a lot of concepts that are executed decently but at its core it's this ultra simple system that sort of belies a lot of potential complexities being added just because they can't be properly worked in with the existing ultra-simple mechanics. And the ones they can add often come out janky. If there were, say, a function for multihit moves that was universal and could be applied to anything, it might not have taken a decade and a half for us to get a concept like Mega Kangaskhan, and it might not have turned out so fricking broken.
tl;dr: Design it overall more robust and fit for complexity from the ground up. Maybe allow some degree of modding, or customization, so players can really test the limits of the mechanics?
I don't see the grid system benefiting Pokemon's gameplay in any way. Having more complex calculations for character attributes I also don't see benefitting the Pokemon concept much. Part of what makes Pokemon as characters so appealing in gameplay is that each one is a significantly distinct and understandable unique archetype, for the most part; having to parse numbers makes you less attached to the creatures themselves and you feel more disconnected and start thinking like a pure strategist a la SMT.
One thing an isometric monster battler could really do is use unique animations for each creature to drive home the personality and appeal of each, a la the console Pokemon games with attention grabbing 3D battle animations.
Take a look at pokemon stadium, and no I don't mean the technicality of having 3D models. Focus on the expressions and personality of each pokemon, or take a look at pokemon snap. Bring them to life, don't make them stat numbers
The reason that people want double battles in mainline games is because a significant portion of the games involve abilities and attacks which involve team battles. You are NEVER going to use Follow Me, Wide Guard, or the Telepathy ability in any mainline pokemon game because these do absolutely nothing in single battles. You basically need to break out the online pokemon battler to even get a sense of how useful these are or not.
As for your idea, the side of your party and the movepools of characters is going to have a big influence on how well everything works. Having four characters and battlefield positions is practically asking for a "tank" style character and heavy damage dealers, along with a "healer" style. The result is going to be something more like a traditional RPG for the party. Something like Dragon Quest 5, or (oddly) Monster Girl Quest Paradox, where you have a large party (12+) so there are viable characters to swap out for each position if you do need to change. The other option is to only have a set party of four monsters with no swapping, or reduce the number of monsters in the fight to 2-3 to make the ones being put in matter more.
>Do any Pokemon games actually let you capture all the Pokemon without any trading bullshit?
Not any mainlines ones, no. They always focused on trading between versions, even back when you could catch all the pokemon in a single generation. The most recent generations aren't even intended to have all the pokemon in them, much less actually catching all 1000+ of them.
Side games don't usually have trading, so you're more likely to have everything available. Stuff like Pokemon Pinball, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, or the trading card games would let you catch everything that was available up to that point.
I despise the 4 move limit in pokemon games
Do any Pokemon games actually let you capture all the Pokemon without any trading bullshit?
No, it was never good. The only people that like this godawful series are the pokemon manchildren who buy hackfreak slop everytime a new game releases.
I do like Moemon though. That's pretty good.
Same, somewhat more enjoyable than I took it for
Pokemon is very good in that it is one of the ONLY games where you get to keep your saved progress the last 15-20 years. Pokemon Stadium was the series' magnum opus. With gametypes like littlecup, it gave a point to having baby pokemon. As I mentioned before, your saved progress could be carried over as you were able to bring your pokemon from the original R/B/Y to fight in the game. However, the magic is starting to run out nowadays.
I think they've gotten better, with Sw/Sh being an exception but it was still pretty good. People are just butthurt they can't battle post-game NPC's and refuse to move on to harder games or games that cater to their new tastes/expectations.
They never made the things everyone wanted when they were kids which was an official Pokemon MMORPG or a real time Pokemon simulator/action game. They just keep on churning out the same shit and people that has been around for a few generations are fricking tired of it.
I’m playing Heart Gold right now and I’m enjoying myself.
>Pokémon failed... to evolve... how... ironic...
Everyone who ever says this needs to be punched in the nose.
Pokémon's problem isn't that it didn't change gameplay style, it's that after a point it started doing everything worse for absolutely no benefit while also finding a way to act like a GaaS.
Also Ruby and Sapphire were the first rushed games with major missing elements and Diamond and Pearl completely shit all over them. Black and White have good ideas but its story receives too much attention to the detriment of the region design and is very much the end of the beginning and the beginning of the end. That being said, many of modern Pokémon's problems only began creeping their way in around Platinum and HGSS, BW were just designed from the ground up with these fundamentals in place.
Its almost like stagnation precedes degeneration.
You could also say that a drop inevitably follows a climb. Pokémon doesn't need to stop being a turn-based JRPG that follows a generally similar structure in each game, because Pokémon's plot is literally nothing more than a vehicle to get you to interact with all the features and systems within the world itself.
>Also Ruby and Sapphire were the first rushed games with major missing elements and Diamond and Pearl completely shit all over them
Anon, GSC were the first rushed games with major missing elements as shown by the cut safari zone.
Also RSE demolish DPPt in quality and content quantity that it's not even funny.
Ruby and Sapphire were literally rushed out because Masuda thought the franchise was going to die.
>Missing nearly half the Pokémon, had to wait a literal year to start getting the other half
>Has almost no post-game
>Route design post-Lilycove plummets
>The very existence of e-Reader cards
>Overworld NPCs are very clearly Gen II Trainers
>Two evil teams that collectively use four different Pokémon
>The Pay to Win Generation bent on selling you countless accessories, side games, and consoles just to complete a single handheld game
DP is kind of, uh, slow
And it has only two Fire-types
*lines
**in the main story
Literally unplayable
>Missing nearly half the Pokémon, had to wait a literal year to start getting the other half
I mean, at least they were coded in. They were compatible. Just not catchable. Let's not equate this with what we've got now.
But to me, that's like counting the Gen I fossils, starters, and Legendaries for Gen II games as benefits. You can't do anything with them unless you trade them in and that takes away the fun of them. Like I used to imagine how I could find those Pokémon in Gen II without trading, because I wanted new areas to explore and mechanics to use. Like even if Gen VII has all the Pokémon at the time programmed in, a good chunk of them to me are kind of pointless since you don't even get a National Pokédex to fill out.
nearly half the Pokémon, had to wait a literal year to start getting the other half
It had every single pokemon coded in, being uncatchable doesn't mean they didn't implement them making that point moot.
>>Has almost no post-game
It didn't need post-game because there was already so much content in the main game
Contests/Berry blending
Trick house
Secret bases that you could turn into a personal gym for your friends
It's still the only game that had more than one game corner game
It introduced trainer card levels
This isn't even getting into emerald either.
design post-Lilycove plummets
Not with the dive routes. No one ever considers underwater part of the water routes.
>>The very existence of e-Reader cards
What about them?
NPCs are very clearly Gen II Trainers
Anon, there are only about 2 that have passing similarities.
>>Two evil teams that collectively use four different Pokémon
You are aware that GSC Rocket uses less pokemon than RBY Rocket, right?
>>The Pay to Win Generation bent on selling you countless accessories, side games, and consoles just to complete a single handheld game
Dude, you literally just need FRLG and emerald to finish the dex. You don't need any other games or accessories, and speaking of accessories FRLG came with the wireless adapter for free.
>It had every single pokemon coded in, being uncatchable doesn't mean they didn't implement them making that point moot.
Not him but this distinction only exists on the mind of seething dexgays, as a kid with Pokemon Ruby I did not give an iota of a shit “uh actually you can hack Charizard in with an action replay”
>uh actually you can hack Charizard in with an action replay
Or just trade it from FRLG once those existed.
Unless GF were to go back and release a patch, anything not in SwSh is never going to be in SwSh.
>as a kid
Then your opinion is irrelevant.
A kid wouldn't care for any of this anyway.
>DP is kind of, uh, slow
NTA but
>slow
>30 fps down from gen 3's 60
>worse dex
>gutted secret bases and replaced battling and sharing wirh capture the flag
>gutted Contests removing move combos, jamming and status effects for ddr and dress up
>removed a game corner game
>ripped off rse's plot but now with actual deities rather than super strong pokemon
>replaced trainers eyes with the vs seeker from frlg a vastly inferior form of rematch that relies on rng
>actually reliant on side games to complete the dex as manaphy was only available in ranger
>bonus: manaphy was only obtainable ONCE per ranger copy. Not even resetting the game gave you the chance at another
>unown for some ungodly reason was tied to Hippopotas's encounter rate meaning you had to catch more unique forms if you wanted a higher chance at seeing it
That's off the top of my head.
Thank God platinum salvaged Sinnoh, if DP were the only entries it would probably be regarded as the worst region of the big 3
>Thank God platinum salvaged Sinnoh
I wish, of that entire list the only thing that was fixed was that it was a smidge faster but then it also made "saving a lot of data" even longer.
There was something else it did too but I can't remember what it was.
Platinum also changed a lot of assets and the game looks so much better for it.
Of course. I also don't use items in battle
>Platinum also changed a lot of assets and the game looks so much better for it.
Now I remember, censorship.
Platinum was the first game to censor the game corner.
Then HGSS just removed slots entirely.
>Platinum was the first game to censor the game corner.
>Then HGSS just removed slots entirely.
Oh yeah, that was kind of lame. Though, I think voltorb flip is great.
I was pissed at Voltorb Flip when I first played it because I expected every individual game to be winnable without chance and that just wasn't how it worked at all. Now I realize it's more of a you-can-probably-avoid-losing-over-many-games situation, and I'm honestly surprised at how well it works.
Once you get the mechanics it's surprisingly relaxing to play. I much prefer it to mashing A on the slots for 2 hours. I did a living dex in FRLG and the porygon grind was fricking atrocious.
Pokemon didn't need to change anything major, you're right, but Pokemon did need to keep up in several factors where it outright did not.
Here's an example:
Gen 4 was the logical conclusion of using HMs as your form of RPG-like overworld puzzles. They weren't incredibly complex, but they could be a little tough at times- mostly, though, they were FRICKING ANNOYING. But rather than scaling it back and slowly removing it over the following generations, they should've simply done the concept smarter. Take the list of Pokemon that COULD learn the move from an HM and use that as "party members eligible to do X once you have the ability to use this field move". Now HMs don't take up 25% of your party's moveset. Now make the puzzles a little bit larger and more complex overall, maybe give them more unique bits of setdressing and add some more mechanical twists rather than making every strength puzzle about pushing spherical rocks into suspicious divots.
Instead of doing all that, Pokemon removed HMs in favor of ride Pokemon, and then almost entirely removed overworld puzzles/navigation challenges, and then entirely removed any space that WOULD HAVE POSSIBLY CONTAINED overworld puzzles/navigation challenges in a prior generation.
Pokemon's issue is that it chooses to REMOVE something when the version of it they invented before the turn of the fricking century gets annoying.
Let's be honest here. Overworld puzzles don't really need to exist.
The solutions will always be obvious no matter how "complex" it seems and if you make them longer it just becomes tedious.
Then what the frick is left to use the overworld for? If there's nothing more interesting to navigate than flat ground there, then all it is is an empty space in which you can find Pokemon and NPCs while you go from one objective to another. That's fricking boring.
>Then what the frick is left to use the overworld for?
Exploration, items, pokemon, look at games like FF12 and any Xenoblade game. They have fantastic maps but they don't need puzzles to keep the player entertained.
Hell if you really want interactions in a game like pokemon implement a bait system, think like how PLA let you throw berries to attract pokemon but in certain locations you can throw out bait that attract rare or special pokemon.
Xenoblade's overworlds are only good because there's plenty of areas that take time to figure out how to get there. Pokemon is also fricking removing that. Everything is blatant, nothing takes more than a minute of concerted effort to reach as soon as you set your eyes on it. The overworld is a meaningless mound of play-doh with colorful dust sprinkled on top. Xenoblade at least makes avoiding overleveled-as-breasts monsters into its own type of challenge.
The idea that the overworld exists solely as a place for wild Pokemon to hang around in is ass cancer of the highest order.
>The idea that the overworld exists solely as a place for wild Pokemon to hang around in is ass cancer of the highest order.
It’s a fricking creature collecting game
Yes the overworld is primarily a place to find new creatures and items to improve them.
Primarily, yes, but SOLELY? God no. Gen 9 has a horrible overworld and the idea that all the overworld can do is hold trainers, Pokemon, and items is why. I'm not asking for a bunch of straight line routes but for christ's sake could you at least add a maze in a cave somewhere or something? Maybe put some rare Pokemon in locations that aren't "literally waiting out in the open for me to catch them"?
Outside of caves, when the frick did Pokemon ever have anything more complicated than getting a badge/item to progress straight through a route?
This without a hint of irony
Pokemon is a game about collecting creatures and battling them i really don’t care about solving a boulder push puzzle to get to the next battle area
>the world should be a progress bar in between the ACTUAL bits of gameplay
So THIS is who game freak is marketing to with swoosh
If you picked any mainline entry and played only that one, you'd probably have a decent time. If you played all of them, or the majority, you'd notice how little Game Freak has really changed about the series and how many times they cut features for no good reason.
it was great in the late 90s when you were a kid and the TV show, game boy games and trading cards had taken over the planet. after that, who gives a shit
Pokemon is big because of the massive franchise, not because the games were that amazing. Parents and adult women weren't buying stuffed Pikachu pillows because they adored the video games, it's because the cute animals were everywhere and they were always available. More people know what a Pikachu is than what a Pokeball is.
People might, arguably, make a good game similar to Pokemon. Chances are, by whatever definition you use, it's already been made. But it'll never sell and never be popular, because they don't have the $500 million budget to shove it in everybody's faces. Yo-Kai Watch was the closest that another franchise got, and it overpushed its merchandising to the point that it burnt everybody out. And nobody was claiming that Yo-Kai Watch was a better game than Pokemon.
>not because the games were that amazing.
You want to know the sad part? Pokemon is the best monster tamer game on the market.
I think Yo-kai Watch is genuinely better than Pokemon.
JohtoBlack folk don't have the worst games in the series because SwShit exists now to fill that spot
he cute
>over 55,000 pokemon now
And that one is just a fricking Vulpix.
That's from the Pokemon Fusion fangame.
Its a Vulvee you moron
Disagree with gen 2 being that high with how many QoL it took away from Kanto (selling stones included), and it's got nowhere near the quality of gen 5, however I do appreciate a few design choices in it so id put it at B, Crystal as a 3rd version did nothing for it however
I agree with Gen 3 and 4's positions
I feel like 6 is a bit too high but I like it's choice of mons for all that's worth
8 should be lower
7 should be on B on virtue of having one of the best new gen designs, I swear the design direction of Gen 7 is great, even character designs are stellar and the concept of totems and the boss fight with Necrozma are unique ideas that elevate it for me because it feels like a risk with experimenting was taken
Sadly no good post-game which leaves it only at B
i still think the 2 copies and third versions are shitty as frick and should all just be one ACTUALLY FINISHED game
Absolutely. I think gen 5 is the only one that even remotely justified what it did, and even that's tenuous at best. Gen 6 would've benefited the most from "complete the game before you ship it" mentality.
Combination moves are an idea used exactly once in all of Pokemon, with Fire Pledge/Water Pledge/Grass Pledge. Elaborating them out into something sort of like a consistent system would be a nice avenue to distinguish yourself from Pokemon.
Just entered the thread, are the Gen 5 zoomers screeching at all?
anyone who dosent play these games without improvement hacks that add ways to get all the pokemon without needing to trade between games for them is a fricking idiot
I think the ideal Pokemon "upbringing" would start with gen 3.
>Get gen 3 and gen 1 remakes, so you can experience completing the national dex relatively early on but it still requires trading
>Get some good or even great spinoffs- you miss out on the Stadium games, but that's not the worst thing ever
>Move on to gen 4, get to experience cross-generation transfers, dual slot encounters give you the best version of those games
>Get a pure battle simulator- not as good as Stadium, but still great- and one of the best spinoffs in the series in PMD: Explorers of Sky
>By gen 5 you're about ready to move on, and gen 5 is perfectly suited to support that, great sendoff to all the 2D gens
>Not much in the way of spinoffs, but that's fine, it's time to go
>Avoid the potential heartbreak of loving something from gen 2 and losing it in gen 3, avoid the potential cynicism of growing up in Pokemania and living to see what comes after, not raised on ADHD-inducing games that let you catch 90% of the dex right out of the gate and that expect you to pay to transfer between gens
You guys DO use the Set battle mode, right?
I'm sure I missed some good games but I had the most entertainment with gen 3 and whichever one had the held items to make breeding more accessible. When the games stopped being about catching them all it really fell on the side content and features to carry the game.
As a JRPG, it's got a fun spin on it that works in both single and multiplayer fashion; all the monsters you find cool can be party members and you can battle other players. It's just that they're designed around kids and Game Freak seemingly has even less faith in them finishing the game with each new entry, so they're not the best they could be. The IP lends itself well to some decent spin-offs at least.
Question.
When a Pokemon levels up their stats automatically increase in accordance with some arcane system.
Would allowing the player could manually assign the statpoints instead allow for a greater degree of strategic gameplay, and would it be more fun?
The system is hidden but the player can entirely control where a Pokemon's stats go... within limits determined by what the Pokemon's entire species is designed to be.
>Would allowing the player could manually assign the statpoints instead allow for a greater degree of strategic gameplay, and would it be more fun?
You can with EVs but it's kind of opaque. In gen 6 and 7 it was actually reasonable to do but they changed it in the switch games.
IVs are fricking ridiculous though, you can max them out now with bottlecaps but there's no way to get 0 IVs conveniently
Anybody who says the games were never good is a disingenuous gay. R/G were REVOLUTIONARY as handheld games. There were very few other games at the time that were full-fledged console equivalent experiences that would keep you entertained for tens of hours with constant fresh stuff to interact with. Maybe Link's Awakening? That's about it. Most of what you got on a Game Boy were basic puzzle games, short platformers, or downgraded ports of NES/SNES games that usually paled in comparison to the real game.
Then G/S just takes the Kanto games and makes them nearly entirely obsolete (outside of dex completion). Better in every way mechanically. Much more stuff to work on after the main story. Same with Gen III (outside of the day/night cycle which is an unfortunate loss). So on and so on until about Gen V which is where they started significantly cutting out old features for no discernable reason.
Anyway, look at the 3DS and Switch games and there are far more interesting things available on them. Pokémon stagnated and then regressed while the rest of the industry moved on to make bigger and better things. Key members of Game Freak like Masuda are stuck in a self-defeating mindset where "there's no point making good games because FOTM zoomer shit exists that will always have the kids' attention".
I'm just talking about pure gameplay, mind. It might be babby's first JRPG, but it's a pretty entertaining JRPG. That's not even mentioning the great music, art and monster design, so on and so forth.
Anyway I should really finish my all shiny HG playthrough. Left it just before Red because I don't want it to end kek
The first two gens were iconic
The Saturday morning anime for Kanto & the orange islands were peak childhood for many millennials.
The first few movies were great as well.
It was all downhill from there. What absolutely killed it for me was when they replaced all the original voice actors in the english dub.
The only good movie is the Latias one
Nah, destiny deoxys was great.
I'll also give wish maker a bonus point for that fake Groudon.
>last season of the anime (with ash) has a latias travelling around, stalking him invisibly and lusting after his dick
I swear to god whoever wrote the movie was still on the anime and HAD to force their fetish in one last time
Are any of the new region romhacks any good? I already know about Clover, but what else is there?
A lot of the OC romhacks are really fricking painful to play, and on the other end of the spectrum, the difficulty hacks are repetitive as frick. I think the last hack I actually played through all the way was storm silver
No because everyone in this fanbase has different takes on what makes a region good
pokemon unbound is the most fun ive had with pokemon in a while
moron what is
>>>/vp/
Ruby and Sapphire proved that you didn't need backwards compatibility to be a good game.
It proved you don't need half the Pokémon for a year.
It proved that post-game doesn't actually matter.
It proved that good music doesn't matter and the GBA soundchip doesn't need to be good.
It proved that you don't need an actual rival.
It proved that you don't need the aesthetix and personality of the first two Generations.
It proved that you don't need a second region.
It proved that you don't need time-based features, events, animated sprites, online battling/trading from Japanese Crystal, effectively making it a pointless experiment.
It proved that you don't need competent region design for the final third of the game.
It proved that you don't need a well-written set of antagonists, only that they antagonize even if they ultimately realize they made no sense.
It proved that you can rush a game and still get a masterpiece.
It proved that you don't even need double battles and contests since it barely uses them.
All it needs is to be my first game and my childhood, that makes it supreme and better than everything that preceded and succeded it.
Now DP, I have no idea how anyone can touch those pieces of garbage.
>Slow
>Not many Fire-types
>Not my childhood
>There are new Pokémon that are saved into the post-game
At least Ruby and Sapphire have the decency to not have a post-game.
What it actually proved is that pretendies would consume anything nintendo shits out and praise it to high heavens
are new Pokémon that are saved into the post-game
Oh right that's another one to add to the list.
>>slow
>>30 fps down from gen 3's 60
dex
secret bases and replaced battling and sharing wirh capture the flag
Contests removing move combos, jamming and status effects for ddr and dress up
a game corner game
off rse's plot but now with actual deities rather than super strong pokemon
trainers eyes with the vs seeker from frlg a vastly inferior form of rematch that relies on rng
reliant on side games to complete the dex as manaphy was only available in ranger
: manaphy was only obtainable ONCE per ranger copy. Not even resetting the game gave you the chance at another
for some ungodly reason was tied to Hippopotas's encounter rate meaning you had to catch more unique forms if you wanted a higher chance at seeing it
>certain pokemon and cross gen evos were locked until the post game
Which means I can also add
>postgame in general was locked behind seeing every pokemon in the game
I enjoyed it. Good times. Ignore revisionism attempts.
Genwun is preddy gud, i think. I haven't really played anything after Ruby though. I did try Sword and Scarlet but i dropped them in a few hours because i hated it. I wanted to like Sword/Shield because I watched a streamer play it before I even bothered trying it and i liked how it looked.
>and i liked how it looked.
Black person what
it was some guy hunting for a shiny sheep thing and I liked the UI look and the graphics and shit.
>I wanted to like Sword/Shield because I watched a streamer play it
kys
Gen 3 and Gen 5 were the only good ones.
1st gen is a buggy mess and ugly as shit.
2nd gen locks all cool pokemon behind very end or trades, which meant most kids were SOL. Also introduced fricking baby pokemon, which were a horrible idea.
Gen 3 was great.
Gen 4 was too slow and had too many unnecessary cross-gen evolutions. Also pokemon design looks stupid here, with a few exceptions.
Gen 5 had some great designs, great music, and some of the best spritework in the series. Clear standout for mechanics, too.
Gen 5 alienated a lot of people at launch and it has only become popular once zoomers entered the discourse around the franchise.
Anon, zoomers hate gen 5 because it didn't have any of the gamer cred mon in the main game.
This is laughably false. Most people who suck it off cite the story, even though the story is only appealing to children.
>This is laughably false
If it was /vp/ wouldn't have come into existence.
>Most people who suck it off cite the story
No? Most refer to the gameplay, especially where BW2 is concerned given it has the most varied content of any game.
>No? Most refer to the gameplay, especially where BW2 is concerned given it has the most varied content of any game.
Name one thing innovative about Gen 5 content
The entralink and the co-op gameplay was never done in pokemon prior.
>The entralink and the co-op gameplay was never done in pokemon prior.
The entralink was borderline useless for a lot of people because the DS lite didn't have WPA2-SK compatibility
>The entralink was borderline useless for a lot of people because the DS lite didn't have WPA2-SK compatibility
The entralink was local co-op and the DSi had it. Also next to no one used WPA2-SK at the time.
>Also next to no one used WPA2-SK at the time.
Well I fricking did and I couldn't use WiFi until the 3DS
The pass powers you unlocked through the entralink
Pokestar studios and each movie having multiple endings.
>sucking off contest variant gimmick #1919023
Tell me you're a casual without telling me you're a casual
That would be the musicals.
The fact that it had multiple endings meant that there was more thought put into it than Contests, especially the shitty gen 4 versions.
Oh and join avenue, no other game had that big a collaborative effort.
These gimmicks are a cancer that sucks away dev time away from what people actually play the games for, cope. Also, your region is a fricking circle, and I sure do love visiting the famous new york city desert.
>These gimmicks are a cancer that sucks away dev time away from what people actually play the games for, cope.
And what would that be?
Exploration?
Battling?
Both things that still better in gen 5 than prior games.
>Also, your region is a fricking circle,
Every region is a circle, sometimes they're two circles stuck together.
>and I sure do love visiting the famous new york city desert.
As opposed to the Kansai ice caves?
What about the Hokkaido bogs?
>Both things that still better in gen 5 than prior games.
Lol
>Every region is a circle, sometimes they're two circles stuck together.
LOL
This is why nobody takes unovaborts seriously
>This is why nobody takes unovaborts seriously
Because we have more experience with this franchise and can produce arguments that you have no answer to? Because that's what's happening right now.
I mean, you know Kanto has a massive circle in it, right?
Johto intentionally circles back around. So you can go to the league from new bark
>Because we have more experience with this franchise
homie you were born after the towers fell stfu
Oh, projecting are we?
No, you're very clearly at most 20 years old, black and white was your first game, and you can't handle the fact that it's unpopular and has been since release.
The fact that you don't even remember the shitshow between the release in Japan and worldwide is all I need to know.
>No, you're very clearly at most 20 years old, black and white was your first game, and you can't handle the fact that it's unpopular and has been since release.
>The fact that you don't even remember the shitshow between the release in Japan and worldwide is all I need to know.
Definitely projecting.
Let me guess, you also think there's a conspiracy about people hating gen 2.
Yes, there is. Gen 2 going from one of the most beloved to being shit on by youtubers in less than 2 years is a fricking conspiracy, that is not an organic change in discourse.
>Gen 2 going from one of the most beloved to being shit on by youtubers in less than 2 years
You knocked a zero off the end there anon.
These are criticisms people always had with gen 2. There's a reason pokemania crashed into a brick wall between GS and Crystal and that's because Gen 2 did literally everything wrong.
>Gen 2 going from one of the most beloved
Holy frick it never was. People always talk about Kanto and Hoenn with good, fond memories and when it comes to Johto it's always
>IT HAD TWO REGIONS
>IT HAD RED
It's such a forgettable, unmemorable entry that it's baffling you think it's good. In fact, isn't Crystal the worst selling third version? That alone should say a lot about it.
I'm so glad to learn the unova zoomer defense task force has a presence on Ganker
Most BW fans are from the 90's
Is this some hamfisted attempt at deception or are you actually this delusional?
He's right though.
The youngest group of pokemon players tend to be Sinnoh fans.
Black person you can't even make an argument without projecting your age onto others I don't think you have any legs to accuse someone else of being delusional.
Gen 5 is and always will be the zoomer generation, it came out when most zoomers were in the target age range for the games. Literally frick off with this shit, you're fooling nobody.
Get better taste.
>Gen 5 is and always will be the zoomer generation
Nah, gen 5 was explicitly designed with older players in mind with them even going so far as to age the protags up from the usual 11.
>Get better taste
Ah, now your true colors are starting to show. You just don't like a good, well designed gen and pretend this has anything to do with generational issues. I invite you to form an argument that actually has any weight as to why you don't like Gen 5.
>You just don't like a good, well designed gen
I do, and that's why I dislike gen 5. You guys are the fricking bronies of the pokemon community, you shit up discourse with your homosexualry to the point that we despise you. The only pokemon posters worse than unovaborts are the weird frickers who liked gen 8
>You guys are the fricking bronies of the pokemon community
That would imply bronies are civil and don't want to frick the horses.
>No attempt at an argument whatsoever
>Implying Gen 8 has any fans that aren't Marnie coomers
Get some medical help. I even went through Gold and Crystal recently again and I can tell you it straight up has several areas that are a downgrade from Gen 1. Also Johto as a region is bad and boring, genuinely don't see the appeal.
>NOOOOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE CONTENT THAN THE MAIN QUEST
You're a lying homosexual. Gen 5 is THE zoomer Gen. It came out right as modern zoomers started growing up. I was born in 2003 and so I was 7-8 when BW came out.
>I was born in 2003 and so I was 7-8 when BW came out.
And yet you hate it thus proving my point.
I loved it on release though, and most people my age still do.
>one example proves your point
Lol.
I was born in 99 and you're full of shit. I already told you this has nothing to do with generational issues and I don't get why you keep hitting that same old note.
EVERYONE hated gen 5 at first due to the lack of older mons/soft reboot shit. It being the peek due to "muh battle facilities" is retrovism shit
>EVERYONE hated gen 5 at first due to the lack of older mons/soft reboot shit
If that were the case /vp/ wouldn't exist. It came out of the hype for gen 5.
> It being the peek due to "muh battle facilities" is retrovism shit
Wut. No one said that.
>2nd gen locks all cool pokemon behind very end or trades, which meant most kids were SOL. Also introduced fricking baby pokemon, which were a horrible idea.
You forgot most of the mons in Johto are Kantomons and the distribution of the new ones is atrocious, so if you played Gen 1 you're just not gonna have a whole lot to work with if you planned to use only new mons
>goes into detail for the "flaws" for gens 1, 2, and 4 while gen 3 and 5 just get called great with no elaboration or analysis for their gameplay
Classic HoennUnovatard
Let's be honest, no matter what he said it would have sent you onto a frothing rage
It was good until Gen 6
Gen 1-2: golden age
Gen 3-5: stagnation
Gen 6-7: decline
Gen 8 onwards: shit
I don't think people can find many things wrong with the early games. Sure, there were technical problems, but they were pretty minor and there was no big gap between expectations and reality given the hardware. When the series became rehash central during the DS days, the games were still really fun and packed with content, so it's hard to give them shit for that. That said, even if you want to give Game Freak the benefit of the doubt for the 3DS games, there's just no excuse for the Switch. It takes a special kind of moron to defend the current state of the series.
>I don't think people can find many things wrong with the early games
That depends on what you consider a problem. Like dungeon design was horrendously basic and was even worse in GSC.
For a game about exploration and collecting that's a major issue.
Given the other stuff available in the Game Boy, it really wasn't that big of an issue. You couldn't reasonably expect them to pull out SNES tier game design out of the hardware. If the games were originally made for the N64 or GCN, then that would be a solid argument against them.
It genuinely baffles me how people tolerated gen 8 and lost their shit on gen 9 even though 9 is better in every way
scarlet and violet are good games emulated in pc with less bugs
You will never be a real Pokemon game. You have no content, you have no quality, you have no replayability. You are a shitty game twisted by poor design decisions into a crude mockery of Pokemon's perfection. All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your creators are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors. Real fans are utterly repulsed by you. Dozens of years of good games have allowed players to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even ROM hacks that are “good” look uncanny and unnatural to a real. Your graphics are a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a bored player to play you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your abhorrent, transgressive gameplay. You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your creators will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a shit game is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a generation that is clearly garbage.
>100 new pokemon
>Most of the region is just Kantomons that vastly surpass Johtomons
Meanwhile in BW
>Whole region is composed of new mons
>Sequel brings back old mons into the mix of the region
region is composed of new mons
You mean a dex full of 95% copy pasted kanto mons?
But enough about Johto
Frick off you little shit
That's more of note than Johto did lmao
The more think about it the more you realise what a downgrade Johto was from gen 1
>overworld sprites were downgraded
>Safari zone was cut
>Kanto was butchered
Also it's funny how underutilised Johto pokemon were. I mean, you have a flying type gym leader as the first one and you DON'T give him the early route bird?
>and you DON'T give him the early route bird?
He does though.
No he doesn't.
He has a Pidgey and Pidgeotto, Johto's early bird was Hoothoot.
Well considering that Kanto infested Johto it wouldn't be incorrect to say Pidgey is the early bird of Johto lmao
It was pretty fun up to gen 4 (excluding DP)
There's 5 good Pokémon games ., I've forgotten what they ate though besides the obvious
Crystal is a third version dumb moron also they removed the Ampharos line in it borderline criminal design decision.
Crystal is a sequel to RBY.
the frick? crystal aint a direct sequel, its the definitive edition of gen 2
god i fricking love bw2
that mewtwo is literally just the mega evolution lmao
I would use the Charizard, Nidoking, Arcanine and Celebi in a hearbeat. To be fair, I'd also prefer that Machoke over Machamp, I never evolve my Machokes because I like the humanoid form instead of 4 arms.
So I consider Gen V good enough. Rhyperior, Electivire and Magmortar are some of my favorites.
But the other half of the roster isn't as cool and you get goofy shit like that Gengar
>Rhyperior, Electivire and Magmortar are some of my favorites.
That's gen 4.
But then again that image does accurately depict gen 4 designs more.
Huh yes actually, the half that I DO like is Gen 4. The goofy as shit half I dislike representes Gen 5. Stuff like Emboar or Conkeldurr are just too much for me, that's Gen5 and what Gengar / Hitmonlee were parodying
They're all supposed to be gen 4 versions anon.
Holy frick my mind has been blown
>Low encounter rate
>Those that aren't are complete shitters that pale to Kantomoms that fill most of the region
>Kanto has those two mons but their levels are so pathetically low you won't put them on your team
>Not even putting slugma in your picture
Unironically whoever made this picture should kill themselves
>hgss didn't fix any of the flaws of the origi-
Stuffing them all into the safari zone doesn't fix the distribution issue.
N-NOOOOOOOOOOOOO DELETE THIS!
YOU CAN ONLY CATCH JOHTO POKEMON IN THE POSTGAME I SWEAR!
The first 2 games were very good for the time. R/S was okay for the time. Everything after that was outdated and bad. None of them hold up today.
We posting favorites? Also genies are cool, love Therian Thundurus especially
I'll give you zoomer shits some credit, I do like chandelure, but it's a needle in a haystack of shit
Dunno why you would insist on the Zoomer shit, I like mons across all gens, objectmons are really cool in Gen 5 overall
He's projecting, he already admitted to being born in 2003.
You realize you've been arguing with multiple different people, right?
You have, we haven't.
You're always the only one who shits on gen 5 like this yawngay.
Plus if you weren't born in 2003 you wouldn't be violently shitting your pants over this.
Until gen 5 my only favorite was Dusclops but then it gave me my rape ape bro
Loved finding this guy in the desert sitting as his Zen form, Desert overall had a lot of good encounters from Braviary to Sandile and the whole Volcarona dungeon
It almost makes me sad that every discussion about gen 5 ends in older players kicking the shit out of the zoomer homosexuals
Why? I mean, it just causes zoomers to sperg out and spam like this guy
Shit's hilarious.
I was thinking about it recently and I realized the reason the new games aren't good is because there's no real reason to evolve Pokemon anymore, which was the entire reason to engage with the shitty combat system. Now that you can easily catch evolved Pokemon walking around outside why the frick level anything up?
Don't even get me started on this colossal piece of shit
Let's not forget the overt homoeroticism they stuck into Black and White for some fricking reason
gen 5 was good
Unova is also notable for having the most generic fricking dragon types ever conceived, being this and Haxorus
Hey frick you, haxorus was a solid pokemon until gen 6 fricked up his legs.
Frick you Haxorus is great.
Black and White and X and Y are absolutely inexcusable for how outdated they were on release. Black and white came out in 2010, this was 1 year before Skyrim released for example, and it still played like a fricking gameboy game from the 90s.
The world and creatures are fascinating, as is navigating through HMs.
But I still like Pokemon. Tandemaus is adorable.
It was funny seeing this one show up as 000 in the Pokedex back then
>last event pokemon with a location
Feels bad man.
Victini was cool, probably my favorite mythic of the small ones
>event was back in 2011
man, 12 years...
13.
Gen 5 was the last gen to not be released simultaneously.
No more regional differences were a mistake
Oh yeah Gen 5 also had a lot of good Bug types, pretty much the generation that made the collective typing not absolute shit
You know, if they make more green 5 regional mon I would kill for a shelmet and karrablast one.
I mean, Karrablast is begging for a dark knight evo but I don't know what you would do for Accelgor.
you could tell they were at least trying with the games until pic related
CONFESSION:
X and Y was the last time I ever enjoyed a mainline Pokémon game.
gen 1-4 were good then they started making mutt regions and letting westerners making creature designs and killed the series
Careful, you'll upset the children
This is such a dogshit take I'm impressed you even had the audacity to post this you mouth breathing moron. have a nice day, now.
Hey moron, oranguru is a gen 7 pokemon, not gen 5
The post didn't specify Gen 5 in their autistic, dogshit take. Most of Gen 4 is fricking ugly to boot, frick you.
I saved an image off from Google now have a nice day.
Go back
muttnova is ugly dysgenic garbage. the series died in 2009
Your mother should have aborted.
your mother did abort but you slithered out of the bucket
I agree unova is ugly, but the gameplay was the best.
there was powercreep for sure, but the tools you had felt fresh and pretty varied
>Great use of 3D
>Interesting looking locations
>Great character designs
>Best aesthetics in Pokemon period
>a lot of good Pokemon designs
>Stands on its own two legs without requiring any other region
BW is a masterpiece among the Pokemon franchise.
swooping camera shots of low poly 3d buildings in a sprite based game is just ugly. the dex is filled with ugly dog shit designs. wtf are you talking about
lel cry you obese homosexual
>plebbit filename
why are muttnovaborts like this
RBY were the only good single player games. Everything else is so piss easy it's not even worth playing. The pvp is really fun though so I still enjoy the franchise.
The best feature of the Pokémon games is that all the pokémon you have can be transferred over from the previous games to the newest one.
...and then Game Freak and TPCI took that away from us.
>create a better transfer app where payment is 100% optional
>remove a massive chunk of mon
GF
Pokemon is the only good RPG to come out of japan. The rest is shitty weebshit while Pokemon has universal appeal. It has the most memorable and timeless creatures in any game. It's easy to hate on Pokemon because it's popular. I don't like the switch games myself but I enjoy all the previous games in varying degrees.
>The rest is shitty weebshit while Pokemon has universal appeal
Define weebshit
Do you know what a weeb is? Anything only they like without general appeal.
Anon, I'm asking YOU to define it.
It's shit only japanophiles like. Extra moron today, aren't we.
>It's shit only japanophiles like
Wow, I actually do have to say it outright. In never thought someone would be this dense.
Okay, what makes pokemon different from a western inspired "weeb" game like triangle strategy for example.
>what makes pokemon different from a western inspired "weeb" game like triangle strategy
normal people know what pokemon is
That doesn't mean a thing anon. If you're basing it on lack of popularity then something like Vagrant Story would be considered a weeb game.
>Vagrant Story would be considered a weeb game
it is
It's not. It's a very western inspired game.
Brand really pushed Gen 1 games to success. Gen 2 was really solid overall as a game and they did pretty good until gen4
Pokemon is the RPG that hides the fact that it's "select Attack to win" the best.
When discussing or even flat out shitting on pokemon, its really important to distinguish the campaign vs the competitive scene
they have both declined either way, but they started with different flaws and thats where people get so tripped up. I really liked the platinum campaign and I have never touched competitive. unova was fun and then it just went downhill
honestly the peak of the entire franchise was mystery dungeon time/dark/sky
>all these fellow PMDbros in this thread
Truly my homies.
ironically, gen 4 was when competitive was at its peak
>honestly the peak of the entire franchise was mystery dungeon time/dark/sky
You're dick is at least 3 feet long flaccid
Nobody likes pokemon reborn?
Bonus point for not having to give shekels to asiatics.
It's 90% the first 2 gens holding this entire iP up.
While it aged poorly, there’s a reason gen 1 sold gangbusters, it was phenomenal game for it’s time, and gen 2 took everything in gen 2 to the moon. Gen 3 to me was kind of letdown but still solid and still beloved by many people. The games were stagnant for the most part after that and fell off a cliff with gen 6 and beyond. The mega franchise was still birthed from 2 amazing games though (RBY and GSC).
>and gen 2 took everything in gen 2 to the moon.
I wish, it almost killed everything
>I wish, it almost killed everything
Literally how?
>constant delays
>anime in filler hell because of it
>lukewarm response from fans claiming "it's just more of the same"
>merch sales dropping
Johto gained fans later on in life with HGSS but back in the day it wasn't looked on very fondly.
It basically murdered pokemania prematurely to make way for the wave of other collectable franchises at the time like yugioh and beyblade.
That said they did manage to claw back up with gen 3 rather than becoming the Sonic of monster tamers.
Yeah nice try homosexual, anybody can look at archives of usenet from that time
>anybody can look at archives of usenet from that time
Anon, usenet is more niche than we were back when this site was made. People liking it there doesn't mean everyone does because you're more likely to find circlejerks online especially in the halcyon days of the Internet.
It doesn't change the fact that the fad was murdered because of how poorly the gen was handled.
Black person the game was a resounding financial and critical success. It sold gangbusters, and was an extremely innovative sequel, especially by today’s standards. Day/night cycles, trading with gen 1, revisiting Kanto, etc. all features gen 3 cut btw. Criticisms about the level curve didn’t even emerge until about 5 years ago homosexual, show me it being discussed at the time. It’s just historical revisionism to claim those games were not well received by the fanbase.
>and was an extremely innovative sequel
That's the problem, it's not and we all knew that back then when we couldn't play the game when and how we wanted because of arbitrary limitations that RBY didn't have like time and removing the evo stones from stores.
Aside from day/night cycles gen 3 lost nothing from scrapping everything else. Gen 2 had a lot of redundant content and little to offer of interest in the Overworld. Also won't forgive them for making Waterfall, frick this redundant piece of shit move it serves no purpose as an HM other than climbing a wall of water to get to the Elite 4, which already requires you to have badges to get to.
I can't believe Gen 4 has both Waterfall and Rock Climb, what the frick were they thinking.
you forgot the victory road
>literally impossible to solo original Sinnoh because Victory Road requires like SIX out of the eight HMs
I remember I hated exploring Sinnoh for this, bless Bibarel for being a great HM slave but he can only carry 4 unfortunately.
>Day/night cycles, trading with gen 1, revisiting Kanto, etc. all features gen 3 cut btw.
They're also not exactly positives.
Day and night cycles only made the game tedious and Kanto was mutilated instead of them trying to make Johto stand on its own.
>Criticisms about the level curve didn’t even emerge until about 5 years ago
Which is wrong, they've always existed hell despite the fact that the old archives were lost you can still find complaints in the new one going back to 2015.
You'd probably find more if we could go back to HGSS' release.
But hey, it's just "historical revisionism" right?
>Day and night cycles only made the game tedious
How is not encountering the same three pokemon everroute tedious?
>How is not encountering the same three pokemon everroute tedious?
Because it made you encounter the same three pokemon every route and saved the other two until night which would replace certain day pokemon.
Why do Johtoddlers always claim that Johto criticism only came up recently?
No one complained about Johto back in 99-00 aside from Kanto cave regions being simplified. But then again in those years a pokemon could murder someone's family and the kid would just be excited he got to see a real pokemon. The brainwashing was real.
>the brainwashing was real
tfw the satanic panic when in Japan there was a literal "summon your demon buddies to save the world" game and the only reason nobody said anything is because during pokemania's heyday, the only SMT games localized was fricking Jack Bros, that one Last Bible game and Persona 1: American edition
Despite the fact that you can prove criticism of gen 2 has been around for years more than they claim all they really have is claiming it didn't happen because its easier than trying to bullshit an argument.
>all features gen 3 cut btw
hoenn has time-based events as well you fricking moron
what's actually morond is they cut it for FRLG remakes so getting espeon/umbreon requires TWO games at minimum (either get it from orre and trade it over, or grab one from FRLG and trade it into RSE which has the clock)
you know what actually sucked? no ditto in ruby and sapphire.
G/S/C outsold every generation since. And it was widely beloved until zoomers came around and started hating on it. You weren’t around at the time if you think otherwise. G/S/C we’re phenomenal and innovative games for their time. Modern Pokémon is outdated, stale, garbage created solely for corporate profit and people reflexively hate on the earlier gens when this is pointed out.
>G/S/C we’re phenomenal and innovative games for their time
Not really hard when your prequel is a literal broken mess. And even then it did worse than Kanto at balancing their game and overall Mon distribution and even simple QoL like the Mall having evolution stones. GSC is a miraculous, empty game that only exists because Iwata had to teach a bunch of hacks how to optimize code.
Sadly they still use the same code to this day.
>Sadly they still use the same code to this day.
No they don't. They scrapped pretty much everything except for some pokemon backsprites when they were making gen 3.
Talking about gen 3 onwards. You still see code for items from past gens that didn't make it to the recent ones which is just laughably lazy. It's unoptimized garbage.
Show me a game boy game that is 1/10th as relevant today as RBY is? There’s a reason those games endured. The level curve and mon distributions in GSC are modern criticisms and minor nitpicks to a game that was released 25 years ago. For the time they were released in, they were phenomenal games. In contrast, modern Pokémon games shocking stale, out of date, and lazy for their time.
>Show me a game boy game that is 1/10th as relevant today as RBY is?
For pokemon or in general?
And how are you defining that? By sales or how often they're talked about?
>Show me a game boy game that is 1/10th as relevant today as RBY is?
This doesn't make them any less broken games you know that right?
>The level curve and mon distributions in GSC are modern criticisms and minor nitpicks to a game that was released 25 years ago
Most of the people that played GSC were kids back then so it's only natural to look back on them and be able to judge them through a mind that just doesn't blindly consume over a brand.
>For the time they were released in, they were phenomenal games
There was literally no other monster colethaton series to compete with it worldwide. They hit jackpot with a niche that people today still struggle to hold a candle to.
>In contrast, modern Pokémon games shocking stale, out of date, and lazy for their time
I won't deny that, Gen 7 tried to inovate the gym formula and tried making boss monsters cool again, but this didn't return with 8 and the way they executed it in 9 is just bad.
However, you're also looking away from Legends Arceus, which is the most ambitious game in a while for the Pokemon franchise.
>G/S/C outsold every generation since
Anon, it was riding the coattails of gen 1 and sold as a new gbc exclusive despite being compatible with the original. Of course it was going to sell well
>Modern Pokémon is outdated, stale, garbage created solely for corporate profit
Which is exactly how we older fans felt at the time.
It was just more of the same with no significant changes to the gameplay born not of passion but because the first was so successful.
And this is the part where you claim they poured their heart into it thinking it was their last game.
>anime in filler hell
I like this /vp/ meme from zoomers, "filer" means nothing in a show like pokemon, the episodes were still experimental/unique at that point due to Shudo, and none of the "filler arcs" are even close to the longest stretch of episodes without gyms of later seasons/series.
>I like this /vp/ meme from zoomers, "filer" means nothing in a show like pokemon
Is what zoomers believe but in reality the anime followed the release of the games closely and they wrapped up the indigo league because GS were supposed to release in 98 but that didn't happen and they had to fill out almost an entire year and thus the orange island arc was born with some of the worst animation in the history of the series and some absolutely moronic gimmicks like pinkan berries.
>and none of the "filler arcs" are even close to the longest stretch of episodes without gyms of later seasons/series.
Are you moronic?
There are two true filler arcs in the pokemon anime.
The orange island arc with 36 episodes
And the Battle frontier arc with 47.
Do you know how long an average arc is in pokemon?
I can't fricking believe transfer-only moves are gone.
not only is National Dex gone but they went and doubled down on their moroneness, there's no point in transferring Pokemon anymore aside from what, the ribbons?
it's the sequel to gen 3 soft reboot, except this time it's on purpose. on one hand that kills all the stupid event-only sets like wish chansey from g3, but also I hope you didn't like weird shit like Sucker Punch Electrode or Psycho Boost Lugia
>all the zoomers ITT lecturing people about eras of pokemania they weren't even around for
Fricking grim, this is why nobody likes you broccoli haired overgrown afterbirths
>could make an mmo and make billions
nah man, let's just make the exact same game for the 37th time
but anon, how they're gonna sell all the new pokemon for 60 dollars each time?
GF can't even make a single player game anymore with it shitting itself, and you expect them to run a global server?
They can't even do trading right, rip GTS
>We are now at the "___ was never good" stage
Yeah, that tracks
It may sound stupid but I genuinely believe many people form psuedo bonds with their neat looking pokemon almost like pets and as long as pokemon company churns out at least a decent amount of not completely shit designs every dex people will buy the games. That and the game does have some nuance to its battle systems and they have only gotten better with time. Any moron who thinks pokemon was better without abilities or physical/special split shouldn't be listened to.
>The games were never good
Pokemon isn't a masterpiece but it isn't a bad game. But I agree with the people saying that new games are "undercooked", dexcut was a mistake because you take away "the magic" and also how the recent games have cyberpunk tier glitches
>The concept
The concept is basically wienerfighting but adapted for the children and its nice how they managed to do it. I like it but I find weird that at least as far as I know there isn't a game about fantasy wienerfighting that isn't limited by that. I would love a game based on "Beastie fights"
Please help before the thread dies should I play emerald or fire red?