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Women always find a way to worm their way into everything and then they keep the door open for all the filth and dredge under the sun. They never create anything themselves, they just demand to be part of something men made and then they frick it up.
Looks like women wormed into tourbrain you overly dramatic homosexual
sad but true
Define "gatekeeping" and how one executes that.
Gatekeeping has to be done from the top down as much as the bottom up.
You didn't tell what gatekeeping even is.
If you don't know what it is, or are too fricking stupid to look it up and expect it to be spoonfed to you, you're part of the problem. Please kys yourself my guy.
Nice non-answer, NPC.
Thanks for the (you) Black person
>I'll pretend to gatekeep the definition of gatekeeping since I can't actually define it myself
theres good ways and bad ways to do it. The proper way to gatekeep and i suppose the definition would be to add some barriers to entry into any particular thing. Finetuning those barriers can be a bit difficult, but you definitely want some sort of filter there.
Gatekeeping became "a bad thing" when everyone was focused on inclusion, but the problem is thats also when everything become watered down and more about marketability than actual quality.
The entire point of gatekeeping is to make things a little bit difficult to get into so only the people that are truly interested in it stick with it and properly enter the space. Yes, communities were smaller, but they were also a lot more tight knit and focused. When anyone can just enter whatever community they want and start making demands and changes, the community never really takes off and just kind of flounders or dies. The products/projects stagnate because they have to be safe to appeal to everyone who hasnt put in any effort or work towards something, instead of focusing on and refining and elaborating on what made them great.
Inclusiveness is one of those things that sounds good, and is good to some extent - but things need a barrier to entry to filter out the people who are just going to hold things back.
>would be to add some barriers to entry into any particular thing
How exactly do you do that when the thing you are attempting to gatekeep is 1) not your property 2) a mass market product.
Maybe you're too young to remember, but pretty much every hobby and forum had its form of gatekeeping. The easiest way was basically just not spoonfeeding new members. The info is out there, make them search to get it for the more surface level stuff.
In things like woodworking or car repair it was basically not telling people the info that was in the published repair manuals or magazines with blueprints. Gaming used to be similar - if there was a mechanic that was a bit rough to understand, but could be completely understood with time/trial/error from in game materials then you simply don't spoonfeed everyone who asks about "how to make OP character" or "how to solve puzzle" when most of them are pretty easy.
Yea, gaming has got to a point where its gonna be hard as frick because everything is about the money - but its not impossible to have more dedicated hardcore communities with mods or even smaller more hardcore games that actively fight back against "press x to awesome" or "use this build to win".
>friendless behavior
projecting much? Neither myself or my friends like seeing things we enjoy be watered down and neutered because a bunch of fricking casuals who want to get into a thing because its popular for a month or two then have the whole thing setback years because they're trying to cater to all the new people who cant put in any effort into learning shit.
>The easiest way was basically just not spoonfeeding new members
The problem with that strategy is the existence of social media and paid community managers.
yep. A lot of that is on the dev, and yea, its hard to blame them when ultimately they have to make money so the publisher doesnt frick with them.
its beyond disgusting to me how many people just dont even try shit anymore. So many people basically will do nothing anymore if someone wont do it for them. Not even hobbies, even basic life skills like fricking cooking. I really dont understand why people are so afraid to try things on their own instead of demanding exact stepbystep instructions with handholding or just straight up not even attempting it.
Corporations raising cattle to easily fleece. Now stop noticing and go back to consuming, goy.
We need a more nuanced approach. homosexuals in this VERY thread wanted the definition of the word spoonfed to them. It's fricking amazing how far brains have rotted over the span of the last 10-15 years.
I'm genuinely interested in how this is achieved without being massive homosexuals about it. I remember some early internet communities flat out refused to document shit down, wiki it out, or do anything that would help concentrate information. Join the forums for a question, problem or any sort of troubleshooting shit and you have to play office politics for day or two, or in some cases weeks before some autist finally reveals that the solution, missing line in .dll or similiar is hidden in this dump of a forum thread or placed in the VIP side of the forum.
Necroing said thread gets you banned, creating a thread gets the thread locked with "Answered already" or something similiar and if you try to ask around you might just get flat out banned. I want to fix this fricking issue, find this tidbit or similiar, not interact with morons.
I would assume not going back to BBS era and dropping info collecting completely, but what's the alternative? Just dropping "maybe some barriers of entry need to be in place" doesn't really matter because depending on the severity of vaccination levels of the hobby, community or whatever, some of those are ridiculously tedious barriers which even fans won't go over. Sure, it might create safe havens for some marinara trench deep circlejerks but I don't think it's gonna be fruitful basis for any sort of barrier.
Just to be clear here, I don't think catering to room temp iq idiots will better the community, product or service, but being vague about what needs to be done is meaningless babble. I do know we live in a bit different era and in most cases simply googling the first keywords will reveal either the answer straight away or at least helps you forward, but still.
You're perfectly free to develop a friend group and keep undesired people out, honestly this whole gatekeeping talk is just friendless behavior from people who don't realize that most of internet relations are indeed private groups already.
You cannot gatekeep a hobby controlled by multi national corporations who have a legal requirement to maximize profits. Any attempts would be quickly defeated by the company as they do not gain anything from you doing this. How are you going to "increase barrier of entry" when you have zero control over game difficulty or changes?
You are an ant going against a God. Trying to gatekeep video games is a fools errand. You can gatekeep shit that isn't controlled. Like fishing or jogging.
>you create barriers
>parent company either bans you or removes your barriers
this, anti-gatekeeping culture is largely top-down, encouraged by the company controlling the hobby
True. All gatekept things are better. But you’re just not going to be able to do that with a major media. You can create specific communities but video games in general is too broad to be gated.
Pinpoint who has power over the community. This can be official or non-official discussion forum, where most fans gather, or the product's appeal itself gathering community around its unique aspects. Convince those in power that there is an invasion taken place within the community, caused by their lacking usage of power to control the community. Define the invasion and set measures to remove and stop certain opinions being expressed within the community. This can be done by setting rules to forums, or by removing unique aspects from the game that appeal to the invaders. Continue setting restrictions and removing components until victory can be declared over the invasion attempt.
There was never any gatekeeping. Being dysgenic and repulsive was naturally off-putting.
Gatekeeping was invented by israelites who thought they struck gold by stumbling upon the "next big thing" and were afraid of "silo mentalities" forming of plotting conspiratorial types.
Most subculture enjoyers were, one step away from the asylum, one step away from homelessness, one step away from prison, one step away from suicide, etc.
>my dad beats me so I play flight sims
>I was molested so I watch anime
>I'm a homosexual so i listen to punk and skate
>my mom's a prostitute so I lift weights so i can beat up my stepdad
>I'm too stupid at school stuff so I like guns and cars
>I got tired of being bullied so I got into sports
>I hate my life but I like my life when I do hard drugs and make music
>I'm not allowed to have any fun so I read textbooks all day
>I'm literally hallucinating but isn't it cool that we're all human beings
>My first toy was a computer and I never grew up
What do all these people have in common? There's always a chad version of them in each of these sub-groups. The chad ends up bringing in women and secondaries who think it's cool to be an outcast freak. israelites see the big numbers and turn it into a trend, this trend gives even more morons false hope; that they will become "cool hacker man" or "mysterious edgelord" or "whimsical hipster man" by flooding the entire community with their exclusionary normalgay ways. The community becomes diluted and indistinguishable from everywhere else.
>that webm
>next to that wall of schizobabble
What's life like, having zero self awareness?
>immediately refuses to engage with the content of my post
>still feels the need to reply
Normalgays are all the same, they larp as chad, and attempt to bully anyone who isn't chad. All they care about is winning the approval of chad. Everything else is just an obstacle.
>post schizobabble from the same mindset that claims imagination is "demonic"
>feel entitled to engagement with your schizobabble and not just mockery
>post schizobabble from the same mindset that claims imagination is "demonic"
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What's life like, having zero self awareness?
Spam dicky with every post
DON'T fall for this meme
don't be a janitor for a fandom on the internet kek
you are way better than that
We deserve it.
How exactly do you gatekeep vidya without coming off as a massive autist?
Doesn't matter how one comes off, as long as it keeps the undesirables away.
You don't. We have to lean into it. Besides, according to normies and roasties. "Autism" is in. We have a perfect scapegoat. I say, sperg out on every single fricking person who shows you their power level.
You're only personally keeping people away from you by acting a sperg, that won't make them magically stop buying games you don't like.
>keeping people away from you
Wow look at the brain on Brad!
That's the fricking idea.
Then practice what you preach and gatekeep yourself away from this board.
>gatekeep yourself
coming off as a massive autist IS the only way to gatekeep shit.
say Black person every possible opportunity
I have had people ask me if monster hunter world is a good game to start with and I just lie and tell them that a lot of the best fights were timelocked and unavailable now which to be fair isn't far off
The same way every other community gatekeeps. I don’t see car and gun enthusiasts getting shit do calling people out.
That's because cars and guns are expensive and cost is the biggest regulation of all.
You don’t have to own a car or gun to be into them man.
Women decided that video games are for literally everyone.
So now they are. Except you can't make something for everyone, so they settle for making games for no-one instead.
Money is the most definite form of gatekeeping
Fellow gamers we should increase the cost per game to $400, let's make it possible.
t. totally not a publisher :^)
I do not understand posters like these who are massive autists, yet seem to hate other massive autists and are TERRIFIED at the concept of normalgays thinking they are a massive autist.
>yet seem to hate other massive autists
becuase they see themselves in them, specifically what they hate most about themselves, hence
>are TERRIFIED at the concept of normalgays thinking they are a massive autist
display a false pretense for your concers, like altruism or ethical correctness. Pretend to be unemotional. Alternate between being concerned and disinterested depending on what's beneficial to the presentation
Just make up absurd lies about games you like and make them sound like garbage so no one wants to play them
Gatekeeping games in general is impossible as gatekeeping film, it was always meant to go big. Gatekeep your favorite series and even a more hidden genre, but gaming as a whole was beyond saving the moment companies got a taste of the money.
ooooh banana
this quite honestly
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>he doesn't know Hexa
OH NO NO NO
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If your game isn't significantly autistic to inherently gatekeep it's probably not worth gatekeeping.
Technically they gatekept themselves out until gwaphics got better
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I LIKE BANANAS
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NO MATTER WHERE I GO
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I LIKE BANANAS
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I tried, but you all found it regardless. Lmao fricked pwned.
I will never give invites to private trackers or recommend games played by less than a handful of people. Frick all of you
Reminder: The only ones complaining about gatekeeping, are the ones the gate is meant to keep out.
>muh kafkatrap
We didn't gatekeep the internet. All downhill from there.
social media was the first sign of cancer
you didn't create gaming, you can't gatekeep it. just like with any hobby.
if there was a nerd shop where you lived, that you bought comics, games, tabletop stuff, miniatures, you were already part of opening up that "hobby" onto others.
A game community's gate is the game. If you play it, you're part of it. End of story. If video games are getting worse, that's a different story. You don't like some people, make a game that filters them, writing or gameplay wise, simple as.
gatekeeping is a myth because all of you complained how it failed or never happened
We aren't talking about the hall of cost.
99% of Ganker never played my favorite snes game and it will stay that way for 5 more decades when i'm on my death bed
The bar of entry for video games is too low and women have done nothing but lower it further since they guilt-tripped men into including them.
Don't think I've forgotten the years of "stupid boys and their video games". Oh yeah women aren't happy to be reminded how they went decades if saying games were for virgin nerds, but that suddenly stopped being the case the second they realised they could get attention through video games.
Another hobby ruined by their incessant need for validation and attention. Should have never fricking let them in, games were better when they were for and by the virgin nerds women now claim they never made fun of.
How do you properly gatekeep a hobby, anyway? I don't know where this idea that people will leave just because you tell them to came from.
You don't. The only gate is monetary cost and given how easy piracy is and how many people here love it, uh, lmao
Makes fun of the niger trying to fit in skateboarding, escalate if he doesn't leave in a week
By telling morons to frick off instead of welcoming them, when it's obvious they didn't even bother spending 5 seconds looking shit up before asking moronic questions.
People that can't be assed to put in the bare minimum don't actually give a shit about the hobby, they just want a place to hang out.
>By telling morons to frick off instead of welcoming them
Breeding a hotbed of a toxic atittudes is not a well gatekept community. Good thing people like you have no authority
>join a group
>they tell me to frick off and die
>refuse to leave
>act like I've always been there
>eventually they stop caring
>someone new joins the group
>immediately send him a picture of tubgirl
>the cycle continues
It actually does work.
Invite only system does a good job at it
I think the only way is to not really talk about it or share much about it online. If you like something, best to keep it to yourself and only share only with close friends/loved ones. This rule especially holds true of special places (resturaunts, parks, etc.) and travel spots. Always significantly downplay how great it is so more people don't go to it.
OOOOH BANANA
Op here, this was the real reason I made this thread. I was looking for this rotating banana. Thread's over. Have a rotten day.
bananas
RO TA TE
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What does this banana have to do with it
If you know, you know
>he doesn't know
Gatekept =^)
ooooh banana
Atheism?
Name one community that was saved by gatekeeping?
the donkey kong 64 community
Stupid question. No hobby has successfully been gatekept because men will let women into anything just to stop the nagging and accusations of sexism, misogyny and "boy's clubbing".
The only hobbies that are safe are the ones that women can't get attention from through joining, like fishing, hunting or bug collecting.
Boy do I have bad news for you, there are already attention prostitutes in hunting and fishing. If you live in the south it's considered a status symbol to hunt, fish and have a pick up truck, so naturally women gravitated towards that shit like flies on a troony.tyranny.
Pic unrelated
If the can do it without having to tell everyone that they did for ass-pats and validation I don't care. Unfortunately women seem wholly incapable of doing anything by their own volition unless the end goal is attention.
god forbid women have hobbies
Name one.
Watching TV, and scrolling on shitok don't count.
fishing
and hunting 🙂
>horseback riding
>arts and crafts
>yoga
>yaoi
>softball
This image made me actually laugh out loud, after seeing the original at least 7 times.
3d and 2d production piracy communities
obscure/illegal music piracy communities
obscure/illegal movie piracy communities
and it will stay that way
>iphone poster crying about gatekeeping
I'm so tired
wtf is this moron thread about?
banana
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that's not true, it's only one banana
Imagine I typed the exact same comment but the font is 5 times larger and actively shakes the room you're in.
You can't gatekeep shit when there are so many morons who will let even more moronic morons in. And then you try to gatekeep but realize they're already on this side of the gate.
>Creator of the Game/Work purposely invites and lets in people who you want to gatekeep into the hobby.
You were never going to gatekeep AAA
get enriched, colonizer
If you have to gatekeep something its because its shit and you arent smart and unique.
Media, not only games comes with natural filters, same reason you don't need to gatekeep something like dwarf fortress which has a good community.
When you gatekeeping you are defending your ego, not your tastes
>Gatekeeping
A fricking meme.
Do you want to know how "geek" stuff was gate-kept? The sort of people that liked that shit were originally socially incompetent austismos, genetic refuse. The ugly, the socially maladjusted, the introverted losers.
Normalgays as you call them, being socially competent, usually gravitated towards highly social activities. Going to sports games, doing drugs with each other, going to concerts, doing social hobbies.
Playing videogames, playing tabletop games, model kits, watching anime, reading comics and manga.
These are all activities enjoyed by people with godawful social skills or other maladies because most of them can be done alone and they're things that just happened to not appeal to normalgays at the right spot in history.
I've gone to anime clubs in college, nobody there is ever attractive, nobody there is ever socially competent.
These hobbies used to filter normal gays because they were enjoyed by genetic trash. It is completely natural to feel hatred towards people who are genetic trash, it's more of a western cultural morality that has you reassess that those feelings are wrong or unfair.
For example. Why do people try to shelve away Downs children from society? Well because in nature a bunch of teenagers would probably beat them to death.
All this shit Ganker loves used to be contained because everybody was so autistic normalgays did not want to join you. But then Big Bang Theory came out and if you get attractive people to enjoy shit and use it as an excuse to socialize, normalgays will start doing it. When they do it, they do it hard enough to drown out the stereotypes so that the ugly cave troll autists don't have to be involved with them.
TL;DR Hot sociable people hate (you) and don't like what (you) like, but if enough of them start to like what you like they'll force you out.
And they have the audacity to complain when we gun them down
That's the governments fault, we all know in a roman society it would be the other way around.
That's not what normalgay means.
>come to hobby site
>make moronic statement about how all people with hobbies are dysgenic morons who nature and tradition would slaughter
>post reddit dog alongside andrew tate-tier take
I've been here for years, I'm just tired of pretending I'm superior for having "good tastes" compared to normal people.
The vast majority of society might be gullible drones but beauty always wins in the end.
That's my conclusion.
I've been friends with complete normal people and lowly autists I have mild autism and feel comfortable around people with worse issues because it makes me feel normal.
The dichotomy is clear, if you're ugly and mentally ill you're going to have different hobbies from attractive people because you are excluded at an instinctual level. Most human behaviors of needlessly complicated exaggerations of very basic things. If were all less sapient, social behaviors probably wouldn't change all that much.
Ask yourself, why is it when you imagine some particular stereotype of "geek" shit you imagine the ugliest sperg possible?
The freckles, the allergies, the shit eyesight, the speech impediment, the buck teeth, the odd clothing indicating autistic preservation and lack of consideration for personal appearance.
They all come together into one simple answer, this man is genetic trash.
Competitive online games with a low difficulty entry, ruined video games forever.
nice gate, moron. I can just ignore it and buy/pirate a video game anyway. this is the least gate-keep-able hobby to have.
This. Companies also invest billions to make sure everyone at every corner of the earth will know and purchase their game. Gatekeeping was lost when AAA became the norm, now AAA is completely ran by investment companies like the big three that just makes things even worse.
The moment the jannies and mods became absolute b***hes(still gays) and started banning people posting gore, off-topic or just being absolute spergs because advertisers! Ganker died.
this isn't /b/. you want to post random threads? go there. there is a reason Ganker became a separate board
go to the sharty and see that it's even worse there lol
looks like the hands-off approach isn't what anons expected
Old Ganker gatekeeping:
>normalgay presents itself
>immediately shut down with e-girl and gore
>newbie presents itself
>immediately told to frick off and lurk more by everyone in sight
>furgay presents itself
>immediately told to yiff in hell by everyone in sight
>feelsguy and sadfrogeposters told to frick off by everyone in sight
Ganker today:
>normalgays in droves on every board
>*crickets*
>newbies in droves on every board
>*crickets*
>furgays in droves on every board
>*crickets*
>wojak and redditfrogposters in droves on every board
>*crickets*
It's tragic to see what this place has become over time and depressing knowing it only gets worse from here.
The part you left out:
>everyone trying to do old Ganker gatekeeping starts getting banned
>feelsguy and sadfrogeposters told to frick off by everyone in sight
old Ganker was looooong gone by the time feelsguy and sadfrog came around
well duh. eventually places need new members as they old ones leave, an hero, or discussion simply ceases to exist. change and erosion is inevitable.
Oooooh Matlab!
WE? Speak for yourself
let me guess you need more
Part of it is just the sheer amount of people who know about Ganker now. If even a small percentage of those homosexuals get through our gatekeeping methods, that's enough to permanently flood the site in homosexualry. The gatekeeping options available to us in the first place are very weak. This was inevitable. Ganker really was only good when it was a sekret club (which it was, no matter what anybody tells you)
so many other chans that the average Gankerner will never see
>bismuth banana
oooh
My mom only ever bought video games when I was a kid so she could have something to play while we were at school
>nearly twice as many replies as there are posters
shit thread
>average tard on here thinks gatekeeping means being a ginormous homosexual troll to everyone they talk to
>instead of what gatekeeping really is supposed to be about is being excellent to like minded people and building a strong community. So the people not interested naturally leave.
Have you considered that perhaps you are the one who was supposed to have been gatekept?
is this thread still about bananas
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You did gatekeep people. Your genres (arena shooters) died and people made their own games and communities to have fun in. Now you're mad that you don't have a community and they do, and the community they built is gatekeeping you.
WH40k is probably the greatest example of what happens when you fail to gatekeep
>grindark setting that isbpopular but still under that radar for decades
>untill some Russian in his basement makes a well-made animated short
>the gates were not opened so much as the hinges were ripped off as every troony and basedboy flooded in
Astartes and its conquences has been a disaster
>someone i don't like is enjoying something in a way i don't approve of
Grow up.
Anon there's better examples than this. Using WH40k as an example is outing you as a moron. It ALWAYS made brutal fun of hyper masculinity and totalitarianism. The Skaven are a mockery of german soldiers being ratlike and violent.
Gay shit is completely in line with gayhammer. morons just missed the point of it and thought it was their heckin representation instead of sticking to based and redpilled tabletops like d&d 2nd edition or Nechronica.
warhammer was always fricking gay
It was not a single event that suddenly made WH40K appear on peoples' radars. No fricking way. You have popular vidya like Dawn of War and others doing really well for its time to thank for that way more.
lefbreasts tell others not to gatekeep and they gatekeep their own communities very well
Oh Bananaaaaaww
>tfw Ganker wasn't gatekept enough back in 2010 onwards
>tfw the people who were supposed to be gatekept from it are whining about no gatekeeping
Is this a sick joke to you?
The shiggy diggy era was the peak of this board and that was 2012.
>have been on Ganker since 2009
>get told from kids posting 2012 memes that you are too new
It is so tiresome
It's funny when the same people who preach about the importance of gatekeeping turn around and contribute to Twitter screencap threads