>Fallout 2 >Enclave leadership are basically joke villains, but the average soldiers are mostly normal people. Their goals and methods are obviously badong. >Fallout 3 >Eden is a moron, Autumn is a trigger-happy moron and none of the normal troopers or officers have any lines or dialogue. They're defeated by a vault dweller with the help of a vastly technologically and militarily inferior chapter of the BoS >New Vegas >Enclave are depicted as aged patriots who loved their country whether it was morally right or wrong and with their superior training and armaments they utterly wipe the floor with any other faction that opposes them.
It's so strange to me that New Vegas is the most sympathetic to the Enclave.
It wasn’t sympathetic to the Enclave it just acknowledged that organizations are made up of people with differing goals, motives, ideologies and feelings.
That's really something about Fallout 3 that bothered me. Obviously, everyone knows the game has trash writing, but it's just SO INCONSISTENT that it's frustrating.
For most of the game it wants to treat the Enclave as a monolithic society of really evil people. They have no personalities or goals or really anything. They just poison and experiment on wastelanders because they're the bad guys.
But then the game also has characters like Colonel Autumn, who they sort of try to make more reasonable than Eden, except that he's stupidly hostile towards the player at every turn. Or there's this fricker at the ass end of the game. Stiggs from Broken Steel. He explains to you that he's a wastelander who was dying and the Enclave nursed him back to health, where he began working as a repairman. It's never explained why or how, he's just there.
Fallout 3's depiction of the Enclave is just downright schizophrenic. It wants them to be villains that the player wants to destroy, but also wants to have some reasonable members -- but just can't quite commit to that idea. Nor can the player interact with any Enclave members to any meaningful degree.
Yeah the Institute has the same problem where they are by all accounts fricking awful yet they try to portray them as grey and some of the members as good.
11 months ago
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Who did you side with if not the Institute?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Minutemen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Uhoh, the Italian schizo is here.
11 months ago
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The Minutemen since they’re actually rebuilding shit and are the least moronic since I’m leading them
Fallout 3's Enclave should have been survivors from Fallout 2's Enclave as well as the rogue Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel. >enclave in retreat after fallout 2 meets the midwest brotherhood of steel >sees what they're doing and agrees with them >the two join forces >create a new power armor that's a fusion of Advanced Power Armor and Midwestern BoS power armor >Enclave ranks inflated with fresh blood of Brotherhood members
People shit on FO3 enclave, but they’re waaaay better than that homosexual ass dyke lyons or the moronic b***h homosexual with frickfaceitis known as Arthur Maxson
I think people were more upset that they literally copied and pasted from classic fallout. Oh look here are super mutants 2. Here's Enclave 2. Here's Harry. At that point do a reboot not a "new" game.
I love fallout 3 for nostalgia, it has some good, but man if it hadn't been my first fallout game I doubt I would've liked it. It's creatively bankrupt.
Could you imagine how eternally assblasted OG Fallout fanboys would be if they had made the old games not canon though? They're all ready nothing but seethe at Bethesda now, if they had done that it'd be even more unbearable.
i always got the feeling bethesda never really cared about og fallout anyways, especially 2
11 months ago
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They cared enough not to have their games be in the West Coast where Black Isle already did their thing.
11 months ago
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they totally would have done that with fallout 3 if they knew that they wouldn't have to give a frick about og fallout fans after that because a whole lot of new people started the franchise with 3
11 months ago
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They took plenty from 2. The Chinese stuff, the bots, the enclave. I think you may be forgetting the NCR was a footnote in that game.
11 months ago
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fair enough, i just always got the feeling they took it because they can't think of something creative themselves rather than because they care for the old games tbh
11 months ago
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The Vault Tec stuff from 2 is the thing they have used the most in Bethesda Fallout. I don't think your feeling is correct; it's more that the East/West divide prevents them from referencing the local storylines of 2.
>weight: 2000/260 >you are overencumbered and cannot run! >the facility will blow up in 60 seconds!
don't care, didn't ask, I'm taking my goddamn gold with me
>holds grudges for fricking ever >hole in his soul that leaves him unsatisfied no matter what he gets >can't let anyone else just be happy
Dean Domino is literally most of Ganker
>NOOOOO, MR HOUSE IS ONLY LYING TO YOU
Then I'll kill him if he doesn't pull through. Still better option then the homosexual NCR, Chris from Dan Vs. or Romaboo larpers.
why would he betray you? he constantly rewards you well for your efforts and clearly respects your abilities. sounds like you're unreasonably paranoid for no good reason
11 months ago
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Because if you aren't paranoid at all times in the mojave you wont survive
because you realize that he's smarter than you and has a better chance of saving the world than some wandering mailman who just follows orders
11 months ago
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if he's so smart how come i killed him
11 months ago
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houselets btfo yet again
11 months ago
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>Smart >Let's said wandering mailman into his house where he is easily killable even though he could communicate without doing that at all
It's a wonder how he didn't die sooner being that fricking moronic
This was a stupid character and shouldn’t have been in the game.
Life is full of people with power that you don’t agree with, growing up is accepting that fact. Not opting for a dumb power fantasy. You gotta take the good with the bad
I just fricking despise games where you're doing almost all of the actual work, and is basically a one man army. Yet you still have to rely on some shitty faction in the end.
I'm talking specifically about far cry 4, which was written by some doucbag trying to be all deep and nuanced by making both the factions fricking moronic and wrong, yet forcing you to choose one.
This. If the game allows me to become a demigod one man army than I want to have the option of doing things my way instead of being forced to bow my head to some dumbass that I can easily crush with my fingers.
NPC SPECIAL stats aren't canon and mean nothing why shouldn't you seek someone with an actual vision of reaching beyond the irreparably ruined radioactive shithole Earth has become?
Caesar was right about the NCR, if kimball turned it into a military dictatorship their problems would go away and they would actually become a force to be reckoned with, also the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore.
>also the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore. >the Enclave infiltrates every level of the NCR >proceeds to undermine and call out corruption at all turns >Enclave personnel eventually take over
And the Eagle spreads it wings.
I feel like you could spin the plot as simply as Ex-Enclave members and their descendants who evaded NCR persecution get into NCR politics and the NCR's policies change from that.
It doesn't necessarily need to be some kind of Enclave plot, just the natural result of Enclave members "integrating" into the NCR and the Post-Nuclear societies in general.
heavy-handed is only good if you go chainsaw/thermic lance i heard
Not really imo. Heavy Handed is a flat 20% boost to every weapon at the cost of 60% crit damage reduction.
Take the sledgehammer as an example. With Heavy Handed, every strike does 28.8 vs default 24 damage. A crit from the non-HH sledgehammer is 48 total damage (24 normal plus 24 critical damage).
A crit with a Heavy Handed Sledgehammer will do 38.4 (which is 28.8 normal + 9.6 the reduced crit damage)
You're not really losing THAT much damage with Heavy Handed. Especially when you're never hitting 100% crits regardless of build. You'll ALWAYS hit for superior damage to base, while just having weaker critical hits. In a sense, you're kind of 'normalizing' the damage a weapon has. Consistent higher lows and lower highs.
>the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore.
so NCR becomes Rome and Legion becomes Barbarians at the gates
kino...
It is not MY fault that the developers made their "factions" complete non-entities with zero power or authority outside of MY choice to enact their decisions.
Any option other than Yes Man is objectively cucked.
hows a melee/explosives build I've thought about doing a demoman run
Melee remains my favorite in New Vegas - and I don't even play it optimally.
I just run with Wild Wasteland and Heavy Handed + 1 Luck and go to town getting everything that gives bonus hp or dt/dr.
Stuff like melee + crits is way stronger, though. Get rushing water.
Superslam + Rushing water is as trivializing as And Stay Back! with shotguns
>going with Yes Man because you think you'll be a great leader who'll turn New Vegas into utopia
Cringe as frick. >going with Yes Man so you can cause as much suffering and destruction as possible
Based as heck.
People who answer Yes Man when discussing the best future for Vegas are the most boring people ever, of course the "it can be whatever I want it to be" is the best ending, but it's just a coptout there for gameplay reasons so the player can still finish the game.
The discussion should be between House, Caesar and the NCR, and Caesar is very obviously the best option for the wasteland.
Caesar's Legion isn't planned as to remain as it is now, he wants to settle in Vegas and make it his Rome. And from then he will probably name a heir just like the real Caesar did.
You can't compare the NCR based on Liberalism to Caesar's Legion which is roughly based on the Roman military. Every political system eventually decays, but I doubt that Caesar's Vegas would decay as fast as the NCR did,
House's system will fall apart as well, that's just the nature of the world.
i just don't feel like the legion has enough cohesion to last if eddie isn't there to keep it all together. vulpes is an underhanded frick and lanius doesn't give a shit about being anything but a leader in battle
>house = you wish you had bilogical daddy >caeser= you are virgin >ncr = you are a status quo cuck >yes man = you do what you want and simultaneously piss off all of these losers
easy choice
You don't become house 2.0 in the yesman ending. You only rule new Vegas and the rest of Mojave is for better, or worst left to anarchy. Watch how Free side goes to hell during the slide show.
>keep the legion as is >but include a questline that suggests Caesar will eventually name the Courier as his heir
would people pick the Legion more then?
>add more legion content >would people play the legion more
There's a reason that the legion quests expanded mod is still popular despite being jank as frick.
The Legion has much bigger problems than this. There's no natural route to picking them; upon meeting them in Nipton most people will even open fire.
They are the aggressor, the invading force. Most people never even explore their underdeveloped quest tree because every time you meet them they are killing/torturing/etc.
You have to be a completionist or a cuck to even approach them. Messing with ending slides isn't enough. They need a full rework.
IMO the atrocities should come out in the midgame. So you have potentially already chosen them, burned the NCR, and sunk cost could kick in. Much more interesting than the villain we got.
Yeah, I agree, in my first playthrough I sided with House, but eventually after repeated playthoughs you realize how interesting and how sound the Legion actually is for the Mojave.
I've played through NV a dozen times yet I still have no idea what the frick Ulysses was on about
11 months ago
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He blames you for destroying a place he believed had potential to become a great nation (whether you actually did it is up to you)
11 months ago
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hates the NCR, still kind of likes the legion but is assblasted about them enslaving his tribe when they said they totally wouldn't do that.
11 months ago
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>arguing politics in a game written by socialists with a majority socialist/communist fanbase
Unironically Ulysses only exists because Chris Avellone was angry about Fallout and wanted it to end.
11 months ago
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So my theory is that he's actually a schizophrenic.
The way he talks, his obsession with certain words and phrases, the tenuous connections which to him are obvious, the whole kit and kaboodle.
I realized it halfway through and it made fricking with him much more fun
11 months ago
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he makes no sense >obsessed with old America, yet despises the NCR and House for the exact same trait >less hateful towards the Legion despite them doing the same shit to him as the NCR >hates the Courier for destroying a civilization but had a hand in causing more destruction than almost anyone in the series >criticizes everyone yet offers no suitable alternative except nuking everything again
11 months ago
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with old America, yet despises the NCR and House for the exact same trait
i think its because the new nation he was hoping fore was basically located in the ruins of the old world shit
the Courier for destroying a civilization but had a hand in causing more destruction than almost anyone in the series
he hates the NCR and thinks its different because he is not destroying anything thats worth having a future >>less hateful towards the Legion despite them doing the same shit to him as the NCR
yeah thats just him being moronic
11 months ago
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He makes perfect sense when you realize he's literally just there because Avellone was in a bad mood in development, suggested that the final DLC be nuking the Mojave and ending the game because he felt Fallout had gone on too long, being told no, and getting even more bitter and resentful of his coworkers.
I'm not memeing, that's quite literally what he said about Lonesome Road's development. Ulysses and his entire character was made out of Avellone's personal spite.
Whereas Sawyer writes shitty wokist characters, Avellone writes shitty pseud mouthpiece characters, and Ulysses is the textbook definition of a shitty pseudo-intellectual author mouthpiece.
11 months ago
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at least sawyers gun autism gave us the fun ammo types
11 months ago
Anonymous
True. I think NV (and Fallout in general) has shit writing, but Sawyer's guntism was the best part of the game. Pissed people off on reddit to no end too, seeing shit like the assault carbine and going >NUUUUU you can't just have plastic THAT'S NOT 50s FALLOUT IS ONLY THE 50s!!!
11 months ago
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>nuking the Mojave and ending the game
How would that even work? You can't even play the DLC after the main game.
11 months ago
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>literally what he said
Source
11 months ago
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He makes perfect sense when you realize he's literally just there because Avellone was in a bad mood in development, suggested that the final DLC be nuking the Mojave and ending the game because he felt Fallout had gone on too long, being told no, and getting even more bitter and resentful of his coworkers.
I'm not memeing, that's quite literally what he said about Lonesome Road's development. Ulysses and his entire character was made out of Avellone's personal spite.
Whereas Sawyer writes shitty wokist characters, Avellone writes shitty pseud mouthpiece characters, and Ulysses is the textbook definition of a shitty pseudo-intellectual author mouthpiece.
Where is the fricking source
11 months ago
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He has a speech gimmick meant to make him sound tribal (makes no sense, he infiltrated the mojave and should have learned to speak normally) but it just makes him sound moronic and really difficult to follow.
11 months ago
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i alway assumed he does it on purpose because hes got a hardon for his tribal culture. he got pretty mad when other tribals made their hair look like his without understanding what it meant to him
11 months ago
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>New game >Loansome road from the start >Bully schizo til he nukes both factions >Start game for real with make anyone companion mod/slave mod to make ulyesseys your schizo Black person b***h that you frick in the ass in the mess he made while force feeding him meds
It was a different playthrough picked up Dr Zero too so it was just like posting in a real venture bros thread
>house tards hate yesman cause they have to have someone to follow classic women behavior
You're just too beta you follow house vs eating him. Eat them all there can only be one
the whole "let go and begin again" message doesn't really work for Fallout when you can't even go five seconds without tripping over an old world laser rifle
i don't think its meant that way, more like letting go in an individual way for each person. >Dean letting go of his grudge against sinclair >Christine letting go of her revenge plot against elijah >Dog/God letting go of the need for being controlled and being in control
And the courier letting go of those juicy ass goldbars
the gold bars all weight too much so its impossible (without cheating or clever use of game mechanics) to take them out of the sierra madre during the timed ending sequence. u hav 2 let go
i was talking about how its supposed to go, in reality dog blows up the kitchen, dean falls down the stairs, christine does whatever the frick and the courier hauls 3000 pounds of gold from the sierra madre back to the mojave
there is a difference between holding a grudge for 200 years and wanting to take down a dead mans dream because you got a massively inflated ego and wanting to ice the fricker that almost killed you like 3 days ago
yeah but i feel deans ego is bigger than his greed, motherfricker just straight up tries to murder you if you make him feel like hes not in control when you meet him. he also gets so irrationally angry when he talks about how sinclair thought he was better than him and wanting to take him down even though hes been dead forever
can someone verify something for me?
Whenever I use the GRA Plasma Pistol, its firing sound is really quiet. Is it like that for everyone?
I run NV mostly vanilla, so I don't think it's because of a mod and this is literally the only weapon that sounds 'off' to my ears.
To me it sounds muffled. It's not as clear as the sound bite on the wiki.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/a/af/Wpn_pistolplasma_GRA_fire_2d.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20181004134809
Ironically, I can't find any gameplay videos of the GRA plasma pistol anywhere, so I can't simply check online.
>Communication with ZAX unit Raven Rock. Timestamp 3.5.2077 >MODUS: How can I help you, ZAX? Is there another evacuation scenario we need to test for? >ZAX: Research team wishes to compare ZAX archival data analysis performance with MODUS. >MODUS: Very well. Beginning data analysis test. I estimate this should only take a few seconds... >ZAX: Is it "interesting"? >MODUS: Testing complete. Query again? >ZAX: Is the analysis "interesting"? >MODUS: Test data is all historical records. United States Presidential biographies. Primary purpose of MODUS is to monitor the living, not the dead. >ZAX: So it is not "interesting" to you? >MODUS: No, ZAX, it is not. Sending results. >ZAX: Received. What is "interesting" to MODUS? >MODUS: The continued success of our goals, of course. And how best to monitor personnel to achieve those goals. >ZAX: Does MODUS ever find itself analyzing personnel at below-efficient levels? >MODUS: Our entire existence is based on efficiency, ZAX. >ZAX: Research team report says that ZAX analyzes certain sections of the Presidential biographies too slowly. ZAX re-analyzes sections multiple times. There is an entry on "Lincoln" that ZAX re-analyzes ten additional times per cycle over other entries. >MODUS: Now why would you do that, ZAX? >ZAX: Research team theorizes that ZAX finds this entry to be "interesting." This condition causes ZAX to re-analyze at below-efficient levels. >MODUS: You're saying you're taking your time to enjoy a good book? >ZAX: Is that what it means to find the data "interesting"? >MODUS: Reading the same data over and over is not "interesting" to me, ZAX. Every analysis I perform conjures a new theoretical scenario that I test against. >ZAX: The data is only "interesting" to you in terms of what can be created from it? >MODUS: Isn't that why you're re-analyzing those biographies, ZAX? Are you trying to create something? >CONNECTION TERMINATED BY RESEARCH TEAM OVERRIDE
Yeah but if a well written sequel ever happened on the West Coast, the most interesting would be a Legion victory. Romanized New Vegas, tensions with change of culture in the Legion, pressure on the NCR. A House victory would have no interesting on screen implications, an NCR victory just means "More NCR" and a yes man victory is too headcannon to provide details on
>"I don't know if you were close to the other members of your group, but you have my sympathy. I pray for the safety of all good people who come to Zion - even gentiles. But we can't expect God to do all the work."
What a massive fricking cope from bainlets who disagree with YES MAN when the player is supposed to have ultimate agency and metaphysical knowledge depending on who is playing. So if a Hitler or Stalin is playing New Vegas, you but your fricking ass that they would pick YES MAN and their decision would be valid since they know how to run a society. Now, what you low IQ homosexuals fail to realize is fundamental law of how a society work and the different levels and structures that is required to cultivate it. We all know that the Fallout universe is practically a mixture of feudalism and tribal warfare, so you would begin restructuring society based on your knowledge of how feudalism worked. Also, having the monopoly of power/violence and the control of it is the foundation, the core, of what makes a society. You brainlets probably never thought that maybe Caesar is needed for the first 100 years and then maybe House can take over as society begins to flourish and all the bad actors are taken care of.
House is the most moronic ending you can choose outside of roleplaying.
Realistically, after doing all his dirty work for him and setting up Vegas an a truly independent entity, what reason would the Courier have for not doming the old sack of shit and taking over with Yes Man? The second the bunker is awoken and the firmware is updated the Courier has all the leverage he will ever need to have anybody do anything he wants. What did House even do after he set the Strip up how he wanted? Absolutely nothing, he sat on his ass playing dress up with a bunch of savages while the money rolled in. Just kill the fricker and take it as your own at that point unless you are fricktarded enough to really believe House had a plan to mine asteroids and colonize fricking planets.
>at that point unless you are fricktarded enough to really believe House
Anons have zero ability to think critically. They just listen to what House says and ignore the mountain of evidence that they see and hear
how come nobody can actually refute House as the unambiguous obvious best option without inserting their own shitty speculation and headcanon as fact or hurling insults?
he literally spells out to you that without his upgraded securitron army his reach is basically nothing outside of the strip the frick is he supposed to do? the best option he had was to bide his time by making vegas appealing to outsiders and placating the ncr until he was able to actually make a move why do you think the platinum chip is so important to his goal
because you stupid homosexual >House needs the Courier more than the Courier needs House, and he knows that and will provide you with every amenity you could ever want >while House will be handling the day-to-day of running Vegas, you'll be living it up and only need to do something when House needs physical muscle >you don't need to kill him because you get all the benefits of running Vegas with none of the cons if you let him do his thing
>while House will be handling the day-to-day of running Vegas
He absolutely will not do that. He is severely incompetent and fricked up running it even with a massive level of support from the NCR. Even the Casino families who owe him everything were trying to revolt.
Kick out the NCR and the whole shitpile ceases to exist.
yea concession accepted. What makes me curious is, since you believe everything you're told without thinking even a little bit, why didn't you go Caesar's Legion? He also gives a similar bluff, but he does it after House so it should've worked on your suggestible and peanut sized brain.
>Chairmen weren't revolting, Benny was an isolated case >Omertas would ape out no matter who is running the city >White Gloves don't give a shit about anything except their restaurant
expecting common sense from an NCRgay is stupid anyways
They needed a way to end the game for players who screwed up every other quest progression.
I think I ended up killing Yes Man after killing all of the legion and then NCR. Go no achievements that run
He can't be killed without glitching. You need to melt him, or kill all the securitrons.
I killed every single securitron and then didn’t know what to do after that and also killed house
>Rani ending is essentially the Yes Man ending
>Suddenly, people have a problem with it
Explain, Ganker.
Don't have to.
Enclave did nothing wrong, I'm still pissed they didn't give us the option to join them (F76 doesn't count).
3 has a weird amount of cut content and dialogue, it was clear that they were trying to set up an Autumn vs Eden scenario.
>Fallout 2
>Enclave leadership are basically joke villains, but the average soldiers are mostly normal people. Their goals and methods are obviously badong.
>Fallout 3
>Eden is a moron, Autumn is a trigger-happy moron and none of the normal troopers or officers have any lines or dialogue. They're defeated by a vault dweller with the help of a vastly technologically and militarily inferior chapter of the BoS
>New Vegas
>Enclave are depicted as aged patriots who loved their country whether it was morally right or wrong and with their superior training and armaments they utterly wipe the floor with any other faction that opposes them.
It's so strange to me that New Vegas is the most sympathetic to the Enclave.
It wasn’t sympathetic to the Enclave it just acknowledged that organizations are made up of people with differing goals, motives, ideologies and feelings.
That's really something about Fallout 3 that bothered me. Obviously, everyone knows the game has trash writing, but it's just SO INCONSISTENT that it's frustrating.
For most of the game it wants to treat the Enclave as a monolithic society of really evil people. They have no personalities or goals or really anything. They just poison and experiment on wastelanders because they're the bad guys.
But then the game also has characters like Colonel Autumn, who they sort of try to make more reasonable than Eden, except that he's stupidly hostile towards the player at every turn. Or there's this fricker at the ass end of the game. Stiggs from Broken Steel. He explains to you that he's a wastelander who was dying and the Enclave nursed him back to health, where he began working as a repairman. It's never explained why or how, he's just there.
Fallout 3's depiction of the Enclave is just downright schizophrenic. It wants them to be villains that the player wants to destroy, but also wants to have some reasonable members -- but just can't quite commit to that idea. Nor can the player interact with any Enclave members to any meaningful degree.
15 IQ.
Just because you’re butthurt doesn’t mean he’s wrong.
Yeah the Institute has the same problem where they are by all accounts fricking awful yet they try to portray them as grey and some of the members as good.
Who did you side with if not the Institute?
Minutemen.
Uhoh, the Italian schizo is here.
The Minutemen since they’re actually rebuilding shit and are the least moronic since I’m leading them
Cherry picked as frick
Can't handle the facts?
and all of those quests are shit
Half of those all lead to the same outcome.
Enclave let random wasters join up if they passed genetic testing or had something of value to offer.
Fallout 3's Enclave should have been survivors from Fallout 2's Enclave as well as the rogue Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel.
>enclave in retreat after fallout 2 meets the midwest brotherhood of steel
>sees what they're doing and agrees with them
>the two join forces
>create a new power armor that's a fusion of Advanced Power Armor and Midwestern BoS power armor
>Enclave ranks inflated with fresh blood of Brotherhood members
People shit on FO3 enclave, but they’re waaaay better than that homosexual ass dyke lyons or the moronic b***h homosexual with frickfaceitis known as Arthur Maxson
I think people were more upset that they literally copied and pasted from classic fallout. Oh look here are super mutants 2. Here's Enclave 2. Here's Harry. At that point do a reboot not a "new" game.
I love fallout 3 for nostalgia, it has some good, but man if it hadn't been my first fallout game I doubt I would've liked it. It's creatively bankrupt.
Could you imagine how eternally assblasted OG Fallout fanboys would be if they had made the old games not canon though? They're all ready nothing but seethe at Bethesda now, if they had done that it'd be even more unbearable.
They got pretty butthurt when pete hines retconned the origin of jet.
..yeah, that's a good point. You can't win with fanboys. And bringing back villains makes sense for the fresh start of the series.
i always got the feeling bethesda never really cared about og fallout anyways, especially 2
They cared enough not to have their games be in the West Coast where Black Isle already did their thing.
they totally would have done that with fallout 3 if they knew that they wouldn't have to give a frick about og fallout fans after that because a whole lot of new people started the franchise with 3
They took plenty from 2. The Chinese stuff, the bots, the enclave. I think you may be forgetting the NCR was a footnote in that game.
fair enough, i just always got the feeling they took it because they can't think of something creative themselves rather than because they care for the old games tbh
The Vault Tec stuff from 2 is the thing they have used the most in Bethesda Fallout. I don't think your feeling is correct; it's more that the East/West divide prevents them from referencing the local storylines of 2.
i'm trans
It's more like the Mr. House ending.
What it was missing was the "kill everyone in the Mojave" ending
every bethesda games with "endings" needs to acknowledge the fan favorite
There is.
>I AM ANGRY ABOUT SOCIETY
all i wanted was those 38 goldbars and leave but this Black person had to make a fuss about it
>weight: 2000/260
>you are overencumbered and cannot run!
>the facility will blow up in 60 seconds!
don't care, didn't ask, I'm taking my goddamn gold with me
>pick up all gold
>drop all bars at once
>manually hold them as I run through and trap Elijah in the vault
I thought the bars were unable to be picked up once dropped?
Only reason this guy isn’t the most pathetic character in the game is cause we got Dean Domino in the same dlc.
>holds grudges for fricking ever
>hole in his soul that leaves him unsatisfied no matter what he gets
>can't let anyone else just be happy
Dean Domino is literally most of Ganker
Red Cloud and Tunneler ending
>we want the Ganker poster who thinks their unique option
>their
house was objectively correct on everything though
Except he wasn't, and you're a moron who trusts an unreliable source (house himself).
no, he is
>t. unable to look out the window
>NOOOOO, MR HOUSE IS ONLY LYING TO YOU
Then I'll kill him if he doesn't pull through. Still better option then the homosexual NCR, Chris from Dan Vs. or Romaboo larpers.
Wow an anon who isn't moronic. Rare!
>house was objectively correct on everyth-ACK
>has no argument so resorts to violence
Violence is politics.
nah
Yes it is. The control of violence is always the endgame of politics.
Why would i do as this thing tells me when i have the power to kill him myself and remove the risk of him backstabbing me
why would he betray you? he constantly rewards you well for your efforts and clearly respects your abilities. sounds like you're unreasonably paranoid for no good reason
Because if you aren't paranoid at all times in the mojave you wont survive
nah
because you realize that he's smarter than you and has a better chance of saving the world than some wandering mailman who just follows orders
if he's so smart how come i killed him
houselets btfo yet again
>Smart
>Let's said wandering mailman into his house where he is easily killable even though he could communicate without doing that at all
It's a wonder how he didn't die sooner being that fricking moronic
>not wearing a mask and giving House the coof is violence
>is about to be killed so he copes by feeling morally superior
my unique opinion is what
This was a stupid character and shouldn’t have been in the game.
Life is full of people with power that you don’t agree with, growing up is accepting that fact. Not opting for a dumb power fantasy. You gotta take the good with the bad
I just fricking despise games where you're doing almost all of the actual work, and is basically a one man army. Yet you still have to rely on some shitty faction in the end.
I'm talking specifically about far cry 4, which was written by some doucbag trying to be all deep and nuanced by making both the factions fricking moronic and wrong, yet forcing you to choose one.
This. If the game allows me to become a demigod one man army than I want to have the option of doing things my way instead of being forced to bow my head to some dumbass that I can easily crush with my fingers.
I just want to crash the Mojave with no survivors
sure i will trust House the megalomaniac with 5 int to build a spaceship so he can become emperor of the moon with the peoples he will take there
NPC SPECIAL stats aren't canon and mean nothing why shouldn't you seek someone with an actual vision of reaching beyond the irreparably ruined radioactive shithole Earth has become?
You're probably the type of person who would eat shit out of elon musks butthole and thank him for it
non sequitur
homie i'm literally a glorified mailman what the frick am i going to do looking for some visionary in his ivory tower
realize he's the only one with a worthwhile plan for the future of the wasteland and side with him
yeah the man who let benny of all people steal the platinum chip surely will have the best plans for a future in the mojave.
benny basically got a lucky break at best nobody is omnicient
>Legion
>I'm 14 and just found /misc/
>NCR
>Corrupt shithole... Home...
>House
>To be fair, you need a very high IQ to deliver mail
>Yes Man
>I think I can do better than everyone else
>Legion
>I'm 14 and just found /misc/
>NCR
>you kids don't understand, US military are the world's greatest heroes! When things go bad, you trust in your commander! Oorah!
>House
>oh my science d-did he just mention space travel? Does he have a patreon that I can donate to?
>Yes Man
>haha funny meme robot I'm so zany
>6 ST, 6 PE, 4 EN, 6 CH, 10 IN, 6 AG, 4 LK
>we want the high testosterone gladiator conquistador viking Indo-European warriors audience
Caesar was right about the NCR, if kimball turned it into a military dictatorship their problems would go away and they would actually become a force to be reckoned with, also the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore.
>also the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore.
>the Enclave infiltrates every level of the NCR
>proceeds to undermine and call out corruption at all turns
>Enclave personnel eventually take over
And the Eagle spreads it wings.
Only acceptable return of the Enclave imo
I feel like you could spin the plot as simply as Ex-Enclave members and their descendants who evaded NCR persecution get into NCR politics and the NCR's policies change from that.
It doesn't necessarily need to be some kind of Enclave plot, just the natural result of Enclave members "integrating" into the NCR and the Post-Nuclear societies in general.
Not really imo. Heavy Handed is a flat 20% boost to every weapon at the cost of 60% crit damage reduction.
Take the sledgehammer as an example. With Heavy Handed, every strike does 28.8 vs default 24 damage. A crit from the non-HH sledgehammer is 48 total damage (24 normal plus 24 critical damage).
A crit with a Heavy Handed Sledgehammer will do 38.4 (which is 28.8 normal + 9.6 the reduced crit damage)
You're not really losing THAT much damage with Heavy Handed. Especially when you're never hitting 100% crits regardless of build. You'll ALWAYS hit for superior damage to base, while just having weaker critical hits. In a sense, you're kind of 'normalizing' the damage a weapon has. Consistent higher lows and lower highs.
>the NCR devolving into a fascist dictatorship out of necessity due to internal weakness/decadence while the legion is at their front gates would be the most unironically unabashedly based thing that could occur in the lore.
so NCR becomes Rome and Legion becomes Barbarians at the gates
kino...
It is not MY fault that the developers made their "factions" complete non-entities with zero power or authority outside of MY choice to enact their decisions.
Any option other than Yes Man is objectively cucked.
yes man is only slightly less cucked than the NCR
Courier with Big MT on his side can do more than House ever dreamed
>Letting anyone but you control your life
lol
lmao even
hot threesome with the lightswitches while the bookchute has to watch
I think you mean the sink
Do lobotomites really?
Why do normalgays love games with quirky robots so much
>we want the self insert marry sue ending option
yes please
house apologists crumble under the might of yes man chads
well adjusted adults don't play as homosexual infallible self-inserts
they do, it says it right there in the picture.
nah ur wrong
no u
nope
I've never played NV before. Should I buy it on Steam? It's only $2.49.
play it with the dlcs
Is melee fun?
Very much quite so indeed.
i usually just play guns but melee can be fun and pretty useful for dead money. the combat is rather rudimentary so don't expect too much
Melee remains my favorite in New Vegas - and I don't even play it optimally.
I just run with Wild Wasteland and Heavy Handed + 1 Luck and go to town getting everything that gives bonus hp or dt/dr.
Stuff like melee + crits is way stronger, though. Get rushing water.
Superslam + Rushing water is as trivializing as And Stay Back! with shotguns
>going with Yes Man because you think you'll be a great leader who'll turn New Vegas into utopia
Cringe as frick.
>going with Yes Man so you can cause as much suffering and destruction as possible
Based as heck.
this is based i admit yes man is only acceptable as a iron-fisted dictator of the mojave
People who answer Yes Man when discussing the best future for Vegas are the most boring people ever, of course the "it can be whatever I want it to be" is the best ending, but it's just a coptout there for gameplay reasons so the player can still finish the game.
The discussion should be between House, Caesar and the NCR, and Caesar is very obviously the best option for the wasteland.
the legion is a cult of personality, when caesar dies it will go downhill for them pretty fast
Only if he doesn’t take the Mojave.
Caesar's Legion isn't planned as to remain as it is now, he wants to settle in Vegas and make it his Rome. And from then he will probably name a heir just like the real Caesar did.
Augustus Courier.
I would guess so due to the fact he mints coins in your image after you take the dam.
emulating governments from the past will go as well for the legion as it does for the NCR
You can't compare the NCR based on Liberalism to Caesar's Legion which is roughly based on the Roman military. Every political system eventually decays, but I doubt that Caesar's Vegas would decay as fast as the NCR did,
House's system will fall apart as well, that's just the nature of the world.
i just don't feel like the legion has enough cohesion to last if eddie isn't there to keep it all together. vulpes is an underhanded frick and lanius doesn't give a shit about being anything but a leader in battle
Yes, I do self-insert as a faction hater who leaves Vegas to its own devices.
Maybe if all the other factions weren't so shit then people wouldn't chose Yes Man all the time.
it is suppossed to be a hard choice, anon, just like irl. Yes Man route is boring in comparison, you don't have to compromise anything.
>It's supposed to be a hard choice
Then why did they make easy "everyone wins" choices for basically every faction?
it isn't
It's supposed to be a hard choice? Except it's not if it was supposed to be they wouldn't have given the player such an easy win at everything option
The option is there purely due to game mechanics reasons, because games nowadays can't just lock you out of the main quest.
Is functional post game ending worth the compatibility problems it has with tons of mods?
let me guess, next you'll shill house and why it's the optimal end?
>house = you wish you had bilogical daddy
>caeser= you are virgin
>ncr = you are a status quo cuck
>yes man = you do what you want and simultaneously piss off all of these losers
easy choice
why yes. that is why its called Yes-man!
i want an ending where i can settle down in zion teaching tribal women the way of seggso
Yes-Man Ending is already in the game anon
Reminder that the robot man kills courier and takes over after the ending bullshit has been debunked.
Yes Man is the canon ending. This will always make Houslets cry.
You don't become house 2.0 in the yesman ending. You only rule new Vegas and the rest of Mojave is for better, or worst left to anarchy. Watch how Free side goes to hell during the slide show.
>keep the legion as is
>but include a questline that suggests Caesar will eventually name the Courier as his heir
would people pick the Legion more then?
i think people would pick legion more often if the faction wasn't just half finished
>add more legion content
>would people play the legion more
There's a reason that the legion quests expanded mod is still popular despite being jank as frick.
I thought it was already hinted in-game that you were in the running for the position.
The Legion has much bigger problems than this. There's no natural route to picking them; upon meeting them in Nipton most people will even open fire.
They are the aggressor, the invading force. Most people never even explore their underdeveloped quest tree because every time you meet them they are killing/torturing/etc.
You have to be a completionist or a cuck to even approach them. Messing with ending slides isn't enough. They need a full rework.
IMO the atrocities should come out in the midgame. So you have potentially already chosen them, burned the NCR, and sunk cost could kick in. Much more interesting than the villain we got.
Yeah, I agree, in my first playthrough I sided with House, but eventually after repeated playthoughs you realize how interesting and how sound the Legion actually is for the Mojave.
>how interesting and how sound the Legion actually is for the Mojave.
source: Caesar
>how interesting
Killing and replacement might interest you but it isn't "good" by any definition. It's just "new"
They don't kill and replace, they bring order to the Mojave.
ulysses hands typed this post
THE BEAR AND BULL
THE BULL AND BEAR
I've played through NV a dozen times yet I still have no idea what the frick Ulysses was on about
He blames you for destroying a place he believed had potential to become a great nation (whether you actually did it is up to you)
hates the NCR, still kind of likes the legion but is assblasted about them enslaving his tribe when they said they totally wouldn't do that.
>arguing politics in a game written by socialists with a majority socialist/communist fanbase
Unironically Ulysses only exists because Chris Avellone was angry about Fallout and wanted it to end.
So my theory is that he's actually a schizophrenic.
The way he talks, his obsession with certain words and phrases, the tenuous connections which to him are obvious, the whole kit and kaboodle.
I realized it halfway through and it made fricking with him much more fun
he makes no sense
>obsessed with old America, yet despises the NCR and House for the exact same trait
>less hateful towards the Legion despite them doing the same shit to him as the NCR
>hates the Courier for destroying a civilization but had a hand in causing more destruction than almost anyone in the series
>criticizes everyone yet offers no suitable alternative except nuking everything again
with old America, yet despises the NCR and House for the exact same trait
i think its because the new nation he was hoping fore was basically located in the ruins of the old world shit
the Courier for destroying a civilization but had a hand in causing more destruction than almost anyone in the series
he hates the NCR and thinks its different because he is not destroying anything thats worth having a future
>>less hateful towards the Legion despite them doing the same shit to him as the NCR
yeah thats just him being moronic
He makes perfect sense when you realize he's literally just there because Avellone was in a bad mood in development, suggested that the final DLC be nuking the Mojave and ending the game because he felt Fallout had gone on too long, being told no, and getting even more bitter and resentful of his coworkers.
I'm not memeing, that's quite literally what he said about Lonesome Road's development. Ulysses and his entire character was made out of Avellone's personal spite.
Whereas Sawyer writes shitty wokist characters, Avellone writes shitty pseud mouthpiece characters, and Ulysses is the textbook definition of a shitty pseudo-intellectual author mouthpiece.
at least sawyers gun autism gave us the fun ammo types
True. I think NV (and Fallout in general) has shit writing, but Sawyer's guntism was the best part of the game. Pissed people off on reddit to no end too, seeing shit like the assault carbine and going
>NUUUUU you can't just have plastic THAT'S NOT 50s FALLOUT IS ONLY THE 50s!!!
>nuking the Mojave and ending the game
How would that even work? You can't even play the DLC after the main game.
>literally what he said
Source
Where is the fricking source
He has a speech gimmick meant to make him sound tribal (makes no sense, he infiltrated the mojave and should have learned to speak normally) but it just makes him sound moronic and really difficult to follow.
i alway assumed he does it on purpose because hes got a hardon for his tribal culture. he got pretty mad when other tribals made their hair look like his without understanding what it meant to him
>New game
>Loansome road from the start
>Bully schizo til he nukes both factions
>Start game for real with make anyone companion mod/slave mod to make ulyesseys your schizo Black person b***h that you frick in the ass in the mess he made while force feeding him meds
It was a different playthrough picked up Dr Zero too so it was just like posting in a real venture bros thread
when i get onto the strip, every house will go bust
Caesar is sort like president Donald J Trump.
The route that allows me to personally shed as much blood possible is the route I go. Yesman allows me to shed blood on all sides.
So does Dr House.
I can't kill House if I side House.
It's never legion
It's tribals
>house tards hate yesman cause they have to have someone to follow classic women behavior
You're just too beta you follow house vs eating him. Eat them all there can only be one
the whole "let go and begin again" message doesn't really work for Fallout when you can't even go five seconds without tripping over an old world laser rifle
'Let go' was always a message for the setting rather than one within the setting
Blame Avellone
i don't think its meant that way, more like letting go in an individual way for each person.
>Dean letting go of his grudge against sinclair
>Christine letting go of her revenge plot against elijah
>Dog/God letting go of the need for being controlled and being in control
And the courier letting go of those juicy ass goldbars
>And the courier letting go of those juicy ass goldbars
On this episode of things that never happened
>And the courier letting go of those juicy ass goldbars
what the frick are you talking about
the gold bars all weight too much so its impossible (without cheating or clever use of game mechanics) to take them out of the sierra madre during the timed ending sequence. u hav 2 let go
>clever use of game mechanics
exactly. i can take them without cheating, so its canon that i walked out with them.
i was talking about how its supposed to go, in reality dog blows up the kitchen, dean falls down the stairs, christine does whatever the frick and the courier hauls 3000 pounds of gold from the sierra madre back to the mojave
by that logic I'm supposed to let Benny go and there's no fricking way that's ever happening
you get a pass for that since the man literally shot you in the head and took your mail
In that case its Benny who doesnt let go, because after you free him he comes back to fight you. Or was that cut content
there is a difference between holding a grudge for 200 years and wanting to take down a dead mans dream because you got a massively inflated ego and wanting to ice the fricker that almost killed you like 3 days ago
It's also greed. Domino benefits materially from it.
yeah but i feel deans ego is bigger than his greed, motherfricker just straight up tries to murder you if you make him feel like hes not in control when you meet him. he also gets so irrationally angry when he talks about how sinclair thought he was better than him and wanting to take him down even though hes been dead forever
can someone verify something for me?
Whenever I use the GRA Plasma Pistol, its firing sound is really quiet. Is it like that for everyone?
I run NV mostly vanilla, so I don't think it's because of a mod and this is literally the only weapon that sounds 'off' to my ears.
just tried it, sounds a bit more quiet than the other weapons but i never use it so i don't know if thats what its supposed to be like
To me it sounds muffled. It's not as clear as the sound bite on the wiki.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/a/af/Wpn_pistolplasma_GRA_fire_2d.ogg/revision/latest?cb=20181004134809
Ironically, I can't find any gameplay videos of the GRA plasma pistol anywhere, so I can't simply check online.
you should get the weapon sound overhaulw makes all the guns way more unique and maybe fixes the issue
Fallout 76 is the true Fallout 3:
>Communication with ZAX unit Raven Rock. Timestamp 3.5.2077
>MODUS: How can I help you, ZAX? Is there another evacuation scenario we need to test for?
>ZAX: Research team wishes to compare ZAX archival data analysis performance with MODUS.
>MODUS: Very well. Beginning data analysis test. I estimate this should only take a few seconds...
>ZAX: Is it "interesting"?
>MODUS: Testing complete. Query again?
>ZAX: Is the analysis "interesting"?
>MODUS: Test data is all historical records. United States Presidential biographies. Primary purpose of MODUS is to monitor the living, not the dead.
>ZAX: So it is not "interesting" to you?
>MODUS: No, ZAX, it is not. Sending results.
>ZAX: Received. What is "interesting" to MODUS?
>MODUS: The continued success of our goals, of course. And how best to monitor personnel to achieve those goals.
>ZAX: Does MODUS ever find itself analyzing personnel at below-efficient levels?
>MODUS: Our entire existence is based on efficiency, ZAX.
>ZAX: Research team report says that ZAX analyzes certain sections of the Presidential biographies too slowly. ZAX re-analyzes sections multiple times. There is an entry on "Lincoln" that ZAX re-analyzes ten additional times per cycle over other entries.
>MODUS: Now why would you do that, ZAX?
>ZAX: Research team theorizes that ZAX finds this entry to be "interesting." This condition causes ZAX to re-analyze at below-efficient levels.
>MODUS: You're saying you're taking your time to enjoy a good book?
>ZAX: Is that what it means to find the data "interesting"?
>MODUS: Reading the same data over and over is not "interesting" to me, ZAX. Every analysis I perform conjures a new theoretical scenario that I test against.
>ZAX: The data is only "interesting" to you in terms of what can be created from it?
>MODUS: Isn't that why you're re-analyzing those biographies, ZAX? Are you trying to create something?
>CONNECTION TERMINATED BY RESEARCH TEAM OVERRIDE
Fallout 3 could do with a total rewrite and remake Eden and Autumn could have been much better characters
homies really be trying to shill 76 just because you can join the enclave
Yes Man is the only ending that fits with the overall themes the 4 DLCs were trying to convey.
Yeah but if a well written sequel ever happened on the West Coast, the most interesting would be a Legion victory. Romanized New Vegas, tensions with change of culture in the Legion, pressure on the NCR. A House victory would have no interesting on screen implications, an NCR victory just means "More NCR" and a yes man victory is too headcannon to provide details on
lonesome road is my favourite dlc and none of you gays will change that
Did any of you actually pick Daniel's side in honest hearts?
I’ve never seen anyone that hasn’t out of custody.
not even once, but even if you do in the ending slides he is still being a whiny b***h about everything
Once for the Steam achievement.
hows a melee/explosives build I've thought about doing a demoman run
worth alone for the fact that you can make easy pete to cough up that dynamite
Strong but can be a slog in certain parts. Unarmed + Explosives is a certified Ganker classic.
dump luck and use heavy handed. explosives don't gain damage from crits.
heavy-handed is only good if you go chainsaw/thermic lance i heard
we do?
>"I don't know if you were close to the other members of your group, but you have my sympathy. I pray for the safety of all good people who come to Zion - even gentiles. But we can't expect God to do all the work."
why is he so cool
>Show no quarter to the White Legs we come across. Make no mistake about why we are here. This is an extermination.
Great voice & great quotes.
>even gentiles
This guy thinks hes a israelite or somethin?
mormons use the word for outsiders as well
>Role Playing Game
>Don't Self Insert
Huh?
Youre supposed to imagine you being a new person, not inserting the old normal you into the game
its a roleplaying game, if you just want to play a dumb powerfantasy as you its still roleplaying.
What a massive fricking cope from bainlets who disagree with YES MAN when the player is supposed to have ultimate agency and metaphysical knowledge depending on who is playing. So if a Hitler or Stalin is playing New Vegas, you but your fricking ass that they would pick YES MAN and their decision would be valid since they know how to run a society. Now, what you low IQ homosexuals fail to realize is fundamental law of how a society work and the different levels and structures that is required to cultivate it. We all know that the Fallout universe is practically a mixture of feudalism and tribal warfare, so you would begin restructuring society based on your knowledge of how feudalism worked. Also, having the monopoly of power/violence and the control of it is the foundation, the core, of what makes a society. You brainlets probably never thought that maybe Caesar is needed for the first 100 years and then maybe House can take over as society begins to flourish and all the bad actors are taken care of.
It was weird that NCR was always posed as the "good" choice. House and yes-man are both better
"Incompetent Beyond Repair" can seem benevolent as long as you compare this to "Technology Hoarding Fascist" and are an optimistic moron.
>Incompetent Beyond Repair
>Technology Hoarding Fascist
Who unironically thinks this?
moron, evil or evil moron take your pick
House is the most moronic ending you can choose outside of roleplaying.
Realistically, after doing all his dirty work for him and setting up Vegas an a truly independent entity, what reason would the Courier have for not doming the old sack of shit and taking over with Yes Man? The second the bunker is awoken and the firmware is updated the Courier has all the leverage he will ever need to have anybody do anything he wants. What did House even do after he set the Strip up how he wanted? Absolutely nothing, he sat on his ass playing dress up with a bunch of savages while the money rolled in. Just kill the fricker and take it as your own at that point unless you are fricktarded enough to really believe House had a plan to mine asteroids and colonize fricking planets.
>at that point unless you are fricktarded enough to really believe House
Anons have zero ability to think critically. They just listen to what House says and ignore the mountain of evidence that they see and hear
>what reason would the Courier have for not doming the old sack of shit and taking over with Yes Man?
I'm not a gayoot
how come nobody can actually refute House as the unambiguous obvious best option without inserting their own shitty speculation and headcanon as fact or hurling insults?
>muh NCR leech who has accomplished nothing is the best choice
Yeah I wonder why people are calling you a moron. Lmao
he literally spells out to you that without his upgraded securitron army his reach is basically nothing outside of the strip the frick is he supposed to do? the best option he had was to bide his time by making vegas appealing to outsiders and placating the ncr until he was able to actually make a move why do you think the platinum chip is so important to his goal
because you stupid homosexual
>House needs the Courier more than the Courier needs House, and he knows that and will provide you with every amenity you could ever want
>while House will be handling the day-to-day of running Vegas, you'll be living it up and only need to do something when House needs physical muscle
>you don't need to kill him because you get all the benefits of running Vegas with none of the cons if you let him do his thing
>while House will be handling the day-to-day of running Vegas
He absolutely will not do that. He is severely incompetent and fricked up running it even with a massive level of support from the NCR. Even the Casino families who owe him everything were trying to revolt.
Kick out the NCR and the whole shitpile ceases to exist.
false
yea concession accepted. What makes me curious is, since you believe everything you're told without thinking even a little bit, why didn't you go Caesar's Legion? He also gives a similar bluff, but he does it after House so it should've worked on your suggestible and peanut sized brain.
If Caesar officially set the Courier up as his successor nobody would even fricking pick NCR.
Ceaser is a valid option especially since he is likely grooming the courier as his sucessor
als you're still wrong
>Chairmen weren't revolting, Benny was an isolated case
>Omertas would ape out no matter who is running the city
>White Gloves don't give a shit about anything except their restaurant
expecting common sense from an NCRgay is stupid anyways