>destroys a kingdom before fricking off to northrend >gets disenchanted off reality as a final punishment >sylvanas genocides an entire race and tries to destroy reality itself >gets his good side back and gets forgiven by pretty much everyone
was it fair?
Arthas‘ good side was effectively lobotomized and therefore there was basically no chance at redemption. Because Corruption works like this. It doesn’t matter if it‘s fel corruption or undead corruption, an evil clone of yourself basically takes over your body. That evil clone might have agency, but it’s still an evil clone. If it’s voluntary, you seem to have more agency as an evil being. Illidan for example had enough agency to fully control his evil. Kel‘thuzad was a follower of the LK, before he turned undead and therefore he is loyal, whether or not the LK can enforce his will on him. Arthas though, was a special case. He was pounded psychologically for months to prepare him for an involuntary corruption, which meant he was too disturbed to resist and if his good side even knew what was going on, it hated itself too much to do anything. Sylvanas was turned into an Undead completely involuntary without breaking her will, so she turned evil, but could only be controlled via direct orders and would not proactively do anything for the cause without being forced to. And as soon as the LK‘s control wained, she was still an evil being, but yearned for independence.
At least that’s the official story. I think initially they went with the idea that it was actually the real Sylvanas reasserting herself, given how much they portrayed the Forsaken as innocent victims, but Sylvanas proved it was just cynic behavior to get sympathy from the living. In reality the real souls, the real personalities of all Undead were replaced by an evil alter ego.
Thats what still bothers me about the Soul shard thing.
From the lore, only a small fragment of Arthas' soul was taken by Frostmourne. And it was later established that Frostmourne takes around half of the soul when its used to kill.
When Jailer took out the Arthas' shard, it's noticeably smaller than the other shards which were from Frostmourne's victims. Arthas' shard was held with his thumb and finger, while the Sylvanas shard was held by his fist.
So that would mean that the shard that was used on Kingsmourne only a small part of Arthas' main soul.
If so, where's the rest of him?
Whittled away, Uther says as much. They're not going to bring Arthas back again, they want to be done with Warcraft's plotlines so they can do their own zany bullshit.
Thats moronic. They can easily keep Arthas banked for a cosmic war plot, but instead cemented his exit from the plot to bank Sylvanas instead.
Imagine: >Cosmic war between light and dark >Time to gather allies from everywhere >Decide to cash in debts from the Shadowlands
>Go to Shadowlands >Maldraxxus is in ruins. Revendreth is empty. Hippieland is locked away >Go to the Maw through a portal in Bastion
>Maw is full of soldiers from all covenants >They take you to their leader >Arthas rules as leader of the Maw, advised by Kel'thuzad the octuple agent and Anub'arak >Without his good shard, Arthas is now pure lawful evil >Sylvanas in a cage at the bottom of Torghast >Anduin hanging out with Arthas.
i highly doubt blizzard is going to use shadowlands any time soon with how much hate that expansion got, besides blizz is going for the "the void is bad but so is the light, also the titans lñied to you, the old gods werent that bad btw"
No, but Warcraft’s lore, narrative decisions, and overarching story has been frickoff stupid for almost two decades so it’s water off a duck’s back at this point because I don’t play the slop, I simply jack off to it. >Tirion has a chance to redeem Arthas’ soul through his ‘heart’ in WotLK >chooses not to end the campaign and literally redeem a paladin with less bloodshed for the lolz
It’s been downhill since
>Your son comes back looking like an emaciated corpse >Carrying a sword with a fricking skull on it >Wearing armor covered in skulls >Walks towards you with this mean looking, unpaladin-like sword drawn
Terenas deserved it, what a fricking moron.
Not when he comes back alone from his unsanctioned military excursion that I explicitly ordered withdrawn only for that order to be ignored while looking like that.
You lose the mission if Mal'Ganis gets to them first. Nah, Arthas killed them all.
7 months ago
Anonymous
by killing them, arthas saved them from becoming thaddius
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sure, but nobody actually knows that. Arthas didn't explain, everyone who opposed his call left, everyone who supported Arthas left for Northrend immediately afterwards. As far as anybody knows by the time Arthas comes back from Northrend alone looking all deathly and shit, he unilaterally decided to kill everyone in Stratholme and immediately left for Northrend to kill undead, that's it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
by the time arthas came back everybody knew the plague turned people undead. they knew arthas killing everyone in strathholme was justified
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, they didn't, that was never mentioned in the game. Uther never saw the plagued turning undead, neither did Jaina. All they knew is that the cult of the damned were spreading plagued grain and raising undead. Only Arthas and his troops had the full picture of what was happening.
all the mobas, all the mmos and consequentially all modern games share a root to a wc3 design decision. it’s like the divine comedy of gaming that solidified modern game design
you're right, jesus christ how could i forgot about dota and tower defense shit. but then again you could argue that starcraft is more responsible for them since those also existed there
plenty of other games before warcraft 3 did things it did, but it basically packed everything together and showed people what they should expect from a modern massive hit title
all the mobas, all the mmos and consequentially all modern games share a root to a wc3 design decision. it’s like the divine comedy of gaming that solidified modern game design
>Sylvanas looks at the screen
We should forget Arthas. In fact, you, the player, should forget Arthas. You should forget every inch of old Warcraft. None of that matters. Only our current enriched stories matter and the past is merely a shameful foundational stone upon which we built magnificent stories, none of them containing Arthas. Forget about Arthas and buy our newest expansion. Also please tune in for our exciting Hearthstone announcements. >everyone nods in agreement
Winning.
i mean he did say he's succeeding
>destroys a kingdom before fricking off to northrend
>gets disenchanted off reality as a final punishment
>sylvanas genocides an entire race and tries to destroy reality itself
>gets his good side back and gets forgiven by pretty much everyone
was it fair?
can't we any females because every faction leader has to be one
waste*
Arthas‘ good side was effectively lobotomized and therefore there was basically no chance at redemption. Because Corruption works like this. It doesn’t matter if it‘s fel corruption or undead corruption, an evil clone of yourself basically takes over your body. That evil clone might have agency, but it’s still an evil clone. If it’s voluntary, you seem to have more agency as an evil being. Illidan for example had enough agency to fully control his evil. Kel‘thuzad was a follower of the LK, before he turned undead and therefore he is loyal, whether or not the LK can enforce his will on him. Arthas though, was a special case. He was pounded psychologically for months to prepare him for an involuntary corruption, which meant he was too disturbed to resist and if his good side even knew what was going on, it hated itself too much to do anything. Sylvanas was turned into an Undead completely involuntary without breaking her will, so she turned evil, but could only be controlled via direct orders and would not proactively do anything for the cause without being forced to. And as soon as the LK‘s control wained, she was still an evil being, but yearned for independence.
At least that’s the official story. I think initially they went with the idea that it was actually the real Sylvanas reasserting herself, given how much they portrayed the Forsaken as innocent victims, but Sylvanas proved it was just cynic behavior to get sympathy from the living. In reality the real souls, the real personalities of all Undead were replaced by an evil alter ego.
Being undead would give you a pretty different perspective on "life". It wouldn't make sense for them to have the same morals as living beings do.
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one of the most disappointing games of all time
Thats what still bothers me about the Soul shard thing.
From the lore, only a small fragment of Arthas' soul was taken by Frostmourne. And it was later established that Frostmourne takes around half of the soul when its used to kill.
When Jailer took out the Arthas' shard, it's noticeably smaller than the other shards which were from Frostmourne's victims. Arthas' shard was held with his thumb and finger, while the Sylvanas shard was held by his fist.
So that would mean that the shard that was used on Kingsmourne only a small part of Arthas' main soul.
If so, where's the rest of him?
uther threw the rest of him into the maw
Was it shown that the Maw denizens found him?
Whittled away, Uther says as much. They're not going to bring Arthas back again, they want to be done with Warcraft's plotlines so they can do their own zany bullshit.
Thats moronic. They can easily keep Arthas banked for a cosmic war plot, but instead cemented his exit from the plot to bank Sylvanas instead.
Imagine:
>Cosmic war between light and dark
>Time to gather allies from everywhere
>Decide to cash in debts from the Shadowlands
>Go to Shadowlands
>Maldraxxus is in ruins. Revendreth is empty. Hippieland is locked away
>Go to the Maw through a portal in Bastion
>Maw is full of soldiers from all covenants
>They take you to their leader
>Arthas rules as leader of the Maw, advised by Kel'thuzad the octuple agent and Anub'arak
>Without his good shard, Arthas is now pure lawful evil
>Sylvanas in a cage at the bottom of Torghast
>Anduin hanging out with Arthas.
Sorry CHUD, but the Titans are the real bad guys punching down on the void lord minorities who dindu nuffin, B'ix No'od!
i highly doubt blizzard is going to use shadowlands any time soon with how much hate that expansion got, besides blizz is going for the "the void is bad but so is the light, also the titans lñied to you, the old gods werent that bad btw"
No, but Warcraft’s lore, narrative decisions, and overarching story has been frickoff stupid for almost two decades so it’s water off a duck’s back at this point because I don’t play the slop, I simply jack off to it.
>Tirion has a chance to redeem Arthas’ soul through his ‘heart’ in WotLK
>chooses not to end the campaign and literally redeem a paladin with less bloodshed for the lolz
It’s been downhill since
>Your son comes back looking like an emaciated corpse
>Carrying a sword with a fricking skull on it
>Wearing armor covered in skulls
>Walks towards you with this mean looking, unpaladin-like sword drawn
Terenas deserved it, what a fricking moron.
>he doesnt trust his own fricking son
found the Black person
Not when he comes back alone from his unsanctioned military excursion that I explicitly ordered withdrawn only for that order to be ignored while looking like that.
i mean, you will get mad at thim sure but you wont deny him a hug, come on
He slaughtered the entire population of a city.
He a good boy. He dindu nuffin.
Plants are LITERALLY wilting in his presence
Uther is that you?
Frick you, Uther was right about everything
>I'm moronic
Woof
no that was malganis, arthas tried to save them
You lose the mission if Mal'Ganis gets to them first. Nah, Arthas killed them all.
by killing them, arthas saved them from becoming thaddius
Sure, but nobody actually knows that. Arthas didn't explain, everyone who opposed his call left, everyone who supported Arthas left for Northrend immediately afterwards. As far as anybody knows by the time Arthas comes back from Northrend alone looking all deathly and shit, he unilaterally decided to kill everyone in Stratholme and immediately left for Northrend to kill undead, that's it.
by the time arthas came back everybody knew the plague turned people undead. they knew arthas killing everyone in strathholme was justified
No, they didn't, that was never mentioned in the game. Uther never saw the plagued turning undead, neither did Jaina. All they knew is that the cult of the damned were spreading plagued grain and raising undead. Only Arthas and his troops had the full picture of what was happening.
He killed millions to save gorillions
US politicians did worse things
warcraft 3 cinematics were so mindblowing for the time. blizzard was always lightyears ahead of the competition in this department
for better or worse, warcraft 3 really was the most influential game of all time
it's definitely one of the greatest games ever, but was it really that influential? what took obvious influence from it?
nta but all moba shit and tower defense shit like bloons. Also WoW itself was basically just a glorified WC3 mod originally upscaled.
you're right, jesus christ how could i forgot about dota and tower defense shit. but then again you could argue that starcraft is more responsible for them since those also existed there
maybe but it's still blizzard and w3 was where it was refined and perfected.
plenty of other games before warcraft 3 did things it did, but it basically packed everything together and showed people what they should expect from a modern massive hit title
all the mobas, all the mmos and consequentially all modern games share a root to a wc3 design decision. it’s like the divine comedy of gaming that solidified modern game design
I still have the WCIII Reign of Chaos & The Frozen Throne. Might play this weekend since there are absolutely zero new good games out.
light infused undead was what? what the frick was blizzard smoking
>succSNEEDing you, father
Dropping the hardest beat on this town
>uwu wwwhat are you doing, step-son???
>raping you...
>oh my! fu fu fu what a naughty son you are!
>Sylvanas looks at the screen
We should forget Arthas. In fact, you, the player, should forget Arthas. You should forget every inch of old Warcraft. None of that matters. Only our current enriched stories matter and the past is merely a shameful foundational stone upon which we built magnificent stories, none of them containing Arthas. Forget about Arthas and buy our newest expansion. Also please tune in for our exciting Hearthstone announcements.
>everyone nods in agreement
Arthas getting disenchanted by The Queen was the highlight of Shadowlands, and part of the J'lor's master plan.
Arthas did nothing wrong.
called my son an idiot once. I apologized afterwards but that shit still keeps me up at night.
I look almost identical to Arthas IRL. Too bad I'm lazy otherwise I could probably get a decent following through cosplay.
SUCCEEDING YOU, FATHER.