>Western game devs when you tell them they have to work an extra five hours a week with overtime in an air conditioned office in order to accomplish a deadline
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>you HAVE to give extra time outta your day to [CORPORATION] because... BECAUSE I SAID SO AND/OR HAVE IT WORSE THAN YOU DO OKAY???
Never had real problems in their lives and chokes on dicks often.
Work harder, pig.
>Everyone is a troony but me
nice projection
And neither have you, you’re just some underaged homosexual looking to start shit for attention.
company problems aren't real problems because they're usually self inflicted so they can suck my dick if they NEED me to fix their problem
It was your choice to get a job where you're constantly facing those "real" problems and choking on dick
I refuse to feel bad for salary earners
get a real job
I have one, thats why im not on salary
t. Tradesman
is there a reason other than you're an butthole?
literally any neet can just save and invest money and never have to work in his entire life.
If that's how you feel you should quit the job and move over for people who are willing to put in their time. I'm perfectly cool with working those hours, and I'll do it for a quarter of the pay.
lol loser
Hey, if you don't want to make games. You definitely need to get out of the way. I will give my employers the product they desire in half the time without going over budget.
As somebody who put in the work to climb high and make a good salary, frick that. You're a moron. Better for your health, time, and usually pay to set boundaries or just try and just be hourly. I quit and got two solid paying jobs that hardly eat the same hours of my life for slightly better pay. Took 7 years to figure out, but w.e. wage slave salary man life is for dumbshits.
Bet you used your time with the studio on your portfolio. I understand what you are trying to imply, but you just sound like a dude who, "got yours" and is just trying to discourage others.
But I kinda didn't. I pivoted careers and it had zero application to where I am now. Just filled a resume gap. Its just all my perspective, anyway. I hung in when dozens of people in my position burnt out, thinking it would pay off. It really didn't and eventually, everyone above me, who saw my work ethic and what I could do, burnt out as well or moved on. Multiple times I had to "prove" myself to entire new heads and I saw the cycle never ending. Top tier management usually came in with their own cronies and left before promoting me much higher. A step or two, every batch, maybe, lol.
this is a great rp, or you're an actual betacuck.
It's not like you care about making money. You're just a trustfund kid playing around with your time. Some people actually work dude.
Isn't it time for you to be walking your customer's dogs?
Maybe they shouldn't have fallen behind meeting their deadline then
If you aren't shit at your job then you don't need the extra work time
If they're so shit, replace them.
If they won't accept being paid extra to finish what they should have already had done then yeah there's really no other option
>finish your part of the job (assuming you didn't have to wait for shaniqua to finish hers before you could finish yours)
>manager gives you rashim's assignment since he hasn't done even 5% of it yet
>have to participate the crunch anyway since you now have unfinished work
When I can say Black person without getting fired, you can have your UBI neetbux.
>they have to work an extra five hours a week
If it's not in my contract or I'm not getting paid extra then you can frick off kek
>with overtime
>expecting people to interpret your poor colloquial English with omitted words
Overtime means exactly what it sounds like. The term you're trying to convey is "paid overtime". Imbecile.
Same thing, homosexual
Fricktard imbecile.
absolutely incorrect. people always specific "unpaid overtime" because it is assumed that paid overtime is the default. It's so common people will even say stuff like "but think of the overtime" as a way to feel better about long hours
game devs are salaried they don't get overtime lol
This. I remember when I first got bumped to salary instead of wages and upper management was confused about why my hours went from between 60 and 75 down to flat 40
Fired.
pay me severance or your ass is going in the can
You're fired and yes, I will be telling all my dev friends you suck lmao
>t. zoomer
What about your next contract, bub?
I will be looking for that as soon as you ask me to work unpaid overtime.
This is not a larp. I have done so twice already.
>Old Western devs
>everyone willingly wants to work overtime to get this passion project video game done
>Old Asian devs
>YOU WORK OVERTIME OR DISHONORED
>Modern Western devs
>
>Modern Asian devs
>YOU WORK OVERTIME OR DISHONORED
>implying there is passion left in the industry
Also that's just all Asian work in general.
There's overtime which is an occasional thing and then there's crunch, where you working overtime for months on end. If you can't see the difference between old school devs working overtime and interns working crunch then you're just moronic.
Same.
t. cozy government job
I work too at a federal agency so no overtime ever.
Lmao based, the golem HATE when you don't capitulate to nozzleberg.
So you are saying the communist position is to always follow your contract, ie, participate in society instead of trying to improve it somewhat as the popular commie comic goes
too bad the contract says to have a finished product by a certain date
That's managements issue not mine
Frick off, moron.
lmao crunch babies itt
Cope, I'm a NEET
Dunno why people are so mad at crunch. Its normal and you have to make sacrifices for the product at some level. It isn't charity or a playground. Do your work, and be ready to prove you are a good worker. You earn trust and experience with it
>you have to make sacrifices for the product at some level
Why? It's not my product. If Mr Shekelberg wants it to be high quality he can sacrifice for it
Most game devs get a cut of the profits depending on how well the initial sales are. The idea that devs are just wagies getting paid by the hour and nothing else is rarely ever the case
No they don't moron. The studio gets a bonus which does not trickle down to employees. If they're lucky they might get a pizza party while the execs pocket millions. But on average they were already laid off after their part of the game was done, if they didn't have another game in the pipeline.
Western companies do this then wonder how Nintendo "does it" when they make a good game below budget and technologically achieve wonders. Look at the credits for Wonder, half of of the team was there when the N64 was new. Is there any Western studio that keeps actual workers around for decades?
You do know that being a producer and CEO is much harder than being your average codemonkey. You have much more responsibility and if the game fails, the company takes hit before the workers. We need to also think shareholders' interests, they are more important than a coder.
You should thank your boss outside Boss's Day. And you should be thankful you even have a job, especially when you are so replacable and have no loyalty for your company. Like a soldier that doesn't love his king and kingdom.
There are few good devs that do their job, but rest are just embarrassing soulless coders who have no loyalty.
>You have much more responsibility and if the game fails, the company takes hit before the workers.
Are you delusional?
Tell me who buys all the computers and software for development
And office space
And gives the budget
And the marketing
If the game fails and doesn't bring profit, the company and shareholders takes the hit. And if shareholders are gone, its over. That's why they are more important than devs.
Also see
Frick you. Devs gets paid too much for a job AI can soon do. Its disgusting how little you think of the talented people running the companies.
Seriously kys.
Those were some diversity hires. Come on, stop being so stupid.
And he deserved it, do you have no idea how much acti-blizz made that year?
Seriously, are we raided by discordtroons or why are people so fricking anti-capitalist today? It's fricking worrying mods do nothing
Anon you're not a capitalist
You don't own capital
You're just a bootlicker
At least Im not a moronic sjw commie like you. Ill never join you anti-white and anti-steaight trannies. Ill fight to the end
Shut up. They support us and are important for the devs.
>"Nintendo good!"
Oh my FRICKING GOD.
Nintendo makes shit games and nobody wants to work there so they have to keep the shit devs in. And they work with yakuza so if anyone leaves its over for them. You need new blood for better looking games. Compare the shit mobile graphics of Wonder with TLOU Part 1.
Seriously kys you "eat the rich, west bad!" Trranny
Ahahaha no fricking way. Even moron can ask AI to gen a code for a game.
>Le bait
>Everytime they can't debate back
Kys
CEOs have to take loans and risks with shareholders for the game. Meamwhile devs can just leave and frick over the company. Workers hold much more power over companies and they should be locked to work there rather than try commie union shit.
Kys
>Plan more efficiently or frick off
Frick off. Devs are the ones not working efficiently. Its on them if shit fails, stop blaming rich when you are too lazy to work.
Seriously this anti-rich anti-work shit is fricking worrying. Mods do your fricking jobn
>you anti-white and anti-steaight trannies
Show me a massive multi-billion dollar corporation that doesn't support Black folk and trannies
I'll wait 🙂
They are forced to add that shit thanks to unions and leftist corruption from government. Kys
>"You're against... trannies and commies????"
>"Uhh...! L-Lemme attack your character than actually debate!!!!!"
Leftists everyone. Bravo, bravo. Everyone clap for this gentleman. Or is that too transphobic, MAN?
Kys troony
Im tired. What the frick happened to Ganker? We never fell so low as to defend commies and their ideologies. Back in 2015 this site was so good.
Im gonna go to browse /misc/. Frick you newtrannies.
Frick you
You will never be an oldgay.
Shut the frick up dumb boomer homosexual. Communism is the new black and you should deal with it or wallow with copeposting about late stage capitalism.
inb4 troony boogeyman strawman terms etc etc
>Back in 2015 this site was so good.
Excellent bait, kek
Nta but being here for 8 years makes you oldgay. He prob knows what he's talking about.
>he doesn't know
Even newer newbie
>Nta but being here for 8 years makes you oldgay.
I truly wish this was bait but it seems sincere. Please have a nice day
>Show me a massive multi-billion dollar corporation that doesn't support Black folk and trannies
Valve. They're pure libertarian neutral.
Any Chinese Gacha game company
>frogposter
>reddit spacing
>moronic opinions
like clockwork
this is a blue board for pete's sake! go peform your israeli blowjobs somewhere else more appropriate.
(You)
>Frick off. Devs are the ones not working efficiently. Its on them if shit fails, stop blaming rich when you are too lazy to work.
It is quite literally not on them if they're not allowed their own input & time to properly get shit done.
>stop blaming rich
Back to school, ESL.
>Devs are the ones not working efficiently.
Compared to what? Your workers show up and you, as a boss, have to organize, manage, and motivate your workers during the time they are there. Then depending on their performance you can either you fire them or you pay them what's asked for in the contract. That is where the relationship between employee and employer ends.
If I asked my boss for extra time off than what's in my contract, he would probably say no. If I asked for an extra salary because I'm in need, he would probably say no. You know what he would say? "Not my problem." So, why is it when my boss needs more labor than they accounted for to deliver the product, that is suddenly my problem? It's just an excuse that companies use to systematically understand their workforce and then use the preexisting deadline which they knew they would never be able to make to justify making sure that none of their employees can have a relationship with their child.
At the end of the day, this is simply a legal issue. I am not legally required to do anything I don't want and I, personally, refuse to sacrifice the best parts of my life in order to make Call of Fifa 24. If you want to then go right on ahead. I can easily find places that respect their workforce with the skills I have.
A boss is supposed to manage and provide feedback, not suck your dick
>A boss is supposed to manage and provide feedback, not suck your dick
So, why is it just assumed that every worker is supposed to get in the receiving position?
An employee is supposed to show up on time and do what's stated in the employment contract for the amount of time stated in the employment contract.
A boss is supposed to run a functioning company. Or not I really don't give a shit as long as my check clears.
>An employee is supposed to show up on time and do what's stated in the employment contract for the amount of time stated in the employment contract.
So if the contract states "develop and release the game by a certain date", what's the problem?
The contract would state something more like you are expected to complete projects on a timeline dictated by your supervisor. These timelines may shift due to the nature of the industry and overtime may be required to make deadlines
That's not how employment contracts work.
The difference between regular hours and overtime is pretty clear but yes, there is nothing to stop an employer in the US from firing you for refusing OT. However, if you need OT that badly you'd be willing to fire someone then you're also likely not in a position to fire people.
>100% of the time we don't hit a deadline, it's because my team is inefficient.
That may be true for your company but as an employee I have no control over whether or not the deadline is reasonable. I worked on a shop floor that was totally mismanaged and inefficient despite all of us doing what we were supposed to. Our boss chilled in an air-conditioned room barely aware of what was going on while we tried to make the mess work. They had wildly unrealistic expectations and didn't give us the tools to do it. Eventually, people got fed up and left and they got new people who did an even worse job. Now, the standard was the ideal expectation. It was my first job and I remember working so hard to get everything done and volunteered to help other stations when I didn't have work. When I got my employee review the only thing he had to say was that the first week of my employment (I didn't have any of the tooling I needed and had to hand make everything) I had held the line up. I realized that after that first week I completely left his mind and nothing I did was noticed.
So, both situations are possible. The question is, who has the power in the relationship? Who has the final say? Workers are basically in the same position as their employer as a 1940's housewife was to her husband. Sure, he could be a great guy but he could also be an abusive butthole and if you leave you'll either find a new man or starve to death. So, if a 1940's house is dysfunctional I would personally never blame the wife because she doesn't have the power.
*granted maybe thats how employment contracts work in gamedev. I've had a lot of jobs in manufacturing, IT, and programming but none of them ever specified a particular project I was working on.
What the floor workers DO have control over is their efficiency. Unfortunately, they can't control their team members efficiency. And neither can their managers. Most of "management" is engaging with associates and providing feedback. But like you keep pointing out, they can't CONTROL their teams efficiency, only the individual associates can.
Now, unfortunately for everyone involved, workers rights prevent managers from doing what any good associate wants them to do, which is cull the shitheads and hire competent workers. Especially if the shitheads are aware of their rights. And you can't make profits writing deadlines that accommodate the shitheads, and that turns into a slippery slope anyway. So, like you are saying, the only one with power to pick up the slack is the workers themselves.
>rights are le bad
Ur israeli
employers don't have rights?
Yes
Who are you quoting? I said it's unfortunate that workers rights prevent the people who need to be fired from getting fired.
Rights are what the government cannot do to you, not what the government must do for you
>doing what any good associate wants them to do
give me endless raises and 200 vacation days a week? your company can eat shit and die, the bossman is going to israelite the nation out of tax revenue anyway, he should be glad we don't show up to work armed with rifles
>What the floor workers DO have control over is their efficiency
Not if they're provided poor direction, absent management, and deprived of the tools necessary to work. Are you the anon who says he's a manager? Because the more of your shit I read the more it's apparent you're one of those piss poor morons in middle management who thinks they're great at their jobs when everybody else around you realizes you're worthless. Your head is lodged insanely far up your ass.
Lmao the employer and employee are on equal footing in the market moron, your housewife analogy makes no sense, there is nothing preventing you from working for a different employer if you don't like yours.
>So if the contract states "develop and release the game by a certain date", what's the problem?
That would only make sense for a one man band signing a contract with a publisher. Your example is typically between publisher and developer (company). Individual workers don't sign shit like that you colossal fricking moron.
>they knew they would never be able to make
There's the rub. You honestly believe that. You have a quitters mindset right from the get-go, its no wonder you cant reach deadlines.
>You honestly believe that.
Do you honestly think that a game company can be in a continual cycle of crunch and the corporate heads each time are like "Okay guys this time we totally won't need to crunch so we're not going to hire any more worker." No, they know that the workforce they have can't complete the deadlines they want. As a worker, I have zero power to set deadlines, manage my coworkers, or deal with staffing issues. The only power I have is to come to work and do the job to the satisfaction of my managers. If my managers think I'm slacking then they can fire me (but I never slack). If the company needs more labor than they have then it's not because of my personal work effort, it's because of all the various aspects of the job that I have literally not even the tiniest say in. If I have no power in your company then I also have no responsibility. You may politely request that I work more hours and I may politely decline. That is the reality of the relationship.
If I had an equity stake in the profits from my work and had some say or vote in decision making them YOUR deadlines would be MY deadlines. But as long as I'm simply renting out my labor time then what happens to YOUR company is YOUR problem. If your company fails then I can just go elsewhere without any problems.
>You may politely request that I work more hours and I may politely decline.
Like that other anon was saying, there is rarely any clause in an employment contract that states a maximum number of scheduled hours, only a minimum. If by "politely request" you mean actually schedule you 50 hours a week, and by "politely decline" you mean leaving before your scheduled shift is over, then you are liable to be fired for attendence. That's not really any different in effect from what you're suggesting, but at least in my experience as a manager, 100% of the time we don't hit a deadline, it's because my team is inefficient. There has never been a goal that every store failed to meet, which means that they are not impossible. It's not gamedev, though.
>calls people doing nothing bootlickers while campaigning to make us slaves of the government
The government sucks because it works for the people we are already slaves to. The idea that government and business are two different things is a complete psyop. They're two gays sucking each other's dick. Once the government is controlled via direct democracy there's no difference between you and the government.
>majoritarianism
Yawn
Shareholders just sue and get their money back. They are a protected class.
i cant tell if you are a dedicated ragebaiter or legitimate moron, either way, frick your company, then use your brain to think about who made the coding AI and whos gonna maintain them
>Tell me who buys all the computers and software for development
>And office space
>And gives the budget
>And the marketing
Wait do you think Mr Goldberg pays for that out of his own pocket?
>if shareholders are gone, its over. That's why they are more important than devs.
there are many devs who have made great games without any shareholders
now show me a single shareholder who made a good game without devs
Fricking destroyed.
>Tell me who buys all the computers and software for development
All your team would probably own that shit anyway they need it to produce shit for their resume to get hired.
>And office space
ALL your staff (besides middle management) want to work from home
>And gives the budget
You get the budget from the prior work your shipped aka the work of your labourers, so they pay for the next game
>And the marketing
posting on twitter is free anon. nobody buys a game because they saw an ad on a bus and zoomers dont watch TV
>If the game fails and doesn't bring profit, the company and shareholders takes the hit. And if shareholders are gone, its over. That's why they are more important than devs.
Frick the shareholders, they haven't done anything and you don't need them. Plenty of unlisted companies do just fine.
What else you got
By the same logic workers own their work then stores own the products they sell to you
Wait now I understand why commie propaganda is everywhere
Yes correct. Workers do own their work if they work for themselves. It's only when they lease their time to a corporation that the corpo adds its tax onto the sale to justify it's own existence. Glad you understand how shit works. And most stores do buy product from suppliers yes. Have you never worked in manufacturing or distribution? Do you think all stores just rent product? Most stores are owned by product manufacturers and are used as outlets so they own themselves to get better tax cuts. No wonder you're scared of the commie bogieman if you don't even know how shit works lmao.
Americans should be killed in all cases
>You have much more responsibility and if the game fails, the company takes hit before the workers.
ha
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ha
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>And you should be thankful you even have a job, especially when you are so replacable and have no loyalty for your company.
As replaceable as the company. People change jobs all the time, and it's always a give and take. Companies take whatever they can from you and don't give a shit about you, if you are not a dumbass, you do the same with them.
bobby kotick sacked in millions of bonuses while they fired hundreds or even thousand of jobs at blizzard the same year
>talentless hags who do nothing at best and actively make games worse lost their jobs
Based.
Yeah, you make the sacrifice of layoffs.
The people working in video games are bad at their jobs and don't actually want to work. If they were both actually good at their work and passionate about video games, they would just be indie devs. Everyone working at a big video game company that requires crunch is basically a failure
How can you say with a straight face that devs of games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Super Mario Wonder are not good and passionate about game development
They get paid better than your average EA slave.
If BG3's staff was paid like EA perma-interns and lived in the homeless infested shithole of California, they wouldn't give a frick if the vidya slop they were worked on was good or bad either.
>you have to make sacrifices
Not your slave. Plan more efficiently or frick off.
>Plan more efficiently or frick off.
I deal with this mindset at work all the time. You don't realize that overtime is the alternative to layoffs. I had to fire someone who said almost exactly the same thing. He had the worst efficiency on the team and refused overtime, then constantly blamed the management team. Maybe actually work when you supposed to, and nobody will need to crunch.
How is that a bad thing exactly?
Punishing everyone because of a lazy team member is not a good idea, dipshit.
If some overtime means the project meets it's deadline, and NOBODY gets fired, I think that's a better outcome.
You know what's even better? Planning the project so that the deadline isn't an issue! Do your job, fricktard!
>plan project
>workers grow complacent with ample time so they slack off
>P-P-PLAN BETTER FRICKTARD
>I don't know how to make my workers work!
>Better just cry on Ganker so I can get sympathy (You)s!!!
have a nice day. You're not gonna make it buddy.
>Dunno why people are so mad at crunch. Its normal and you have to make sacrifices for the product at some level.
If the company wants labour it can fricking pay for it. If I'm working on my own shit and starting up my own business/label/game then sure I'll work crunch all fricking day as it benefits me. But no amount of 'but we're a faaaamily' will get me to sink hours of unpaid overtime in because your company couldn't manage it's fricking manhours properly to ship a product on time a playable state. If it's not ready then fricking delay it you money grubbing fricks.
>uhhhmmm you have to crunch for this product
>also marketing says that call of duty is popular so this fantasy adventure game has to be reworked into a modern FPS, also you will get no extra time or budget to remake the entire game
Try this, laugh at them as you walk out of the meeting, flagrantly mocking your superiors. They will reprimand you but subconsciously they know they are helming a failed project. It freaks leads out. Then they get desperate and start bargaining with you. it's great.
>"NOOOOO!!! YOU HAVE TO WORK OVERTIME FOR FREE FOR THIS GAME THAT COULD EASOLY GET DELAYED A COUPLE MONTS FOR AN OVERALL BETTER PRODUCT!!!!"
Shut the frick up, israelite.
you have to play the meta anon, everything has a meta. You work overtime but you give them a bad blueprint or final draft. When they complain, just smirk and go in for a second draft. Make it worse than the first. Continue as needed.
master baiter
Great artists work within their limits. Office hours are 9 to 5, 5 days a week? Then work within that timeframe strictly. Exceeding the given hours just signifies poor management and resource control.
tell that to any manga artist
Mangaka don't need to be told, it's the dickass publishers who send their agents and editors to harass the mangaka into either creating each chapter quicker or changing the plot to make it more marketable.
Lol I'm sure we'll earn trust and respect for it. I'm sure.
>You earn trust and experience
anon they will literally fire you for posting the wrong thing on your PERSONAL social media account ONE TIME
Don't post things that get you fired
yeah like right wing opinions
Don't post your political opinions, you are not a politician
>Don't post your political opinions
unless they're left wing opinions then we will force you to post them
#BLM
That's not an opinion. You see, the problem is that you push too hard, if from the beginning you'd accept that black lives matter, no one would be bothering you, but no, you have to add more, "hurr durr all lives matter", yes, you are right, but all you are doing is confronting them, which gets you fired.
Black lives don't matter though
dude, what I hate about white people is that value individuals that do nothing but hurt regular people working 9 to five, fixing your HVAC unit. You probably hate black people. Even if you say the opposite I bet it's just this meta game for you. You hate people who aren't the same race as you and your prove it in the polices you support.
I can't hate, it implies caring, personally I simply care about the growth of my environment, so anything that touches it benefits from it, any other action is counter productive.
That's fair, I like kinectic theory as much as the next war mongerer.
You obviously hate anyone who is remotely different from you. Moot point lol.
>You obviously hate anyone who is remotely different from you you frickin' white CRACKA, dumb frickin CUMSKIN
hahahahah
up yours, idiot. respect is earned, not given. your idiot movement don't get respect because you don't give respect.
>cumskin
That's tame, Mexican's term güero means premature baby/uncooked/unfinished
based
>HUrr all fricking whitey deys b WAYCIST cuz deys b WHITE
You wonder why /misc/ types are more prevalent than ever and then you just outright say "I can literally never respect a white 'person'" in the same sentence because you lack the self-awareness to realize the linking variable is you. You're a dark-skinned /misc/tard and are looked at with disdain by everyone around you.
See I want more creative racist terms of white people. Cracka and cumskin don't hit the same as Guero and Gringo (tho I hear Gringo isn't really a racist term as it is a descriptor)
Your words dude, you're just inserting the variables that are required to fit a narrative. I already know how fricking flippant your beliefs are due to dismissive language. Why don't you frick off and suck a inmate dick. You're opinions are full of apologetic criminality.
>You obviously hate anyone who is remotely different from you
and why shouldn't I?
Because if you complain about other people hating you then you're a hypocrite, otherwise carry on.
>Literally everything you'd be doin' is waycist and if you say no you still waycist cuz yo white and wypipo always waycist unlike me frickin CRACKA *smacks lips*
kek
>dude, what I hate about white people is [moron HEADCANNON AND RACIST STRAWMAN]
you cant be racist against whites
Obviously is if you don't have an empathetic explanation universal to the human experience.
says crybaby who started whining about white people out of no where.
Just pull the "I'm an idiot who was trolling" card and be done with it.
Frick you dude, People like yourself do this constantly, consistently, without barriers. And now you wanna b***h? Frick off.
You are a low iq subhuman who is trying really hard to not come across as one.
As we say in our country, tu nunca serás uma mulher.
As you say in your country, "Join brics". Fricking dork.
Maybe you should try crying about whitey some more and see if that changes your life, paneleiro de merda
>#BLM is not an opinion, chud
then what is it? a thinly veiled terrorist organisation?
simple solution, don't use social media
>don't use social media
no need to fire you
you never even got hired
Don't object to political opinions, you are not a politician
OK, get this, we are dogs, why do you bark at other's bark?
What gets you fired changes and applies retroactively
Nah, don't post things like "kys" or "president a shit" under your name and you won't get in trouble, basically, don't post anything that would get you in trouble irl
maybe they should mind their own business if it's a non-affiliated personal account you sheep
this is the truth
no company loves you
no company actually values you
I fricking hate tankies and think commies should be hung from street lamps but even I can see why people aren't working as hard anymore after seeing all this bullshit from the 08 recession and the free govt gimmes they got during the wu flu lockdowns while the rest of us can't even fricking buy a house anymore.
Because bosses are moronic. If it was only temporary it would be fine, but they see that things didn't fall apart for two weeks of crunch and then assume that it can be like that all the time.
> It isn't charity or a playground. Do your work
Pay for the work. It's not a charity or a playground for corpos, either. If the product sucks, I don't give a frick, I got paid. Pay me more to care about your shit management decisions.
The work is being paid for, whiners want time to be paid for instead because it gives no incentive to make a real effort
>The work is being paid for
No it's no you moron lol, your hours are being paid for. After the clock rings anytime you put in after that is just labor being stolen.
>whiners want time to be paid for instead because it gives no incentive to make a real effort
Ok come mow my grass for free. What? Don't want to? That's just because you're a whiner who wants everything for free, a real principled person would mow my grass AND trim my hedges. That's what you get paid for when you're at work so you can put your regular time into doing this.
You'd change your tune quite fast if you were paying me to mow your grass and watched as I spent half the day sitting around with my finger in my arse then told you that if you want it finished that day then you're fricking paying me for the extra time
I'd just fire you, I wouldn't ask you to work overtime to 'fix' it.
>I'd just fire you
But it's not my fault I wasn't managed well enough
Not my problem. Enjoy unemployment.
Literally no one believes it's right to steal overtime from their employees. You pay for the overtime or you frick up a post. you're an imbecile.
>YOU EARN TRUST AND EXPERIENCE
HAHAHAHAHA, GET A LOAD OF THIS moron
I'm """okay""" with overtime if it happens very rarely and only in emergencies. It shouldn't be normal. Nobody knows my name or even personal number and sure as shit no ones gonna come up to me and say thank you.
I don't work OT. Period. Civvies wouldn't get it.
sorry your job is shitty anon :>)
>If it's not in my contract
Most employment contracts only outline a MINIMUM number of hours.
>making childrens toys with free catered food, free housing since devs would just sleep overnight hanging with your bros making games
>le crunch, torture, horrible working conditions
>mfw a fricking civilian tells me that they want no onions in their order
Have some respect
what a weeb
Film?
He is right about the gari but why would a chef serve a sauce that civvies shouldn't use
It's a noob trap
its like summons in dark souls
Q?
>Respecting the Chef
Bueno
>costing him business
No Bueno.
Maybe the chef knew those fricks didn't give a shit and gave them the lower quality cuts. He is right in principle though. Those chefs spend years learning their shit. But consoomers gonna slop, no point getting mad at them. No cell phones should be a sign on the fricking door though if not he's a backseat jannie and that shit is cringe AF.
Nah Japs will literally kick you out if you don't eat their food correctly.
Even a cute vtuber jap girl poured some water into her ramen because it was too hot for her, so she got kicked out for disrespecting the chef even though she hadn't paid yet.
>Nah Japs will literally kick you out if you don't eat their food correctly.
Except this is a jap restaurant in NYC. They won't kick out yuppies those business account fricks are their main source of income.
>even though she hadn't paid yet.
Sounds like bullshit. Ramen places (even Michelin starred ones) work on a ticket machine system where you place your order in the machine, buy a ticket, and then hand that ticket to the staff.
Not all of them. I went to a popular one in Ikebukuro that did the whole cash to a man thing after you finished your meal. The line basically went around the whole block so they'd have a guy taking orders outside as well.
Machines are shit for managing lines.
>Machines are shit for managing lines.
Nah, they're great. People get their ticket and then wait outside in a line.
They're fine for solo places. I was in a group so human places worked much better.
It's fine for groups as long as the place has tables inside. 俺流塩 comes to mind. If it's only a counter, then the payment system doesn't matter because you're all not going to be sitting near each other either way.
>no I've never spoken to a Japanese person or have any idea when they actually eat sushi, but I can quote wikipedia so I'm an expert on what they eat there
Fricking idiot.
This. People really gotta learn to pick their battles, which is also relevant to the crunch stuff
I'd kick his fricking head in.
assrape
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO EAT A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE OF THE BUSHIDO CODE YOU ARE BRINGING DISHONOR TO YOUR FAMILY IF YOU EAT IT WRONG
lmao this man has watched too many tranimes
>*follows the man home*
>*kidnaps the guy*
>*van parks, he drags the guy out*
>IF YOU WANT TO EAT LIKE AN ANIMAL, I'LL DRAG YOU OUT IN THE FOREST, SO YOU CAN EAT LIKE AN ANIMAL! LIVE LIKE AN ANIMAL!
>*takes out a shotgun and aims at the guys head*
>DIE LIKE AN ANIMAL!
>*pulls the trigger*
>*guys head explodes*
I want to be a writer.
He doesn't even use chopsticks tho
most nips eat sushi with their hands, especially nigiri
This is how people in this board act the only difference is they wouldn't dare say it in real life
Sushi is one of those things that is absolutely hilarious considering that it is basically fast food in the traditional sense; they were never meant to be high class food, vinegared rice was meant to make shit rice longer lasting and the fish is just laid on top of them so they could pick it up and eat it and go.
Then came the modern sushi era where sushi chefs got so autistic about their craft to the point that they were elevated to high class food. Well, outside of japan anyways. Fish is cheap in japan and unless the obviously high class place sushi is seen as comfort food.
Like tacos.
sushi is in reference to the rice, which is of better than normal quality, not raw fish. raw fish is sashimi. sushi is like a sandwich. you can put anything on it
>sushi is seen as comfort food.
No it's not, you idiot. It's special occasion/celebration food.
>During the Edo period (1603–1867), a third type of sushi, haya-zushi (早寿司、早ずし, "fast sushi"), was developed. Haya-zushi differed from earlier sushi in that instead of lactic fermentation of rice, vinegar, a fermented food, was mixed with rice to give it a sour taste so that it could be eaten at the same time as the fish. Previously, sushi had evolved with a focus on shortening the fermentation period, but with the invention of haya-zushi, which is simply mixed with vinegar, the fermentation process was eliminated and sushi became a fast food.
Fricking moron
>basically fast food in the traditional sense
>Then came the modern sushi era where sushi chefs got so autistic about their craft to the point that they were elevated to high class food
There is this thing called reading comprehension, it is okay to admit it when you realize you are incorrect, you know?
Have you even been in japanese sushi chain restaurants before?
>There is this thing called reading comprehension, it is okay to admit it when you realize you are incorrect, you know?
There's a thing called having no idea what the frick you're talking about and not arguing based on shit you're read online.
>Have you even been in japanese sushi chain restaurants before?
I've been to more 回転寿司店s than you ever will. That doesn't change the fact that you're an ignorant fool pretending to be a cultural expert because of shit you read online. Sushi is not viewed as fast food or comfort food, it's viewed as a special occasion thing. Even 回転寿司 isn't an every day or every week or even every month thing.
>vanillagay seething at modchads
It may seem cringe, but he's correct in standing up for something he believes in so. That "No" with a head shake is a very specific emotion I have only ever cared enough to feel once. Like it or not, his fury is righteous and thus even if perceived as wrong, the will with which he holds that conviction gives him a measure of actual justification.
I'm convinced most people online who complain about crunch don't actually care about workers or devs but wanna dunk on shit they don't like on Twitter and feel morally superior about it
The people complaining about crunch 90% of the time are the least important people who don't do anything most of the time they are "working" and only have to crunch because they are slacking off the entire time they are supposed to be working. You know the webms of people "working" and it's just them eating all day and answering one email? Those are the people complaining about crunch. They're also the reason why games cost so much. Musk was right, every company should be cut by 50%
How is work not getting done until the last minute without management noticing?
Middle management is slacking along with them, then upper management comes in and slaps their shit and they make it everyone's problem for not being a good leader
Nice job Nancy Drew you cracked the case, how has nobody ever thought that before
the BADASS COOK I HAVE TATOOS AND SWEAR A LOT is truly one of the funniest creations of the amerimutt "culture"
these stupid homosexuals are so insecure that they had to manufacture this ridiculous circus act because they thought cooking was too feminine
Even The Bear made fun of that by making Joel McHale shit on Carmy to the point he leaves Michelin star restaurants to help his an hero brother
Joel McHale really will do anything won't he
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It's the best scene in the show to be fair since it shows that Carmy is a hack that's only carried by the name of the restaurants he worked at
I liked the intro where he was hosting a cooking show and realized that too
Whats the point of this scene? Looks like its in his head and he feels doubt.
its true but nobody thinks theyre badass theyre just burnouts who are strungout on meth
They get pussy
luckily overtime is paid at 1.5x wage
if the management is so bad at organization and planning that they have to pay extra to get shit done then that eventually comes back on them.
is op picrel kino?
It's one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever seen. I have normie friends who make me watch normcore on occasion. It's got millennial overwritten syndrome where every character speaks in witty twitter clapbacks and never actually does anything because they are too busy whinging at each other to get shit done.
I really liked the first season, especially the first couple episodes where you didn't know what the frick was going on. Haven't bothered to watch the second season
THESE FRICKING CIVVIES WILL NEVER KNOW TRUE TRAUMA. I HAD TO MAKE A GRILLED CHEESE
Imagine having loyalty to a fricking corporation holy shit
Mfw "crunch" is a bigger problem to the world than children working in colbalt mines
>BUT WHAT ABOUT LE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT WORSE??
Don't care
>western game devs when they can't ride the patreon pony forever
>western game devs when they actually have to release some sort of product
>western game devs when they have to leave their discord echo chamber
>western game devs realizing adding Lucy the gay brown b***h to their game didn't sell any more copies
>western game devs resorting to nitpicking the Japanese game that was more popular than theirs
>crunch
Explain this to me
Does your boss show up and tell you to finish the game by x date then frick off for a year? How can you be so mismanaged that nobody notices you're behind schedule until the night before release?
video game company gets its leadership from the marketing dept. they are not engineers and don't understand how software development cycles work, all they know is when the next milestone is coming due and to start sweating if the latest build doesn't look like it's going to pass. before that, they have no way of gauging progress because none of them are STEM majors, planning and evaluation sounds a lot like all the hard stuff they avoided in school to get their "4.0 GPA" from social studies.
Because we can't predict the fricking future you moron. Shit, specially jobs that requires creativity go through a ton of changes and issues can pop up at any moment.
>They support us
crunch isn't that weird.
the game is about to launch and we need all hands on deck for a week.
most of the time you just sit there jacking off if you actually did your job and every once in a while someone will ask you about something and that's it. the reason why everyone b***hes about it because it only affects incompetent employees when they suddenly have to try and do a month's work in one week.
>tfw boss doesn't understand browsing twitter all day is real work
You have to admire how brave some anons are, to just come out here and expose their sheer stupidity
hope you're getting paid for it honestly
>/pol
>newtrannies
The irony
I never take overtimes at work. Even with extra pay I still wouldn't be able to afford getting my own place. I need to make double at least to afford absolute minimum. Frick this gay earth.
jesus what a sad picture 🙁
Just get a better job bro
I started a new shift at my job, its 11 hours a day. I want to die. I've tried to quit but there's really nothing anywhere else that pays as much with my set of skills. Its mandatory overtime, yet they reprimand you for having overtime.
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People unironically think they are in link related and that it's le deep
Yes, it does suck to have to do extra work without compensation. For some reason it's legal in the US.
Its legal everywhere. If you're on a salary ie a fixed wage rather than an hourly rate, and you're contract will say "you may be expected to work extra sometimes as the job requires"
Who is mad with 5 hours overtime? That shit is tight and not what anyone is complaining about
Why do Americans hate workers rights?
We believed McDonald's workers who said they needed $15 an hour, only for them to do worse jobs and the costs were passed along to us. We hate it because it hurts us.
anon, the way you're explaining it makes it sound like mcdonalds just cut corners and lowered the overall quality, so they wouldn't lose any profit from raising wages, not exactly the fault of the workers
They raised the prices.
israelites took advantage of the cold war to convince americans that having a backbone is le evil comnunism so now you have an entire generation of people who are unironically proud of wasting their lives on increasing mr. steinberg's profit margins while receiving zero additional compensation in return
This is why you never take a salaried position. They'll work you to death and use your salary as a weapon to beat you with if you try to cut down. Yeah 80k a year sounds nice but when you work it out those 70 hour weeks mean you're getting paid shit compared to hourlies on lower 'per hour' wages. Salaries are great if the hours are low but they never fricking are, they rope you in with a high sounding number and trap you in a fricking cage. Meanwhile hourly 'morons' are getting double time for overtime hours and you're slurping up butt gravy hoping to get a promotion when your shitty middle manager moves up and so you can be him in a decade.
Depends on the job. I was an 80k a year restaurant manager when I was younger and it was slavery hell. Now I make 120k as a data analyst and can work leisurely from a hotel between stints at the bar and fricking women on international business trips. But I've had employers try to rope me in as though we were family and I'm quick to tell them to suck my dick. Most people simply lack any fighting spirit. You might get fired or have to scrape for a while but losing your dignity and humanity isn't worth it.
what a strange switch. Are you a lifelong techy?
>Lifelong
No, data analysis is my first job in the sector, and I literally started it via coursera. I drifted between hospitality, sales, to construction/DC work, and along the way developed a personality and was repeatedly recognized for my people skills and offered management/leader positions. Which I politely declined, since being a restaurant manager at 24 (I'm now 32) made me realize I never want to lead again. I want to be an invisible well-paid oompa loompa with the ability to travel. I realized I wanted to travel and work remotely when available so looked backwards at job opportunities and eventually settled on getting a job in data analysis. Took the cert, bolstered my resume, left my account open on linkedin/monster/indeed, etc, talked to some people, eventually landed a hybrid role with a medical company. I've been all over the place but I know how to talk to people, and that's worked in my favor.
Where did you find your first data analysis job? I'm trying to get into that (have a semi-related educational background) but every single job I see posted online is senior/principal level.
I was contacted via LinkedIn by a recruiter and offered a junior role which started at 90k and grew from there. My advice to you is to make various accounts on hiring sites (my main 3 were indeed/monster/linkedin) specify that you're interested in data analysis, and make sure your resume looks good by utilizing key words you'd find on a listing for the role. If you're not confident in your resume skills, I'd recommend using chatgpt or fiver to have somebody write it for you. I paid 50 bucks years ago to a former HR lead on fiver to write my "career profile" for me summarizing my decade's worth of skillsets. I got many more invites after she helped spruce me up. Use every resource you can to be seen. Don't be afraid to embellish so long as you can justify it lager. Your ONLY responsibility is to yourself, you are valuable labor, and thr only thing that matters is getting your foot through the door. Additionally, if you think you're shy? Work on your charisma. I 100% owe most of my success to my personality and conversational side, since a lot of people are simply awkward and poor at expressing themselves. Not just in tech but in general. Developing good social skills has no price but is honestly invaluable. Good luck.
>Your ONLY responsibility is to yourself, you are valuable labor, and thr only thing that matters is getting your foot through the door.
Sorry, this was supposed to conclude, "get your foot through the door into that interview." The interview, obviously, is everything. Your resume is simply a trailer for a hot videogame. You, in the interview, are the first impression and opening level. Remember that the sector is competitive, thousands of people are competing for your role, so do whatever you can to separate yourself from other resumes, and sit tall and proud and speak clearly and confidently when in the actual interview. And if you lack that confidence, practice. Ask for advice. See what successful, confident people do. Before DA I was in sales, clean-cut with a suit and tie, delivering that fake car salesman persona like my life depended on it. I hated salesmanship, but it was invaluable life experience for my careers future, so I have that skillet to fall back on. If you do, use it. If you don't, look up videos and books to help you improve.
>I was contacted via LinkedIn by a recruiter and offered a junior role which started at 90k and grew from there.
A friend told me the same thing and I did that but nothing ever came of it. I think HR people hate me because I have a STEM PhD and gained analysis skills during it, but that's not what my degree says so they all think I'm overqualified and underqualified at the same time.
>Additionally, if you think you're shy? Work on your charisma.
Not a problem at all. I'm great at interviews, I just can't get any, or when I do land them I at some point have to deal with an HR person that simply doesn't want to hire me. Or in some cases I'll get hiring managers that look at my academic background and try to put me somewhere I don't want to be at all. I'll try the chatGPT thing. I've heard it can be great for building up a resume in terms of SEO, I just never imagined it would really matter that much in terms of buzzwords being all they cared about.
I hear ya, man. That sucks. Does your resume list your PhD? Maybe take it out. I never attended college, my resume doesn't even have an "education" bracket because besides my certification (and a real estate license I did frick all with) all I have to offer is my life experience.
> buzzwords being all they cared about.
Remember that HR are likely going through hundreds if not thousands of resumes every day. They couldn't care less, but those buzzwords make their job much easier. My advice? Make it easy as frick to contact you. Are you handsome, by chance? Put a picture of yourself in your resume. Whatever angle you have, use it.
>Does your resume list your PhD? Maybe take it out.
Thought about it, but then I have a very big gap in time I need to explain.
>Are you handsome, by chance? Put a picture of yourself in your resume
You can do that? I thought it was frowned upon.
>Frowned upon
Who cares? Stand out. The goal is to be seen. I'm handsome but not Chris Hemsworth so my resume is just my name up top. But if you're gorgeous and women want to frick you? Go for it. Of everybody is following the same rules how are you going to differentiate yourself, you know?
>I'm handsome but not Chris Hemsworth
Same. Plus they can see me on my linkedin profile anyways. I'll try the resume thing and see if that ends up with anyone contacting me. What certs did you get? All the DA stuff I know is just from teaching myself things and then using them in my research during grad school. I never had to get any certs for that.
ALWAYS have 'Frick You' money. And never be afraid to walk from a shitty situation. In the same way that people always get promoted to the level of their incompetence (Peter Principle) there will always be fresh idiots to work in the shitty situations, make sure it's not you. Find the good job openings when you can.
>80k a year sounds nice
Only a moron would actually think this for salary. Salary is for big boy roles 150K MINIMUM but I wouldn't take one for less than 300K.
>but I wouldn't take one for less than 300K.
Oh yeah and I'm sure your first ever salaried position was a quarter of a million dollars a year. We're talking starting positions to work up anon, not big boy positions. The first time a salary is waved in front of most newbies faces it's for less than 100k and that's how they get you, that's exactly the lesson I'm espousing here.
lets be real most "work" in the office is bullshit like getting coffee and fricking around. The 70-80s hours per week is such a stupid rich office worker cope. Yeah you might physically be there but most of the time is bullshitting around with maybe a couple hours of work a day. Add female office managers that have to make the office a fun daycare with mandatory activities and it's even less.
Overtime is slavery just like working.
It's comedy how quickly Ganker is becoming third worlders
Literal twitter tier arguments and threads going on here, how long before Ganker is just fight videos
It's understandable in a short stretch of time that everyone is aware of beforehand, but if it's constant crunch for months on end without overtime pay (contractor employees) then yeah frick that. I like to have a life outside of work, and it's not like game devs are curing cancer or anything, they're just making video game that people are just going to call woke and ESG on here anyway.
>my customers... ordered food?
Being a chef is fricking punk rock, I don't understand a civillian to understand.
>t.Served frontline prep cook battalion
Any of you incel qanon Ganker Metal Gear Solid 5 motherfrickers wanna get out of line now?
Loved seeing his character eat shit over and over again
I liked how he got his shit together in season 2 though. I love stories of guys fricking their lives up and completely turning it around.
>A bunch of sweaty nerds in full cosplay showed up to a shitty rundown pizza joint in a shitty part of Chicago to huddle around the one arcade cabinet they have becuase of a instagram post
Seems really silly now that I'm thinking about that part
I want to feel bad for game devs but they make six figures minimum and their overtime checks are probably more than most people in the country make in six months. If they really hate it so much they can make their own studio with like 5-6 people if they worked in the industry for like five years or so. They have enough money to sustain a life in a LCOL area if they stop obsessing over silicon valley and other big cities while they work on their own projects. They would even have enough to do that, fail, close their business, and go back to gamedev or any other software dev job and still be perfectly fine
>with overtime
OP you don't understand how salary works. You are given a years salary at once. I'm rich, b***h! The work schedule is rear loaded (in your ass), so every sits around bragging about what they are going to do with their money. Then crunch time starts. What they are going to do is order new clothes, because they are now living in the office. There is no home visitation, because the contract said so when they signed it.
Are you moronic?
The problem isn't that they're having to work extra hard the problem is that the games they're working on are bad.
>Ganker on Any doing overtime in any other job or profession
>"YEAH FRICK THAT, I HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF WORK"
>Ganker when it's overtime for a game dev related job
>"GET BACK IN THAT FRICKING CHAIR AND PISS IN A BOTTLE, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE YOUR FAMILY UNTIL THE GAME IS READY FOR RELEASE"
Dude, if you don't want to piss in the bottle under the desk, I got you. Give me your connects, I'll do whatever work you're not capable of. Don't mind pissing in bottles.
That's pretty based of game deves, frick corporations and frick shitty bloated AAA
>you should work for free
Why is Ganker so israeli?
If you're a contractor then you're not going to get paid overtime.
I simply cannot see crunch as anyone's fault besides the teams working with the project on a day to day basis, though that includes supervisors. They know "Gotta get done in 10 weeks, so we should do 10% every week" and then act surprised when they phone in 5% every week and have to make up that difference at the 11th hour.
Precisely dude, if no one is pulling their weight then you have every right to frick off. This is shit you can discuss with your team during weekly meetings. If they don't wanna pick up the pace then don't slay yourself for a project nobody gives a frick about. Fable remake is a prime example.
>Western game devs when you tell them they have to work an extra five hours a week with overtime in an air conditioned office in order to accomplish a deadline
Actually, the webm makes me wonder why Americans cannot have personal lodging. Are they literally that poor that they have to stay in hotels and harass people all day?
what the hell are you talking about
Just pointing out how lazy north americans are. I don't mind working for projects that I'm passionate about. But americans seemingly hate art. I'm just acknowledging that.
what does that have to do with staying in hotels
Dude, you work for a shitty studio. Good people pay for your shit. That's all I'm saying.
am I talking to a bot
Frick, I used to work for epic in chapel hill. The best dudes let you mess around all day as long as you adhere to schedule. A lot of people aren't on this level. Which is why the work for indie studios.
>That's all I'm saying.
That's not all, no. You mentioned hotels. What's that about?
When you work for a sick ass company they pay for all kinda of shit, It's the best fricking gig in the world. Unless your employers suck at and can't let you personally talk to the B team. It's the most aggravating shit. And if you're telling me you can't function without proper communication that just lets me know you haven't built anything good in your life. Step up your game and get the benefits you deserve.
The kid was spineless and didn't tell moron to frick off. I dealt with entitled morons when I used to work at a hospital desk and there are ways to deal with them instead of backing down like a limp wrist.
qrd or full video
>slack-jawed hicks who have only worked at Wal-Mart think paid overtime is standard in an office job
>wagie jobs
>paid overtime
you are equally as ignorant my friend
>moron commies that make college education an oxymoron are ungrateful for the salary they don't deserve
it's ok, you'd know better if you actually worked
Today I sent my CV to a bookstore 30 minutes away from my city. They were searching young people with passion for mangas and capable of talking in english. I hope they get me brcause even if it's far from my home, that job would me perfect for my capabilities. This job would also give me more time to keep studying tech-related stuff, which is the stuff I studied for the whole 5 years in highschool, but unfortunately corpos won't hire graduated people without 37 years of experience.
>t. Italian
You're a kid.
>mutts in charge of worker's rights
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well is it paid overtime at least?
if so I dont really see the problem
once the project finish they probably laid off all your ass anyway
so might as well get some extra hours in
Did the Romans have to do overtime?
>nepotism babies are huge b***hes
Woah, shocking!
>My uncle got me a wage slave job!
>when you ask the western game devs to do their frickin job instead of crying on whatever shit hole they went to after x dot cum
>Instead of attempting to draw for 6 hours, you'll do it for 8
Drawing is soooo tiring 🙁
I actually enjoy it, I'm a mech fan working on a battletech manga. I enjoy every minute of this project. it's unique and I hope to give people what they are looking for.
Assuming you're being cute and ironic, you obviously don't draw for videogames - it IS difficult and tiring. If you can draw, prove it
I'd work overtime if currency actually retained it's value
>this entire thread
Honestly zoomers not willing to do any extra work at all is just natural selection. They'll never advance in their career, get a shitty retail job or live on neetbux, and will blame capitalism and da jooz for all their problems.
One thing for certain is that they won't reproduce because nobody wants to live with a lazy bum with 0 ambition and work ethic.
Good riddance.
>bottom left
woodberry
Whoa whoa whoa, capitalism is based but let’s not discount hating the israelites
>work crunch at a famous studio 10 years ago
>13 hour days, 7 day weeks, 28 days in a row before getting one Sunday off
>take a pillow to work so I can sleep at my desk over "lunch" (1am)
>make great friends
>make great memories
>journalists expose trench life as awful and exploitative
Mind your own fricking business you lazy queers
dude, no, frick you. stop making games like spiderman 2. if you work on cool project I won't hate on you.
Nobody was crunching to make gay spiderman brownoid shit 10 years ago
They crunched hard on that, you're insane. Nobody wanted to make that game.
expose trench life as awful and exploitative
and here we have stockholm syndrome
Mind your own fricking business you lazy queer
you sound mentally ill
lmao at the replies telling you how you should feel
I’ve decided not to enforce crunch or overtime. Our product is now delayed 4 months. As such we are now only getting paid 95% of what is stipulated in our original contract. As such my employees are now going to take a pay cut for the next 12 months for not having what it takes to meet their obligations in time. Life is full of choices after all. It’s only fair for them to accept the consequences
it's not the time, it's the fact that the bullshit never stops and maybe I think it would be better to fail a few milestones rather than literally slave to keep the circus going
on the bright side I guess it's nice to know bots can't pass the Turing test yet
another r/antiwork jerk session
who's paying you to astroturf it tho
I unironically laughed when I saw that image of a Starbucks employee keeled over on the ground because he had to stand for like three hours. That isn't even an excessive amount of time pushed by obscene corporate demand, that would just be the average experience of any human for most of our history.
People are mad at crunch because their seems to be no accountability for moron managers requiring crunch because they mismanaged a project. Don't get me wrong, I've no doubt that many people on the ground level team are morons themselves and have bad work ethic, but it's still on the management to keep them in line. Because usually there's a small contingent of ground level staff already working their asses off, and crunchtime is like an unnecessary punishment for the people who had been overachieving the entire time.
Yeah but anon, they are not under extreme working conditions, it's bad that they have to work more, but they are sitting on a nice chair working on a computer, maybe getting some snacks, so getting another 2 months of that is not that bad.
So what? Who wants even more free time sucked away because of mismanagement and moronic coworkers? A middle manager should be fired for every extra week of crunch. Everyone knows supervisors run everything at damn near every company anyways.
What are their jobs
>draw more
>play an unreleased game and find bugs
>rewrite some code
>make some 3D models
>do some optimization
I do that shit as a hobby.
Used to be a grunt
now I'm a manager
been on both sides of the bullshit
I hated it when I was already crunching and no one else was, but I still wasn't given a raise
so I left those shit places
now I'm a manager
and I see the shitheels who need to nut up and deal with it because they're getting overpaid and I know how much they slack
these people normally only really "work" about 30 hours a week so don't feel bad for them
there are still good apples but I think about 75% of them aren't really all that hard working and can deal with some crunch
the rest I make sure get the lion's share of my budget for raises so they stay on and feel appreciated
when I don't get any money for raises I tell them I'll write them a letter of recommendation if they need to go somewhere else that values their hard work better
Lord knows I do the same thing when I see my execs are useless sacks of shit
I'm glad you actually appreciate the hard workers under you, good for you. Most managers just bank on some hardworking grunts/supervisors to keep things running while they sit on their phone all day and take all the credit.
>and I see the shitheels who need to nut up and deal with it because they're getting overpaid and I know how much they slack
Too fricking bad. Overtime is overtime and you're paying them for an optional position for their post.
This is the thing managers don't fricking get: If you want this to be a permanent deal for their position you either need to fire them and hire someone else OR pay them for the extra hours as part of their contract. They need to meet 80 hour a week deadlines? You better fricking put that in the contract otherwise they can just say "Tough luck butthole" and leave at the end of the day. They have no loyalty to you and your "WELL IN MY DAY I WOULD GET A RAISE FOR WORKING LIKE A KEK FOR MR GOLDBERG SHLEKSTEIN" doesn't mean shit nowadays because raises are rare, bonuses are nonexistent, and people jump from job to job like they're they're speed dating.
So why the frick should they stay at your company under your management when your mis-management relies on perma-crunch? Because they hsould "value hard work"? LOL, maybe you should value their pay.
>yet another thread in which Ganker proves 90% of it never worked an office job in its life
It's like listening to women talking about patriarchy.
Working overtime shouldn't be normalized, office or not. Also, I've worked construction and I've also worked sales. Offices are 100% more fricking soul destroying than outdoor physical work.
YOUR lack of planning is not MY emergency
Just as your lack of employment isn't mine
>firing your tribal knowledge
good luck with that, chief.
>get into industry widely known for its crunch periods
>OH NO! HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN! THIS CRUNCH IS LITERALLY RUINING MY LIFE I DON'T DESERVE THIS WE NEED TO UNIONIZE
it's like wanting to become a hollywood actor and then getting mad you have to frick old fat producers for roles
>WHAT THE FRICK DO YOU MEAN I NEED TO DO MY JOB IT'S MY MENTAL HEALTH DAY
>working comfy high paying job in crypto and Web3 crap because the ecosystem is full of ideas guys with deep pockets and very few devs
I work like 10 hours a week, tops.
Why is Ganker filled with so many corporate cumrags?
It's shills posting on their off hours and ex-shills.
Once you come here, you're here forever. Applies to them as well.
Why IS crunch so frowned upon in the game dev industry but EVERY OTHER FRICKING JOB IN THE WORLD if your boss tells you to come in to work something you're not scheduled for no one gives a shit?
Why should I feel bad for fricking game devs when they're all buttholes anyways who don't listen to feedback?
You're telling me they can tell their boss to go frick themselves when asked to work overtime but can't tell them that they're not gonna implement Pay to win battlepass bullshit in their game? I don't buy it.
It's because you are solely focusing on game development. This is a consistent thing across so many industries, especially in tech.
Anyone undergoing crunch is a management issue. Removal of content in games (see OW2 PvE) is a management issue. The people working in management have never actually coded anything significant in their life and don't understand the realities of the job and what can be accomplished.
I'm sure you know a lot about what it's like to work in the industry, dumb b***h
You're a wagecuck.