It's the next stage. A Primaris Primaris Marine. Powercreeped rules (making them even more powerful than the old boring Primaris) will be in the next codex.
At least they look unique >forge guard
jfc cant these frickwits at least attempt to approach dwarves from an angle that hasnt been done a million times before >LE EPIC BEER >LE EPIC BEARDS >LE EPIC AXES >LE EPIC HAMMERS >LE EPIC FORGE
Its all so tiring
I don't understand how they turned the simple idea of space dwarves into some nu viking bullshit.
I can deal with the beer and beards but the hammers, rune and forge bullshit just ruins it. Dwarves are already un popular in generic fantasy so applying that to sci-fi is not going to work.
You know that they all share the same cultural origins, a lot of the old germanic tribes used runes. To claim one as "anglo-saxon" runes and one as "Scandinavian" runes is over all pretty stupid.
The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about.
His idea of what dwarves were a mix of old cultures and traditions of which some were israeli, germanic and some even roman.
Their are clear differences in the concept of a Anglo Saxon and the Scandinavian, Anglo Saxons adapted their culture and tales to fit Christianity while the Scandinavians stayed true to their Germanic origin. They were once both the same culture but what most people think of Anglo Saxons are not their old cousins who were sheep frickers and carved runes, they think of stories like king author and king Henry.
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Anonymous
>The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about
hhaha what are you just deliberately typing up nonsensical shit to troll?
what are you even implying here?
>Frick off you mentally ill french c**t. Your posts don't even make sense >If I see only 1 source I agree with then its right
i don't think i'm the mentally ill one here, study history more.
you are mentally ill and completely ignorant of history
2 years ago
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>hhaha what are you just deliberately typing up nonsensical shit to troll?
he is actually right about tolkien and king arthur >you are mentally ill and completely ignorant of history
you literally didn't know tolkein wrote about king arthur and for some reason think that fantasy = history, i'm not the one mentally ill here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What about King Arthur? Tolkien didn't like King Arthur and the Arthurian was a Briton legend not Anglo-saxon
You are an idiot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you trying to articulate you think LotR was based on King Arthur? i can't work out what you are trying to say because you are so bad at English and conveying your point.
take your meds, i'm not everyone in this thread for one, and for 2 tolkien actually did like king arthur he was in the process of writing a book about it that was published after his death.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what has Arthur got to do with Anglo-saxon dwarves? When did i ever say i thought arthur was real >tolkien actually did like king arthur
He didn't, he wrote LotR partly because he didn't like Arthurian myth, it wasn't Anglo-saxon.
Tolkien was pretty explicit about what he liked and didn't like.
2 years ago
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85181592
you know that the main historical book about Arthur was made to show the history of the kings of England. My point is that you are taking the term "anglo saxon" and applying general traits of all the germanic tribes and saying they are "anglo saxon" when they are germanic. The concept of an anglo saxon in fantasy are the ones from the tales of arthur not the ancient germanic tribes. Yes it was a story from the britons but you missed the entire point that original story was about england and the people of england.
Anglo saxon in a fantasy sense is commonly taken as the people in the tales of king Arthur and other general english folk lore. Germanic ideals are normally taken as Scandinavian because they are they stuck to those ideals
Fantasy in general is medieval and thus ancient tribes of anglo saxons does not really apply to the definition of medieval.
No one writes a book like lotr out of spite. He did it to make it more english and wanted a purely english folk tale not some hybrid that is the tales of Arthur. Also because he disliked christian writings.
>tolkien invented the archetypal dwarves >was a professor and expert of Anglo-saxon culture >moron: um Arthur durr! >what? >excuse me?
Mentally ill esls should be allowed on English sites.
Anglo saxon culture is part of english culture you frick wit. I said that all germanic culture is so similar to anglo saxon that you cannot point and say these made up runes on this plastic figure are clearly anglo saxon when so many other germanic tribes had runes as well.
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what lol? Anglo-saxons is a historic term that has nothing to do with Arthur.
Tolkien was an expert in Anglo-saxon culture abd language. >the tales of king Arthur and other general english folk lore.
King Arthur revolves around Welsh fables not Anglo-saxons. Its not Germanic. >No one writes a book like lotr out of spite
Who said anything about spite? why does not liking something imply that to you?
Tolkien very clearly wrote LotR because he wanted a myth for England and an Anglo-saxon one. Arthurian legend wasn't good enough for him in that regard.
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Yes he was and if you know anything about germanic cultures their all very fricking similar and infact the origins of the rune language did not even come from anglo saxons it was some culture before it.
>King Arthur revolves around Welsh fables not Anglo-saxons. Its not Germanic.
if you read them its about the people of england and all of its cultures and tales, were do you think the blood drinking and pagan rituals came from in the stories.
I do not disagree that tolken may have written the dwarves to have anglo saxon origins but the cultures and traditions that are in the dwarves can be found in almost every germanic culture. Runes are not unique to anglo saxons, nor are beards, nor are drinking. To sperg out and say well their actually anglo saxon when their cultures are almost all the same is pretty dumb. Its like saying that the eastern romans weren't romans they were greek.
you have a really distorted perception of history, fact and fantasy.
Nothing you are saying is making any sense.
Frick of pajeet.
2 years ago
Anonymous
everything comes before something else moron-kun,
Its no secret Anglo-saxons were Germanic, they were Suebi from the continent and had a Germanic culture.
What you seem to be saying is you believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur, thats a lie and stupidity. Its just a conjunction of Angles and Saxones living in England and is used in historic texts, again Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-saxons studies and language. He was incredibly fond of Anglo-saxon and proud of his Anglo-saxon ancestry.
You are a disgusting liar.
2 years ago
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>believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur
Huh i never said this. >Angles and Saxones living in England
Yea so their english and the tales of Arthur are about the cultures of england.
I never said he wasn't proud of his anglo saxon ancestry.
I'm just saying that pointing at runes in the fantasy genre and saying their anglo saxon is pretty stupid because runes are just generally a germanic thing. Frick even warhammer fantasy dwarves have the meme viking wings.
>Angles and Saxones >What you seem to be saying is you believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur,
You are either a pajeet or an ai.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop lying you schrizophrenic dumb frick we can see your posts >runes
Doesn't matter he explicitly said in his letters Dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes. >The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about. >tolkein wrote about king arthur and for some reason think that fantasy = history
These are your nonsensical moronic posts, you poltards are mentally ill.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anglo Saxons were not suebian, moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
yes they were moron
Tacitus[edit]
The map shows both the Anglia (Angeln) and the Schwansen peninsulas
Possible locations of the Angles and Jutes before their migration to Britain
The earliest known mention of the Angles may be in chapter 40 of Tacitus's Germania written around AD 98. Tacitus describes the "Anglii" as one of the more remote Suebic tribes compared to the Semnones and Langobardi, who lived on the Elbe and were better known to the Romans.
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yes they are you moron
Ptolemy[edit]
Ptolemy, writing in around AD 150, in his atlas Geography (2.10), describes them in a confusing manner. In one passage, the Sueboi Angeilloi (in Greek equivalent to Latin spelling Suevi Angili),
2 years ago
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you have a really distorted perception of history, fact and fantasy.
Nothing you are saying is making any sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tolkien himself used israelites as one of the themes for his dwarfs and didn't try to hide that, it's not controversial. Even their language is semitic-inspired (unlike say the Elf languages and Rohirric).
>I think poorly of the broadcast adaptations. Except for a few details I think they are not well >done, even granted the script and the legitimacy of the enterprise (which I do not grant). But they >took some trouble with the names. I thought that the Dwarf (Glóin not Gimli, but I suppose Gimli >will look like his father – apparently someone's idea of a German) was not too bad, if a bit >exaggerated. I do think of the 'Dwarves' like israelites: at once native and alien in their habitations, >speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongu
2 years ago
Anonymous
he also said he didn't intend them to literally be seen as israelites.
he means they have their own language and culture but use local names
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Tolkien disliked direct analogues between rl and his stories so he avoided them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Allegories, not analogues
His book isn't a secret commentary on the atom bomb or the world war etc
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are you trying to articulate you think LotR was based on King Arthur? i can't work out what you are trying to say because you are so bad at English and conveying your point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i can't work out what you are trying to say because you are so bad at English and conveying your point
lmfao, i think that may be due to you either not being very smart or your ESL and just projecting. Its pretty straight forward.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your point is nonsensical, you are just bringing up random shit that has nothing to do with Anglo-saxon themed dwarves.
You have dunning-kruger.
2 years ago
Anonymous
what has Arthur got to do with Anglo-saxon dwarves? When did i ever say i thought arthur was real >tolkien actually did like king arthur
He didn't, he wrote LotR partly because he didn't like Arthurian myth, it wasn't Anglo-saxon.
Tolkien was pretty explicit about what he liked and didn't like.
why are you blending all the topics together like this? Are you sure your okay?
2 years ago
Anonymous
are you legit mentally ill?
2 years ago
Anonymous
pretty sure you are
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok i'll accept that as a concession you are severely sick in the head
2 years ago
Anonymous
glad you can admit it through projection about being wrong, must suck having to do all these mental gymnastics when everything you say is wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wrong about what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wrong about what?
reading comprehension zero, reread it again, I believe in you!
2 years ago
Anonymous
can't say can you, c**t?
2 years ago
Anonymous
sorry but that isn't even proper english, good try though 😀
>Space Dwarfs >Wants them without beer >Wants them without beards >Wants them without Axes >Wants them without hammers >Wants them without forges
Don't really know what you are expecting from space dwarves
It isn't nearly as good as any forgefather model anon and those are at least ten years old, it looks like some very mediocre kickstarter mini and bears no resemblance to any of the other squat stuff past or present
GW should just theme a release after this cinematic lel
Squad or two of basic spesh dwarfs, plus these new exosuits vs a bunch of gaunts, raveners and warriors set on a space station themed board that comes with the box.
I'd buy that box.
this warhammer 40k predates starcraft, blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop; those two games became Starcraft and Warcraft. Not to say that Starcraft and Warcraft don't have merit, but they took inspiration off of the Warhammer IP much like how all fantasy takes from Lord of the Rings or sci-fi takes from Dune.
yes, the kali yuga turns, and with each turn everything looses its luster and becomes a lesser form of its earlier years till it dissolves and is then reborn.
>blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop; those two games became Starcraft and Warcraft.
False
>blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop
This never happened. Blizzard opted to pursue their own IPs before they even started working on Warcraft, moron.
>Space Marines are the most successful and best selling faction >other factions don't sell anywhere near as well as marines >turn everyone else into space marines >now everyone is as successful as space marines >rake in the profit
I see nothing wrong with this.
Let me guess, according to lore, they will kick the shit out of some SM chapter?
I think it will be or Black Templars, or Raven Guard, last ones are the big masters in such matters.
Heh, I think they just didn't bother to make something different. Both this and the SC marine are fairly generic power armors with an astronaut helmet tacked on. The similarities are due to laziness and using the same design sources, not intentional.
A couple of people in the process must have noticed and perhaps even voiced the resemblance to Starcraft, but marketing/managers either didn't care or thought that was a plus.
This seems about, hmm, -5.7 in the SOUL! scale? Worse than Resident Evil: Retribution but better than The Fate of the Furious.
Don't forget we're at a point where the newer guys are coming through, and their influences are going to be less 2000AD and more ... well, Blizzard (et al) because that's what their teenage years were spent with.
Point taken. But given the generic genericness of the design, they could have made a better job if that was the case? The whole thing still says "don't care enough to make any effort" to me. Even the details are generic, colors, extra plating, sorta "runes".
For example, the Leo mobile suits of Gundam Wing were simpler, but had a certain character and looked like something practical. This one manages to not look like anything really.
You are probably right, just voicing my feelings here. People complain about Tau mechas being "anime", I fricking wish they actually were. They are boring.
Perfectly understood. I think the design brief may also be part of the issue. They can't look too alien as they're "human" (and to be fair always have been) but they have to be recognisably high-tech in comparison to the Imperium. The problem is that this is inevitably going to lead to 'generic sci-fi' as there are only limited ways to pull that off, and many alternatives have already been claimed by other factions (Tau, possibly some of Eldar for the more animeish/'smooth' direction, AdMech the 'retro raygun' option, GSC for 'grimy industrial' and really this is recognisably LOWER tech than the Imperial war machine in general). But they also have to be 'dwarfs in space' which using Fantasy language implies a degree of heft and 'chunk', so that again rules out a number of design paths, like those Leo's (I agree they're a nice design, but I personally don't get 'dwarf' from them).
Makes sense. I don't have a solution, just think that it seems difficult but doable if, again, they made an effort.
Sorry for not being clear, I didn't mean the Leo should be a "dwarfy" design, just meant it as an example that "simple" and "generic" aren't the same thing.
My favorite part about squotanns is that they get /tg/ so fricking assmad that each new announcement is accompanied by like twenty of threads of analpain
Often times with figurines, they can look lifeless in their posings. So they try to place the figurines in movement or holding a pose that obviously can't be maintained, so as to make them seem more animated or vivacious. Sometimes in capturing the likeness of a humanoid mid stride or about to take a step appears like a person on their tiptoes.
We've had multiple art movements since antiquity focused on getting vivacious poses into statues.
What helps it feel alive isn't so much capturing motion, but capturing weight.
It's a bunch of little things, like how the shoulders sit, the posture, one leg being favoured over the other, the clothing, the asymmetry, etc.
Little things GW doesn't want to bother with, even with CAD allowing them to theoretically get that shit much more easily than if they were carving masters at a similar scale.
Weren't the analogue masters made in 3:1 scale and then translated in mould-making into smaller, final form?
Some were, but artistry in stance shows even at the very low level. Foot-high bronzes can have better weight that full-sizes ones if they're sculpted by someone who has a sense of the... kinetics involved in even a neutral, stable stance.
The obvious downside to this is that the strength of the Space Marine line of yore, almost across all versions of the Marines including Chaos, was that swapping out bits was extremely easy because just about everything fit together in the same way. This made it very easy to create new and interesting models by taking the bits from 2-3 boxes and make your own guys. With the more dynamic models the bits often fit together in only one way on one particular model, so if you want to combine stuff you either have to break out the modelling kit or you're shit outta luck.
the armor is dope with the exception of these moronic heads and that weird stick thing that you glue onto what is presumably supposed to be the leader.
Hopefully i can throw out all these heads and replace them with cool 3rd party ones.
Firstly, they have lots of other models with no beards
Secondly, beards are a key part of any dwarf race, making a model without them/cant see them/they're not illustrated through helmets is a failure. You knife earred git.
You say it like its a bad thing?
SC marines are objecively one of the best sci-fi designs in gaming, it's nice to see models based on that, even if they are space brits.
Why not just get actual minis modelled after starcraft men? Is it so you can play in a GW store and pretend you have starcraft men? It can't be to attend GW events because every good tabletop player knows any sense of competition is wrong.
>Early Anglo-Saxon society attached great significance to the horse; a horse may have been an acquaintance of the god Woden, and/or they may have been (according to Tacitus) confidants of the gods. Horses were closely associated with gods, especially Odin and Freyr. Horses played a central role in funerary practices as well as in other rituals.[158] Horses were prominent symbols of fertility, and there were many horse fertility cults. The rituals associated with these include horse fights, burials, consumption of horse meat, and horse sacrifice.[159] Hengist and Horsa, the mythical ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons, were associated with horses,[160] and references to horses are found throughout Anglo-Saxon literature.[161]
>according to Tacitus >the man that did not speak to the early celts at all >mfw using "anglo-saxon" before the saxons actually came around 450 BC and Tacitus visited Britannia at some time around 60 to 77 BC (I can't remember)
They aren't vikangs they are Anglo-saxon >what is Tolkien
they aren't even anglo-saxon, dwarves in tolkien were inspired off of Scandinavian dwarfs and he just remixed them up a bit. Some people like to draw parallels with israelites or other greedy types of people, but in context of LOTRs they are kinda a mythical creature like a Scandinavian troll was (read troll as witch).
they are Anglo-saxon everything is Anglo-saxon in LotR >Scandinavian
What do you think Anglo-saxon culture was derived from.
The runes you complain about in LotR the dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes >according to Tacitus >the man that did not speak to the early celts at all
wtf are you saying? are you that mentally ill french dickweed?
>The runes you complain about in LotR the dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes
not that anon >wtf are you saying? are you that mentally ill french dickweed?
if you didn't know that tacitus is someone to read with a grain of salt you don't seem to know Tacitus that well
yes he wrote Germania but how do you know if its true it literally we only have 1 source? Did you know that roman translators tended to be so awful that they preferred foreign interpreters?
>Frick off you mentally ill french c**t. Your posts don't even make sense >If I see only 1 source I agree with then its right
i don't think i'm the mentally ill one here, study history more.
>according to Tacitus >the man that did not speak to the early celts at all >mfw using "anglo-saxon" before the saxons actually came around 450 BC and Tacitus visited Britannia at some time around 60 to 77 BC (I can't remember)
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they aren't even anglo-saxon, dwarves in tolkien were inspired off of Scandinavian dwarfs and he just remixed them up a bit. Some people like to draw parallels with israelites or other greedy types of people, but in context of LOTRs they are kinda a mythical creature like a Scandinavian troll was (read troll as witch).
they are Anglo-saxon everything is Anglo-saxon in LotR >Scandinavian
What do you think Anglo-saxon culture was derived from.
The runes you complain about in LotR the dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes >according to Tacitus >the man that did not speak to the early celts at all
wtf are you saying? are you that mentally ill french dickweed?
I'm not going to deny that they're generic as frick, but I like these models. A little. Not that it matters, absent so major change I'm not going to be buying any GW products
Why didn't GW just use Age of Sigmar Space Dwarves? Kharadron Overlords? Hell they could keep the aesthetics and give them high tech equipment. That way the League can do the Imperium better than the Imperium by using older shit that is stronger than current nu shit.
>That way the League can do the Imperium better than the Imperium by using older shit that is stronger than current nu shit.
Thats what they are doing. It's just old human tech looks like 50's sci fi robby the robot shit, as they've shown multiple times before announcing nu squats.
You would've thought DRG would've shown them proper space dwarves like the ones they actually had a few decades ago would play really well with the kind of audience they're trying to court.
>tolkien invented the archetypal dwarves >was a professor and expert of Anglo-saxon culture >moron: um Arthur durr! >what? >excuse me?
Mentally ill esls should be allowed on English sites.
Wrong about what? why can't you say? >assumptions
say the guy that started sperging about arthur abd claiming the other anon thought arthur was real. When he didn't even mention it.
>say the guy that started sperging about arthur abd claiming the other anon thought arthur was real. When he didn't even mention it.
all i said was that tolkien wrote about arthur and liked it, again take your meds
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Anonymous
what has this got to do with the conversation dunning-kruger? >liked it
he didn't, he said this in his letters
2 years ago
Anonymous
if you can't string it together yourself when its obvious then no point in wasting my breath.
it's my opinion that GW lost that special design magic that made their original designs so memorable. I've no major issues with these fantasy-esque squats, but recent designs have felt very passe and would have struggled to look cool 10 years ago, and lack all the timelessness a regular old space marine has.
Is this a Mantic Games mini?
I think that's those cool new not!Vulcan dwarves for 40k
It's the next stage. A Primaris Primaris Marine. Powercreeped rules (making them even more powerful than the old boring Primaris) will be in the next codex.
Mantic's exo-armour dudes look nicer tbqh
They both look like shit
Not really but I'm sure it's way cheaper
It's not great but it's better than space-marineier space marine.
>rock men
K mate
At least they look unique
>forge guard
jfc cant these frickwits at least attempt to approach dwarves from an angle that hasnt been done a million times before
>LE EPIC BEER
>LE EPIC BEARDS
>LE EPIC AXES
>LE EPIC HAMMERS
>LE EPIC FORGE
Its all so tiring
>and when everything's subversive, nothing will be
I don't understand how they turned the simple idea of space dwarves into some nu viking bullshit.
I can deal with the beer and beards but the hammers, rune and forge bullshit just ruins it. Dwarves are already un popular in generic fantasy so applying that to sci-fi is not going to work.
They aren't vikangs they are Anglo-saxon
>what is Tolkien
You know that they all share the same cultural origins, a lot of the old germanic tribes used runes. To claim one as "anglo-saxon" runes and one as "Scandinavian" runes is over all pretty stupid.
The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about.
His idea of what dwarves were a mix of old cultures and traditions of which some were israeli, germanic and some even roman.
Their are clear differences in the concept of a Anglo Saxon and the Scandinavian, Anglo Saxons adapted their culture and tales to fit Christianity while the Scandinavians stayed true to their Germanic origin. They were once both the same culture but what most people think of Anglo Saxons are not their old cousins who were sheep frickers and carved runes, they think of stories like king author and king Henry.
>The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about
hhaha what are you just deliberately typing up nonsensical shit to troll?
what are you even implying here?
you are mentally ill and completely ignorant of history
>hhaha what are you just deliberately typing up nonsensical shit to troll?
he is actually right about tolkien and king arthur
>you are mentally ill and completely ignorant of history
you literally didn't know tolkein wrote about king arthur and for some reason think that fantasy = history, i'm not the one mentally ill here.
What about King Arthur? Tolkien didn't like King Arthur and the Arthurian was a Briton legend not Anglo-saxon
You are an idiot.
take your meds, i'm not everyone in this thread for one, and for 2 tolkien actually did like king arthur he was in the process of writing a book about it that was published after his death.
what has Arthur got to do with Anglo-saxon dwarves? When did i ever say i thought arthur was real
>tolkien actually did like king arthur
He didn't, he wrote LotR partly because he didn't like Arthurian myth, it wasn't Anglo-saxon.
Tolkien was pretty explicit about what he liked and didn't like.
85181592
you know that the main historical book about Arthur was made to show the history of the kings of England. My point is that you are taking the term "anglo saxon" and applying general traits of all the germanic tribes and saying they are "anglo saxon" when they are germanic. The concept of an anglo saxon in fantasy are the ones from the tales of arthur not the ancient germanic tribes. Yes it was a story from the britons but you missed the entire point that original story was about england and the people of england.
Anglo saxon in a fantasy sense is commonly taken as the people in the tales of king Arthur and other general english folk lore. Germanic ideals are normally taken as Scandinavian because they are they stuck to those ideals
Fantasy in general is medieval and thus ancient tribes of anglo saxons does not really apply to the definition of medieval.
No one writes a book like lotr out of spite. He did it to make it more english and wanted a purely english folk tale not some hybrid that is the tales of Arthur. Also because he disliked christian writings.
Anglo saxon culture is part of english culture you frick wit. I said that all germanic culture is so similar to anglo saxon that you cannot point and say these made up runes on this plastic figure are clearly anglo saxon when so many other germanic tribes had runes as well.
what lol? Anglo-saxons is a historic term that has nothing to do with Arthur.
Tolkien was an expert in Anglo-saxon culture abd language.
>the tales of king Arthur and other general english folk lore.
King Arthur revolves around Welsh fables not Anglo-saxons. Its not Germanic.
>No one writes a book like lotr out of spite
Who said anything about spite? why does not liking something imply that to you?
Tolkien very clearly wrote LotR because he wanted a myth for England and an Anglo-saxon one. Arthurian legend wasn't good enough for him in that regard.
Yes he was and if you know anything about germanic cultures their all very fricking similar and infact the origins of the rune language did not even come from anglo saxons it was some culture before it.
>King Arthur revolves around Welsh fables not Anglo-saxons. Its not Germanic.
if you read them its about the people of england and all of its cultures and tales, were do you think the blood drinking and pagan rituals came from in the stories.
I do not disagree that tolken may have written the dwarves to have anglo saxon origins but the cultures and traditions that are in the dwarves can be found in almost every germanic culture. Runes are not unique to anglo saxons, nor are beards, nor are drinking. To sperg out and say well their actually anglo saxon when their cultures are almost all the same is pretty dumb. Its like saying that the eastern romans weren't romans they were greek.
Frick of pajeet.
everything comes before something else moron-kun,
Its no secret Anglo-saxons were Germanic, they were Suebi from the continent and had a Germanic culture.
What you seem to be saying is you believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur, thats a lie and stupidity. Its just a conjunction of Angles and Saxones living in England and is used in historic texts, again Tolkien was a professor of Anglo-saxons studies and language. He was incredibly fond of Anglo-saxon and proud of his Anglo-saxon ancestry.
You are a disgusting liar.
>believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur
Huh i never said this.
>Angles and Saxones living in England
Yea so their english and the tales of Arthur are about the cultures of england.
I never said he wasn't proud of his anglo saxon ancestry.
I'm just saying that pointing at runes in the fantasy genre and saying their anglo saxon is pretty stupid because runes are just generally a germanic thing. Frick even warhammer fantasy dwarves have the meme viking wings.
>Angles and Saxones
>What you seem to be saying is you believe Anglo-saxon is a fantasy term from King Arthur,
You are either a pajeet or an ai.
Stop lying you schrizophrenic dumb frick we can see your posts
>runes
Doesn't matter he explicitly said in his letters Dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes.
>The anglo saxons that are commonly though of in fantasy are the ones from the tales about king Arthur of which tolkien also wrote a book about.
>tolkein wrote about king arthur and for some reason think that fantasy = history
These are your nonsensical moronic posts, you poltards are mentally ill.
Anglo Saxons were not suebian, moron
yes they were moron
Tacitus[edit]
The map shows both the Anglia (Angeln) and the Schwansen peninsulas
Possible locations of the Angles and Jutes before their migration to Britain
The earliest known mention of the Angles may be in chapter 40 of Tacitus's Germania written around AD 98. Tacitus describes the "Anglii" as one of the more remote Suebic tribes compared to the Semnones and Langobardi, who lived on the Elbe and were better known to the Romans.
yes they are you moron
Ptolemy[edit]
Ptolemy, writing in around AD 150, in his atlas Geography (2.10), describes them in a confusing manner. In one passage, the Sueboi Angeilloi (in Greek equivalent to Latin spelling Suevi Angili),
you have a really distorted perception of history, fact and fantasy.
Nothing you are saying is making any sense.
Tolkien himself used israelites as one of the themes for his dwarfs and didn't try to hide that, it's not controversial. Even their language is semitic-inspired (unlike say the Elf languages and Rohirric).
>I think poorly of the broadcast adaptations. Except for a few details I think they are not well
>done, even granted the script and the legitimacy of the enterprise (which I do not grant). But they
>took some trouble with the names. I thought that the Dwarf (Glóin not Gimli, but I suppose Gimli
>will look like his father – apparently someone's idea of a German) was not too bad, if a bit
>exaggerated. I do think of the 'Dwarves' like israelites: at once native and alien in their habitations,
>speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongu
he also said he didn't intend them to literally be seen as israelites.
he means they have their own language and culture but use local names
Yeah, Tolkien disliked direct analogues between rl and his stories so he avoided them.
Allegories, not analogues
His book isn't a secret commentary on the atom bomb or the world war etc
Are you trying to articulate you think LotR was based on King Arthur? i can't work out what you are trying to say because you are so bad at English and conveying your point.
>i can't work out what you are trying to say because you are so bad at English and conveying your point
lmfao, i think that may be due to you either not being very smart or your ESL and just projecting. Its pretty straight forward.
Your point is nonsensical, you are just bringing up random shit that has nothing to do with Anglo-saxon themed dwarves.
You have dunning-kruger.
why are you blending all the topics together like this? Are you sure your okay?
are you legit mentally ill?
pretty sure you are
Ok i'll accept that as a concession you are severely sick in the head
glad you can admit it through projection about being wrong, must suck having to do all these mental gymnastics when everything you say is wrong.
Wrong about what?
>Wrong about what?
reading comprehension zero, reread it again, I believe in you!
can't say can you, c**t?
sorry but that isn't even proper english, good try though 😀
>Dwarves are already un popular in generic fantasy
What alternate timeline did you shift in from?
>Dwarves are already un popular in generic fantasy
>Space Dwarfs
>Wants them without beer
>Wants them without beards
>Wants them without Axes
>Wants them without hammers
>Wants them without forges
Don't really know what you are expecting from space dwarves
honestly I thought they were bring squats back till i searched the image and got let down 🙁
They are bringing squats back genius, the OP image is one of them
I HATE OSL I HATE OSL I HATE OSL
Can you teach me how to be this based, basederino kid?
It isn't nearly as good as any forgefather model anon and those are at least ten years old, it looks like some very mediocre kickstarter mini and bears no resemblance to any of the other squat stuff past or present
Looks more Doom than Starcraft
Heh, my first thought too
JACKED UP AND GOOD TO GO
YOU WANNA PIECE OF ME BOY
GIMME SOMETHING TO SHOOT
OUTSTANDING
ROCK AND ROLL
I swear to god if GW releases a Tyranids vs Spesh Dwarves starter box I'll buy 3 of em.
Luv me some starcraft.
GW should just theme a release after this cinematic lel
Squad or two of basic spesh dwarfs, plus these new exosuits vs a bunch of gaunts, raveners and warriors set on a space station themed board that comes with the box.
I'd buy that box.
it's called space hulk, yo
Space Hulk is way too pompous and overblown and has none of the raw character of Starcraft Marines, though.
>When Catachans board a space hulk.
>We want the audience of the game that stole from us.
this warhammer 40k predates starcraft, blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop; those two games became Starcraft and Warcraft. Not to say that Starcraft and Warcraft don't have merit, but they took inspiration off of the Warhammer IP much like how all fantasy takes from Lord of the Rings or sci-fi takes from Dune.
And now the ouroboros eats its tail.
yes, the kali yuga turns, and with each turn everything looses its luster and becomes a lesser form of its earlier years till it dissolves and is then reborn.
>blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop; those two games became Starcraft and Warcraft.
False
>blizzard even had the rights to make both a 40k game and a fantasy game but had the rights yanked from them last minute by Games Workshop
This never happened. Blizzard opted to pursue their own IPs before they even started working on Warcraft, moron.
exactly what I thought. Except these models look like shit-
nu40k looks all the fricking same every race is just merging into one similar design.
fricking pathetic and sad
Everyone will be space marines and you'll like it
>Space Marines are the most successful and best selling faction
>other factions don't sell anywhere near as well as marines
>turn everyone else into space marines
>now everyone is as successful as space marines
>rake in the profit
I see nothing wrong with this.
>pic
How does he even live with such small head?
Don't worry Anon, he has an Angle.
>Captcha: HWT JPG
Yep, just like a space marine
Give it bigger pauldrons and it could function as a tech-marine
Let me guess, according to lore, they will kick the shit out of some SM chapter?
I think it will be or Black Templars, or Raven Guard, last ones are the big masters in such matters.
Heh, I think they just didn't bother to make something different. Both this and the SC marine are fairly generic power armors with an astronaut helmet tacked on. The similarities are due to laziness and using the same design sources, not intentional.
A couple of people in the process must have noticed and perhaps even voiced the resemblance to Starcraft, but marketing/managers either didn't care or thought that was a plus.
This seems about, hmm, -5.7 in the SOUL! scale? Worse than Resident Evil: Retribution but better than The Fate of the Furious.
Don't forget we're at a point where the newer guys are coming through, and their influences are going to be less 2000AD and more ... well, Blizzard (et al) because that's what their teenage years were spent with.
Point taken. But given the generic genericness of the design, they could have made a better job if that was the case? The whole thing still says "don't care enough to make any effort" to me. Even the details are generic, colors, extra plating, sorta "runes".
For example, the Leo mobile suits of Gundam Wing were simpler, but had a certain character and looked like something practical. This one manages to not look like anything really.
You are probably right, just voicing my feelings here. People complain about Tau mechas being "anime", I fricking wish they actually were. They are boring.
Perfectly understood. I think the design brief may also be part of the issue. They can't look too alien as they're "human" (and to be fair always have been) but they have to be recognisably high-tech in comparison to the Imperium. The problem is that this is inevitably going to lead to 'generic sci-fi' as there are only limited ways to pull that off, and many alternatives have already been claimed by other factions (Tau, possibly some of Eldar for the more animeish/'smooth' direction, AdMech the 'retro raygun' option, GSC for 'grimy industrial' and really this is recognisably LOWER tech than the Imperial war machine in general). But they also have to be 'dwarfs in space' which using Fantasy language implies a degree of heft and 'chunk', so that again rules out a number of design paths, like those Leo's (I agree they're a nice design, but I personally don't get 'dwarf' from them).
Makes sense. I don't have a solution, just think that it seems difficult but doable if, again, they made an effort.
Sorry for not being clear, I didn't mean the Leo should be a "dwarfy" design, just meant it as an example that "simple" and "generic" aren't the same thing.
I wish. Tau are Star Wars rip-offs. Their tech design is stolen from the Trade Federation. Hell, they even LOOK like Nemoidians.
My favorite part about squotanns is that they get /tg/ so fricking assmad that each new announcement is accompanied by like twenty of threads of analpain
I wasn't fricking ready holy shit.
Only issue I really have is that this will be in no way worth the cost just like all GW products.
How much do you think? Like £40?
That sounds right.
For 3, if we are lucky
Why does everyone in 40k walk on their tip toes now? Are they pretending they're wearing high heels?
Often times with figurines, they can look lifeless in their posings. So they try to place the figurines in movement or holding a pose that obviously can't be maintained, so as to make them seem more animated or vivacious. Sometimes in capturing the likeness of a humanoid mid stride or about to take a step appears like a person on their tiptoes.
We've had multiple art movements since antiquity focused on getting vivacious poses into statues.
What helps it feel alive isn't so much capturing motion, but capturing weight.
It's a bunch of little things, like how the shoulders sit, the posture, one leg being favoured over the other, the clothing, the asymmetry, etc.
Little things GW doesn't want to bother with, even with CAD allowing them to theoretically get that shit much more easily than if they were carving masters at a similar scale.
Weren't the analogue masters made in 3:1 scale and then translated in mould-making into smaller, final form?
Some were, but artistry in stance shows even at the very low level. Foot-high bronzes can have better weight that full-sizes ones if they're sculpted by someone who has a sense of the... kinetics involved in even a neutral, stable stance.
The obvious downside to this is that the strength of the Space Marine line of yore, almost across all versions of the Marines including Chaos, was that swapping out bits was extremely easy because just about everything fit together in the same way. This made it very easy to create new and interesting models by taking the bits from 2-3 boxes and make your own guys. With the more dynamic models the bits often fit together in only one way on one particular model, so if you want to combine stuff you either have to break out the modelling kit or you're shit outta luck.
That's a very long winded way to say "Because they are badly sculpted." but good effort I suppose.
You notice it NOW?
>called hammerfall bunker
>can't hammer, fall, or bunker
bravo geedubs
Let’s burn.
the armor is dope with the exception of these moronic heads and that weird stick thing that you glue onto what is presumably supposed to be the leader.
Hopefully i can throw out all these heads and replace them with cool 3rd party ones.
>another Leagues of Votann
Kino
>namegays
Posts disregarded.
If it weren't for these damn neural implants, you'd be a smoking crater by now
Hell. It's about time.
THEY HAVE NO BEARDS
HOW DO YOU FRICK UP THAT BADLY
Anon you can't see their chins in any of the photos shown
Firstly, they have lots of other models with no beards
Secondly, beards are a key part of any dwarf race, making a model without them/cant see them/they're not illustrated through helmets is a failure. You knife earred git.
hell yeah brother
Rock and stone
A
You say it like its a bad thing?
SC marines are objecively one of the best sci-fi designs in gaming, it's nice to see models based on that, even if they are space brits.
Why not just get actual minis modelled after starcraft men? Is it so you can play in a GW store and pretend you have starcraft men? It can't be to attend GW events because every good tabletop player knows any sense of competition is wrong.
>Early Anglo-Saxon society attached great significance to the horse; a horse may have been an acquaintance of the god Woden, and/or they may have been (according to Tacitus) confidants of the gods. Horses were closely associated with gods, especially Odin and Freyr. Horses played a central role in funerary practices as well as in other rituals.[158] Horses were prominent symbols of fertility, and there were many horse fertility cults. The rituals associated with these include horse fights, burials, consumption of horse meat, and horse sacrifice.[159] Hengist and Horsa, the mythical ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons, were associated with horses,[160] and references to horses are found throughout Anglo-Saxon literature.[161]
>according to Tacitus
>the man that did not speak to the early celts at all
>mfw using "anglo-saxon" before the saxons actually came around 450 BC and Tacitus visited Britannia at some time around 60 to 77 BC (I can't remember)
they aren't even anglo-saxon, dwarves in tolkien were inspired off of Scandinavian dwarfs and he just remixed them up a bit. Some people like to draw parallels with israelites or other greedy types of people, but in context of LOTRs they are kinda a mythical creature like a Scandinavian troll was (read troll as witch).
they are Anglo-saxon everything is Anglo-saxon in LotR
>Scandinavian
What do you think Anglo-saxon culture was derived from.
The runes you complain about in LotR the dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes
>according to Tacitus
>the man that did not speak to the early celts at all
wtf are you saying? are you that mentally ill french dickweed?
>The runes you complain about in LotR the dwarves use Anglo-saxon runes
not that anon
>wtf are you saying? are you that mentally ill french dickweed?
if you didn't know that tacitus is someone to read with a grain of salt you don't seem to know Tacitus that well
yes he wrote Germania but how do you know if its true it literally we only have 1 source? Did you know that roman translators tended to be so awful that they preferred foreign interpreters?
Frick off you mentally ill french c**t. Your posts don't even make sense
>Frick off you mentally ill french c**t. Your posts don't even make sense
>If I see only 1 source I agree with then its right
i don't think i'm the mentally ill one here, study history more.
mentally ill moron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germania_(book)
But 60 BC is after 450 BC, anon
So the black dwarves are culturally appropriating anglo culture
I'm not going to deny that they're generic as frick, but I like these models. A little. Not that it matters, absent so major change I'm not going to be buying any GW products
Why didn't GW just use Age of Sigmar Space Dwarves? Kharadron Overlords? Hell they could keep the aesthetics and give them high tech equipment. That way the League can do the Imperium better than the Imperium by using older shit that is stronger than current nu shit.
>That way the League can do the Imperium better than the Imperium by using older shit that is stronger than current nu shit.
Thats what they are doing. It's just old human tech looks like 50's sci fi robby the robot shit, as they've shown multiple times before announcing nu squats.
You would've thought DRG would've shown them proper space dwarves like the ones they actually had a few decades ago would play really well with the kind of audience they're trying to court.
>tolkien invented the archetypal dwarves
>was a professor and expert of Anglo-saxon culture
>moron: um Arthur durr!
>what?
>excuse me?
Mentally ill esls should be allowed on English sites.
>provides no proof that he is right
seething esls
what proof? of what? come on esl
>says the esl
for someone who makes a lot of assumptions you sure to get a lot wrong... oh... wait...
Wrong about what? why can't you say?
>assumptions
say the guy that started sperging about arthur abd claiming the other anon thought arthur was real. When he didn't even mention it.
>say the guy that started sperging about arthur abd claiming the other anon thought arthur was real. When he didn't even mention it.
all i said was that tolkien wrote about arthur and liked it, again take your meds
what has this got to do with the conversation dunning-kruger?
>liked it
he didn't, he said this in his letters
if you can't string it together yourself when its obvious then no point in wasting my breath.
are you irish? can you answer honestly?
So we have
:
Empire: Guard
Ogres: Ogryns
Halflings: Rattlings
Beastmen: Beastmen
Bretonnia: Marines (heraldry and elite soldiers supported by serfs)
High Elves: Aeldari
Dark Elves: Drukari
Wood Elves: Exodites
Tomb Kings: Necrons
Orcs: Orks
Goblins: Grots
Dwarves: Votann/Squat
Chaos Warriors: Chaos Marines
Chaos Marauders: Chaos Cultists
Skaven: Adeptus Mechanicus
>if It's bulky power armour that means It's starcraft
Better
Guys the new 40k models looks like the thing that copied 40k!
>copied 40k
Hardly. More like it draw from the same well. If you want to look at actual 40k copycats, there are better options.
>>we want the starcraft audience
and that's why I'm excited. They already made a vulture bike, so I'm looking forward to the siege tank
Where is Kerrigan?
That's zerg, not Terran.
Unless you mean the ghost form, but I guess we'd have to wait.
I'd rather just want the mainline units anyway. Siege tanks, goliaths/cyclone, and maybe a derpy plane that could be a viking or a wraith.
Full circle. I still will play these new Squats.
Dwarfs are Egyptian.
Egyptian Dwarves were monkeys.
You want a piece of me, boy?
it's my opinion that GW lost that special design magic that made their original designs so memorable. I've no major issues with these fantasy-esque squats, but recent designs have felt very passe and would have struggled to look cool 10 years ago, and lack all the timelessness a regular old space marine has.
How long until GW gives nids a Kerrigan character?