It's stated in control that him being a filmmaker IS the truth. It's implied that its untrue because Jesse remembers him being a poet. Parautilitarians like her, Alan, Saga, and the Old Gods are immune to the rewrites impacting their memories.
Do you know what the word stated means? A character directly states that Tom being a filmmaker is the truth. You as an audience member are meant to deduce that it is false.
So what's the whole connection with Alan Wake and Control? I haven't played AW2 and I probably won't for another handful of years for reasons. I still will eventually, spoiled or not.
the FBC show up in of Alan Wake 2 and help Saga fight the big bad, while Alan is in The Dark Place he sees transmissions from Jesse and Dr. Darling. Did you play the AWE DLC for Control?
He is a filmmaker now. He retconned his own past. Jesse remembers it differently, because the retcon didn't fully affect her.
As for why, that's still unclear. Maybe there are meta reasons Remedy changed or maybe it'll be explained in Alan Wake 3.
No you moron, if Jesse doesn't remember it that means the retcon was that he is a filmmaker. OG Tom is most likely a poet since that is what those unaffacted by the retcon remember. Him being a fillmaker is most likely a change done by Scratch since he was trapped in a movie at the end of American Nightmare and Alan can only find scratch by going inside of movie and TV screens.
Do you know what the word stated means? A character directly states that Tom being a filmmaker is the truth. You as an audience member are meant to deduce that it is false.
and another character states that that's wrong and that him being a poet is the truth, you arent very bright
The events at Bright Falls are considered an AWE (Altered World Event). An AWE is just a supernatural or paranormal happening. Alan may have then written a bunch of paranormal happenings or AWEs into the world during his escape attempts. This may also include the events of Control itself. It is pretty vague just how much impact Alan has on Control. He either wrote the whole events into existence or just portions.
the FBC show up in of Alan Wake 2 and help Saga fight the big bad, while Alan is in The Dark Place he sees transmissions from Jesse and Dr. Darling. Did you play the AWE DLC for Control?
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No you moron, if Jesse doesn't remember it that means the retcon was that he is a filmmaker. OG Tom is most likely a poet since that is what those unaffacted by the retcon remember. Him being a fillmaker is most likely a change done by Scratch since he was trapped in a movie at the end of American Nightmare and Alan can only find scratch by going inside of movie and TV screens.
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and another character states that that's wrong and that him being a poet is the truth, you arent very bright
Jesse later says she was wrong about Tom being a poet in the AWE expansion. She says something along the lines of "Thomas Zane the poet, no wait he's a filmmaker, I always mix that up."
only because other people kept telling her he was a filmmaker and she is unaware of reality being rewritte / that she is unaffacted by it. she was essentially gaslit by people who had their memories replaced. the biggest tell is that in Alan Wake 1, he is a poet, him being a filmmaker only happens after American Nightmare where Scratch is captured inside of a movie, so of course Scratch via Wake rewrites to give himself a Tom The Filmmaker persona (as seen in the hotel in Alan Wake 2) so that he can get himself out of the movie
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It's not wrong you low IQ simpletons the spiral motif literally represents a fricking film reel and the spiral is in the backdrop on a canvas the first time you see Tom in his cutscene, his role as "filmmaker" is akin to him being "god" or master of that realm, you shouldn't be taking the story so literally
nah, you're being moronic, it is a spiral, and sure it is structured like a movie, but thats because Scratch gave himself the persona of Tom the Filmmaker so that he could control the dark place.
We see a "Tom the Poet" movie poster in Alan's premonition before the events of Alan Wake. Him being a filmmaker definitely happens before American Nightmare, even if only there.
>We see a "Tom the Poet" movie poster in Alan's premonition before the events of Alan Wake
when? how do we see anything before the events of Alan Wake when it is the earliest point in the story that Alan exists? What are you even talking about.
His premonition dream that functions as the tutorial.
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interesting, was this in the original or added in the remaster? never caught this and lends a lot to the idea that I dismissed earlier that he was a filmmaker before--though that one poster in Alan Wake 2 calls him The Auteur and mentions how the personas of Poet, Filmmaker, Writer and Rhymer are all shadow selves.
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That version of the poster is unique to the remaster. In the original it looks like the poster from American Nightmare IIRC but it is still for the Tom the Poet movie.
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cool, good memory / eye anon, I dont thnk ive seen anyone else ever mention this anywhere online
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Only ever noticed it when watching my friend replay Alan Wake before he plays Alan Wake 2. It leads me to believe that Tom was a filmmaker, then he created a poet persona for himself that became real to some extent, and then that persona made Alan's clicker page. Perhaps Tom the Diver from AW1 is the Poet, while Thomas Zane in AW2 is the original. Or that theory about Zane in AW2 being Mr. Scratch is correct. Its all very confusing when everyone looks the same lmao.
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interesting, was this in the original or added in the remaster? never caught this and lends a lot to the idea that I dismissed earlier that he was a filmmaker before--though that one poster in Alan Wake 2 calls him The Auteur and mentions how the personas of Poet, Filmmaker, Writer and Rhymer are all shadow selves.
Also worth mentioning is that there is a Thomas Zane novel in the cabin before Alice gets yeeted into the lake and Alan comments that he doesn't recognise the name or some shit
It's all part of Sam Lake's plan, he shows Alice getting into filmmaking in AW2 because using her power as a filmmaker she will be able to rival Tom in AW3 and save Alan from the Dark Place
My overarching theory is that AW3 will end on a DARK S3 reveal that the "real" world wasn't even the real world either
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Alan has to Gurren Lagann his way to the real world with pure artistic spirit? Spiral and all? I'm thinking kino.
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That's a lotta pressure to put on bargain bin Stephen King
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The Zane trio (Filmmaker, Poet, Diver) are just Alan learning more about other artforms through separate personas. He will fuse with them and gain true artistic power.
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is diving an art
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In a cosmic sort of sense
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the one thing the manuscript pages in alan wake 1 and 2 have shown is that alan is capable of being a good writer when he needs to be
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interesting, what would the real world be then? like would even the prelude story about Tom and Barbara in a pocket universe be fake? would Door be real or fake as well?
He is a filmmaker now. He retconned his own past. Jesse remembers it differently, because the retcon didn't fully affect her.
As for why, that's still unclear. Maybe there are meta reasons Remedy changed or maybe it'll be explained in Alan Wake 3.
He's a filmmaker and the dark place is metaphysically structured like a film reel, it's one of his films, all the hints are there, and Control already establishes that projector slides can be different realms so film reels can too
No he isnt you moron, once again him being a filmmaker is a CHANGE to reality that is ignored by those who are able to be unaffected by the dark place, like Jesse and Alan
at no point does Alan go into "different realms" in Alan Wake 2 outside of The Dark Place and reality. Your entire post is wrong
It's not wrong you low IQ simpletons the spiral motif literally represents a fricking film reel and the spiral is in the backdrop on a canvas the first time you see Tom in his cutscene, his role as "filmmaker" is akin to him being "god" or master of that realm, you shouldn't be taking the story so literally
Actual answer is that Sam Lake wanted to use filmmaking as a storytelling device because of his own interest in film so he turned Zane into a filmmaker to self-insert. In-game though Zane is treated as both poet and filmmaker what with "Poet's Cinema" and how a film reel effect happens whenever you solve one of the riddle poems.
Doesn't explain the Tom the Poet movie poster in AW1.
Only ever noticed it when watching my friend replay Alan Wake before he plays Alan Wake 2. It leads me to believe that Tom was a filmmaker, then he created a poet persona for himself that became real to some extent, and then that persona made Alan's clicker page. Perhaps Tom the Diver from AW1 is the Poet, while Thomas Zane in AW2 is the original. Or that theory about Zane in AW2 being Mr. Scratch is correct. Its all very confusing when everyone looks the same lmao.
Well really none of these games actually make sense. Like nobody has a coherent theory of everything for any of them. Even on its own merits before AW2, AW1 was a clusterfrick that seemingly contradicted itself often and was hard to form a coherent interpretation of free from problems. It's pretty much a "make your own fun" kind of writing style.
All of you need to watch Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. That's what has inspired the Alan Wake/Tom Zane relationship since the very start. They are the same person but also not the same person.
it's stated in Control that him being a filmmaker isn't true.
He was rewritten by Alan I guess
It's stated in control that him being a filmmaker IS the truth. It's implied that its untrue because Jesse remembers him being a poet. Parautilitarians like her, Alan, Saga, and the Old Gods are immune to the rewrites impacting their memories.
You are contradicting yourself, Jesse remembering him as a poet means he isnt a filmmaker, moron
Do you know what the word stated means? A character directly states that Tom being a filmmaker is the truth. You as an audience member are meant to deduce that it is false.
There's no real reliability to who remembers what because there's no consistency to who remembers Tom as a poet and who identifies Alan as Tom
So what's the whole connection with Alan Wake and Control? I haven't played AW2 and I probably won't for another handful of years for reasons. I still will eventually, spoiled or not.
the FBC show up in of Alan Wake 2 and help Saga fight the big bad, while Alan is in The Dark Place he sees transmissions from Jesse and Dr. Darling. Did you play the AWE DLC for Control?
No you moron, if Jesse doesn't remember it that means the retcon was that he is a filmmaker. OG Tom is most likely a poet since that is what those unaffacted by the retcon remember. Him being a fillmaker is most likely a change done by Scratch since he was trapped in a movie at the end of American Nightmare and Alan can only find scratch by going inside of movie and TV screens.
and another character states that that's wrong and that him being a poet is the truth, you arent very bright
The events at Bright Falls are considered an AWE (Altered World Event). An AWE is just a supernatural or paranormal happening. Alan may have then written a bunch of paranormal happenings or AWEs into the world during his escape attempts. This may also include the events of Control itself. It is pretty vague just how much impact Alan has on Control. He either wrote the whole events into existence or just portions.
Jesse later says she was wrong about Tom being a poet in the AWE expansion. She says something along the lines of "Thomas Zane the poet, no wait he's a filmmaker, I always mix that up."
only because other people kept telling her he was a filmmaker and she is unaware of reality being rewritte / that she is unaffacted by it. she was essentially gaslit by people who had their memories replaced. the biggest tell is that in Alan Wake 1, he is a poet, him being a filmmaker only happens after American Nightmare where Scratch is captured inside of a movie, so of course Scratch via Wake rewrites to give himself a Tom The Filmmaker persona (as seen in the hotel in Alan Wake 2) so that he can get himself out of the movie
nah, you're being moronic, it is a spiral, and sure it is structured like a movie, but thats because Scratch gave himself the persona of Tom the Filmmaker so that he could control the dark place.
We see a "Tom the Poet" movie poster in Alan's premonition before the events of Alan Wake. Him being a filmmaker definitely happens before American Nightmare, even if only there.
>We see a "Tom the Poet" movie poster in Alan's premonition before the events of Alan Wake
when? how do we see anything before the events of Alan Wake when it is the earliest point in the story that Alan exists? What are you even talking about.
His premonition dream that functions as the tutorial.
interesting, was this in the original or added in the remaster? never caught this and lends a lot to the idea that I dismissed earlier that he was a filmmaker before--though that one poster in Alan Wake 2 calls him The Auteur and mentions how the personas of Poet, Filmmaker, Writer and Rhymer are all shadow selves.
That version of the poster is unique to the remaster. In the original it looks like the poster from American Nightmare IIRC but it is still for the Tom the Poet movie.
cool, good memory / eye anon, I dont thnk ive seen anyone else ever mention this anywhere online
Only ever noticed it when watching my friend replay Alan Wake before he plays Alan Wake 2. It leads me to believe that Tom was a filmmaker, then he created a poet persona for himself that became real to some extent, and then that persona made Alan's clicker page. Perhaps Tom the Diver from AW1 is the Poet, while Thomas Zane in AW2 is the original. Or that theory about Zane in AW2 being Mr. Scratch is correct. Its all very confusing when everyone looks the same lmao.
Also worth mentioning is that there is a Thomas Zane novel in the cabin before Alice gets yeeted into the lake and Alan comments that he doesn't recognise the name or some shit
It's all part of Sam Lake's plan, he shows Alice getting into filmmaking in AW2 because using her power as a filmmaker she will be able to rival Tom in AW3 and save Alan from the Dark Place
this is actually plausible
My overarching theory is that AW3 will end on a DARK S3 reveal that the "real" world wasn't even the real world either
Alan has to Gurren Lagann his way to the real world with pure artistic spirit? Spiral and all? I'm thinking kino.
That's a lotta pressure to put on bargain bin Stephen King
The Zane trio (Filmmaker, Poet, Diver) are just Alan learning more about other artforms through separate personas. He will fuse with them and gain true artistic power.
is diving an art
In a cosmic sort of sense
the one thing the manuscript pages in alan wake 1 and 2 have shown is that alan is capable of being a good writer when he needs to be
interesting, what would the real world be then? like would even the prelude story about Tom and Barbara in a pocket universe be fake? would Door be real or fake as well?
Mr. Scratch wants to cast the world into a dark age: eternal DeerFest.
Don't worry about it Alan, have another drink
He is a filmmaker now. He retconned his own past. Jesse remembers it differently, because the retcon didn't fully affect her.
As for why, that's still unclear. Maybe there are meta reasons Remedy changed or maybe it'll be explained in Alan Wake 3.
He's a filmmaker and the dark place is metaphysically structured like a film reel, it's one of his films, all the hints are there, and Control already establishes that projector slides can be different realms so film reels can too
No he isnt you moron, once again him being a filmmaker is a CHANGE to reality that is ignored by those who are able to be unaffected by the dark place, like Jesse and Alan
It's not wrong you low IQ simpletons the spiral motif literally represents a fricking film reel and the spiral is in the backdrop on a canvas the first time you see Tom in his cutscene, his role as "filmmaker" is akin to him being "god" or master of that realm, you shouldn't be taking the story so literally
at no point does Alan go into "different realms" in Alan Wake 2 outside of The Dark Place and reality. Your entire post is wrong
Tom made a movie where he was a poet
The real red pill is the grandmaster being alice
Actual answer is that Sam Lake wanted to use filmmaking as a storytelling device because of his own interest in film so he turned Zane into a filmmaker to self-insert. In-game though Zane is treated as both poet and filmmaker what with "Poet's Cinema" and how a film reel effect happens whenever you solve one of the riddle poems.
Doesn't explain the Tom the Poet movie poster in AW1.
Well really none of these games actually make sense. Like nobody has a coherent theory of everything for any of them. Even on its own merits before AW2, AW1 was a clusterfrick that seemingly contradicted itself often and was hard to form a coherent interpretation of free from problems. It's pretty much a "make your own fun" kind of writing style.
Is Tom villan? or He just want to get out?
All of you need to watch Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive. That's what has inspired the Alan Wake/Tom Zane relationship since the very start. They are the same person but also not the same person.