Was Ugly Sonic a marketing stunt?
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I'm sure planning a whole line of merch was part of the stunt, yes.
To throw people off.
It's like two toys and some printed shit.
And do you have any idea how much that shit costs to produce? These weren't just prototypes-- shit actually got made, man. Even if it was "cheap", that's still over a $100k worth of merch to produce JUST to "throw people off" the scent of their giga-galaxy-brained marketing stunt of the century. But let's say that's true: How do you convince a group of executives to go along with this? What if it fails and no one cares anyway? Do you seriously expect a bunch of israelites in Hollywood to pay THAT much for the mere possibility of gaining attention for their project out of sheer outrage? Yes, outrage bait does exist, but it's not just some Twitter posting we're talking about here. There's a not-insignificant investment involved. Now, if they hadn't shelled out thousands of dollars for merchandising, I could maybe, MAYBE, entertain this theory, but as it is? It's "take your meds NOW" tier drooling moron conspiracy theory. Shitting christ, I can't believe I still have to explain this to you mouth-breathing mongoloids.
>When Sonic Mania turned out to be a massive success - especially over Sonic Forces which Iizuka GENUINELY thought was going to be one of the best games in Sonic's history while Sonic Mania would flop
This is another theory that requires Sega to throw money at a project it "knows" will fail, just to prove their own superiority. Not even in the craziest of times during the 90s era of Sega of Japan vs. America coorporate political shitflinging would something like this ever happen. It doesn't even make sense, either. Iizuka was the one that came up with the idea of making Mania a full game. Originally, it was just a handful of stages. Please frick off with this horseshit already, it's been almost eight years now. Literally the only reason why we didn't get Mania 2 was because Taxman and co. didn't want to be underpaid by Sega. That's it. They moved onto other projects and we got Superstars instead. You have to let it go.
>a company would never do something so self sabotaging
Hard to say. Remember how LucasArts killed the 95% complete Battlefront game Pandemic was working on because some exec at LucasArts just personally disliked Pandemic for some reason? Never underestimate the power of hubris, arrogance, and pettiness.
Disney did that after the buyout.
In what part of that stupid story is this a jumpstart of a franchise?
Paramount and Sega are not exactly Disney BTW, they did not have frick you money.
My point was that it's silly to be have that companies behave rationally and wouldn't do pants on head moronic stuff like shipping ugly CGI Sonic. And even companies with money to burn don't just blow it for fun. Disney is fricking ruthless about its P&Ls or was until it got on the ESG train and said frick profits, and underperforming stuff gets axed.
I'm anxiously awaiting the IDW series continuing the main storyline in May, because Surge should be a big part of it. She fricking better be, anyway
If they make her a flawed, arrogant villainess with some real screws loose, then yeah, I'll be hoping for that too. Maybe then this comic series would be worth the read.
>arrogant, flawed
She is exactly both of those things, with a side of schizo since she's haunted by visions of Dr. Starline. If you haven't go read that miniseries with her origin story in it. Fricking way darker than I was expecting.
The little bags on the feet creep me out more than I thought.
I dunno, I saw bits of her origin, but I felt she overcame Starline way too quickly. She just turned that Topaz around on him in just a couple issues after she first came on the scene. I'll consider it.
She still hallucinates Starline calling her weak and powerless now and then.
If you haven't read the miniseries (four issues, I think) that's 100% about her and Kit, get on that. There's some website, grabber.zone or something weird, where you can just read all of the IDW issues for free because some sonic autist is uploading the scans. Hasn't gotten nuked yet, last I checked.
It took Starline 300 attempts to brainwash her and only 20 for Kit.
I don't want to get into a debate, but you know how it goes when it comes to games, movies and comics too:
"Show, don't tell."
Like have her under Starline's total control for a period time that's longer than a few panels, ya know? PTSD only does so much. Call it a nitpick if you want, but strong characters need to have strong flaws and those flaws need to be apparent, imo.
They also had a brand deal with Puma I believe since he was wearing them in the original trailer.
i shouldve bought some because in 20 years autistic teenagers will be obsessing over the ugly sonic design and hoarding any evidence of its existence
>hoarding any evidence of its existence
He had a major cameo in that bizarre Chip 'n' Dale movie that's basically an officially released parody of Chip 'n' Dale.
that movie was pretty mid but it had its funny moments.
What pisses me off the most is how all the "2D" characters were just cheap cel-shaded 3D so the contrast of 3D vs 2D got lost
you know what i mean. in time therell be youtubers making videos about the time they made sonic UGLY and itll be a niche little thing. like how people talk about the new coke disaster today.
hate sonic
hate sonicgays
but this is tragic. happy they fixed Sanic for you kids
You're forgetting we're you are and how the schizos here think everything is part of some bigger conspiracy
So pay them no mind?
>You're forgetting we're you
...and you call other people schizo? Holy disassociation
>Was Ugly Sonic a marketing stunt?
No.
1. They had merch ready to go
2. Jim Carrey got butthurt about the change, equating it to an artist with a vision caving to undeserving fans (seriously)
3. There's a few spots in the final film where they forgot to swap out ugly Sonic. Look at his reflection in the kitchen scene late in the movie (and I doubt it was done as a joke)
4. There's a plot point where Sonic has a sticky bomb stuck to his hand and he acts as if he cannot take off his glove. Ugly Sonic had no gloves so it makes more sense that Ugly Sonic was the intended design.
Jim needs to get over himself for that. Even test audiences, the normies of the normies hated that shit design. If it was just the loud ass Sonic fans that hated it, he might have a point, but it seems pretty obvious that Ugly Sonic was some out of touch Hollywood bozzo's idea of a laugh.
>Sonic if he REAL
It was never going to fly.
He's got a list of things he needs to get over. Guy's a nut.
This Smurfs-the-movie "Sonic comes to our world" bullshit should have never happened in the first place. Should have been set in the adventure universe where humans and anthros(?) have always lived alongside each other.
it's gotta be heckin' relatable to the audience
it's why monster hunter was an isekai, that and to get u.s. military bucks
>This Smurfs-the-movie "Sonic comes to our world" bullshit should have never happened in the first place. Should have been set in the adventure universe where humans and anthros(?) have always lived alongside each other.
It would have failed, if that happened. And they'd probably waste far too much money on SFX without the means of recouping those costs at the box office.
they needed to bring in normies more than they needed to bring in sonic fans
they just needed sonic fans to be happy they listened and changed the design
I'll never understand the logic of making a character look unrecognizable just because the movie takes place in a realistic environment, especially if it's something like Sonic where he's clearly from a different world. Why make the character look like some abomination when you have free liberty to design them however you want?
"Realism" is apparently a thing that attracts moviegoers, according to these morons.
The answer is really simple. EGO These frickers actually think that they MUST make it look absolutely distinguishable from the other media that features them to be able to claim that this is THEIR version of the character. It isn't about pleasing fans so that the movie does well. It is always about themselves, this is why people get into Hollywood in the first place, it's about making their mark on society and that includes being notorious.
Nolanism, or the idea of trying to make something cartoony and outlandish "work" in a realistic setting.
This will always be amusing to me since Nolan's adaptations of "silly" material can be just as ridiculous in their own way.
The Batmobile apparently isn't realistic enough, but general audiences are willing to buy Batman driving around a giant tank with a rocket exhaust on the back instead.
Because making it look like a mildly modified military tank is all it takes to make it feel practical.
That's because most Hollywood people see vidya as beneath them and therefore they must change it since it must be flawed.
>Jim Carrey got butthurt about the change, equating it to an artist with a vision caving to undeserving fans (seriously)
Jim can "Carrey" these nuts in his mouth. An argument can be made for disrupting a vision when you make an actual good design and get forced to change it, the original movie design was fricking disgusting.
knowing how over the top Jimbo is, i can believe he said that, but... do you have any proof?
>do you have any proof?
You'll have to dig around for that. I'm basically referring to one quip he said at one convention around the time he was promoting the first movie.
No, thanks for the honest answer.
>There's a few spots in the final film where they forgot to swap out ugly Sonic. Look at his reflection in the kitchen scene late in the movie (and I doubt it was done as a joke)
Are there pics of this? Honestly never heard or noticed this before.
same I can't find it online either
Skipped ahead to the kitchen scene to verify, both in the mirror and on the table(pic related and when he's laying down), it's the new model. They even caught it when he's zipping around the room after waking up.
That's the spot. It was the old model in the mirror for the theatrical release and initial DVD release. I remember noticing it on the DVD after someone on either Ganker or Ganker pointed it out. Guess I'll have to do some real research to back it up now.
Huh. Don't have a DVD to check, but remembered I had the iTunes copy for some reason. Seems they fixed it there too, kinda hard to tell with the dogshit SD quality.
Yeah and this was a redbox rental. So who knows if it's even on the currently available physical release. oh god it's gonna be a lost media thing
A recording of the movie taken at the theatre would probably have it.
Looks like he's about to attack that woman
>well? it ain't going to suck itself
>Jim Carrey got butthurt about the change, equating it to an artist with a vision caving to undeserving fans (seriously)
Jim Carrey is crazy, but also a genius, im unable to understand which persona of his was against it, and even less the chain of thoughts behind it, guy is like 5-D chess.
Like you said, 5-D chess.
He wanted to do the movie but it not be popular enough to get a sequel so he could retire.
Instead now it's got a third movie coming out and he's feeling dragged out of retirement to do it again so he doesn't let his grandkids down or some shit. That's why he mandated he won't do it unless he gets to wear a fatsuit in the third one.
>That's why he mandated he won't do it unless he gets to wear a fatsuit in the third one
Giga based
>spend millions developing movie
>release trailer
>fans bully you into changing it
>spend millions more to fix it
There was a big lesson to be learned for so many.
I have to imagine that the design was at least internally contested before the trailer came out. If everyone with decision making power was behind ugly sonic I don't think they would have switched so easily.
No
Iirc somebody internally said that they knew ugly sonic would be hated but they thought it would be by a minority of fanboys and that they'd get shouted down by the public at large. Yes, they literally thought that they could weaponize "UGH YALL TOXIC INCEL GAMERS NEED TO SHUT UP AND STOP CARING"
Its this. "Yeah, fans hated our Transformers and Ninja Turtles redesigns too, but normal people got used to it."
As it turns out, everyone loves Sonic.
We've just been hurt too many times by shitty releases.
It helps that it was just so monumentally bad that even late night comedians were ripping on it.
The new one is ugly too /THREAD
shut the frick up bro
no cause he still looks ugly in the final product
No, executives are just dumb. Read the Sony leaks.
This.
It's incredible how so many shizos see these companies as some very high IQ strategist who're able to identify consumer reaction and are able to act accordingly to their needs to get the best outcome. In reality they're dumb as frick most of the time. The company execs aren't in touch with the normal person, so they fricked up because they thought it was "good enough" but when the fans compained, they changed it as soon as possible to appease their costumer base, which was historic to see because we don't see hollywood ever responding to costumer reaction. So everyone liked that they actually responded. So it was combination of incompetence, dumb luck and actually being responsive to their costumers instead of calling them racists or some shit which made it successful.
Also I work in the film industry, a lot of these fricks are cheap as frick and aren't going to spend 10s of millions of dollars on a fluke chance that a fake design might give a good reaction and redesign will give them a good response/money. It's a huge gamble they aren't going to risk. The marketing team, design team, 3d artists/animators all that aren't really working together. Also it's a real pain in the ass to re-do shit again and have it go through the iteration process again through your leads and supervisors, but this time faster due to faster deadlines (only 3 months extension). It's just a lot of time consuming and money.
And if it were all faked, we would've known by now.
I'd add they got real fricking lucky that Sonic has enough autismo fans in various places to correct it.
Otherwise the history of Sega and their attempts to remake the cash in that chipmunk movie speaks enough.
Absolutely, it was ridiculous to see morons twisting themselves into pretzels convinced of the conspiracy and not that the studio execs were just fricking moronic themselves.
It's honestly shocking that they actually made the effort to redesign him. They unironically saved the movie by choosing not to be stuck up arogant buttholes. More people could learn from this.
>we don't see hollywood ever responding to costumer reaction
idk they literally added lines to Snakes on a Plane based on Ganker memes
Nobody knew Ganker in 2004.
Good thing Snakes on a Plane came out in 2006 then
And when was "Snakes on a Plane" settled as the actual release title anon?
>They inserted Ganker meme lines on the release date
Stop being terminally online
Snakes on a Plane was to be titled Pacific Air Flight 121 until it was changed back to Snakes on a Plane, the working title.
Mostly at the behest of Samuel L. Jackson. He said he wasn't going to participate in the project if they didn't revert the name.
Honestly, one of the earliest instances that the internet could influence movies. I remember when this stupid meme hit the web. I don't know where it originated from. But it was making rounds on websites with the 'Snakes on a Plane' news. This image is the reason why he says "mother frickin snakes" in the movie.
Nah. He didn't say that. It's the other way around. Samuel Jackson was well known to say Motherfricker in every movie. The meme is made based on how Samuel Jackson behaves in movies, not Samuel Jackson looking at some Ganker meme and then using that. One of his most popular motherfricker was from Pulp Fiction.
This. They're extremely out of touch. Much of what drives executives and shareholders is sheer ignorance, not hatred.
qrd please?
Go back
Are you going to answer or not?
>Thought-provoking
>Avoid socio-political themes
Do you remember the Will Smith film "After Earth", directed by M Night Shyamalan? Well execs apparently thought it was going to be a massive blockbuster.
They always are.
Fpbp.
Just look at all the cancellations at Warner Bros. Look at the Game of Thrones reboot at HBO. Look at Fallout at Amazon.
They purposefully change things because they believe fans want to see something different instead of what they actually are hoping to see.
Nintendo has been doing this for years and it's driving me nuts. Thankfully they're gradually coming to their senses, but they made star collection less fun in mario odyssey by going breadth over depth, they made mario golf manual entries piss easy and broke putting, they ruined paper mario, they went full moron for a bit with mario party. The only thing they didn't manage to completely frick up was mario kart. This idea that same is bad when people like it and want more needs to end.
Got it on the fifth. Hollywood execs really are just that incredibly clueless.
From the same studio that gave us this.
And people seriously want to give them the benefit of the doubt that this was some marketing ploy.
Tbf, I warmed up to the turtle movies cause the designs still give homage to each turtle's personality. However, you cant do that shit with more set in stone designs like Sonic. They werent even trying with that first rendition.
I mean like the turtles have changed a bunch of times. Look at the shitty 90's live action movies too. The last 2-3 cartoons have looked like shit and flopped.
Last 1 cartoon.
ok no just no NOW YOU WILL SHUT THE FRICK BOCO this is crossing the line. Everything post 01 has been trash minus the games.
You didn't like the 2003 series?
......'s first four seasons anyway?
I meant 03 clearly a typo anon
Eh, the first season of the Nick show was good. Then they changed writers and it never recovered.
>Look at the shitty 90's live action movies too.
What the frick
yeh he's fricking moronic. The live action movies are the only turtles media worth a damn
the suits were cool as frick the plot in all 3 was horrid. Srsly how did no die fricking wearing those suits I mean just look at that shit HOW DO YOU FRICKING BREATH HOW DO YOU GET RID OF HEAT AND SWEAT. OH WAIT YOU DONT HOW DID NO ONE DIE.
The guy behind them knew what he was doing.
oh my fricking god was it really jim henson this was like what the last movie he worked on CURSEDD
He was kinda checked out after Labyrinth And Dark Crystal both bombed.
Shame too dark crystal was kino dude was one hell of an artist shame it was just too much for normals at least it got a cult following
Labyrinth was uh yeah....
TMNT was some of his greatest work
The World needs far more people like him.
His workshop's still got it in terms of practical effects, script quality notwithstanding.
Good to know, I figured his workshop was shuttered.
your joking right? jim henson company are like still rolling in bank. They get called on to any big project that needs work with anything involving animatronics/puppets/real sfx. Then you have you know the largest childs show in the world thats in like 20 something countries all doing their own thing.....
Disney only owns the muppets or someshit now thankfully his family has been based and not ruined what he created by selling out KINDA one of his sons is a hack and moron.
Yeah, I haven't really been keeping tabs, I figured the old quality practical effects were canned by companies like Disney by now. lol. But I'm glad I was mistaken. As for his hack son, hopefully the other one reigns him in before he does any real damage.
he has like 5 kids they all control the company, selling the muppets to disney was a real shit move tho. Also it seems people are starting to use real effects again because you know everything being shitty 3D looks so god damn jarring and fake. Like I dont even bothing watching shit thats 90% greenscreen cause it looks like ass.
Well shit, Disney needs to draw in an audience somehow, nothing they have done in the past decade has worked well. Practical effects have always been better than this cgi shit. Hopefully you're right.
>season 2 literally never
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the world became a darker place when he passed away
The frick are you talking about? The first one had a well executed and paced plot about broken families. Your production complaint is also irrelevant.
yeah it seems Im mixing the movie up thinking the third was the first movie. its all kinda blurring together.
That's because you're a fricking sperg moron typing stupid questions in all caps.
TMNT 1990 is great, get the hell out of here.
I think the original Jim Henson Turtles are great. But the sequel has completely different costume designs. I think they made the Secret of the Ooze designs more expressive, and tried to give each one a bit more colour variation. But then again, the sequel was even more toned down due to parental complaints.
The Bay Tutrles movies, I feel like the first movie; the designs are far more detailed and rough. The sequel, they tried to shaved some of those details down and smoothed them out a bit. The second movie was trying to follow the tone of the 1987 animated series.
These still look good because the Henson company did them and I think the second movie was dedicated to Jim. Unfortunately, the third movie is where they went to shit because they switched to a different company for the costumes and the best they've looked in live action since then are a couple one off UK commercials for insurance (I think that's what it was for)
Honestly the designs aren't that much weirder than the old 30+ year old live action films. Turtle films have always had really ugly bizzare out-of-touch designs.
It's the meme spiderman comic style they have going now I actually hate more than this.
the live actions movies had something to them as a kid tho. They scared the frick outta me and looked weird it was cool in a sense. God knows how no one died after moving around for an hour in those fricking suits tho with all that latex
they already said it was incredibly hard to move in them
I think I recall reading someone had to be hospitalized those monsters suits really fricking kill the dudes inside them. Like even hellboy ron pearlmen said it was brutal as frick.
Man looking at these 90's suits what the frick god these movies were horrible kek plus now im thinking that classic turtles image of the chick getting fisted in the ass and donnie is making that face
Boomer tard here, why are these bad? They look like the 80's hollywood line and tell you their personality while not being overbearing.
>why are these bad?
just fricking look what they did to donnie
he is literaly the strongest turtle after leo in terms of skill and they made him look like that
Donnie is almost always remembered for being the smart one in science and not interested in fighting. Gadget turtle that is no slouch at fighting is the first impression a person gets and not to far off most cannons.
The movies may have been shit, but look wise only thing "off" looking is the baby blues on Mike and Leo.
>Boomer tard here, why are these bad? They look like the 80's hollywood line and tell you their personality while not being overbearing.
I think the 1990 TMNT movie is better than the first Bay one. But I think Out of the Shadows is a better movie than TMNT II: Secret of the Ooze. The live action TMNT movies are all over the place. But at least there are some good ones overall.
The designs are messy as shit even without their faces being disgusting, it's nice that they have stuff on them to help people be able to tell them apart, but I hate that they're so big and they seriously went overboard with the accessories when simple and clean designs work best. A good middle ground for decking the Turtles out in accessories is Rise, those designs are the best thing about that show. TMNT designs work best when they're simple and to the point, the most you need to tell them apart is the masks (obviously), skin tone, heights, and different belt styles/one or two accessories to give you an idea of their personality. It's the same deal with Transformers, the designs are impressive on a technical level, but so overdesigned that you can barely tell what's happening. That's not an issue with the most recent movies because they opt for cleaner and simpler designs like some of the cartoons (not even just G1, but shit like Prime).
The fact that Amy Pascal still has a job is a crime.
It just makes me laugh that people actually fricking speak like this.
Jesus Christ lmao. How do you even respond to something like this professionally?
the sony leaks was the end of an age for Ganker and I wish I could go back
100% correct. These people may be moronic but no enough to make such horrible stupid out place design.
Anon you grossly overestimate executives. They're barely even sentient
This is the same company that approved the Michael Bay TMNT designs. They are EXACTLY moronic enough to approve that.
And Transformers.
>hese people may be moronic but no enough to make such horrible stupid out place design.
It cost the studio a lot of money to redo the scenes.
i haven't even watched the movies but i still respect the decision to listen to the fans rather than call entitlement and grandstand about their poor modellers being harassed.
I think because of trademark law they could get sued and saga would be able to do some 4D chess how American is insulting Japanese gamedevs and IP's these people are out of touch and etc etc etc.
It makes no sense why they would blow that money other than a massive lawsuit and sega was just nodding going sure ok ok, oh by the way only someone really low at sega seen this movie everyone on the top wants blood and heads we're suing
>rather than
They tried that at first
I wish but have you seen what these israelites have shit out in the past?
I still cant believe he was fixed
I feel it was not a stunt but probably the only way for well meaning staff to confirm that their executives are moronic
Taking the meme hyperbole at face value sure felt like a stunt
I think it was, because the kind of people who get power in the entertainment industry are not people who can admit mistakes. If they really intended it to be the one on the left they would've gone through with it and then blamed the audience when it flopped.
>media company baited everyone with fake traileelr
>media company remade all sonic scenes in 2 weeks or so
Only one of those is true.
Neither of those are true since it took five months, not two weeks.
You're so fricking moronic.
yeah bro the wholesome chungus hollywood/sega execs totally listened and dished out the money to have the eyes redesigned in every scene instead of it merely being a cheap pr stunt from the get go that you fell for line hook and sinker. get real, lmao
>the wholesome chungus hollywood/sega execs
You're the moron trying to convince people that the execs are some cunning masterminds who plan these elaborate campaigns instead of just admitting they are fricking morons who have no idea what they are doing. You being a midwit contrarian who always takes the opposite stance of what everyone else says doesn't make you smart, you're just a fricking loser fellating hollywood execs and convincing yourself you're both way more intelligent than you actually are.
The animation studio went out of business because they had to redo the movie.
And another one was used for Sonic 2?
Probably the same one from 1. The bankrupt studio was hired solely to replace all the shots of ugly Sonic.
Marza and Blur (who've both done CG cutscenes for various Sonic games) did the effects in the movies
>The animation studio went out of business because they had to redo the movie.
The first Sonic move had three animation studios working it. The one studio that shut down actually did so because they spread themselves thin while working on the Lion King remake, iirc.
It wasn't "two weeks" though was it? They delayed the film by several months and put the VFX studio though nonstop crunch to re-render the new model.
You dishonest little twit.
It was entirely genuine.
I know one of the people who was brought on to salvage the movie after the first trailer's reception.
According to him every single position that had creative control was filled by a Hollywood nepotism hire with zero talent or original idea in their head.
One of the lead writers just got outright fired for being a douchebag with horrible ideas and was one of the people directly responsible for okaying ugly Sonic.
My friend swears up and down that the entire thing had to be some kind of internal corporate sabotage banking on the fact they thought SEGA was going to just let it slide.
I would like to know more
That's the extent of what I've been told, it really was just a horrible fricking situation that Tyson Hesse and a few others managed to salvage.
Fun fact, Sonic farting was a jab written in specifically to piss off one of the original writers/directors who was very specifically a hater of fart jokes. Because of the situation and how much weight the fixers had with creative direction granted by SEGA, the fart joke was non negotiable.
>writers/directors who was very specifically a hater of fart jokes.
He sounds correct and based though
>Sonic farting was a jab written in specifically to piss off one of the original writers/directors
I had read the opposite, that the execs insisted on fart jokes because "kids love farts"
> fart jokes
quintessential hollywoodesque escathological humor
the problem is that Sonic whole meme personality is
> Too cool for school kid
And hollywood push their
> every male character (specifically if they are white or white adjacent) are mumbling dorks
And I guess while we're on the discussion...
SEGA and Sonic Team's entire internal management and higher ups, such as Iizuka, are every bit as incompetent and downright bitterly disconnected from their fans and the gaming industry as people have theorized.
Through a sheer random lapse in their stubborness they decided to bring aboard people like Christian White, Tee Lopes, Tyson Hesse, and a bunch of other indie fans to work on a game just to try and prove a point that fans ACTUALLY don't know what the game series wanted.
When Sonic Mania turned out to be a massive success - especially over Sonic Forces which Iizuka GENUINELY thought was going to be one of the best games in Sonic's history while Sonic Mania would flop - they became even more incredibly fricking bitter and downright hateful towards those Western devs.
This is why there's no Sonic Mania 2, because the old execs are too stupid and prideful to admit they're the poison slowly killing Sonic.
The matter of the fact is every good decision Sonic has had in recent years has come from fans from the west being given just the slightest opportunity to do ANYTHING with Sonic, and completelely humiliating Sonic Team in every single possible way.
Sonic Frontiers was Sonic Team's answer to this. It was their genuine efforts to try their absolute best, by trying to ditch their own ideas for a change and trying to copy others (BotW, open world games in general), and bringing in western talent that had yet to humiliate them and cause Iizuka to become autistically resentful (Ian Flynn brought on to do writing for a main game). And even then, Sonic Frontiers was still just barely considered decent.
I don't know how much I believe this considering Christian's studio is given special thanks in the newest Sonic game and Iizuka and Naoto Ohshima are credited in Christian Whitehead's newest game, I'm sure they're all still on good terms
>Sega actually being fricking competent and fighting back against this shit to at least give us a passable movie
I don't know how that is so hard to swallow. My faith in these companies is at an all time low.
Sega doesn't have much say in these movies, actually. They signed away most of their creative input when the contract was made up back at Sony. Case in point: they begged and pleaded to not use the "Robotnik" name, to no avail.
They still got co-copyright and apparently a funding stake
Yeah, that sounds likely.
That just makes me think that they haven't learned a fricking thing since the Comic book debacle. You would think they would want pretty much full creative input on these things so that they can overwrite any stupid decisions or people trying to sweep their characters out from under them.
For what its worth, this was back in 2013. The contract stayed the same ever since, even after jumping to Paramount.
They have that kind of control over Prime and new Comics, and look how that worked out.
>You would think they would want pretty much full creative input on these things so that they can overwrite any stupid decisions or people trying to sweep their characters out from under them.
From what I remember, they actually did have creative control over the project back when Sony was making it, which is a large part of why it kept getting kicked around in development hell. When Sony sold the movie rights to Paramount, the latter ended up gaining full creative control I'm sure through some typical Hollywood loophole, hence gremlin Sonic.
Sega still has some control, Jeff said in the director commentary that Sonic is adopted by an owl with no explanation because Sega has banned Sonic from having an origin story.
>Case in point: they begged and pleaded to not use the "Robotnik" name
...Why? Please enlighten me, I am genuinely mystified by this statement and I want to know more.
Because that was a change made by SEGA of America and SoJ is STILL fricking pissed at them for all the shit they pulled. They have been trying to make sure that people call him Eggman for a while.
Not enough to fully retcon Eggman as a birth name
At least that was a smart move. Similar to how Nintendo of America treat “Koopa” as Bowser’s last name, while they just call him Koopa in Japan.
Has that always been the case? I thought Sega got hyper-protective of the IP after all the shit Ken Penders pulled in the comics?
In this case its them trying to erase anything pre-Dreamcast, when they took complete control over the franchise.
Because Sega of Japan has been trying to bury that name for years.
They're complete morons for trying to do so.
Its spite, not stupidity.
Agreed. Robotnik is a much better and more threatening name than "Eggman", and if you want your villain taken seriously, calling him "Eggman" is not the way to go.
And Eggman Ivo sounds stupid.
Robotnik sounds like a real name, a weird one to be sure but an actual name someone might have from whatever nationality background. Eggman is really clearly not a real name and works as an insulting nickname that he sometimes embraces regardless. Which is how it is in the film, and how it ought to be.
No idea what the extreme attachment to Eggman by SEGA is about. You can do both, easily.
Its a Beatles reference, Anon.
>koo koo kachoo
>koo koo kachoo
>No idea what the extreme attachment to Eggman by SEGA is about.
Eggman was the original name in Japan, and Japan loves stupid names for characters like in Dragon Ball, Freeza/Freiza being named after a Freezer, or Vegeta being Vegetables, and Saiya is an anagram of Yasai, which means Vegetables.
Dr. Eggman is the original japanese name. so of course that name HAS to be prioritized over Robotnik.
its the same deal with Bowser, his JP name is still King Koopa, or just Koopa.
however, at least they have tried to reconcile both canons, officially in both japan and USA, his real name is Dr. Ivo Robotnik, and while 'Dr. Eggman' is still an insult Sonic came up with, he decided to adopt the name as a massive 'frick you' to sonic.
>Hollywood nepotism
Jews being israelites,
>One of the lead writers just got outright fired for being a douchebag with horrible ideas
Just a israelite lower on the totem
>My friend swears up and down that the entire thing had to be some kind of internal corporate sabotage banking on the fact they thought SEGA was going to just let it slide.
Just a israelite higher on the totem who wanted his shorts to pay off
Picture some liberal frick out of college, trying to make their mark, and they get "forced" to work on some children's shit rather than enact their revolutionary sun dance film for the masses. Could easily swallow not a one giving a shit and just taking the cash for a resume stuffer.
>Hollywood nepotism hire
Jews, basically.
>According to him every single position that had creative control was filled by a Hollywood nepotism hire with zero talent or original idea in their head.
Isn't that just business as usual in the industry?
people seriously underestimate just how out of touch the average executive or high level person in a corporate capacity is
>My friend swears up and down that the entire thing had to be some kind of internal corporate sabotage banking on the fact they thought SEGA was going to just let it slide.
What do they get out of making a shitty Sonic movie?
A tax write off, and they get to keep the film rights or something. That's why you see so many shitty Spiderman movies, or that infamous Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie got made. Just my speculation though.
revenge for making you work on sonic instead of the next citizen shyamalan or some shit.
Moviegays have a big resentment for games and animation they see it as inherently inferior and a humilliation ritual.
its gonna get funny while games keep making more money than Hollywood
thats so crazy that I believe it. Crazy californians would definitely do this
sounds like hollywood
Thank frick Jeff and Tyson got put in charge as chief Sonic autists to fix it.
>Sonic 1 has design and script kerfuffle
>Sonic 2 has the coof
>Sonic 3 has the strike
I wonder what disaster Jeff will have to work around for Sonic 4.
sounds like the same kind fo shit that happened with Dragon Ball Evolution
I hate Western "creators". The only ones with talent were fired and replaced by hacks and simps.
And thats a good thing :3
Yes, now we get to learn how Shadow is trans.
No. Suits are just fricking moronic. Anyone claiming otherwise is a midwit redditor.
They had merch and a bunch of marketing material already planned. It wasn't a marketing stunt. I know a company bending the knee to fan outrage and it working out for the better is rare but Hollywood's genuine incompetence is common and it's entirely believable that they actually thought that shit Sonic design was good.
OH BOY
I forgot about that freak
That's the final stage after being mauled by a pitbull. They try to claim the beginning stages in picrel is surgery, but I know there are actually many weregoofs out there... hiding.
the existential horrors of constant online exposure mean sometimes people you follow become horribly disfigured or fully paralyzed and how you're watching them do as much as possible to stay happy depending on the severity of their injuries.
followed a girl that became fully paralyzed and now goes around making wheelchair jokes
>we're almost at movie 3
>still asking this
It's all trolling at this point.
Yep they made a fake trailer. If they were going to make Sonic a different height they'd have to reshoot the entire movie, especially the live action parts.
In OG Star Wars before Jabba the Hutt was ready they had an actor in a ghillie suit and Han walked around him. When the cgi was ready, George couldn't even be assed to re-shoot the scene so he had Han step on the tail of an intergalactic crime lord, and that was just one scene and a reshoot wasn't worth it.
>When the cgi was ready, George couldn't even be assed to re-shoot the scene
It was 20 years later.
Yeah. I have a really hard time believing certain scenes were made with the ugly Sonic model in mind. On the other hand, what's the point of the ruse? Just to troll everyone for no reason?
my guess is they had the two designs ready. some executives wanted ugly sonic, others wanted normal sonic. they have the trailer scenes filmed so they developed a trailer with each design in order to gauge audience reaction.
>Yeah. I have a really hard time believing certain scenes were made with the ugly Sonic model in mind.
Except his height in the first film is consistent with the ugly "realistic" Sonic, not the usual Sonic, that's why he's so small in the first film. In the second film he's the usual size Sonic is, because he was that design from the start. There's also scenes that are clearly made for the ugly Sonic, as have been pointed out, like him being unable to get a bomb off his now gloved hand, because ugly Sonic didn't wear gloves.
OG star wars jabba was practical effects not cgi. The remasters lucas made added a bunch of stupid cgi shit a decade or more later.
>alvin and the chipmunks live action
ugly cg characters
>smurfs live action
ugly cg characters
>detective pikachu live action
ugly cg characters
>cat in the hat live action
ugly cg characters
>mario bros live action
ugly cg characters
>nu ninja turtles live action
ugly cg charactions
>sonic live action
intentional subterfuge, obviously.
Well yes, you're not going to think it's a stunt if they go head and actually use the ugly version.
No. They're that stupid. They trusted whatever focus group who's never heard of sonic before said about the first goblin. Lucky the hate was so overwhelming somebody had to take the hit to their producer ego and redo the CGI.
Consider what they've done with other videogame or book properties. The Halo TV show had the same high level moronation Sonic had but they didn't do anything to fix it before release. And now we know Cortana is a cuckold hologram.
Also, they made toys of the old design.
https://screenrant.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-toys-are-the-original-horrifying-design/
These make it look like a conspiracy because look at that doll, look how ugly it looks. There's no way that passed any kind of testing.
Ha, testing. Thats cute. In their mind, executives know what people want, don't question them.
Execs are generally out of touch and are moronic. They're only good at being socially manipulative around their tighter circles, hence their rise in big companies.
Ugly Sonic was just moronation all around.
The Sonic movie debut remains one of the premiere examples of "never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Would you?
yes. post more edits.
Why yes, yes I would.
GATOOOOOOOOOOOO SEXOOOOOOOOOOOO
So fricking cuddly.
I want to impregnate Blaze the Cat
Gotta help her continue that royal line somehow I guess.
basedhog.
not what I was looking for, but found one.
Nice, but I've grown to enjoy the mobian-tier proportions. With SA2 Rouge being a good base model for big tittied mobians.
It's not ideal, yeah. There's another edit with the full body and it's even further away from those proportions. There were other sonic car edits and ones with the towel on his head that kept everything else the same while adding sexo, but I can't find them.
Well, here's hoping we can get a Mobian AI generator that can match that live action style. Now that would be fun.
I'm not fan of the IDW line, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Surge or israeliteel done like this. I like the vibes they give off in a vaccum, away from the shitty writing.
My pickle wife. Would instantly buy a even mediocre game with her in it.
"So you're the smartass ordering the pickles... HA-HA so funny, you nerd."
Yes, I wish people would make more. The popularity has already waned, but my dick is still hungry.
I can't believe people still think it was a marketing stunt. I can't also believe that people think the first movie was good just because of the redesign.
Despite their design being horrid movie and their chemistry was actually good.
>sequel literally never
Oh well.
Maybe, but meh, nothing will top the 90s movie adaptations.
You mean a second sequel?
It had a sequel.
I think if the faces were better this could have been saved. I everything else. The Turtles being 6'4 muscular monstrosities are my favorite takes on their design.
I basically agree with this. If it was a stunt, I'm not sure if it was a very effective one? But, then again, this is Paramount, and that realistic Sonic design was par for the course, when you look at Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Bay movies and those 'realistic' turtles designs. Or the highly detailed Transformer Bay designs, also Paramount movies. That quasi-realistic design was the norm for Paramount CG movies.It's just not also Paramount movies either. In general want to make the design adaptions feel closer to the real world.
If you have seen Michael Benjamin Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles you would know yes they are this moronic.
You know, the first movie actually wasn't that bad.
Ninja Turtles kind of already have a history of weird interpretations. Thing about Sonic is he's got an extremely iconic design. No matter what he shows up in, games, comics, cartoons, toys, it never strays far from the original look. It takes an incredible level of cultural ignorance to think that look in the film was going to be accepted. But yes, you're right, they probably are that moronic.
The first three TMNT live action movies will always be unbeatable. The time travel one where they go to feudal Japan is especially kino, imo.
I agree the first one is still a masterpiece, but you can definitely feel the downgrade watching the sequels. The second at least is entertaining and iconic in its own ways, but 3 is really boring and the costumes taking a huge hit doesn't help any
I dunno, when I was a kid I never noticed the costumes being bad, it felt like the second movie. As for being boring? Yeah, it did feel a bit boring at times. But I still liked all the set pieces and the theme of it overall.
I didn't notice either as a kid but I recently watched all the movies prior to the new one and it was the first time I watched 3 in about a decade, didn't get much out of it unfortunately. But I guess it isn't a universally disliked movie, I know a few people like a manager at my old job who loves it. Just depends on what you want out of a Turtles movie I guess.
Keno was in TMNT2, moron.
>have a history of weird interpretations
Yeah, this is the secret of success for TMT. They have made so many different versions of the turtles, that any design is just met with shrugs and happily accepted by kids. The Michael Bay films are just one among tons of others, even if they are probably worse than the rest.
Sonic, on the other hand, has basically two designs: classic and Adventure, with Sonic Boom basically being Adventure with bandages. People were bound to be more critical of Sonic.
>If you have seen Michael Benjamin Bay's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles you would know yes they are this moronic.
To add more TMNT2: Out of the Shadows designs were less realistic than the first movie and more like the older cartoon designs. It's like Paramount was not happy with the criticism around their designs and toned them down, while still trying to make them look like the first Platinum Dunes Turtles movie. I think when the backlash came from the Sonic design, Paramount decided to suck up the costs and just change it.
They utilized it very well, but they were 100% serious about using that shit. Never underestimate the utter stupidity of corporate suits.
It was what these "realisitic" live action adaptations are doing left and right, 3D abomaiontions in an extremely mediocre movie with real life people and footage as a contrast. The problem was people arent reatarded enough to not realize this was far too different from Sonic and making it more like Sonic suddenly fixed everything bad about the movie.
You don't bring in a bunch of VFX guys if you thought Sonic couldn't be bought to live this way
>What if ____ was real
I hate those gays so much.
Sony really hired that man.
yes, memes are marketing strategies
Never forget what fans took from us original movie Sonic fans
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big fat cat tats when?
I love cats.
Some people are coping that Krysten Ritter is voicing her but I doubt it.
Says she is playing some human character, though she could have a dual role as a voice actress.
Characters like Rouge at the only reason the Sonic franchise survives. The interest of based coomer-bros keeps it going.
>Knuckles got friendzoned
Please. They're gonna be fricking like rabbits sooner or later.
Is the bat tats&Knuckles ship still a thing?
I thought that was mostly a sa2 thing.
Its not like they ever tease anything else.
Be careful, you'll summon the anon who was obsessed with knuckles and rouge shipping and pushed his mom down the stairs because of it.
the what
qrd?
wrong, Knux friendzoned her
> 3'6
dear lord
never. period.
rouge's big breasts are simply too problematic for the PC era.
in the incredibly unlikely case she does appear in the movieverse, maybe in a sequel to the Knuckles series, her breasts will be heavily nerfed, even more than her look in Prime.
They'll just pull a Prime and cover her up.
>3'6
Good lord she is just a flesh light isnt she
You dick (if average) takes up the better part of her torso length. And that's a good thing.
>rouge the bat
>species: cat
Yes changing their release date was totally part of the marketing scheme and we'll worth the money. Even Carrey criticizing the decision, was part of the marketing genius.
>Design change revealed
>Ganker pretends the old one was the good one for 2 months
Sometimes Ganker's contrarianism-without-values is actually disgusting.
Simping for AI-generated content just because it causes seething is on par with that.
Those were desperate shills trying to damage control and yes, unfortunately. That form of gaslighting hasn't left since.
contrarianism for the sake of contrarianism is amazing, i love seeing people fighting tooth and nail to die on a hill that you just know they couldn't give less of a shit about.
The most lucky accidental marketing stunt in history. The redesign completely carried the movie in the eyes of the fans, even before it came out. Had they kept it as it was originally, nobody would even bat an eye at the movie, regardless of Jim Carrey's performance as Eggman, and we would never have gotten any sequels because it would be deemed as a commercial flop in all regards.
Now it's just a mediocre movie that somehow has captured some of the essence of what fans of Sonic want Sonic movies to be, and they just keep tapping more and more into that spring of fanservice with each sequel.
This and Girlboss Peach are still the only interesting things about these fricking movies apparently
>gangsters paradise
Literally what were they even thinking?
I now realized it has been subconsciously playing in the back of my mind ever since I clicked on this thread. It's fricking synonymous with ugly Sonic at this point.
Gangsters Paradise Zone would be kino
The shot with Jim Carrey with Gangsters Paradise playing was cringe-kino though. lol. Gave me some strong Super Mario Bros. Movie vibes.
>the Sonic movie was so long ago that Coolio has been dead for years at this point
Time is slipping...
I just want Linkin Park's - Numb to play in the new one as shadows theme. That will unlock my cringe yet sovl filled childhood.
We got this out of it so I'm cool with it
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Probably to play on Sonic's "YEAH COOL" 'tude.
I find it difficult to believe it wasn't, how could the thing on the left possibly get greenlit? Who looked at that and said, "Yep, it's perfect"? They had a perfectly good design to springboard off of and they created that abomination instead, and it apparently tested well enough that they needed to wait until the trailers came out to realize it looked like utter dogshit? You don't get the impression that a money-making machine like the film industry could genuinely blunder that hard.
Sometimes people frick up. Sometimes the Emperor really did get convinced his clothes were invisible.
Just look at Cats, Monster Trucks, or the 2014 Turle movie.
Hell, a scene in the actual movie immediately gurantees that they fully intended to go through with the OG Sonic because a sticky bomb latches onto SOnic's hand, but Sonic didn't immediately think to remove his gloves or the Human guy didn't tell him to do so. The original didn't have gloves.
The VFX studio that had to redo everything shut down before the movie even fricking released because they spent all their resources
You think they worked themselves into bankruptcy because it was all a stunt?
You think a movie studio wouldn't sacrifice a VFX studio to jumpstart a franchise? They're the slave labor of the industry, a dime a dozen. I'm sure the VFX studio wasn't in on the stunt, but I wouldn't put it past the studio executives to consider them acceptable losses, especially considering how well these movies have ended up doing.
Yes, this bold strategy that oddly enough has not been executed by any other studio ever because of how risky and moronic that strategy would be.
I don't know if I'd call it a strategy, I think it's more likely it was an accident. But the point stands regardless, whether it was a stunt or an accident, no one seemed to give a shit when they sent the VFX artists back into the mines to work themselves to death. Acceptable losses either way.
Or you know, they just fricked up and managed to save it at extra cost. Instead of this absurd conspiracy that somehow predicts precisely how all audiences worldwide will reaction. Sure would be fricking useful to have that information with every other expensive movie ever made.
You're not wrong, but the counter-argument is that you didn't really need to be some kind of social scientist to tell that most people would despise that original Sonic design. This otherwise-moronic conspiracy persists solely because of how utterly horrible this design was.
My counter-argument to that is that there have been countless adaptations of properties with ugly designs released. Some of them are even successful in spite of ugly designs.
You know pretending to be moronic doesn't actually work if your plan fails, right? Then you are just moronic.
>You know pretending to be moronic doesn't actually work if your plan fails, right?
Sure, but if it was a stunt, then it didn't fail. The movie was a massive success. Unless you're actually implying the worth of the VFX studio that went under was greater than the gross income the movie generated, which I somehow doubt is correct.
>Sure, but if it was a stunt, then it didn't fail.
No, what was a stunt that might have failed was delaying the film and increasing the budget by 10 million dollars to redo Sonic. That was a risk that paid off. Otherwise the film was guaranteed to be a failure because the mockery of Ugly Sonic had gone mainstream, instead of just being a minority of fans.
>Sure, but if it was a stunt, then it didn't fail.
Well obviously after the fact it was successful. But that doesn't mean you should drop out of high school just because your favorite streamer did and is a millionaire, anon.
It is something that is so irresponsible that it has to have been made out of ignorance in either case, either being ignorant in itself, or being so willfully ignorant as to put everything at risk just for the possibility of success.
They most likely already did 3 films before then kek. Probably faced having their knees broken, I pity the pajeets that were in comp department.
So, when are we getting a phantasy star movie and a Yakuza series?
Depends how the Crazy Taxi, Streets of Rage, and Space Channel 5 movies go.
You know that scene where Sonic gets an explosive caught on his GLOVED hand but doesn't actually bother to remove the glove to get rid of the explosive? Yeah, that scene being there only makes sense with the old ugly gloveless design the movie originally had. I.E. they simply edited over scenes of a movie that was originally made for the old ugly design.
>moronic suits are moronic
OR
>Make a mid marketing stunt and still redo half of your marketing material and animations
No
Hollywood execs are really just that moronic
so, the fourth movie will be based on Shadows game, then we get Sonic X and then the Metarex arc?
I would've assumed it was a stunt but after watching the money-generating behemoth that is Disney absolutely fumble the golden goose that is Star Wars, I don't think you can properly estimate how moronic some studio suits can be.
more than ugly it was creepy.
On the subject of higher-ups being moronic, look up the stuff about XCOM (2012) and The Bureau: XCOM Declassified. gays took a tacticsstrategy series and decided to make a Mass Effect rip off as a sequel, while making a proper tacticsstrategy game on a fraction of a budget for marketing for their True Vision.
Sometimes the suits are just plain moronic.
>Was Ugly Sonic a marketing stunt?
No.
No, just like pic related wasn't a marketing stunt. Paramount's execs are just moronic.
I remember the original movie poster simply being
>sonics feet
The most blatant furry fetish garbage was being shoved in our faces.
>I remember the original movie poster simply being
>sonics feet
That never happened. People were making fun of the legs.
Yes.
They made a whole movie as the eventual Sonic, and made a few scenes with derp Sonic.
It was easy to claim you redid a movie when it was the one originally made.
It was genius to be honest
You're an idiot who knows nothing about Paramount's past moronation regarding character designs for kids movies.
You're an idiot who thinks he knows the industry
>you don't
The Sonic movie isn't even the first time they greenlit a design that literally scared off the intended audience.
Look up the story behind
So what you're saying is they learned the secret formula
What I'm saying is that you're just as moronic as the people running Paramount.
No, they just keep getting lucky.
Monster Trucks and TMNT 2 bombed you drooling moron.
>Monster Trucks and TMNT 2 bombed you drooling moron.
Which means they were the perfect disposable attention testing grounds for the real money maker characters people cared about
Smooth brain
No actually, Monster Trucks lost over one hundred million dollars at the box office, a large part of it being because the costs skyrocketed as a result of having to redo the central special effect because it terrified kids in test screenings.
Explain the glove scene which has been mentioned, anon. It only makes sense with Ugly Sonic's design. Explain his tiny size in the first film which was corrected in the second film. Explain the models made for on-set references being Ugly Sonic. Explain the promotional materials and merch made of Ugly Sonic that was leaked long in advance of the trailer.
How long after Knuckles drops do you think we'll get a trailer for 3? We finally got confirmation of Shadow's VA, and footage was shown off at Cinemacon.
Fast
Friends
So. We are all in agreement that they planned for Keanu to play Shadow from the first movie, right? There is no way that they had Sonic mention him in the first movie and had SPEED on the TV for movie night if they weren't already planning that far ahead. It just seems too coincidental.
Now THAT I believe.
I doubt it was remotely in their minds that they would do Shadow. Not until the big box office results for Sonic 1 did they truly double down on making this series a real adaptation of the Sonic games as opposed to a general action comedy featuring Sonic.
the knux series still is that, its might feature a quite obscure character Chief Pachacamac, but at the end its more of a comedy with all the focus on Knux and Wade's relationship. maybe even more than Sonic and Officer Tom's.
I mean Donut Lord said there's been someone in his family protecting the town for 50 years in the first movie which is too specific for this franchise but Jeff said he didn't ask if he could use Shadow for 3 until making 2.
keanu is a shit voice actor. what are they thinking?
No.
If you want easy proof it was a change and never planned for, look at Sonic's height in the first film versus the second. In the first he's tiny, as he was supposed to be somewhat hedgehog-esque sized, rather than the "short human" sized he normally is in the games. Sonic is redone but he's still tiny like Ugly Sonic was going to be. In the second film he's much bigger, as are Tails and Knuckles, who are all similar in size to their game counterparts, since they're all designed that way from the start in the second movie.
Likewise while the first film wound up being more faithful than expected, it's still a fairly standard guy+CG animal road trip movie, just with Robotnik showing up. The second film is a straight up adaptation of Sonic 2+3, with long stretches that are just Sonic, Tails or Knuckles with the only human character being Robotnik. They were rewarded for caving in the first film and moving to a faithful design with good audience feedback and successful box office returns, and so they doubled down in the second film as a straight adaptation of Sonic, and they were rewarded again with box office and audience feedback. So you're getting the Knuckles miniseries and a straight Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation.
>Straight SA2 adaptation.
dont be too sure about that, theres still Maria's deal, that can be retconned for the movie audience.
According to the storyboard leaks, the ARK is a time machine, they could retcon Maria's death as an accident during a time travel experiment rather than her being gunned down by possibly Cmdr. Olive Garden. however, if the incident is pinned down as Dr. Gerald's fault, Shadow's overall motivations could still be the same.
Straight adaptation does not mean 1:1. Sonic 2 isn't a 1:1 adaptation of Sonic 2/3, but it is an adaptation of those two games. I don't expect Sonic 3 to be a 1:1 SA2 adaptation, but it's clear it's directly based on that game, and since the games by then had a lot more plot than the Genesis games, you can expect a lot more elements used.
>the military causes an accident by messing with or breaking a machine while taking over the ARK that kills Maria instead of gunning her down
That would work pretty well
There is no fricking way gun accident a month America is going to have a teen girl gunned down for a franchise associated with kids. Already grumbling about zoomers and below having PTSD from gun drills.
Military accident is 100% it. Bonus points if they truly stay faithful to it being cause of the humans and not Shadow "misremembering it all with aliens being the real culprit all along".
It's going to 90% take place in green hills and you will like it.
>o they doubled down in the second film as a straight adaptation of Sonic, and they were rewarded again with box office and audience feedback. So you're getting the Knuckles miniseries and a straight Sonic Adventure 2 adaptation.
>faithful == money
In this particular case, it was. That's not a hard rule.
It was absolutely intended to be the real actual design, and I can prove it just by citing the film. In one scene Sonic evades some of Robotnik's bombs, but gets one sticky bomb stuck to his glove which goes off and injures him because he can't get it off in time. Why would he not just remove his glove with superspeed? Because it was made for Ugly Sonic, who didn't wear gloves, he just had white fur on his hands.
Movie Sonic gives me lusty thoughts that mainstream Sonic does not.
Look up an artist on r34 called krazyelf. forgive me, anon
>buff and homo
You better be.
I want an edit of this. Bad.
Okay.
>Blue arms
>ugly face
>Good body
I hate how close to perfection his design is.
>ugly face
The one on the right is perfect I say. I'd adopt him as a son to raise for sure.
the one as in OP's pic and your pic is also perfectly fine. I'd say that's about as good of a live action Sonic that I can at least think of.
It more so the coloring, light blue never works with Sonic and his skin color looks awful as well. I'm not saying movie Sonic is worse than Ugly Sonic just saying there is something wrong with his face that I just don't like.
I suppose he could be a darker blue, but I guess we both just have different tastes. I just don't see an issue with him.
Holy I forgot how insane it looked. Ngl, I wouldn't mind having him be like that. At this point everyone would've just been having found nostalgic memories about the old sonic and there will be absolutely no question that what we have now is nothing but a frickin soulless slop where everything is washed in drain. No, you just have to milk the last bit of misery and trust from people until they are nothing but a drift wood twig begging to be snapped.
Buddy of mine is an SFX artist who's bounced around the industry a lot. Worked on the Sonic movie. He told me Ugly Sonic was a design that "catered to western audiences". Paramount thought a character that looked vaguely anime would scare away the average American parent, so they got rid of the big eyes and the toonier aspects of his design. To be fair, the ugly Disney remakes were making millions so a lot of dumb execs just assumed that realistic = better. The entire team hated the design, and Sega didn't give a single frick.
That's funny considering Sonic's design is blatantly based on western cartoon characters.
I don't know why Hollywood have such hate boner over cartoons despite being a staple of medium, even mario movie had changes despite character design being cartoon as possible . Also for some reason those israelites hate anime with passion.
Its downright bizarre.
Because those kinds of decisions are made by cigar chomping executives coasting off their successes from decades ago, and they assume they know what people want. No one dares question them over it.
jews. unironically thats the answer
>Also for some reason those israelites hate anime with passion.
jews hold grudges for a long time like women. they cant forgive japan for siding with hitler.
>Miyazki only got another oscar because disney fricked up hardcore and was the most artsy out of all movies.
Wack. Academy literally admitted they don't even watch any sort of animation.
kinda sad that the people who run these industries can give a damn about the creative part of it. walt disney was right
I M A G I N E if we had access to the official disney porn vault.
No, some voters did. That doesn't mean literally all 7000 voting members didn't. There was a period where they defaulted to Pixar winning the Oscar whatever the film, but that's passed, and the best animated film has won a number of times in recent years, even if it wasn't the most mainstream.
I doubt it ever going change, americans seems to like anime for some dumb reason, you don't see such thing with spics, hues, or even through most of europe.
Sega was completely hands free on project besides being a yes no man. Compare to Nintendo which had full leash of project.
They completely dismissed on first trailer, and only gave a shit after movie success.
>dislike*
But as now they are doing whole live action crap because is hip.
An anime film has won the Best Animated Film Oscar exactly twice. Spirited Away, in 2002, and the Boy and the Heron, in 2023. Both Miyazaki films. There is in fact a HUGE bias against non-American animated films, you have it backwards.
Also
Remember that even if execs want money and hidden cabals want to push social engienering agendas, their agents still are cosmopolitan bugmen that smell their own farts and have giant egos
When those giant egos crash with the reality that they are not inventing anything new and that they are not real artists, doesn't matter how much mental hoops they jump, then is when they start to make small changes just to
> give it their own spin
they need to change things are a biological necessity to preserve their own ego and to keep alive the charade that
> culture and creativty has not stagnated!!
when in reality they are keeping franchises alive like zombies
Sonic games are so embarrassing man
The tipping point was not fans hating the design. They expect that. Fans always hate changes in adaptations. But they assume it will be a minority of the audience and thus negligible. It's worked for countless adaptations over the years. Book purists of Tolkien had all sorts of complaints about the LOTR films, but they were massive successes critically and commercially and became iconic pieces of media in their own right regardless.
The tipping point was that Ugly Sonic immediately became the butt of jokes for general audiences as well. The mockery of the design went mainstream, not just among Sonic fans. That basically guaranteed the movie would be a failure. So they made the calculated risk that delaying it and increasing the film costs to change Sonic's design would work out in their favor, as evidently they were confident the film itself would appeal to audiences, since they didn't particularly alter the film in that time besides minor changes (the flashback intro for instance had changes made to it, since it's 100% CG and required no additional filming). And they were right, audiences liked the film, especially Carrey's Robotnik, and Sonic's new design was well received, now they have a successful film series and learned that audiences actually respond well to faithful Sonic elements, so they've doubled down and began directing adapting plots and elements from games from the second film on.
An expectation among execs is that general audiences will hate "game" elements and so many video game adaptations downplayed their video game aspects to minor easter eggs, that's only changed in recent years. It's the same mode of thought that they used for adapting cartoons to that live action/CG hybrid, like Smurfs or Alvin, they feel they must have a primarily real world setting and focus to appeal to general audiences.
Also helps that they got a miracle blessing from COVID delaying/closing most of the competition.
Between Sonic and that bastardization of Birds of Prey, the choice was easy.
No and you'd have to be a moronic homosexual to think otherwise.
Fans don't realize just how little the people who make these movies give a frick about the game.
"What? He's a hedgehog? Whatever just make him look like that stupid raccoon from that galaxy guardians movie that's popular right now."
Funny is the guy directoring this movie worked on CGI for Shadow's game, Jeff Fowler.
No
Why is it so hard to believe Hollywood types really are that out of touch
And doesn't Hollywood still regard gaming as an inferior medium, something for kids, toys and all that? (Even though gaming makes orders of magnitude more money than Hollywood does and is more dominant in modern culture.)
don't forget the whole NEXT GUY thing
insane to think somebody looked at left and thought yup, looking good
must have had terrible communication in the production team
I'm not even a notable Sonic fan, I'm not sure if I've even played a Sonic game made after the year 2002, I liked the Genesis games and the British Sonic the Comic as a little kid and that's it, and even I got a big smile in the second film when Sonic, Tails and Knuckles ran in the Sonic Heroes formation during the climax, and again when Sonic went Super. It's nice to see these classic game elements recreated totally unironically in a big film.
I bet as silly a character as Shadow is, if they go all in and play Live & Learn in the climax of Sonic 3 with Sonic and Shadow teaming up, I'll feel hype anyway. An increase in earnestness in major films is sorely needed these days.
were the pre-animation leaks really the whole movie? I didn't see amy anywhere in them so I'm a little worry she won't be in
I read threads this like and I’m immediately reminded that most of Ganker must be underaged or manbabies that never held a real grown up job in a major organization. If they did they’d know how organizational decisions like this get made and why it’s so easy for something that seems like OBVIOUSLY a bad idea to become the chosen course of action.
The first movie feels like it was good on accident. I guarantee they were trying to make a bad film for whatever reason but Jim Carrey and Sonic’s design saved it.
Like that scene from the Boys where Homelander is surprised everyone cheers him on after killing someone.
The director actually worked on the pre-rendered cutscenes from Shadow the Hedgehog. I doubt he'd be the guy who'd want to deliberately shit on the project. I bet there were some moron execs who tried to sabotage it though.
Jim Carrey was such excellent casting. Not because he's the perfect Eggman but because his wacky upbeat persona helps set the tone for the films.
It also helps that James Marsden has this perpetual shit eating grin/trollface expression.
"Ugly Sonic" looked fine to me. I think the outrage was the real marketing stunt because it was clearly artificial
Could've been worse, if you can believe that.
i do NOT want to even THINK that way
If it was then the final cut design must've been better hidden than government files because even the alleged leaks look nothing like what the final model is, in fact there's this rumour that 3DPD sonic wasn't even gonna make it to theaters but it would be more similar to this or the Chris Pratt poster design, it was so bad they already had a plan B in case the reception was poor, they just had no idea it would be beyond bad reception.
Ganker Sonic literally only exists today as a successful franchise thanks to the redesign, an ounce of SOUL is all it took so that's how you know nobody in hollywood knew what to do with the IP, to me it seems like the entire direction after the first movie is the direct result of the intervention from someone who actually likes Sonic and you can't fake that, or you would have to be incredibly clever to pull it off and who the hell is gonna do that just for the kids movie of a blue rat?
jim carrey saved the film too
hey i just want to let you know that i think it's very cool that even blind people browse Ganker
>I thought it looked fine
>therefore all the dislike by other people was fake
moron.
if it were, I wish every game company did this like the Fable team.
Absolutely
How long did they take to release the "fixed" version in a trailer? and at that point you'd also have a good chunk of the movie done as well. Having to quickly replace all of that in a pinch would have been disastrous
Didn't they delay the movie for like half a year?
Yes.
>Having to quickly replace all of that in a pinch would have been disastrous
It was, as the studio who did it dropped dead from exhaustion as soon as the job was done.
it was almost all done by that point. and after that it was all redone
>quickly
took em half a year, and few people went nuts
see
How did Tyson get hired again? Did Paramount ask Sega to suggest an American artist they could work with?
>marketing stunt that delayed the movie 6 months, cost the studio 10s of millions of dollars, caused the CG studio responsible for the Sonic character to work 100+ hour work weeks which ended with the closure of the studio
Yes anon, it was all a marketing stunt.
>Nobody makes a mistake it was all planed perfectly
Why do conspiracy skitzos always mistake incompetence for malice?
No. Film executives aren't smart or dedicated enough to pull off a stunt like that, they either genuinely thought he looked fine or they didn't care about the final product because it's a movie aimed at children and they think they'll watch anything animated. It's a small miracle that literally anyone in the upper decision making chain thought to themselves that maybe they should make their 3D Sonic look more like the character that's been popular around the world for 30 years, and not like some weird gremlin
>Flim execs are such string pulling cabalists that never make a mistake.
>They put Morbin time out twice and it still failed to make money.
Can Ganker explain this contradiction?
>Flim execs are such string pulling cabalists that never make a mistake.
whoever said this
All the people in this thread who claimed that it was all planed.
Why did morbin time fail if they can pull tricks like the Sonic one? Did the film exec run out of Mana?
People who think ugly Sonic was a master scheme to make us think they care about our opinions.
lol no ugly sonic was literally what they wanted to use. you guys have no idea how out of touch executives at these studios are. they are usually hyped up on drugs, alcohol, and many other vices. especially perverted. If anything, doing movie stuff is only part of their lives. For others, it's just a stepping stone to becoming part of the perverted oligarchy in that industry.
You're literally agreeing with us. Re-read the posts.
I wasnt arguing with you two. just saying that ugly sonic was their first choice and anyone who says otherwise is dumb
RELEASE THE TRAILER ALREADY YOU FRICKS
Confirming Keanu a week before Knuckle's show hits makes it seem like the show will end with a movie tease.
Unlikely. In fact, a version of the movie that's entirely ugly Sonic apparently exists,by accounts of several separate dub actors, who incidentally all been auditioned before the plead to re-animate the movie.
Does someone have the screencap. Of a famous actor(?) dying after some homosexual from here recommended him, to voice shadow
why do people think it was some 4D chess movie to make sonic ugly over the much simpler explanation that the executives who okay'd the design are just arrogant and moronic? The only reason they even ended up changing it cause all the mocking forced them to realize how stupid it was and they didn't wanna tank their movie
Im pretty sure Sega also came in since they have enough people who are close to the top to send the message.
You don't understand, the execs cannot make a mistake. They must have planed it because of the 100 year old take over the world plan hinges on a Sonic product being so ugly it cracks mirrors.
Needs a Shadow the Hedgehog edit.
I still don't understand why they added a neon red light to Johnny's first scene in the 2.0 version
Well, it did add a lot more tension for sure. Seeing it in a bluer light isn't as scary I guess.
why when shadow canonicaly say shit like this
>Want to make a product
>Product sucks
>People tell you it sucks
>They go back and fix it
>Other people say they must have planed it to suck to get people talking
>This makes 0 sense as they were saying bad things about it and laughing at it.
Why can nobody just make a mistake and go and fix it, without nutters coming out and saying nutty shit?
"Hey, Shadow."
Executives anywhere as big as a movie studio are at least part sociopath, so they have to make a conscious effort to understand what normal people find appealing. The exec looked at Ugly Sonic and felt no joy, unlike that time he choked out a naked 9-year old girl on Epstein's private island while on coke. But he doesn't really feel anything when watching any movie anyway, so why not just copy the Grinch, Illumination, those Alvin and the Chipmunks movies, etc. and make guaranteed money? He hears internal objections and thinks "those stupid artists don't know how to run a business like I do. They should just shut up and do what I want them to do because they aren't smart and disciplined like I am. If they were, they would be on top"
"Oh? The common idiot doesn't like it either? They should just eat the slop, but I have a lot of money riding on this, and seeing that number go up is the only thing I enjoy besides abusing sex slaves, so I guess I will change it just this once."
>The exec looked at Ugly Sonic and felt no joy, unlike that time he choked out a naked 9-year old girl on ~~*Epstein*~~'s private island while on coke.
Part me thinks sega also allowed this to happen as proof westerns have no idea what to do with sonic to heal their egos.
Honestly this shitshow was amazing.
And western ex going LE ANIME BAD when manga is outselling everying and keeping book stores alive while anime&vidya is making bank lets not even bring up gacha shit.
thread's almost over. everything is a marketing stunt unless proven otherwise. you have to see it this way because the world bombards you in advertisements on the daily.
>everything is a marketing stunt unless proven otherwise
You're an idiot
I know someone that worked at MPC and no, it wasn't.
It was just some moronic executive forcing his stupid ideas on the people below him. Thank frick the public pressure made them change shit, although they basically blamed the artists so they had to crunch HARD to quickly change it.
Doubt it, entertainment execs and "focus groups" are so out of touch with the demographics they think they're trying to appeal to, it'd almost be funny if it wasn't for them somehow maintaining being "successful" enough to not get shitcanned
You know they could give Shadow a gun, like an actual gun and have him shoot at Sonic to really establish him as a threat but real guns are verboten so no sexy Shadow reload scene I gueshwggs
No, instead you'll get more humans, more black women, with Jim Carrey salvaging the movie once again
no they legitimately hired westoids who knew nothing about sonic
>look forward to seeing sonic movie just to make fun of it and sonic gays
>movie is actually kino
>play shitty steam port of Sonic Adventure just to make fun of it
>its also kind of kino
>play really shitty sonic games to make fun of like Shadow the Hedgehog
>its also kino and I get all endings
Sonic Kings I KNEEL
Is THIS thread a marketing stunt? Buy an ad, Black person.
It doesn't matter
Post yfw you are living in a Gangster's Paradise
Blaze is cute.
Aye
imagine if nobody complained. what would tails and Knuckles lock like?
You ever notice that despite the family theme of the movies that Tom and Sonic barely ever touch one another, let alone hug except like once iirc? Don't notice how detached the humans and cg characters are from one another physically, it will ruin your immersion.
the human characters literally only exist because the executives think normies will relate to them more. And dont get me started on the wedding from 2. out of touch homosexuals.
yes.
>No one has shooped Shadow yet
Honestly shocked how hollywood moves faster on the Sonic franchise than Sega and even fans
If I could make quality shoops, I'd do it.
nah , if so it costed them too much
>costed
please, anon
My biggest fear is that they'll "remove" the darker tone SA2 had because of the Shadow's and Eggman's grandfather past and make it silly. Its very likely they're gonna do it because they want to sell the movie to toddlers.
definitely they are gonna change Maria's death, she is not gonna be gunned down, which is good since the ONLY person who would actually be there to do that and be important enough would be Cmdr. Olive Garden. i already mentioned here
, how it could happen.
a smart enough writer can make the scenario work, as well as shadow's motivation to be the same.
also, considering the whole FEARLESS deal, whatever is gonna happen in the movie, its gonna be in SxShGenerations. Maria getting gunned down is not gonna be canon anymore.
We already have soft confirmation that Maria's gonna die, I wouldn't be too worried.
but she wont be shot down by GUN/the militia.
Thats alright. It takes the edge off, but as long as its traumatic for shadow, and the core of her character and her wish for him is the same then everything should be OK.
i agree, this can work perfectly fine for shadow as a character. but we will only know when the movie premieres.
Pattinsonbros we were fricking ROBBED
never attribute to malice that can be explained by Stupidity
Probably yeah, the redesign was to good.
pretty sure this was one of the few occasions they actually went back and fixed
now ugly sonic in chip and dale though....
That was on purpose. Although considering both Paramount and Sega refused to have their names in the credits, they didn't like it.
kek really
Go watch the credits for the Chip and Dale movie. No mention of either of them. They did not care for being reminded of Ugly Sonic.
Is Officer Burpo finally gonna appear in 3?
Imagine what Tails & Knuckles would have looked like if they kept that art style.
I don't understand why people are so unwilling to buy that the same IP that gave us, Ken Penders, Underground, 06, Chronicles and Rise of Lyric genuinely was going to go ahead with the design they showed off.
Why is it so hard to believe that they really were just bad at their job? This franchise clearly doesn't have quality control.
Because film execs never make mistakes.
They are all seeing all knowing political cabalists who string pull every event in the world.
If they made a mistake, it is because they wanted you to think they made a mistake, but that mistake was also a mistake, that got you talking about the original mistake.
Remember these are the same people who made Will Smith slap Chris rock for the Oscar raitings to go up the following year.
Just ignore that the ratings went down, that was a rare mistake, but that mistake got you talking so all press is good press even when you talk bad about them and everyone is laughing at them not with them
it was and it worked
Absolutely not. Go take a look at the leaked Sony emails to see how fricking stupid Hollywood executives are.
>Sony is handling Zelda movie.
>live action
Man, Nintendo going need some extra whips to crack on them. Their relationship was more mutual with Universal, but doubt it going be smooth on this case, sony being extra moron don't help in anything.
>live action zelda
why?
>Because cartoons = kid stuff
>Live action = grown ups
Also more money to launder.
>Also more money to launder.
The calling card of a moron.
>Was Ugly Sonic a marketing stunt?
No. Movie with a lot of CG don't have the finished effects until post production and you're doing the final edit of the movie.
Because you need to show off shit for marketing and advertising you get some pajeets to slap together some shit thats "good enough" for a trailer.
>It says here you're gay.
I feel like 'ugly Sonic' has been kind of salvaged as a meme character now. I just don;t see how this was a stunt. Seems kinda risky for investors of Paramount, and a bit of a pre-calculated risk in general. I don;t think Paramount execs were aware of how rabid the Sonic fanbase can be. The original design looks in line with every other CG product Paramount was making at the time. Borderline realistic with quasi real hedgehog features. It seems like they were heading in the same trajectory as TMNT: Out of the Shadows.
No. It was 100% legit. They knew it was a terrible unappealing design, but the suits went with it because they wanted to cash in the Michael Bay's TMNT live action movies by. They were fully expecting Sonic fans to hate it, but thought casuals would love it or at least be indifferent.
They thought they could made a quick buck with a popular IP and have casuals mock Sonic fans for complaining about the design and have people hate watch the movie. They didn't expect *everyone* to hate the first trailer and call for changes.
If you look at all the leaked test scenes and artworks for the first movie you'll see Sonic's earliest designs were a big more closer to his game's counterpart, so his uglyfication was a intentional artistic choice. Also, they made a bunch of merch featuring the original ugly design - I heard many of which had to be called back before they hit store shelves.
Someone at Paramounts top hierarchy must be really pissed their garbage idea was hated by the entire world. If you pay attention, they have been uglygying Sonic's model again since Movie 2. In the Knuckles show Sonic looks terrible.
Doubtful.
I've employed 3D artists in the past who, even after giving them visual references, they still get it completely fricking wrong. Not even excusable as a stylistic difference, but completely butchered. I basically had to hold their hand through the design, giving constant multi-angle references.
3D artists, for some reason, are often total aphantasiacs who cannot rotate 2D images into 3D in their mind. Maybe it's the learning process being more math than design, maybe it's just coincidence, but I don't understand the discrepancy.
Wouldn't shock me in the slightest if the same thing happened with this movie, where the people who actually cared about the design didn't get a say until the immense public backlash.
I think they had the models made, but probably had someone internal(or SEGA) tel them to change the designs immediately. But, they still had to show something. Reworking the model and scenes from scratch in only 5 months, probably after a month of backlash, seems a bit too farfetched.
sonic goes to the real world dude
>be me
>get hired by a company
>fill the company with Black folk, trannies and women
>ruin product on purpose
>put everything I have on a max leverage short through a shell company
Ganker incels blame everyone but me
this Sonic shit was corpo sabotage that got caught.
I'm astonished to find out someone calling TMNT 1990 a bad movie. Jesus fricking Christ.