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Game, Star Trek, good.
*bio neural gel pack explodes*
you'll play elite force.
I want a game where you captain a Miranda-class during the DS9/Voyager era, doing milk runs in backwater systems, with a crew of misfits and failures that Starfleet doesn't want to court martial for various reasons, like progeny of admiralty or species relations or whatever. The ship's in a state of constant disrepair, exposed wires, malfunctioning systems, always getting kicked to the back of the line for starports and service, having to scrape by on side-missions that aren't Starfleet sanctioned. Branching path would be an offer to join the Maquis, accepting eventually leads to a showdown where you sacrifice your ship to let a Maquis fleet escape, hailed as a folk hero amongst the survivors. Turning them down leads to an ending where you end up responding to a distress signal from a colony, only to find a ship drastically your superior on an intercept course, threatening to wipe them out, and after a heated battle you are given the option to retreat, killing the colonists and returning to obscurity, or to keep fighting on, leading to the (extremely detailed) destruction of your ship, but that buys Starfleet enough time that when their ship finally jumps into range of the colony, there are multiple Galaxy class ships there that immediately annihilate it, and your crew are hailed as true heroes of Starfleet and paragons of the virtues it holds, with a massive memorial service and eulogy given by <insert your favorite trek show character here>.
If I had an obnoxious amount of money, there'd be many anons here whose games I'd fund.
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one Raktajino and one of your finest cardassian prostitutes please
I would like a cellular peptide cake. With mint frosting.
Its really the mint that drove them away from the ship.
i have here with me, one amazing relic from the 21st century earth, halo 2 limited edition which can be all yours for four bars
forgot the image because i'm moronic
Hey nog can you spot me some latinum, by the way you shouldn't have money we've evolved beyond that, but if you don't give me some you're not a real friend.
Childhood is thinking the federation is based.
Adulthood is realizing it's a cringe fantasy.
>Adulthood is realizing it's a cringe fantasy
DS9 agrees with you.
>you're supposed to agree with the evil greedy alien and the ex torturer about how the federation are secretly evil
Anon....
Explain how they're wrong.
The show doesn't agree with their assessment of it as negative.
Quark LIKES root beer. He calls it vile and insidious because he doesn't like having his mind changed. He doesn't like that he secretly likes the federation.
They're not wrong, but also they're not saying the Federation is evil. It's just unsettlingly persuasive just by nature.
He pretty heavily implies they do that on purpose when other races don't bother. They do it as a vector of attack into your culture knowingly.
It's a smart appraisal from a shrewd salesman and is spot on the money in reality.
I think it's more a statement about the nature of the Federation. They're not doing this as a means of cultural subversion. They're not specifically aiming to be the nicest guys around. That's just what the Federation is.
When your product is peace and prosperity, the only advertising campaign you need is to let people get a taste.
>They're not doing this as a means of cultural subversion.
They actually are doing it as subversion though. Once you have that taste they start changing your culture to be like them. It is intentionally slow. There is definitely a timing and selection element to who the federation helps, why, and when. It is always to help the federation in the long run.
The federation is good, and quark is right.
I know.
>I know
Ms. Lady? Are you shitposting on Ganker? I thought you were asleep.
I'm fricking with you.
a portion of Ganker makes up cytube/trektube there are good odds people in this thread have talked to each other before off site
I was going to say, my wife was watching a Hallmark movie before falling asleep.
The point of the root beer conversation is that the Federation is so damn nice that even if you fundamentally oppose their beliefs (as Quark and Garak do), it's hard to sit there and spite them forever when you're surrounded by all that cloying niceness and positivity. It's like if globohomosexual was entirely genuine.
>10 bars of gold pressed latinum for a ps3 and one game
>one game
Nice try.
such a deep cutscene
xbox gamepass must have been invented by the ferengi.
>~7 months of PC gamepass for the price of one AAA game
yeah anon, super ferengi-like
if it was a ferengi invention it would be like, billed per minute played or something
stadia ?
I dunno actually
even stadias not awful (I got gifted it a long time ago for christmas by a guy who didn't know a lot about games, and when it shut down they actually refunded all your games), its a dogshit service but you buy the game and you ""own"" it, at least as much as you can own a streamable game
maybe that hypothetical game the EA CEO was talking about where they charged the player per-bullet
I am looking to acquire a Miranda class light cruiser. I trust you can put me in touch with the right people.
>game has a worthless party member
first of all she killed billions
Six hours in the holodeck with the Vulcan Love Slave 5 program and one barrel of blood wine.
Ezri will be along shortly to join me but she may seem different than usual.
Safeties off
I think of myself as the Riker of the thread. You guys are all Wesley.
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>ywn get a star trek game where you dig your thumbs into the little shits eyes while screaming in his face
I grew up watching Star Trek and had no idea people hated Wesley so much till I played a mud and the tutorial had you kill a bunch of him. It wasn’t even a futuristic setting.
Go back and rewatch season1 and 2, the crew was grooming and molesting him.
There's even an episode about riker having a "special relationship with the boy."
Shit is really creepy in rewatches it is like every third episode is a wesley pov about someone trying to abduct him because he is a "special boy."
Indigo child shit dialed to 11. Which was just pedos grooming.
Hes was the most clearly defined marty-stu of his generation, genes own personal vicarious fanboy self insert. I just finished rewatching and just seeing him do anything but work a console meant the episode was "wesley fixes it, usually inadvertantly by making a mistake that turns out to actually be an amazing discovery." Add to that hes a weasel stool pigeon.
Imagine how much better the character would have been if most of the crew resented him and he actually earned his place through boldness, suffering and loss. We could have had a young picard actually fighting for approval and escaping from his moms skirt, instead of jarjar oopsie i fixed da warp core crusher.
Im not mad at him, just mad he basically ruined the writing for half a season worth of episodes.
Archer and that Asian chick from enterprise were even more Mary-Stues
i'd like to think i'm more of a barclay
Tom Riker btw
I am more of a Garak myself. Gay, condescending, and insufferably smug.
Are you also prepared to commit genocide for your people?
I didn't notice how gay these two were my first watch probably because they're both hooked up with women at different times but boy do they have sexual tension.
Even the actors tiptoe around it. Garak's actor straight up says he played it as if Garak was always gay.
But then it becomes an always gay older man constantly hitting on a younger, much more straight presenting man and becomes sort of predatory.
Oh for frick's sake even the horny old queens can't get away from this sissy pearl-clutching shit now. You're the reason why nothing is fun anymore.
Look at the dynamic over 9 seasons it was always Garak playing grooming games.
They made him a tailor for a reason and it wasn't for tinker tailor soldier spy references. He "grooms" people for a living. When garak gets upset he says he's going to his shop to toil. That is him going back into his closet in shame.
It was always an inside joke the show was openly flaunting anon.
I always thought he was just flamboyant as a strategy.
>O'Brien must suffer
This was way overused.
The flamboyant happy stuff was part of his act, but he was at least bi, I'm pretty sure one of the books established that.
garek had a female love interest
I am more of an O’Brien man myself. Irish, drunk, beaten down, and vehemently racist despite being obsessed with b***hy Asian women.
You now realize that any redshirt who survives x-number of away missions aren't good, or lucky, they just have quantum immortality.
Look at how he says he got into transporters: Spoonheads were closing on their position, they had 5 minutes, and he just figured it out.
Dathon at El-Adrel; the gosling, under purple lighting!
Wiseau gazing down, Gosling frown.
Thomas Riker maybe, you look like a mistake. I'm the wesley that was banging Ashley Judd you guys can claim other episodes.
Sorry to the pie eating wesley you never stood a chance.
You are the little Wesley and I am the big Picard. Engage.
I am chadley
Tell me about your genitals.
Is this the single worst episode of old trek? I think it might be
I still awkwardly do the ending monologue to make fun of troons
>we do the things you do...
im barkley
I'm so sorry
I'm holographic Moriarty, but I'm free. The fine ass countess vegana is with me.
Honestly them trapping him in another simulated reality that is indistinguishable from the real reality where they can live out their days is kind of fricked up.
He's a sentient holodeck program by accident. It was a mercy they didn't just delete him once they had the situation under control.
Is it? Or should we all wish to be so lucky?
I'm aware I'm in a chinese room experiment, I just like it in here.
I mean I guess in the grand scheme of things if he never realizes it is it any different from our reality? I guess it would depend on how stable the program is. It's the Matrix issue honestly.
You aren't really far off. In all the fricked up things that happen in trek picard doing that to him as a solution is brought up in canon and by fans a ton as a wtf moment.
It's like seeing spock act like he's on cocaine for the menagerie. It makes no fricking sense at all given the world building, but it happened.
If the simulation ever suffers malfunction he will never be able to correct it or call for help. How often is someone going to check on the stability of his virtual reality and how many decades is that within that reality? In days he could experience years, even minor bugs could result in him having a horrific experience seemingly without end.
The honest answer is no one cares, and that is what they show in the show.
It gets brought up in Picard. No one cared or pretended to really care.
No but Moriarty from Sherlock Holmes running Section 31 in the 2300s sounds like it would be really cool.
Oh I misunderstood I thought maybe there was some what if novel or something that existed.
Yeah that's what is kind of scary, if he started experiencing these bugs and tried to get help within the confines of the simulation would he just be written off as insane? Would he be committed or could he somehow convince the program that what he is seeing is real, assuming it as advanced enough to properly simulate an entire universe. It sounds like hell.
He manages to hack the enterprise to take control. He's a smart guy if it malfunctions he'll realize he was tricked again and take control.
>she's actually in the yellow
It's been like 20 years that episode must have fricked me up.
>take control
Of what? He got control of the Enterprise because of shenanigans involving him being connected to the main computer the first time and conning Picard into giving him the command codes the second. There's nothing like that inside a wholly virtual reality cut off from everything else. There's nowhere to go, nothing to do in an isolated box.
>He manages to hack the enterprise to take control. He's a smart guy if it malfunctions he'll realize he was tricked again and take control.
I like to imagine he both escapes and brings the Countess Regina with him and they just frick off into the cosmos.
Well he's a sentient AI, so he'd probably be kept somewhere for study. And presumably the system is reasonably sturdy. Also who knows how long he's going to run for. As far as he's aware, he's a real human, so it might simulate him aging and dying for the sake of maintaining the illusion. Then I guess it just shuts off?
Though more pertinent in my mind is that his existence raises the question of what the frick is so special about Data when the holodeck can seemingly shit out a sentient AI with the right prompting.
>Then I guess it just shuts off?
Then they start using him to mine asteroids.
>did you know I ran a dice game in the academy, and I know all the martial arts, and all the languages, and this one time...
Her shit got old fast
>I can "hack" this locked keypad because I'm a linguistic genius and math is just another language!
>these 2000 IQ aliens need MY help to decipher this code!
Archer was at least a somewhat wholesome character despite everyone sucking his dick like he was Jesus in the show.
Archer clicked for me when I realized he was paralyzed by the burden of how he'd be remembered and was aware of it. Still really boring a severely gay coded with the water polo stuff, but his character made sense in a responsible adult way.
>what the frick is so special about Data
A supercomputer brain on par with the Enterprise's own and the Computer being asked to create something that's capable of outwitting them both
It's the inadvertant Singularity. A computer designing something better than itself.
Fair enough, Data's capabilities are special. But they do put a lot of weight on his sentience, which Moriarity shows to not be so unique.
There is a reality where they let him go for real and he shows up in DS9 in Sloan's spot.
Really?
Another 10/10
Two hours in Holosuite 3, with my custom program mixing an old Earth all-you-can-eat-buffet and a Playstation emulator with Um Jammer Lammy loaded.
For me, it's the tomboy character.
>data fricked this
More like she fricked Data.
a great many people fricked that
Really wish she didn't left the show. Worf is cool, but I still wanted my blondie tomboy.
First season was so bad, all of the actors were gonna walk unless Roddenberry was ousted. Forcing him out and having Whoopi Goldberg coming on helped restore confidence in the production.
I feel kind of bad for Crosby, it seems like it wasn't just her who had a rough time off camera in season 1, of course it's her decision to leave but yeah imagine missing out on being in TNG.
From rape gangs to Romulan rape baby
Supeior tomboy and even had an autistic male love interest I could self-insert into
Mirror Kira is hotter. Way hotter.
*dies*
>literally quit TNG because she didn't have faith in the show and ended up being a D-list celebrity since in shitty 1-off TV appearances
KWAB
whats the best star trek game?
Starfleet Command: Gold edition
A copy of Total Worfhammer 2. You still have DLC codes for the Battle of Wolf 359?
Why are you buying that slop? True Klingons bring glory to their house in Total War: Kahless.
Total War: Kahless does not have the Duras Sisters LL.
Literally what happens when I play. I don't even know wtf a Mr. House is.
>it's fricking cold out
>got my pasta ready
>got my hot chocolate ready
>have DS9 on the TV (on DVD, of course)
>have my Sisko action figure on standby (bald and bearded, of course)
Yeah, we comfy here
If you want a laugh, skip to 1:58.
>plowing a pent up janeway on the ships prominade
One copy of Ba'leths & Bihnuchs with the Gowron expansion, please. I'd also like to buy one of the model kits of the Voyager.
>say word
>mind stolen
WOOOOOW
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and remember that there are no good Star Trek games and my day will be ruined.
Brb, loading GoG Galaxy.
Is there even a way to play Klingon Academy in this modern age?
Yes. Buy the version from GoG.
I don't see one. Am I moronic?
No I am. They have a section for it, but its not purchasable.
My Abandonware has iso's. No idea what you would need to do to get them working.
>it's a Lwaxana episode
utterly kino
Would.
Worf was Urkel before Urkel
Would
Enjoy your bajoran space stds
Would, a thousand times would.
Worf won't pay child support
The ironiy is worf would a lwaxana even though the woman that played the OP vulcan is the woman that played Alexander's mother.
Worf is still making the right choice.
He doesn't have to. His adoptive parents do the work.
It was fun until it didn't go anywhere.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Little_Green_Men_(episode)
Pulaski was actually pretty fun.
>Pulaski was actually pretty fun.
Her TOS roles are still my top trek waifus. She played 2 roles and they are both in my top 5 trekfus.
She was gorgeous back in the day. I'd bust her box up.
What did she play in TOS?
This absolute unit and the blind woman that was travelling with the medusans
Wow! She looks great!
Jesus christ good taste
Way better with hair down.
TOS women are built different.
No TOS androids are built. Women are born. Do you even watch the show?
Adria was built for sex and sex only. But not with Ruk. With me.
Wow i loved the brady bunch too
She played the redshirt who gets possessed by one of the alien spheres in Return to Tomorrow
I hated her DS9 appearances. The actress being old and sad and having that be a meta story to tell is not interesting.
Olds accepting they are olds is sad shit, and Lwaxana was never going to be an old woman. it was shit but lots of DS9 was shit.
It amazes me how many people act like DS9 was some grandiose tale for the ages.
The tonal whiplash from episode to episode was absolutely insane, and the mellow drama in most of them was so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Story arcs were a new thing at the time. Bab 5 did it better.
They just aren't familiar with rabbinical teachings. If you've been exposed to israeli nonsense like Ganker has ds9 becomes very blase. It is like seeing the wizard behind the curtain in wizard of oz.
Now that history has laid bare how ds9 became a thing it is sort of a joke of a show.
At the end of ds9's timeline track all the pivotal moments of the klingon empire for the last 100 years.
How many of them had a worf? All of them? Yeah.
>people act like DS9 was some grandiose tale for the ages
I've seen lots of people say it was their favorite trek but I've never seen anyone with this particular opinion. It just had really good episodes and not too many bad ones, simple as.
I've seen people bring up it being "bold" to have a full scale war in star trek.
It was also "bold" to have the federation/klingon war by having the federation rig k'ro'nos' core with a fricking quantum bomb in discovery.
Are we equating DS9 with Discovery now?
>having the federation rig k'ro'nos' core with a fricking quantum bomb in discovery.
>acknowledging discovery at all
I'm sorry.
>discovery.
i also found ds9's characters to be the best
It's funny how many Gankerers fell for this guy even when he comes out tells you the kinda of person he is (and I mean before Waltz and s7).
>The tonal whiplash from episode to episode was absolutely insane, and the mellow drama in most of them was so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Yeah, it's Star Trek
>9 episodes deep into the late season war unfolding
>holodeck episode about baseball or... Benny
I'm just saying Star Trek is a lot of things to a lot of people lol. DS9 is when it stopped being star trek in function. That is when they took the viewpoint that the federation is insidious and needs to be deconstructed. As a lifelong trek fan you don't do that, the federation is an ideal to aspire to. Unironically, DS9 is what clued me into the JQ young me couldn't understand how or why the writers of a trek show would shit on the federation so hard. I later found out why.
why please tell me. I hate DS9 and I'm close to figuring out why
Besides bad acting and no chemistry besides Quark and Odo being the ONLY good actors in the whole show.
Because the writers were very comopolitan israelites. If you sense heavy deconstruction it is probably israelites.
Adult me can appreciate every faction involved with Bajor being a different brand of semite having a proxy war over space Jerusalem, but it makes for a terrible space show about diplomacy.
>Quark and Odo being the ONLY good actors
Hey frick you
>tfw had a crush on him when I was a kid
Nog never trusting him after Empok Nor was good writing. Him getting it was also good writing.
Nah it's because he's gay and has a chip in his brain feeding him gay happy feelings like a partyboy on his dose, constantly. And he overclocks it for funsies.
Did you notice a personality change after Bashir disabled it? I don't think he did.
Dis homie had a chip in his brain? What episode?
Don't know the name. He cranks the bad boy every time he feels cold, and it's ever so cold on the station.
Canonically, he was high 26 hours a day for years on end.
Season 2 Episode 22 "The Wire"
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Wire_(episode)
Ty anon.
they gave him to bashir because his character was so fricking boring.
I did enjoy Garak though sorry I forgot and frick you.
Early Benjamin was good when he hated Starfleet and still resented DS9, but his tone is all over the fricking shop in the later seasons and he hams it up more than fricking Shatner did sometimes
You could say that DS9 introduced cynical ideas that nu-Trek would eventually take too far, but DS9 itself still holds the Federation as far and away the most moral faction in the setting. No matter how much they question the Federation, they're still the good guys at the end of the day.
Isn't DS9 were the section 31 crap came from?
Yes but the entire climax of the show is ruining their plans to kill the Changelings
Sloan is the only good part of S31.
>the charter lets us do literally anything we want
so stupid.
>Post-DS9 writers didn't really like DS9 for years
>but everyone used Section 31 because it was super cool and edgy starfleet
S31 was mistake and it was a dumb reason to pull Bashir into the on-going plot. Sloan's motivations didn't really make sense (constantly antagonizing Bashir despite wanting him to join S31) and was only saved by Sadler's acting.
>Sloan's motivations didn't really make sense (constantly antagonizing Bashir despite wanting him to join S31) and was only saved by Sadler's acting.
Sloan was S31 and Bashir was going to be his successor. The tests were to see if Bashir was psychopathic enough to take up the mantle.
31 was fine since it made the Federation interesting for a damn change. We see all the captains do shit that should be illegal or against their directives all the time, but pretend they are holier than thou saints. At least 31 knew it was evil
I feel like there didn't need to be a section of Starfleet dedicated to being evil when there's been a long-running list of evil Admirals and Captains across the franchise that you could just give the role to.
The difference is that section 31 did things that actually made sense instead of things that were completely fricking moronic
the Bad-mirals were always moronic or changlings
at least made sense
I agree. I even think quark's rootbeer monologue is a perfect summation of it. But that is where it should have stayed instead of being peppered in every episode and coming from every angle.
Quark being a good stand in for how aliens that aren't pro-federation can see it, and Jake can not want to be in the federation like his dad.
That would have sold it without it turning into a rabbinical lecture.
Yeah because DS9 was supposed to test the morals of the Federation and see if they could really maintain their ideals in the face of Total War, and they mostly did.
>>9 episodes deep into the late season war unfolding
episode about baseball or... Benny
Yes, it's time for kino.
We used to go apeshit when the it was real monologue starts on trektube.
Once you see it the entire series (ds9) is israeli themed. It is literally rabbis lecturing you on the israeli/palastinian conflict.
>Once you see it the entire series (ds9) is israeli themed. It is literally rabbis lecturing you on the israeli/palastinian conflict.
Frick, I can't believe it missed this the first run though. granted it has been years and I never really cared about the Muzzies or the Hebs when I was that age.
DS9 is an intensly anti-israeli series. Almost all of the major races and factions are israeli stereotypes. All the major plots are, "what if all the things people on the far right said about israelites and the modern geopolitics were literally true?" In particular, I don't think I could come up with a more aggressive and comprehensive condemnation of israelites than the changlings if I tried.
Not quite. They are using a frontwards facing "critique" to offer a pro-israeli answer to your cultural ills.
The show was a proxy for the Israeli/Palastine conflict in the open if you are aware of it. It is written by israeli people using fiction to portray and ethnic war that isn't relelvant in the west at all, but they can make it relevant in the west via their fictional show.
It's like how a israelite will always want to play mediator in a debate. it isn't an accident that they want to take that role when given the choice.
Why would the israelites offer as a solution to the israeli/palestinian conflict the total withdrawl of Israeli claims of legal dominion?
The show was just familiarizing western people with israeli culture because at the time that was only confined to NYC and Hollywood.
When all sides are stand ins for israeli subgroups, maybe the point of the show is to show you israeli subgroups first and foremost.
But all the israeli things shown were all negative. Frick, the founders were breeding drug addicted golem soldiers and employing sycophantic shabbos goyim. I still have no idea how they didn't realize what they were writing.
>But all the israeli things shown were all negative.
israeliness is negative.
No lol, the Bajorans were the moderate westernized semites, that is why they win and their faction is pro-federation. The Cardies were palis that is why they were anti-federation. Bajorans ate hasperat anon, it is just hummus even made from a space chickpea like hummus is made from chickpeas.
Federation is just white culture.
>The Cardies were palis
They have nothing in common.
they are the other faction the israelites are fighting irl and the faction the space israelites are fighting in the show.
The show just takes the pro-israeli angle of insisting that this land is our land, which is the overriding argument between the israelis and Palestinians. Land rights.
>they are the other faction the israelites are fighting irl and the faction the space israelites are fighting in the show.
That's not how analogies work. You have to actually draw thematic connections.
They do draw thematic conclusions - the land belongs to Bajor (israel) unequivocally. That is the message the show beats you over the head with to try and shift real world opinion over a heated topic of the day.
Except nothing in the show even slightly alludes to the cardies being like the Palestinians in Israel. In fact all the themes to that effect paint the Bajorans akin to maligned Palestinians.
Umm actually the episode where the one race finally comes to their home planet which is bajor and get rejected had the bajorians playing the role as Israel.
And their ultimate rejection of the alien refugees was portrayed as a failure of character on the part of the Bajorans.
>And their ultimate rejection of the alien refugees was portrayed as a failure of character on the part of the Bajorans.
Yep. Really messed up. They would have really benefited from it.
>I still have no idea how they didn't realize what they were writing.
They knew, obviously. They were banking on themselves ingratiating with western culture to such an extent that you would become them and never question it.
The israelis were framed as the bajorans, the cardassians as the palastinians. It wasn't 1:1 copies down the line but each race was clearly a israeli group of people.
Hasperat is just hummus. Once you realize the little things like that you realize the whole show was just israelites at an airport.
>The israelis were framed as the bajorans, the cardassians as the palastinians
That's a fricking moronic interpretation. The situation was completely opposite
>greedy, hand-wringing turbo-merchants
>MUH SIXTY BAJORILLION, MUH ANCIENT moronic TRADITIONS, MUH SACRED HOLY LAND, MUH CHOSEN PEOPLE screechers
>literal shapeshifting schemers
>fascist settlers
>cloying globohomosexual diversity shills
I finally see
We all have this scene saved and we all name it similarly.
Seriously a 10/10 moment.
that whole episode was great. now do you think Garak actually tapped 10 of his informants, only for them to die, making them go with his plan B?
or do you think he lied, and went with plan B from the start, leaving any potential informants alive and well for him to tap later?
Garak didn't lose a single contact. He even told Sisko to lie about how ten good men died. Even if he did lose somebody it was probably a loose end (like the guy that made the fake).
Plan B was plan A all along because it was the only way to get the Romulans in the war while getting rid of a guy that would have tried to idiotically rally the Romulans to play dead, then try and fight the changelings better.
Worf stopping Garak from nuking the changelings cost the galaxy millions of lives.
Jake calling him a Black person makes the benny episodes worth it.
>The tonal whiplash from episode to episode was absolutely insane
I don't mind a TV show having a wide range of tones, its only a bad thing if theres a multiple episode stretch or a two parter and something breaks the mood.
You should remember that these things broadcasted on a schedule, they weren't just on a list to be watched on netflix or paramount+ or whatever one after the other
SKIP
kino in tng
utter shit in ds9
Quark! I'm here to buy large quantities of illegal weapons. I'll be up in holosuite 3 in the dummy program we use as we discuss our illegal and criminal dealings.
Send up that prostitute Leela.
>Birth control? Illogical, captain.
You know that weird steamy mist hentai has to show the b***h is in heat?
I felt that through the screen on her.
For me it was the vulkan trying to buy weapons from quark for the maquis.
For me it's the holodeck Vulcaness EMH made for Vorik so he could coom to it after getting the pon farr.
Good choice. How did Vorik get off so light but Suter had to go full jesus to get redemption?
Vorik tried raping people, repeatedly.
Vorik was stuck in the delta quadrant and Janeway didn’t have the LUXURY of locking crew away in confinement! Every person counted! Until next week when the number of crew was incorrectly stated again!
female vulcans be like:
>eyeshadow is most logical
>enducing lust in a merchant for a potentially better deal
that sounds pretty Romulan...
It would be, even if you want to play the card about the precursor race seeding the alpha quadrant with DNA, everything on earth is fricking DNA based too and you can't stick your dick in a monkey and get it pregnant (even if we had the same number of chromosomes still).
Shit, if a mother and child have the wrong combination of blood types her body will reject the child in utero, but somehow you can breed with a vulcan who has a completely different anatomy and green blood, probably based on copper. How the frick is that baby viable at all?
Don't overthink it anon, I just want to frick a cold emotionless sex machine vulcaness okay? I also want to rub my dick on bajoran nose ridges while we're at it.
>I also want to rub my dick on bajoran nose ridges
Based
Kira is the hottest star trek character if you ask me
She has the nicest smile too
>if a mother and child have the wrong combination of blood types her body will reject the child in utero
What combinations do that? I can't imagine many or miscarriages would be a much more common occurrence.
Fricking space elves. They even have a dark space elf version of them.
KILL BAJORAN SCUM
THEY WERE CLEAN!
AND WHY WAS THAT, MAJOR?
Are you watching me? I'm on this episode right now. (Bar Association).
Reminder that DS9 is for women and people that wants to watch star trek but doesn't like star trek.
>star slop
t.
Honestly I didn't see what was so wrong with actually having Dukat actually be a moderate Cardassian, as in he didn't treat the Bajorans under his command like sub-humans. Especially when the series had already been going out of its way to point at there were good and bad people on both sides of the Cardassian-Bajoran issue before making him a mustache twirler.
>moderate cardassian goes deep cover to frick the bajoran religious leader
I'd do it too, Kai Winn was hot. I bet she's ratchet in the bed.
He would have been wasted as a moderate. He was born to twirl mustaches and ham it up. The whole I am space satan bit was moronic though.
I mean sure we had some amazing moments with him being pompous and hammy, it just led to a shitty end for the character. I think killing off his daughter was a mistake and only done to justify his "downfall" into Space Satan.
I think killing his daughter could also easily have led to some self-reflection and a sort of "redemption" which they afforded to Damar of all people (the man who killed Dukat's daughter in the first place because she was "making him weak").
He was moderate. The point of Dukat was not that he did the worst shit ever, but that he was fubdamentally evil. Everything he ever did was merely to try to increase his own splendor, to prove that his critics had misjudged him, to be beloved by all. And when he finally came to the conclusion that they never would, he gave up trying to do "good", because, why bother? He didn't become space satan, he was ALWAYS space satan. A man who underwent anti-enlightenment, whose development was to come to understand that his obsession with perception was pointless and self destructive, that only his own will mattered.
>t. Ira Steven Behr
Behr is a gay israelite, he doesn't get the character, but I do. His conflict with Sisko was not about Bajor, a planet neither of them really understood, and lived ABOVE, not UPON. No, their conflict was that of resolution of a fundamental spiritual question. The universe is infinite, time stretches forward and backwards billions of years beyond our reach, nothing we ever do will have meaningful consequence in the grand stage of life. Do you accept this reality, and try to make your one page of history as nice as you can, or reject such an ignoble fate, and demand from the cosmos that your voice be heard, your will satisfied?
I'd become a wormhole aliens so I could impregnate my not-wife traitor with myself.
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong.
>slop trek
ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
THIS IS A REMINDER THAT YES, I DID FRICK NERYS' MOTHER IN VARIOUS POSITIONS AND STYLES FOR HONORS ON END
AND YES, SHE DID SWALLOW
Imagine being married to a woman who is so awful to be around that when a pah'wraith - a being of pure malice - invades her body, you immediately know it's not her because she's being way too nice to you.
Racist 50s FBI Dukat is the best Dukat. It was a shame they had him in cardie makeup all the time the guy had a really kino looking face for tv.
>the documentary where he spends all his time recounting how he kept hitting on nana visitor
>he's sitting on a couch with old man sneakers on telling these stories
>nana was married to Bashir at the time irl
Absolute chad.
>the documentary where he spends all his time recounting how he kept hitting on nana visitor
Is this that "what we left behind"
Yep. He looked so happy in his old man shoes to be talking about the good old days.
I read it in her voice and immediately got horny.
Robinson was always great, he was fricking Scorpio in Dirty Harry.
I never liked the cast of TNG
Riker is a (occasionally entertaining) moron
Data is okay but is frequently the answer to a problem or has the same tired human envy plots (and he lost to Troi in chess lol)
Worf was okay
Both of the Crushers, Troi and Geordi had boring personalities.
And Picard is good because he's the soapbox
My favorite character only got one season. Absolutely gave no fricks.
I really expected her to return
Totally would
Quark was a fricking beast. Making latinum, fricking b***hes, and styling on Odo.
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Remember when Quark got joined up in a weapons smuggling operation that was leading into planetary genocide, so he decided to set up both factions into meeting on the station so they would kill each other and ruin the deal?
Remember when Quark wanted to smuggle some shit and accidentally became the Roswell alien?
I fricking love that episode.
>They irradiated their own planet?
He sells that line perfectly.
I liked the nurse chick and her man hamming it up and being 50s stereotypes.
Everyone fricking smokes in that episode too, terrific
That was bullshit considering they complained about smoking whilst also endorsing "beetle snuff" which is implied at one point to actually damage your hearing (or something, I can't remember)
There's clearly a difference between vices and nuclear tests / weapons.
I was talking about when they were pearl clutching about cigarettes anon
They have equivalent harmful drugs
Not a big mistake and arguably you can just headcanon it as Ferengi hypocrisy
Look you don't need to sell it to me. I already think Quark is based.
Gul Dukat did nothing wrong
Gul Dukat was like a 'moderate' minister of Israel not understanding why Palestinians are still joining terrorist orgs even though he reduced the rate of home seizure for Israeli settlers by 30%.
Dukat saw what was practically a genocide and realized that was terrible, but his solution was to just make sure the forced labor wasn't killing the Bajorans faster than they reproduced.
After what had already happened, there was no reality where Dukat's actions would be accepted by the Bajorans as a good will invitation to a kinder gentler racial domination. The message he sent was the resistance actions were working.
No bureaucrat was ever going to receive a statue erected by Bajorans after the toll the occupation had already wrought. Ending it was already their baseline moral and ethical duty to end a planet-level crime against humanoids.
The only way Dukat would have been recognized as a hero would be if he radio'd a message to all Bajorans to rise up against their captors, rained guns and munitions onto the surface and then fired a quantum torpedo volley into the Cardassian high command.
>Dukat saw what was practically a genocide and realized that was terrible, but his solution was to just make sure the forced labor wasn't killing the Bajorans faster than they reproduced.
Dukat is now officially my favorite psychopath.
He could have also just whipped up some hasperat, that always wins the ridgeheads over.
That or take their beds. They always get big smiles when they talk about sleeping on floors in the show. They make it seem like the occupation was great.
He just needed more time and he would've been able to rehabilitate those superstitious hicks into proper members of the Union. Just a little more time...
He did pretty well for a guy with interdimensional demons against him.
I'm a terrible person for watching in 16x9
W I D E S I S K O
How was that Star Trek game that came out last year/early this year, I think it was trying to be like a telltale game but I didn't hear a thing about it after that initial trailer. I know it took place sometime after DS9 or concurrently.
bad. It's more a series of baby's first QTE sprinkled with dialogue options and choices that make you think you have agency but don't actually have meaningful effect the vast majority of the time.
The villains are also extremely generic "conquer the universe cause we're better than you" types and are not entertaining in the slightest.
Well that sucks, the trailer kind of looked like it would be interesting.
>there are people that haven't played Metal Gear Solid 3 in the original Klignon
You bring dishonore to your family.
In my mind I now see Disrupter Ocelot. Thanks I think.
I'm now imagining a Cardasian arguing MGS2 was the best against a Klignon who likes MGS3
>MGS2
Cardassians
>MGS3
Klingons
>MGSV
Vulcans
So I started watching DS9. I haven't seen any Cardassian Warcrimes, but my friend they are the bad guys. What gives?
Which season and ep are you on? I'll let you know.
Long story short, children were starving.
She probably mixed it up with the torpedos.
Trick Question there were no war crimes. SInce there was no war.
Can you even call 50 years an occupation?
True, it's more of a colonial style occupation of Bajor by the Cardassians. Of course there are smaller scale conflicts between the Cardassian government and Bajoran revolutionary groups.
>smaller scale conflicts between the Cardassian government and Bajoran terrorists.
>Say that to my face fricker, not online see what happens
Bro, wrong Kira. Unless thats the right Kira dressed up as the wrong Kira. In which case I concede.
Actually, I only just started watching DS:9, so this is a sin borne of ignorance. Just went with whatever pic of her I could find on the internet image sights. I will now perform 500 jumping jacks as an act of contrition.
>I will now perform 500 jumping jacks as an act of contrition.
Try hopscotch
Cardassians were just mending the bloodlines and rejoining the houses.
The Bajorans do teach that the Cardassian and Bajoran people used to be 1 race and culture right? They totally didn't sweep that under the rug right?
Did you watch TNG before that? The latter seasons have a good amount of Kardashian episodes. Jon Irenicus (David Warner) even appears as a high ranking Cardassian in Chain of Command
How could have there been any warcrimes if there was no war?
We have always controlled Bajor.
The writers couldn't decide if the Cardassian occupation of Bajor was literally Nazi Germany death camps, turn of the century third world imperialism, or Israeli occupation of the Gaza strip, so how bad the occupation actually was fluctuates wildly from episode to episode. The only thing they could settle on was that Dukat tried to minimize casualties after taking over, but ultimately still failed to win over the Bajorans before Cardassia was forced to abandon the occupation, and that he only attempted to satisfy his own ego, not out of any genuine belief that they actually deserved better treatment than they had. The political dissonance in the writing room was obvious too, with some episodes being Avery Brooks jumping up and down on a soap box, and others being pretty explicitly antisemitic. This didn't end with DS9 either. One of the most impressive messaging whiplashes I've ever seen in a TV show was a two part episode about how the nazis were so evil that a holographic recreation of one was able to convince evil aliens to go back on a peace treaty, followed within the same season with an episode about a planet who is obsessed with a fake genocide which is sensationalized by political activists, who ultimately only actually succeed in their goals for equality when they admit that it never happened and stop trying to stir up animosity over fabricated war crimes. I bet there was a fight over that one, lmao.
>I bet there was a fight over that one, lmao.
They had to structure it as a what if thousands of years in the future so yeah.
>The writers couldn't decide if the Cardassian occupation of Bajor was literally Nazi Germany death camps, turn of the century third world imperialism, or Israeli occupation of the Gaza strip, so how bad the occupation actually was fluctuates wildly from episode to episode.
It was all of these things at different times and parts of the planet.
That's a cop out, they should have just picked one and stuck with it.
I don't think so, it's actually one of the few or only times in Star Trek that the enormity of a planet-wide generational incident is able to be explored from many angles in significant depth. The occupation was complex, multi staged, and had multiple motivations, and the people ultimately administering it were many.
But there explicitly was destruction and ground poisoning when the Cardassians left. However at the scale of a whole planet there were of course some structures that were overlooked or simply not cared about, or were spared as part of diplomatic pretense. Often when it was a Sisko-explores-ruin episode, it had either been recently rediscovered or was hidden by secretive religious monks for untold years.
Also most of the sites had no type of infrastructure that would be picked up by planetary sensors, and were built upon natural underground/Cliffside formations. Not easy for the Cardassians to wipe all that out.
It was none of those things though. There are multiple episodes about Sisko the prophet going down to Bajor to see some ruins or temples.
A real occupation that went sideways would have wrecked all those.
Root beer and two hotdogs please.
You think Damar was drunk when he became a hero of the people?
Klingon women will suck every vital liquid from you.
the only attractive ones are halfies
>he did not want to get his soul and semen sucked out by the Duras sisters
WEAK
We need grilka posting to be in the first 10 posts next thread this isn't fair.
He's connected to the holoprogram as a holoentity. He's moriarty he'll find a way.
Best ending. He really did live for that woman.
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Disregarding the morality of occupying a sentient species, I think they did a bad job of showing the atrocities of the occupation in the show itself. There were some hints, maybe a flashback episode now and then but mostly people were just talking about how bad it was. I think they kind of shot themselves in the foot in that regard, which is why people got so attached to Dukat in the first place.
>Rogan: Would Cardassia accept trans people?
I liked the irony of the bajorans hating the occupation but when they become free they just became farmers.
Like you sure you lot don't want to be slaves you seem built for the labor?
It's a simple life.
what the frick did he mean by this lmao
I think he means they just want to toil as farmers, which is seen as the work of Serfs so why not let themselves be conquered if they just want to farm so badly.
The things they did during the occupation became their way of life after the occupation.
They used to be poets and philosophers, 50 years of the whip made them farmers.
Their masters left, but they had internalized their slave lives and kept it up as free people.
They even turned away other starving farmers when they got their own freedom.
>They even turned away other starving farmers when they got their own freedom.
This is when they lost me as a people.
>They even turned away other starving farmers when they got their own freedom.
What are you talking about those gamma quadrant refugees who insisted they HAD to settle on Bajor? And then they started violently sperging out when the Bajorans hesitated about just handing over a continent to them? Nah, frick those guys. They're as moronic as the Maquis. They could've settled on any planet, but noooooooo we need THIS planet because it's speshul!
>>They could've settled on any planet, but noooooooo we need THIS planet because it's speshul!
The cardassians said this about the bajorans during the occupation.
For some reason when I try quoting 2 posts in 1 reply it isn't linking the second quote, sorry.
It's one thing if it's your home planet. It's another thing if it's someone else's planet that you want to "share". Like, imagine they wheeled up to Earth and said "Give us Africa. Our religion says it's our holy land. Don't worry, we'll be good neighbors. But if you don't give it to us, we're gonna flip our shit."
It was their home planet. Cardassians come from Bajor originally, or vice versa. There is an episode where Sisko and jake travel in some sublight craft Sisko made from old Bajoran schematics.
The twist in the end is that the Bajorans have travelled to Cardassia before, it heavily implies that they were the same race originally and had a falling out schism in the past.
There's a big difference between laboring voluntarily for your own sake where what you do and don't do for how long each day is entirely at your discretion and being in chains working to exhaustion for the benefit of others you probably dislike a whole lot.
Luckily, bajorans weren't chained during the occupation.
figure of speech. If you want to get literal, just replace that with being in front of an assembly line to the point of collapse/death while big brother watches.
>just replace that with being in front of an assembly line to the point of collapse/death while big brother watches.
This is what is happening when Kira's mom is fricking Dukat. She said it was a good time for her when she was in her after sex glow. The kids looked happier.
If you ignore season 1 episodes then Wesley hate is unfathomable. The average Wesley episode starting with The Bonding (where he admits to Picard that he hated him for returning from that mission when his father didn't) is fine or quite good.
Unfortunately a ton of s1 episodes insisted on using him as wunderkind plot device.
Whatever happened to Dukat's half bajoran baby from that cult he made
I don't remember
One of my favourite things about Star Trek is how THE PARAGON OF UNITY AND DIVERSITY the Federation, who accept the Klingons and the Romulans, fail to hide their grimaces of disgust whenever a Ferengi or Cardassian shows up. It's funny that they are so disgusting that even the society built around tolerance can barely tolerate them.
My favorite is O'brien having seething racism and hatred and he only barely swallows it long enough to get things done before venting about the xeno filth in his presence.
Then he goes home to his asian wife and sometimes son sometimes daughter half breed.
>what is this raw fish slop
>WHERE'S THE POTATO
O'brien is great, he's such a huge butthole, racist to xenos, racist to other humans, literally Space Karl Pilkington.
>i 'unno, why have alien food when you can 'ave fish 'an chips, eh?
>vulcan? what's wrong eith europe?
It's because at the end of the day, the federation only have tolerance for peoples they believe are capable of being better, of becoming more like themselves. But the Ferengi and Cardassians, who are physiologically incapable of not being greedy liars and cruel psychopaths, respectively, can never be like humans or vulcans. They can't be "fixed", they are seemingly fundamentally "evil".
Remember that time the Bajorans re-adopted their caste system and IMMEDIATELY started killing each other over it? The Cardassians really didn't go far enough in eradicating their backwards ass culture.
Let's be fair, none of the backwards moronation of the Bajorans even slightly compares to the pointless cruelty of the Cardassians against literally everyone they interact with and also towards themselves.
Clearly you haven't read The Never Ending Sacrifice.
A worthless cretin like you could never grasp the intricacies of Cardassian philosophy and the orderly splendor of its rich and thriving society.
A pitiful Federation mutt like you could never understand the ways in which the struggles of its people molded and refined the enlightened ideals of the Cardassian people from your seat of opulence, yet you still seek to project your insular and uniformed ideals onto them because as much as you try to don a new visage, you are deep down still the same ravenous, self-aggrandizing apes that came from that wretched rock in the Alpha Quadrant.
Remember when Kira gets her hands on an Orb that can let her experience anything and she uses it to go back to the week her mom started fricking Dukat and then actively meddled in it to make sure it would definitely happen?
He heard alexander was going to be on it.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Engagement_(episode)
I will never not be mad that Alexander was such a lil b***h when he grew up.
They were a hair's breathe away from revealing he was her father in the drafts for that episode. It would have been so kino after all the horndogging he does to her.
>But there explicitly was destruction and ground poisoning when the Cardassians left.
Tactics that a superior cardassian force wouldn't need to use, but a revolutionary terrorist cell like the bajorans would use.
I wish Bajorans were that based.
By the end of the series kira wears that she is a terrorist with hundreds of confirmed kills with pride.
I'm not even joking, they treat it like she got a new hairdo and is feeling zesty. She starts talking about her occupation days like Cotton Hill talking about Vietnam.
0 sympathy for bajorans.
>They could've settled on any planet, but noooooooo we need THIS planet because it's speshul!
The cardassians said this about the bajorans during the occupation.
>By the end of the series kira wears that she is a terrorist with hundreds of confirmed kills with pride.
You say that like she was ashamed of being a terrorist in S1. S1 Kira is like a Taliban bureaucrat who misses the jihad.
Her character and the show's complete unflinching standing by her actions and motivations is one of the best parts of DS9.
I'm saying the federation people around her are also proud of her. She's a killer and they are proud of her.
It's weird. Federation people should have all seen Bajorans like we see Gypsies.
Didn't she mellow out rather over time to the point of having friction with her old resistance buddies and one of them getting killed over it?
No, she was happily regailing her kill count with them the night before. She was only upset they didn't clue her in so they could all go on a night of ultraviolence together and be on the same page.
1 armed guy would still be alive if they told her the plan, that is how much hubris she had.
Frick the both of them, honestly.
Bajorans were the most moronic thing ever.
>Kira gets mad at the Romulans for putting weapons on their planet to defend their hospital
>demands they are moved
>states that the hospital will be under Bajor's protection
>Kira cries to Sisko
>Feds demand they remove the weapons
>Bajor has zero ability to protect anything
>only gets a say because it is close to the wormhole
>Bajor eventually does scramble its "defenses"
>100 sub-light craft that couldn't take on a single Warbird
>can't defend anything
>somehow Romulans were wrong
I think the implication is that the Romulans wanted it there in case they decided to betray their new alliance, not because they wanted to help.
All the characters call it "treacherous"
It was a plot that got foiled most likely
true, very true. that is their MO after all.
but they had a REALLY good reason for wanting it their even if they were being genuine. And forcing the issue would be a par for the course for them since. Yes, this could be a plant for later betrayl but Bajor is useless and you HAVE to let us keep our shit here.
instead it was just a dumb reason to get Kira the moron on screen so she could scream into the camera like she always does.
Why did Worf blow up a transport full of Klingon Civilians? Does he hate his own race that much?
Oh if only he had blown it up, his disgrace was far worse! He let them go! It was the eve of the Day of Honor, and he was interrogating five dishonorable pahtaks. They were CHILDREN, they had never seen battle, they lived in caves, scrounged for food, they were filthy and they stank! The sky was pouring rain and he hadn't seen a female in weeks, and suddenly the whole exercise seemed utterly pointless, all he wanted was some wine and decent gagh! And so he let them go, spat on them and flung them into the mud without so much as drawing blood. Kurn couldn't believe his eyes, he looked at Worf like he was insane. He was a fool! He should have slain every one of them where they stood, but because he was hungry and sexually frustrated, he FAILED in his duties and destroyed every ounce of honor he had ever built up! And now all he has is the federation, with nothing to look forward to but living out his days on a frail, human spaceship, and having lunch with Guinan.
And that's the worst part. He started enjoying the humans' baby food and their smug moral cowardice, felt it creeping up into him like a weed. But deep down he hates this place, and he hates himself.
Remember when Future Alexander became a time traveler to correct something in the past when he was a kid? What the frick was that about?
Fricking love these wish the channel made more.
They should do a City Builder/Life Sim game a la The Guild 2 or Stronghold but based on Ferengi.
Section 31 was a critique of the CIA and it taught kids that if they ever get contacted by an alphabet agency recruiter that they should go along with it so they can get close enough to the director to fry his brain.
> ever get contacted by an alphabet agency recruiter that they should go along with it so they can get close enough to the director to fry his brain.
There was a running theme of enlisted people killing their CO in the 90s, multiple tv shows and movies made it a background for a character.
It's like looking back on all those 80/90s flicks and realizing some movies use all isreali firearms and some don't.
Wonder what was up with that...
Quark is 2nd best ferengi, the best is a ferengi named sneed
Why did Starfleet Intelligence need DS9's Chief of Operations to infiltrate the the Orion Syndicate?
They needed the most racist man in the federation for the job
If you are conducting an operation you want the chief of operations.
The real question is why the trek writers always felt the audience needed a self insert stand in and then always made their life suffering.
If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here!
It's because he was one of the best actors on the show and the writers love good actors.
Commander Kira sexo
wrong she wasn't even the hottest one in her own damn show. She was aggressively mid-tier and her acting was terrible to watch
Her fake smile and laughter was peak israeliteess though.
A dangerous fusion
that was it! she was INTENSLY israeli themed
Why is Chief O'Brien the only NCO in Starfleet?
Because none of the other ones matter.
Remember when Nana Visitor got raped by a pack of Black folk on her way home from shooting a DS9 episode?
>Nana visitor dressed in a microdress being your nanny
>dukat if your snooty butler
> Archer is the man of the house
Welcome to another episode of O'Brien must suffer
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Time_(episode)#Background_information
>Oi moidahed heem!
I still hear it in my head
Joined up during wartime when almost no one else did. He really wanted to collect spoons.
Just started my next TNG rewatch. Probably going to rewatch DS9 afterwards too. It's fricking criminal that DS9 didn't get the HD treatment.
When the frick are they gonna talk about DS9?
I don't think they liked it as much as TNG
Or at least Mike didn't, and he's the impetus for Star Trek content
It deserves an episode dammit, and I wouldn't mind Rich being the one leading the DS9 discussion.
Games for this feel?
I think Beverley got hotter with age and Sub Rosa is her best performance.
Tomb Raider on Saturn.
>so for this scene I'm gonna need you two to bend over in tight space-yoga suits in front of a mirror
They sexed up Troi all the time and Beverly's actress was actually trained in dance she was probably stoked.
>Season 6
>Bashir: oh btw, I am genetically engineered and super smart fyi, even though we have already established that I am a brilliant doctor
lmao what fricking bullshit was this
>Pajeet
>Super smart
It had to be genetic engineering. If they had taken from natural genes, he'd be shitting in the designated Jeffries tube.
he's Sudanese
Just as likely he was a Pajeet or Paki.
I think solidly MENA.
Bashir's parents were played by an Egyptian woman and an Israeli israelite
I stand by my Indian claim because the designated Jeffries tube is funny and I want to keep it.
It was a goodun and we can make it canon. Bashirhomosexual will probably be upset so it has to be done.
>extraction
I like the wordage, it feels like a phrenologist plucking a downtrodden brown out of the masses
He's played by a Sudanese guy and his parents are played by an Israeli and an Egyptian.
They kept doing more and more insane stuff with Bashir's character. I think the writer's just hated him and knew he didn't like it.
>Hasperat is just hummus. Once you realize the little things like that you realize the whole show was just israelites at an airport.
kek
Bashir's actor was actually pissed about this too. Can't remember if it was planned from the beginning, but it was for at least a few seasons. He would've liked to actually play his character, but who knows if it would've caused him to play it wrong.
The Ferengi may have been a happy merchant stereotype but they were still fun and interesting.
>Barter builds in RPGs
A shame there aren't many RPGs that let you truly embrace the merchant life.
A weg about being quark running the bar would be really cool
>savescumming to get all the oomax scenes
12 bars of gold pressed latinum
DS 9 is boring
It's the only one I find myself rewatching.
nah voyager is peak so much new shit going on much more exploring
>muh space station
booooooooring
I have them all in Chronological order (but I watch them by series). Why do I like DS9 the most then?
Even people that say DS9 is bad trek (like me) say that it is the best for character interaction.
I hate the overriding message and themes of DS9. I hate Bajoran scum. I love most of the DS9 cast.
You don't get Vic Fontaine or Brute FCA type characters on other treks shows.
I was 3 when DS9 came out and recall watching an episode (alongside Buffy) with a friend in 1999. Maybe it reminds me of that time.
TOS is best for rewatches followed by voyager. TOS is genuinely fun and voyager has the loudest ship audio so it is great for sleeping to.
big same
ds9 raped the lore
>it's a Oda simps for Kira episode
>It's a Kira starts a relationship with someone new episode
>it's a Jadzia starts fricking someone new on the crew episode
>It's a Sisko seething about Racism or seething because someone is better than him episode
These are like half of all DS9 episodes.
Sisko only seethed about racism like 3 times
And two of those were technically a hallucination
>Avery Brooks tried to rope Alexander Siddig into doing more stories about racism but he didn't give a frick about American Black person problems and just wanted to do more spy movie stuff
lmao
So... you have to spend a night with a Dax... Jadzia? Ezri? Kurzon? whos the choice?
and yes the spots go all the way down
Ezri 100% and she is in the casino outfit.
Jews literally called Palestinians squatting in Gaza occupiers. Anon, I'm in my 50s I remember what the world was like back then DS9 was a BLATANT israelite proxy show.
But the israelites were the settlers. Everyone knew this, even in the 90s.
I know, the writers know. They inversed it to make themselves look good. What aren't you getting about this?
What you aren't getting is that you are making shit up when you claim the cardassians were meant to represent the palestinians, because it doesn't even slightly make sense as a metaphor, and nobody read it that way at the time because it wouldn't make sense to and obviously wasn't intended.
yes Ezri, but Mirror/Punk Rebel Ezri Dick her straight again
>game remaster reveals new details
>Maquis
Tell me how they are not the good guys?
Too scatterbrained and moronic as a faction. Anyone that wanted to leave the federation could just go do it.
7 of 9s parents were out in the fricking delta quadrant studying borg like morons people in the federation can do as they please.
They did shove his face in it. They made his mother the face of the suffragette movement while fricking the negus and then had rom be the new negus.
Quark got shit on constantly while trying to be the best ferengi he knew how to be.
>They made his mother the face of the suffragette movement while fricking the negus and then had rom be the new negus.
I simply choose to believe S7 isn't real.
They were right to be pissed about their treatment but in the greater events taking place its hard to care much about them
>That episode when the Maquis captain keeps BTFO Sisko over and over again
>Being unable to beat this captain Sisko threatens to blow up a planet with countless of innocent lives unless the other captain surrenders, because that's the only way he can win over the other captain
>the other captain surrenders because he's a genuinely good guy that cares about innocent lives
>we are suppose to think Sisko is the good guy here
I don't get why so many people say Sisko was a good "captain". Half the time he was seething about stuff, the other time he was space Jesus.
It was the only move he could make, if he didn't make a decisive game ending move right away the Maquis would keep doing their guerrila warfare bullshit and give the cardassians real legitimate reason to start fricking around in their sector. He was removing two threats at once.
>and give the cardassians real legitimate reason to start fricking around in their sector.
If the federation had been forced to crush cardassia (like they should have the first time) before the founders arrived, hundreds of millions less people would have died in the dominion war, if it even happened at all.
weak ass fed babies don't do that
which is why Siskos shit worked in the end.
they needed someone who wasn't going to talk to people and just kill them instead, which is why "In the Pale Moonlight" was so damn good.
Or they could have picked a proper captain that could actually do his job and not lose to a terrorist using 5% of his resources.
Threatening to kill millions of innocents because you are a sore loser is not a positive thing.
I don't get what you are going for, it worked.
>Threatening to kill millions of innocents because you are a sore loser is not a positive thing.
On the contrary, he won, without even having to fire a shot. The only real problem with the situation is that he was just on the wrong side of the fight, and should have just told Eddington, "whatever, frick off, idk, just don't bring your dumb shit to my station again"
He only won because of plot armor writing, nothing else.
my brother, Eddington was only winning because of plot armor writing. That's what fiction is, all his successes, his character as a whole was a foil to eventually have Sisko "do the thing" that's just called plot.
Eddington was only getting away with his bullshit in the first place thanks to plot armor.
Sisko was a psychopath given In the Pale Moonlight.
He's fine killing people, unironically.
Eh. Nobody died that didn't deserve it.
That's the spirit Benny boy!
They were delusional, their penchant to wrap their idealism in french revolutionary canards was because they had to tap into something deeper than themselves to find the courage to act. They needed to crib their mythos from another. It was delusional all around.
>because they had to tap into something deeper than themselves to find the courage to act
That's called "conviction".
>they could've just moved to any number of habitable planets
Yeah bro just fricking leave your entire fricking PLANET because your government signed a shitty treaty with a backwards third world despot that they could have crushed but just didn't for no reason.
Then you can just act with conviction you don't have to channel le revolucion
Shit anon, the episode that ends that beef has a protracted scene where Sisko and Eddington start being the roles from Les Miserables ranting about stealing bread.
It is patently delusional. As delusional as Data singing Modern Major General in the movies.
>3rd world despot
>for no reason
The Feds were in a cold war with the Rommies and the Klingons.
Cardassia wasn't as large as those empires but it wasn't weak, they were a strong military power and didn't have to defend on 3 fronts of war broke out like the feds would
>The Feds were in a cold war with the Rommies and the Klingons.
All the more reason to shatter Cardassia. Not only make it clear to the homosexual Romulans what the consequences are for breaking a treaty made in good faith, but also take their starships and ship yards.
>Cardassia wasn't as large as those empires but it wasn't weak, they were a strong military power
If they were strong they wouldn't have signed the treaty. They are a deeply, pathetically image obsessed people. They would have NEVER given up the fight unless they thought they couldn't possibly win. And they couldn't. They knew what would happen if they pushed the envelope, and instead gambled on playing to the federation's moral cowardice.
>lets expend our forces on a fight we don't have to, weakening our borders which are constantly being poked by the Rommies
This is the same group that planted time bombs in the core of enemy planets already.
Any protracted war the federation is part of they are choosing to be part of.
>All the more reason to shatter Cardassia
Sorry, were we talking about the Feddies or the Klingons?
The settlers knew they were right on the border with the Cardassians and they knew the Federation was never going to conquer Cardassia. They gambled that the political situation would turn out totally favorable to the Federation because, no matter what Eddington says, deep down they drink the root beer. But for once the political situation was a little more complicated than "the Federation won, yay!" and they lost their shit.
Maybe they should have chosen a better captain that didn't get humiliated and beaten so easily by a terrorist
Sisko isn't a Good captain. He's right on the border of being one of those evil admirals. It's almost effortless to imagine the reverse of In the Pale Moonlight where the crew discovers an evil admiral plotting to pull the Romulans into the war via espionage and they have to stop him. That's part of the charm of that episode. It was basically the reversal of how that sort of plot would normally turn out.
With regards to Eddington and the Maquis, the problem was always that they were being hideously short-sighted and drunk on their feelings of rugged independence and delusions of heroic resistance. Sisko's gambit was to play into that (partially bluffing) and force Eddington to put up or shut up on his heroic fantasy. To his credit, Eddington followed through on his fantasy. Though that didn't validate the Maquis, who held on to their delusions until the Dominion wiped them out.
The Marquis weren't delusional, they were just weak. If the federation had done its job during the first cardassian war, there would have been no reason for them to exist in the first place.
If the Maquis weren't so autistic about "muh soil", they could've just moved to any number of habitable planets that weren't right on the border with the space nazis.
They got mindbroken that their planets were bartering chips after the war and the federation was willing to give chips away.
It put them into a seethe where they'd rather die fighting than do anything logical. They got reminded that in a reality of infinite stars and planets you can't care for them all the same.
The federation shouldn't be bartering with homosexual space nazis who lost the fricking war. Especially when the spoon heads were constantly CONSTANTLY breaking the treaty and just abducting random federation citizens and even starfleet officers to torture to death.
>blow up a planet with countless of innocent lives
anon he was poisoning it so they couldn't live there anymore.
he wasn't exploding planets or killing anyone.
Anyone else feel like they missed an oportunity to shove Quark's face in it when he starts lecturing on how enlightened Ferengi are compared to humans because we had slavery? when they have their women walk around naked as property?
its the right call granted but they could have mentioned it
Quark knew he could get away with it because feddie humans are a bunch of culturally castrated cucks who are deeply ashamed of 500 year old cultural practices
Only Sisko apparently. He gets chewed out by everyone for bringing up racism from the past like a homosexual.
If we are talking mirror universes then I'd have a harem of many ezris.
by the end of ds9 all their woman were allowed to wear clothes,speak to men, and worst of all earn profit
Wasn't the Ferengi introduced to Star Trek as a race using fricking WHIPS to enslave people with?
Ah yes, the Ferengi Laser Whip. A classic trek invention.
Remember when Sisko's girlfriend turns out to be a Maquis terrorist running contraband, gets caught because he pulls a sting operation on her, then she does time in the clink, then he keeps dating her afterwards?
I'm watching the episode right now.
It's because, at the end of the day, the federation actually did tacitly endorse the actions of the Maquis, even Sisko himself, and he only bothered to intervene when they took actions that would have had direct and substantial negative ramifications on Bajor or the Federation itself (or in the case of Eddington, when they hurt his pride)
They were iffy on him even staying on the station as a federation officer if he chose to be the emissary.
He's casually dating a terrorist that has been arrested and served time under his watch. It's just strange.
It seems strange until you realize the simple truth: the federation sees the Marquis as an asset, not an enemy. One that needs to be kept on a short leash and occasionally beaten, but none the less useful. A captain getting involved with cosmic entities on the other hand, that's an unknown factor. The worm hole aliens at one point just fricking deleted an entire armada of starships. When that report came in, the admirals fricking shit themselves.
Remember when Sisko's son was about to get killed because of a wormhole alien and he pretty much didn't give a single and didn't even try to prevent it?
Then a few episodes later he got mad as frick because the wormhole aliens told him if he married that chick it would mean he would get mad?
Remember when Avery Brookes demanded they let his character address some personal beefs Avery had regarding racism and they made it into an episode where he's going insane or an episode where he won't go to the holodeck because of 300 year old racism?
Here's a holodeck program
I'm going to need a scuba mask, 3 condoms, a large milk crate, and 10ft x 10ft plastic tarp from the replicators
Do not disturb me in there for the next 86 hours
I don't get this joke.
Irish Kayaking
Prune juice.
I'd like some quark.
>"I know you. I was like you once, but then I opened my eyes. Open your eyes, Captain. Why is the Federation so obsessed with the Maquis? We've never harmed you. And yet we're constantly arrested and charged with terrorism. Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept. Nobody leaves paradise. Everyone should want to be in the Federation. Hell, you even want the Cardassians to join. You're only sending them replicators because one day they can take their 'rightful place' on the Federation Council. You know, in some ways you're even worse than the Borg. At least they tell you about their plans for assimilation. You're more insidious. You assimilate people and they don't even know it."
Not half as memorable as quark talking about rootbeer and it is a straight up redux kek.
Behr needed to be wrangled in so fricking hard.
or Sisko and his "I can Live With It" or Garak's anything.
I can live with it is good it has the right punch for what is happening. Eddington never sold his role well, except when bragging about being under sisko's nose the whole time. But that lets Sisko rant about him being right.
Sisko rants worked because Avery could sell it.
Garak was adorable in that episode
>I really shouldn't be here with you on this rock
This is the same episode where Gul Dukat's bastard daughter brings Garak to the Cardassian massage parlor and Garak thinks it's for Sexo and is relieved when she thinks he's worried about her attempting to kill him.
>We've never harmed you
Yeah, because reigniting the war with Cardassia won't bring any harm to anyone.
They also left the federation. You generally don't break oaths of fealty and if you do you can expect the people you broke the oaths with to feel like you harmed them. It's a ride or die mentality and you just showed you aren't in it like they are, it hurts.
Nonsense, anyone can leave the Federation and planets enclaved within Federation territory have no obligation to join. The problem with the Maquis is that they're Federation citizens (at least as far as the Cardassians are concerned) trying to start shit with the Cardassians. It's not much different than people living next to the neutral zone deliberately flying in to piss off the Romulans.
>Kills a Romulan diplomat to wrangle the Romulans into the Dominion War
holy shit Garak was so fricking based
Didn't he give zero shits when he found out it was all set up?
>you wanted him dead, so you came to me
>you can't complain now
He punched Garak in the face for it without even saying anything
What do you mean "gave zero shits"
He eventually agreed with him after he explained it, yeah
I meant garak gave 0 shits. He knew what the intention was, picked up on it, and followed through.
He was confused why sisko would act like he didn't do what he just did and tells him to stow the act with him he knows what garak really is.
It was a good scene.
it was more like, "You said ANYTHING" to get the Romulans into the war, that means you get to deal with losing your self-respect
which Sisko probably wasn't willing to give up if he was asked when he made that promise.
Sisko knew what would happen after getting garak involved and that is why he got him involved. Garak knew, that is why he tells Sisko to frick off with the moral high ground.
>Best Star Trek episode after all these years is still the Original series one with the Enterprise and the Romulan ship locked in a space submarine battle
How the frick did they do it?
It was closer to WWII, so people remembered how submarine warfare was.
I still say it was the guy that played Spock's father selling any role he had. Same way Tomalok is memorable in every single appearance on TNG.
There had better be a follow-up thread to this. This is max comfy.
who knew we could have a good Trek thread.... on Ganker of all places...
Most of the time, off-board threads are pretty good.
Which boards are best for which other boards' content?
/k/ for videogames?
for me it's Star Trek Enterprise
humanity's first steps into the space, overcoming the odds and befriending species that are the polar opposite of Vulkans and forming federation with said species
wish they leaned in a bit more into the reverse engineering aspect
Remember that one time Picard sent the Bajoran ensign girl on a suicide mission with Cardassian separatists and it was never mentioned again through the entire runs of both TNG an DS9?
That shit was wild. Janeway killing Tuvix levels of wtf on screen.
Remember when O'brien's wife got de-aged to a kid and he's down with it?
I don't think the Federation had anything on the books for that one.
Thomas Riker situation already happened, there was a known way to handle it already.
A transporter clone is a different situation from a transporter merging two people and effectively making a third, distinct person.
Not really. The originals are in the buffer just go get them.
The issue is always the original person, the new being can go do whatever it wants you still have the originals in the pattern buffer.
Scotty was in one for like 40 years it'll be fine.
Seeing him in dramas is always a trip. It's like seeing John C Reily in something from before he went into comedy.
This isn't real frick you
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I mean Keiko seemed fine with it.
>Bajoran girl introduced as a firebrand that doesn't take or follow Fed orders when it comes to Cardassians/Bajorans
>Picard sends her to Help Cardassians defeat a Bajoran Cell
>who could have seen that one play out.
Janeway tops it. Killing Tuvix is a back to back murder, she kills the clown either the week before or after.
2 weeks in a row aired where Janeway kills someone in cold blood. She says "I know" when the clown says it is afraid. Cut to black, credits.
She was coldblooded.
Janeway's moral compass is a roulette wheel
Being in her proximity was russian roulette.
>tfw you're an alien race and Janeway hasn't yet decided whether it's a "delay getting home by another 2 years in order to maintain muh federation ethics" or a "genocide alien race in order to get home 2 days ahead of schedule" week
we can throw a monkeywrench in the mix
>alien diplomat is a widowed 40 something male with a vaguely european accent
Now it's chaos.
How many foot rubs do we need to give her command staff before we are allowed to not be genocided?
I think it's more a question of how many times you have to kill Ensign Kim. Either spiritually or literally (so long as you replace him with a copy or something by the end). Appealing to Chakotay's spirituality might also save you.
Picard was outright blackmailing sito jaxa into committing suicide
I can still vaguely see her shuffling off with the 2 cardies wearing all yellow. It was a murder plain and simple.
>I didn't realize she would be so young
Was this when picard realized it was a suicide mission? The cardies were fine with some old idiot that wouldn't mind dying weren't they?
Seriously, what the frick was he doing?
Beats me. Lower Decks was unironically fricked up once you actually realize what Picard was doing
I'm pretty sure the cardassian were looking for an old person that knows what they are signing up for and he shows up with the most young, fertile, blonde and blue eyed woman he could get.
Cardassians of all races were like "really dawg?"
detach the saucer
>come to quarks, quarks is fun, don't stop now RUN!
>Janeway breaks the prime directive every other episode like it's nothing
>Tom Paris breaks it once to save an entire civilization that was going to do something super moronic
>Janeway punishes him and tells her that she's super disappointed in him and he should be ashamed.
Paris is already on thin ice for the Nova Squadron fiasco and he should have known better.
He and Janeway get over it and have a bunch of kids together.
>Paris is already on thin ice for the Nova Squadron fiasco and he should have known better.
It was pretty dumb that they insisted on making Paris and Locarno two separate characters. I don't know why they thought Locarno was so unforgivable. I heard they made him a nutjob in Lower Decks. What a sham.
At the time it was a writer's credit thing. The guy that wrote the Nick Lacorno character owned it and they'd have to pay royalties to use him every episode.
There are hints in the show that proves he is the Nick character under a new name though.
>hmm should I make my own crew member my chief engineer, the guy that has worked extremely hard to get where they are, graduated the starfleet academy which is basically the top academy in the world and reward him for his loyalty?
>nah, let me make this terrorist dropout my chief engineer because I like that she's so rebellious!
I would have committed mutiny on the spot there if I was working under Janeway
I liked the special badges the maquis had to wear early season.
Seskaworstgirl, always.
I wish she lived so she'd have to live the rest of her life with Kazon
>every day the child grows to look like his father
Her suffering could never be enough.
>"Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun. Come right now, don't walk. Run!"
Aww, I missed a Ganker Trek thread.
Knowing Barclay, he probably kept the simulation module around and once EMH technology advanced enough just plucked them out.
Moriarty could have been Andy Dick EMH2.0
God I forgot Andy Dick was in Trek.
>how would you have Garak kill you?
I'd let him prune me for no reason kek
The Janitors have no honor!
Rip new thread, looks like Rom's sweeping it up tonight
MONOCROMATIC
TRASH
Frick I missed some replies to my question
Let's make sure that history never forgets the name... Gankerenterprise. Picard out.
They got the other Trek thread a few hours ago too
buttholes
It's axanar all over again.
Whatever happened to that project? Did it die like every other crowdfunded project or was it killed by CBS?
Killed by CBS when actual actors like Tony Todd signed up. You can't have actors you have contracts with showing up in fan projects sadly.
Figures. But then I heard it was going to be nothing like Prelude so it probably would've sucked.
Everything trek sucks now. Trek ended with enterprise's second to last episode. The rest is fanfiction.