as someone that's been playing DMC since the early PS2 days (I pre-ordered DMC2), no it's not as good. But it's fun as frick. Even the cinematic QTEs aren't annoying, though I think it'd be best if there was a way to turn them off.
There's like a dozen Action games that have released the past few years, look harder.
EX is the best part about Nero, what the frick are you smoking? Why would you limit it to a fricking meter, when it's the only mechanic (besides knuckle bringer) that rewards high skill gameplay for Nero?
Exceed is one of the worst mechanics in any video game, it literally has no reason to exist as you aren't making any tactical choice and it actively wastes dev time by forcing them to make redundant versions of every move. Exceed lacks any real resource restrictions and every variant is pretty well a straight upgrade (so most variants are worthless and the choices are braindead). There's an input for one bar and max, but not two, so there's 25% of the variants down the drain. Optimally, you'll never see 75% of it, because you'll only be getting max. It's a completely braindead mechanic that only wastes dev resources they could spend giving Nero more than 1 weapon.
I admit that once you get the timing down for Maxceeding the mechanic becomes trivial, but this can be easily fixed by making the frames for Maxceeding even smaller.
But I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the mechanic of EX itself; it's always meant to be a high-skill high-reward gameplay, ever since IV.
nta but kek this sums gorilla iq Black Black folk up oretty nicely >why create an interesting mechanic when you can make a braindead one but make it hard
I don't get it when you homosexuals say dmc do you mean a specific game or the series as a whole? Cause I've played 1 and 2. XVI shits on both of those slow ass games
I fricking laughed when I saw DMC players tryhard the demo and get like 2100-2200 stagger damage trying to 'combo' as young clive and then watching some turn-based boomer chick fumble her way to 2500 by just spamming square and finishing with phoenix wing. the precision dodge window is so long that it's actually better to spam r1 when you don't know an enemy's mechs than trying to time it off the animation.
you realize this guy has to promote the fricking game he worked on right? jesus christ, have some grasp on reality for once, not everyone is out there to get you. most of them just want people to try it out and it just might click as they poured hours of hard work and dedication on finishing a god damn videogame regardless of it being garbage or not.
Yes because it’s so much more accessible while still having a high enough skill for advanced combos
That’s why it’s his masterpiece
If you aren’t a brainlet you can see that the dude literally made an action combat system that should be able to be played by anyone at multiple levels
DMC is strictly for people with autism
It has much better action mechanics than DD, outside of climbing enemies. It also is a better action game than DMC1, 2, and possibly 4 or 5 depending on your perspective.
It has better humanoid fights than dragon ligma but thats obvious comparing two games of different decades and how gimped shit its warrior class compared to clive
They literally just have to decrease ennemies max health, that would cost them 0$ and a couple seconds. They spent so much for the combat but it's all ruined because a huge moron in their team had to make every large ennemies have the health of a world boss.
This. same issue with Tales of Arise.
I turned the difficulty to easiest midway because everything is fricking sponge. only reverted back to Moderate when fighting Bosses
>there are people THIS upset about a video game that they have to make gifs like this >when the combat designer btfo all the shitposters last week when he shredded a boss live for the entire internet to see
>GoW (old)
Valid >nu-GoW
lmao >Arkham series
Pressing square/x and batman flies around like ballerina = good? kek >Shadow of mordor
same as Arkham >Darksiders series
frick off, literal DMC clone but jankier
To play devil's advocate, I actually think arkham games require more attention than one would think. It isn't hard by any means, but there are plenty of enemies that stop you from simply button mashing and the amount of cool shit you can do with gadgets mid combo is actually fun. I personally find it far more enjoyable than dark souls dodge, attack when safe then repeat ad nauseum, you can even attack spam an enemy if your weapons hits fast enough and flinches them long enough to chain attacks.
Shadow of Mordor is indefensible though, it's a far shittier Arkham combat.
That’s true. it also makes no sense in terms of realism. Like, why is the enemy able to get back up if it’s knocked down and has the shit beaten out of it on the ground? You don’t magically recover when people are wailing on you.
It's time wasting bullshit that only exists so you can do a ten second cutscene attack that you couldn't ever fit in against an enemy that actually fights back. Posture break is a good system but the critical hit reward for posture break is way better than a stagger damage increase because it returns you to combat quicker.
I kind of like the way it gives you a window to go combo mad. It’s a different skill set than playing reactively. But if that’s not something you enjoy, then I can see why it’s unappealing.
It's time wasting bullshit that only exists so you can do a ten second cutscene attack that you couldn't ever fit in against an enemy that actually fights back. Posture break is a good system but the critical hit reward for posture break is way better than a stagger damage increase because it returns you to combat quicker.
This is why I'll ALWAYS prefer turn based RPGs over action RPGs.
Action RPGs are ALWAYS casualized for the lowest common denominator and play like shit compared to any real action games.
>he thinks his beloved PS1 FF that can easily be broken and played with just Attack and Cure isn't casualized.
Why do you turn based FF babs act as if this series is hardcore or something. Lots of teens, can finish those games back in the day. They're not hard, like, at all.
Psst, to the FromSoft homosexuals, this tab in the menu exists. I know I know, it's hard to fathom having more than 1 "Arts of War", but this game does, as well as button combinations. It might be hard to learn anything aside R1 and R2, dodge and poke, but you'll get used to it.
4 homies in a row just cant compete with one guy hits enemy nonstop for 5 minutes while the enemy does nothing and everyone else just sort of stands around
Wrong. What happens is it has sullied my perception of FFVII, the same way you find out your virginal wife of 8 years from the other tribe actually partook in a gangbang several times.
Not even comparable methinks.
Adamantoise had a billion HP. This guy has very little HP, but the mechanics of this game require you to be actually good to do dmg.
>no MP >no elemental damage >no magic damage >enemies do frick all to stop your combos >no strategy outside of mashing buttons and dodging
Does this """"RPG"""" even have status effects?
>Iconic Malboro enemy ambushes the party >Thinking this is it, we're about to go full Final Fantasy >It doesn't Bad Breath the party causing things to get absolutely crazy >Instead it's just a generic damage sponge that does nothing, gets staggered, then dies
I have never once been more disappointed while playing a FF game than this moment during the demo., and I purchased 8 on release after loving the demo. But I guess having one of the npcs quip about it is all that matters for modern audiences, having it actually occur is irrelevant.
tl'dr
The battle and enemy design fricking sucks.
But the first thing it does in the demo is use bad breath and it's absolutely impossible to stop even if you pull of a godlike combo out of fricking nowhere? What kind of shitty bait is this?
16bros? I thought you guys said Final Fantasy 16 was a RPG? One of the directors straight up called it an action game and the gameplay
doesn't seem RPG-like at all. Unless I guess numbers flying when you hit things makes something a RPG.
>the club just clips multiple times through the character's body
Are you blind? It only touches the character model 2 times. Once when he does a dash with iframes and the second time where it touches his feet and it staggerr the character upwards like an enemy step.
I didn't know you could do the charged attacks in air too. That training room at the hub base better let me pack in as many enemies I want to play with.
Most people ITT don't even play video games, the doomposting will subside once the game comes out just like with SF6. This is just the last hail mary to try and double down on le board culture of hating popular thing
I can say with 99% confidence that it won’t be as good as DMCV. Or DMC3 for that matter. Maybe it might be better than the 2nd one since that one sucked
most of his career is fighting games, all he's done on action games is work on Nero (lol)
(which explains why Nero has an EX moves mechanic ripped from fighting games, except he missed the point and forgot that FGs balance those with a meter cost)
EX is the best part about Nero, what the frick are you smoking? Why would you limit it to a fricking meter, when it's the only mechanic (besides knuckle bringer) that rewards high skill gameplay for Nero?
I didn't find any of the 3 control types good for doing combos while charging up another suped up melee/fireball. This game is some claw grip shit I can't deal with so Ill be endlessly getting Bs and shit in NG+ when it comes time.
The worst part about this games combat is that you cannot rebind the controls and are stuck to 3 control schemes that pander to people who are going to play the game with cheat rings. I don't understand why I have to go through the hoops of rebinding buttons through the PS5 itself instead of in-game.
I love the Limit Break in this game. Against the wind boss you gotta play by her rules since she has agility and flight but you pull out limit break and phoenix’s dash woaaaah you like chase that b***h and punch her and it becomes epic as frick you it’s great I love it
it just looks like 15s combat with an extra coat of paint
but that paint is still just another layer of undercoat, fricking nier combat still looks better
DMC3 was good anon but Ninja Gaiden games are way better. Ff16 is below these in terms of complexity and difficulty, but it is still fun. Story and presentation are way better than the other series though, music is amazing, its the combination of factors that put FF16 in a special place
DMC1 was fun but not fun enough to do those special stages which led to nelo 3 and all the nightmares in dmd being fricking hell thank god the final boss is easy
I haven’t played dmc, what do I use the magic for? I use it some but idk what the use of it is in the eikon challenge besides when bird woman flies off the arena
I haven’t played FFXVI, but I’ve played all of the DMCs. The equivalent in DMC is firearms, which are mostly used to keep combos going, gain style points, or alter the trajectory of enemies / your character. Plus there are some firearms that do massive damage in the right circumstances. And sometimes using ranged combat helps with spacing. Also, some enemies have gimmicks where they’re weak to certain firearm moves.
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yeah using magic bursts will keep you airborne longer. combo that with air dodge, stomp, deadly embrace (on an enemy with stagger bar) and a aerial charged sword attack. torgal also serves as a juggle.
Thanks, air stuff is pretty fun. Still gotta get used to it (as seen by my hp and potions from trying to do air stuff all session), can do airborne stuff to normal enemies pretty consistently now at least but gotta still work on posture bar enemies.
I haven’t played FFXVI, but I’ve played all of the DMCs. The equivalent in DMC is firearms, which are mostly used to keep combos going, gain style points, or alter the trajectory of enemies / your character. Plus there are some firearms that do massive damage in the right circumstances. And sometimes using ranged combat helps with spacing. Also, some enemies have gimmicks where they’re weak to certain firearm moves.
Is this like Yuji Naka, Keiji Inafune, Back 4 Blood devs, and Glen Schofield not really being in charge of their respective games but taking the credit for everything that made them good?
yeah using magic bursts will keep you airborne longer. combo that with air dodge, stomp, deadly embrace (on an enemy with stagger bar) and a aerial charged sword attack. torgal also serves as a juggle.
>FGgay still got BTFO'd even when playing a mechanically simple action game
lmao
the dodge and royal guard timing windows are so fricking lenient in XVI I don't understand how you can even get hit in this game
there should be an achievement for doing a hitless playthrough in this game because it's so fricking possible
>the special actions are not only cooldowns but also stop time so you can do free gorillion damage explosions
Man I know the OP article is just PR fluff but this game is so disappointing
>even in his actual run of beating the boss he still plays like a complete shitter
The fricking telegraphs on this supposed "S rank boss" are so obvious. How is he still getting hit all the time? I can probably beat this boss with my Demo Clive right now at level 8 lol, might take awhile but it would still be a piece of cake.
The master shit but anyway this chink designed DEADWEIGHT gameplay with the most moronic robot arm swap system and the slowest devil trigger unlock im impressed you dont have to draw magic like ff8;or other bullshit to switch your cd skills alongside a proper dodge button unlike shit nero that rely on jumps and iframes combos to dodge
lmao imagine if clive could only switch eikons by killing them
and the only way he's getting back the eikon is by buying their "soulstone" or some other crap for 10000 gil
oh yeah that would be $10 for 1000 gil btw, buy it on the Square Enix Store™ along with all your favorite xiv mounts
why are people not removing the hax rings? the second I realized part 2 of the demo had them already equipped (with the QTE dodges) I removed them
I hope they're only available in the full game if you pick easy/story mode
that was because the director of XV is a casual pandering hack
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/
>optional accessory
nice bait, Barry. has no accessories
Except you only get to throw rocks at the start of Forspoken and for a good chunk of the game, all of those abilites mentionned for FFXVI are available in the fricking propogue.
Except that isn't even the starting area of forspoken you moron and all the things I mentioned to you are available when you have access to that area
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Except that's not the start
Never said it was moron, anyone with half a brain would have gotten my point because she has more than rock spells in that webm.
The point was that FFXVI prologue has more depths than endgame foreskinned, and foreskinned at the start is barely an "action" game. Meanwhile FFXVI at the very start is not only fully combo functionnal, but also very defensive and execution based, and it already filters low IQ morons like you.
>Pride and greed, thirsting for more >Twisted and broken, your for shilling forspoken >Journey's end as I ascend
anons what the frick did he mean by this?
Its just to easy.
Even the last extra fight in the demo was stupidly easy. I had every ring off and did shitty slow damage and it still felt manageable. I don't get punished hardly as much for playing poorly. Unless this game launches with a hard mode I don't think I'll bother. Why bother learning to git gud when the game doesn't punish me for being bad?
The streaming Black folk must be really stupid to show their faces so they get killed by yoshitpiss ninjas, also what a shit non patched game even the bong dub has voice delay
Surely people saying the game is super easy will be posting their Final Fantasy mode or Ultimaniac clears right? Their leaderboard rankings?
They wouldn't be relying on story mode would they...?
Frick this gay homie shit why do I need to play the same game twice just to get the better mode? I shouldn't have to skip any optional content the first time around just to do it the better way the second time.
Frick NG+ its the worst thing ever in games.
The extra modes don't just level up enemies it will have completely different enemy mobs and setups, they will be more vicious in attacking as well. It's gonna be kino.
>new game with new enemy behavior, more moves , etc.
Did you not read what anon posted? >different enemy mobs and setups, they will be more vicious in attacking as well
Read again.
>we have dmc at home >multiple mandatory pause and mindlessly spam button breaks in the middle of combat
This game has grear potential as a narrative and aesthetic experience but its gameplay flow is crippled by the garbage stagger system. 7/10 gameplay at best.
It has no potential in neither departmanet unless its your first rpg Black person , clive is brunette Male lightning with adam jensen voice volume LMAO
The cgi spectacle and the worldbuilding don't count for nothing. When you get older and grow weary of pointing out faults in everything because you see faults everywhere you push through a barrier where you start paying attention to what exceptional qualities a piece of media has alongside the inevitable faults. You never stop noticing the flaws you just get better at noticing the strengths and you gain a broader awareness to notice more areas of strength than when you were young and blinded by only seeing flaws.
I unironically shilled this to my friends and I got one guy to even say he was going to buy a PS5 like I did. Got them watching me go through the demo while they ate and they were pretty in to it through it all. 10/10 experience though was a lot of fun going through it with them. Even got some of them to try playing it in the second demo.
These type of games has always been a balance of what you need to beat it, and what is possible to do with the system. If the minimum is too hard, people who aren’t good will say it’s bad, if the minimum is too easy, people who aren’t willing to explore the system will say it’s too simple. Just like in 15, what you could do with the battle system is amazing, but what you actually need to do to beat the enemy is very simple, and that’s the same trap I see this game falling in. I let my little brother play the demo and he pretty much stayed back and spammed magic the entire time. Watching him play, I would say the game’s combat is very basic and not good. But when I play, I can use air combos and double jumps and other stuff, so someone watching me play would say the combat is good. It’s just a matter of how much you’re willing to explore.
>watched the vod of the leaker playing the game at https://vod-secure.twitch.tv/f847412fadec90420180_blitzbladevx_42343381963_1687057200/chunked/index-dvr.m3u8 >absolute shit
holy kek you guys are really hyped for this because of some youtubers getting paid to like it? to hell with your disgusting standards
Too lazy to check the stream, do they do side quests? If not then they'll finish the game before leaker-kun. Spoiler and leaks situation will be a mess kek.
>genshin combat >spammy particle effect diarrhea against easy, target dummy enemies >bad according to Ganker >ff16 combat >spammy particle effect diarrhea against easy, target dummy enemies >good according to Ganker
Plenty of anons are calling this game out for being brainless garbage.
You have to ignore the morons bro. There are even people on this board who think genshin impact, breath of the wild, and all those other goyslop games are good.
You have to ignore the morons with 70 IQ points who will praise anything.
XVI's combat is ridiculously well refined. It cuts all the input tedium out of past Capcom and Platinum games and brings KH2 in line with sturdier animation.
i ask him to expand because i find dmc's controls rather intuitive. i like that dmc doesn't have a modifier button like ready eikonic abilities, i like that dmc has multiple basic combos for ground/air (and that these combos are not 'input tedium' but rather easy to muscle memory due to their forgiving pause timing rhythm), i like that dmc lets me remap controls completely so i can have a setup exactly attuned to what i think makes sense.
xvi has good combat. that much is true. but i feel dmc's combat is still more intuitive and flexible than it. and saying the combat is better than kh2 feels... incorrect. kh2 has the best enemy reactions of any square action game ever made (and it's that aspect for which it's so highly regarded) and i just don't feel that in xvi. there's hitstun but it don't FEEL as good as kh2.
he will continue to have a mental breakdown even if FF16 wins GOTY later this year, there is no stopping him. The only thing that will is when the next game he targets is announced so he can sabotage threads on that as well.
I think I saw someone say that the achievement list has been leaked, is there any cool gameplay achievements that would be fun to get or is it all basic story stuff and milestones that you'll get without thinking?
I just did lmao, unboxed it and played the demo yesterday. They gave me a code for GoW Ragnarok too, not sure if I care to start that yet. I think I'll just wait for XVI to drop
???? The only reason I didn't buy a Quintuple before was supply issues, and then I just kind of forgot about it when things eased up. I try to buy one of every console
oh tbh the switch isn't worth it, I stopped playing it once I got the Deck and just run my switch games on that
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The best library this gen isn't worth it
11 months ago
Anonymous
It really isn't. The only game I've actually played that wasn't boring as shit was MH:Rise and you can get that on PC.
11 months ago
Anonymous
you can still play the "best library" on the deck
also how would you know its the best library if you don't own a switch?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm (very slowly) working on getting the parts for a mini-ITX computer. I want the best of both words - a portable computer like a Steam Deck (possibly even buying and carrying a power brick with me) but one that I can upgrade.
The boss moveset design in the demo is so good.
They've taken the raiding concepts from XIV and applied them to an ARPG.
With the majority of ARPGs and Character Action games, a lot of boss movesets are limited to the actual character animations.
With XVI, the example being the Garuda Twins and Garuda fights, the AoEs hitting the field are so good at creating space in the fight and forcing the player to work from a distance before closing in.
maybe I'm moronic but the camera was a nightmare in the chirada and suparana fight. I don't wanna dodge aoes and offscreen enemies if I can't fricking control the camera zoom
>we are so back action game bros >back
When the frick were you ever gone? Action game gays are probably the most privileged category of gamers second only to shooter shitters.
I don't know why people are zooming on Benedikta for the weakest character writing but from the leaks I've seen so far, Hugo is the prime contender for this. His backstory describes him as a cunning mind that managed to usurp his way into a part of the ruling body of his nation despite his brutish figure. But apparently throughout the game all of his actions are based on his loss over Benedikta's feathery puss and acting like a ragetard gorilla who smashes his way forward (both figuratively and literally) until he finds Clive and Cid.
Hugo just comes across as a massive simp, like Benedikta was just using him, but even 5 years later, after smashing the hideout to bits, he still wants more revenge on Clive by killing Jill.
They aren't. They're just coping with the fact that this was how a prominent trailer character was done in. It's brutal for what was going to be manys favorite character
that's part of what makes the Benedikta stuff is so bad. Basically dismisses two of the more popular characters as dumb and irrelevant. Cid/Benedikta/Barnabas backstory doesnt matter, Barnabas/Hugo/Benedikta doesn't matter, Hugo backstory doesn't matter, etc. Dion and Barnabas seem like they'll have more substantial roles which sucks because they are kind of boring.
Cid still have a chance to be a compelling character since his character mostly focuses on his fight against the racism. Benedikta was just one of the poor souls he couldn't save amongst many others, pretty sure he would quickly move on from her death.
This is the dumbest shit I've read. Every backstory matters no matter how small a character. And they're relevant in the 1at part of the story just like how dion and Barnabas are relevant in the last part of the story
That's because XVI threads summon the worst groups in Ganker. >schizos from action threads like the KH DBSpic >schizos from the FF threads like Barry and fanatics who think everyone who critiques the game is Barry >console warriors >politicsgays because of homosexual stuff
I'm probably missing a lot of people, but all discussion for XVI was doomed from the start.
https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1670089362355421184 >Yoshi-P said FF16 Combat Director Ryota Suzuki was NOT headhunted from Capcom!
Suzuki said he had been working at Capcom for 20 years & when DMC5 finished he thought about his next career plan. He asked about a FF14 game designer position & FF16 Director Takai was happy have him
tfw you wanted to work on ff14 the mmo and ban all troony players, but the headmaster said he needed your skills first.
He's the Combat Director of FFXVI, he was one of many designers in DMC and Dragon's Dogma. Of course the game he had the most say in will be the one he's most fond of. I don't know why FF tendies pushed the "it's THE DMC designer" shit so hard, he's one guy who worked on DMC. Not to downplay his involvement, but he's not Itsuno.
the only good thing about this game is that it has no Black folk
that automatically makes it better than any western game, but it's not exactly a high bar
Surprisingly, there is a Black person and he is a prominent character. He is just not homierdly enough for the fully pozzed crowd.
The devs of the game are fully pozzed themselves but happily serve pretenders who like to pose as "le based" and "redpilled" while assorting with various strange creatures.
>there is a prominent Black person >there is a prominent gay >gay even has sex scenes
That stuff aint even hard to find. IRL they pandering hard as well.
>there is a prominent Black person >there is a prominent gay >gay even has sex scenes
That stuff aint even hard to find. IRL they pandering hard as well.
Reminder that most people on Ganker don't actually play vidya, they just complain about them incessantly.
I thoroughly enjoyed FFXV and I will thoroughly enjoy FFXVI.
The pinnacle. We're back
the price of keeping RPG mechanics in an action game
what fricking RPG mechanics
It's a fricking western action game with some shit thrown in for Final Fantasy name-brand association, and that's it.
LOL no one actually thinks this is better than dmc or dd right?
It's about the story. Final Fantasy has always been about the story. Getting even halfway decent combat is a godsend compared to what we had before.
frick you, turn based combat is eternal
How eternal was it when the only thing close to it within FF in the last 20 years was FFXIII?
>ff13
>20 years ago
you know there's a lot of types for turn based combat right
13 was released within the last 20 years, yes, and was the last mainline FF to have anything resembling ATB
as someone that's been playing DMC since the early PS2 days (I pre-ordered DMC2), no it's not as good. But it's fun as frick. Even the cinematic QTEs aren't annoying, though I think it'd be best if there was a way to turn them off.
nope
but we've been stuck on V for 4 years now, and bayo 3 was gimmicky and mediocre, so this is an nice change of scene
There's like a dozen Action games that have released the past few years, look harder.
Exceed is one of the worst mechanics in any video game, it literally has no reason to exist as you aren't making any tactical choice and it actively wastes dev time by forcing them to make redundant versions of every move. Exceed lacks any real resource restrictions and every variant is pretty well a straight upgrade (so most variants are worthless and the choices are braindead). There's an input for one bar and max, but not two, so there's 25% of the variants down the drain. Optimally, you'll never see 75% of it, because you'll only be getting max. It's a completely braindead mechanic that only wastes dev resources they could spend giving Nero more than 1 weapon.
I admit that once you get the timing down for Maxceeding the mechanic becomes trivial, but this can be easily fixed by making the frames for Maxceeding even smaller.
But I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the mechanic of EX itself; it's always meant to be a high-skill high-reward gameplay, ever since IV.
nta but kek this sums gorilla iq Black Black folk up oretty nicely
>why create an interesting mechanic when you can make a braindead one but make it hard
Reving exceed its a worse version of squall gunblade explosive critical system of ff8 , if ff8 has remake you bet it can rape exceed system
That's exactly how DD and DMC play if you just mash one attack button and ignore everything else
It's like tales of arise but a little bit faster. So yeah, not even close to be as good.
I don't get it when you homosexuals say dmc do you mean a specific game or the series as a whole? Cause I've played 1 and 2. XVI shits on both of those slow ass games
DMC 1 and 2 are dmc games only in name.
>stupid casual can't handle DMC1
>likes FFXVI
Embarrassing.
Frick off I got the platinum trophy for 1. Surely that has to mean something
>filtered by 1
moron
snoys do, because this game is exclusive to PS, while DMC and DD aren't
its all marketing
I fricking laughed when I saw DMC players tryhard the demo and get like 2100-2200 stagger damage trying to 'combo' as young clive and then watching some turn-based boomer chick fumble her way to 2500 by just spamming square and finishing with phoenix wing. the precision dodge window is so long that it's actually better to spam r1 when you don't know an enemy's mechs than trying to time it off the animation.
you realize this guy has to promote the fricking game he worked on right? jesus christ, have some grasp on reality for once, not everyone is out there to get you. most of them just want people to try it out and it just might click as they poured hours of hard work and dedication on finishing a god damn videogame regardless of it being garbage or not.
Yes because it’s so much more accessible while still having a high enough skill for advanced combos
That’s why it’s his masterpiece
If you aren’t a brainlet you can see that the dude literally made an action combat system that should be able to be played by anyone at multiple levels
DMC is strictly for people with autism
homie dmc v have lot of more salwa than this shit
Sales*
Woah a 4 year old game has more sales than a game that hasn't released yet? No way...
It has much better action mechanics than DD, outside of climbing enemies. It also is a better action game than DMC1, 2, and possibly 4 or 5 depending on your perspective.
It has better humanoid fights than dragon ligma but thats obvious comparing two games of different decades and how gimped shit its warrior class compared to clive
>Better than 4 and 5 depending on your perspective
> Perspective is being a snoy
That makes sense alright
Ryota Suzuki does lol
>Ryota Suzuki
yeah and he's a fricking nobody, the fact that shills hyped him up as a major player in DMC is hilarious
So what games did you work on?
I worked on Front Mission Evolved and despite my reeing they insisted making it action based would make it a huge success, like you morons now
>yeah and he's a fricking nobody
This fricking guy (he/him)
https://www.mobygames.com/game/121476/devil-may-cry-5/credits/windows/
go find him in the credits lol
https://www.igdb.com/people/ryota-suzuki
Get good
They literally just have to decrease ennemies max health, that would cost them 0$ and a couple seconds. They spent so much for the combat but it's all ruined because a huge moron in their team had to make every large ennemies have the health of a world boss.
enemies only have a bloated health pool if you're bad at the game
This. same issue with Tales of Arise.
I turned the difficulty to easiest midway because everything is fricking sponge. only reverted back to Moderate when fighting Bosses
>implying you’re gonna use the strongest move and burn yourself out
That’s a you problem my homie
>there are people THIS upset about a video game that they have to make gifs like this
>when the combat designer btfo all the shitposters last week when he shredded a boss live for the entire internet to see
>play like shit
>wtf I do no damage?!
Kek.
This is the representation of all what is wrong with asian games.
Dont get me wrong i love their art and style but their gameplay....
name a single american game with better melee combat
GoW (Both old and new)
Arkham series
Shadow of mordor
Darksiders series
>GoW (old)
Valid
>nu-GoW
lmao
>Arkham series
Pressing square/x and batman flies around like ballerina = good? kek
>Shadow of mordor
same as Arkham
>Darksiders series
frick off, literal DMC clone but jankier
>frick off, literal DMC clone but jankier
so just like FFXVI then?
To play devil's advocate, I actually think arkham games require more attention than one would think. It isn't hard by any means, but there are plenty of enemies that stop you from simply button mashing and the amount of cool shit you can do with gadgets mid combo is actually fun. I personally find it far more enjoyable than dark souls dodge, attack when safe then repeat ad nauseum, you can even attack spam an enemy if your weapons hits fast enough and flinches them long enough to chain attacks.
Shadow of Mordor is indefensible though, it's a far shittier Arkham combat.
>GoW (new)
OH NO NO NO
>GoW( new)
Die.
Name a western game with combat that looks good just pressing square.
It’s DMC if it was made by MMO trannies.
How is this homie almost out of potions on the tutorial?
This is the turnbased boomer right? Makes sense why he hates action games kek.
>Spams square
>Wtf lmfao this combat sucks lolz
Kys
This is why KH2 will always reign supreme in the ARPG department. Enemies actually react to you hitting them and hard hits send them flying
>Floaty combat
>Good
Also you can send enemies flying into the stratosphere in this game
combat
>>Good
Of course not, that's why FFXVI looks disappointing.
name 1 better ARPG combat game than KH2
I love KH2, so I’m not shitting on it at all, but Nioh 2 is an ARPG with better combat imo.
Nioh 2 has far worse combat. Less utility, abysmal enemy AI, and didn't even try to balance the game.
That’s a very unpopular opinion you have there.
It's really not. Nioh 2 combat is held back by awful enemy design.
NEO TWEWY
I mean I don't even like the stagger the mechanic in the other Final Fantasy games either.
Why not? It gives the player something besides just HP to focus on, and it punishes passive play. I think it’s a really good mechanic.
My only complain with it is how long it lasts. It should be shorter. It is weird to see a dragoon sit still for 10 seconds and not be dead.
That’s true. it also makes no sense in terms of realism. Like, why is the enemy able to get back up if it’s knocked down and has the shit beaten out of it on the ground? You don’t magically recover when people are wailing on you.
I kind of like the way it gives you a window to go combo mad. It’s a different skill set than playing reactively. But if that’s not something you enjoy, then I can see why it’s unappealing.
It's time wasting bullshit that only exists so you can do a ten second cutscene attack that you couldn't ever fit in against an enemy that actually fights back. Posture break is a good system but the critical hit reward for posture break is way better than a stagger damage increase because it returns you to combat quicker.
Black desert looking ass
Pffffft hahahaha
This is why I'll ALWAYS prefer turn based RPGs over action RPGs.
Action RPGs are ALWAYS casualized for the lowest common denominator and play like shit compared to any real action games.
ALWAYS.
>he thinks his beloved PS1 FF that can easily be broken and played with just Attack and Cure isn't casualized.
Why do you turn based FF babs act as if this series is hardcore or something. Lots of teens, can finish those games back in the day. They're not hard, like, at all.
Psst, to the FromSoft homosexuals, this tab in the menu exists. I know I know, it's hard to fathom having more than 1 "Arts of War", but this game does, as well as button combinations. It might be hard to learn anything aside R1 and R2, dodge and poke, but you'll get used to it.
KEK.
To be fair, Spongebob is strong and manly enough to rape 2B.
>blocks ur path
cool punching bag simulator
>waste several skills on one mob
>break your own fingers
>in the end even didn't kill a mob
>you can actually kill this mob with one Titan skill
what about the style meter on the side? is it not worth doing more complex combos even for more XP to use to unlock more skills?
>spending this much time making a shitpost
You have to let it go...
4 homies in a row just cant compete with one guy hits enemy nonstop for 5 minutes while the enemy does nothing and everyone else just sort of stands around
JFC
>enemy does nothing
>stagger it
>enemy does nothing while playing a fallen down animation
Why do they do this?
to give the illusion the enemy might someday do something
To incentivize well timed dodges and parries.
Thank fricking God for Rebirth.
>Thank God for the sequel to a rushed project that essentially ruins the original by virtue of being a sequel
>ruins the original
??? The original is still there, you can still play it.
>The original is still there
Wrong. What happens is it has sullied my perception of FFVII, the same way you find out your virginal wife of 8 years from the other tribe actually partook in a gangbang several times.
The frick is this logic, the remake is part of 7's brand. Ignoring it doesn't exist is the same headcanoning it
Censored slop
Oh no, missing titillation.
>Thank God for another game with the same "stagger, spam, repeat" combat
>we want the DMCtard audience
This reminds me of the Giant Turtle on FF15, just a huge bullet sponge
Not even comparable methinks.
Adamantoise had a billion HP. This guy has very little HP, but the mechanics of this game require you to be actually good to do dmg.
>no MP
>no elemental damage
>no magic damage
>enemies do frick all to stop your combos
>no strategy outside of mashing buttons and dodging
Does this """"RPG"""" even have status effects?
I'm so CEing like triple damage when it finally releases on relevant platforms
I played the demo
It's mid.
But they’re staggered here and don’t move so you can maximize on damage in a 5 second window.
Stop using logic, you’re supposed to point and laugh.
The only game with decent combat released so far this year have been Hifi Rush (good) and Jedi: Survivor (ok). Pretty sad state.
>Iconic Malboro enemy ambushes the party
>Thinking this is it, we're about to go full Final Fantasy
>It doesn't Bad Breath the party causing things to get absolutely crazy
>Instead it's just a generic damage sponge that does nothing, gets staggered, then dies
I have never once been more disappointed while playing a FF game than this moment during the demo., and I purchased 8 on release after loving the demo. But I guess having one of the npcs quip about it is all that matters for modern audiences, having it actually occur is irrelevant.
tl'dr
The battle and enemy design fricking sucks.
But the first thing it does in the demo is use bad breath and it's absolutely impossible to stop even if you pull of a godlike combo out of fricking nowhere? What kind of shitty bait is this?
16bros? I thought you guys said Final Fantasy 16 was a RPG? One of the directors straight up called it an action game and the gameplay
doesn't seem RPG-like at all. Unless I guess numbers flying when you hit things makes something a RPG.
particle effects fantasy 16
reminder that this is what people who shit on morrowind are doing when they roll an axe warrior, pick up a sword, job, and quit
America seething.webm
How does it feel to witness your empire crumbling
game my jam it straight up bussin fr fr no cap
But It's looks cool and gives my brain dopamine so 10/10 GOTY Final Fantasy is back.
i hate stagger mechanics so much
Good bait unless you actually play video games. Just like in DMC, Bayo, etc the real game doesn't start until you have all the skills unlocked
The combat demo gave us a glimpse of what the combat can be and even that wasn't all of it
what is suzukis most high ranking dev role prior to xvi? he wasn't a lead combat designer in dmcv.
his highest role was as a gameplay/game design lead on dragon's dogma.
>yes, I do love mashing buttons randomly to see cool things happen, how could you tell?
wild this is the state of Ganker
Yea, it hit a new low in 2023. Visit this website once a week max. It's over.
Turn based cucks say this and can't even fathom the hypocrisy.
As a turn based CHAD i completely agree with your post. I bet 90% of the people complaining about the game being shinny don't even play Final Fantasy.
>turn-based
>mashing buttons randomly
nice b8
its not going to work anymore, doomies.
>combat director
Nice lie, he was one of 2 dozen people that worked on combat he didn't spearhead it.
reading comprehension
CURAZUH!!!!
>turn on easy mode
>surprised when its easy
meanwhile, gameplay without easy mode and only 1/8th of the full kit:
That looks like shit you fricking moron.
how can he do the fire uppercut so many times so quickly?
u can upgrade it so it charges faster
>the club just clips multiple times through the character's body
>makes no damage
Masterpiece
>the club just clips multiple times through the character's body
Are you blind? It only touches the character model 2 times. Once when he does a dash with iframes and the second time where it touches his feet and it staggerr the character upwards like an enemy step.
There's no damage threat except on moments that are coded as attacks. Same as a later boss.
It's a poor game.
that isnt easy mode, b***h
>ring that makes you automatically dodge isnt easy mode
its not a ring you can just spam dodge on that attack. you can also double titan perfect block it. Black person.
I didn't know you could do the charged attacks in air too. That training room at the hub base better let me pack in as many enemies I want to play with.
This gameplay still looks horrible. The player is just spamming attack brainlessly while the ogre continues to swing and miss.
Not even gonna pirate LOL
Why the frick is the ogre doing no damage?
Either being physically above the attacks to avoid the hit box entirely, other moves that have I-frames or just dodging.
I'd love to see the the morons shitting on this try to do it themselves. This is peak gameplay
Most people ITT don't even play video games, the doomposting will subside once the game comes out just like with SF6. This is just the last hail mary to try and double down on le board culture of hating popular thing
I love how the ogre takes no hitstun whatsoever.
That was actually good.
h-hayai!!
Barry doxxed and failed to rape a girl in 2016
I can say with 99% confidence that it won’t be as good as DMCV. Or DMC3 for that matter. Maybe it might be better than the 2nd one since that one sucked
We need deep, engaging and intellectually deep combat to come back to Final Fantasy like pic rel.
I have full faith the battle system will be great. Too bad about the story and tone of the game, though.
Game is be mediocre. It appeals to casuals the same way DMC5 was so popular.
ah yes, my favorite action combat series, Final Fantasy
I'm going to fricking die of rage if this game sells even one million copies.
Save yourself the trouble and just off yourself now anon
>behold
>ffxvi's Vergil
Nope, he'll job to Clive in the end. He's no Vergil.
Vergil has never (not ONCE) jobbed to Dante.
Vergil jobbed to Dante in 1 and 3. He only didn’t job in 5 because he had to job to Nero instead.
>1
Nelo Angelo didn't count
>3
He wanted to lose, doesn't count
see the scar? hes already jobbed to Cid
most of his career is fighting games, all he's done on action games is work on Nero (lol)
(which explains why Nero has an EX moves mechanic ripped from fighting games, except he missed the point and forgot that FGs balance those with a meter cost)
EX is the best part about Nero, what the frick are you smoking? Why would you limit it to a fricking meter, when it's the only mechanic (besides knuckle bringer) that rewards high skill gameplay for Nero?
>Exceed
>good
>actually admitting it should be a braindead shit for stupid casuals without a resource
have a nice day, DMCuck. Nero is garbage.
Exceed is fine.
I didn't find any of the 3 control types good for doing combos while charging up another suped up melee/fireball. This game is some claw grip shit I can't deal with so Ill be endlessly getting Bs and shit in NG+ when it comes time.
>market the game as DMC lite
>don't have a type control D where you copy the DMC controls 1:1
Why?
Type C worked perfectly for me, maybe give it another shot.
Supposedly they will add custom binding later after feedback on the demo
The worst part about this games combat is that you cannot rebind the controls and are stuck to 3 control schemes that pander to people who are going to play the game with cheat rings. I don't understand why I have to go through the hoops of rebinding buttons through the PS5 itself instead of in-game.
>The game gives you the option to use Souls-like controls or DMC controls apart from the default scheme, but this is not enough for mister anonymous.
Are these "DMC Controls" in the room with us now, Stayvun?
Literally type C, but you have never played a DMC game in your entire life before.
Ah yes, I remember playing DMC3 by attacking with the Square button, cycling weapons with Triangle, and using Lock-On with L2.
>DMC3
Well don't play the worst DMC for starters
I remember attacking with triangle, cycling weapons with R2, and using lock-on with R1. :^)
I love the Limit Break in this game. Against the wind boss you gotta play by her rules since she has agility and flight but you pull out limit break and phoenix’s dash woaaaah you like chase that b***h and punch her and it becomes epic as frick you it’s great I love it
Can any PS5gays with the demo confirm for me whether jumping in this game has i-frames?
Or are i-frames only locked to dodging?
it just looks like 15s combat with an extra coat of paint
but that paint is still just another layer of undercoat, fricking nier combat still looks better
bazztek what do you do for work
who should i preorder xvi from
I don't give a frick how good you think this game is
DMC3 will never be surpassed. Stop trying to make a DMC like game because you will never surpass it.
DMC3 was good anon but Ninja Gaiden games are way better. Ff16 is below these in terms of complexity and difficulty, but it is still fun. Story and presentation are way better than the other series though, music is amazing, its the combination of factors that put FF16 in a special place
frick man I miss that series
NG4 when?
DMC1 was fun but not fun enough to do those special stages
which led to nelo 3 and all the nightmares in dmd being fricking hell thank god the final boss is easy
So does the moon not orbit or does Metia move in step with the moon. Only one of these things can be true.
>Changes turn based game into action
>We're back bros
I don't wanna play this game, I have zero excitement. I'm just looking forward to Dragon Quest 12.
>he doesn't know
Kek
Finally, the first good DQ.
Max fans being salty that they got dunked live on steam.
>Ryota Suzuki, a 43 year old senior game creator
>still has his youth, not middle aged man with his tired face and balding head
How is this possible?
I haven’t played dmc, what do I use the magic for? I use it some but idk what the use of it is in the eikon challenge besides when bird woman flies off the arena
charge it to juggle or launch. it also serves as a backstep when you use it. also use it after melee swings for a magic burst combo.
Oh I use it for the latter yeah. Also can it keep you in the air like the guns in dmc?
Thanks, air stuff is pretty fun. Still gotta get used to it (as seen by my hp and potions from trying to do air stuff all session), can do airborne stuff to normal enemies pretty consistently now at least but gotta still work on posture bar enemies.
Releasing a charged one actually gives you iframes, though you're better off dodging and counter-magicking.
I haven’t played FFXVI, but I’ve played all of the DMCs. The equivalent in DMC is firearms, which are mostly used to keep combos going, gain style points, or alter the trajectory of enemies / your character. Plus there are some firearms that do massive damage in the right circumstances. And sometimes using ranged combat helps with spacing. Also, some enemies have gimmicks where they’re weak to certain firearm moves.
Only use magic for magic/aerial bursts to do more damage and stagger, or charged shots whenever you want to launch or suspend an enemy in the air.
Normal magic attacks by itself are useless. Filler moves whenever boss is out of range.
Is this like Yuji Naka, Keiji Inafune, Back 4 Blood devs, and Glen Schofield not really being in charge of their respective games but taking the credit for everything that made them good?
yeah using magic bursts will keep you airborne longer. combo that with air dodge, stomp, deadly embrace (on an enemy with stagger bar) and a aerial charged sword attack. torgal also serves as a juggle.
Maxbros... not like this...
>FGgay still got BTFO'd even when playing a mechanically simple action game
lmao
the dodge and royal guard timing windows are so fricking lenient in XVI I don't understand how you can even get hit in this game
there should be an achievement for doing a hitless playthrough in this game because it's so fricking possible
>the special actions are not only cooldowns but also stop time so you can do free gorillion damage explosions
Man I know the OP article is just PR fluff but this game is so disappointing
>even in his actual run of beating the boss he still plays like a complete shitter
The fricking telegraphs on this supposed "S rank boss" are so obvious. How is he still getting hit all the time? I can probably beat this boss with my Demo Clive right now at level 8 lol, might take awhile but it would still be a piece of cake.
>doesn't equip torgal ring
>doesn't use torgal anyways
Why? Doesnt he know precision sics do a surprising amount of damage?
I've been reading this manga, is this character supposed to be a call out to a real life dude. Because it fricking feels like it.
P.S. anyone got videos of Titan loadout gameplay?
The master shit but anyway this chink designed DEADWEIGHT gameplay with the most moronic robot arm swap system and the slowest devil trigger unlock im impressed you dont have to draw magic like ff8;or other bullshit to switch your cd skills alongside a proper dodge button unlike shit nero that rely on jumps and iframes combos to dodge
lmao imagine if clive could only switch eikons by killing them
and the only way he's getting back the eikon is by buying their "soulstone" or some other crap for 10000 gil
oh yeah that would be $10 for 1000 gil btw, buy it on the Square Enix Store™ along with all your favorite xiv mounts
Haven't seen spam and naysaying this fervent since DMC5 and that game was excellent. This didn't start until FF16's demo too. Gonna be a good one lads
Garuda got fricked up
https://clips.twitch.tv/ResilientFunnyChipmunkKappaRoss-hUiI9YDLuzsnGO6M
why are people not removing the hax rings? the second I realized part 2 of the demo had them already equipped (with the QTE dodges) I removed them
I hope they're only available in the full game if you pick easy/story mode
>I hope they're only available in the full game if you pick easy/story mode
Does it really matter? Why does how other people play the game effect you
They don't even play videogames they just get off on feeling superior
hm, fair point I guess I'm just tired of gays
>modern gaming
XV is 7 years old.
that was because the director of XV is a casual pandering hack
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/
>optional accessory
nice bait, Barry. has no accessories
Nope moron
That moronic clip is on wait mode and easy mode using cheat accessories too so fricking cope
>posts a mistranslation that was debunked live on stream from 9 fricking years ago
how far into the game is this
first 5 hours
really? seems like an endgame spoiler
This is a lie. It’s like the middle of the game where Joshua comes back.
No its like 8 hours in which is basically the beginning of the game
>twitch clips instead of webms
this place is pathetic
SOUND you moron i want SOUND, you can only get sound embeds on /gif/ without a fricking catbox.moe redirect in an extension for filenames
Forspoken's combat is utter shite
better than ff16 trash
>No magic burst
>No perfect dodge
>No parry
>No charged attack
>No stomp/enemy hopping
>Didn't beat in enemy in less than 75 second
Skill issue.
see
>no magic parkour
>no charge attack magic
>no support spell
>no cuff counter
>no double/triple/quadruple jumping
>didn't beat anything
>didnt get Star rank
>literally on easy mode
skill issue
holy kek it's true
XVI-Black folk are FORSPOKEN-gays lmao
Except you only get to throw rocks at the start of Forspoken and for a good chunk of the game, all of those abilites mentionned for FFXVI are available in the fricking propogue.
Except that isn't even the starting area of forspoken you moron and all the things I mentioned to you are available when you have access to that area
>Except that's not the start
Never said it was moron, anyone with half a brain would have gotten my point because she has more than rock spells in that webm.
The point was that FFXVI prologue has more depths than endgame foreskinned, and foreskinned at the start is barely an "action" game. Meanwhile FFXVI at the very start is not only fully combo functionnal, but also very defensive and execution based, and it already filters low IQ morons like you.
literally the same fricking game
when will final fantasy bring back turn based combat
Why do people keep implying this guy is solely responsible for the combat in dmc5 and dragons dogma?
Hell if you've watched developer commentary on dmc5 you'd know that's not true at all.
You guys are so fricking stupid it hurts
LMAO
HOLY KEK. this is what FF homosexuals are creaming their pants to? get some standards you absolute subhumans
What games do you think are good then?
Elden Ring
you like the worst one? shit taste
he was demonstrating the usage of rings for morons that makes you able to play the game with 1 button like that.
aka journalist mode
He is demonstrating game jorno difficulty.
>Pride and greed, thirsting for more
>Twisted and broken, your for shilling forspoken
>Journey's end as I ascend
anons what the frick did he mean by this?
FF15 is open world slop
Its just to easy.
Even the last extra fight in the demo was stupidly easy. I had every ring off and did shitty slow damage and it still felt manageable. I don't get punished hardly as much for playing poorly. Unless this game launches with a hard mode I don't think I'll bother. Why bother learning to git gud when the game doesn't punish me for being bad?
You don’t get enough skill points to use things if you play mediocre.
The streaming Black folk must be really stupid to show their faces so they get killed by yoshitpiss ninjas, also what a shit non patched game even the bong dub has voice delay
Surely people saying the game is super easy will be posting their Final Fantasy mode or Ultimaniac clears right? Their leaderboard rankings?
They wouldn't be relying on story mode would they...?
>Final Fantasy mode or Ultimaniac clears right
What are these and are they avaliable at the start or the game or NG+ shit?
Ng+ shit its your average diablo difficulty levels by levelling up everything and more shit to level and unlock
Frick this gay homie shit why do I need to play the same game twice just to get the better mode? I shouldn't have to skip any optional content the first time around just to do it the better way the second time.
Frick NG+ its the worst thing ever in games.
Then wait pc version with a mod or save to skip it
The extra modes don't just level up enemies it will have completely different enemy mobs and setups, they will be more vicious in attacking as well. It's gonna be kino.
>Horizon zero dawn has ultra hard available on new game with new enemy behavior, more moves , etc.
What is wrong with SE that they can't do the same?
They have to catter fortnite kids
>new game with new enemy behavior, more moves , etc.
Did you not read what anon posted?
>different enemy mobs and setups, they will be more vicious in attacking as well
Read again.
Why would they buy the full game if they hate the demo?
Just how much of a consoomer cuckold are you?
>we have dmc at home
>multiple mandatory pause and mindlessly spam button breaks in the middle of combat
This game has grear potential as a narrative and aesthetic experience but its gameplay flow is crippled by the garbage stagger system. 7/10 gameplay at best.
It has no potential in neither departmanet unless its your first rpg Black person , clive is brunette Male lightning with adam jensen voice volume LMAO
The cgi spectacle and the worldbuilding don't count for nothing. When you get older and grow weary of pointing out faults in everything because you see faults everywhere you push through a barrier where you start paying attention to what exceptional qualities a piece of media has alongside the inevitable faults. You never stop noticing the flaws you just get better at noticing the strengths and you gain a broader awareness to notice more areas of strength than when you were young and blinded by only seeing flaws.
Okay better read again what you writed moron cause you gave me the right and reason
>"writed"
>Clive is just lightning I swear!
Of course it's an ESL.
Every time.
just how much content this game has? i just saw there's a bloody palace equivalent?
Just half or a quarter of ff12 had
is there a VoD for the dev stream?
Yes inside kojifox anus
I unironically shilled this to my friends and I got one guy to even say he was going to buy a PS5 like I did. Got them watching me go through the demo while they ate and they were pretty in to it through it all. 10/10 experience though was a lot of fun going through it with them. Even got some of them to try playing it in the second demo.
Enjoy your PS5 exploding in your face when ifrit is CUMMING to Clive
These type of games has always been a balance of what you need to beat it, and what is possible to do with the system. If the minimum is too hard, people who aren’t good will say it’s bad, if the minimum is too easy, people who aren’t willing to explore the system will say it’s too simple. Just like in 15, what you could do with the battle system is amazing, but what you actually need to do to beat the enemy is very simple, and that’s the same trap I see this game falling in. I let my little brother play the demo and he pretty much stayed back and spammed magic the entire time. Watching him play, I would say the game’s combat is very basic and not good. But when I play, I can use air combos and double jumps and other stuff, so someone watching me play would say the combat is good. It’s just a matter of how much you’re willing to explore.
/thread
games are afraid of being difficult these days
If I report the Black folk to SE will they get sued? I just want to see moronic Black folk getting sued for shit and giggles.
XIII and XV are dragging V, VII and IX down
No. VIII is just that powerful.
> no X
>Even didn't even need X
>Will be much worse if the MMO count
Oddbros...
I think Joshua GF is cutter than jill besides being discount xion from kingsom hearts less authistic and emo
that's who she sorta reminded me of. Thought she looked familiar
combat from kh2, ff7r and ninja gaiden 2 is better but ff16 is pretty good so far as well
>watched the vod of the leaker playing the game at https://vod-secure.twitch.tv/f847412fadec90420180_blitzbladevx_42343381963_1687057200/chunked/index-dvr.m3u8
>absolute shit
holy kek you guys are really hyped for this because of some youtubers getting paid to like it? to hell with your disgusting standards
not as disgusting as your keyboard that has been flooded with your snot and tears from every single positive XVI reception you see on your screen
>redditbob
go back
meant to
Too lazy to check the stream, do they do side quests? If not then they'll finish the game before leaker-kun. Spoiler and leaks situation will be a mess kek.
They only do 4-hour streams, and they only passed Benedikta.
>action game
from what I played of the demo it felt like a movie game more than anything else
>genshin-tier combat
>masterpiece
lol, lmao even
honestly worse than genshin because in genshin at least you can make character builds and elemental interactions matter
And the chinkbugs couldn't help but to join Barry if it means they could promote their gambling app
>genshin combat
>spammy particle effect diarrhea against easy, target dummy enemies
>bad according to Ganker
>ff16 combat
>spammy particle effect diarrhea against easy, target dummy enemies
>good according to Ganker
Plenty of anons are calling this game out for being brainless garbage.
You have to ignore the morons bro. There are even people on this board who think genshin impact, breath of the wild, and all those other goyslop games are good.
You have to ignore the morons with 70 IQ points who will praise anything.
>Genshin combat
>no mechanical depth
>FF16 combat
>has mechanical depth
Wow, it's amazing.
>FF16 combat has mechanical depth
where?
In Eikon switching.
>In Eikon switching.
Gee almost like every action game before it... Except weapon switching
The same deal with KH2, Gaiden Black and Mortal Kombat.
Derivative, but that's where the depth comes from.
So every single action game before FXVI including DMC and Godhand have no depth? Got it.
Leaving your photophobia aside, aleast I don't have to gamble my life savings for every new Eikon power.
XVI's combat is ridiculously well refined. It cuts all the input tedium out of past Capcom and Platinum games and brings KH2 in line with sturdier animation.
>It cuts all the input tedium out of past Capcom and Platinum games and brings KH2 in line with sturdier animation
expand on this.
He's saying there's no DI inputs and that is akshually good
i ask him to expand because i find dmc's controls rather intuitive. i like that dmc doesn't have a modifier button like ready eikonic abilities, i like that dmc has multiple basic combos for ground/air (and that these combos are not 'input tedium' but rather easy to muscle memory due to their forgiving pause timing rhythm), i like that dmc lets me remap controls completely so i can have a setup exactly attuned to what i think makes sense.
xvi has good combat. that much is true. but i feel dmc's combat is still more intuitive and flexible than it. and saying the combat is better than kh2 feels... incorrect. kh2 has the best enemy reactions of any square action game ever made (and it's that aspect for which it's so highly regarded) and i just don't feel that in xvi. there's hitstun but it don't FEEL as good as kh2.
Dunno what else he could mean by his statement. I found the combat in XVI to be poor.
Until when is Barry going to have this continued mental breakdown? It's been going on literally every day since the demo released.
>Until when
This Pajeet has been posting since 2013.
Yeah but that was just salty Barry. This is fricking death con 1, full nuclear seethe Barry.
xhe already reached that point when forspoken flopped so bad the studio went kablam
now xhe's coasting on rage
he will continue to have a mental breakdown even if FF16 wins GOTY later this year, there is no stopping him. The only thing that will is when the next game he targets is announced so he can sabotage threads on that as well.
I think I saw someone say that the achievement list has been leaked, is there any cool gameplay achievements that would be fun to get or is it all basic story stuff and milestones that you'll get without thinking?
Wish I could get this but unfortunately I am not buying a PS5 for it.
I just did lmao, unboxed it and played the demo yesterday. They gave me a code for GoW Ragnarok too, not sure if I care to start that yet. I think I'll just wait for XVI to drop
Very undisciplined of you.
???? The only reason I didn't buy a Quintuple before was supply issues, and then I just kind of forgot about it when things eased up. I try to buy one of every console
I buy things based on whether I want to support the company. The only console I'd consider buying is the Switch.
oh tbh the switch isn't worth it, I stopped playing it once I got the Deck and just run my switch games on that
>The best library this gen isn't worth it
It really isn't. The only game I've actually played that wasn't boring as shit was MH:Rise and you can get that on PC.
you can still play the "best library" on the deck
also how would you know its the best library if you don't own a switch?
I'm (very slowly) working on getting the parts for a mini-ITX computer. I want the best of both words - a portable computer like a Steam Deck (possibly even buying and carrying a power brick with me) but one that I can upgrade.
What's your problem?
To the surprise of no one.
It's a shame not many of the posters here can analyse FFXVI's combat and understand why it's so good.
Conversation is now relegated to annoying fanboy bait between VII, XVI and whatever else.
Where's the leakergay
SE assasins got him
The boss moveset design in the demo is so good.
They've taken the raiding concepts from XIV and applied them to an ARPG.
With the majority of ARPGs and Character Action games, a lot of boss movesets are limited to the actual character animations.
With XVI, the example being the Garuda Twins and Garuda fights, the AoEs hitting the field are so good at creating space in the fight and forcing the player to work from a distance before closing in.
maybe I'm moronic but the camera was a nightmare in the chirada and suparana fight. I don't wanna dodge aoes and offscreen enemies if I can't fricking control the camera zoom
271 posts, 128 replies. Holy frick why is every thread like this?? What the hell is wrong with doomies?
there are ffxvi threads with more than 300 posts and less than 80 IPs
shill spam is everywhere
All me btw.
> I totally mean what I say, stay tuned for more infomercials!
Looks like a troony
stop looking at the mirror
>we are so back action game bros
>back
When the frick were you ever gone? Action game gays are probably the most privileged category of gamers second only to shooter shitters.
Elden ring is peak souls comba-
The last minute cope/doomposting/headcanon shit has been amazing. Fricking moving onto your next game already.
I don't know why people are zooming on Benedikta for the weakest character writing but from the leaks I've seen so far, Hugo is the prime contender for this. His backstory describes him as a cunning mind that managed to usurp his way into a part of the ruling body of his nation despite his brutish figure. But apparently throughout the game all of his actions are based on his loss over Benedikta's feathery puss and acting like a ragetard gorilla who smashes his way forward (both figuratively and literally) until he finds Clive and Cid.
Hugo just comes across as a massive simp, like Benedikta was just using him, but even 5 years later, after smashing the hideout to bits, he still wants more revenge on Clive by killing Jill.
They aren't. They're just coping with the fact that this was how a prominent trailer character was done in. It's brutal for what was going to be manys favorite character
that's part of what makes the Benedikta stuff is so bad. Basically dismisses two of the more popular characters as dumb and irrelevant. Cid/Benedikta/Barnabas backstory doesnt matter, Barnabas/Hugo/Benedikta doesn't matter, Hugo backstory doesn't matter, etc. Dion and Barnabas seem like they'll have more substantial roles which sucks because they are kind of boring.
These kinds of buzzwords are supposed to be used when the game is already released and everyone has played it.
Cid still have a chance to be a compelling character since his character mostly focuses on his fight against the racism. Benedikta was just one of the poor souls he couldn't save amongst many others, pretty sure he would quickly move on from her death.
This is the dumbest shit I've read. Every backstory matters no matter how small a character. And they're relevant in the 1at part of the story just like how dion and Barnabas are relevant in the last part of the story
Staggering is a shit mechanic.
The threads for XVI are fricking insufferable. You gotta wish a game like this was some indieshit that no one cared about.
That's because XVI threads summon the worst groups in Ganker.
>schizos from action threads like the KH DBSpic
>schizos from the FF threads like Barry and fanatics who think everyone who critiques the game is Barry
>console warriors
>politicsgays because of homosexual stuff
I'm probably missing a lot of people, but all discussion for XVI was doomed from the start.
I wish Jill would get raped, gotta wait for the porn I guess...
i wish you and your entire family would get raped
pretty harsh anon
That fricking leaker better give the game 10 in his review
Everyone told me the series lost it’s soul with X but the main director and the battle director have in their top 3, what gives?
>6 instances of Barry
Hey a XVI thread where Barry doesn't dominate 50% of the posts
FF15 was the downfall of FF games. FF should of never left turn based combat. Real time action combat is pure ass.
I wish it was turn-based so that it would get rid of half the schizos that plague these fricking threads.
You guys are idiots. No game this day and age should be turn based. Any turn based game would be BETTER if it wasn't turn based.
zoomers with zero attention span need to frick off.
Just look at these fricking threads. These are the type of people who like action. Every game should be tb just to spite you.
ff hasn't been turn based since 2002 moron
every 13 game is turn based moron.
>csb
>turn based
moron its literally stacked atb commands not fricking turn based
FF hasn't been turn based since FF4 which introduced the ATB system
ATB is turn-based you fricking mongoloid, try acting in the turn of an enemy.
Jesus christ these people have the IQ of a rock.
That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
Tarded
LET'S GOOOOOO ACTION GAME BROSSSSSS LET'S GET IIIIITTTTTTTTTTTT
Implying that the final fantasy series was ever good
JRPG? More like Gay Fart Pee-Pee!
https://twitter.com/Genki_JPN/status/1670089362355421184
>Yoshi-P said FF16 Combat Director Ryota Suzuki was NOT headhunted from Capcom!
Suzuki said he had been working at Capcom for 20 years & when DMC5 finished he thought about his next career plan. He asked about a FF14 game designer position & FF16 Director Takai was happy have him
tfw you wanted to work on ff14 the mmo and ban all troony players, but the headmaster said he needed your skills first.
He's the Combat Director of FFXVI, he was one of many designers in DMC and Dragon's Dogma. Of course the game he had the most say in will be the one he's most fond of. I don't know why FF tendies pushed the "it's THE DMC designer" shit so hard, he's one guy who worked on DMC. Not to downplay his involvement, but he's not Itsuno.
Which one of you reported the guys who were streaming the full game, I was just in the middle of watching that you buttholes
Why'd they report it?
for shit and giggles.
It was me and I'll do it again. Yoshida said no spoilers and no Black folk. That stream had both.
the only good thing about this game is that it has no Black folk
that automatically makes it better than any western game, but it's not exactly a high bar
Surprisingly, there is a Black person and he is a prominent character. He is just not homierdly enough for the fully pozzed crowd.
The devs of the game are fully pozzed themselves but happily serve pretenders who like to pose as "le based" and "redpilled" while assorting with various strange creatures.
i guess it has nothing good then
>there is a prominent Black person
>there is a prominent gay
>gay even has sex scenes
That stuff aint even hard to find. IRL they pandering hard as well.
Reminder that most people on Ganker don't actually play vidya, they just complain about them incessantly.
I thoroughly enjoyed FFXV and I will thoroughly enjoy FFXVI.
Xbots are seething even though they're getting starfield soon. Why?
I imagine this will be a lot of people's first FF game, looks very cool
kneel
When are the media reviews out?
21st