because tobacco originates in the new world, so the only candidate for a smokable weed with psychoactive effects is the old world's own native marijuana.
When tolkien wants to say "potatoes" he says "potatoes".
But when it comes to a smokable herb with psychoactive effects, he says "pipe weed", "hobbit leaf", etc., never "tobacco".
I think it's obvious what he actually meant.
Ephedra and valerian were both occasionally smoked in Persia, and wouldn't be unknown in Europe pre-columbian exchange.
I suspect though Tolkien was mimicking the soma question.
The narration straight up calls it tobacco in the books. The characters just call it pipe-weed because Tolkien had an autism about people in Middle-Earth using a Native American loan word (nevermind that "potato" is a loan word too).
>Elves: Wine
I agree >Dwarves: Whisky
I disagree, they aren't cowboys, it should be ale >Orcs:Moonshine
What are they Southern hicks from the Depression era US? I'm not actually sure what they drink. >Humans: Beer
I agree >Haflings: Grapa
Actually Ale >Gnomes: Lemon Liquer
Again not sure
>Elves: Wine
I agree >Dwarves: Whisky
I disagree, they aren't cowboys, it should be ale >Orcs:Moonshine
What are they Southern hicks from the Depression era US? I'm not actually sure what they drink. >Humans: Beer
I agree >Haflings: Grapa
Actually Ale >Gnomes: Lemon Liquer
Again not sure
>Elves: Wine >Dwarves: Ale >Orcs: Grog >Humans: Nothing or spirits >Haflings: Elderflower mead, mulled wine >Gnomes: piss
>Elves:
Cider/Wine and Fruit Brandy (Fruity and with a wide variety of flavors for Elves to have pointless arguments about) >Dwarves:
Ginger Beer or Vodka (hardy plants like the Dwarves and provide a blend of strong flavor or mixability) >Orcs:
Kumis and Arkhi (dairy based Mongolian drinks, Orcs aren't usually super agricultural but usually do have some sort of animal husbandry going on so it just makes sense) >Humans:
Beer and Whiskey (Simply the most widespread forms of alcohol really) >Haflings:
Mead and Rum (sweeter and more palatable fitting the sometimes childlike nature of halflings, whilst also still being strong drinks) >Gnomes:
Sake and Absinthe (Frankly Gnomes are weird so their drinks would probably be something weird)
Tried to give each one a fermented drink and distilled drink, without having any repeating ones. (several sources call Arkhi a vodka despite being made with dairy idk what to make of that I'm not really an alcohol expert)
Although realistically if you want to flesh out your races alcohols of choice you should just figure out what they're growing or have an abundance of.
Alcohol is pretty much a universal constant so if it can be done it probably has been.
>Elves
Elves aren't really the drinking type. They probably just get high on psychoactive berries or something. If they were it would be herbal schnapps, cider, wine, absinth and stuff like that. Everything made using only the purest spring water from the sacred grove. >Dwarves
Cellar beer, fungus beer, ... there'd probably be a wide variety of beers to pick from. They probably have a strict rule for brewing and what is allowed to be called a beer similar to the german Reinheitsgebot. Also vodka and whisky that is so strong you could use it as motor fuel and every non dwarf drinking it would instantly collapse. >Orcs
Fermented something. Suspicious smell. Thick-footed. Black color. Tastes like shit. Really get's you shitfaced and ready for pillaging though. >Humans
Everything >Halflings
Butterbeer, tea with a shot, eggnog. Definitely something comfy that goes well with pastries
>humans, dwarves, halflings
Beer, but all have different styles they lean into more, with humans strongly influenced by their region while dwarves lean strongly toward stouts and halflings are famed for always making some sort of doppelbock >elves and gnomes
Wine, with a few alchemists experimenting into distilled spirits but the elves always use the results in fruity wienertails while other races are just figuring out how they did it to make other drinks >orcs
Mead. Orcs trnd not to farm, and raiding honey from bees is just as good as raiding food and weapons from their neighbors. Mead is just rare enough among orcs to be considered a king/chieftan's drink, and so their brewers have gained notable skill in the art. Occasionally some orc mead is recovered after a battle, or very rarely awarded to an outsider who impresses them, and is considered a true prize by those who get to sample it. Elves and dwarves refuse to admit anything orcish could be good.
Do you think elves make wine by having girls jump on the berries barefoot
No they employ haflings for that. What you think your overly expensive european wine was pressed with cute italian girl feet? Nah man they employ gypsies.
Elves don't make traditional wine. They make mead. Wine is an agrarian product. Elves wouldn't have a vinyard. They'd harvest honey in the woods.
They also wouldn't have bread unless imported.
My elves make wine from forest fruits rather than just grapes, but sure the girls stomp it down. Femboys too. High elves leave it at that but the wood elves make the fruit stomping a big festival and plenty of new elves and half-elves are conceived among those elf maids who end up with fruit juice stains in places other than their feet. Humans in fact may compete to collect juice stains in different colors to prove they were with a number of elves working different batches.
Kinda of. Your pic related is the result of a seasoned elven lass “post juicing”, the characteristic maceration process unique to the production of fine elven wine.
See, elves were originally bred from dryads kept as a living “vineyard” of sorts by a mad wizard.
Theyve kept the tradition up.
>Elves:
Cider/Wine and Fruit Brandy (Fruity and with a wide variety of flavors for Elves to have pointless arguments about) >Dwarves:
Ginger Beer or Vodka (hardy plants like the Dwarves and provide a blend of strong flavor or mixability) >Orcs:
Kumis and Arkhi (dairy based Mongolian drinks, Orcs aren't usually super agricultural but usually do have some sort of animal husbandry going on so it just makes sense) >Humans:
Beer and Whiskey (Simply the most widespread forms of alcohol really) >Haflings:
Mead and Rum (sweeter and more palatable fitting the sometimes childlike nature of halflings, whilst also still being strong drinks) >Gnomes:
Sake and Absinthe (Frankly Gnomes are weird so their drinks would probably be something weird)
Tried to give each one a fermented drink and distilled drink, without having any repeating ones. (several sources call Arkhi a vodka despite being made with dairy idk what to make of that I'm not really an alcohol expert)
Although realistically if you want to flesh out your races alcohols of choice you should just figure out what they're growing or have an abundance of.
Alcohol is pretty much a universal constant so if it can be done it probably has been.
>sweeter and more palatable fitting the sometimes childlike nature of halflings, whilst also still being strong drinks
Halflings probably make a mean Caipirinha.
>Elves
Elves aren't really the drinking type. They probably just get high on psychoactive berries or something. If they were it would be herbal schnapps, cider, wine, absinth and stuff like that. Everything made using only the purest spring water from the sacred grove. >Dwarves
Cellar beer, fungus beer, ... there'd probably be a wide variety of beers to pick from. They probably have a strict rule for brewing and what is allowed to be called a beer similar to the german Reinheitsgebot. Also vodka and whisky that is so strong you could use it as motor fuel and every non dwarf drinking it would instantly collapse. >Orcs
Fermented something. Suspicious smell. Thick-footed. Black color. Tastes like shit. Really get's you shitfaced and ready for pillaging though. >Humans
Everything >Halflings
Butterbeer, tea with a shot, eggnog. Definitely something comfy that goes well with pastries
>humans, dwarves, halflings
Beer, but all have different styles they lean into more, with humans strongly influenced by their region while dwarves lean strongly toward stouts and halflings are famed for always making some sort of doppelbock >elves and gnomes
Wine, with a few alchemists experimenting into distilled spirits but the elves always use the results in fruity wienertails while other races are just figuring out how they did it to make other drinks >orcs
Mead. Orcs trnd not to farm, and raiding honey from bees is just as good as raiding food and weapons from their neighbors. Mead is just rare enough among orcs to be considered a king/chieftan's drink, and so their brewers have gained notable skill in the art. Occasionally some orc mead is recovered after a battle, or very rarely awarded to an outsider who impresses them, and is considered a true prize by those who get to sample it. Elves and dwarves refuse to admit anything orcish could be good.
I'm with you on Orcish mead, but by thesis of it being a primitive raid, I think the drink is actually for children to make. As an orc brat you go get some honey, make some mead with your friends, and get piss drunk.
Elves >live in forests >Fruit wines and spirits distilled to levels that would kill drinkers without decades of experience, often infused with psychotropics for added effect
Dwarves >live in mountains >fungus isn't sweet enough to ferment, lower-settled mountainhomes can brew beer using grain from fertile valleys, deeper and higher forts use a variety of other drugs instead
Humans >live in plains and fertile river valleys >beer, gin, whiskey, anything made from cereal grains, the spread of human spirits hit the other races harder than opium hit China
Orcs >live in steppes, deserts and other bad lands for growing >airag brewed from livestock milk and simple spirits made from foraged fruits and grains
Halflings >live in fertile hills good for non-cereal crops >vodka, berry wine, cider, and kilju strong enough to work as napalm
Gnomes >do not ask >do not accept anything offered to you at a gnome establishment
What dogshit setting are you running where your orcs having any sort of self-made food counts as "noble savagery"? LOTR and Warhammer have orc food and orc culture as well, and those kinds of orcs are far from your average Warcraft shittery.
Your definition of livestock is very limited. The Mongols had livestock in the form of horses and cattle, and brewed liquor from mare's milk.
The even more savage Warhammer Orkz have livestock too, with squigz and boars. Getting Squig-milk would probably be closer to just squeezing one like an orange, but it still counts as livestock. We know that Orkz prefer to have weaker greenskins do logistics for them, but we also have plenty of evidence that they can do it themselves.
Sauron's orcs partially sidestep the question because Tolkien didn't give much of a shit about logistics beyond offhandedly mentioning vast armies of slave farms off in the fertile regions of Mordor, but there is nothing that says orcs exclusively relied on those farms' output to feed themselves. If they did, isolated goblin and orc tribes would starve without a constant source of targets. We know the Uruks have alcohol (or, even better, medicine) that wasn't looted, we know they have rations and we know they cook.
If two different fully-militarized races of orcs/orkz can put together enough of a culture to tame animals and brew drinks, a race of orcs with less explicit supernatural support can do it too.
Elves make wines. They aren't super picky when it comes to what fruit they use. Grapes, berries, apples, blends; all good. It isn't made in industrial ways, more so that each large family trends to have its own cellars and gardens/orchards/vineyards.
Dwarves make spirits, mainly due to enjoying forging and building elaboate stills. It also stretches out grain use and lasts longer. Whiskey isn't it though, dwarves love heavily flavored gins; with all sorts of funguses and things in it.
Halflings and humans are both beer brewers with so many variations that's it's hard to tell whose made what. No purity laws, so the definition of "beer" is broader.
Gnomes are like a combination of elf and dwarf. They like fruit, but also think stills are neat. Grappa, lots of liquers, brandies; etc.
Orcs are mainly beer makers for day to day drinking (though they mix fruit and such into the mash); but do build the occasional still. They make a version of whiskey by filling casks with spirit; burying/hiding them in caves and recovering them when the group circles back into that area next.
>Wines
Elves: A lighter red like Pinot Noir
Humans: A heavy red like Cabernet Sauvignon or a sparkling white wine
Halflings: Mead
Gnomes: Moscato >Beers
Elves: Cider
Dwarves: Stouts
Orcs: Fermented Milk or some atrocious mix of fermented beverages
Humans: Ales
Halflings: Wheat Beers
Gnomes: Lagers >Spirits
Elves: Brandy
Dwarves: Scotch but even smokier and peatier
Orcs: Vodka
Humans: Regular whiskey
Halflings: Vodka-based liqueurs
Gnomes: Brandy-based liqueurs like Creme de Mure
Orcs drink rye vodka that contains a stimulant with similiar effects to methamphetamine.
Drinking it enables marches by foot that last for several days without having to sleep.
Halflings are actually known for their "pipe weed" in LOTR. (IF you know what I mean)
What is with the need of stoners to interpret every obvious reference to tobacco in fantasy as being to marijuana?
No lol
It's just a joke about how "the finest weed in the South Farthing" sounds funny through modern connotations.
That said LotR was originally quite popular with hippies so you could argue it was an OG stoner book
Hippies, however, were not popular with Tolkien, who called them "deplorable c**ts".
Fun fact: the ancient forbade marijuana smoking for non-shamans.
because tobacco originates in the new world, so the only candidate for a smokable weed with psychoactive effects is the old world's own native marijuana.
Hobbits had potatoes which are also a New World Crop so that means they can have tobacco.
When tolkien wants to say "potatoes" he says "potatoes".
But when it comes to a smokable herb with psychoactive effects, he says "pipe weed", "hobbit leaf", etc., never "tobacco".
I think it's obvious what he actually meant.
tobacco is a leaf.
and what about potatoes you shit-eating moron
Ephedra and valerian were both occasionally smoked in Persia, and wouldn't be unknown in Europe pre-columbian exchange.
I suspect though Tolkien was mimicking the soma question.
Both tobacco and potatoes were brought from Valinor by Feanor's expedition.
Gandalf probably spent time trying to perfect Potatabacco.
The narration straight up calls it tobacco in the books. The characters just call it pipe-weed because Tolkien had an autism about people in Middle-Earth using a Native American loan word (nevermind that "potato" is a loan word too).
>Elves: Wine
>Dwarves: Whisky
>Orcs:Moonshine
>Humans: Beer
>Haflings: Grapa
>Gnomes: Lemon Liquer
>Elves: Wine
I agree
>Dwarves: Whisky
I disagree, they aren't cowboys, it should be ale
>Orcs:Moonshine
What are they Southern hicks from the Depression era US? I'm not actually sure what they drink.
>Humans: Beer
I agree
>Haflings: Grapa
Actually Ale
>Gnomes: Lemon Liquer
Again not sure
>Whisky
> disagree, they aren't cowboys, it should be ale
Fricking amerimutts man, I swear.
: Whisky
>I disagree, they aren't cowboys, it should be ale
The frick is wrong with you
>Elves: Wine
>Dwarves: Ale
>Orcs: Grog
>Humans: Nothing or spirits
>Haflings: Elderflower mead, mulled wine
>Gnomes: piss
Correct take
Let me tell you a secret: whisky and moonshine are the same thing.
Isn't whisky aged in wooden barrels?
>Elves: Mead
>Dwarves: Ale
>Orcs: Moonshine
>Humans: Beer
>Haflings: Wine
>Gnomes: Brandy
Do you think elves make wine by having girls jump on the berries barefoot
No they employ haflings for that. What you think your overly expensive european wine was pressed with cute italian girl feet? Nah man they employ gypsies.
Elves don't make traditional wine. They make mead. Wine is an agrarian product. Elves wouldn't have a vinyard. They'd harvest honey in the woods.
They also wouldn't have bread unless imported.
My elves make wine from forest fruits rather than just grapes, but sure the girls stomp it down. Femboys too. High elves leave it at that but the wood elves make the fruit stomping a big festival and plenty of new elves and half-elves are conceived among those elf maids who end up with fruit juice stains in places other than their feet. Humans in fact may compete to collect juice stains in different colors to prove they were with a number of elves working different batches.
Kinda of. Your pic related is the result of a seasoned elven lass “post juicing”, the characteristic maceration process unique to the production of fine elven wine.
See, elves were originally bred from dryads kept as a living “vineyard” of sorts by a mad wizard.
Theyve kept the tradition up.
Orcs moonshine would be more like changaa.
>Elves:
Cider/Wine and Fruit Brandy (Fruity and with a wide variety of flavors for Elves to have pointless arguments about)
>Dwarves:
Ginger Beer or Vodka (hardy plants like the Dwarves and provide a blend of strong flavor or mixability)
>Orcs:
Kumis and Arkhi (dairy based Mongolian drinks, Orcs aren't usually super agricultural but usually do have some sort of animal husbandry going on so it just makes sense)
>Humans:
Beer and Whiskey (Simply the most widespread forms of alcohol really)
>Haflings:
Mead and Rum (sweeter and more palatable fitting the sometimes childlike nature of halflings, whilst also still being strong drinks)
>Gnomes:
Sake and Absinthe (Frankly Gnomes are weird so their drinks would probably be something weird)
Tried to give each one a fermented drink and distilled drink, without having any repeating ones. (several sources call Arkhi a vodka despite being made with dairy idk what to make of that I'm not really an alcohol expert)
Although realistically if you want to flesh out your races alcohols of choice you should just figure out what they're growing or have an abundance of.
Alcohol is pretty much a universal constant so if it can be done it probably has been.
>sweeter and more palatable fitting the sometimes childlike nature of halflings, whilst also still being strong drinks
Halflings probably make a mean Caipirinha.
Kumis and arkhi are regional names for the same thing. Kumis is Kazakh, arkhi is Mongol.
>DWARVES
FUNGUS BEER
>ELVES
FUNGUS BEER
>ORCS
FUNGUS BEER
>HALFLINGS
FUNGUS BEER
>GNOMES
FUNGUS BEER
DRINK YER FUNGUS BEER
>Elves
Elves aren't really the drinking type. They probably just get high on psychoactive berries or something. If they were it would be herbal schnapps, cider, wine, absinth and stuff like that. Everything made using only the purest spring water from the sacred grove.
>Dwarves
Cellar beer, fungus beer, ... there'd probably be a wide variety of beers to pick from. They probably have a strict rule for brewing and what is allowed to be called a beer similar to the german Reinheitsgebot. Also vodka and whisky that is so strong you could use it as motor fuel and every non dwarf drinking it would instantly collapse.
>Orcs
Fermented something. Suspicious smell. Thick-footed. Black color. Tastes like shit. Really get's you shitfaced and ready for pillaging though.
>Humans
Everything
>Halflings
Butterbeer, tea with a shot, eggnog. Definitely something comfy that goes well with pastries
>Cellar beer, fungus beer
Don't forget root beer!
At my table goblins are known for making wine from mushrooms. Dwarves hate it.
All alcohol except "eating rotting fruit" is a human invention.
>humans, dwarves, halflings
Beer, but all have different styles they lean into more, with humans strongly influenced by their region while dwarves lean strongly toward stouts and halflings are famed for always making some sort of doppelbock
>elves and gnomes
Wine, with a few alchemists experimenting into distilled spirits but the elves always use the results in fruity wienertails while other races are just figuring out how they did it to make other drinks
>orcs
Mead. Orcs trnd not to farm, and raiding honey from bees is just as good as raiding food and weapons from their neighbors. Mead is just rare enough among orcs to be considered a king/chieftan's drink, and so their brewers have gained notable skill in the art. Occasionally some orc mead is recovered after a battle, or very rarely awarded to an outsider who impresses them, and is considered a true prize by those who get to sample it. Elves and dwarves refuse to admit anything orcish could be good.
I'm with you on Orcish mead, but by thesis of it being a primitive raid, I think the drink is actually for children to make. As an orc brat you go get some honey, make some mead with your friends, and get piss drunk.
Chief's on the moon mushrooms.
Elf: prosecco
Orcs obviously drink kumis, a spirit made from fermented horse milk. It's the traditional drink of choice in Central Asia.
Elves
>live in forests
>Fruit wines and spirits distilled to levels that would kill drinkers without decades of experience, often infused with psychotropics for added effect
Dwarves
>live in mountains
>fungus isn't sweet enough to ferment, lower-settled mountainhomes can brew beer using grain from fertile valleys, deeper and higher forts use a variety of other drugs instead
Humans
>live in plains and fertile river valleys
>beer, gin, whiskey, anything made from cereal grains, the spread of human spirits hit the other races harder than opium hit China
Orcs
>live in steppes, deserts and other bad lands for growing
>airag brewed from livestock milk and simple spirits made from foraged fruits and grains
Halflings
>live in fertile hills good for non-cereal crops
>vodka, berry wine, cider, and kilju strong enough to work as napalm
Gnomes
>do not ask
>do not accept anything offered to you at a gnome establishment
>virgin elven spirits
>chad drowish ”humors”
>fermented in the comatose bodies of spider bite victims, aged to perfection in silken webs
>his orcs are noble savages
What dogshit setting are you running where your orcs having any sort of self-made food counts as "noble savagery"? LOTR and Warhammer have orc food and orc culture as well, and those kinds of orcs are far from your average Warcraft shittery.
Sorry but if your orcs herd livestock they are noble savages to me
Your definition of livestock is very limited. The Mongols had livestock in the form of horses and cattle, and brewed liquor from mare's milk.
The even more savage Warhammer Orkz have livestock too, with squigz and boars. Getting Squig-milk would probably be closer to just squeezing one like an orange, but it still counts as livestock. We know that Orkz prefer to have weaker greenskins do logistics for them, but we also have plenty of evidence that they can do it themselves.
Sauron's orcs partially sidestep the question because Tolkien didn't give much of a shit about logistics beyond offhandedly mentioning vast armies of slave farms off in the fertile regions of Mordor, but there is nothing that says orcs exclusively relied on those farms' output to feed themselves. If they did, isolated goblin and orc tribes would starve without a constant source of targets. We know the Uruks have alcohol (or, even better, medicine) that wasn't looted, we know they have rations and we know they cook.
If two different fully-militarized races of orcs/orkz can put together enough of a culture to tame animals and brew drinks, a race of orcs with less explicit supernatural support can do it too.
Alright you made a point and I changed my mind. Your orc are fine. They have my blessing.
Elves make wines. They aren't super picky when it comes to what fruit they use. Grapes, berries, apples, blends; all good. It isn't made in industrial ways, more so that each large family trends to have its own cellars and gardens/orchards/vineyards.
Dwarves make spirits, mainly due to enjoying forging and building elaboate stills. It also stretches out grain use and lasts longer. Whiskey isn't it though, dwarves love heavily flavored gins; with all sorts of funguses and things in it.
Halflings and humans are both beer brewers with so many variations that's it's hard to tell whose made what. No purity laws, so the definition of "beer" is broader.
Gnomes are like a combination of elf and dwarf. They like fruit, but also think stills are neat. Grappa, lots of liquers, brandies; etc.
Orcs are mainly beer makers for day to day drinking (though they mix fruit and such into the mash); but do build the occasional still. They make a version of whiskey by filling casks with spirit; burying/hiding them in caves and recovering them when the group circles back into that area next.
What class drink the most do you think?
Bard.
Depends on the party really, in my current group our heaviest drinker is our probably alcoholic one armed catboy fighter/thief
He's having a rough go of things
>Elves: Champagne
>Dwarves: Buckfast
>Orcs: Chibuku
>Humans: Porter
>Halflings: Port
>Gnomes: Schnapps
>t. people who have never drunken alcohol
>Wines
Elves: A lighter red like Pinot Noir
Humans: A heavy red like Cabernet Sauvignon or a sparkling white wine
Halflings: Mead
Gnomes: Moscato
>Beers
Elves: Cider
Dwarves: Stouts
Orcs: Fermented Milk or some atrocious mix of fermented beverages
Humans: Ales
Halflings: Wheat Beers
Gnomes: Lagers
>Spirits
Elves: Brandy
Dwarves: Scotch but even smokier and peatier
Orcs: Vodka
Humans: Regular whiskey
Halflings: Vodka-based liqueurs
Gnomes: Brandy-based liqueurs like Creme de Mure
Orcs drink rye vodka that contains a stimulant with similiar effects to methamphetamine.
Drinking it enables marches by foot that last for several days without having to sleep.