>It was occasionally used as a throwing weapon, which gave rise to the idiom "sa shou jian (撒手鐧, lit. 'cast away jian')" that later corrupted into "sha shou jian (殺手鐧, lit. 'killing hand jian', also translated as 'assassin's mace')".
Holy shit just like my Japanese animes unironically. Guns are too fricking good man, I wish we still fought with weird shit.
I did read, I'm just not paying attention to your moronic rules >name a nintendo platformer where you play only as a male who ISN'T a plumber AND can't eat his enemies AND isn't a monkey
Well yeah, he's the only DQ protagonist that doesn't fit into the same archetype as all the others. He's basically a Priest with higher physical stats, right down to the spells he learns.
Atelier series has almost all MC's using a staff a few exceptions i can think of are
Atelier Shallie, one MC uses a bell as her weapon, and the other uses a broom.
Honestly OP's question is kind of funny because i feel like gun using RPG protags are rarer than staff using ones.
She looks like a chuuni hooker that ran away from home 2 hours prior and starts crying and asks you to call her dad when you ask her to take off her clothes.
i just found it an oddly specific example and assumed anon was working through their own personal history.
If there's a market selling hookers that go full chuunibyou while you're banging them i'll happily show up and buy everything they've got. or i would if hookers weren't illegal where i live.
real Laphicet really was a massive piece of shit. "I'll concoct a plan that relies on turning my beloved older sister into the aspect of rage and suffering" He did not deserve the eternal SS good end he got.
Memes aside, what were Falcom thinking with Estelle's gameplay? Like she very clearly sucks and doesn't match up with how the story portrays her. She needs a huge STR boost at least.
>JRPG >Caring about what player uses as a weapon
??? What's the point, you will press X and he will do awesome anyways. There is no mechanical difference between a sword, a gun, a bow, a staff etc.
How is it press X to awesome even if you think it's a weapon? It just gives you hyperarmor, more armor and more damage. You need to do the moves yourself.
With Persona, there's no question that characters are using their preferred weapon whenever they get into combat. In new Yakuza, it's explained that we're seeing the MCs delusions playing out whenever there's a transition to turned-based. We can assume he's using a bat, but who the frick knows.
>We can assume he's using a bat, but who the frick knows.
The bat is canon since it's still around in 8. Adachi and Nanba comment on being disappointed that he was using it as a clothes hanger despite it being his partner.
I need to get back into it. I left off a couple weeks ago in the sewers about to take down Najezta's brother. I did the sidequest that destroyed the Bad End dungeon, and my party is so powerful at this point that the combat's become a bit boring. But I still want to see how the story goes.
as good as it is at that point, it gets even better. and you will get to a point where something happens that might make you want to stop playing, but you have to power through it, because i promise it will be worth it. absolute kino awaits you
Pretty much exactly like Gambit with a side of Setzer's slot mechanics from FFVI. He's a mage and throws magically-charged cards at enemies. He's also able to change the spells he casts if he draws cards of specific colors.
Even if you were to consider Machina the protagonist, that dude has some screw-shaped mini-lances that can spin like fricking drills and he uses them more like clubs most of the time.
Essentially, any RPG that follows the conventions of Dragon Quest, which was created primarily as a means to translate older RPGs like Ultima and Wizardry into something that would work on consoles and appeal to Japanese audiences. Rather than just being "an RPG made in Japan," JRPGs are iterating on a different common ancestor than western RPGs, which have their origins more closely tied to tabletop games like Dungeons and Dragons.
>any RPG that follows the conventions of Dragon Quest,
You're cutting out the majority of jrpgs with that definition you jackass. Whether you like it or not a JRPG is just an RPG made in Japan meaning games like fire emblem, disgaea, dark souls, kingdom hearts, pokemon, Yokai Watch and so on all fall under that label.
What kind of idiot do you have to be to think like that when WRPG doesn't follow that common ancestor logic? No one would hesitate to call Wizardry or Fallout New Vegas WRPGs and they couldn't be any more different.
In other words, WRPG and JRPG aren't actual genres.
JRPG is an actual genre, it's just closer to a literary genre than a game genre. It's about what tropes the game devs use for their characters more than it is about the specifics of the gameplay.
Horror games are a similar genre in that regard.
>it's just closer to a literary genre than a game genre.
No. Not in the slightest. Again, it's just an rpg made in Japan, unless you're going to try and make literary connections between Elden Ring, Mother, Kingdom Hearts and Shadow Hearts. Granted I haven't played Shadow Hearts in years so I don't quite remember the plot but I digress.
Smarter people than you have tried and failed anon.
>Horror games are a similar genre in that regard.
That's because horror is an actual genre that relies on suspense and fear, they're integral parts to the atmosphere in general regardless of what medium it is be it game, movie or book.
You can't say the same about JRPGs because they aren't a genre
>I haven't played Shadow Hearts in years so I don't quite remember the plot
Guy read a book, went insane, tried to contact god, succeeded, god drops by to destroy the world, protag kills god.
ah, you're one of those morons who calls Souls games RPGs just to win arguments online. While Action JRPGs do exist, souls games are not one of them. You probably call Zelda games JRPGs too don't you? Always funny when gays like you say "it's not actually a genre because I apply it so broadly beyond its scope that i can't recognize it as a genre anymore".
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I bet you think Kingdom Hearts isn't an RPG either
4 months ago
Anonymous
Well, I called Yakuza games JRPGs before 7 came out and it used to make people REALLY mad.
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Anonymous
>While Action JRPGs do exist, souls games are not one of them.
Change souls to a turn based rpg and how is it any different then something like Etrian. >Always funny when gays like you say "it's not actually a genre because I apply it so broadly beyond its scope that i can't recognize it as a genre anymore".
It's almost as if it was never genre in the first place. But let me ask you this, genres have themes, tropes, settings etc that tie them together, now, if you're confident in your belief you'll be able to tell us what elements all jrpgs have to make it a genre.
Shadow Hearts: Yuri punches shit and Johnny uses knives.
Xenogears: Fei punches shit.
Xenosaga: Shion has a mechanical swiss army knife robot fist thing.
man, Shadow Hearts lives in its own cursed little corner of my mind
I found that burned onto a blank disc buried in a spindle of totally legitimate PS2 games when I was _9 and played it in the wee hours of the morning in the dark
All I can remember is the QTE wheel in combat and a nasty looking village, something about an unconscious girl's panties, and the goddamn battle track burned into my brain >oooo OOOOoOOoooo
They're very good games. The first and second have the stronger story but the third game refines the battle system to a perfect balance. Final boss is a rape machine and totally fair.
>Final boss is a rape machine and totally fair.
Fair in the "I didn't grind as much as I should have, and now I have been fighting Harihara for the past 97 minutes" kind of way, or in the "this clearly feels overtuned and like the director has a seething revulsion for the fans" kind of way?
Charles Barkley: Shut Up And Jam: Gaiden
Suikoden 1 guy has a bo staff.
Yep. In 2 he has tonfas.
Chrono Cross
Came to say this because I literally just learned about it.
OFF, protagonist uses a baseball bat
Isn't OFF a French game?
please understand, off's re-entering the hipster zeitgeist and NEEDS to be brought up for e-peen
Just as the Japanese borrowed "anime" from the French, the French borrowed "JRPG" from the Japanese.
recettear
the dedicated weapon is yayness
Trails in the Sky has a pole user.
Kiseki has several examples of this besides Estelle's bo staff. Kevin uses a bowgun, Lloyd uses tonfas, Van uses a jian.
a jian is a sword.
No, I mean this jian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jian_(sword_breaker)
>It was occasionally used as a throwing weapon, which gave rise to the idiom "sa shou jian (撒手鐧, lit. 'cast away jian')" that later corrupted into "sha shou jian (殺手鐧, lit. 'killing hand jian', also translated as 'assassin's mace')".
Holy shit just like my Japanese animes unironically. Guns are too fricking good man, I wish we still fought with weird shit.
Trail games except cringe steel.
Ark from Terranigma uses a spear.
Tir from Suikoden uses a bo staff.
Riou from Suikoden 2 uses 2 tonfa.
Dragon Quest 5. All media depicts him with a staff, meaning that is his canonical weapon.
>all DQ heroes use swords in their official art
>5 uses a staff
>he isn't actually the hero
>single dedicated weapon type
READ MOTHERFRICKERS
I did read, I'm just not paying attention to your moronic rules
>name a nintendo platformer where you play only as a male who ISN'T a plumber AND can't eat his enemies AND isn't a monkey
star tropics
Wario Land 2
It's funny, Sakurai outright said that DQ5 Hero wasn't chosen as an alt because he used a staff instead of a sword.
Well yeah, he's the only DQ protagonist that doesn't fit into the same archetype as all the others. He's basically a Priest with higher physical stats, right down to the spells he learns.
no, kys
>I am attempting to prove that a game genre I am not familiar with is unoriginal and failing!
fft switch class get spear or hammer or whatever
Kingdom hearts?
Being in Smash means they're infected with Nintendo, and do not count.
EZ
that's a sword
Nuh uh it's a dagger.
well he also has a pistol right?
Yes he has access to a gun but that's not his dedicated weapon, he can run out of ammo. Are spells also dedicated weapons? I don't think so.
The gun is a side arm. Also honestly I think you can argue that their personas are their actual main "weapon"
>FOR HIS NEUTRAL SPECIAL
His main weapon is a gun tho.
A dagger is just a small sword for midgets.
Terranigma
MC in Illusion of Gaia uses a flute.
In EVO the Search for Eden most of your attacks are bites or claws.
In .hack IMOQ the MC uses dual daggers.
Atelier series has almost all MC's using a staff a few exceptions i can think of are
Atelier Shallie, one MC uses a bell as her weapon, and the other uses a broom.
Honestly OP's question is kind of funny because i feel like gun using RPG protags are rarer than staff using ones.
It was big in the 90s and 00s, and for modern or sci-fi games. Like every Arc The Lad game has a gun-user, for instance.
>modern or sci-fi games
There really aren't a ton of modern or Sci-fi RPGs though, and even those often have sword using MCs like Persona or Kotor.
What are you even trying top prove?
I love the "non-Nintendo" clause because Earthbound instantly disproves OP's gay bait.
Velvet uses a punching dagger as her primary weapon.
She looks like a chuuni hooker that ran away from home 2 hours prior and starts crying and asks you to call her dad when you ask her to take off her clothes.
that's an interesting story you have anon, what happened to you after all that? did the john call your dad like you asked him to?
You dont like chuuni hookers?
i just found it an oddly specific example and assumed anon was working through their own personal history.
If there's a market selling hookers that go full chuunibyou while you're banging them i'll happily show up and buy everything they've got. or i would if hookers weren't illegal where i live.
She's a notorious shotacon and brocon
yes and?
I didn't say that was a bad thing
Velvet was in a rape dungeon for 3 years. and she was the one doing the raping.
real Laphicet really was a massive piece of shit. "I'll concoct a plan that relies on turning my beloved older sister into the aspect of rage and suffering" He did not deserve the eternal SS good end he got.
Ichiban, like a dragon.
He uses a bat
errrm exchsuhdse me sweaty he starts out using his fists for about three minutes...
Not dedicated. You can job change and use all swords of weapons.
AHEM
Here's your (you) Kevin. Poor guy no one remember him.
zidane in FF9 uses dual knives, does that count?
Terranigma
Threads of Fate
Kamidori
Random list but games I've played and remember.
Name a Nintendo JRPG.
Earthbound? Mario RPG? Mario and Luigi?
Super Mario RPG
Castlevania (one of the 30 of them have to be a JRPG)
KH
Forspoken
Ys Origin (3 MCs, one magic staff, one axe, one claws)
ff9
Called a Thief Sword in game though.
Growlanser 2 guy uses a ring that turns into a scythe
The entire Digimon franchise.
Final Fantasy IX.
A fricking mirror (and magic)
final fantasy 9
Dark souls
Memes aside, what were Falcom thinking with Estelle's gameplay? Like she very clearly sucks and doesn't match up with how the story portrays her. She needs a huge STR boost at least.
>JRPG
>Caring about what player uses as a weapon
??? What's the point, you will press X and he will do awesome anyways. There is no mechanical difference between a sword, a gun, a bow, a staff etc.
>RPG has multiple weapons
>Sword is the best and has the support
But enough about CRPGs
Jokes on you, I don't play RPGs of any kind.
Yes, tell me how Dante's Rebellion is totally same as Cavaliere or Nevan?
>Press X to awesome
>Devil trigger
Yes.
Devil Trigger isn't a weapon.
It is
How is it press X to awesome even if you think it's a weapon? It just gives you hyperarmor, more armor and more damage. You need to do the moves yourself.
you think action games are any different in that regard?
That's literally every game ever
fail thread
but anon, startropics IS a nintendo game. my pic is on a nintendo console, but not a nintendo game.
Kite from .Hack
Persona 5?
Kingdom Hearts
Frick the Nintendo clause.
Stella glow protagonist uses a conductors baton that's a metaphor for his penis.
Septerra Core
But the mc chick uses a gun.
Also that game likes fricking mazes, they did them just to pad out the playtime and I would be fine without them.
Also it's a western RPG.
What about a sword gun?
Yakuza Like a Dragon. He fights with his mental illness.
Doesn't that mean everyone Persona is also okay?
With Persona, there's no question that characters are using their preferred weapon whenever they get into combat. In new Yakuza, it's explained that we're seeing the MCs delusions playing out whenever there's a transition to turned-based. We can assume he's using a bat, but who the frick knows.
>We can assume he's using a bat, but who the frick knows.
The bat is canon since it's still around in 8. Adachi and Nanba comment on being disappointed that he was using it as a clothes hanger despite it being his partner.
>JRPG
>MC canonically uses a gun
game?
Rudy from Wild Arms
Resonance of Fate
>MC literally shot up his school
Why is Japan like this
Not only did he shoot up his school, he got away with it. AND he got the girl.
It's a game that's a Japanese take on Christian radical forgiveness so it needed an unforgivable hero.
FF8
Persona 2 EP
SMT Strange Journey
he's the real MC of the game
>gun
>reading comphrension
who am i kidding, you un(you)'d your post and unwatched the thread
So does the character you posted who is very prominently holding a gun in the picture not use a gun?
Does the post he replied to not exist in your dimension? Should I be burning incense and drawing a salt circle around my router?
Metal Fricking Max.
What is this box art? What is this? Is the girl a seat for the motorcycle?
Yes
Soul Hackers
Digital Devil Saga
FF13
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Atelier Lydie & Suelle. Honestly it's kind of surprising more alchemist MCs don't use guns. It's a pretty natural pairing.
Parasite Eve 1?
What Nintendo rpg? It's just the mario ones
Chrono Cross's MC has the coolest weapon ever invented, and it came before Phantom Menace.
Etrian Odyssey Untold
Suikoden 5.
OP BTFO
Hopefully he killed himself
20+ Atelier.
Blue Reflection? More of a question because I only did the prologue before getting distracted by Skyrim.
Chrono Cross
What are some good JRPGs where the MC is a magic user?
There's Bravely Second, you can freely swap classes but MC is more geared towards magic for once.
What are you getting at?
Gameplay pushes her towards using whips, but the story just depicts her using plants to attack.
hands down the best jrpg to ever exist. kino choice anon
I need to get back into it. I left off a couple weeks ago in the sewers about to take down Najezta's brother. I did the sidequest that destroyed the Bad End dungeon, and my party is so powerful at this point that the combat's become a bit boring. But I still want to see how the story goes.
as good as it is at that point, it gets even better. and you will get to a point where something happens that might make you want to stop playing, but you have to power through it, because i promise it will be worth it. absolute kino awaits you
I'll pick it back up, then. Just needed a reason.
>Main character starts off using a shovel
>Switches to moronic-looking guns after the intro
I knew what series I was playing, but I was still disappointed.
it's not a sword, it's a tachi
MC uses a trumpet
Caligula effect 2
The protag uses twin daggers or her legs, lets be real, you picked the tall female version over the mafia manlet
also for those that played the original
heart eyes Wicked returns as a boss fight if you kill certain characters and cause a bad ending.
Trails in the Sky. Estelle uses a Staff.
It's debatable who the real protagonist of FF Type-0 is, but Ace is the poster child (like Terra is for VI) and he exclusively uses playing cards.
How do you kill with a card? Is it like gambit from X-man or does he use them like yu-gi-oh cards and casts spells and summons with them?
Pretty much exactly like Gambit with a side of Setzer's slot mechanics from FFVI. He's a mage and throws magically-charged cards at enemies. He's also able to change the spells he casts if he draws cards of specific colors.
Even if you were to consider Machina the protagonist, that dude has some screw-shaped mini-lances that can spin like fricking drills and he uses them more like clubs most of the time.
That's just one of many weapons they happened to use for the render, all of which fall under the category of Rapiers, also known as Swords.
Racing Lagoon
Car.
Her main weapon is emotional trauma and cutesy necromancy.
nah her main weapon is a tree
jar>crystal>tree
How dare you
Main dude in Growlanser 2 used a scythe, his only weapon.
No Delivery
You can throw garbage at people if you play as waitress.
Game: Death Stranding
Dedicated Weapon: Baby
Tokyo Xanadu protagonist has some kind of bladed shield whip monstrosity.
It's a lantern shield.
Final Fantasy VIII
What's a JRPG anyway?
Essentially, any RPG that follows the conventions of Dragon Quest, which was created primarily as a means to translate older RPGs like Ultima and Wizardry into something that would work on consoles and appeal to Japanese audiences. Rather than just being "an RPG made in Japan," JRPGs are iterating on a different common ancestor than western RPGs, which have their origins more closely tied to tabletop games like Dungeons and Dragons.
>any RPG that follows the conventions of Dragon Quest,
You're cutting out the majority of jrpgs with that definition you jackass. Whether you like it or not a JRPG is just an RPG made in Japan meaning games like fire emblem, disgaea, dark souls, kingdom hearts, pokemon, Yokai Watch and so on all fall under that label.
What kind of idiot do you have to be to think like that when WRPG doesn't follow that common ancestor logic? No one would hesitate to call Wizardry or Fallout New Vegas WRPGs and they couldn't be any more different.
In other words, WRPG and JRPG aren't actual genres.
JRPG is an actual genre, it's just closer to a literary genre than a game genre. It's about what tropes the game devs use for their characters more than it is about the specifics of the gameplay.
Horror games are a similar genre in that regard.
>it's just closer to a literary genre than a game genre.
No. Not in the slightest. Again, it's just an rpg made in Japan, unless you're going to try and make literary connections between Elden Ring, Mother, Kingdom Hearts and Shadow Hearts. Granted I haven't played Shadow Hearts in years so I don't quite remember the plot but I digress.
Smarter people than you have tried and failed anon.
>Horror games are a similar genre in that regard.
That's because horror is an actual genre that relies on suspense and fear, they're integral parts to the atmosphere in general regardless of what medium it is be it game, movie or book.
You can't say the same about JRPGs because they aren't a genre
>I haven't played Shadow Hearts in years so I don't quite remember the plot
Guy read a book, went insane, tried to contact god, succeeded, god drops by to destroy the world, protag kills god.
ah, you're one of those morons who calls Souls games RPGs just to win arguments online. While Action JRPGs do exist, souls games are not one of them. You probably call Zelda games JRPGs too don't you? Always funny when gays like you say "it's not actually a genre because I apply it so broadly beyond its scope that i can't recognize it as a genre anymore".
I bet you think Kingdom Hearts isn't an RPG either
Well, I called Yakuza games JRPGs before 7 came out and it used to make people REALLY mad.
>While Action JRPGs do exist, souls games are not one of them.
Change souls to a turn based rpg and how is it any different then something like Etrian.
>Always funny when gays like you say "it's not actually a genre because I apply it so broadly beyond its scope that i can't recognize it as a genre anymore".
It's almost as if it was never genre in the first place. But let me ask you this, genres have themes, tropes, settings etc that tie them together, now, if you're confident in your belief you'll be able to tell us what elements all jrpgs have to make it a genre.
Nah it's like spaghetti western, they have a lot of incidental commonalities but fundamentally it means a western movie created by mostly italians
How is this not a sword?
it's a gun with a handle on it, the closest thing you can call it is a bayonet
He used it like a sword.
The gun part is there to enhance the cutting power of the blade.
It's a fancy sword.
An RPG made in Japan.
Kingdom Hearts
Neku and Rindo from The World Ends with You.
atelier sophie
Growlanser 2
Shadow Heart: From a New World's Johnny
easy
Disgaea 4
It's just one fist :^)
Trails in the Sky.
Here's your weapon bro. It can punch, shoot blades, shoot fire, shoot lightning, shoot beams and can be used as a shield.
Suikoden 1, 2 and 5.
Shadow Hearts: Yuri punches shit and Johnny uses knives.
Xenogears: Fei punches shit.
Xenosaga: Shion has a mechanical swiss army knife robot fist thing.
man, Shadow Hearts lives in its own cursed little corner of my mind
I found that burned onto a blank disc buried in a spindle of totally legitimate PS2 games when I was _9 and played it in the wee hours of the morning in the dark
All I can remember is the QTE wheel in combat and a nasty looking village, something about an unconscious girl's panties, and the goddamn battle track burned into my brain
>oooo OOOOoOOoooo
They're very good games. The first and second have the stronger story but the third game refines the battle system to a perfect balance. Final boss is a rape machine and totally fair.
>Final boss is a rape machine and totally fair.
Fair in the "I didn't grind as much as I should have, and now I have been fighting Harihara for the past 97 minutes" kind of way, or in the "this clearly feels overtuned and like the director has a seething revulsion for the fans" kind of way?
Second game had the bad habit of inserting jokes at the most inopportune of moments.
I don't know, but I'm quite certain that counts as a gun
Earthbound
Trials of Mana, anyone who isn't Duran or Kevin.
final fantasy 1
main characters can all be black mages
You can make them all white images too but you'll still be a Black person