Hyper Sonic is a permnanent upgrade, he's cool as frick but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
This is a temporary upgrade just like the side games
Darkspine is equal to super sonic. Hyper is superior. Time stones aren't a transformation. I get what you mean but i understand SEGA not wanting direct upgrades, otherwise Super sonic would just be shit compared to Hyper
>Super sonic would just be shit compared to Hyper
He already is anyway. I never keep SS when playing S3K.
The difference is in accessibility. Sure, Hyper is better but it also takes way more effort to reach
The Sonic fandom has always been that autistic especially the Archigays. Archiegays are the ones trying to convince everyone that Archie Sonic is the strongest in fiction. The mere mention of our hero, Son Goku, is enough to send them to a frenzy. Want a topic with 500 posts? Make a thread about Archie Sonic and then mention Goku 20 posts in.
>Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
Thanks for proving me correct, Sonictard.
>but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
implying Sonictards don't already wank the blue rat to multiversal power levels that would realistically allow him to one-shot any enemy weaker than Solaris
>Unironically implying base Knuckles is multiversal
Sonictard.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Super Sonic has only taken damage from power also harnessing control over the Emeralds
Knuckles?
>The literal sole guardian of the MASTER Emerald cannot negate the power of the chaos emeralds due to not only his connection with the Master Emerald, but with his literal fricking godlike strength
morons, both of you.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>trying to headcanon that Knuckles has passive Chaos Control abilities now
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Super Knuckles doesn't exist
10 months ago
Anonymous
Tails has Chaos Control passive abilities as well then? I guess he can also control the master emerald if he wants to give it a shot.
10 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but knuckles is shown many times he can sense and interact with chaos energy many times, whether that be finding the master emerald's shards or using it to stop the chaos emeralds in SA2
10 months ago
Anonymous
>whether that be finding the master emerald's shards
That's not something exclusive to him, Rouge can also do that in SA2. >using it to stop the chaos emeralds in SA2
That's not something exclusive to him. Harnessing its power is a thing others have done, like Mecha Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Harnessing its power is a thing others have done
He was controlling the master emerald to stop the chaos emeralds, something only he and some other echidnas like Tikal can do.
10 months ago
Anonymous
rouge is more likely to just have tech due to being a literal fed vs knuckles actually having power
10 months ago
Anonymous
Rouge is a mercenary and Team Dark are canonically not friends.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Tails comes from a tribe built around the Master Emerald
Stop being a disingenuous moron.
10 months ago
Anonymous
But he can also go Super State? What's the difference then?
You're the one that brought up Knuckles being able to go Super.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I also brought up the connection to the Master Emerald and his strength, which you also conveniently ignored to prove your nonexistent point.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Man, it would've been convenient if he had been around to use his anti chaos energy powers to neutralize Chaos during SA1 or any of the following enemies
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Man, it would've been convenient if Sonic characters were properly used instead of being Sonic's cheerleaders
Agreed.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic & Shadow games, b***h.
The rest will be support cheerleaders and you WILL enjoy it, then the finale will be Sonic and sometimes Shadow as well going Super against a planet sized Kaiju.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>a tribe built around the Master Emerald
the only connection his moronic clan had with it was being near the actual guy that had a connection to the emerald, they tried to use it and got owned then he came around to protect it
10 months ago
Anonymous
>a character who can be HIT by knuckles is more powerful than Gokus mode where he is unhittable
im a sonicgay but there is no shot super sonic is comparable to UI, not even the homosexual hypersonic
sonic power levels are toned down because you actually have to play the video game as these characters
the only off power level is shadow cause the marty stue is immortal, as fast as sonic, has super strength, has chaos powers built in because of his chaos demon blood, AND he rides a motorcycle and has a gun
10 months ago
Anonymous
I find it hilarious that sometimes you still see people go >but sonic has chaos control!
When Goku devised methods against a time stopper and can move instantaneously himself.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>devised moves against a time stopper
Yes and no. Hit could stop time, but only for a small amount of time. Chaos control lasts for several seconds, and does not revolve around the strength of the user. Said strength allows them to challenge dimension eaters, of which only anime Zamasu comes to mind in threat and scale. The end being superior to Solaris in that even Super Sonic (and likely the powered up variant) wont be able to beat or put down permanently
10 months ago
Anonymous
>>a character who can be HIT by knuckles
That upscales knuckles you moron, whom Sonic surpassed in base by the end of Sonic 3, Sonic is shown to surpass his super forms many times.
And Solaris dwarfs the entire DB verse by erasing an infinity of timelines, frick, the maginaryworld alone scales above the verse due to having an innumerable number of universes.
10 months ago
Anonymous
no shit moron
it upscales a frick off character to cosmic level
SO when we ask the question >if base knuckles could punch the fricking hyper out of sonic why was eggman able to take over the world when sonic was captured while knuckles was on the front lines?
that means either hyper sonic is barely a power up not even close to fricking super saiyan 1 let alone UI OR eggman is a giga cosmic entity choosing to dick around on the baby animal planet for shits and giggles
so in order to make eggman as a threat believable you have to accept that sonics power level isnt as high as a literal god like goku
only shadow would theoretically be possible but only because hes ageless so after a time skip he could become that strong
10 months ago
Anonymous
>if base knuckles could punch the fricking hyper out of sonic why was eggman able to take over the world when sonic was captured while knuckles was on the front lines?
Infinite
10 months ago
Anonymous
Knuckles couldn't even stop a gay lizard from teleporting lmao
>Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
Unless you're pulling from non-canon comics that Sega doesn't acknowledge, no Super Sonic isn't stronger than UI. We haven't even seen the peak of UI, and each time Goku uses it he gets some new bullshit power.
>but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
implying Sonictards don't already wank the blue rat to multiversal power levels that would realistically allow him to one-shot any enemy weaker than Solaris
>Sonictards don't already wank the blue rat to multiversal
Because he's been multiversal since beating void in base form in shuffle, moron, and he already did the feats in multiple games, not just 06.
>but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
The Sonic fandom is already at that point.
Also Hyper doesn't have to be a permanent upgrade. Just keep the Super Emeralds at a concept of needing to be recharged by the M.E. so that Sonic can't rely on it all the time. Christ it feels like the Sonic fandom is allergic to thinking of lore concepts.
>endless power level homosexualry >when other games keep throwing shit like multiverse destroying djinn, Eggman wielding the power of multiple universes, cosmic gods, entities that devour the space time continuum, reality warping frickers and all that other shit
This, it's like Goku going from SSJ to Ultra Instinct
There's no series if Hyper makes it pointless
And no, you can't "just keep going" it ruined DBZ with Super and Sonic going past platformer into God fights simulator actively goes against the core brand.
If they did this they'd have to push classic as the main branch to rival Mario while modern is the spinoff more like a action RPG. Otherwise it's pointless.
>Hyper Sonic is a permnanent upgrade
Not if you just make up a reason for the Super Emeralds to go away after it which is piss easy in a setting where literally anything can happen.
like after they are used... when they scatter like normal.
and they have to be directly near the master emerald or currently being used otherwise they revert after a short period of time.
really assumptions like that could already be made.
That or maybe they can only turn into Super Emeralds after gathering energy for a long time so for the Sonic cast it was only a one time thing and gives potential for it to be done again with the Emeralds in Silver's time, if you really want to go there, you could really go anywhere with it but instead ST is just like "uhhhhhh not canon I guess lol" because they're allergic to creativity.
>Super Sonic but he’s EVEN MORE SUPER DUPER
I don’t get this autism about hyper sonic. It’s a kinda cool reward but to make it actual real canon is lame as frick.
Why care that much about it? Why can’t it just be that cool reward? What benefits are gained for making it a more real thing in story and making super sonic even more lame and pointless?
>Why care that much about it
Why should SEGA care so little of it?
Why should their dictation be the reason why I should disregard it?
Everything so far of the Cyber Sonic form is just Hyper 2, if it's a momentarily thing then it's even more dumb.
I also think the cyber shit form is also dumb and shit. But I really think there shouldn’t be more forms after super sonic. Frontiers already made it lame and people are eating up the new shitty form and want hyper back too. It’s literally infinity times infinity
There's also cyber corruption static.
If it's just a reskin then its lame.
If it's not, then its the equivalent of Hyper in 3K having the proto-homing attack making it clearly more powerful than Super.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>There's also cyber corruption static. >If it's just a reskin then its lame.
You do know that's literally going to be how it actually shows up in game, right? CGI is not gameplay.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You do know that's literally going to be how it actually shows up in game
Yes I am aware that SEGA is dogshit that fricked up so badly that either direction they go in is just them fricking up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>If it's not, then its the equivalent of Hyper in 3K having the proto-homing attack making it clearly more powerful than Super.
No, it's not. Hyper is clearly a god state in power, it insta nukes almost everything on screen it's literally a gag power up
Cyber Super Sonic is just Super Sonic with a bit of more power, like a jump from a car to a trunk, not a car to the entire universe.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>it's literally a gag power up
It's not. Busting badniks is not on the same scale as fighting Titans. >Cyber Super Sonic is just Super Sonic with a bit of more power
We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Busting badniks is not on the same scale as fighting Titans.
But any infinite amount of them on screen instantly? That's either immense strength or immense speed. The titans fricking collapse with Super Sonic, why the frick won't Hyper just insta shot them?
>We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
And it's not going to be some massive jump in power like you think it is when they actively stated "no DBZ power wanking shit"
It means it's going to be "just enough" to beat the end and then never come back ever again. It's a smart move.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>why the frick won't Hyper just insta shot them?
Because there is an element called writing where that wouldn't be a thing if SEGA wasn't moronic with their lore. Also Hyper's ultimate attack does hurt bosses like it does badniks. >And it's not going to be some massive jump in power like you think it is when they actively stated "no DBZ power wanking shit"
No. You're inflating Hyper to Z tier bullshit while I'm trying to make it a clear upgrade, but not an absurdly powerful.
Almost like what SEGA is probably going to do with Cyber Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You know damn fricking well they can't use Hyper Sonic and make it barely an upgrade to Super because all the tacoballtards that watched fan animations since their were babies would bomb SEGA if Hyper isn't Ultra Instinct levels of brokenness. What you want isn't what people want and if the people don't get what they want it will just be another 06 scenario all over again
Either surf the wave or jump the shark. Hyper is the SA3 of forms, it will kill the IP if used wrongly and "save the IP" if used correctly. And by save i mean reach a dead end because it will never be "topped" like "SA2" apparently.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>because all the tacoballtards that watched fan animations since their were babies would bomb SEGA if Hyper isn't Ultra Instinct levels of brokenness
See that's just SEGA being fricking moronic and damaging their own brand in the process over the years, and you trying to scapegoat.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Too bad. It's not their fault American autism is far far worse than Japanese autism, of which they didn't expect people to obsess over a palette swap power up added into their game.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Too bad. It's not their fault American autism is far far worse than Japanese autism
Now you're just seething like an /sthg/tard.
Either way this is all because of SOJ AND SOA being idiots in handling their lore.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
The script for update 3 leaked months ago.
Sonic doesn't get an entirely new form, he gets a limited, one-time ability after passing the Ancients' trials. He then uses said ability while in his super form to fight The End.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>he gets a limited, one-time ability after passing the Ancients' trials >he gets a limited, one-time ability
Hyper's flash shot. > after passing the Ancients' trials
Super Emerald stages
Oh wow so it really is similar to Hyper Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
No, Hyper is a new form entirely, while this new ability has only a limited amount of usage that Sonic could also presumably use while in his normal state, he just uses it as Super Sonic to help even the odds.
It's essentially like the cyloop, which Sonic can use in both his normal and super states, but the cyloop doesn't make Super Sonic like Hyper Sonic, obviously.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah all this does is confirm no one fricking played Frontiers at all and don't get the context to the story what so fricking ever.
This is why you shouldn't pander to secondaries.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>while this new ability has only a limited amount of usage
Again that’s Sonic being bad at lore management.
Which doesn’t surprise me because the K release of S3 actually improvised on the original lore but Sega is never going to take advantage of it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Again that’s Sonic being bad at lore management.
The explanation is that this new power isn't completely "synchronized" to Sonic's form or whatever, since it was made to be used by the Ancients, hence its limited usage.
10 months ago
Anonymous
My point still stands.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What does "being bad at lore management" even mean.
10 months ago
Anonymous
That they don’t have to fall back in establish lore and that Sega can just make new bullshit on the fly in which people will gladly accept.
Most notably Gaia lore and Echidna lore and Ancients lore all having at one point predating the last original supposed holders of the emeralds with tons of head canon trying to piece them all together for Sega.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, well yeah I agree on that. That's partly why I stopped giving a shit about Sonic lore over a decade ago.
It's also why I find it funny that they bothered to put together a "lore team" even though the devs are clearly just going to keep making up shit as they go and retcon past shit whenever they feel like it. One of the most pointless endeavors I've seen in a while.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>it insta nukes almost everything on screen
So, within about 20 feet of him? That's not god anything.
Whitehead those are the statues that replace the Emerald's at the shine when they aren't there. You see them in Adventure albeit with colour for some reason.
I don't get this OP.
Wasn't it just Sonic turning into normal Super Sonic?
I never paid attention to the eye color, is that what people are blasted over?
The bubble only happened in heroes because they had to split super power into 3 parts, and the emeralds just couldnt cope with that. 2 has been done before in SA2, but even that was shaky because it couldn't cover Shadow's inexperience with going super, and it dropped him out. This didnt happen to Sonic because he's gone super before and knows how to pace himself burning through the chaos energy.
So in heroes, Sonic took the most of the power to go full super, and they made due with having to split the power 2 more times on top of that for Tails and Knuckles, hence just the floaty bubbles for them instead of full forms.
Shadow lost his form because he fricking sucks. Could he do a chaos controls with a fake emerald? He was basically shitting his pants when he saw sonic again
What exactly are Super Sonic's feats besides being invincible for a short time that put him above fricking Ultra Instinct? Goku was multiversal level at Super Saiyan God, nearly shattering the entire universe just from throwing punches. Are you telling me that Super Sonic is just somehow far above Ultra Instinct which is basically cheat mode with an instant dodge script and a limitless power boost?
>What exactly are Super Sonic's feats
Beating a lizard with a metal pole up its ass, jobbing to Dr. Eggman, jobbing to Knuckles, jobbing to Shadow, jobbing to a laser.
Reality destroying monster God that has to be defeated in the past, present and future all at once to be beaten (game is moronic with time travel, think of the eras as different locations)
>Solaris
WEAKER THAN CHADLY >It describes SS Gogeta and SS Broly's energy as being so powerful that it like...surpassed or broke the boundaries of the universe which transported them to that other dimension. When Broly slams Gogeta around and we see more reality shattering it describes it as something like Broly smashing Gogeta against the walls of space. When they exit the dimension it's described as them 'crumbling' the dimension.
Broly could barely break the ground when he was about to transform during Super Hero. Weird for a guy that supposedly has an infinite and uncontrollable power level.
Dragon Ball is too inconsistent with power scaling so I think comparing it to Sonic wouldn't exactly be precise.
Broly's whole thing is that he can't really control his power, getting it going and when it gets going. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvCCm2hz9Go
Reality destroying monster God that has to be defeated in the past, present and future all at once to be beaten (game is moronic with time travel, think of the eras as different locations)
Defeating Solaris, a high dimensional being who was going to wipe a cosmology of infinite universes (There are only 7 in Dragon Ball), each timeline contains a maginaryworld, a higher dimensional realm composed of nigh-infinite number of universes (there are only 12 in dragon ball) >nearly shattering the entire universe just from throwing punches
No, that didn't even affect the earth they were standing on, the strongest foe Goku fought was only Galaxy-tier, as stated.
Sonic wins via higher dimensionality + bigger cosmology.
Typo, I meant timelines, 7 in dragon ball before zeno did his thing in future trunks, I already specified the universes, which are 12
Universe 7 is a macrocosm. Compromised of multiple infinite sized realms.
>Universe 7 is a macrocosm
There are more sub-realms inside Sonic's universe alone than in Dragon ball, using the term "macrocosm" will scale you nowhere. >infinite sized realms
The universe has been stated to have edges and centers many times, that contradicts the term infinity
Dragon Ball original had more universes and on top of that, Dragon Ball universes are fricking massive, far more massive than our universe and many others.
>Dragon Ball original had more universes
18? That doesn't help your case, that's smaller than infinity, so a low multiversal feat even if you destroy every one of them. Solaris had enough power destroy every single timeline, and there are an infinite number of them, and the maginaryworld alone contains universes comprised of dreams of every single being capable of thought, not to mention it being a higher dimensional realm.
Infinite universes don't have edges, it contradicts the term infinity.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>vague statement
10 months ago
Anonymous
>pic
Fricking lmao
There's no such thing as a "center" of an infinite space, that's basic physics.
A center is equidistant from the edges, and an infinite space has no edges. >unfathomable
Another word for many, which every universe has.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>unfathomable
Also means immeasurable, which is how DB universe has been described as. Infinite. Again, multiple sources are saying that DB universe is infinite.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>multiple sources are saying that DB universe is infinite
Secondary sources contradict the main source, the anime, again, an infinite space, does not have edges, or centers.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>trying to apply real life physics in fiction >ignoring offical canon
Again. DB canon> your headcanon. Is Sonic only mach speed because he can talk while running? Is he was light speed, he would not be able to talk because sound is slower than light?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>offical canon
the primary canon (the anime) already contradicts it.
And the secondary as well.
The kaoishin realm for example is 1/10 of the universe, how can you have 1/10 of infinity? Are you telling me we shouldn't apply basic math as well?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Kaioshin realm is also infinite in size. Also >no rebuttal to sound speed Sonic
Again. Toriyama, manga, and the offia guides are stating that the universe is infinite. Besides, Goku is also faster than Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic, by definition, is the fastest thing alive. Only way way Goku is faster is if he ends up in otherworld after getting ass beaten
10 months ago
Anonymous
Archie Sonic jobbed to the Flash. Flash needed over 4 billion people to amp him up to be faster than Instant teleportation. Cooler was intercepting Goku in IT back when he was a mere Super Saiyan. Goku is faster.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Imagine quoting Death Battle Didn't see them adding pic related to the equation. Haven's seen Goku do a feat like this.
This another Saitama situation where the character only works when he can One Punch stuff. Sonic is only Sonic when he's the fastest on screen, otherwise you fricked up the characterization. So he's faster.
10 months ago
Anonymous
He still lost to the Flash. And Flash wasn't amped. Everyone agrees with the result. Goku is faster.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic is faster.
10 months ago
Anonymous
sonic has toon powers
10 months ago
Anonymous
And Flash still has better feats.
10 months ago
Anonymous
None of the israeli superheroes have toon powers. Neither does Goku.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Every speedster will by default lose to archie Sonic since they have no resistance to his author's authority and plot manipulation.
10 months ago
Anonymous
None of the israeli superheroes have toon powers. Neither does Goku.
Flash literally is more broken than Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Fodder.
Sonic sees the flash as fiction, he can write him out of the story anytime he wants.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Again, read some of the Flash stories. He has much better feats than Sonic.
10 months ago
Anonymous
state some
10 months ago
Anonymous
Watch the Death Battle. They list all of his feats.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>taking death battle seriously
lmaoing @ your life
10 months ago
Anonymous
lol, either way, both have immeasurable speed feats, but Sonic outclasses in dimensionality + he has zero resistance to plot manipulation, so anyone with that hax can just write him out of the story
10 months ago
Anonymous
So what you're saying is that Super Saiyan Vegeta could solo the Sonicverse?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>israelite Battle
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Flash literally is more broken than Sonic
Flash is only paper level
10 months ago
Anonymous
>author's authority and plot manipulation
Author authority and plot manipulation shouldn't work on characters from different series. Like, how the frick would Sonic have author authority over Mario when Nintendo is bigger than Sega, and Mario as an IP is bigger than Sonic?
10 months ago
Anonymous
No because in powerscaling basically means you're viewing reality as fiction, transcending the verse and being 1 layer above it, and being able to shape the narrative of the story below you to whatever you want, many verses like scp and umineko have layers on top of layers, each layer capable of manipulating the script of the one below it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't really mean much. I know that Superman and Sonic are fictional, but I still could not beat them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I know that Superman and Sonic are fictional, but I still could not beat them.
You're a real life character therefore not eligible for powerscaling.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Death Battle shill >The same gays who say Toph beats Garra
kek
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Kaioshin realm is also infinite in size
No, you can't showcase an infinite space being smaller than another infinite space, that defeats the whole purpose of portraying something is smaller than the other, they would be the same size then. >offia guides are stating that the universe is infinite
Like this? A number expanding over time endlessly goes does not mean it's infinite in size, our universe does exactly that and it isn't infinite
10 months ago
Anonymous
Nat, but theres an infinite set of numbers between 1 and 2. But the infinite between 1 and 3 is larger.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>using statements from Daizenshuu 4 which were retconned in the Daizenshuu 7 >still no rebuttal on my question
Like I said. Try to keep up.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>x was retconned by y that came after it >no it being retconned by the anime (which is the primary source) after it is wrong because... well, it just is okay?
The daizenshuu has many contradictions, it's canon B, always assumed to be true until it gets contradicted by the main source, which is the anime.
Dragon Ball original had more universes and on top of that, Dragon Ball universes are fricking massive, far more massive than our universe and many others.
>Sonic wins via higher dimensionality + bigger cosmology.
DragonBall has 12 universes. Each of them, has a heaven, hell, and an observable universe. Per Jaco, the observable universe is infinitely expanding, and it's shown to have countless galaxies and stars. As shown in pic related, Heaven and Hell are larger than the observable universe. Then there's the Kaioshin realm which is roughly 1/3rd the size of the observable universe. Furthermore, there's the alternate timelines which also contain the 12 universes. We know that U7 has created timelines due to time travelling shennanigans, but the other universes should also have time rings.
By powerlevelgay logic, destroying a single "Dragon Ball" universe is a multiversal feat as it would involve the destruction of heaven and hell and all the way to the kaioshin realm. When Goku and Beerus fought, their energy was affecting the Kaioshin realm btw.
Still not gonna scale anywhere.
Every 7 of the special stages is a realm, every chaos emerald has a universe inside it (see radiant emerald zone), with different laws of physics, and that's just in Sonic's world, there are others like blaze.
Heaven and hell exist in Sonic. >there's the alternate timelines which also contain the 12 universes
There are infinite timelines in Sonic, and there are only 7 in Dragon Ball.
Sonic sucked up a few of the World Rings in Sonic and the Secret Rings and it turned him into a brawler because he was pissed and absorbed the negative-aspected rings. He's not invincible during it.
Sonic sucked up a few of the World Rings in Sonic and the Secret Rings and it turned him into a brawler because he was pissed and absorbed the negative-aspected rings. He's not invincible during it.
Oh wow, I just thought this was some dumb comic meme when I saw the OP.
Huh.
No where near as autist and epsiecally, the need for validation to likingthem
The 2000s generation of humans just need validation for this shit is why most people are intolerant to this behavior. It's magical how this is ok but trannies isn't when it's the exact same side of the same coin. I missed when fandoms were more niche and isolated.
>No where near as autist
No I guarantee you there are weird people who get way way too into Mickey Mouse and Popeye. Blaming it on zoomie woomie peepee poomies is not the move to make here
Very likely. The fact that they made "canon Broly" means that there's a good chance for a "canon GT." Given that they're in the "End of Z" era as of Super Hero, they only thing left is to "remake GT." Wonder if nu-Super Saiyan 4 is going to involve Ultra Instinct instead of Oozaru powers.
>GT with Supers writing
I don't think I'm ready for that, watch them ignore potential new Z fighters like Pan, Trunks, Uub, Goten etc again and botch the shadow dragons or especially SSJ4 so they can make the recolors look cool
Apparently, the leaks are saying that this GT remake will go full Journey to the west. Goku getting a new from that is a cross between Son Wukong/SS4, Shin playing a much bigger role. Sounds like pure Wuxia.
>the leaks are saying that this GT remake will go full Journey to the west
So the final battle will be Goku vs The Grand Priest? Grand Priest is prettt much the Buddha of DragonBall.
I figured it would be appropriate since it would be the DB equivalent of Sun Wukong vs Buddha. But if it's on the same level of quality as the Super movies, I'm in. The movies were easily the best part of Super.
10 months ago
Anonymous
The staff is pretty impressive. Some names were leaked and it seems that this show might actually be a masterpiece. Best to wait until comic-com or Jump festa for the reveal.
10 months ago
Anonymous
And if it is real, it's kinda surreal that we may end up with a canon Super Saiyan 4. Maybe Broly's Ikari mode was a prelude to it? Anyways this speculating about this stuff is cool, and it's nice to be excited for something DragonBall related besides Budokai Tenkaichi 4. Thanks Anon.
>watch them ignore potential new Z fighters like Pan, Trunks, Uub, Goten etc again and botch the shadow dragons or especially SSJ4 so they can make the recolors look cool
Well then it would be accurate to GT.
>it exploded on its own for some reason
Actually he had help from Sage who actually destroyed it and carried him through the whole fight by weakening the End for like 6 minutes straight and even had to throw Sonic to make him effective. Sage almost singlehandedly saved the world.
>The only point to talk about modern Sonic is to ultimately talk about DBZ
Yep, trash. It's borderline Modern Sonic is canon to DBZ tier how this shit goes down, now you see for the longest of time why the pre SA1 gays actively caused the Colorization of Sonic for 10 years. SEGA fricked that up by going too far past the pendulum but this autism split between styles of Sonic is a real needed change that I can only prey they don't frick up in just 2 games.
And especially now with Ian Flynn I really have next to no hope of this working out.
There is no point of return now. The SA2 movie will be the final nail in the coffin for classicgays. Zoomers and gen Alpha will become turbo autists with power level homosexualry once they witness the kino of Super Sonic and Shadow. And you know how SEGA yields to the masses.
How can you say otherwise after seeing THIS? HE'S DOING THE FRICKING SSJ1 GOKU POSE.
10 months ago
Anonymous
People like you don't get that Sonic wasn't JUST DBZ plagerism, he used to be more than just that one reference. But the 2000s fanbase made him just that, and now he's only just that with Frontiers. Classic had a plethera of inspirations, but now literally all of that is gone. Even Oshima can't really bring that all back with Superstars because shit like this is why.
Its very upsetting all Japanese media is reduced to this trash because the west itself is in shambles, almost like it was a massive psyop to destroy standards in media since 2006.
can somebody explain what this thread is about based on op's pic? what's with the blue eyes like was this in an actual sonic game or is it just fanmade
its from the trailer for the final update to Sonic Frontiers. he gets an upgrade for his Super form from absorbing cyber energy over the course of the game
>Kaido holding up the entire island >Get sneak attacked during party >Fight mink army >Fight Scabbards >Fight Worst Generation >Fight Yamatroony >Fight like 5 rounds of Luffy revival hax
Yeah no, man. Luffy totally beat Kaido 1v1. Super strong. Crew isn't goint to job to a shark right after and Gear 5 isn't going to break even with a pre-ts villain
Hyper Sonic is ugly so I could never understand why people liked it so much. Imagine that prismatic color-shifting nonsense in HD. It'd look like trash. Super Sonic is objectively the superior design. Just staying yellow is much more aesthetically pleasing than that rainbow bullshit.
Besides, the Super Emeralds can only exist on Angel Island. After collecting the Chaos Emeralds, Sonic placed them on the pedestals, turning them massive. Sonic couldn't carry them anymore, but he didn't have to because as long as he was on Angel Island, he could draw power from the Emeralds from anywhere. If the Super Emeralds returned in another game, you'd have to collect the Chaos Emeralds and place them on the pedestals at Angel Island again.
bruh moment, according to the experts Sonic (2-A high multiversal) is two tiers above goku and zeno (2-C low multiversal) so it's a stomp if a fight were to happen
yeah but there's no argument for 2-b (a multiverse with more than 1000 universes) let alone 2-a dragon ball, hence why this is a stomp, the sonic multiverse is larger
just like how they say "press x button to move my ass and make me boost", that's a game mechanic
super forms last as much as the user wants to, Sonic's super form lasted for days
10 months ago
Anonymous
sonic said that during a ingame cutscene where you switch to shadow, that's not an instruction, that's something he did himself
Advance games aren't canon, but even if they were, what makes you think Sonic wasn't collecting rings during the time he was super sonic?
10 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off, moron. Characters telling you to do certain game mechanics aren't canon. Outside of the Metal Gear franchise.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Sonic advance is canon, "everything is canon" wasn't a joke, every game in sonic is canon except chronicles for legal reasons
10 months ago
Anonymous
>shartchie is more canon than shartnicles
Based
10 months ago
Anonymous
>except chronicles for legal reasons
Did Penders actually sue them?
10 months ago
Anonymous
It was a mess. As we know Ken penders had over a decade of Echidna autism within the Sonic comics. Autism that Sega did not manage. So when Sega contracted BioWare to do Dark Chronicles, Penders accused BioWare of stealing his designs and character Concepts. Sega told Ken to shut the frick up and that Sonic was their IP but then Ken told Sega that he created all of those characters therefore they were his. There was a lawsuit although I can't remember who sued who but I definitely remember the result because it's the stupidest fricking thing you've ever heard. Sega never kept the original contract saying that any characters Ken invented still belong to them. They just lost it. So Ken was able to say that all of those original characters made in the comics were legally is and Sega couldn't say shit. Eventually they came to an agreement where Ken got to keep the rights of all of those characters he made. Which were really just the same characters with varying hair colors and glasses. In return Sega just nuked the entire comic continuity. 10 or 20 years worth of stories vaporized and one issue, they were all gone. Ken got to gloat on Twitter that he won though in reality he just got unbelievably lucky. But he's so lacking in self-awareness that he was getting ready to sue Paramount Pictures because in Sonic 2 they showed that Knuckles had a father and apparently Ken Penders invented the concept of Knuckles having a dad.
To this day I hope that Ken attempts to sue Paramount Pictures so they can expand his butthole
10 months ago
Anonymous
Penders actually did one good thing by having Chronicles legally raped out of the Sonic canon.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Dunno, Shade is cute
10 months ago
Anonymous
Shade isn't that cute.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Chronicles had the best story out of every sonic game
10 months ago
Anonymous
>tweets that did not age well
10 months ago
Anonymous
haha so funnyyyyy ironic bad game good xD
No the story is complete fricking ass in every way, the game is truly, absolutely fricking awful in every way and ends on a moronic fricking cliffhanger before Sonic and Tails discuss the entire Bioware staff in detail
FRICK chronicles
10 months ago
Anonymous
i wasn't being ironic, I really liked the story when I played it back in the day, the second half when they move to the other dimension was great
10 months ago
Anonymous
Play it again and realize how fricking stupid and wrong your younger self is and was
10 months ago
Anonymous
I used to like it too but then I stopped taking HRT.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I enjoyed Chronicles I was sad when there wasn't going to be a second one. It was the first game I beat working nights. And probably the last decent sonic game ever.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>last good sonic game was the game that I played as a kid
The Titans are all able to one-shot Super Sonic and The End has to be the most powerful Sonic villain ever, being able to stomp all four Titans at once
>the only way to defeat him is too make him run out of rings
*Blocks your path*
Lava Reef act 1 boss can also crush Sonic to death but that was probably retconned
just letting everyone know mario is stronger than every sonic except archie sonic. this is because mario with the super star is invicinble and one shots every enemy
fodder ability, invincibility boxes exist in sonic, already dwarfed by the superform
everything mario has sonic does better, even the dream depot is just a walmart maginaryworld without it being a higher dimension
>SonicRAT continues to plagarize the vernacular of the CHAD'S DEN
After the mediocre Sonic Frontiers, plagarizing CHADgon CHADll is the only thing the delusional little RAT has going for it.
Troll King explicitly stated after Sonic had gone super mode "sonic if you was fighting anyone else you wouldn't lose". This includes Goku, therefore Super Sonic > Ultra Instinct.
Saiyans have been seen to survive in the upper atmosphere of planets. Vegeta blew up the bug Planet at the beginning of Z from the upper atmosphere. Bardock met with Frieza in the upper atmosphere of Planet Vegeta before Frieza blew it up. And Goku and Beerus fought in the upper atmosphere of Earth. Dragon Ball makes a distinction between just hanging out in the upper atmosphere of a planet and being stranded in the vacuum of space. For example when Frieza decided to blow up Namek he remarked that the thing that would kill Goku wasn't the explosion but rather the fact that he couldn't breathe in space.
I don't know why the writers even try. There's a big training montage where Whis points out that Vegeta is too rigid in his training regimen and needs to loosen up to be more adaptable while Goku is too lackadaisical and lets himself take hits that he shouldn't. And those are reasonably true but Toriyama has no intention to change either character. They both go back to being the exact same as they were when the movie is over. So why even bring it up?
10 months ago
Anonymous
RessF was easily the worst movie imo, great animation aside.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>great animation aside
I feel like it has the worst animation out of all the movies.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Great in general I guess. Personally my favorite animation in the series is the latter half of Super. Broly is technically amazing but it zooms by so fast anything framed in an interesting way doesn't get enough screen time to be appreciated.
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I think in terms of training Goku is more powerful than Sonic. He's got 40-50 years on him now. Sonic has had his fair share of battles but he's still like what, 15?
Anyways, I do think that Sonic is only stronger due to the fact that Chaos Control is the superior form of energy compared to ki. Can't really do much else with ki aside from flowing loads of energy into places. Chaos Control while behaving similar, is much more advanced, allowing its users to manipulate space and time. We've seen the hedgehogs stop time, teleport, and make portals with it. Additionally, they were able to defeat an "immortal" timeline eraser, so perhaps it can somehow ignore armor or other types of energy, kind of like advanced Armament Haki. I even think that the fact that its name is an oxymoron helps express it's superiority.
If Goku had replaced his ki with Chaos Control then I think he'd be a million times stronger than Sonic.
>Chaos Control while behaving similar, is much more advanced, allowing its users to manipulate space and time.
You can do that with ki along with deleting souls, regeneration, teleportation, aborbing energy, open wormholes, fusion, destroying dimensions, etc.
Is it? I don't think moves like Instant Transmission involve ki, seems to be another thing like telekinesis. But who knows, Jiren was able to stop Hit's time skip because he was literally "too strong", so it might not even matter
You know what? Sonicbros are alright. This has been more entertaining than any of the good awful FF threads. I hope we get some good Sonic mods for Budokai Tenkaichi 4 so that we can enjoy some vidya together.
It's the same sort of shorthand for smug dick that's so relaxed that he doesn't have to hold a fighting stance but also doesn't just have his hands dangling. It's absolutely everywhere, especially in Dragon Ball whenever Toriyama wants a character to appear confident to the point of being wienery. And since Yuji Naka is a Dragon Ball fanboy, it pops up in the Sonic series too
>Shadow constantly OHKO's Sonic >Vegeta has only won against Goku in a fight ONCE in like 40 fricking years and it took him those 40 years to fricking do it
>Hyper Sonic is the Dragonball Z ripoff
You do know that Super Sonic existed before Hyper Sonic, yeah? And it came along 8 months after Super Saiyan debuted.
>SONIC IS STRONGER GOKU IS STRONGER SONIC GOKU SONIC GOKU
Oh my fricking GOD, who the hell CARES? Why the frick does any sort of conversation that involves these characters just inevitably turn into a fricking pissing contest? Why is this so important that you autists shit up any given thread you get your hands on, just to loudly proclaim "MY corporate fictional character can beat up YOUR corporate fictional character!". What do you actually get out of this?
Boiling down everything to "but can he beat Goku/Sonic though" is the saddest shit imaginable. Surely there are other qualities to these franchises worth enjoying that aren't this fricking worthless. Surely there's more to fiction than literal elementary school arguments.
>Being that fricking guy who enters a thread of over 400 replies asking, "WHO LE CARES???2"
Well first of all, you. You care so much you had a total pissrant metldown over how much you care. Embarrassing and pathetic.
I come into a SONIC thread, hoping to talk about SONIC games, only to find an entire thread of DBZ shitposts. No shit I'm fricking mad, because you jackoffs make it nearly impossible to have any sort of decent discussion. Eat shit and frick off, you worthless pissant.
That's rich coming from the namegay. You're even more worthless, because at least the average anon has the decency to not put up giant neon signs above their heads like desperate attention prostitutes.
Getting angry is not discussion, you have no leverage over anyone else.
>discussion is not discussion, but off topic shitposts are
Do you even listen to yourself?
Getting angry is not discussion, and it's all you've been doing since you got here, where's your contribution to actual discussion, or do you just want to be a mad homosexual and piss your pants?
I come into a SONIC thread, hoping to talk about SONIC games, only to find an entire thread of DBZ shitposts. No shit I'm fricking mad, because you jackoffs make it nearly impossible to have any sort of decent discussion. Eat shit and frick off, you worthless pissant.
>screaming kermit meme >comes into obvious shitpost bait OP and is upset to find shitposting >points this out when the thread is already above 400 posts and nearly dead >does not contribute anything to the thread since his posts are of the same quality as the shitposts and don't change nor fix what he's complaining about >if he actually cared he simply would have tried to make an actual sonic thread for discussion instead of going into the obvious bait thread
What difference would making another thread make when literally every Sonic thread into either this or schizos arguing over comic books? Nobody talks about the games themselves, which speaks volumes over how bad the series has gotten.
Yeah I realize this and that's fricked up when Mania was the complete and utter opposite. I really do think Frontiers is the death of this IP for good and the west not buying out SEGA by now was the biggest disappointment in modern history for me.
Not to mention had DB Evolution not happened we'd never get Super and the autism revival since. This is truly the worse timeline possible.
I come into a SONIC thread, hoping to talk about SONIC games, only to find an entire thread of DBZ shitposts. No shit I'm fricking mad, because you jackoffs make it nearly impossible to have any sort of decent discussion. Eat shit and frick off, you worthless pissant.
based, but too little, too late. sonic autism is already military grade, letting it mingle with dragon ball z autism is like giving a functioning nuke to the russians. might as well just pack it up and head to the closest cemetery so you atleast get a good spot
Enjoy getting banned by the actual moderation there.
What difference would making another thread make when literally every Sonic thread into either this or schizos arguing over comic books? Nobody talks about the games themselves, which speaks volumes over how bad the series has gotten.
The comics are the only consistently good part of Sonic.
Considering this game is about the origin of the Chaos Emeralds, and the enemy is implied to be not just the most powerful of all time, but one so powerful not even Super Sonic has a chance against it, I'd imagine this would be a great time to bring back Hyper Sonic. Just this once.
But Sonic Team just really doesn't want Hyper Sonic back. So wait for mods I guess.
I was supposed to make a Sonic thread but the image about to use didn't fit the file size and im too lazy to find another image. Is Sonic Origins good ? I heard there's an update recently
Fleetway Super Sonic is still the peak of transformations
based
FNF kiddie detected
Nope no Spark 3 posters here. They left when they saw the only competition itt was Hyper Sonic and UI Goku, both easily beaten by Sfarx.
>Spark
Gross
If super sonic wasnt in the comic no one would give a shit about fleetway
and?
Hyper Sonic is a permnanent upgrade, he's cool as frick but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
This is a temporary upgrade just like the side games
>if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
Because that doesn't already happen anyway, right?
Darkspine is equal to super sonic. Hyper is superior. Time stones aren't a transformation. I get what you mean but i understand SEGA not wanting direct upgrades, otherwise Super sonic would just be shit compared to Hyper
>Super sonic would just be shit compared to Hyper
He already is anyway. I never keep SS when playing S3K.
The difference is in accessibility. Sure, Hyper is better but it also takes way more effort to reach
Darkspine's not even equal, he can be hit and lose rings
Darkspine is way weaker than Super
And the last thing this series needs is to enable this kind of autism.
they dont have to enable shit. this happens regardless because the fandom is inherently autistic
>this happens regardless because the fandom is inherently autistic
All the more reason you shouldn't pander to it.
The Sonic fandom has always been that autistic especially the Archigays. Archiegays are the ones trying to convince everyone that Archie Sonic is the strongest in fiction. The mere mention of our hero, Son Goku, is enough to send them to a frenzy. Want a topic with 500 posts? Make a thread about Archie Sonic and then mention Goku 20 posts in.
The franchise already runs on distilled autism. That's the reason it doesn't die even if they release bad games three or four times in a row.
This is gibberish
Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
>Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
Thanks for proving me correct, Sonictard.
Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
But he is. Super Sonic has only taken damage from power also harnessing control over the Emeralds.
Dark Gaia hits does ring damage.
Also Big Arms but that's been retconned out.
>there are people who still believe this myth
>Unironically implying base Knuckles is multiversal
Sonictard.
>The literal sole guardian of the MASTER Emerald cannot negate the power of the chaos emeralds due to not only his connection with the Master Emerald, but with his literal fricking godlike strength
morons, both of you.
>trying to headcanon that Knuckles has passive Chaos Control abilities now
>Super Knuckles doesn't exist
Tails has Chaos Control passive abilities as well then? I guess he can also control the master emerald if he wants to give it a shot.
NTA but knuckles is shown many times he can sense and interact with chaos energy many times, whether that be finding the master emerald's shards or using it to stop the chaos emeralds in SA2
>whether that be finding the master emerald's shards
That's not something exclusive to him, Rouge can also do that in SA2.
>using it to stop the chaos emeralds in SA2
That's not something exclusive to him. Harnessing its power is a thing others have done, like Mecha Sonic.
>Harnessing its power is a thing others have done
He was controlling the master emerald to stop the chaos emeralds, something only he and some other echidnas like Tikal can do.
rouge is more likely to just have tech due to being a literal fed vs knuckles actually having power
Rouge is a mercenary and Team Dark are canonically not friends.
>Tails comes from a tribe built around the Master Emerald
Stop being a disingenuous moron.
But he can also go Super State? What's the difference then?
You're the one that brought up Knuckles being able to go Super.
I also brought up the connection to the Master Emerald and his strength, which you also conveniently ignored to prove your nonexistent point.
Man, it would've been convenient if he had been around to use his anti chaos energy powers to neutralize Chaos during SA1 or any of the following enemies
>Man, it would've been convenient if Sonic characters were properly used instead of being Sonic's cheerleaders
Agreed.
Sonic & Shadow games, b***h.
The rest will be support cheerleaders and you WILL enjoy it, then the finale will be Sonic and sometimes Shadow as well going Super against a planet sized Kaiju.
>a tribe built around the Master Emerald
the only connection his moronic clan had with it was being near the actual guy that had a connection to the emerald, they tried to use it and got owned then he came around to protect it
>a character who can be HIT by knuckles is more powerful than Gokus mode where he is unhittable
im a sonicgay but there is no shot super sonic is comparable to UI, not even the homosexual hypersonic
sonic power levels are toned down because you actually have to play the video game as these characters
the only off power level is shadow cause the marty stue is immortal, as fast as sonic, has super strength, has chaos powers built in because of his chaos demon blood, AND he rides a motorcycle and has a gun
I find it hilarious that sometimes you still see people go
>but sonic has chaos control!
When Goku devised methods against a time stopper and can move instantaneously himself.
>devised moves against a time stopper
Yes and no. Hit could stop time, but only for a small amount of time. Chaos control lasts for several seconds, and does not revolve around the strength of the user. Said strength allows them to challenge dimension eaters, of which only anime Zamasu comes to mind in threat and scale. The end being superior to Solaris in that even Super Sonic (and likely the powered up variant) wont be able to beat or put down permanently
>>a character who can be HIT by knuckles
That upscales knuckles you moron, whom Sonic surpassed in base by the end of Sonic 3, Sonic is shown to surpass his super forms many times.
And Solaris dwarfs the entire DB verse by erasing an infinity of timelines, frick, the maginaryworld alone scales above the verse due to having an innumerable number of universes.
no shit moron
it upscales a frick off character to cosmic level
SO when we ask the question
>if base knuckles could punch the fricking hyper out of sonic why was eggman able to take over the world when sonic was captured while knuckles was on the front lines?
that means either hyper sonic is barely a power up not even close to fricking super saiyan 1 let alone UI OR eggman is a giga cosmic entity choosing to dick around on the baby animal planet for shits and giggles
so in order to make eggman as a threat believable you have to accept that sonics power level isnt as high as a literal god like goku
only shadow would theoretically be possible but only because hes ageless so after a time skip he could become that strong
>if base knuckles could punch the fricking hyper out of sonic why was eggman able to take over the world when sonic was captured while knuckles was on the front lines?
Infinite
Knuckles couldn't even stop a gay lizard from teleporting lmao
>Super Sonic has only taken damage from power also harnessing control over the Emeralds
Knuckles?
Big Arms says hello
>Reddit spacing
Spacing isn't "Reddit" you fricking moron, it's just spacing. Dilate.
Kys redditoid. Go back.
Black person, homosexuals have been writting since that around the...90's? Probally even older
>falling for the redditspacing meme from a literal redditor who pushed blockposting
How to tell someone is a newbie and/or very gullible.
Go the frick back
or put on a trip so I can filler your autistic ass.
He is zarbon tier at best
Tao Pai Pai*
General Blue*
Bulma*
>Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
Unless you're pulling from non-canon comics that Sega doesn't acknowledge, no Super Sonic isn't stronger than UI. We haven't even seen the peak of UI, and each time Goku uses it he gets some new bullshit power.
>We haven't even seen the peak of UI
>each time Goku uses it he gets some new bullshit power
Really makes you think
>each time Goku uses it he gets some new bullshit power
NOW HE'S REALLY GETTING HUGE
>this time he's going to unleash and control the power of monkey
You don't understand. Game Sonic is stronger than even Zeno. He's only surpassed by DBH characters, as far as DB goes.
He's not stronger but he is technically invincible.
goku can punch the emeralds out
>Super Sonic is significantly stronger than Ultra Instinct
Literally made me laugh out loud
The time stones only worked on little planet. The world rings are also stuck in a book so who cares.
>but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
implying Sonictards don't already wank the blue rat to multiversal power levels that would realistically allow him to one-shot any enemy weaker than Solaris
>Sonictards don't already wank the blue rat to multiversal
Because he's been multiversal since beating void in base form in shuffle, moron, and he already did the feats in multiple games, not just 06.
>in shuffle
Kill all pablos
Source: Trusts vs battle wiki over common sense
Also lol
>counter source: I don't like it because my feelings
Really now?
I never fricking said that you absolute brainlet.
Then I'm glad we agree chadnic oneshots your favorite verse.
You literally have 0 argument besides your feelings.
But enough about (You)
>but if they introduced him it'd just be endless power level homosexualry.
The Sonic fandom is already at that point.
Also Hyper doesn't have to be a permanent upgrade. Just keep the Super Emeralds at a concept of needing to be recharged by the M.E. so that Sonic can't rely on it all the time.
Christ it feels like the Sonic fandom is allergic to thinking of lore concepts.
But they thought of Miracle Sonic
>can time travel freely
actually pretty nice for replayability
Super Sonic Rose
Sonic married Amy huh
What mod?
Sonic CD & Knuckles.
Adds a slew of popular mods you can toggle and in the settings such as miracle sonic and fast time travel.
>endless power level homosexualry
>when other games keep throwing shit like multiverse destroying djinn, Eggman wielding the power of multiple universes, cosmic gods, entities that devour the space time continuum, reality warping frickers and all that other shit
This, it's like Goku going from SSJ to Ultra Instinct
There's no series if Hyper makes it pointless
And no, you can't "just keep going" it ruined DBZ with Super and Sonic going past platformer into God fights simulator actively goes against the core brand.
If they did this they'd have to push classic as the main branch to rival Mario while modern is the spinoff more like a action RPG. Otherwise it's pointless.
>Hyper Sonic is a permnanent upgrade
Not if you just make up a reason for the Super Emeralds to go away after it which is piss easy in a setting where literally anything can happen.
like after they are used... when they scatter like normal.
and they have to be directly near the master emerald or currently being used otherwise they revert after a short period of time.
really assumptions like that could already be made.
That or maybe they can only turn into Super Emeralds after gathering energy for a long time so for the Sonic cast it was only a one time thing and gives potential for it to be done again with the Emeralds in Silver's time, if you really want to go there, you could really go anywhere with it but instead ST is just like "uhhhhhh not canon I guess lol" because they're allergic to creativity.
Why are people so autistically fixated against powerlevelling / transformation ladders? If it looks cool and plays cool, then I'm all for it.
Hyper Sonic is a very specific upgrade thats only ever happened once, that doesn't mean it's not canon
>Super Sonic but he’s EVEN MORE SUPER DUPER
I don’t get this autism about hyper sonic. It’s a kinda cool reward but to make it actual real canon is lame as frick.
It's about ST not disregarding possible lore when it suits their branding.
Why care that much about it? Why can’t it just be that cool reward? What benefits are gained for making it a more real thing in story and making super sonic even more lame and pointless?
>Why care that much about it
Why should SEGA care so little of it?
Why should their dictation be the reason why I should disregard it?
Everything so far of the Cyber Sonic form is just Hyper 2, if it's a momentarily thing then it's even more dumb.
I also think the cyber shit form is also dumb and shit. But I really think there shouldn’t be more forms after super sonic. Frontiers already made it lame and people are eating up the new shitty form and want hyper back too. It’s literally infinity times infinity
>Everything so far of the Cyber Sonic form is just Hyper 2
Anon it's just a eye color change.
There's also cyber corruption static.
If it's just a reskin then its lame.
If it's not, then its the equivalent of Hyper in 3K having the proto-homing attack making it clearly more powerful than Super.
>There's also cyber corruption static.
>If it's just a reskin then its lame.
You do know that's literally going to be how it actually shows up in game, right? CGI is not gameplay.
>You do know that's literally going to be how it actually shows up in game
Yes I am aware that SEGA is dogshit that fricked up so badly that either direction they go in is just them fricking up.
>If it's not, then its the equivalent of Hyper in 3K having the proto-homing attack making it clearly more powerful than Super.
No, it's not. Hyper is clearly a god state in power, it insta nukes almost everything on screen it's literally a gag power up
Cyber Super Sonic is just Super Sonic with a bit of more power, like a jump from a car to a trunk, not a car to the entire universe.
>it's literally a gag power up
It's not. Busting badniks is not on the same scale as fighting Titans.
>Cyber Super Sonic is just Super Sonic with a bit of more power
We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
>Busting badniks is not on the same scale as fighting Titans.
But any infinite amount of them on screen instantly? That's either immense strength or immense speed. The titans fricking collapse with Super Sonic, why the frick won't Hyper just insta shot them?
>We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
And it's not going to be some massive jump in power like you think it is when they actively stated "no DBZ power wanking shit"
It means it's going to be "just enough" to beat the end and then never come back ever again. It's a smart move.
>why the frick won't Hyper just insta shot them?
Because there is an element called writing where that wouldn't be a thing if SEGA wasn't moronic with their lore. Also Hyper's ultimate attack does hurt bosses like it does badniks.
>And it's not going to be some massive jump in power like you think it is when they actively stated "no DBZ power wanking shit"
No. You're inflating Hyper to Z tier bullshit while I'm trying to make it a clear upgrade, but not an absurdly powerful.
Almost like what SEGA is probably going to do with Cyber Sonic.
You know damn fricking well they can't use Hyper Sonic and make it barely an upgrade to Super because all the tacoballtards that watched fan animations since their were babies would bomb SEGA if Hyper isn't Ultra Instinct levels of brokenness. What you want isn't what people want and if the people don't get what they want it will just be another 06 scenario all over again
Either surf the wave or jump the shark. Hyper is the SA3 of forms, it will kill the IP if used wrongly and "save the IP" if used correctly. And by save i mean reach a dead end because it will never be "topped" like "SA2" apparently.
>because all the tacoballtards that watched fan animations since their were babies would bomb SEGA if Hyper isn't Ultra Instinct levels of brokenness
See that's just SEGA being fricking moronic and damaging their own brand in the process over the years, and you trying to scapegoat.
Too bad. It's not their fault American autism is far far worse than Japanese autism, of which they didn't expect people to obsess over a palette swap power up added into their game.
>Too bad. It's not their fault American autism is far far worse than Japanese autism
Now you're just seething like an /sthg/tard.
Either way this is all because of SOJ AND SOA being idiots in handling their lore.
>We literally do not know of any differences aside from visuals.
The script for update 3 leaked months ago.
Sonic doesn't get an entirely new form, he gets a limited, one-time ability after passing the Ancients' trials. He then uses said ability while in his super form to fight The End.
>he gets a limited, one-time ability after passing the Ancients' trials
>he gets a limited, one-time ability
Hyper's flash shot.
> after passing the Ancients' trials
Super Emerald stages
Oh wow so it really is similar to Hyper Sonic.
No, Hyper is a new form entirely, while this new ability has only a limited amount of usage that Sonic could also presumably use while in his normal state, he just uses it as Super Sonic to help even the odds.
It's essentially like the cyloop, which Sonic can use in both his normal and super states, but the cyloop doesn't make Super Sonic like Hyper Sonic, obviously.
Yeah all this does is confirm no one fricking played Frontiers at all and don't get the context to the story what so fricking ever.
This is why you shouldn't pander to secondaries.
>while this new ability has only a limited amount of usage
Again that’s Sonic being bad at lore management.
Which doesn’t surprise me because the K release of S3 actually improvised on the original lore but Sega is never going to take advantage of it.
>Again that’s Sonic being bad at lore management.
The explanation is that this new power isn't completely "synchronized" to Sonic's form or whatever, since it was made to be used by the Ancients, hence its limited usage.
My point still stands.
What does "being bad at lore management" even mean.
That they don’t have to fall back in establish lore and that Sega can just make new bullshit on the fly in which people will gladly accept.
Most notably Gaia lore and Echidna lore and Ancients lore all having at one point predating the last original supposed holders of the emeralds with tons of head canon trying to piece them all together for Sega.
Oh, well yeah I agree on that. That's partly why I stopped giving a shit about Sonic lore over a decade ago.
It's also why I find it funny that they bothered to put together a "lore team" even though the devs are clearly just going to keep making up shit as they go and retcon past shit whenever they feel like it. One of the most pointless endeavors I've seen in a while.
>it insta nukes almost everything on screen
So, within about 20 feet of him? That's not god anything.
I don't need a seizure every time I jump twice, thanks.
>lore
>For a fricking platformer
SA1 onward is modern Sonic lore. Nothing before that should be taken seriously.
Hyper wasn't even in the original version of S3, it was added to the collection of S3 and SK as a bonus for both games.
Yeah tell me something I didn't know.
If you want SEGA's slop that they call lore, then feel free to enjoy it.
Adventure's lighting made the ME look so cool compared to this sterile garbage.
They already traced Hyper Sonic from Toriyama. Should just make it canon.
Hyper was dumb and only existed because the game was in two halves, don't really know why people care about it
>Hyper Sonic
>Not canon
The super emeralds literally appear in Mania
Aren't those just inert stones
>Aren't those just inert stones
Those are the super emeralds, they just seem to be turned off/broken
THE BALLS ARE INERT
Darkspine is the absolute fricking coolest and you can't convince me otherwise
Hyper Sonic is still canon though? Check Origins and Mania.
They removed Hyper from Mania
Super Emeralds are right there, liar.
Whitehead those are the statues that replace the Emerald's at the shine when they aren't there. You see them in Adventure albeit with colour for some reason.
Sonic is just Dragon Ball for furries and that is okay. More SOVL than other furry shit.
Hyper Sonic was a nice little compromise to make sure you still had something to do and didn't break the back half of 3&K.
I don't get this OP.
Wasn't it just Sonic turning into normal Super Sonic?
I never paid attention to the eye color, is that what people are blasted over?
Knuckles can't go super anymore. He had to use the gay bubble in Heroes just like Tails.
The bubble only happened in heroes because they had to split super power into 3 parts, and the emeralds just couldnt cope with that. 2 has been done before in SA2, but even that was shaky because it couldn't cover Shadow's inexperience with going super, and it dropped him out. This didnt happen to Sonic because he's gone super before and knows how to pace himself burning through the chaos energy.
So in heroes, Sonic took the most of the power to go full super, and they made due with having to split the power 2 more times on top of that for Tails and Knuckles, hence just the floaty bubbles for them instead of full forms.
that sure is a lot of headcanon
So is "Knuckles cant go super anymore", but at least I offered an explanation for my pov
Then explain 06.
Holy headcanon. Shadow lost his form from lack of rings.
Shadow lost his form because he fricking sucks. Could he do a chaos controls with a fake emerald? He was basically shitting his pants when he saw sonic again
ring limit is a game mechanic, the emerald's power is infinite, stated for 30 years now, super forms last for days as shown in sonic advance
They literally talk about gathering rings in the finalhazard battle.
That was their super forms and it's no better or worse than them glowing white a little bit in classic.
What exactly are Super Sonic's feats besides being invincible for a short time that put him above fricking Ultra Instinct? Goku was multiversal level at Super Saiyan God, nearly shattering the entire universe just from throwing punches. Are you telling me that Super Sonic is just somehow far above Ultra Instinct which is basically cheat mode with an instant dodge script and a limitless power boost?
>What exactly are Super Sonic's feats
Beating a lizard with a metal pole up its ass, jobbing to Dr. Eggman, jobbing to Knuckles, jobbing to Shadow, jobbing to a laser.
>What exactly are Super Sonic's feats besides being invincible for a short time that put him above fricking Ultra Instinct?
Beating Solaris
>Beating Solaris
... with the help of CHADow.
...And Shitver!
he didnt do that by himself, silver and shadow helped
And Solaris is what exactly? I'm from a time where Robotnik could just grab Super Sonic with a large armed robot and knock the Super out of him.
Reality destroying monster God that has to be defeated in the past, present and future all at once to be beaten (game is moronic with time travel, think of the eras as different locations)
>Solaris
WEAKER THAN CHADLY
>It describes SS Gogeta and SS Broly's energy as being so powerful that it like...surpassed or broke the boundaries of the universe which transported them to that other dimension. When Broly slams Gogeta around and we see more reality shattering it describes it as something like Broly smashing Gogeta against the walls of space. When they exit the dimension it's described as them 'crumbling' the dimension.
>God of time
Novice abilities. Weaker than CHADpa.
Sonic, Shadow and Silvernever defeated Solaris, he had to go back in time and do the old kill Hitler as a baby trick.
Solaris wasn't even defeat but sealed the thing is immortal
Broly could barely break the ground when he was about to transform during Super Hero. Weird for a guy that supposedly has an infinite and uncontrollable power level.
Dragon Ball is too inconsistent with power scaling so I think comparing it to Sonic wouldn't exactly be precise.
Broly's whole thing is that he can't really control his power, getting it going and when it gets going. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvCCm2hz9Go
So just Zamasu without the immortality?
>So just Zamasu without the immortality?
Zamasu couldn't really destroy all reality. Maybe if Zeno hadn't deleted him
Defeating Solaris, a high dimensional being who was going to wipe a cosmology of infinite universes (There are only 7 in Dragon Ball), each timeline contains a maginaryworld, a higher dimensional realm composed of nigh-infinite number of universes (there are only 12 in dragon ball)
>nearly shattering the entire universe just from throwing punches
No, that didn't even affect the earth they were standing on, the strongest foe Goku fought was only Galaxy-tier, as stated.
Sonic wins via higher dimensionality + bigger cosmology.
>There are only 7 in Dragon Ball
12, 18 before and 6 erased by Zeno.
Typo, I meant timelines, 7 in dragon ball before zeno did his thing in future trunks, I already specified the universes, which are 12
>Universe 7 is a macrocosm
There are more sub-realms inside Sonic's universe alone than in Dragon ball, using the term "macrocosm" will scale you nowhere.
>infinite sized realms
The universe has been stated to have edges and centers many times, that contradicts the term infinity
>Dragon Ball original had more universes
18? That doesn't help your case, that's smaller than infinity, so a low multiversal feat even if you destroy every one of them. Solaris had enough power destroy every single timeline, and there are an infinite number of them, and the maginaryworld alone contains universes comprised of dreams of every single being capable of thought, not to mention it being a higher dimensional realm.
It is infinite.
Infinite universes don't have edges, it contradicts the term infinity.
>vague statement
>pic
Fricking lmao
There's no such thing as a "center" of an infinite space, that's basic physics.
A center is equidistant from the edges, and an infinite space has no edges.
>unfathomable
Another word for many, which every universe has.
>unfathomable
Also means immeasurable, which is how DB universe has been described as. Infinite. Again, multiple sources are saying that DB universe is infinite.
>multiple sources are saying that DB universe is infinite
Secondary sources contradict the main source, the anime, again, an infinite space, does not have edges, or centers.
>trying to apply real life physics in fiction
>ignoring offical canon
Again. DB canon> your headcanon. Is Sonic only mach speed because he can talk while running? Is he was light speed, he would not be able to talk because sound is slower than light?
>offical canon
the primary canon (the anime) already contradicts it.
And the secondary as well.
The kaoishin realm for example is 1/10 of the universe, how can you have 1/10 of infinity? Are you telling me we shouldn't apply basic math as well?
Kaioshin realm is also infinite in size. Also
>no rebuttal to sound speed Sonic
Again. Toriyama, manga, and the offia guides are stating that the universe is infinite. Besides, Goku is also faster than Sonic.
Sonic, by definition, is the fastest thing alive. Only way way Goku is faster is if he ends up in otherworld after getting ass beaten
Archie Sonic jobbed to the Flash. Flash needed over 4 billion people to amp him up to be faster than Instant teleportation. Cooler was intercepting Goku in IT back when he was a mere Super Saiyan. Goku is faster.
Imagine quoting Death Battle Didn't see them adding pic related to the equation. Haven's seen Goku do a feat like this.
This another Saitama situation where the character only works when he can One Punch stuff. Sonic is only Sonic when he's the fastest on screen, otherwise you fricked up the characterization. So he's faster.
He still lost to the Flash. And Flash wasn't amped. Everyone agrees with the result. Goku is faster.
Sonic is faster.
sonic has toon powers
And Flash still has better feats.
None of the israeli superheroes have toon powers. Neither does Goku.
Every speedster will by default lose to archie Sonic since they have no resistance to his author's authority and plot manipulation.
Flash literally is more broken than Sonic.
Fodder.
Sonic sees the flash as fiction, he can write him out of the story anytime he wants.
Again, read some of the Flash stories. He has much better feats than Sonic.
state some
Watch the Death Battle. They list all of his feats.
>taking death battle seriously
lmaoing @ your life
lol, either way, both have immeasurable speed feats, but Sonic outclasses in dimensionality + he has zero resistance to plot manipulation, so anyone with that hax can just write him out of the story
So what you're saying is that Super Saiyan Vegeta could solo the Sonicverse?
>israelite Battle
>Flash literally is more broken than Sonic
Flash is only paper level
>author's authority and plot manipulation
Author authority and plot manipulation shouldn't work on characters from different series. Like, how the frick would Sonic have author authority over Mario when Nintendo is bigger than Sega, and Mario as an IP is bigger than Sonic?
No because in powerscaling basically means you're viewing reality as fiction, transcending the verse and being 1 layer above it, and being able to shape the narrative of the story below you to whatever you want, many verses like scp and umineko have layers on top of layers, each layer capable of manipulating the script of the one below it.
Doesn't really mean much. I know that Superman and Sonic are fictional, but I still could not beat them.
>I know that Superman and Sonic are fictional, but I still could not beat them.
You're a real life character therefore not eligible for powerscaling.
>Death Battle shill
>The same gays who say Toph beats Garra
kek
>Kaioshin realm is also infinite in size
No, you can't showcase an infinite space being smaller than another infinite space, that defeats the whole purpose of portraying something is smaller than the other, they would be the same size then.
>offia guides are stating that the universe is infinite
Like this? A number expanding over time endlessly goes does not mean it's infinite in size, our universe does exactly that and it isn't infinite
Nat, but theres an infinite set of numbers between 1 and 2. But the infinite between 1 and 3 is larger.
>using statements from Daizenshuu 4 which were retconned in the Daizenshuu 7
>still no rebuttal on my question
Like I said. Try to keep up.
>x was retconned by y that came after it
>no it being retconned by the anime (which is the primary source) after it is wrong because... well, it just is okay?
The daizenshuu has many contradictions, it's canon B, always assumed to be true until it gets contradicted by the main source, which is the anime.
*manga
DB universe is still infinite.
Only in that one PS2 game
Jiren is literally stronger than Infinite Zamasu who merged with a whole timeline.
Universe 7 is a macrocosm. Compromised of multiple infinite sized realms.
Dragon Ball original had more universes and on top of that, Dragon Ball universes are fricking massive, far more massive than our universe and many others.
>Sonic wins via higher dimensionality + bigger cosmology.
DragonBall has 12 universes. Each of them, has a heaven, hell, and an observable universe. Per Jaco, the observable universe is infinitely expanding, and it's shown to have countless galaxies and stars. As shown in pic related, Heaven and Hell are larger than the observable universe. Then there's the Kaioshin realm which is roughly 1/3rd the size of the observable universe. Furthermore, there's the alternate timelines which also contain the 12 universes. We know that U7 has created timelines due to time travelling shennanigans, but the other universes should also have time rings.
By powerlevelgay logic, destroying a single "Dragon Ball" universe is a multiversal feat as it would involve the destruction of heaven and hell and all the way to the kaioshin realm. When Goku and Beerus fought, their energy was affecting the Kaioshin realm btw.
Still not gonna scale anywhere.
Every 7 of the special stages is a realm, every chaos emerald has a universe inside it (see radiant emerald zone), with different laws of physics, and that's just in Sonic's world, there are others like blaze.
Heaven and hell exist in Sonic.
>there's the alternate timelines which also contain the 12 universes
There are infinite timelines in Sonic, and there are only 7 in Dragon Ball.
>special stages
HEAD- TO THE FRICKING -CANON
>nearly shattering the entire universe just from throwing punches.
Yet Earth was entirely unaffected lol
What the frick is Darkspine?
Sonic sucked up a few of the World Rings in Sonic and the Secret Rings and it turned him into a brawler because he was pissed and absorbed the negative-aspected rings. He's not invincible during it.
Oh wow, I just thought this was some dumb comic meme when I saw the OP.
Huh.
I wish Sega would continue the storybook series of Sonic games. Those were interesting and fun to play!
>ARCHIEARCHIEARCHIE out of nowhere
it's mindblowing to me that 20+ years old people care this much about sonic
It's been over 100 and some people still care about Popeye and Mickey Mouse m8
>Popeye
Literally just memes.
>Mickey Mouse
Money and Disney dabbing on laws.
What the frick, are you trying to "no those don't count" me on bringing up old cartoons? Piss off, argument addicted wanker
No where near as autist and epsiecally, the need for validation to likingthem
The 2000s generation of humans just need validation for this shit is why most people are intolerant to this behavior. It's magical how this is ok but trannies isn't when it's the exact same side of the same coin. I missed when fandoms were more niche and isolated.
>No where near as autist
No I guarantee you there are weird people who get way way too into Mickey Mouse and Popeye. Blaming it on zoomie woomie peepee poomies is not the move to make here
>muh validation
Yeah, like I said.
Who does a better job at making Sonicgays seethe? Mario or Goku?
Mario. He's like Goku to Vegeta for Sonic.
neither
>sonic thread becomes a SCHOLAR thread
BOOM. That's how it's done.
lol
why would goku make them seethe? sonicgays are gokugays
Sonicgays wish they were Gokugays
Can confirm
Sonic, unironically.
sonic team
Anways, are we for a GT remake?
Very likely. The fact that they made "canon Broly" means that there's a good chance for a "canon GT." Given that they're in the "End of Z" era as of Super Hero, they only thing left is to "remake GT." Wonder if nu-Super Saiyan 4 is going to involve Ultra Instinct instead of Oozaru powers.
Some plot points are already being leaked apparently. Reveal should be soon. Toei is already DCMA-ing accounts.
Don't forget that the final DLC for DBZ Kakarot apparently takes place after the end of Z, so it might serve as promotion for the "web anime."
>GT with Supers writing
I don't think I'm ready for that, watch them ignore potential new Z fighters like Pan, Trunks, Uub, Goten etc again and botch the shadow dragons or especially SSJ4 so they can make the recolors look cool
Apparently, the leaks are saying that this GT remake will go full Journey to the west. Goku getting a new from that is a cross between Son Wukong/SS4, Shin playing a much bigger role. Sounds like pure Wuxia.
>the leaks are saying that this GT remake will go full Journey to the west
So the final battle will be Goku vs The Grand Priest? Grand Priest is prettt much the Buddha of DragonBall.
Who the frick nows? I am interested tho. Could be fun. Toriyama is at the helm and the movies were pretty good.
I figured it would be appropriate since it would be the DB equivalent of Sun Wukong vs Buddha. But if it's on the same level of quality as the Super movies, I'm in. The movies were easily the best part of Super.
The staff is pretty impressive. Some names were leaked and it seems that this show might actually be a masterpiece. Best to wait until comic-com or Jump festa for the reveal.
And if it is real, it's kinda surreal that we may end up with a canon Super Saiyan 4. Maybe Broly's Ikari mode was a prelude to it? Anyways this speculating about this stuff is cool, and it's nice to be excited for something DragonBall related besides Budokai Tenkaichi 4. Thanks Anon.
>watch them ignore potential new Z fighters like Pan, Trunks, Uub, Goten etc again and botch the shadow dragons or especially SSJ4 so they can make the recolors look cool
Well then it would be accurate to GT.
That's what I was saying, it would just end up being wasted potential again
Everyone fricking hated turning Goku into a kid to the point where SS4 was made to fix it so that's definitely fake.
Sonic doesn't have a moonbusting feat. Ergo he's below pic related.
He does though
He defeated this giant amethyst ball via danmaku
He didn't destroy it, he just went through and then it exploded on its own for some reason. Jackie CHAD vaporized the entire moon in a second.
>it exploded on its own for some reason
Actually he had help from Sage who actually destroyed it and carried him through the whole fight by weakening the End for like 6 minutes straight and even had to throw Sonic to make him effective. Sage almost singlehandedly saved the world.
>needs danmaku to destroy the moon
>CHADgon CHADs can casually destroy the moon with one blast
>Jackie Chud
Leave.
SHITgon Ball characters? Loses to Him.
Bowser Wannabe
Why teal
Who cares? Goku is boring, Sonic is cooler
>Goku is boring
But this is a DragonBall thread.
>The only point to talk about modern Sonic is to ultimately talk about DBZ
Yep, trash. It's borderline Modern Sonic is canon to DBZ tier how this shit goes down, now you see for the longest of time why the pre SA1 gays actively caused the Colorization of Sonic for 10 years. SEGA fricked that up by going too far past the pendulum but this autism split between styles of Sonic is a real needed change that I can only prey they don't frick up in just 2 games.
And especially now with Ian Flynn I really have next to no hope of this working out.
There is no point of return now. The SA2 movie will be the final nail in the coffin for classicgays. Zoomers and gen Alpha will become turbo autists with power level homosexualry once they witness the kino of Super Sonic and Shadow. And you know how SEGA yields to the masses.
Until SEGA ruins it all over again, so it's a very moot point.
2 already showed Super and Knuckles being stronger than Sonic.
Sonic has always been influenced by DBZ and Ghibli movies
influenced /= is
Modern IS DBZ
Classic has some DBZ in it. And it should be like that, with more than just Japanese shit in it too.
It's reversed. Classic IS DBZ while modern tries to go away from it with shitty business decisions caused by no one actually wanting to work on Sonic.
This is so wrong it hurts.
Stop replying to my post more than once, b***h. It's true.
sorry anon
>Pretending no one can use inspect element
Not evidence, b***h. Try again.
Cope more, no one has time to samegay over useless shit
>b***h seething so much that he has nothing to go against the obvious
Bitches keep on losing, huh anons?
How can you say otherwise after seeing THIS? HE'S DOING THE FRICKING SSJ1 GOKU POSE.
People like you don't get that Sonic wasn't JUST DBZ plagerism, he used to be more than just that one reference. But the 2000s fanbase made him just that, and now he's only just that with Frontiers. Classic had a plethera of inspirations, but now literally all of that is gone. Even Oshima can't really bring that all back with Superstars because shit like this is why.
Its very upsetting all Japanese media is reduced to this trash because the west itself is in shambles, almost like it was a massive psyop to destroy standards in media since 2006.
homie huh???
I thought that was well known. Ignore the filename.
Super Sonic 3 when?
How long until we see movie set photos with the Shadow stand in puppet?
Here's some leaked footage.
can somebody explain what this thread is about based on op's pic? what's with the blue eyes like was this in an actual sonic game or is it just fanmade
its from the trailer for the final update to Sonic Frontiers. he gets an upgrade for his Super form from absorbing cyber energy over the course of the game
ah ok ty
I can't wait to see the crazy shit this new form will let Sonic do during when we get to fight the new Titan
All this is is Super Sonic with Cyber Corruption turned into a temporary power boost
>Wipes SHITnic & DIAPERku in a single blow.
KNEEL.
>Kaido holding up the entire island
>Get sneak attacked during party
>Fight mink army
>Fight Scabbards
>Fight Worst Generation
>Fight Yamatroony
>Fight like 5 rounds of Luffy revival hax
Yeah no, man. Luffy totally beat Kaido 1v1. Super strong. Crew isn't goint to job to a shark right after and Gear 5 isn't going to break even with a pre-ts villain
oh no no no
bruh what in the frick
He's made of rubber.
How did that happen?
YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE A
Hito Hito no Mi Model: Nika
>traced
This is some Pierrot tier animation
Also
>MJ's Moonwalker
So it's true, there IS such a thing as forced animation after all.
>memefaces
>MY PAIN IS GREATER THAN YOURS
>more animation = better animation
Holy kek
>whole point is that he transforms into a Tom&Jerry cartoon
>it's just some shitty animation instead
Are there any studios left that actually know how to properly animate?
Dark Sonic > Cyber Sonic > Hyper Sonic > Super Sonic > Darkspine > Werehog > Goku UI
Simple as
>appears for less than a minute
>20 year legacy
I kneel, edgekino
My head canon is hyper is still a thing. Just sonic knows nothing is even close to needing that power.
Hyper Sonic? Ehhh.. I suppose he's Nappa tier.
I'm a Dark Shadow guy myself.
>Death to those who oppose me!
Hyper Sonic is ugly so I could never understand why people liked it so much. Imagine that prismatic color-shifting nonsense in HD. It'd look like trash. Super Sonic is objectively the superior design. Just staying yellow is much more aesthetically pleasing than that rainbow bullshit.
Besides, the Super Emeralds can only exist on Angel Island. After collecting the Chaos Emeralds, Sonic placed them on the pedestals, turning them massive. Sonic couldn't carry them anymore, but he didn't have to because as long as he was on Angel Island, he could draw power from the Emeralds from anywhere. If the Super Emeralds returned in another game, you'd have to collect the Chaos Emeralds and place them on the pedestals at Angel Island again.
Donald Duck with Zettaflare solos the Sonic Universe.
>2 1/2 hours of Amy’s soft n’ puffy mound
nice
Could Bartleby beat hyper b***h?
>Could Bartleby beat-
Yes. The answer is always yes.
Who takes the win?
Troll King stomps that NI***R
bruh moment, according to the experts Sonic (2-A high multiversal) is two tiers above goku and zeno (2-C low multiversal) so it's a stomp if a fight were to happen
Said site also says that SS4 Goku beats SSBKKx20 Goku, and handily
yeah but there's no argument for 2-b (a multiverse with more than 1000 universes) let alone 2-a dragon ball, hence why this is a stomp, the sonic multiverse is larger
Kek
Insane, but Sonic (forma del archie) is low 1-C too, and Sonic (forma del shin megami tensei) is 1-A
There was a time where Goku was tier 0 because chinks so...NO
>There was a time where [fodder] was [headcanon] because [racism]
Can't be racist against a different species.
Eggman's piss drrrrrrrroplets >>>>>>>>>>>>> Shitku and Shitnic
Why do people care about hyper sonic? It was a weird one off thing, and it is not very distinguishable from super sonic overall.
Super WEAKnic Kneels to EggCHAD
Super GODnic 2 would NOT lose to such a toy
At least Super Sonic isn't activated with a tingly back kek
People keep forgetting that Super Sonic is literally invulnerable and the only way to defeat him is too make him run out of rings
Literally oneshot by Knuckles.
The canon explanation is that Sonic ran out of rings the moment he was hit by Knuckles
>The [cope]
the ring limit is not canon and is a game mechanic
Is that why sonic says to shadow that he needs to collect rings in thr final boss of SA2?
just like how they say "press x button to move my ass and make me boost", that's a game mechanic
super forms last as much as the user wants to, Sonic's super form lasted for days
sonic said that during a ingame cutscene where you switch to shadow, that's not an instruction, that's something he did himself
Advance games aren't canon, but even if they were, what makes you think Sonic wasn't collecting rings during the time he was super sonic?
Frick off, moron. Characters telling you to do certain game mechanics aren't canon. Outside of the Metal Gear franchise.
Sonic advance is canon, "everything is canon" wasn't a joke, every game in sonic is canon except chronicles for legal reasons
>shartchie is more canon than shartnicles
Based
>except chronicles for legal reasons
Did Penders actually sue them?
It was a mess. As we know Ken penders had over a decade of Echidna autism within the Sonic comics. Autism that Sega did not manage. So when Sega contracted BioWare to do Dark Chronicles, Penders accused BioWare of stealing his designs and character Concepts. Sega told Ken to shut the frick up and that Sonic was their IP but then Ken told Sega that he created all of those characters therefore they were his. There was a lawsuit although I can't remember who sued who but I definitely remember the result because it's the stupidest fricking thing you've ever heard. Sega never kept the original contract saying that any characters Ken invented still belong to them. They just lost it. So Ken was able to say that all of those original characters made in the comics were legally is and Sega couldn't say shit. Eventually they came to an agreement where Ken got to keep the rights of all of those characters he made. Which were really just the same characters with varying hair colors and glasses. In return Sega just nuked the entire comic continuity. 10 or 20 years worth of stories vaporized and one issue, they were all gone. Ken got to gloat on Twitter that he won though in reality he just got unbelievably lucky. But he's so lacking in self-awareness that he was getting ready to sue Paramount Pictures because in Sonic 2 they showed that Knuckles had a father and apparently Ken Penders invented the concept of Knuckles having a dad.
To this day I hope that Ken attempts to sue Paramount Pictures so they can expand his butthole
Penders actually did one good thing by having Chronicles legally raped out of the Sonic canon.
Dunno, Shade is cute
Shade isn't that cute.
Chronicles had the best story out of every sonic game
>tweets that did not age well
haha so funnyyyyy ironic bad game good xD
No the story is complete fricking ass in every way, the game is truly, absolutely fricking awful in every way and ends on a moronic fricking cliffhanger before Sonic and Tails discuss the entire Bioware staff in detail
FRICK chronicles
i wasn't being ironic, I really liked the story when I played it back in the day, the second half when they move to the other dimension was great
Play it again and realize how fricking stupid and wrong your younger self is and was
I used to like it too but then I stopped taking HRT.
I enjoyed Chronicles I was sad when there wasn't going to be a second one. It was the first game I beat working nights. And probably the last decent sonic game ever.
>last good sonic game was the game that I played as a kid
many such cases
Play.
It.
Again.
And.
See.
How.
Fricking.
Stupid.
You.
Were.
And.
Are.
Sonic Chronicles is a crime. Bioware are criminals.
Reminder that based Ken acknowledged Shade (aka Julie-Su) when Sega wouldn't.
Well they can't. Legally. Sega lost to their own incompetence and lack of records keeping
The Titans are all able to one-shot Super Sonic and The End has to be the most powerful Sonic villain ever, being able to stomp all four Titans at once
>the only way to defeat him is too make him run out of rings
*Blocks your path*
Lava Reef act 1 boss can also crush Sonic to death but that was probably retconned
Pretty sure he head a health bar that could be depleted against Dark Gaia.
just letting everyone know mario is stronger than every sonic except archie sonic. this is because mario with the super star is invicinble and one shots every enemy
fodder ability, invincibility boxes exist in sonic, already dwarfed by the superform
everything mario has sonic does better, even the dream depot is just a walmart maginaryworld without it being a higher dimension
mario reset the universe.
*Rosalina
sonic restored erased timelines to life with his speed alone in base
He won't do that now. If you put sonic on the average day vs mario on the average day then mario wins.
average day mario is fat with a beer belly
Modern Sonic > Mario > Classic/Adventure Sonic
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>paki
yuck, what garbage
Kraka-BOOOOOOOOOOOM. SHITku would never even see The Blue Blur (my hero) coming.
>SonicRAT continues to plagarize the vernacular of the CHAD'S DEN
After the mediocre Sonic Frontiers, plagarizing CHADgon CHADll is the only thing the delusional little RAT has going for it.
>trying to infight
Fricking why
Futa amy fricked Goku
Got a problem with that?
What do people get off of on powerwankery anyway? It's the most boring kind of one-upmanship imaginable.
It's autistic's version of religion and dick measuring contest wrapped up in one.
>Sonic...leave this one to me.
Knuckles already has the Knuckles Verde form from comics
>completely missing the point
Yeah that's about right. At least it'd look funny to see a 4'9 Echidna walking like that.
Troll King explicitly stated after Sonic had gone super mode "sonic if you was fighting anyone else you wouldn't lose". This includes Goku, therefore Super Sonic > Ultra Instinct.
THE HEDGEHOGS ARE A TRUE WARRIOR RACE! DON'T UNDERESTIMATE US!
ENTER
>needs all 14 just to consider it an upgrade
BASED
Retconned in Origins
>S-Sorry Sonic and Shadow, we'd like to help you fight the Final Hazard b-but...
this makes no sense. goku and beerus fought in outer space. do the writers never look back to make sure there are no plot holes?
Saiyans have been seen to survive in the upper atmosphere of planets. Vegeta blew up the bug Planet at the beginning of Z from the upper atmosphere. Bardock met with Frieza in the upper atmosphere of Planet Vegeta before Frieza blew it up. And Goku and Beerus fought in the upper atmosphere of Earth. Dragon Ball makes a distinction between just hanging out in the upper atmosphere of a planet and being stranded in the vacuum of space. For example when Frieza decided to blow up Namek he remarked that the thing that would kill Goku wasn't the explosion but rather the fact that he couldn't breathe in space.
And then Vegeta actually died when Freeza popped earth due to no oxygen.
Kek
>shows them getting Whis to bail them out before showing the planet blown up just so you don't accidentally assume Super has any stakes
I don't know why the writers even try. There's a big training montage where Whis points out that Vegeta is too rigid in his training regimen and needs to loosen up to be more adaptable while Goku is too lackadaisical and lets himself take hits that he shouldn't. And those are reasonably true but Toriyama has no intention to change either character. They both go back to being the exact same as they were when the movie is over. So why even bring it up?
RessF was easily the worst movie imo, great animation aside.
>great animation aside
I feel like it has the worst animation out of all the movies.
Great in general I guess. Personally my favorite animation in the series is the latter half of Super. Broly is technically amazing but it zooms by so fast anything framed in an interesting way doesn't get enough screen time to be appreciated.
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I think in terms of training Goku is more powerful than Sonic. He's got 40-50 years on him now. Sonic has had his fair share of battles but he's still like what, 15?
Anyways, I do think that Sonic is only stronger due to the fact that Chaos Control is the superior form of energy compared to ki. Can't really do much else with ki aside from flowing loads of energy into places. Chaos Control while behaving similar, is much more advanced, allowing its users to manipulate space and time. We've seen the hedgehogs stop time, teleport, and make portals with it. Additionally, they were able to defeat an "immortal" timeline eraser, so perhaps it can somehow ignore armor or other types of energy, kind of like advanced Armament Haki. I even think that the fact that its name is an oxymoron helps express it's superiority.
If Goku had replaced his ki with Chaos Control then I think he'd be a million times stronger than Sonic.
BLUE EYES!?!?
Sonic has no age.
>Chaos Control while behaving similar, is much more advanced, allowing its users to manipulate space and time.
You can do that with ki along with deleting souls, regeneration, teleportation, aborbing energy, open wormholes, fusion, destroying dimensions, etc.
Is it? I don't think moves like Instant Transmission involve ki, seems to be another thing like telekinesis. But who knows, Jiren was able to stop Hit's time skip because he was literally "too strong", so it might not even matter
>I don't think moves like Instant Transmission involve ki
Only in ToyoTACO's SHITnga which hasn't been acknowledged by any of the movies.
I thought they got rid of Hyper Sonic because it caused epilepsy.
Why is it back in the latest game, Origins, then?
I dunno, that's what I heard back when it was supposedly cut from Sonic 06.
Sonic is better because he has never lost (even flexes being unbeatable to his enemies), while Goku is 0-3 to Bejita of all people so far
Sonic jobs constantly to CHADow.
Shadow is canonically faster and stronger than Sonic, Sonic only has more stamina than Shadow.
Literally not a single one of those pics is the canon ending.
?t=15
Sonic? OUTMATCHED.
Shadow smirking while someone is kneeling/defeated next to him is the funniest shit ever
CHADow is just too much for SHITnic.
Why is he so much better than Sonic?
Lost to Knuckles (while Super), Blaze, Silver, Eggman (while Super again KEK), Jet, and Infinite.
You know what? Sonicbros are alright. This has been more entertaining than any of the good awful FF threads. I hope we get some good Sonic mods for Budokai Tenkaichi 4 so that we can enjoy some vidya together.
>Sonic mods for Budokai Tenkaichi 4
Who could he reasonably be a reskin for?
Burter for base Sonic. SS4 Gogeta for Super/Hyper Sonic
ORE WA
AYIEEEEEEEEE
Why do Vegeta and Shadow cross their arms so often?
It's the same sort of shorthand for smug dick that's so relaxed that he doesn't have to hold a fighting stance but also doesn't just have his hands dangling. It's absolutely everywhere, especially in Dragon Ball whenever Toriyama wants a character to appear confident to the point of being wienery. And since Yuji Naka is a Dragon Ball fanboy, it pops up in the Sonic series too
SUPA SHAAAAAIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
FINAL CHAOS SPEAR!
Shitnic will always be a ripoff
>Shadow constantly OHKO's Sonic
>Vegeta has only won against Goku in a fight ONCE in like 40 fricking years and it took him those 40 years to fricking do it
Vegeta beat Gokek in round 2 of their first fight
>Hyper Sonic is the Dragonball Z ripoff
You do know that Super Sonic existed before Hyper Sonic, yeah? And it came along 8 months after Super Saiyan debuted.
But can Sonic drive better than Goku?
Sonic has like 4 car racing games + Twinkle Park so probably
The tornado is literally his plane
the only thing goku can do better than sonic is swim and have a girlfriend
Gonna find out.
>Sonic, you will follow MY orders on this mission!
>Sally The Sheep thinking Sonic will listen to her
lmao
BEASTS.
Can UI Goku astrally embiggened defeat Nazo?
NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT
CHHHHAAAAOOOOSS........
Sonic should just go full dbz.
With how universally loved the Super Sonic fights were in Frontiers, we're not far off.
...BLAST
Reminder to play the Sonic Hellfire rom hack.
I did, enjoyed it a lot too. But I felt like the game had a lot of cut content and was supposed to be much bigger.
>SONIC IS STRONGER GOKU IS STRONGER SONIC GOKU SONIC GOKU
Oh my fricking GOD, who the hell CARES? Why the frick does any sort of conversation that involves these characters just inevitably turn into a fricking pissing contest? Why is this so important that you autists shit up any given thread you get your hands on, just to loudly proclaim "MY corporate fictional character can beat up YOUR corporate fictional character!". What do you actually get out of this?
Boiling down everything to "but can he beat Goku/Sonic though" is the saddest shit imaginable. Surely there are other qualities to these franchises worth enjoying that aren't this fricking worthless. Surely there's more to fiction than literal elementary school arguments.
>Being that fricking guy who enters a thread of over 400 replies asking, "WHO LE CARES???2"
Well first of all, you. You care so much you had a total pissrant metldown over how much you care. Embarrassing and pathetic.
I come into a SONIC thread, hoping to talk about SONIC games, only to find an entire thread of DBZ shitposts. No shit I'm fricking mad, because you jackoffs make it nearly impossible to have any sort of decent discussion. Eat shit and frick off, you worthless pissant.
Stop being such a massive fricking blowhard.
shut up tripgay
Cry more.
That's rich coming from the namegay. You're even more worthless, because at least the average anon has the decency to not put up giant neon signs above their heads like desperate attention prostitutes.
>discussion is not discussion, but off topic shitposts are
Do you even listen to yourself?
Always fun to see how a trip is all it takes to make hemorrhoids pop.
Getting angry is not discussion, and it's all you've been doing since you got here, where's your contribution to actual discussion, or do you just want to be a mad homosexual and piss your pants?
Getting angry is not discussion, you have no leverage over anyone else.
I'm multiversal in base, you're literally building-tier
You are solar system tier at BEST.
>screaming kermit meme
>comes into obvious shitpost bait OP and is upset to find shitposting
>points this out when the thread is already above 400 posts and nearly dead
>does not contribute anything to the thread since his posts are of the same quality as the shitposts and don't change nor fix what he's complaining about
>if he actually cared he simply would have tried to make an actual sonic thread for discussion instead of going into the obvious bait thread
What difference would making another thread make when literally every Sonic thread into either this or schizos arguing over comic books? Nobody talks about the games themselves, which speaks volumes over how bad the series has gotten.
Yeah I realize this and that's fricked up when Mania was the complete and utter opposite. I really do think Frontiers is the death of this IP for good and the west not buying out SEGA by now was the biggest disappointment in modern history for me.
Not to mention had DB Evolution not happened we'd never get Super and the autism revival since. This is truly the worse timeline possible.
>who the hell CARES
Everyone itt including you
Now type that without crying
this just makes me wish for someone to mod in the stardust speedway fight into frontiers somehow
>1:00 - 1:13
kino
Cool fan animations are so cringe, I'm glad that era is over.
Cool fan animations are so based. I'm sad that era is over.
Based fan animations are so cool. I'm cringe that era is over.
Holy shit. Unfiltered homosexualry in a single post.
Shadowgays never answered my fake emerald chaos control question. Shows how little faith they have in him. Sad!
WAHOO IM THE WINNER
BRING ME b***hRIO.
Imagine calling someone else a b***h while posting Shadow from THAT issue
based, but too little, too late. sonic autism is already military grade, letting it mingle with dragon ball z autism is like giving a functioning nuke to the russians. might as well just pack it up and head to the closest cemetery so you atleast get a good spot
>when a shadowgay posts
>when a shadowKING posts
Yup, YUP! That's my fricking hero.
Chadow the Kinohog
Please come back in the next thread
God I hate /dbs/
As a Gankerassal I love /dbs/!
So this thread tells me that I can post Sonic in /dbs/ threads on Ganker? Neat.
Enjoy getting banned by the actual moderation there.
The comics are the only consistently good part of Sonic.
>he is unaware
those threads are abysmal, 10x worse than the narutard shit Ganker used to complain about
People still using this pic over ten years after I made it, nice
Hyper Sonic is canon according to Ian Flynn (who asked SEGA about it.) It's just an off limits thing they only want to happen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
What the frick I don't need some fat frick to tell me it's canon or not when I played it's in the game
Are you really calling all of sega "fat fricks"?
>Ian "Ken Penders" Flynn is "all of Sega"
KEKAROO
Reading comprehension
kettle pot black
Go back to deviant art Ian
If Surge ever gets a Super Form it needs to be this
can't wait to collect more jobber pics of surge!
When does one reach jobber status and how does one avoid being a jobber?
MAKE HER CANON YOU COWARDS!
fixed
Considering this game is about the origin of the Chaos Emeralds, and the enemy is implied to be not just the most powerful of all time, but one so powerful not even Super Sonic has a chance against it, I'd imagine this would be a great time to bring back Hyper Sonic. Just this once.
But Sonic Team just really doesn't want Hyper Sonic back. So wait for mods I guess.
I do hope Hyper Sonic comes back one day
I was supposed to make a Sonic thread but the image about to use didn't fit the file size and im too lazy to find another image. Is Sonic Origins good ? I heard there's an update recently