>raptor strike not working properly >other melee from rune not working properly
its bad because hunters other stuff isnt working great and blizzard doesnt do sensible nerfs, they nerf damage by like 60-70% then call it a day.
Because hunters don't have shit now besides going BM spec because their melee runes are bugged or incredibly undertuned while warlock are chunking people for most of their health and other classes (besides rogues) have incredibly broken things to use. It's essentially just vanilla BM spec now
i was not expecting hunters to be rogue tier in terms of how the runes pan out, i thought rogues would be their own little subclass of mediocre. its weird to me they buff warlocks as much as they did when they were already insane in classic.
As someone who played a hunter, it was 100% warranted. That spell was insanely overtuned. It makes me wonder how the frick they didn't instantly catch that during internal testing.
You people are literal filth. They are making you pay them to test. ANd overtuned? You don't change the entire dynamic of how an ability works with a hotfix you backwater Black person. No company does that except Blizzard not a single one. You don't change how something works in a fricking hotfix. Do you have any alternatives for us to use? Chimera shot was nerfed and thats the only other ability they can even use. What melee spec? Those abilities don't even function properly. You morons are below even Bethesdagays. The slop you eat up is horrendous shit and you even ask for seconds every year. At least Wrath/Cata are finished products so the balance is already done (And by better employees from the late 2000s no less.
One of the main reasons I dipped out of WoW is that they took all survivability away from hunters in the 2nd xpac.
Viper sting being on a 15 second cooldown and cleansable by paladins along with paladins able to super speed catch up?
Hunter's mark utterly worthless on any stealth class as they can cleanse it?
Blizzard has always hated the hunter class.
If I remember right druids could cleanse viper sting just by shifting forms but don't quote me on that.
And you could be correct about the Paladins but they did put viper sting on a 15 second cooldown making it impossible for the kiting class to actually kite anyone using mana.
>literally a 80% nerf
why would I lie to you anon? The shit blizzard pulls off is more unbelievably stupid than anything I could come up with anyway >Healing is by far the most difficult role followed by tank and thats just a fact.
Depends on the people you're playing with, if they're good tanking is harder and if they're bad healing is harder.
>Depends on the people you're playing with, if they're good tanking is harder and if they're bad healing is harder.
That's true, but overall being a healer especially in Vanilla was extremely challenging. Which is fun, keeps the game fresh.
6 months ago
Anonymous
On average healing gets harder, sure. And if you go above and beyond into world first territory then healing wraps around to being the hardest again despite playing with good people. Mainly because you usually play undergeared and with 1 less healer than the content is intended for
It got "nerfed" so you cant pull 50 mobs and arcane explosion them while healing to full every cast. Its still the best healing spec in BFD right now, just not insane for solo AoE farming anymore.
kek and I was unironically thinking of playing WoW for the first time the other day rather than just playing in a single player private server with bots.
An AST XIV like class where you DPS and heal at the same time was right up my alley but I guess WoW devs are just too moronic for that.
Frick I hate myself for going back but I have to admit they got it right this time. The new abilities and runes add a lot without losing the authentic classic comfiness.
Bahahaha beautiful. You just know blizzcucks are just going to either mindlessly grind for hours and hours for some fotm bullshit that's gonna die off in a couple months.. or just buy gold from the same people botting that they claim are ruining the game.
he's complaining that one powerful rune requires interaction with other systems in the game instead of just existing for him to collect as soon as possible
you are actively playing the game while trying to go for the rune. if you think any of the steps are chores before being allowed to play the game, then PLEASE quit.
6 months ago
Anonymous
This is why the game is bleeding subs, people ask blizzard to fix their shit and instead get told to quit because blizzard can't do anything wrong
So they quit, and the game gets even worse because it's full of sycophants. Ask the people who quit why they don't want to play, not the people who are playing why they keep playing. Something something planes and bullet holes.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>fix their shit
what shit needs to be fixed? thinking that playing the game and working towards a new power is actually bad because you can't play with the power right now?
6 months ago
Anonymous
If it was just a small damage increase, sure. They shouldn't lock the tank runes behind annoying/long/expensive quests because that'll just make the tank drought worse than ever since less people rolled warriors thinking they could tank on other classes. They're actively fricking people over by doing this.
6 months ago
Anonymous
i personally think that's funny.
if your only goal for playing SoD is purely "what's the freshest new gameplay" then yes I could see some people being disappointed that they can't warlock tank within 10 hours. but they're playing world of warcraft, and there's more to it than just pressing buttons to slap down a couple of polygons to receive shiny polygons.
i definitely prefer the approach of having the really enticing interesting shit to be hidden somewhere for people to search for.
however, they should fix mob tagging (graying mobs should only happen after 5 people have hit it) and quest item drop rates at the LEAST.
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's tank players being frustrated that they are either forced to play dps or forced back onto warriors to tank. Sure you can reduce it down to "fresh new gameplay" but that's the entire point of sod. People paid $15 for classic + but they end up not getting the +.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>forced back onto warriors to tank.
a warlock with voidwalker can still tank (not the raid probably, but they still get a mitigation tool early on, and drain life dot is pretty busted)
a shaman can tank (just experienced this, went really well)
a druid can tank
a paladin can tank
if people are mad that they can't experience the + without the classic, then yes they will have a bad time but i don't care. this isn't for them and they can go play some other video game. besides, most likely the servers will die and nothing you did will have mattered, but the point was to have fun playing a 20 year old game with weird twists that you need to go look for instead of being handed to you on a silver platter.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>this isn't for them and they can go play some other video game
yeah that's probably what's going to happen, and then people are going to cry about there being nobody to play with just like every other version of wow
6 months ago
Anonymous
i won't be 🙂
6 months ago
Anonymous
Quitting while the population is at its peak is the best play for sure
6 months ago
Anonymous
>a warlock with voidwalker can still tank
The problem with that is that your fricking wand generates more threat than the voidwalker with its 'taunt' on autocast and none of the existing runes will allow you to survive for long. Until we get the metamorphosis rune it's not going to work.
Druids and paladins could always tank.
6 months ago
Anonymous
No thats kino Black person. Long ass quest lines are the best fricking part of wow.
I'm actually mad one of the mage runes is a whole ass quest line for horde but just a random drop for Ally.
6 months ago
Anonymous
the random drops are bad, but so are the rep-gated ones. they should be questlines or rewards for exploration, not just arbitrary grinds
I dont even feel pitty for the wowgays anymore. its like seeing a meth zombie on the street. maybe they were once human beings but now they are just husks
It never ceases to amaze me how many people come into threads for a game they hate to deride people in exactly the same way. For people who are calling others drones - they sure are pretty drone-like.
Why is every homosexual zoomer using the word deride instead of derail like a normal motherfricker? SAY THE WORD RIGHT YOU wiener SUCKING homosexual KID
>YOU ARE A PAYPIG IF YOU STILL PLAY RETAIL! IMAGINE GIVING MONEY TO SHITZZARD >WOW BLIZZY IS SO BACK SISTERS! CLASSIC WITH RETAIL FEATURES!??!? TAKE ALL MY MONEY BLIZZY!
As a warlock my runes so far have been pretty thematic, besides the starter "there are runes now" quest >thaw a murloc (every class with fire damage does this) >eat a cursed cake >offer blood at a site of dark power then return to the SW trainer >offer a pure soul shard and tainted soul shard to the new dealer in goldshire >found an ominous tome, collected reagents and summoned a mini doom guard to kill
Metamorphosis still hasn't been found which is annoying, at this rate I'll only be able to tank in the raid
The Paladin runes I’ve found have been really cool and thematic, aside from one which was just read a book in an inn.
>Cleanse a corpse in a cave together with another Paladin or priest to help it pass on >Purify a poisoned adventurer outside gnomeregan >beat up a drunk disturbing the peace in a tavern in Stormwind >Track down a trainee Paladin who left the Stormwind cathedral, is found on a small island between Duskwood and Elwynn, gives you a rune that damages you in return for large hits and talks about “a taste of another path”
Really feeds into the sort of religious vigilante that paladins sort of feel like.
Maybe, but some classes (especially in Classic) were always inherently more thematic than others.
Warriors we’re just “guy with sword” until like Legion where they became some sort of armored Diablo barbarian, which sucks. Same with how Rogues got such an evil theme around that time instead of mainly being trickster adventurers.
This is literally it. Players are so hyper conditioned to followed only one route when leveling that they can't take fricking 15 minutes to look in a cave.
because there are like 4 guys actually going out and looking for things in the game and 90221 guys who are obsessively watching discord for updates while doing nothing themselves
i've been trying shit all day and so has everyone in my guild and i'm out of all ideas and so is basically everybody else on every server
the only thing left to do is kill literally every single mob in the game, drain soul every single mob in the game, sacrifice your pet on every single pixel of the game world, talk to every single npc, fish in every single fishable pixle and just randomly click on every single pixel in the entire world of the game and only the extreme autismos are going to do that
i still haven't played SoD because i'm visiting my mom for the weekend. Is there a server worth playing on not corrupted by streamers bullshits ? And will i be able to find dungeon group if i level a warlock or is there too many of them already ?
no, it's not like that at all, because vanilla didn't lock you out of playing specific class roles just because you didn't spend enough time arbitrarily grinding mobs. optional rare items, sure, but not literal class mechanics that are mandatory to certain roles. it would be fine if the discovery was integrated into the world and rewarded diligent exploration, not just mindlessly grinding mobs in the hope that you don't miss something vital
i have never met someone ingame who didn't use questie. don't pretend missing markers are good thing.when literally 100% of the player base prefers to have them.
As a warlock the only rune I wouldn't have found myself would be the one that requires you to soul drain a critter because why would I do that. The rest you can just find playing the game the way you normally would.
>vanilla bosses die in 15 seconds >no issue tanking them with CDs up >sod bosses die in 3 minutes >will die quickly once CDs run out (and can't get them back with prep in this phase)
vanilla bosses have lower hp and damage than sod bosses. Main issue is still the lack of prep this phase since you can't get your evasion cooldown back. Honestly the entire tank rogue idea is torn between combat and sub for their defensive utilities meaning talent points are very premium which sucks at such an early level. Probably viable at max, especially with new sod gear but let others tank at 25
idk why thye whent with tank rogue idea. I winder if thye did it because turtle wow got popular. it would be funny if thats the case because turtle wow devs hate rogues and gave them shitty tanky skills as a frick you. even nerfed a new rogue farm that developed that was like 100g an hour and 100g an hour isnt anything special in classic.
6 months ago
Anonymous
They probably just want more people to try tanking since nobody wants to play tank. Especially in classic where there are very few good tanks, all the new classes added to the game afterwards (except for the dragons) have had tank specs for a reason.
Possibly. Even with Runes, Warriors are missing a lot of key talents and abilities at 25. However, Warriors always scale really hard with gear because of how Rage works and how good their stat efficiency is. So they might still end up incredibly jacked from BFD gear.
Tank druids are the best tanks in phase 1 but the tank rune will cost you a lot of gold so hope you're prepared
Feral dps is the only windfury on alliance and the only phase 1 windfury on horde so they'll see play for now
Balance dps is good in pvp with how spammable their spells are
bears blow warriors outta the frickin water at low level/low gear levels. it's unbelievable how much better bears are until warriors start getting bwl gear.
>Blizzard gives Asmongold a pass in the RP-PVP server >starts banning people that reported him
kek blizzard loves its streamers, even when the streamers make fun of WoW and its community
>open wow stream >they're just walking from point a to b >or spamming 1 1 1 1 1
It's like I'm watching my boomer parents watch TV asking to get their brains smoothened. It's only a matter of time until every Wow player starts talking about how uhhhh it's just the age that's why learning things is hard and oh yea my back hurts hehe age gets everyone right bros.
>asking to get their brains smoothened
THats what it is. Its almost hypnotic and trancelike, soothing and familiar virtual retirement home for the boomers
it's soulless. it literally just feels like you're levelling with wrath/cata tier toolkits, but with less qol and a clunkier ui. it's just retail wearing vanilla's skin. people gaslit themselves into believing it was just the jank that made classic good, but that was never the point.
It's literally just vanilla with some shitty retail abilities tacked on. I don't even know why.
Who the frick played vanilla and thought "you know what hunters need at lvl 10? Explosive shot and chimera shot and 30% more damage on pets!" Like did the mentally moronic retail devs play vanilla bland think it was too hard? What the frick is the point?
Blizzard realized if they made the runes cost straight up gold instead of having to do some quest to find them they can milk players for even more money
For the record, Classic servers are worse than even the least legitimate private servers where it counts, and while SoD does at least something unique whatsoever, I don't think runes are good: they don't fix shit talents (on that count, you'd get more bang for your buck simply having level-locked TBC or Wrath) or other vanilla jank, the way they are implemented nor the powers - excepting stuff like thunder clap usable in defensive stance which again begs the question why not just run TBC/Wrath talents - they grant absolutely don't adhere to legacy-WoW design principles (indeed, they're kinda like post-MoP talents except implemented in weird loaned power sort of way rather than being a natural part of character progression), and they increase power levels dramatically when content is designed for vastly lower power.
But putting that aside, I think the biggest point isn't the runes per se but level-locked content: most veteran players have done endgame-relevant dungeons, perhaps even raids despite their weekly lockouts, hundreds of times. But content like BFD perhaps mere dozens, if that. Level-locking content, a trick that has been done by some private servers, vitalizes large parts of content that otherwise don't see much play, and I think that's perfectly sensible. Like, it's often perceived that only the latest patch content being relevant is a problem, but the vertical progression mechanics involved in leveling have pretty much the exact same impact on supermajority of content. After all, legacy-WoW isn't just about running Molten Bore and since in blizzlike dungeons are a trap option but people remember them fondly: there's lots of opportunities to make the game more "authentic" in exchange of losing strict mechanical accuracy, and that does something to the effect.
>vocal minority cares about SoD >hurr What happened to classicgays hating class homogenisation but now they're happy durr
classicgays don't play on retail
classic players dont actually know what they like about it. they will claim its 1000 different things that make the game good while simultaneously not actually caring about those things as they buy gold and boosts to skip 99% of the game
Yep. >The overworld and quests are soo good! >*AOE farms dungeons/buys boosts* >Class identity was at its peak! >*stacks a raid with 30 warriors and rogues* >The PvP is so goooood! >*boss rushes in AV for 14 hours a day* >The raid are actually challenging! >*Farms world buffs for 2 hours to clear a raid in 30 minutes and log out for 7 days*
It's all so tiresome. Then they convince themselves it only turned to shit because of X or Y while happily doing the exact same thing again for the 200th time as soon as a fresh server comes out.
Classic gays are the most meta gays in denial i have ever seen. >I want to have fun specs >oh you want to be a ret paladin >lol ret can't dps >I want to have the community back >Spends entire WoW time talking in discord voice chat to the same 6 people.
wow really is no different. it's crack for washed up mentally ill boomers. and classic is so popular because they get filtered by the harder difficulty of later expansions.
Warlock is really the only "new" tank addition to Classic. Paladins and Druids were supposed to be effective tanks and Shaman tanking was a main idea left unfinished due to lack of time.
it wouldnt be that embarrassing if wasnt exactly the same people whining about muh "purist vanilla" experience and how shit modern wow is barely a few years ago, now gobble up this shit thats literally modern wow but even more lazily done
>start one-shotting mobs at level 2 >faceroll dungeons >enemy faction has you on farm as soon as you step into a contested zone >end game is a shit dungeon that everyone hated in the middle of nowhere
Same layout but the bosses are tuned for a 10-man and have some very very simple mechanics that will be extremely difficult for the average classic player.
WHERE IS THE FRICKING META RUNE
I HATE PEOPLE LET ME PLAY IN PEACE
I AM SITTING IN THE MOST REMOTE CORNERS GRINDING MOBS AND STILL FRICKING MULTIBOXERS AND BOTTERS CONTEND WITH EVERY KILL
I HATE HUMAN BEINGS SO MUCH
You can enter SM, a dungeon with level 40 mobs. Asking some people to group with you and kill a few level 30s shouldn't be an issue
I'm pretty sure at least one of them will have something for warlock
That's fairly complex, can you just show me where I swipe and directly get the gold?
6 months ago
Anonymous
you can just google any site to do it directly, but that's probably against the tos
The "legal" way is one step removed from a direct swipe but there's no risk of being banned
6 months ago
Anonymous
So there isn't a direct way to swipe for gold? You made it sound so easy but now you're adding on all these additional steps and conditions.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I guess even swiping is hard for wow players, no wonder you can't even keep your mothers alive
Your bait game is weak. Everyone knows that FFXIV is always online single player game.
see pic
6 months ago
Anonymous
>see pic
And goldbuying is bannable offence in wow, your point being? Reality doesn't correlate with what is written on the paper.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>And goldbuying is bannable offence in wow
No? They're literally selling gold themselves. They just call it "wow token"
6 months ago
Anonymous
Look, I can use google too to prove my point.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I mean we can do this all day but in the end I'm right and you're wrong
People did this back before classic had the token too
6 months ago
Anonymous
Now show me where the token is on Vanilla Classic. I am sure you can with your amazing google skills.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Why bring up vanilla classic out of nowhere anon? I said classic/retail.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Moving goalposts to win on Ganker
nta, but that is quite pathetic bro.
6 months ago
Anonymous
nta, but I know right? The guy bringing up another game that wasn't even mentioned before now is pretty sad
Don't the new abilities and things make open world questing braindead? Is there any danger at all, or is it just one-shotting one enemy after another while questing? That's exactly what retail turned into. I just want to explore and 'discover' stuff.
yeah basically. it feels the same as leveling in wotlk just with the shitty vanilla ui.
they did buff the mobs a little, so some of the classes that didn't get many changes are actually more challenging, like rogue. if you're into gimping yourself
I'm playing a mage and while I definitely notice a power increase because of the runes it really only makes fighting yellow-level mobs easier and maybe letting you pull 1.5 at a time now.
When this first released I thought it sounded like a knock off version of that stupid gimmick server ascension and then my friend told me Blizzard tried to shut them down and sue them but failed so it makes sense they'd release the exact same crap.
How do runes work, I'm still in Shadowglen as a NE Druid and apparently I need to find two Glade Flowers, make a flower crown and then throw it on a elite?
So moving past all of the misinformation, what I'm getting from this is that there is no wow token in season of discovery and blizzard claims that they will be stopping bots/gold sellers? (remains to be seen if they actually care to do so)
As with classic before they added the token to it, people can still buy a token and cash it in for gold and then just trade gold on retail for sod gold
This is not bannable since all you're doing is trading gold with no $ (directly) involved
Figure I should ask this here. So, if I were to start playing WoW, would I start at the beginning storyline (the one that was there when the game first released) and work up to the current expansion, or would the story start me at the current expiation itself? I'd very much like to start at the beginning (thought I know there are lore bits from the thee Warcraft games that will come up).
in retail it basically starts you at the BFA story line, with you washed up on exile's reach where it has some streamlined intro quests and a dungeon to get you to level 10.
After that you get flown to orgrimmar and you're given a choice of "timeline" meaning expansion to play in, you can change this choice at any time. Most people will choose the BFA timeline because that's the one blizzard highlights with a recommended title.
There's no way for you to slowly play through all the expansions 1 - 60 and actually absorb the lore, because you'll quickly out level everything especially if you dungeon queue. People typically do the intro, pick a timeline, then do a few expansion intro quests for massive exp while dungeon queuing all the way up to 60, then they do dragonflight.
Outside of those sets, the lore is rather sparce for connectivity except for the faction leaders. Blizzard has said before they work on 2-3 expanasions at a time and the lore reflects that. Just level a new character for each expansion set if you wanna know everything
paladins and warlocks are both bullshit OP tier. the downside to playing paladin is you are spamming abilities more than a rogue in combat now and its exhausting.
If there were more servers I'd agree with you but with 5 servers per region and each server only holding like 3k concurrent players it's not looking great...
>because zoomer content-pilled morons blaze through all of their entertainment with their adhd brains that need constant stimulation, the entirety of the playerbase will stop playing the 20 year old game
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's brand new though
6 months ago
Anonymous
>i only love NEW things, do not stop giving me NEW things or else everyone will stop playing immediately because they crave NEW things right this moment
6 months ago
Anonymous
that's what blizzard thinks at least considering their release pacing of these patches. I'm inclined to agree with them on this considering they have a lot of player data backing them up
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's very unfortunate that most people that seem to play the game can only think about how much content they're experiencing. instead of just playing the fricking game, enjoying exploring the world, getting engaged with what they're doing. instead they join a discord call, mute the game, turn on questie, and then ask moronic questions because they won't fricking READ the second quest they're given (i fricking hate every mage that asks what a comprehension rune is, they should all have their mage deleted of they ask this)
6 months ago
Anonymous
They've done the majority of content before I'd assume. I don't even need questie to level to cap easily at this point, I just straight up remember where all the quests are.
this was their mistake. not making one TBC cluster. even with only 1k players active (and it would have been more now) TBC would thrive
I really hope they do another TBC soon
>BRO RAID LOGGING AND FARMING REP WITH ZERO OTHER CONTENT AND 2 BUTTON ROTATIONS IS THE PEAK OF THE GAME
You can't go back to your freshman year of college, Anon, when you had zero responsibilites and life still felt hopeful just because Blizz keeps up servers. TBC was never that good.
Classic era was a ghost town after TBC release because they forced you to pay for a "clone" to play your character on both versions. Most people didn't pay and now they're refusing to do perma TBC and Wrath out of spite
>huge content locks behind shit rep grind >All the good areas were frontloaded >Dungeons start becoming hallways >If you didnt know what you were doing with rep you had to stay in shattered halls which was a shit dungeon with a final boss people didnt know how to fight
It was shit bro
God that shit fricking sucked. There is zero reason to gate heroics like that. I just wanted to solo level with quests and actually play the fricking game but apparently that was wrong.
pvp in TBC was absolute peak though, Wraths is ok but Cata brings it back into form. The PvE is dogshit but who cares about PvE in an old tab target game. It's the only MMO with half decent pvp
TBC Classic already had a crashing player base 4 weeks after launch. It's not worth it to keep up servers so a few hundred autists can speed run raids and rep grind their 7th alt. Even for Private servers, support for TBC is near dead. It's just not that good of an expansion when you take off the nostalgia goggles.
i'm a level 17 hunter with skinning, leatherworking, cooking, fishing and first aid
haven't played in 10 years but it's been comfy so far
anyone know what to do with the crab treats in darkshore?
thinking of pvping a bit at 19 and then letting someone telport me for DM to explore eastern kingdom and learn weapon skills
i barely reach 1 gold every now and then while selling things for a few silver on the AH
>costs a silly amount of gold
get ready for more of this
they want you to spend a lot of time farming, then they will nerf the runes you just farmed for so you have to redo the farm on another class
its just fricking bullshit to tickle my balls first with the idea of a warlock tank and then hide it in endgame zone. I have done bfd already, i just wanted to tank while leveling so needless to say, blizz aint gettin more my money
So sick of this dogshit fricking game. I'm sick of my friends playing it. I'm sick of streamers playing it. Im sick of watching it and pretending to give a frick. It sucks! It's fricking boring dogshit! It's from fricking 2003 and still looks 2003 dogshit, there are 15+ better MMOs right now that are completely free and more fun than this grindy israelite dogshit. It still costs 15 fricking dollars a month, not including the paid expansions. This has to be the biggest israelite scheme ever. Get a few celebrities to advertise this dogshit 20 years ago and convince people its a good game. I hate this game more than anything on this earth. Please if you actually enjoy this normie goyslop have a nice day.
i was really looking forward to giving this a go but if the new rune system requires you to farm gold then frick that. what's the point of goldwalling the runes, other than wasting my time to his player engagement metrics?
>new unmarked quests >new abilities >nobody knows what the best meta combinations are >a lot of people don't know how to get the new runes >people are actually talking in chat, collaborating and trying to figure out the new stuff out
i was sceptical, but we are finally home WoW bros, and to think all it took was plagiarizing a private server too bad this will continue for at most a couple of weeks at most so relish it while it lasts
It lasted only a single day m8... 99% of the runes locations are already known with guides available on the internet. The only runes that are yet to be discovered are warlock's metamorphosis and hunter's cobra strikes.
The only chatting people are doing on Living Flame are >where rune >go here
Then they whisper you asking what to do next because despite actually locating the runes being the hard part and the puzzles themselves being baby tier they want you to hold their hands like questie the entire way. Gee I wonder what crab treats are fricking for, let's ask /1 for the 50th time because anyone who calls me a moron will get shouted down
yeah it's making me realize why so many modern games have a baby tier tutorial that slows down time, darkens everything except your button prompt and the exact action you're about to do. the general populace is fricking moronic and cannot use their brains to think logically or even just READ. this is my most reddit atheist thought, but holy frick i wish we didn't have modern healthcare to keep these braindead fricks alive.
The gameplay of retail wow is basically like the tutorial you described if you play with addons, just hekili your rotation and avoid the stuff your boss addon tells you to avoid
This was the same for classic WoW until the 3rd day when everyone sat in SM and did ravager spam parties all the way to 60. You cannot go back. FFXI is a great example where even if you play the private servers they are nothing like the 2002-2011 experience as many new players are just veterans rerolling and will happily take free shit acting like a noob.
>Haven't played WoW since Classic launch >Roll on RP-PVP server because I want the open world pvp and presumably a more chill playerbase >Log in >General chat spamming about Asmongold >Most people named shit like Stealthkiller, Noobpwner etc. >More spergs in general chat than I remember in Classic launch >I don't even play in NA
what the frick?
Maybe I'm just coping, but surely people aren't so moronic that they think the NA and EU servers are linked? They have to be trolling, right?
Are all the RP servers just like this now?
yeah, i kinda wish they had a couple of gms monitoring the chats and forcing name changes and outright restricting their ability to play on the rp servers. they're clearly only there to meme or be with streamers, not to actually enjoy the game or community of people
If blizzard actually had balls people would respect them more, being weak on shit like this is just proving what people have been saying about them all along. It's all automated moderation and streamers have extra privileges that normal players don't get
I think if you like roleplaying, world of warcraft in general and official servers in particular are about the worst place imaginable to do it. Wow has a particularly terrible community.
Of course he is, he is a shithead that has a glowBlack person for a father and he wipes his boogers on the wall in his house. I can't believe anyone listens to that shithead. Makes me sick
yeah, i wasn't playing classic wow past a certain point because it was taken over by zoomers, meta slaves, and gdkp runs. it got transformed by homosexuals into a worse experience, partially because of the old game design choices, and partially because way too many people are worried about efficiency and being the best.
funny fact: 5 points in imp wrath was probably the best druid spec 14-20 in actual classic.
You dont want to do that though because then you need to respec into feral for the imp cat speed for faster 20-30 lvling. you could keep going balance and get omen of clarity then do just about as good as feral as until about lvl 50 or so, but not really worth the slow movement until lvl 30. you need to choose between gearing for feral or gearing for caster dps at around 20 because mana costs start exceeding base mana by too much. Until that time balance looks like one of the best levelling specs in the game, then it falls down hard.
My plan is to go Balance until I've got BiS shit and then switch to feral swiftness for running people down in pvp. In an era with no mounts that's a game changer.
>EverQuest players still playing EQ from the '90s >No fanbase fallout or arguing or dick-swinging or shouting at people and calling each other Black folk >WoW players still want to play WoW from the early '00s >REEEEE YOU NEED TO DIE OFF BOOMER IT'S BEYOND YOUR TIME REEEEE THE GAME IS SHIT YOU'RE STUPID REEEE REEE
Blizzard just inculcates awful people.
You can see it in the fact that private server WoW vanilla players were chill as frick, but as soon as it went to Blizzard official servers, it became a shitstorm.
Some are complaining about warlocks not being given easy tank spec. Some are saying that it will lead to a tank drought.
Meanwhile half of alliance is paladins. A good chunk of hrode are shamans. both can tank just fine. Warlocks mad blizzard made them gettign their OP as shit turn into demon rune thematically hard to get.
hellfire is a bit of a meme but a demo warlock with a succy for damage is actually pretty good in 5 mans. something like 30 demo 21 destru
i would rather have a FUN spec for doing farming and 5 mans that take the raid spec, and the raid spec isnt even that good in 5 mans compared to some of the meme specs you can make when your demon gets to do damage and you get more aoe situations.
It's the reverse, Season of Discovery is just a shitty version of retail. Anyone with sense would either stop playing WoW or would play actual retail instead
most likely no, because this isn't supposed to be a permanent mode. MAYBE if the players aren't spergs and there's enough demand, it could be permanent or at least refined and re-released permanently. they said they were thinking of finding a way to transfer characters off of these servers and into some other kind of server.
>vanilla but with retail abilities >phases which reset your gear
at this point just play retail. classes are way more fun, endgame is way more engaging, and there are way more things to do outside of your mandatory weekly Blackfathom deeps raid
>at this point just play retail >dragonflight talents are just cannibalized basic class kit that you have to unlock now
Not until they get a fricking grip and start giving a shit again.
Already tired of it, raided BfD and remembered how fricking boring low level pvp is so it's pretty much over for now. Honestly I will probably just wait for level 60 to come out before I return, I don't see a reason to level up gradually just to do one new mini-raid.
Also in regards to runes. Add one more slot to increase customization, frick balancing, just nerf the damage or healing if it gets way too OP. Also add some sort of information on the runes that will somewhat but not fully guide you to the location, it being completely random and for you to just get told where it is in general chat doesn't add anything to the game, you might aswell just make all runes have group requirements (like killing an elite) to promote "the social aspect of the game" instead of this shit.
>completely random
they really aren't. your class has a theme. your starter quest gives you an idea of what to look out for when looking for runes (at least hunter and mage did). I went to places I thought would have scrolls, and found a book that leads to something (dunno yet, stopped playing mage).
it adds some slight logic to where you should look for things. it also helps when you've played the game a bunch already and can think of places to check out and look for things.
>it adds some slight logic to where you should look for things. it also helps when you've played the game a bunch already and can think of places to check out and look for things.
Yeah man I'll totally be on the lookout for a specific suspicious bush that only occurs in one specific spot in the starting zone because of the starting hunter quest.
I haven't touched WoW since MoP. Is this worth coming back for? I feel so out of the loop. If I start playing this, it's like I'm starting a new toon on a vanilla server?
yes it's like turning on vanilla, but some world things are different and you get some retail/new spells you can place on your gear that find by doing puzzles and killing mobs
rogue tank is the biggest dumb meme there is. I main rogue and it blows my mind how awful it looks. even if survivability was close to being as good as other tanks you are still using 3 rune slots AND sacrificing your combo points to use on tanking finishers. it doesnt even sound like it can be good. Other tanks get actual damaging abilities in the new runes on top of being able to tank as a dps, rogues sacrifice damage dealing runes and sacrifice their damage dealing abilities to not get 2 shot. How can that possible be good?
Just a flesh wound should be passive all the time not just when blade dance is active, and blade dance should add the parry chance to slice and dice, not be its own thing. 5 combo points for 10% parry chance what the frick?
>ashenvale pvp event is terrible. it only lasts for 30 minutes and the objectives are so spread out that you'll spend 70% of that time just running to the next objective and every player gets a massive buff while near one of the bosses and they placed two of these objectives right next to eachother so it'll be eternally deadlocked unless on faction shows up with 5x the numbers of the other >all these wacky rune abilities but mobs have had their health doubled so you don't actually feel stronger and all your baseline abilities feel worse >literally nothing to do at 25 except for a single dungeon that drops 10x better items than anything else at that level and it's on a 3 day lockout >some of the runes are locked behind insanely long grinds which no one wants to do at fricking level 25
it's trash
>>all these wacky rune abilities but mobs have had their health doubled so you don't actually feel stronger and all your baseline abilities feel worse
Much like retail, the extra buttons for your rotation just means pointless busywork to achieve the same relative dps. Before you could kill stuff by spamming shadow bolt or kiting with auto shot etc, now you are forced to use a faux wotlk rotation.
Yes autoattacking with a pet is so fun, that sure makes me want to play the class on Vanilla. You know why Vanilla is shit and noone plays it? Because autoattacking isn't fun. If you are going to play some dogshit 1 ability game then at least play Runescape.
Vanilla was dead until Hardcore and the only reason people came back for Hardcore was to pretend to play with their streamer friends, artificial enjoyment from "Infuencers" influencing you does not constitute everyone.
I am not advocating for retail either you homosexual. You classic boomers think anyone who hates you plays retail. The SoD ques are dropping more and more so if anything you should hate the Wrath players because they are already killing your mememode
>Abloobloo hunter is shit now >Mfw playing BM with a pet that scales, has +75% damage on everything, and more health than actual tanks
The best part of being a huntard is that when people shit on me, my class, my spec, or my beasts, I can have a misdirect macro dump so much heat on someone that it's literally impossible for the tank to pull them off before whoever it is is dead, and not only can I do that, but I can feign death, reset all my cooldowns, and take another massive misdirect macro shit on the person if they're somehow still alive.
Redpill me on why I would play this over Turtle WoW or Ascension. It looks fun but so are those and that's MINIMUM 1 month for 15 bucks and there's a lot of good games this year, could get Risk of Rain Returns for that kinda money.
tbh 90% of what I like with WoW at this point is leveling through old content remixed for comfort and fun. I had my fun with getting into a guild and doing progression content proper but I'm turning 30 next year and the idea of having ANOTHER weekly obligation makes me wanna fricking kill myself.
I'm lvl 20 and I've been constantly asking myself.... why?
Like why does this exist? It's literally just vanilla with some ridiculous OP retail abilities tacked on. There's nothing else added. Just these abilities. As though the Devs thought the game was too hard so internally they just play with these crutches and thought the players would like them too. Like, the talent trees are exactly the same and don't refer to the new abilities at all. You don't NEED them for anything. What the frick are they for? Why does a lvl 6 mage need ice lance? Why does a lvl 2 hunter need chimera shot? What is there to "discover" exactly?
??????
It exists because their analytics showed that Cata classic isn't going to be very popular with the vanilla elitist crowd. So they needed another product to keep the paypigs happy. They also know that the game has a massive dropoff around level 30 so just launching a new F R E S H wouldn't keep subs for very long.
So now you get this basterdized classic thats timegated to keep the facebook dads happy and hopefully squeeze out 9+ months of subs.
I am feeling the fricking addiction set in again
I want to play retail because I can make a panda death knight now and I haven't played since BfA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
pray for me anons, that I may have the strength not to give the troons at hacktivision my dollars...
It sounds like you want to play retail, so just play it and have fun. Stop letting yourself be distracted by all this peripheral shit that gets you so upset.
Noone is going to give a single frick about this game within 2 weeks. You only see WoW threads on this board around launch due to shills and braindamaged redditors trying to convince people here that anyone with an IQ above 100 plays these games. Once the game awards happen I expect all threads related to this garbageheap to die. And goodriddance to all of you.
>playing turtle wow 1 month ago >doing WC >fall off the bridge >pull a bunch of mobs and die >type "kms" in chat >banned for 1 week
And I never went back
the new content in turtle is very mediocre and amatuerish. The layouts of the new dungeons suck, some of the stats on the new items are poorly balanced or just plain moronic. The class changes aren't much better.
It is amateurish because it's made by amateurs. But it's the right KIND of content. Meanwhile what the frick does Blizzard release? Amateurish shit made by professionals who dont give a frick AND you have to pay for it. >If you want a real vanilla + play TBC
Heh
>see bush >Use hunters mark >Kill NPC
Wow amazing. Actually just like the shitty artifact quests from Legion. They wouldn't want roleplaying and immersion to get in the way of HAVING THE NEW THING RIGHT NOW would they
>roleplaying and immersion
that's how the runes are obtained you homosexual as an undead rogue, i got the first rune by pickpocketing some scarlet captain
another rune i got by creating a map out of 4 individual map pieces found by killing/pickpocketing different types of humanoid maps. the final map then reveals the location of a buried chest
another rune you get by finding a key on skeletons/zombies at aggamand mills which opens a key in their family crypt
another rune you get as a reward by fabricating evidence against the scarlet crusade to damage their efforts at reconciliating with the alliance
6 months ago
Anonymous
>that's how the runes are obtained you homosexual
Yeah LVL 2 go to class trainer and get rune
Nice immersion
Also all the things you just listed are very short and easy to do
Also why the frick is the reward a fricking retail ability
6 months ago
Anonymous
how would you like this gameplay mechanic to be introduced to the player? a popup that reminds the player it's a game going "HEY ADVENTURER, LOOK AT WHAT'S CHANGED!"?
or maybe random chance that you find it and know about it?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>how would you like this gameplay mechanic to be introduced to the player?
Not at all because there's no reason to lock a bunch of OP retail abilities behind the ONLY ADDED QUEST CONTENT.
the gameplay mechanic of questing already exists to create immersion, USE IT
6 months ago
Anonymous
some runes are obtained through quests. some through puzzles. they're very immersive
6 months ago
Anonymous
Stop shilling
6 months ago
Anonymous
stop crying
there's much worse things to added to the game besides flying and flying was actually okay in TBC. It fit the theme of the expansion and added an extra sense of progression by making some areas only accessible through flying
no other addition changed wow in the way flying did
6 months ago
Anonymous
you are lying to yourself my dude. You didn't use flying in raids or pvp at end game in vanilla. The game didn't change that much with flying. It's just a fricking meme people keep repeating because they can't think of an argument themselves
6 months ago
Anonymous
>The game didn't change that much with flying
but it did. it killed world pvp. it killed the danger of the world itself by being able to simply fly past it
6 months ago
Anonymous
world pvp is just griefing other players, it's not big of a loss
>Shaman for Alliance and Paladin for Horde destroy faction identity >Flying mounts >Everything in Azeroth except Karazhan and ZA are completely useless and abandoned >Resilience PvP gear and Arenas completely shift the PvP focus from larger scale battles to 2v2 and 3v3
TBC is nothing like Vanilla
>Shaman for Alliance and Paladin for Horde destroy faction identity
This is just a minor complaint, I care about the GAMEPLAY not about story or lore or thematics. TBC didn't give a shit about any of that either. It came from a time when games in general didn't care about story >Flying mounts
See
you are lying to yourself my dude. You didn't use flying in raids or pvp at end game in vanilla. The game didn't change that much with flying. It's just a fricking meme people keep repeating because they can't think of an argument themselves
>Everything in Azeroth except Karazhan and ZA are completely useless and abandoned
Again, just a minor complaint. It doesn't matter if the expansions takes place in azeroth or somewhere else. The gameplay is what matters, not the setting. >Resilience PvP gear and Arenas completely shift the PvP focus from larger scale battles to 2v2 and 3v3
Large battles weren't that much of a thing in vanilla either. They didn't really happen in classic
6 months ago
Anonymous
Youre moronic
6 months ago
Anonymous
He throws out insults instead of addressing the point. Just like a little kid
6 months ago
Anonymous
Youre moronic like a little moron
6 months ago
Anonymous
>This is just a minor complaint, I care about the GAMEPLAY not about story or lore or thematics. TBC didn't give a shit about any of that either. It came from a time when games in general didn't care about story
Alliance vs Horde IS the game. Your choice of faction was your identity when the game came out. Shaman and Paladin was the epitome of the faction divide and it's the thing people always complained how the other side are fricking pussies and gays because they have the other thing. >Again, just a minor complaint. It doesn't matter if the expansions takes place in azeroth or somewhere else. The gameplay is what matters, not the setting.
The point is that they threw out what came before. It was the beginning of the end because they didn't build on what was already there, but instead wanted to make something new. >Large battles weren't that much of a thing in vanilla either. They didn't really happen in classic
BG's, world boss skirmishes and Blackrock mountain battles were the only mode of PvP in Vanilla. Those are all large scale battles. The only PvP people gave a shit about in TBC was 2v2 and 3v3 Arenas
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Alliance vs Horde IS the game.
No, the game is about having a sense of progression through gearing and leveling up. THe faction stuff is just flavoring. Not that it's a bad feature, having players fight each other in a faction is a neat idea but it wasn't really the focus >The point is that they threw out what came before.
Do you go back to westfall or deadmines when you're clearing naxx in vanilla? if the answer is "no" then even vanilla invalidated older content. Cause that's what vanilla is, it's a game about vertical progression stuff gets invalidated. TBC just continued the progression.
World pvp is one the best things about classic
not really? It just made leveling terrible. All that would happen is some 60 would one-shot me or I'd get ganged up by people my level. it's never a fair fight hence "pretty much griefing"
6 months ago
Anonymous
>No, the game is about having a sense of progression through gearing and leveling up.
Haha
HAHAHAHA
6 months ago
Anonymous
you know mocking someones opinion is what 1st graders do, right?
Please stay in retail and never leave to infect other games
how about you actually address the point?
6 months ago
Anonymous
The point is that you are fricking soulless and don't even realize what people enjoyed about Vanilla WoW and why people disliked the expansions
6 months ago
Anonymous
they enjoyed vanilla because of the sense of progression it gave. Not because of the world or the setting or the lore. If you got rid of the stats and classes and gear people wouldn't play vanilla nearly as much
>you know mocking someones opinion is what 1st graders do, right?
It's what everyone does when there's an idiot around
No, it's what abusive childish people do when someone says something they don't like. Also still not addressing the point.
Do you work for blizzard? It would explain a lot
Are you capable of actually addressing anything I say or do you have more insults to throw out?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Not because of the world or the setting or the lore
6 months ago
Anonymous
still not addressing it
6 months ago
Anonymous
You're wrong. There's nothing to address.
6 months ago
Anonymous
nothing to address because you're fundamentally wrong
nothing in TBC compares to the vibe of duskwood
6 months ago
Anonymous
how it looks is that important to you? not how it plays?
You're wrong. There's nothing to address.
I wish I was capable of being as delusional as you
6 months ago
Anonymous
>how it looks is that important to you
immersion is very important and vanilla nailed that perfectly
6 months ago
Anonymous
it's matters but it's not the be-all-end-all. THE GAMEPLAY is what matters
6 months ago
Anonymous
Immersion is gameplay dumdum
6 months ago
Anonymous
Uh huh
Continue being baffled as to the failure of retail then
6 months ago
Anonymous
the reason retail is failing is because wotlk set the blue print of the gameplay systems and they've been following it ever since. Not because of any of the minor stuff you keep sperging out about
Immersion is gameplay dumdum
the color of princess peachs hair is gameplay too but if they changed it wouldn't be such a big deal that the next mario game is trash if she suddenly had red hair
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the reason retail is failing is because wotlk set the blue print of the gameplay systems and they've been following it ever since.
No, TBC set the blueprint.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see attunements in wotlk. I don't see retail making you start from the first raid tier if you're new. I don't see the multiple raid difficulties from retail in TBC
6 months ago
Anonymous
>the color of princess peachs hair is gameplay too but if they changed it wouldn't be such a big deal that the next mario game is trash if she suddenly had red hair
I don't know what the frick this is supposed to mean, you might be moronic
6 months ago
Anonymous
It's called a metaphor. You're saying the way something looks is relevant to gameplay, I'm comparing it to something else to show you what a deluded moron you are
6 months ago
Anonymous
>you know mocking someones opinion is what 1st graders do, right?
It's what everyone does when there's an idiot around
6 months ago
Anonymous
Please stay in retail and never leave to infect other games
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It just made leveling terrible
No, it made leveling fun
6 months ago
Anonymous
Do you work for blizzard? It would explain a lot
6 months ago
Anonymous
World pvp is one the best things about classic
6 months ago
Anonymous
>world pvp is just griefing other players
the world is supposed to BE DANGEROUS
and FEEL DANGEROUS
FLYING PAST ALL THE DANGERS OR SIMPLY AFKING IN THE SKY WITH WHAT BASICALLY IS SWIMMING IN THE AIR IS NOT GOOD
6 months ago
Anonymous
and yet there are pve servers in vanilla. Hmmm
6 months ago
Anonymous
yes, that is the solution for players that don't want to deal with world pvp, not flying
the same reason RP realms are for people like
holy sovl
where people want to immerse themselves into the game and create RP events
6 months ago
Anonymous
we were talking about world pvp though, you even responded about the world pvp and nothing else. i responded to you specifically about world pvp
6 months ago
Anonymous
>no other addition changed wow in the way flying did
flying is a good addition since they made leveling a joke so that it doesn't matter even if you are caught out in 10 mobs. the whole point why from TBC onwards leveling is just a giant joke and a time waster instead of an epic grand adventure like in vanilla is the change that killed any semblance of early/midgame, and also the biggest misstep in the game's history.
6 months ago
Anonymous
uh, I don't think you're allowed to fly till max level so your complaint about it effecting the leveling doesn't really hold water
6 months ago
Anonymous
>let's make a few quests that can be neat and involved >and make the reward once again, a piece of gear and 50s
epic...
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah LVL 2 go to class trainer and get rune
you don't though, everything is behind a puzzle or quest, trainers don't hand you runes >Also all the things you just listed are very short and easy to do
and? what's the problem here? there a lot of runes to obtain and you can sink a lot of time trying to figure all of them out. took me a while to find the chest in the aggamand mills crypt because i had no idea what the key was for
okay, attunements are more in line with vanilla and they give a sense of progression to the raids. The fact that the game doesn't let you see T6 till you kill bosses as hard as vashj and kael'thas is very hardcore and is the opposite of the casualised retail
Also you basically just responded "no you" like a 1st grader
6 months ago
Anonymous
Great but why the frick am I killing vashj and kael
Also I don't care about fricking raids or hallway dungeons
6 months ago
Anonymous
There's more to a game than what you care about? You don't have like PvE, I do. A lot of people do
6 months ago
Anonymous
I like pve in a game that resembles a real game, such as vanilla, not some perfunctory repetitive chore that is how TBC and all later expansions were designed
6 months ago
Anonymous
You know vanilla had attunements too right? You also know that blizzard stopped using attunements after TBC? It's almost like TBC is more similar to vanilla than it is later expansions
6 months ago
Anonymous
Can you think of the difference between vanilla attunements and tbc attunements? Think hard
6 months ago
Anonymous
That it wasn't as involved in TBC and there wasn't as big of a sense of progression to it?
6 months ago
Anonymous
>It's almost like TBC is more similar to vanilla than it is later expansions
flying changed wow (for better or for worse, personal opinion) more than any other expansion
6 months ago
Anonymous
there's much worse things to added to the game besides flying and flying was actually okay in TBC. It fit the theme of the expansion and added an extra sense of progression by making some areas only accessible through flying
6 months ago
Anonymous
>casualised retail
lol, attunements were just a time sink, there was nothing difficult about them
nothing in any version of wow compares to the difficulty of mythic raids. nothing
6 months ago
Anonymous
Attunements are keys you earn to open locked doors. Games like resident evil, metroid and zelda do the exact same thing. Do you consider having keys in a zelda game as a "waste of time"? What about super mario world? Why does the game make you clear a level before you have to go the next one? It's just a time sink
6 months ago
Anonymous
If you think getting a key in Zelda is anywhere near as boring as getting the keys in TBC you're delusional
6 months ago
Anonymous
but they're still the same thing. They're both keys you earn and what makes the attunements great is that they're just an extra point of progression to the game. You're not just doing the dungeon for keys, you're also getting gear and rep and other shit
6 months ago
Anonymous
>Shaman for Alliance and Paladin for Horde destroy faction identity >Flying mounts >Everything in Azeroth except Karazhan and ZA are completely useless and abandoned >Resilience PvP gear and Arenas completely shift the PvP focus from larger scale battles to 2v2 and 3v3
TBC is nothing like Vanilla
6 months ago
Anonymous
>hit lvl 33 >Everything in Westfall is completely useless and abandoned
6 months ago
Anonymous
But not everything on that continent, stupid
6 months ago
Anonymous
>goalpost
moved
6 months ago
Anonymous
Azeroth is a continent is it not? >Everything on that continent
>Friends all pop in and start playing >Decide to bite the bullet and see what Classic is all about, play an Undead Rogue since we all picked Undead >Start out, start doing some simple kill and return quests >Only have two Abilities, combat's really boring >Enemies I kill don't always drop the items I need, need to kill like double to finally grab the amount >Friends tell me to download an Addon called Questie, I do so >I've got six separate "Go here kill this bring back" quests by the time I get to Brill
Holy shit I can't believe WoW ever got off the ground, this shit is so BORING
>Holy shit I can't believe WoW ever got off the ground, this shit is so BORING
Here's the thing, other mmos at the time were even more boring. You think 6 kill monster quests are bad? Imagine 0. You just had to kill monsters to level up. That's the game.
Even over the weekend you would think there would be crazy ques but people are already quitting. Ashenvale doesnt even look very alive on any of the servers. It is really strange how fast this is dying. Where are the players quitting going? Quitting in general? Wrath Classic?
>Where are the players quitting going? Quitting in general? Wrath Classic?
back to hardcore, wrath, or just regular era. probably a good amount of retail tourists too. the playerbase is so fragmented these days, this is just the newest fotm
FF14 players don't go back and play trash versions of their game and play mental illness private servers. That is exclusively a Blizzard 30 year old balding fanbase issue.
That's because it's literally impossible. There's been a heavensward emulator being developed for years now and they still have nothing to show for.
FFXIV has all those old content and they just expect you to go one shot it with your overpowered lv90 characters. There still isn't a reward for going back to them and beating it synced to ilvl. They just dripfeed you rehashed versions of them 1 by 1 to get you to resub and it's not even permanent.
what do you need a fricking explanation abou
there is literally nothing new aside for a few borrowed power spells, just like your legion weapon/bfa amulet/shadowlands whatever it was/etc that will be fone after the season
oh and bfd is not a 10 men """""raid"""" instead of a dungeon
thats literally it
using the word "content" to describe things to do in a video game is zoomer brained thinking. the thoughts of someone that just wants to say they experienced something by blazing through it all and then move onto the next thing as soon as possible.
why the frick else am i paying 15$ monthly for?
the usual mmo cope was that its about server costs and developing new content and patches.
but this is a 20 years old that runs on a raspberry p servers, makes more than enough money for being glued to retail and gets ZERO new content. whats the excuse?
Popped into a couple streams to check out the runes and stuff and saw a mage AoE farming killing groups without kitting, another mage killing mobs in 3 GCDs, a priest doing WC and the grouip killed the elites like nothing.
I thought they were tunning the content for these runes, did they add a raid and call it a day?
I’m playing healer and it’s max comfy, anywhere I go ppl just add me to groups, and give me stuff and are really friendly. I even got sent a thank you note in the post.
I think there is a healer shortage so you become in high demand.
I also went pve so at least 50% of my groups are women, sometimes all of them.
It’s just super chill easy game, also I went alliance which is prob why it’s all women. They love the gnomes and night elves.
it's pretty enjoyable when it's not massively overpopulated to where people are standing in place to hit a respawn as soon as it happens but the respawns take too long or are spread out weirdly. mix that with the tagging rules and bad loot problems and it becomes annoying unless you manage to quest at a good time or a somehow not well traveled place
between the eyes and quick shot are pretty good, even if they're not strictly new. i'm glad they use your actual weapon you have equipped instead of summoning a pistol that only appears for those moves
I'm running mutilate and the 2 range abilities. The base rogue skills are so bad that the 2 range abilities are actually better for damage than your melee attacks. The 5 second ranged kidneyshot deals almost as much damage as rank2 eviscerate and the ranged snare ability deals more damage than SS for less energy.
i know i was agreeing with your post.
I transfered to US PvE after OCE died, it's playable with 200 ping but it feels like shit and i lost dps and bgs were harder
It's been less than 3 days and people already are already starting to feel bored by nothing to do. Not even an entire week this has been out for, before the honeymoon period has started to wear out.
That's impressive, how long was SoD meant to last for?
It's rather obvious at this point we'll be looking at 6-8 weeks per phase with SoD. There's no reason to spend 3 months at level 25 with only 12 new abilities. I got to level 25 in two days. It's really just a distraction until the next retail expact gets into public testing.
the difference is vanilla was designed with 60 being the cap and not 25. It's why it has the most dungeons in that level range and why all the raids have mobs that are lvl 60
Why is it so fun again bros, Its an old ass game, a just a few added things and its so good again. Its not just nostalgia. People talk, do quests together, the gameplay is also good, better than spamming buttons on retail. I installed retail as well but there is just so much things to do and nothing is rewarding. You can do a 25 key and its not rewarding. The world and music also just much better on classic.
>already nerfed hunter
off to a great start
>top death class on hardcore classic
Poor hunters.
>noooo my class should be OP
moron
Why is this bad again?
>raptor strike not working properly
>other melee from rune not working properly
its bad because hunters other stuff isnt working great and blizzard doesnt do sensible nerfs, they nerf damage by like 60-70% then call it a day.
Hunters are still top DPS after the nerf. Stop crying.
dumb idiot post. he's saying there's issues with the other spells, not that he's not doing big dps. what a dumb fricking thing to reply with.
Because hunters don't have shit now besides going BM spec because their melee runes are bugged or incredibly undertuned while warlock are chunking people for most of their health and other classes (besides rogues) have incredibly broken things to use. It's essentially just vanilla BM spec now
i was not expecting hunters to be rogue tier in terms of how the runes pan out, i thought rogues would be their own little subclass of mediocre. its weird to me they buff warlocks as much as they did when they were already insane in classic.
I'm literally deleting mobs for 80% of their health on chaos bolt crits
What about warriors? are they strong?
Warriors are like priests - not much going on at 25. Not terrible, but nothing broken about them
As someone who played a hunter, it was 100% warranted. That spell was insanely overtuned. It makes me wonder how the frick they didn't instantly catch that during internal testing.
it was a bit much, but as usual the solution was a sledgehammer.
>internal testing
you PAY them to do that for them right now for free. this is below even jannies, LOL
You people are literal filth. They are making you pay them to test. ANd overtuned? You don't change the entire dynamic of how an ability works with a hotfix you backwater Black person. No company does that except Blizzard not a single one. You don't change how something works in a fricking hotfix. Do you have any alternatives for us to use? Chimera shot was nerfed and thats the only other ability they can even use. What melee spec? Those abilities don't even function properly. You morons are below even Bethesdagays. The slop you eat up is horrendous shit and you even ask for seconds every year. At least Wrath/Cata are finished products so the balance is already done (And by better employees from the late 2000s no less.
nerfed hunter
RIP Hunters. First classes to get peak in power area always fricked over. Paladins are probably next on the chopping block
Nope, paladins are safe until the streamers stop shilling the game. They're not going to nerf the pet class of their main advertising arm
Actually that makes sense.
>Still exists
Hunters are still on top with pets going past 2.1k hp and hitting like trucks
growl doesn't taunt in classic?
wtf does it do
It's just a threat gain
>in addition, your pet's growl now also taunts the target to attack it
didnt it always do this
no
Haven't played in many years but I think it was just a threat generator, not a guaranteed aggro focus
Kinda shitty especially since they didnt fix raptor OR flanking.
One of the main reasons I dipped out of WoW is that they took all survivability away from hunters in the 2nd xpac.
Viper sting being on a 15 second cooldown and cleansable by paladins along with paladins able to super speed catch up?
Hunter's mark utterly worthless on any stealth class as they can cleanse it?
Blizzard has always hated the hunter class.
Did druids get a magic dispel in WotLK? Couldn't Paladins dispel Viper Sting all the way back in Vanilla?
If I remember right druids could cleanse viper sting just by shifting forms but don't quote me on that.
And you could be correct about the Paladins but they did put viper sting on a 15 second cooldown making it impossible for the kiting class to actually kite anyone using mana.
>posting youtube thumbnail
>google any image
>webp
>Copy image
>Paste to paint
>Save as .png
It's that easy my moronic friend
>zoomer is unironically thinking he's clever and smart
Waste of time. Only c*ck will save the image from site that disrespects you.
Stop larping fatass
nonbeliever here
literally go frick yourself with this flavor of the month bullshit lol.
>max lvl 25 for who knows how many months
No thanks.
It's 2 months between phases.
didn't asmongold kill that game
no, but he killed his mom
>”Oh Healing Mage sounds kind of interesting, I might try this mo..”
>gets nerfed on the second day.
it's just retail disc priest
Wait really? Is it usable still?
I love healing and arcane mage healer sounded fantastic
>love healing and arcane mage healer sounded fantastic
Lmao
>80% nerf
sorry bwo
>literally a 80% nerf
Holy frick what the hell
Healing is by far the most difficult role followed by tank and thats just a fact.
>literally a 80% nerf
why would I lie to you anon? The shit blizzard pulls off is more unbelievably stupid than anything I could come up with anyway
>Healing is by far the most difficult role followed by tank and thats just a fact.
Depends on the people you're playing with, if they're good tanking is harder and if they're bad healing is harder.
>Depends on the people you're playing with, if they're good tanking is harder and if they're bad healing is harder.
That's true, but overall being a healer especially in Vanilla was extremely challenging. Which is fun, keeps the game fresh.
On average healing gets harder, sure. And if you go above and beyond into world first territory then healing wraps around to being the hardest again despite playing with good people. Mainly because you usually play undergeared and with 1 less healer than the content is intended for
It got "nerfed" so you cant pull 50 mobs and arcane explosion them while healing to full every cast. Its still the best healing spec in BFD right now, just not insane for solo AoE farming anymore.
Even after the nerf it's still busted
Go nuts anon
kek and I was unironically thinking of playing WoW for the first time the other day rather than just playing in a single player private server with bots.
An AST XIV like class where you DPS and heal at the same time was right up my alley but I guess WoW devs are just too moronic for that.
Frick I hate myself for going back but I have to admit they got it right this time. The new abilities and runes add a lot without losing the authentic classic comfiness.
Pretty much. I love vanilla and think it is one of the best leveling experiences. So getting vanilla but more is perfect.
>Vanilla but more
You mean retail?
There's no vanilla left in retail you fricking Black person
>season of discovering you need to farm 50g+ at level 25 for your bis runes
I'm so fricking happy I didn't fall for their tricks
Bahahaha beautiful. You just know blizzcucks are just going to either mindlessly grind for hours and hours for some fotm bullshit that's gonna die off in a couple months.. or just buy gold from the same people botting that they claim are ruining the game.
What bothers me is the sheer laziness of just locking it behind a giant gold wall and not just... putting them into the game as drops or whatever.
>... putting them into the game as drops or whatever.
they are though? ive gotten 5 warrior runes and none involved money.
he's complaining that one powerful rune requires interaction with other systems in the game instead of just existing for him to collect as soon as possible
>you have to do your chores before you can play your video game!
>ok daddy blizzard...
you are actively playing the game while trying to go for the rune. if you think any of the steps are chores before being allowed to play the game, then PLEASE quit.
This is why the game is bleeding subs, people ask blizzard to fix their shit and instead get told to quit because blizzard can't do anything wrong
So they quit, and the game gets even worse because it's full of sycophants. Ask the people who quit why they don't want to play, not the people who are playing why they keep playing. Something something planes and bullet holes.
>fix their shit
what shit needs to be fixed? thinking that playing the game and working towards a new power is actually bad because you can't play with the power right now?
If it was just a small damage increase, sure. They shouldn't lock the tank runes behind annoying/long/expensive quests because that'll just make the tank drought worse than ever since less people rolled warriors thinking they could tank on other classes. They're actively fricking people over by doing this.
i personally think that's funny.
if your only goal for playing SoD is purely "what's the freshest new gameplay" then yes I could see some people being disappointed that they can't warlock tank within 10 hours. but they're playing world of warcraft, and there's more to it than just pressing buttons to slap down a couple of polygons to receive shiny polygons.
i definitely prefer the approach of having the really enticing interesting shit to be hidden somewhere for people to search for.
however, they should fix mob tagging (graying mobs should only happen after 5 people have hit it) and quest item drop rates at the LEAST.
It's tank players being frustrated that they are either forced to play dps or forced back onto warriors to tank. Sure you can reduce it down to "fresh new gameplay" but that's the entire point of sod. People paid $15 for classic + but they end up not getting the +.
>forced back onto warriors to tank.
a warlock with voidwalker can still tank (not the raid probably, but they still get a mitigation tool early on, and drain life dot is pretty busted)
a shaman can tank (just experienced this, went really well)
a druid can tank
a paladin can tank
if people are mad that they can't experience the + without the classic, then yes they will have a bad time but i don't care. this isn't for them and they can go play some other video game. besides, most likely the servers will die and nothing you did will have mattered, but the point was to have fun playing a 20 year old game with weird twists that you need to go look for instead of being handed to you on a silver platter.
>this isn't for them and they can go play some other video game
yeah that's probably what's going to happen, and then people are going to cry about there being nobody to play with just like every other version of wow
i won't be 🙂
Quitting while the population is at its peak is the best play for sure
>a warlock with voidwalker can still tank
The problem with that is that your fricking wand generates more threat than the voidwalker with its 'taunt' on autocast and none of the existing runes will allow you to survive for long. Until we get the metamorphosis rune it's not going to work.
Druids and paladins could always tank.
No thats kino Black person. Long ass quest lines are the best fricking part of wow.
I'm actually mad one of the mage runes is a whole ass quest line for horde but just a random drop for Ally.
the random drops are bad, but so are the rep-gated ones. they should be questlines or rewards for exploration, not just arbitrary grinds
this
i played SoD for a while until i realized i was not having fun wasting my time doing bot work when i could be playing actual video games
i'll just wait until i can buy a bot account and GDKP my gear
>for a while
doesn't take eyes to see that it's wow classic is dated and feels like a korean MMO
>powerful rune
>weakest tank in the game
I dont even feel pitty for the wowgays anymore. its like seeing a meth zombie on the street. maybe they were once human beings but now they are just husks
It never ceases to amaze me how many people come into threads for a game they hate to deride people in exactly the same way. For people who are calling others drones - they sure are pretty drone-like.
Why is every homosexual zoomer using the word deride instead of derail like a normal motherfricker? SAY THE WORD RIGHT YOU wiener SUCKING homosexual KID
best be trollin
As much as i hate wowtards this one who you responded to has used the word deride correctly.
THE TERM IS DERAIL. STOP USING NEW WORDS IN MY THREAD!!!!
it would be fine and easy to ignore if it werent such obviously inorganic posting
Same reason people go to zoos
>if you have a problem with drug addicts just don't talk about them
retail wow -_-
retail classic O:
>YOU ARE A PAYPIG IF YOU STILL PLAY RETAIL! IMAGINE GIVING MONEY TO SHITZZARD
>WOW BLIZZY IS SO BACK SISTERS! CLASSIC WITH RETAIL FEATURES!??!? TAKE ALL MY MONEY BLIZZY!
You realize SoD is made by the same trannies that handle retail, right? Congratulations, you’re now playing retail with shittier graphics.
So uh ... do you just find runes in random chests?
no they actually did ok in copying ascension by having most runes behind a puzzle or quest
As a warlock my runes so far have been pretty thematic, besides the starter "there are runes now" quest
>thaw a murloc (every class with fire damage does this)
>eat a cursed cake
>offer blood at a site of dark power then return to the SW trainer
>offer a pure soul shard and tainted soul shard to the new dealer in goldshire
>found an ominous tome, collected reagents and summoned a mini doom guard to kill
Metamorphosis still hasn't been found which is annoying, at this rate I'll only be able to tank in the raid
>Metamorphosis still hasn't been found
kill demons in ashenvale
i hope this is just a running joke to make people endlessly grind killing mobs to make them mad, cause this is funny
The Paladin runes I’ve found have been really cool and thematic, aside from one which was just read a book in an inn.
>Cleanse a corpse in a cave together with another Paladin or priest to help it pass on
>Purify a poisoned adventurer outside gnomeregan
>beat up a drunk disturbing the peace in a tavern in Stormwind
>Track down a trainee Paladin who left the Stormwind cathedral, is found on a small island between Duskwood and Elwynn, gives you a rune that damages you in return for large hits and talks about “a taste of another path”
Really feeds into the sort of religious vigilante that paladins sort of feel like.
It's pretty fricked how some classes has so much more effort in their runes than others
Maybe, but some classes (especially in Classic) were always inherently more thematic than others.
Warriors we’re just “guy with sword” until like Legion where they became some sort of armored Diablo barbarian, which sucks. Same with how Rogues got such an evil theme around that time instead of mainly being trickster adventurers.
Mage has random polymorphed critters in the starting area. I really like how they're trying to include areas that rarely get traffic.
Would you a female undead anon?
nope, I am a cow enjoyer
I wouldn't a normal anon much less an undead one
thank you for reminding me about how important punctuation is.
Why the FRICK has noone found the warlock tank rune?
drops in the raid
Nobody has collected 666 gold yet, which is the first step
cant find new things when 99% of the playerbase is using a leveling guide/quest addon
This is literally it. Players are so hyper conditioned to followed only one route when leveling that they can't take fricking 15 minutes to look in a cave.
Don't worry anon, you can't talk as warlock anyway because it's s cooldown and not permanent stance
because there are like 4 guys actually going out and looking for things in the game and 90221 guys who are obsessively watching discord for updates while doing nothing themselves
i've been trying shit all day and so has everyone in my guild and i'm out of all ideas and so is basically everybody else on every server
the only thing left to do is kill literally every single mob in the game, drain soul every single mob in the game, sacrifice your pet on every single pixel of the game world, talk to every single npc, fish in every single fishable pixle and just randomly click on every single pixel in the entire world of the game and only the extreme autismos are going to do that
i still haven't played SoD because i'm visiting my mom for the weekend. Is there a server worth playing on not corrupted by streamers bullshits ? And will i be able to find dungeon group if i level a warlock or is there too many of them already ?
So you pretty much need to read a guide to find the SoD stuff
Yeah it has no ques markers fr no cap
No I mean a lot of it is just a random drop from this mob
Like old MMO days before wow.
no, it's not like that at all, because vanilla didn't lock you out of playing specific class roles just because you didn't spend enough time arbitrarily grinding mobs. optional rare items, sure, but not literal class mechanics that are mandatory to certain roles. it would be fine if the discovery was integrated into the world and rewarded diligent exploration, not just mindlessly grinding mobs in the hope that you don't miss something vital
i have never met someone ingame who didn't use questie. don't pretend missing markers are good thing.when literally 100% of the player base prefers to have them.
As a warlock the only rune I wouldn't have found myself would be the one that requires you to soul drain a critter because why would I do that. The rest you can just find playing the game the way you normally would.
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So are Rogue tanks redeemable at all?
Rogue tanks were already possible to some degree in vanilla. Should be legit now no? Evade tanking. Rogue need def gear
>vanilla bosses die in 15 seconds
>no issue tanking them with CDs up
>sod bosses die in 3 minutes
>will die quickly once CDs run out (and can't get them back with prep in this phase)
>sod bosses die in 3 minutes
It was around 2 minutes for rogue in vanilla
vanilla bosses have lower hp and damage than sod bosses. Main issue is still the lack of prep this phase since you can't get your evasion cooldown back. Honestly the entire tank rogue idea is torn between combat and sub for their defensive utilities meaning talent points are very premium which sucks at such an early level. Probably viable at max, especially with new sod gear but let others tank at 25
idk why thye whent with tank rogue idea. I winder if thye did it because turtle wow got popular. it would be funny if thats the case because turtle wow devs hate rogues and gave them shitty tanky skills as a frick you. even nerfed a new rogue farm that developed that was like 100g an hour and 100g an hour isnt anything special in classic.
They probably just want more people to try tanking since nobody wants to play tank. Especially in classic where there are very few good tanks, all the new classes added to the game afterwards (except for the dragons) have had tank specs for a reason.
Neat. Saw the general say they were complete ass so I feared the worst. How are the other classes doing? Any big winners or losers?
Yes
So any screenshots of BFD loots ? is it at least good looking or kinda meh ?
is warrior gonna be good at lvl 25 in SoD? i remember warriors being great at 60 but shit at leveling
Possibly. Even with Runes, Warriors are missing a lot of key talents and abilities at 25. However, Warriors always scale really hard with gear because of how Rage works and how good their stat efficiency is. So they might still end up incredibly jacked from BFD gear.
BFD gear is just slightly stronger level 25 gear, warriors aren't going to see any proper representation on the meters until WW axe at least
>is warrior gonna be good at lvl 25 in SoD?
No, but they will probably be great in all the next phases.
How are DPS Druids? and tank Druids for that matter. I’m so excited to not be just a heal bot
Tank druids are the best tanks in phase 1 but the tank rune will cost you a lot of gold so hope you're prepared
Feral dps is the only windfury on alliance and the only phase 1 windfury on horde so they'll see play for now
Balance dps is good in pvp with how spammable their spells are
Really? I find it hard to believe that tank druids are any good at all. Maybe for single target, but aoe tanking is despair
Well yeah it's tab target hell but lacerate is pretty fricking good
at no point has this ever been the case in classic.
WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE COME FROM THAT DONT THINK TANK DRUIDS ARE GOOD IN CLASSIC?
Zoomies and retail shitters.
These mfs never stance danced in their life.
bears blow warriors outta the frickin water at low level/low gear levels. it's unbelievable how much better bears are until warriors start getting bwl gear.
>casts swipe
>gets aggro on all 3 mobs
>also tops dps meters while doing it
>nruh droods are so week like oh em geee bruh!
>Blizzard gives Asmongold a pass in the RP-PVP server
>starts banning people that reported him
kek blizzard loves its streamers, even when the streamers make fun of WoW and its community
>body 1, body 2
this is gay. next thing you'll tell me they replaced the succubus with some gay male pornstar
>open wow stream
>they're just walking from point a to b
>or spamming 1 1 1 1 1
It's like I'm watching my boomer parents watch TV asking to get their brains smoothened. It's only a matter of time until every Wow player starts talking about how uhhhh it's just the age that's why learning things is hard and oh yea my back hurts hehe age gets everyone right bros.
>asking to get their brains smoothened
THats what it is. Its almost hypnotic and trancelike, soothing and familiar virtual retirement home for the boomers
it's soulless. it literally just feels like you're levelling with wrath/cata tier toolkits, but with less qol and a clunkier ui. it's just retail wearing vanilla's skin. people gaslit themselves into believing it was just the jank that made classic good, but that was never the point.
It's literally just vanilla with some shitty retail abilities tacked on. I don't even know why.
Who the frick played vanilla and thought "you know what hunters need at lvl 10? Explosive shot and chimera shot and 30% more damage on pets!" Like did the mentally moronic retail devs play vanilla bland think it was too hard? What the frick is the point?
Blizzard realized if they made the runes cost straight up gold instead of having to do some quest to find them they can milk players for even more money
For the record, Classic servers are worse than even the least legitimate private servers where it counts, and while SoD does at least something unique whatsoever, I don't think runes are good: they don't fix shit talents (on that count, you'd get more bang for your buck simply having level-locked TBC or Wrath) or other vanilla jank, the way they are implemented nor the powers - excepting stuff like thunder clap usable in defensive stance which again begs the question why not just run TBC/Wrath talents - they grant absolutely don't adhere to legacy-WoW design principles (indeed, they're kinda like post-MoP talents except implemented in weird loaned power sort of way rather than being a natural part of character progression), and they increase power levels dramatically when content is designed for vastly lower power.
But putting that aside, I think the biggest point isn't the runes per se but level-locked content: most veteran players have done endgame-relevant dungeons, perhaps even raids despite their weekly lockouts, hundreds of times. But content like BFD perhaps mere dozens, if that. Level-locking content, a trick that has been done by some private servers, vitalizes large parts of content that otherwise don't see much play, and I think that's perfectly sensible. Like, it's often perceived that only the latest patch content being relevant is a problem, but the vertical progression mechanics involved in leveling have pretty much the exact same impact on supermajority of content. After all, legacy-WoW isn't just about running Molten Bore and since in blizzlike dungeons are a trap option but people remember them fondly: there's lots of opportunities to make the game more "authentic" in exchange of losing strict mechanical accuracy, and that does something to the effect.
There's nothing to discover. Aside from the shitty new abilities there's nothing new.
wow cap is 25 and you get runes. then you are bored and wait around until they raise the level cap.
Or level another character...Not everyone is an autistic moron who is unable to enjoy more than a single class/character.
so you do the same shit and get burned out... but oh wow another class!11!!
wow drones really are morons
Congratulations, you just discovered the essence of every single MMORPG, moronic zoomer.
What happened to classicgays hating class homogenisation but now they're happy to play version of the game where everyone can tank?
>vocal minority cares about SoD
>hurr What happened to classicgays hating class homogenisation but now they're happy durr
classicgays don't play on retail
Don't point out the truth that all of them don't really know what they are talking about and just like to b***h.
classic players dont actually know what they like about it. they will claim its 1000 different things that make the game good while simultaneously not actually caring about those things as they buy gold and boosts to skip 99% of the game
Yep.
>The overworld and quests are soo good!
>*AOE farms dungeons/buys boosts*
>Class identity was at its peak!
>*stacks a raid with 30 warriors and rogues*
>The PvP is so goooood!
>*boss rushes in AV for 14 hours a day*
>The raid are actually challenging!
>*Farms world buffs for 2 hours to clear a raid in 30 minutes and log out for 7 days*
It's all so tiresome. Then they convince themselves it only turned to shit because of X or Y while happily doing the exact same thing again for the 200th time as soon as a fresh server comes out.
Classic gays are the most meta gays in denial i have ever seen.
>I want to have fun specs
>oh you want to be a ret paladin
>lol ret can't dps
>I want to have the community back
>Spends entire WoW time talking in discord voice chat to the same 6 people.
Alcoholics don't know why they're addicted to booze either
They know. They're addicted to it because they have things in life they want to avoid but can't get themselves to fix them.
wow really is no different. it's crack for washed up mentally ill boomers. and classic is so popular because they get filtered by the harder difficulty of later expansions.
Warlock is really the only "new" tank addition to Classic. Paladins and Druids were supposed to be effective tanks and Shaman tanking was a main idea left unfinished due to lack of time.
>borrowed power bad
>borrowed power when made the laziest possible way and glued on vanilla GOOD
blizzdrones are genuinely mentally ill
Imagine defending this lazy shit. I mean, they're prob legit shills. There has indeed been shills here in the past especially when diablo 4 dropped.
it wouldnt be that embarrassing if wasnt exactly the same people whining about muh "purist vanilla" experience and how shit modern wow is barely a few years ago, now gobble up this shit thats literally modern wow but even more lazily done
This won't be flavor of the month, more like flavor of the week then forgetten about unitl the next phase in months
Yea i can't wait to play the same game and do the exact same thing for the 1000th time so fun
this is a literal scam, the only thing they changed was add retail abilities
But Ganker kept telling me WoW is dead.
How many times has it "died"?
Blizzard can kill it, no king rules 5ever
>start one-shotting mobs at level 2
>faceroll dungeons
>enemy faction has you on farm as soon as you step into a contested zone
>end game is a shit dungeon that everyone hated in the middle of nowhere
it's a clusterfrick and i hate it and i play it
>druid still fricking sucks
god damnit
>Everyone can be everyone
This troony philosophy ruined GW2 from the start and I can't wait to see it ruin WoW (even more).
Having more than one class that can tank isn't ruining anything.
guys i just rerolled pve
thanks for reading my blog
eat a bag of dicks pvpgays
Is BFD a legit raid with shit like a new layout, mechanics, new mobs/bosses or is it just vanilla BFD but you take 10 players?
the video indicated there will be new bosses/mechanics/etc
Same layout but the bosses are tuned for a 10-man and have some very very simple mechanics that will be extremely difficult for the average classic player.
Same layout but with stronger trash mobs and stronger bosses with 1 or 2 simple mechanics.
WHERE IS THE FRICKING META RUNE
I HATE PEOPLE LET ME PLAY IN PEACE
I AM SITTING IN THE MOST REMOTE CORNERS GRINDING MOBS AND STILL FRICKING MULTIBOXERS AND BOTTERS CONTEND WITH EVERY KILL
I HATE HUMAN BEINGS SO MUCH
Did you try farming the demons in SE ashenvale?
Given how everything else past 25 is locked off that'd be beyond fricked up to lock this particular piece of content behind 30 mobs
You can enter SM, a dungeon with level 40 mobs. Asking some people to group with you and kill a few level 30s shouldn't be an issue
I'm pretty sure at least one of them will have something for warlock
That sounds cool as frick. Expeditions into dangerous zones for new found power.
So is SoD fun? Should i sub?
Well you rather sub or dom?
Depends if I'm dealing with orc women. If so, I sub.
I was sick of WoW classic and I'm already sick of SoD, it's just more of the same. If you like that go for it, if not then stay away.
>it's just more of the same
Its concerning how little people realize this.
>Rolled a warrior
>Forget they only have defensive stance at 25
Guess im going druid...
>we are so back
yeah only took you 20 years and adding new stuff to old expansions to get there.
oh baby I love them locking viability in raids behind a massive gold grind!
>5 gold
bro thats like 20 mins of farming
it's 10 seconds of swiping your card lmao
it's sod not classic
the only PvE content right now is the BFD raid and that was already tanked by a druid without the rune
was this before or after mages could soloheal the entire world and then some?
at level 25 it's a bit of a pain in the ass
>at level 25 it's a bit of a pain in the ass
Why?
because it's not fun
and if it's not fun, why bother?
>he is upset about grinding in an MMO
Why are you Black folk even playing MMOs?
>Play MMO
>Doesn't want to grind
You don't even play do you?
Better start swiping if you can't even make 5g
>it's 10 seconds of swiping your card lmao
smart girl
Can you show me where I can swipe to get gold in Season of Discovery?
just ask anyone if they want to trade sod gold for classic/retail gold and then buy a token, easy
That's fairly complex, can you just show me where I swipe and directly get the gold?
you can just google any site to do it directly, but that's probably against the tos
The "legal" way is one step removed from a direct swipe but there's no risk of being banned
So there isn't a direct way to swipe for gold? You made it sound so easy but now you're adding on all these additional steps and conditions.
I guess even swiping is hard for wow players, no wonder you can't even keep your mothers alive
see pic
>see pic
And goldbuying is bannable offence in wow, your point being? Reality doesn't correlate with what is written on the paper.
>And goldbuying is bannable offence in wow
No? They're literally selling gold themselves. They just call it "wow token"
Look, I can use google too to prove my point.
I mean we can do this all day but in the end I'm right and you're wrong
People did this back before classic had the token too
Now show me where the token is on Vanilla Classic. I am sure you can with your amazing google skills.
Why bring up vanilla classic out of nowhere anon? I said classic/retail.
>Moving goalposts to win on Ganker
nta, but that is quite pathetic bro.
nta, but I know right? The guy bringing up another game that wasn't even mentioned before now is pretty sad
The token isn't in classic, just Wotlk and retail
I don't play classic or retail.
You don't need to, you buy a token for real money and cash it in for gold
I play real mmos not korean grinders
>I play real mmos not korean grinders
Name them.
ffxiv
Your bait game is weak. Everyone knows that FFXIV is always online single player game.
>I play real mmos not korean grinders
Yet you hang around in the WoW thread like a battered house wife
you don't need this at all to tank classic?
it's dead. cata won
Don't the new abilities and things make open world questing braindead? Is there any danger at all, or is it just one-shotting one enemy after another while questing? That's exactly what retail turned into. I just want to explore and 'discover' stuff.
yeah basically. it feels the same as leveling in wotlk just with the shitty vanilla ui.
they did buff the mobs a little, so some of the classes that didn't get many changes are actually more challenging, like rogue. if you're into gimping yourself
That sucks, but thanks for responding. Maybe I will try it if I become interested in hardcore or something.
No. It is easier that pure vanilla, but you don't go around one shotting stuff. Unless you are a warlock, but warlocks always had easy mode leveling.
I'm playing a mage and while I definitely notice a power increase because of the runes it really only makes fighting yellow-level mobs easier and maybe letting you pull 1.5 at a time now.
When this first released I thought it sounded like a knock off version of that stupid gimmick server ascension and then my friend told me Blizzard tried to shut them down and sue them but failed so it makes sense they'd release the exact same crap.
WoW is king.
>paying money to a company that hates you to play ascension-
you should be ashamed
How do runes work, I'm still in Shadowglen as a NE Druid and apparently I need to find two Glade Flowers, make a flower crown and then throw it on a elite?
>pic
Is that you?
>another fomo surge from fomo chasing pretentious losers
nah bro, its been dead a long time.
So moving past all of the misinformation, what I'm getting from this is that there is no wow token in season of discovery and blizzard claims that they will be stopping bots/gold sellers? (remains to be seen if they actually care to do so)
As with classic before they added the token to it, people can still buy a token and cash it in for gold and then just trade gold on retail for sod gold
This is not bannable since all you're doing is trading gold with no $ (directly) involved
Okay but the game's been live for 2.5 days. No one has a ton of gold. Grow up
see
if it's been out for 2.5 days farmers have like 150g+ at this point.
That fricking sucks. I take a shit on this company
the level cap of 25 is actually good because i don't feel like a shitter for being outleveled by the chads
does it have new quests or anything? just seems to be new abilities from what ive seen
Figure I should ask this here. So, if I were to start playing WoW, would I start at the beginning storyline (the one that was there when the game first released) and work up to the current expansion, or would the story start me at the current expiation itself? I'd very much like to start at the beginning (thought I know there are lore bits from the thee Warcraft games that will come up).
dont play retail play a private server, cataclysm changed the game a lot
play warmane icecrown
Don't listen to this anon, private servers and Classic are dead ends and full of insane elitists. Just play retail
nah icecrown is fine, pretty relaxed
in retail it basically starts you at the BFA story line, with you washed up on exile's reach where it has some streamlined intro quests and a dungeon to get you to level 10.
After that you get flown to orgrimmar and you're given a choice of "timeline" meaning expansion to play in, you can change this choice at any time. Most people will choose the BFA timeline because that's the one blizzard highlights with a recommended title.
There's no way for you to slowly play through all the expansions 1 - 60 and actually absorb the lore, because you'll quickly out level everything especially if you dungeon queue. People typically do the intro, pick a timeline, then do a few expansion intro quests for massive exp while dungeon queuing all the way up to 60, then they do dragonflight.
Really? Dam, was hoping to experience it all as I played, but from your explanation I can see why they went that route.
There's simply way too much content for a linear story progression. And it all honesty the lore is broken up rather nicely into important phases
>Classic - Burning Crusade - Wrath
>Cata - Mists - Warlords
>Legion - BFA - Shadowlands
>Dragonflight (current)
Outside of those sets, the lore is rather sparce for connectivity except for the faction leaders. Blizzard has said before they work on 2-3 expanasions at a time and the lore reflects that. Just level a new character for each expansion set if you wanna know everything
I remember jumping in for shadowlands with a couple buddies. That homogenized intro made me sick.
Porn has a better story
So did paladins win?
paladins and warlocks are both bullshit OP tier. the downside to playing paladin is you are spamming abilities more than a rogue in combat now and its exhausting.
That's actually kind of a shame. What are some good laid back classes?
its classic wow everything is laid back. unless you consider pressing a button every 2 seconds to be extremely high effort
i heard there were new areas and stuff like that.
give me some examples please.
how's shaman?
Fun
for being "back" I sure have to save this thread from dying a lot and we're not even half way to the bump limit
>people are playing the game instead of posting in a shitpost thread with other morons that don't know what they're talking about
shocking...
If there were more servers I'd agree with you but with 5 servers per region and each server only holding like 3k concurrent players it's not looking great...
>no you don't understand, if a game doesn't have 3 million players at all times, then it's a dead game and not worth playing
if it only has a few thousand on launch then it's going to be a desolate wasteland in a month
Playing mmos alone isn't all that fun
>because zoomer content-pilled morons blaze through all of their entertainment with their adhd brains that need constant stimulation, the entirety of the playerbase will stop playing the 20 year old game
it's brand new though
>i only love NEW things, do not stop giving me NEW things or else everyone will stop playing immediately because they crave NEW things right this moment
that's what blizzard thinks at least considering their release pacing of these patches. I'm inclined to agree with them on this considering they have a lot of player data backing them up
it's very unfortunate that most people that seem to play the game can only think about how much content they're experiencing. instead of just playing the fricking game, enjoying exploring the world, getting engaged with what they're doing. instead they join a discord call, mute the game, turn on questie, and then ask moronic questions because they won't fricking READ the second quest they're given (i fricking hate every mage that asks what a comprehension rune is, they should all have their mage deleted of they ask this)
They've done the majority of content before I'd assume. I don't even need questie to level to cap easily at this point, I just straight up remember where all the quests are.
I just wanted TBC back permanently. I'm not interested in this retail abomination
this was their mistake. not making one TBC cluster. even with only 1k players active (and it would have been more now) TBC would thrive
I really hope they do another TBC soon
You are more likely to get a BBC than TBC
>BRO RAID LOGGING AND FARMING REP WITH ZERO OTHER CONTENT AND 2 BUTTON ROTATIONS IS THE PEAK OF THE GAME
You can't go back to your freshman year of college, Anon, when you had zero responsibilites and life still felt hopeful just because Blizz keeps up servers. TBC was never that good.
just play on Netherwing, moron
>tried to download TBC Classic
>apparently it was removed after WotLK
What the frick? For what fricking purpose?
doing server stuff is too much work for blizzard
Classic era was a ghost town after TBC release because they forced you to pay for a "clone" to play your character on both versions. Most people didn't pay and now they're refusing to do perma TBC and Wrath out of spite
because everyone realized that TBC was a shit fricking expansion
>huge content locks behind shit rep grind
>All the good areas were frontloaded
>Dungeons start becoming hallways
>If you didnt know what you were doing with rep you had to stay in shattered halls which was a shit dungeon with a final boss people didnt know how to fight
It was shit bro
God that shit fricking sucked. There is zero reason to gate heroics like that. I just wanted to solo level with quests and actually play the fricking game but apparently that was wrong.
pvp in TBC was absolute peak though, Wraths is ok but Cata brings it back into form. The PvE is dogshit but who cares about PvE in an old tab target game. It's the only MMO with half decent pvp
TBC Classic already had a crashing player base 4 weeks after launch. It's not worth it to keep up servers so a few hundred autists can speed run raids and rep grind their 7th alt. Even for Private servers, support for TBC is near dead. It's just not that good of an expansion when you take off the nostalgia goggles.
>it's vanillla but mobs die in one shot
Season of DiscOVERy
:}
>omg game is so fun to play
>game's threads hit cap
if shitposting is more fun than playing the game then the game is below shit
>lock meta rune still not discovered
go kill demons in ashenvale
>ascension but worse
That'll be 15 bucks per month
i'm a level 17 hunter with skinning, leatherworking, cooking, fishing and first aid
haven't played in 10 years but it's been comfy so far
anyone know what to do with the crab treats in darkshore?
thinking of pvping a bit at 19 and then letting someone telport me for DM to explore eastern kingdom and learn weapon skills
i barely reach 1 gold every now and then while selling things for a few silver on the AH
Funny thing is he doesn't changed at all after escaping from mom nest. He is like Walter Sullivan
>rogue tank rune is locked behind a rep grind AND costs a silly amount of gold for the level bracket
god i fricking hate blizzard so much
>costs a silly amount of gold
get ready for more of this
they want you to spend a lot of time farming, then they will nerf the runes you just farmed for so you have to redo the farm on another class
dumb frogposter
buy tokens
>world of troonycraft
It's dead Jim.
Where the frick is the metamorphosis rune?
go discover it instead of begging from your betters
its just fricking bullshit to tickle my balls first with the idea of a warlock tank and then hide it in endgame zone. I have done bfd already, i just wanted to tank while leveling so needless to say, blizz aint gettin more my money
go kill demons in ashenvale
So what's the "good" class?
I remember when classic wow came out. Turns out you should have made a frost mage. What's the "frost mage" of season of discovery?
It used to be hunter until blizzard nerfed them into the ground, it's paladin for now but we don't know for how long
So sick of this dogshit fricking game. I'm sick of my friends playing it. I'm sick of streamers playing it. Im sick of watching it and pretending to give a frick. It sucks! It's fricking boring dogshit! It's from fricking 2003 and still looks 2003 dogshit, there are 15+ better MMOs right now that are completely free and more fun than this grindy israelite dogshit. It still costs 15 fricking dollars a month, not including the paid expansions. This has to be the biggest israelite scheme ever. Get a few celebrities to advertise this dogshit 20 years ago and convince people its a good game. I hate this game more than anything on this earth. Please if you actually enjoy this normie goyslop have a nice day.
You should listen to what your friend said and stop being so negative, it isn't that deep froggo
stfu Brendan, game sucks, im dying on this hill, frick you for wasting time on that dogshit.
dumb frogposter
i was really looking forward to giving this a go but if the new rune system requires you to farm gold then frick that. what's the point of goldwalling the runes, other than wasting my time to his player engagement metrics?
>new unmarked quests
>new abilities
>nobody knows what the best meta combinations are
>a lot of people don't know how to get the new runes
>people are actually talking in chat, collaborating and trying to figure out the new stuff out
i was sceptical, but we are finally home WoW bros, and to think all it took was plagiarizing a private server too bad this will continue for at most a couple of weeks at most so relish it while it lasts
>nobody knows what the best meta combinations are
Most of them are "pick this one if you're this spec", it's not rocket science
It lasted only a single day m8... 99% of the runes locations are already known with guides available on the internet. The only runes that are yet to be discovered are warlock's metamorphosis and hunter's cobra strikes.
99% of the stuff are already figured out after a single day. You will never have the same experience you had 20 years ago.
The only chatting people are doing on Living Flame are
>where rune
>go here
Then they whisper you asking what to do next because despite actually locating the runes being the hard part and the puzzles themselves being baby tier they want you to hold their hands like questie the entire way. Gee I wonder what crab treats are fricking for, let's ask /1 for the 50th time because anyone who calls me a moron will get shouted down
This is actually amazing and it happens on every videogame, it seems most people actually dont know how to play shit anymore
yeah it's making me realize why so many modern games have a baby tier tutorial that slows down time, darkens everything except your button prompt and the exact action you're about to do. the general populace is fricking moronic and cannot use their brains to think logically or even just READ. this is my most reddit atheist thought, but holy frick i wish we didn't have modern healthcare to keep these braindead fricks alive.
The gameplay of retail wow is basically like the tutorial you described if you play with addons, just hekili your rotation and avoid the stuff your boss addon tells you to avoid
knows what the best meta combinations are
Are you moronic? Every class has very clear outliers with 80% of runes being utter dogshit
This was the same for classic WoW until the 3rd day when everyone sat in SM and did ravager spam parties all the way to 60. You cannot go back. FFXI is a great example where even if you play the private servers they are nothing like the 2002-2011 experience as many new players are just veterans rerolling and will happily take free shit acting like a noob.
are you really whining about class tuning at lv 25?
>Haven't played WoW since Classic launch
>Roll on RP-PVP server because I want the open world pvp and presumably a more chill playerbase
>Log in
>General chat spamming about Asmongold
>Most people named shit like Stealthkiller, Noobpwner etc.
>More spergs in general chat than I remember in Classic launch
>I don't even play in NA
what the frick?
They named the servers the same things in all regions this time, hence the Asmongold homosexualry
Maybe I'm just coping, but surely people aren't so moronic that they think the NA and EU servers are linked? They have to be trolling, right?
Are all the RP servers just like this now?
I play there too, and I mainly think it’s just the initial rush of people picking any server they manage to get on without having to queue.
yeah, i kinda wish they had a couple of gms monitoring the chats and forcing name changes and outright restricting their ability to play on the rp servers. they're clearly only there to meme or be with streamers, not to actually enjoy the game or community of people
When 90% of the server says "frick the rules" there's not much blizz can do except turn it into a containment server.
yeah i guess that's why the second rppvp server was added instead.
If blizzard actually had balls people would respect them more, being weak on shit like this is just proving what people have been saying about them all along. It's all automated moderation and streamers have extra privileges that normal players don't get
>that time the lead dev publically told rp'ers to eat shit, this is a streamer server now
They also opened up a new RP-PVP server that roleplayers could escape to, only to randomly turn it into a standard PVP server 24 hours later lol!
I think if you like roleplaying, world of warcraft in general and official servers in particular are about the worst place imaginable to do it. Wow has a particularly terrible community.
To be fair the roleplaying communities are almost completely divorced from the rest of the fanbase.
Asmongold rolled on it to grief roleplayers after they asked him not to roll on that server and Blizzard are too scared to do anything about it
I didnt know he was that much of a homosexual, guess that's something.
Of course he is, he is a shithead that has a glowBlack person for a father and he wipes his boogers on the wall in his house. I can't believe anyone listens to that shithead. Makes me sick
>>Most people named shit like Stealthkiller, Noobpwner etc.
holy sovl
for me it's tauren with cow pun names
>tauren with cow pun names
>Groundbeef the Shaman
yeah they're pretty good
>Having fun
>Remember classic WoW endgame fricking blows
i will never understand caring about endgame, but i guess i'm just a casual that enjoyed being in the world with people
this is why i know people in Ganker don't play video games, there were literally no casuals in classic wow past the first week
yeah, i wasn't playing classic wow past a certain point because it was taken over by zoomers, meta slaves, and gdkp runs. it got transformed by homosexuals into a worse experience, partially because of the old game design choices, and partially because way too many people are worried about efficiency and being the best.
My entire guild that raided through naxx was 35+ year olds with families who played like 10 hours a week on average.
raid logging did not mean you were casual, the whole point of my post was that anyone who played classic wow cared about the endgame
but that's wrong
> hey bro sorry for the 10th wipe we'll get it this time
I don't mind as long as everyone is having fun. Shitty Karazhan runs with boomers were my favorite part of TBC
balance druids are silly
funny fact: 5 points in imp wrath was probably the best druid spec 14-20 in actual classic.
You dont want to do that though because then you need to respec into feral for the imp cat speed for faster 20-30 lvling. you could keep going balance and get omen of clarity then do just about as good as feral as until about lvl 50 or so, but not really worth the slow movement until lvl 30. you need to choose between gearing for feral or gearing for caster dps at around 20 because mana costs start exceeding base mana by too much. Until that time balance looks like one of the best levelling specs in the game, then it falls down hard.
I can't look at classic anymore without knowing how moronic WoW has gotten with retail. Game is ruined.
omen of clarity or feral swiftness for druid pvp at 25? im thinking balance is going to be better than feral because sunfire is insane when spammed.
Movement speed simply for the utility I'd say, you don't want to miss a kill because someone stunned you and just walks away
My plan is to go Balance until I've got BiS shit and then switch to feral swiftness for running people down in pvp. In an era with no mounts that's a game changer.
It's literally fricking nothing.
My generation who played this in 2004 needs to die off and stop nostalgia chasing a game way past it's expire date after 2008.
some red level alliance nelf queens just walked down into the barrens and blew out my taurussy on lone wolf
>EverQuest players still playing EQ from the '90s
>No fanbase fallout or arguing or dick-swinging or shouting at people and calling each other Black folk
>WoW players still want to play WoW from the early '00s
>REEEEE YOU NEED TO DIE OFF BOOMER IT'S BEYOND YOUR TIME REEEEE THE GAME IS SHIT YOU'RE STUPID REEEE REEE
Blizzard just inculcates awful people.
You can see it in the fact that private server WoW vanilla players were chill as frick, but as soon as it went to Blizzard official servers, it became a shitstorm.
Some are complaining about warlocks not being given easy tank spec. Some are saying that it will lead to a tank drought.
Meanwhile half of alliance is paladins. A good chunk of hrode are shamans. both can tank just fine. Warlocks mad blizzard made them gettign their OP as shit turn into demon rune thematically hard to get.
>Some are complaining about warlocks not being given easy tank spec
Some need to kill more demons in ashenvale
>paladins
>wanting to tank
hearty lmao my guy, guarantee 70% of current paladins are planning on dpsing
What about the other 30%?
joining the ack
What spec is that
healers, beacon is pretty nutty in classico
is there a point of being demonology in classic?
For leveling or doing 5 mans in classic, yes. in SoD, destro is king.
what does demonology do well in 5mans?
better survivability so you can hellfire easier
hellfire is a bit of a meme but a demo warlock with a succy for damage is actually pretty good in 5 mans. something like 30 demo 21 destru
i would rather have a FUN spec for doing farming and 5 mans that take the raid spec, and the raid spec isnt even that good in 5 mans compared to some of the meme specs you can make when your demon gets to do damage and you get more aoe situations.
>Classic is now an actual game agin
so is this like the OSRS of Warcraft? Are people just never going to play retail again?
It's the reverse, Season of Discovery is just a shitty version of retail. Anyone with sense would either stop playing WoW or would play actual retail instead
most likely no, because this isn't supposed to be a permanent mode. MAYBE if the players aren't spergs and there's enough demand, it could be permanent or at least refined and re-released permanently. they said they were thinking of finding a way to transfer characters off of these servers and into some other kind of server.
>OSRS of Warcraft
What does that even mean?
>vanilla but with retail abilities
>phases which reset your gear
at this point just play retail. classes are way more fun, endgame is way more engaging, and there are way more things to do outside of your mandatory weekly Blackfathom deeps raid
>at this point just play retail
>dragonflight talents are just cannibalized basic class kit that you have to unlock now
Not until they get a fricking grip and start giving a shit again.
I don't get the hype. It's literally vanilla with a few extra spells.
vanilla classes werent balanced, its like if tf2 finally got an update after 7 years to fix the shit weapons
Balanced specs make the game boring.
Healing and doing dps with a class/gear/level that should probably not be tanking? that's fun.
Already tired of it, raided BfD and remembered how fricking boring low level pvp is so it's pretty much over for now. Honestly I will probably just wait for level 60 to come out before I return, I don't see a reason to level up gradually just to do one new mini-raid.
Also in regards to runes. Add one more slot to increase customization, frick balancing, just nerf the damage or healing if it gets way too OP. Also add some sort of information on the runes that will somewhat but not fully guide you to the location, it being completely random and for you to just get told where it is in general chat doesn't add anything to the game, you might aswell just make all runes have group requirements (like killing an elite) to promote "the social aspect of the game" instead of this shit.
>completely random
they really aren't. your class has a theme. your starter quest gives you an idea of what to look out for when looking for runes (at least hunter and mage did). I went to places I thought would have scrolls, and found a book that leads to something (dunno yet, stopped playing mage).
it adds some slight logic to where you should look for things. it also helps when you've played the game a bunch already and can think of places to check out and look for things.
>it adds some slight logic to where you should look for things. it also helps when you've played the game a bunch already and can think of places to check out and look for things.
Yeah man I'll totally be on the lookout for a specific suspicious bush that only occurs in one specific spot in the starting zone because of the starting hunter quest.
>he skips quests to grind mobs to reach 25 quicker
lol
>people have already cleared the new raid
Where's my 3 week long world first????
Where's the split raids????
I haven't touched WoW since MoP. Is this worth coming back for? I feel so out of the loop. If I start playing this, it's like I'm starting a new toon on a vanilla server?
yes it's like turning on vanilla, but some world things are different and you get some retail/new spells you can place on your gear that find by doing puzzles and killing mobs
what does a rogue tank have over a fury warrior tank? just trading mitigation for avoidance?
rogue tank is the biggest dumb meme there is. I main rogue and it blows my mind how awful it looks. even if survivability was close to being as good as other tanks you are still using 3 rune slots AND sacrificing your combo points to use on tanking finishers. it doesnt even sound like it can be good. Other tanks get actual damaging abilities in the new runes on top of being able to tank as a dps, rogues sacrifice damage dealing runes and sacrifice their damage dealing abilities to not get 2 shot. How can that possible be good?
Just a flesh wound should be passive all the time not just when blade dance is active, and blade dance should add the parry chance to slice and dice, not be its own thing. 5 combo points for 10% parry chance what the frick?
It's bad for now but rogue tank could have some value later with more talent points
rogue tank should have parry % and turn into an active skill like riposte and rogue tank is actually just sekiro and you can 2h
How's the Warlock tank?
We haven't found the rune for Metamorphosis yet.
Have you tried killing demons in ashenvale?
>ashenvale pvp event is terrible. it only lasts for 30 minutes and the objectives are so spread out that you'll spend 70% of that time just running to the next objective and every player gets a massive buff while near one of the bosses and they placed two of these objectives right next to eachother so it'll be eternally deadlocked unless on faction shows up with 5x the numbers of the other
>all these wacky rune abilities but mobs have had their health doubled so you don't actually feel stronger and all your baseline abilities feel worse
>literally nothing to do at 25 except for a single dungeon that drops 10x better items than anything else at that level and it's on a 3 day lockout
>some of the runes are locked behind insanely long grinds which no one wants to do at fricking level 25
it's trash
>>all these wacky rune abilities but mobs have had their health doubled so you don't actually feel stronger and all your baseline abilities feel worse
Much like retail, the extra buttons for your rotation just means pointless busywork to achieve the same relative dps. Before you could kill stuff by spamming shadow bolt or kiting with auto shot etc, now you are forced to use a faux wotlk rotation.
>Abloobloo hunter is shit now
>Mfw playing BM with a pet that scales, has +75% damage on everything, and more health than actual tanks
I'd like to invite your pet into my group. Don't need you, just the pet. He probably smells better than you anyway.
Unfortunately I'm part of a combo deal. Non-negotiable.
Yes autoattacking with a pet is so fun, that sure makes me want to play the class on Vanilla. You know why Vanilla is shit and noone plays it? Because autoattacking isn't fun. If you are going to play some dogshit 1 ability game then at least play Runescape.
>You know why Vanilla is shit and noone plays it?
Everyone plays it
Vanilla was dead until Hardcore and the only reason people came back for Hardcore was to pretend to play with their streamer friends, artificial enjoyment from "Infuencers" influencing you does not constitute everyone.
No one cares about retail, dipshit
I am not advocating for retail either you homosexual. You classic boomers think anyone who hates you plays retail. The SoD ques are dropping more and more so if anything you should hate the Wrath players because they are already killing your mememode
The best part of being a huntard is that when people shit on me, my class, my spec, or my beasts, I can have a misdirect macro dump so much heat on someone that it's literally impossible for the tank to pull them off before whoever it is is dead, and not only can I do that, but I can feign death, reset all my cooldowns, and take another massive misdirect macro shit on the person if they're somehow still alive.
They added feign death for level 25? Or are you, perhaps, larping?
SoD is not the only version of classic.
oh so you're just rambling about off topic shit, gotcha
>shitty retail abilities
>no semblance of balance
At least it's classic fresh but you actually shouldn't be just eating this slop like this goy
Any other priests pretending to be shadow spec rerolling?
Redpill me on why I would play this over Turtle WoW or Ascension. It looks fun but so are those and that's MINIMUM 1 month for 15 bucks and there's a lot of good games this year, could get Risk of Rain Returns for that kinda money.
You can play with actual human beings that live on the same continent as you instead of a bunch of russians and chinks.
tbh 90% of what I like with WoW at this point is leveling through old content remixed for comfort and fun. I had my fun with getting into a guild and doing progression content proper but I'm turning 30 next year and the idea of having ANOTHER weekly obligation makes me wanna fricking kill myself.
would have 100% been better if they were building this off of wotlk and not vanilla
Oh yes, draenei and blood elves please? have a nice day
this is so bad. frick off with your retail abilities and simply give us new zones, quests, dungeons and raids for classic
I'm lvl 20 and I've been constantly asking myself.... why?
Like why does this exist? It's literally just vanilla with some ridiculous OP retail abilities tacked on. There's nothing else added. Just these abilities. As though the Devs thought the game was too hard so internally they just play with these crutches and thought the players would like them too. Like, the talent trees are exactly the same and don't refer to the new abilities at all. You don't NEED them for anything. What the frick are they for? Why does a lvl 6 mage need ice lance? Why does a lvl 2 hunter need chimera shot? What is there to "discover" exactly?
??????
It exists because their analytics showed that Cata classic isn't going to be very popular with the vanilla elitist crowd. So they needed another product to keep the paypigs happy. They also know that the game has a massive dropoff around level 30 so just launching a new F R E S H wouldn't keep subs for very long.
So now you get this basterdized classic thats timegated to keep the facebook dads happy and hopefully squeeze out 9+ months of subs.
I am feeling the fricking addiction set in again
I want to play retail because I can make a panda death knight now and I haven't played since BfA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
pray for me anons, that I may have the strength not to give the troons at hacktivision my dollars...
It sounds like you want to play retail, so just play it and have fun. Stop letting yourself be distracted by all this peripheral shit that gets you so upset.
Yeah but I'll realistically play it for like a week then get bored and I'll have wasted my hard earned dollars (and given them to people who hate me)
Literally World of Retailcraft: Classic, and you eat this slop up like a good goy.
Why would you pay Blizzard $15 a month for this when you could play Turtle WoW (aka Vanilla+ done right) for free?
Stop ddosing smaller servers torta you cuck
also stop shilling your shit ass chinese infested server everywhere
Noone is going to give a single frick about this game within 2 weeks. You only see WoW threads on this board around launch due to shills and braindamaged redditors trying to convince people here that anyone with an IQ above 100 plays these games. Once the game awards happen I expect all threads related to this garbageheap to die. And goodriddance to all of you.
>playing turtle wow 1 month ago
>doing WC
>fall off the bridge
>pull a bunch of mobs and die
>type "kms" in chat
>banned for 1 week
And I never went back
the new content in turtle is very mediocre and amatuerish. The layouts of the new dungeons suck, some of the stats on the new items are poorly balanced or just plain moronic. The class changes aren't much better.
If you want a real vanilla + play TBC
It is amateurish because it's made by amateurs. But it's the right KIND of content. Meanwhile what the frick does Blizzard release? Amateurish shit made by professionals who dont give a frick AND you have to pay for it.
>If you want a real vanilla + play TBC
Heh
the way you obtain runes in sod is better than anything the hacks at troontle wow shat out
get real
Can you even explain why the fricking runes exist
>see bush
>Use hunters mark
>Kill NPC
Wow amazing. Actually just like the shitty artifact quests from Legion. They wouldn't want roleplaying and immersion to get in the way of HAVING THE NEW THING RIGHT NOW would they
>roleplaying and immersion
that's how the runes are obtained you homosexual
as an undead rogue, i got the first rune by pickpocketing some scarlet captain
another rune i got by creating a map out of 4 individual map pieces found by killing/pickpocketing different types of humanoid maps. the final map then reveals the location of a buried chest
another rune you get by finding a key on skeletons/zombies at aggamand mills which opens a key in their family crypt
another rune you get as a reward by fabricating evidence against the scarlet crusade to damage their efforts at reconciliating with the alliance
>that's how the runes are obtained you homosexual
Yeah LVL 2 go to class trainer and get rune
Nice immersion
Also all the things you just listed are very short and easy to do
Also why the frick is the reward a fricking retail ability
how would you like this gameplay mechanic to be introduced to the player? a popup that reminds the player it's a game going "HEY ADVENTURER, LOOK AT WHAT'S CHANGED!"?
or maybe random chance that you find it and know about it?
>how would you like this gameplay mechanic to be introduced to the player?
Not at all because there's no reason to lock a bunch of OP retail abilities behind the ONLY ADDED QUEST CONTENT.
the gameplay mechanic of questing already exists to create immersion, USE IT
some runes are obtained through quests. some through puzzles. they're very immersive
Stop shilling
stop crying
no other addition changed wow in the way flying did
you are lying to yourself my dude. You didn't use flying in raids or pvp at end game in vanilla. The game didn't change that much with flying. It's just a fricking meme people keep repeating because they can't think of an argument themselves
>The game didn't change that much with flying
but it did. it killed world pvp. it killed the danger of the world itself by being able to simply fly past it
world pvp is just griefing other players, it's not big of a loss
>Shaman for Alliance and Paladin for Horde destroy faction identity
This is just a minor complaint, I care about the GAMEPLAY not about story or lore or thematics. TBC didn't give a shit about any of that either. It came from a time when games in general didn't care about story
>Flying mounts
See
>Everything in Azeroth except Karazhan and ZA are completely useless and abandoned
Again, just a minor complaint. It doesn't matter if the expansions takes place in azeroth or somewhere else. The gameplay is what matters, not the setting.
>Resilience PvP gear and Arenas completely shift the PvP focus from larger scale battles to 2v2 and 3v3
Large battles weren't that much of a thing in vanilla either. They didn't really happen in classic
Youre moronic
He throws out insults instead of addressing the point. Just like a little kid
Youre moronic like a little moron
>This is just a minor complaint, I care about the GAMEPLAY not about story or lore or thematics. TBC didn't give a shit about any of that either. It came from a time when games in general didn't care about story
Alliance vs Horde IS the game. Your choice of faction was your identity when the game came out. Shaman and Paladin was the epitome of the faction divide and it's the thing people always complained how the other side are fricking pussies and gays because they have the other thing.
>Again, just a minor complaint. It doesn't matter if the expansions takes place in azeroth or somewhere else. The gameplay is what matters, not the setting.
The point is that they threw out what came before. It was the beginning of the end because they didn't build on what was already there, but instead wanted to make something new.
>Large battles weren't that much of a thing in vanilla either. They didn't really happen in classic
BG's, world boss skirmishes and Blackrock mountain battles were the only mode of PvP in Vanilla. Those are all large scale battles. The only PvP people gave a shit about in TBC was 2v2 and 3v3 Arenas
>Alliance vs Horde IS the game.
No, the game is about having a sense of progression through gearing and leveling up. THe faction stuff is just flavoring. Not that it's a bad feature, having players fight each other in a faction is a neat idea but it wasn't really the focus
>The point is that they threw out what came before.
Do you go back to westfall or deadmines when you're clearing naxx in vanilla? if the answer is "no" then even vanilla invalidated older content. Cause that's what vanilla is, it's a game about vertical progression stuff gets invalidated. TBC just continued the progression.
not really? It just made leveling terrible. All that would happen is some 60 would one-shot me or I'd get ganged up by people my level. it's never a fair fight hence "pretty much griefing"
>No, the game is about having a sense of progression through gearing and leveling up.
Haha
HAHAHAHA
you know mocking someones opinion is what 1st graders do, right?
how about you actually address the point?
The point is that you are fricking soulless and don't even realize what people enjoyed about Vanilla WoW and why people disliked the expansions
they enjoyed vanilla because of the sense of progression it gave. Not because of the world or the setting or the lore. If you got rid of the stats and classes and gear people wouldn't play vanilla nearly as much
No, it's what abusive childish people do when someone says something they don't like. Also still not addressing the point.
Are you capable of actually addressing anything I say or do you have more insults to throw out?
>Not because of the world or the setting or the lore
still not addressing it
You're wrong. There's nothing to address.
nothing to address because you're fundamentally wrong
nothing in TBC compares to the vibe of duskwood
how it looks is that important to you? not how it plays?
I wish I was capable of being as delusional as you
>how it looks is that important to you
immersion is very important and vanilla nailed that perfectly
it's matters but it's not the be-all-end-all. THE GAMEPLAY is what matters
Immersion is gameplay dumdum
Uh huh
Continue being baffled as to the failure of retail then
the reason retail is failing is because wotlk set the blue print of the gameplay systems and they've been following it ever since. Not because of any of the minor stuff you keep sperging out about
the color of princess peachs hair is gameplay too but if they changed it wouldn't be such a big deal that the next mario game is trash if she suddenly had red hair
>the reason retail is failing is because wotlk set the blue print of the gameplay systems and they've been following it ever since.
No, TBC set the blueprint.
I don't see attunements in wotlk. I don't see retail making you start from the first raid tier if you're new. I don't see the multiple raid difficulties from retail in TBC
>the color of princess peachs hair is gameplay too but if they changed it wouldn't be such a big deal that the next mario game is trash if she suddenly had red hair
I don't know what the frick this is supposed to mean, you might be moronic
It's called a metaphor. You're saying the way something looks is relevant to gameplay, I'm comparing it to something else to show you what a deluded moron you are
>you know mocking someones opinion is what 1st graders do, right?
It's what everyone does when there's an idiot around
Please stay in retail and never leave to infect other games
>It just made leveling terrible
No, it made leveling fun
Do you work for blizzard? It would explain a lot
World pvp is one the best things about classic
>world pvp is just griefing other players
the world is supposed to BE DANGEROUS
and FEEL DANGEROUS
FLYING PAST ALL THE DANGERS OR SIMPLY AFKING IN THE SKY WITH WHAT BASICALLY IS SWIMMING IN THE AIR IS NOT GOOD
and yet there are pve servers in vanilla. Hmmm
yes, that is the solution for players that don't want to deal with world pvp, not flying
the same reason RP realms are for people like
where people want to immerse themselves into the game and create RP events
we were talking about world pvp though, you even responded about the world pvp and nothing else. i responded to you specifically about world pvp
>no other addition changed wow in the way flying did
flying is a good addition since they made leveling a joke so that it doesn't matter even if you are caught out in 10 mobs. the whole point why from TBC onwards leveling is just a giant joke and a time waster instead of an epic grand adventure like in vanilla is the change that killed any semblance of early/midgame, and also the biggest misstep in the game's history.
uh, I don't think you're allowed to fly till max level so your complaint about it effecting the leveling doesn't really hold water
>let's make a few quests that can be neat and involved
>and make the reward once again, a piece of gear and 50s
epic...
>Yeah LVL 2 go to class trainer and get rune
you don't though, everything is behind a puzzle or quest, trainers don't hand you runes
>Also all the things you just listed are very short and easy to do
and? what's the problem here? there a lot of runes to obtain and you can sink a lot of time trying to figure all of them out. took me a while to find the chest in the aggamand mills crypt because i had no idea what the key was for
its LITERALLY Ascension but worse,
troondle might be shit, but Ascension objectively is better done than this SoD garbage
what's the difference between ascension and SoD?
ascension is just retail but with worse balance and game breaking bugs
TBC is the real vanilla +. Why don't try actually forming an argument against what I said instead of responding like 1st grader?
>TBC is the real vanilla +.
You mean vanilla -
again, no argument
Likewise
okay, attunements are more in line with vanilla and they give a sense of progression to the raids. The fact that the game doesn't let you see T6 till you kill bosses as hard as vashj and kael'thas is very hardcore and is the opposite of the casualised retail
Also you basically just responded "no you" like a 1st grader
Great but why the frick am I killing vashj and kael
Also I don't care about fricking raids or hallway dungeons
There's more to a game than what you care about? You don't have like PvE, I do. A lot of people do
I like pve in a game that resembles a real game, such as vanilla, not some perfunctory repetitive chore that is how TBC and all later expansions were designed
You know vanilla had attunements too right? You also know that blizzard stopped using attunements after TBC? It's almost like TBC is more similar to vanilla than it is later expansions
Can you think of the difference between vanilla attunements and tbc attunements? Think hard
That it wasn't as involved in TBC and there wasn't as big of a sense of progression to it?
>It's almost like TBC is more similar to vanilla than it is later expansions
flying changed wow (for better or for worse, personal opinion) more than any other expansion
there's much worse things to added to the game besides flying and flying was actually okay in TBC. It fit the theme of the expansion and added an extra sense of progression by making some areas only accessible through flying
>casualised retail
lol, attunements were just a time sink, there was nothing difficult about them
nothing in any version of wow compares to the difficulty of mythic raids. nothing
Attunements are keys you earn to open locked doors. Games like resident evil, metroid and zelda do the exact same thing. Do you consider having keys in a zelda game as a "waste of time"? What about super mario world? Why does the game make you clear a level before you have to go the next one? It's just a time sink
If you think getting a key in Zelda is anywhere near as boring as getting the keys in TBC you're delusional
but they're still the same thing. They're both keys you earn and what makes the attunements great is that they're just an extra point of progression to the game. You're not just doing the dungeon for keys, you're also getting gear and rep and other shit
>Shaman for Alliance and Paladin for Horde destroy faction identity
>Flying mounts
>Everything in Azeroth except Karazhan and ZA are completely useless and abandoned
>Resilience PvP gear and Arenas completely shift the PvP focus from larger scale battles to 2v2 and 3v3
TBC is nothing like Vanilla
>hit lvl 33
>Everything in Westfall is completely useless and abandoned
But not everything on that continent, stupid
>goalpost
moved
Azeroth is a continent is it not?
>Everything on that continent
the chink infestation is not a meme
>Friends all pop in and start playing
>Decide to bite the bullet and see what Classic is all about, play an Undead Rogue since we all picked Undead
>Start out, start doing some simple kill and return quests
>Only have two Abilities, combat's really boring
>Enemies I kill don't always drop the items I need, need to kill like double to finally grab the amount
>Friends tell me to download an Addon called Questie, I do so
>I've got six separate "Go here kill this bring back" quests by the time I get to Brill
Holy shit I can't believe WoW ever got off the ground, this shit is so BORING
>Holy shit I can't believe WoW ever got off the ground, this shit is so BORING
Here's the thing, other mmos at the time were even more boring. You think 6 kill monster quests are bad? Imagine 0. You just had to kill monsters to level up. That's the game.
MMOs aren't for everyone. I consider those task relaxing while I listen to podcast and get immersed in the world.
>dude just play this game that's supposed to be the old game but actually isn't
why are you so fricking stupid
who has the coolest fashion in classic? cloth users, mail, leather or plate? i usually roll plate knight characters but i always hated this helm
shit is already dead lmao
Even over the weekend you would think there would be crazy ques but people are already quitting. Ashenvale doesnt even look very alive on any of the servers. It is really strange how fast this is dying. Where are the players quitting going? Quitting in general? Wrath Classic?
lmfao
what am i looking at?
>Where are the players quitting going? Quitting in general? Wrath Classic?
back to hardcore, wrath, or just regular era. probably a good amount of retail tourists too. the playerbase is so fragmented these days, this is just the newest fotm
meanwhile i had to fight homosexuals that didn't want to party up for defias spawns for like 30 minutes on one quest
what is the motivation to play WoW like this again? people already know 100% of what the game will involve
mental illness
>NEW SERVICE
Why is this in the biggest font? What does it even mean? Is the new "service" referring to Season of Discovery?
has there ever existed a more cucked fanbase than WoW?
the ff14 fanbase exists
FF14 players don't go back and play trash versions of their game and play mental illness private servers. That is exclusively a Blizzard 30 year old balding fanbase issue.
That's because it's literally impossible. There's been a heavensward emulator being developed for years now and they still have nothing to show for.
FFXIV has all those old content and they just expect you to go one shot it with your overpowered lv90 characters. There still isn't a reward for going back to them and beating it synced to ilvl. They just dripfeed you rehashed versions of them 1 by 1 to get you to resub and it's not even permanent.
maybe, but no one has ever heard about them or cares about their game outside some weirdo weebshit circles
blizzdrones are everywhere and genuinely mentally ill with that level of cuckery
i'll play it if you can turn off the exp bonus modifier in further phases
i dont see apoint in playing until you can reach max lvl
you don't even like wow
>WoW but with stigmas
I've played this game before
It's the same game as wow classic. And 25 lvl cap suck
whats new about it?
borrowed power lmao
its retail lite with 0 content
This. Can’t believe my moronic ass fell for blizzards shit again.
that doesnt explain anything
what do you need a fricking explanation abou
there is literally nothing new aside for a few borrowed power spells, just like your legion weapon/bfa amulet/shadowlands whatever it was/etc that will be fone after the season
oh and bfd is not a 10 men """""raid"""" instead of a dungeon
thats literally it
>content! i need content!
... yes?
using the word "content" to describe things to do in a video game is zoomer brained thinking. the thoughts of someone that just wants to say they experienced something by blazing through it all and then move onto the next thing as soon as possible.
why the frick else am i paying 15$ monthly for?
the usual mmo cope was that its about server costs and developing new content and patches.
but this is a 20 years old that runs on a raspberry p servers, makes more than enough money for being glued to retail and gets ZERO new content. whats the excuse?
wow never left
Popped into a couple streams to check out the runes and stuff and saw a mage AoE farming killing groups without kitting, another mage killing mobs in 3 GCDs, a priest doing WC and the grouip killed the elites like nothing.
I thought they were tunning the content for these runes, did they add a raid and call it a day?
I’m playing healer and it’s max comfy, anywhere I go ppl just add me to groups, and give me stuff and are really friendly. I even got sent a thank you note in the post.
I think there is a healer shortage so you become in high demand.
I also went pve so at least 50% of my groups are women, sometimes all of them.
It’s just super chill easy game, also I went alliance which is prob why it’s all women. They love the gnomes and night elves.
it's pretty enjoyable when it's not massively overpopulated to where people are standing in place to hit a respawn as soon as it happens but the respawns take too long or are spread out weirdly. mix that with the tagging rules and bad loot problems and it becomes annoying unless you manage to quest at a good time or a somehow not well traveled place
>women
Whos gonna tell him?
that's why you should play classic. its just a chill game and the vibe is unmatched
have fun anon, its truly a magical world to get lost in
>women
i wanna play a healer but you basically have no option but to level as a dps in this shit game so i just dont want to bother really
WOW-SAMA!!! I KNEEL!!!
I'm gonna say it.... it's so bad
Retail is unironically better.
I feel like i'm still just going to stick to private servers when I get a wow urge.
nobody asked, jorginho
Literally no reason to pay this over a private server
at least you arent supporting nu-blizz with your money
mindbroken freaks
just say that you're poor
it's weird someone playing classic saying this when the typical response to worldsoul is
>i'm not spending $180!
that cope doesnt work on anyone above 18, mr blizzard marketing man
ANYTHING is better than molten core spam.
man rogue runes are pretty underwhelming
you can be a ranged rogue. a pistolero. that is kino
between the eyes and quick shot are pretty good, even if they're not strictly new. i'm glad they use your actual weapon you have equipped instead of summoning a pistol that only appears for those moves
I'm running mutilate and the 2 range abilities. The base rogue skills are so bad that the 2 range abilities are actually better for damage than your melee attacks. The 5 second ranged kidneyshot deals almost as much damage as rank2 eviscerate and the ranged snare ability deals more damage than SS for less energy.
>OCE PvE server already dead
i dont wanna have to play on burger servers with 200 ping
the pve server died on actual classic too so i dont know what you were expecting
the US PvE cluster was/is very active still
my fault for living in this shithole I guess
the OCE pve servers all died on classic though and that had 10x the players of this shit
i know i was agreeing with your post.
I transfered to US PvE after OCE died, it's playable with 200 ping but it feels like shit and i lost dps and bgs were harder
>tfw warrior
at least you can't get nerfed if you literally do nothing different
Daily reminder. Ffxiv lost
Why did FF14 lose so fricking hard to Classic WoW?
It's been less than 3 days and people already are already starting to feel bored by nothing to do. Not even an entire week this has been out for, before the honeymoon period has started to wear out.
That's impressive, how long was SoD meant to last for?
It's rather obvious at this point we'll be looking at 6-8 weeks per phase with SoD. There's no reason to spend 3 months at level 25 with only 12 new abilities. I got to level 25 in two days. It's really just a distraction until the next retail expact gets into public testing.
>people already are already starting to feel bored by nothing to do
what if I told you people have been getting to max level in wow for 20 years
the difference is vanilla was designed with 60 being the cap and not 25. It's why it has the most dungeons in that level range and why all the raids have mobs that are lvl 60
>FF14 randomly brought up, over and over
That game really buck broke WoW Andies.
Why is it so fun again bros, Its an old ass game, a just a few added things and its so good again. Its not just nostalgia. People talk, do quests together, the gameplay is also good, better than spamming buttons on retail. I installed retail as well but there is just so much things to do and nothing is rewarding. You can do a 25 key and its not rewarding. The world and music also just much better on classic.
>private servers with vanilla mods
>All have hardcore mode worked into them
>Blizzard still has these as separate servers
Why are they so incompetent
No one even discovered the warlock taking rune yet
Holy kino
that is indeed kino. and nobody knows how its obtained, its all trial and error
>can't sit out a 1 hour queue because of splotchy internet
>now the server my friends are on is full
Great...
>lvl 60 chests in plaguelands respawn nonstop while chink bots login on top of them all day long
nice economy in your troonyretail "vanilla" server bro hahahahah
is that really a thing? im still in queue, can you do a /who in plaguelands?
omg broo no way my 12 alterac cheese and 8 runecloth the hecking bots are eating good
You mean selling greens for 1g a pop
you get 1-2g per quest at level 25
t. Chink bot
holy sovl
The best part is that they're not multiboxers, just an RP guild with "nameless" people who do world pvp
yeah they even have a youtube channel
crazy
>moronic version of dead game
We are so back bros... So much shit on plate, can't wait to taste it