What are the best Pokemon games post-GBA? I've played the originals, gold silver, yellow, ruby/emerald and I think a few more. What are the best ones on DS and onwards (2005-2023)
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Platinum and the gen 2 remakes
HGSS
XY
USUM
PLA
Seconding this list. If you like the side games, Pokemon Ranger: SoA is also neat for showing a non-trainer perspective of working with pokemon, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky is maybe the best pokemon game full stop, and Pokemon Conquest is a weird fire emblem thing that's interesting.
Is Black 2/White 2 good?
yes they're great, huge team variety early compared to most official games
Id replace XY with BW2 but good list otherwise, frick the haters
Heart Gold/Soul Silver>Platinum>Sun/Moon
The rest are ehhh.
I'm still kinda bummed out about how they ruined some of the original sprites.
Those aren't even the original sprites.
Anything beyond XY is not worth playing with the exception of Legend Arceus if you like the concept of the Safari Zone, but way more "refined"
>Anything beyond XY is not worth playing
why
Not that anon, but GameFreak never figured out how to actually work in 3D so the games have exponentially worse performance and loss of features while stagnating in the standard formula. Scarlet/Violet could've been a breath of fresh air with its open exploration and more sandbox style, but it's just so cripplingly marred by glitches and performance issues that even though I loved it I can't really endorse it.
> GameFreak never figured out how to actually work in 3D
yeah, you’re right, gen 4 does have terrible performance. But you’re still recommending gen 4 so your post makes no sense.
> and loss of features
what features
>Alola is a guided tour of a series of hallways where you babysit a worthless invalid
>Galar is pure undistilled britbong cringe with a hideous art style and a plot that makes sure to barely include the player
>Paldea is blatantly broken and unfinished, and lacks a sense of direction or soul
Gen 6 isn’t very good, but it’s over-hated. XY and ORAS have plenty of good.
>Alola is a guided tour
how’s this any different from gen 5
If you are trying to imply that unova’s dialogue is anywhere near as insufferable as alola’s minutes-long unskippable cutscenes I’m going to call you a moron and leave your thread.
I don’t remember doing a 10 minute long tutorial for a movie minigame in gen 7 and team skull was a lot more interesting and funny than team plasma so the cutscenes were more entertaining than gen 5
moron
moron
>hideous art style
i see people saying galar artstyle is fine look anime unlike paldea
because its the same shit but worse but it has been since gen 4 just the 3d did it even worse
>because its the same shit but worse
how
>the 3d did it even worse
what did 3d do that’s worse
Pokemon substantially becomes less and less of an RPG from that point forward the cracks in my opinion started to showed since Diamond and Pearl, but the franchise was still willing to play along with that genre in mind
XY is worth playing, but just once tho. It does have a lot of interesting ideas, and the early game is probably the best the entire series has seen, but the game also rushes itself immediately after the 3rd gym and the pacing is all kinds of wack.
But anyways, my previous statement of Pokemon becoming less of an RPG is that there doesn't really exist anything in the 3D games that you can divert yourself to when you get tired/bored of the main plot of battle system. Yeah the 3D games have things like PokeAmie in XY, PokePelago in SM/USUM, and PokeCamp in SwSh/SV, but none of those things are like Pokemon Contests in Gens 3/4 or the PokeAthelon in HGSS. The former just exists as a complement to the main combat system of Pokemon whereas the latter are entirely different modes within the games that hold their own mechanics and stat distributions.
You just battle, but mainline Pokemon games almost never push Pokemon to even half the amount of depth the system holds because you have to make sure the games are still easy and accessible enough for barely-literate children to beat and the Affection Mechanics in Gen 6+ are an opportunity for this, but is never utilized how it should be.
> Pokemon substantially becomes less and less of an RPG
how
>but the game also rushes itself immediately after the 3rd gym
how
> is that there doesn't really exist anything in the 3D games that you can divert yourself to when you get tired/bored of the main plot of battle system
Since when were RPGs defined by the number of irrelevant minigames they have that have nothing to do with the main gameplay loop?
And even then XY has trainer customization, which none of the previous games have, Pokemon Amie, which none of the previous games have, berry farming which gen 5 doesn’t have, PR videos, Super Training, hotel minigames, and fishing so even then your post makes zero sense
> but mainline Pokemon games almost never push Pokemon to even half the amount of depth the system holds
Why are you ignoring the battle facilities?
>how
I already explained anon. The whole thing about the lack of side content in the 3D era of games that don't just exist to complement the main combat?
>how
I also explained that. The pacing goes out of wack with after the 3rd gym. The length from the start to gym 3 is as long as gym 3 to the end of the game. That's bad pacing, which isn't super noticeable for a first playthrough.
>Why are you ignoring the battle facilities?
I didn't. You just ignored what I typed in the first place. You would know I was talking in the context of the main plot if you actually read what I typed.
Speaking of battle facilities, it makes sense the majority of players didn't bother to deal with them because it takes this long to have a team capable of competing: https://youtu.be/0rySR-cmors?si=YFrkQ8YdaoF6794V
Ironic as now that building a team is as quick as ever with the most recent games, there are no more battle facilities.
> The whole thing about the lack of side content in the 3D era of games
1. There is side content
2. Side content has nothing to do with how much of an “RPG” a game is, that’s an autistic fanfic you made up
>The length from the start to gym 3 is as long as gym 3 to the end of the game.
1. It isn’t though
2. How is it a bad thing if the length of the game is the same as previous games?
> You would know I was talking in the context of the main plot
So…you are ignoring battle facilities? And why is this a problem with gen 6+ when gen 1-5 have the exact same problem?
>1. There is side content
I know anon. I've already stated this before.
The idea that games can go from 7-8/10 to 4/10 solely because they don’t have some shallow mini games is ridiculous
Yes, a game series that prides itself on immersion gets worse when there are fewer immersive features to mess around with.
You’re right, it isn’t immersive when I can’t do something as basic as customizing my trainer and I’m stuck having to play as a palm tree haired twink the entire time in BW2
I still don’t see what this has to do with your LE 3D BAD boogieman
>You’re right, it isn’t immersive when I can’t do something as basic as customizing my trainer
Excatly, which is why Scarlet and Violet taking a step back from a set of games that came out 9 years prior to it is a bad thing. Glad we're on the same page.
I have never considered Pokemon particularly immersive , the setting doesn’t make any sense it’s just a backdrop for magical animal wienerfights
>less and less of an rpg
for me its contrary now ther eis more dialogue shit and some characters now have mor eline and personality shit unlike past games
its all a laggy fricking mess that holds your by your hand the entire way. ok the game is for kids but even so.
crystal is kino
>its all a laggy fricking mess that holds your by your hand the entire way
Then why are you recommending gen 4 and 5 which have both those problems except worse
>Legend Arceus
Why do morons keep shilling this godawful excuse of a game
It's too much of a collectathon with buttfrick moronic and tedious objectives
There are barely any trainer fights
As a casual Pokemon player, if I want to play some Pokemon it better have the 8 gyms, the rivals and Elite 4, it's cliché as frick but that's what makes those games comfy and fun, the sentiment of growing ever stronger and BTFOing any trainer in your path with your trusty 'mons
Scarlet/Violet is unironically a better game than this pile of shit, despite the technical nightmare that it is.
Not everyone wants that out of a pokemon game. Some people just want the opportunity to frick about in the woods with their pokemon, and Arceus was great for that. It's not a perfect game, I readily admit its technical issues and performance problems, but I had a lot of fun with it because it let me meander through fields of pokemon and treat them as actual creatures in an actual space rather than just RPG encounters.
That's what I don't understand
You get the exact same experience in Scat/Vomit, and you get the usual trainer fights, plus the world isn't segmented into maps
There's also a far better Pokemon selection in Scat/Vomit
I saw that Arceus had slightly more active Pokemon catching mechanics (being able to throw Pokeballs on the fly) but that defeats the whole thrill of engaging a legendary, making sure you don't kill and desperately throw balls with your palms sweating
You want to play knockoff dragon quest. I want to play the game pokemon could be if it shed most of those JRPG trappings. We want two very different things from the series.
>There are barely any trainer fights
oh no there's barely any filler content where you do nothing but click A against some trainer shitmons twice? whatever shall I do!?
KEK
Post the Magikarp one.
>trust me bro, pokemon arceus is far better than mainline games
All of the DS games, spin-offs included, are great. The DS was the last great era for Pokemon.
> The DS was the last great era
in what way
OP, I just want to let you know that your thread summoned an autist from /vp/ that will shit on everything if you criticize the 3ds games, you can tell by her fixation in targeting gen 5. With that being said this anon is 100% correct:
>don’t ask questions please just listen to my unova circlejerk because I can’t actually defend my games the second I have to actually start referencing the game’s objective qualities
KEK
Not remotely surprising. Every individual game ever has at least one dedicated autistic shitposter, whose only direction in life is shitting up threads that mention it.
why does this site always attract these types of autists?
like look at this shit , no one mentally sane does this , how shit is your life that you have to create discord channels to autistically sperg over a decade old children's game?
Anonymous imageboards represent a lack of accountability for acting like a moron for attention. But it didn’t get this bad until the zoomers became old enough to shitpost.
I really wanted to see pokemon in a 3D World. I don't know what to do at this point. Do I support it and by the product? Should I just pirate and enjoy the mediocrity? Or should I buy the product to encourage the things I like? I can't decide.
Arceus is worth paying for. They were actually trying something and although the game needed another few months of polish, the core vision is there and shows infinitely more promise than anything mainline has done in a decade.
none play better games instead moron, if you palyed the first gen you played every game
Best post-GBA games are, in order, BW2, HGSS, BW, Platinum
Nothing else mainline is worth playing.
this is only correct post
anyone suggesting legends arceus should be scrubbed from the gene pool
> Nothing else mainline is worth playing
why
platinum and mystery dungeon sky
>Gen 4
Platinum. It's same as DP but more refined.
>Gen 5
Choose black or white, ignore black2/white2
>Gen6 onwards
who cares
every past gen 4 is not pokemon and not a japanese region so you should just play platinum and hgss
>bw
dont play these trash this is the beginning of the decline of pokemon, they were creatively bankrutp they copied kanto pokemon with a dogshit artstyle lmao
Volt White 2
Unbound
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Case in point, see? I said all DS games are good to see her reaction but she lashed on gen 5 specifically again. I hate how I can tell that shit just from browsing /vp/
Lol you are pretty autistic yourself to recognize other shitposters
I am but ut's not that hard in this case.
All pokemon are the same shit you can play whatever, only there are some game have "postgame" battle facilities nobody played or cared
bw2 and hgss are the best. id recommend black and white 2 for you purely because its something different.
3ds games are fun only if you can find someone to play with, otherwise i wouldnt bother.
what’s fun in bw2?
nothign special the same shit like other pkmn games, people just praise gen 5 because they call it the most" mature pokemon game" because some characters like N look like a persona character and hilda rosa for coomershit
hg/ss are the bet mainline games, just play them
>the games became bad because they have less side content
>but gen 5, which removed ribbon collecting, secret bases, contests, fishing before the postgame, and berry farming is exempt from this because…..uh shut up
The more a group of autistic shitposters hate a game, the better it is. This is ALWAYS true. Gen 5 inspires literal dozens of threads full of samegayging every day. This means it is good. It’s true of every single game ever made. This post will inspire seethe, which is how you know I’m right. A thread asking for recommendations, without mentioning Gen 5 specifically, attracted crossboard autists from a containment board. There’s your glowing endorsement, OP.
> The more a group of autistic shitposters hate a game, the better it is.
Damn, so SS and SV are actually the best Pokemon games ever? Or do those conveniently not count because you happen to agree with the take that they’re bad?
>Goalposting
lmao , anon was right , go back to your containment board moron
only Platinum and hgss, bw is americanslop and a flop you can skip it, that's why gf keep ignoring gen 5
Not gen 5 that's for sure, you only get irremedeable garbage
Play Drayano's ROM hacks. I'm currently playing Blaze Black 2 Redux on DraStic emulator and having a blast.
I want to play his HGSS romhack...but does it take away the magic of the game?
>Farfetch'd got turned into a make-shift hawlucha
KINO
Platinum, both gen 5 games, ORAS, PLA
Platinum is ok i guess
HGSS is must-play
BW/B2W2 are also good and worth your while
I would honestly skip the 3DS games altogether, each of them have their moments but overall they aren't really worth the time
Play USUM if you really want to try a 3DS game
PLA and SV are both worth playing, but if you had to pick one switch game I would choose PLA
>I would honestly skip the 3DS games altogether
why
Mostly due to them either not having a lot of engaging content (XY), being far too handholdy (SM and USUM), etc.
There aren't a lot of good battles either, aside from USUM.
The biggest pro in XY/ORAS favor was the multiplayer, which provided a lot of the postgame/depth that those games lacked (aside from the delta episode) but that's an irrelevant factor for this conversation.
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Reason I say to skip ORAS is that Emerald is a better Hoenn game, OP might as well just play that.
>either not having a lot of engaging content
what makes gen 4 and 5 have more engaging content
>being far too handholdy
how is this different from gen 5
Pmd explorers of the sky.
BWBW2 are the peak of pokemon and I would personally avoid the rest. HGSS are good if you do want more, Platinum (not dp) is PASSABLE, XY is trash but probably the best post-3d-transition games. SM has good mons but is basically unplayable, and the rest of the series is just unplayable.
>BWBW2 are the peak of pokemon
in what way
>and I would personally avoid the rest
why
>What are the best Pokemon games post-GBA?
Just play them. They're all ok. Even the most controversial games SwSh and SV are benign. The only really mediocre gen is 6, not a fan of either of either XY or ORAS, would rather play everything before and after. BW is a bit mediocre too I guess.
I wish the female MC for Soul Silver was as frickable as Dawn
To each their own, I think Lyra's more frickable than dawn. I like her thigh highs.
hmmm well she does have a munchable pussy
Explorers of Sky is the best Pokemon game of them all.
>I want to play the game pokemon could be if it shed most of those JRPG trappings.
kek
Arceusissies have been real quiet since these dropped
I actually enjoy the game as a whole but these Pokédex requirements are fricking ridiculous. That and I still can't find any fricking Cherrim for the sidequest despite visiting all of the areas where it's supposed to spawn.
Just because your mother took nine months to realize she couldn't be in the same room as you doesn't mean other people don't figure it out in 15 minutes. You'll have more conversations if you put in the effort to become someone even remotely worth talking to.
>Plays the game wrong on purpose
>This game sucks amirite guys XD
You're not supposed to get all the research tasks done. The 4th and 5th columns are just there for Pokemon that you use on your team.
>you're not supposed to engage with the only content the game has to offer
The only purpose of the omegagrind challenges is to boost shiny odds
Bizarre amount of XY revisionism in this thread, though I guess we've reached the point where the posters on this board were children in Gen VI. X any Y are the two worst games in the franchise, and Pokémon never really recovered.
>Bizarre amount of XY revisionism in this thread
true
the way people are pretending it doesn't have side content even though it has objectively more than gen 5 or that it invented problems that already existed in the DS games is bizarre
it's some discord/vp tards with a chip on their shoulder, pay no mind to them
im 35 and sorry but X and Y are the best of the 3d pokemon and that's what people mostly mean
Name a better 3d game, its not sun and moon, its not sword and shield and it sure as hell isn't S&V
Legends Arceus
nah
All of those games are better than X and Y, which had barely any new pokemon, no postgame, a nonsensical plot, the most forgettable cast of characters in the series, a totally broken central gimmick (that was promptly abandoned), and insanely high levels of nostalgia pandering that totally drown out whatever personality Gen VI might have had.
It also has the dubious distinction of being the only generation never to get a follow-up to fix its problems. GF abandoned Kalos at the first opportunity, and frankly, good riddance.
>which had barely any new pokemon,
So you think Platinum/HGSS/BW2 are bad because they have zero new Pokemon, right?
> no postgame, a nonsensical plot,
These are lies
>forgettable
I remember them fine
>insanely high levels of nostalgia pandering
This exists in every game where I have to fight 8 gyms and the E4 for no reason except “kanto did it so we have to do it too”
You're gonna have to get better bait than that if you really want to start a gen war, mate. It takes practice. You'll get there.
Platinum
HGSS
BW2
USUM
Legends Arceus
Radical red
Is it hard to get Scarlet exclusives mons when playing Violet now that the game is one year old?
My autism compels me to fill the pokedex entirely, I fear Koraidon might be near impossible to trade against Miraidon unless you stumble on a nice dude
God fricking dammit they're forcing me to buy Scarlet as well so I can trade myself the mons with Pokemon Home
you shouldnt be playing that game anyway
Why?
Because they're not good games.
But considering that you want to complete the dex in said game, nothing I say will convince you otherwise. Most you'll say is "okay, but I still enjoy the games anyway" and continue playing.
>nothing I say will convince you otherwise
That's just you admitting you don't have argument but feel the need to seethe anyway.
imo no, it is extremely easy to complete the paldian dex if you use the pokemon home trade system. there are people just throwing shiny legendaries around like its nothing
i catch literally hundreds of just garbage shitmon pokemon in Lets Go Pikachu and dump them all into the wonder box and usually come away with several dubious perfect IV shinies, gamefreak doesnt care though
>Is it hard to get Scarlet exclusives mons when playing Violet now that the game is one year old?
No, online is still going strong. You can probably go make a thread in /vp/ or ask on Showdown and get them right now.
>playing shitty rip offs
none play dragon quest instead the original pokemon
Gen 4-5, MD Explorers and Blue Rescue/DX, Ranger, Conquest, Arceus and ORAS. Everything else is just awful.
I wish Fusions was open source or they would continue expanding upon it
Such a neat and fun concept
>or they would continue expanding upon it
the engine literally cannot handle any more pokemon, they're allegedly working on a new engine but we'll all die of old age before it gets a beta release