Late ports almost never do well. People buying it elsewhere is part of it, but mostly is that a huge percentage of gamers really only care about new games, so if a game is coming to their platform 2+ years after the fact they don’t give a frick anymore
Why would I buy the PC version of Remake on steam when I bought the PC version of Remake on EGS a year earlier?
I sure as shit won't be waiting another 6+ months for Rebirth to leave the EGS exclusivitiy just to buy it on Steam, I'm buying it day 1 on whatever platform hosts it on PC. If it's EGS and Steam day 1 I'll go Steam. if it's EGS exclusive, guess I'm giving ole timmy another 70$.
Do you not understand hype culture? You have to bank on the release being a fresh new thing. If the game came out at the same time as the ps4 version the sales would be much larger because people want to be part of the zeitgeist. By the time it came out on steam lots of people lost interest in the title in general. Or thought that if they waited a year or two already they might as well wait for the sale and some of those eventually lost interest as well.
>in the years following FF15's release on Steam ($50), the FF14 Starter Edition (at $20) made just as much Steam money for Square in 2020, 2022 and 2023 and vastly beat it out in 2019 and 2021
Dayum. XIV is a powerhouse.
Cut it out with the timed exclusivity nonsense. This is why Persona is slowly growing to dominate FF as a JRPG brand. The simultaneous releases on PC/Xbox/Sony and the eventual Switch ports have done wonders for the sales and popularity.
I would have bought Rebirth minute one had it been available on steam. Square/Sony still thinks that people will buy PS consoles for FF, when that era is long gone. Too many misfires and I will never buy a new PS console.
It's getting there homosexual. P3 Reload sold a million within it's first week -- and it's a Remake. I also doubt FFXVI or Rebirth sold more than P5 ever will.
>Cut it out with the timed exclusivity nonsense. >This is why Persona is slowly growing to dominate FF
Persona; with the notorious Sony exclusive Persona 5 that had people beg on their knees for years.
Literally THE best case for timed exclusivity EVER.
bruh moment.
They had their chance when they killed the time jannies at the end of the first game but instead they doubled-down on it. There is no saving this "remake" anymore.
It's doing fine, the issue is that it's a PS5 exclusive, like, FF XV was multiplatform and then Sony gave some money and Square was like "Yes, screw everyone else!" and lost some audience.
Like, Final Fantasy is popular enough it's like the one JRPG franchise even Xbox owners would buy, and then they accepted Epic Game Store money and lost immediate access to Steam whenever they release their PC port.
FF7 Remake at least was during Quarantine times from what i recall and the PS4 had more people who owned it, so it was fine.
the issue is exclusivity, times are differents and consoles are dying, both xbox and sony are aknowledging that fact, especially for games that now only appeal to autistic millenials like FF
yet software sales for sp games are still shit because people only use them to play live service games nowadays, which is why 16 was still somehow in the top selling exclusives
>FF7 Remake at least was during Quarantine times from what i recall and the PS4 had more people who owned it, so it was fine.
Rebirth sold worse than XVI which had even fewer PS5s sold.
I doubt there's anything they can do to put a stop to it. They betrayed fans of their golden goose by marketing a game as a remake only to pull the rug out from under them by making the actual game a disrespectful sequel with a ridiculous, derivative, convoluted Kingdom Hearts-esque storyline that nobody gives a plagued rat's ass about. People wanted FF7 with modern graphics.
release everything, yuffie dlc for part 1 aswell, on ps4, and it will do ok.
same with 16. same with stellar blade, same with everything else. no one is buying a ps5.
Not have it be exclusive. I also feel it's suffering from having to follow Remake, which was lackluster, while Rebirth is a genuinely good game. They could also scale back XVII to be able to run on the Switch 2, but Square is too scared of FF not being a big technical powerhouse, even though ever since it has been, people have been mixed on it.
Only console warriors still care about that shit. If Square wants this series to do numbers again, that's the serious situation they have to be looking at.
I dont want to see them downgrade for shitty hardware "console war" things aside, and again I shouldn't have to explain this, nintendo wore out THEIR welcome with the square team during development for (OG) ff7, square don't owe them a port. (on shitty hardware)
Final Fantasy as a technical powerhouse has worn its welcome. Nobody gives a shit anymore and just wants a fun game, which you can do without the graphics being as close to realistic as they can. FF was always best when it was more about artstyle. Saying "Nintendo wore their welcome" over some shit that happened nearly 30 fricking years ago is console war homosexualry, and you should off yourself.
for the third time its not about "console war" its about nintendo doing bad business with square in the past I don't care I was a sega guy, I have no horse in this race I dont fricking care. stop inferring things I didnt say. butthole.
and if you want not good graphics then don't bother remaking ff7 just play og.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Nintendo doing bad business with square in the past
Someone who just started at square when that all went down would be nearing retirement by now, I guarantee they don’t give a frick about that
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It's also not the same people at Nintendo. The only member of the board of directors from the old days is Miyamoto who is surely retiring after the Zelda movie releases.
Remake turned a LOT of people away when they realized it wasn't actually a remake. You'd think they'd know this going in but I have talked to normalgays who were genuinely surprised it wasn't the game they remembered from when they grew up.
A lot of people, normal people, not the shills and the mindbroken on 4chins, are genuinely upset by this and won't touch the FF7R-series.
To be fair I went into Remake without any spoilers. I didnt even watch the trailers and ignored all news about the game. I expected a slightly different game with updated graphics, mechanics, more characters from the extended FF7 universe with slight story adjustments. I wasnt even opposed to an updated vision of the game. Boy was I pissed when I saw fricking ghosts appearing out of nowhere about 2 hours in...And I didnt expect it at all.
In the end I understand all the people who said anything other than a 1:1 version would be a looming disaster. And it was. The story lost all its grounding and we are at Marvel levels of utter bullshittery. Look at Rebirth where we are introduced to a whopping 5/FIVE realities in a span of 2 hours. What a fricking mess!
There was NO reason to push this multiverse bullshit in the first place. Or at least not any further than Remake did. They only did it so Aerith can both die and live due to alternative realities. They didnt have the balls to either kill her outright or simply let her live. You can see it with the ending. We still have NO idea if shes actually dead or some reality bending bullshit happened. I expected some really bad shit and they still managed to make it even worse than I thought.
Time Jannies, Retcons, Bloat, Hubris, Ubislop Open World and ESG killed 7R.
If they just did a remake like Trials of Mana, turning 2D maps into 3D, same type of gameplay and keeping the story the same, no one would have complained. But Nomura HAD to be Nomura....
And yet for the 95% of Rebirth that's basically just an expanded version of what happens in OG7, it's legitimately one of the best games of the century.
(You) are a moronic shill, good games generate genuine hype; marketing can only do so much
Remake set the tone for frickery
Rebirth being an exclusive on a dying console with no games sealed the deal
These two
Time Jannies, Retcons, Bloat, Hubris, Ubislop Open World and ESG killed 7R.
If they just did a remake like Trials of Mana, turning 2D maps into 3D, same type of gameplay and keeping the story the same, no one would have complained. But Nomura HAD to be Nomura....
Retcon the whole fricking thing and do a 1:1
Because that's what many wanted, and a lot of newbies wanted to play the game, just not with N64/PS1 visuals
The problem is, like you said, Remake set the tone.
Rebirth bucks that tone for about 90% of the game until the very end, but the damage was already done.
It doesn't matter how genuinely good Rebirth is, because no amount of hype or talking about how good it is will change the minds of people that are bitter about the choices made in Remake 4 years ago. As evident by literally any Rebirth thread in the last few months.
>>And yet for the 95% of Rebirth that's basically just an expanded version of what happens in OG7
That is the problem.
Rebirth only covers a FRACTION of a OG FF7 region and bloats it with unnecessary filler, like FF7 Remake did. We DON'T need an expanded Costa Del Sol because we only spend 10 minutes there in the original!
Square could very well do a 1:1 remake if they just cut out the bloat and kept the same pacing the same as OG!
Retcon the whole fricking thing and do a 1:1
Because that's what many wanted, and a lot of newbies wanted to play the game, just not with N64/PS1 visuals
Agreed.
If they wanted to make the gameplay more action-oriented, something like Trials would work. An 1:1 remake, just replacing the pre-rendered backgrounds with 3D environments with the action combat they have now. It would have been a success.
Retcon the whole fricking thing and do a 1:1
Because that's what many wanted, and a lot of newbies wanted to play the game, just not with N64/PS1 visuals
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Agreed.
If they wanted to make the gameplay more action-oriented, something like Trials would work. An 1:1 remake, just replacing the pre-rendered backgrounds with 3D environments with the action combat they have now. It would have been a success.
>do THIS instead. >Trust me, I post on Ganker
I guarantee you that if they listened to your unoriginal and unambitious ideas, they would have never cracked 4mil for remake. It would have been sitting at 3 million like SMRPG with no hype for any additional content.
Right, because powers that be that make direction decisions for games like 15, 16, and everything related to 7RE have proven to be wildly successful and square's stock hasn't totally taken a major hit
What's your big idea? EVEN MORE new/ different/ gimmicky shit? With MORE filler side quests and mini games and ubitowers? Merge 7 and dissidia? Because they've already connected 5 to 7, they may as well double down, huh?
>Because they've already connected 5 to 7, they may as well double down, huh?
oh frick off you massive homosexual, having Gilgamesh in the game isn't connecting 5 to 7. That same Gilgamesh pops up all the goddamn time in other games and that doesn't mean those other games are connected to 5. Gilgamesh is very specifically trapped in the interdimensional rift and that lets very specifically him travel from world to world, but it's not like the worlds of 5 and 7 are linked now and we're going to get Bartz and his harem popping up in part 3.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Specifically says he remembers where he came from and mentions the warriors of light
Nah, they'll probably pop 10 or sora in part 3, you know, class it up
Double homosexual
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
says he remembers where he came from and mentions the warriors of light
That doesn't mean that 5 and 7 are now tied together though you absolute media illiterate moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
With this multiverse shit, it literally means square can mcguffin shit from another final fantasy if it means artificial hype and buzz, you moron
The whole point of this direction was to catch the attention of the fickle casual audience
If they think that was a good idea, going full moron to attempt to bring back old fans doesn't seem so farfetched
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>With this multiverse shit
The multiverse no longer exists at the end of Rebirth. It's all restored back to a single timeline.
As I said, you're a media illiterate moron.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You really think they're gonna play it safe in pt 3?
They've already gone this far, there's no way they can undo the damage they've done unless they somehow retcon rem and reb, and start from scratch AGAIN
And since that seems unlikely, my guess is, they'll find a way to shit 3 up even more
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You really think they're gonna play it safe in pt 3?
They've played it safe as frick in parts 1 and parts 2, so yes.
SMRPG obliterated FFVIIR and anyone saying that no one would want a faithful remake. No one cares about Nomura's and Kitase's and Nojima's ambitions. They haven't made a good game in over 20 years.
One is a Final Fantasy branded game, when the series is inaruably at the lowest popularity it's been since the SNES era
One is a Mario branded game, when the series is inaruably at the highest popularity it's been since the SNES era
You don't have to be a disingenuous dipshit that equates the SMRPG sales to the fact that it's a faithful 1:1 remake when the game sold becuase it's a mario game.
the other problem is its not actually a remake its redo of evangelion and a lot of people are just not happy with that.
hopefully they have actual remake in heaven when they launch all the nukes.
no i think the focus on zack in 7rebirth has ruined zack
he only works as a heroic figure getting shot out in cold blood which made ff7s world feel bleak
when he's time janny multiverse shitting to team up with cloud to stop one of the 5 Sephiroths it just ruins him, and ff7
>people actually thinking a PC release would have helped it tremendously.
If the game had same day PC release the PS5 version would have half the sales it currently has, and the PC-only sales would account for maybe an additional 10%.
All the people in these threads that go >well I would have bought it but I don't have a ps5!!
have no actual intent on buying or playing the game.
they said the exact same thing about Remake when it released as a PS4 exclusive, then said that they're not going to buy it and support EGS when it came to PC for the original release, and then when it came to Steam they refused to buy it because muh full priced game 3 years later.
I fully intend to purchase rebirth day one on PC, and I pray daily for the death of every Sony exec who signs these exclusivity deals
Notice how nothing you said actually counters my arguement.
There's always some excuse that primarily PC players will have as to why they aren't buying the game because they hold the grudge that it didn't come to PC on day 1.
insomniac leak reveals aaa games are $200 mil now and a low budget AAA game is $100m
this 100% cost more than $200m
if it sold 2m and cost only $150m then it would have already broken even and SE wouldve said so
it hasn't broke even yet
it also reused assets from ff15
I spotter the iron giant, gigantoad, mindflayer, quetzalcoatl, griffon, jabberwocki, wieneratrice among others in rebirth are all the ff15 model asset and design
also stuff like the malboro, tonberry, cactuar and behemoth in 7r part 1 were just reskinned versions of the ff15 asset of those enemies and are used in rebirth too
Games are ridiculously expensive to make now, $200 million+ is the norm for AAA games, and that isn't even mentioning the nearly decade long dev cycles
We're long overdue for another game industry crash
Anon, it's probably because the series is doing TOO well. Don't you know anything about publicly traded companies? It's smart to not announce sales when they're booming!
Retcon the whole fricking thing and do a 1:1
Because that's what many wanted, and a lot of newbies wanted to play the game, just not with N64/PS1 visuals
it's practically an action RPG series now
for a series as long running as FF and moving into a more popular genre it should be at least cracking 15 mil, this series is truly dead
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it should be at least cracking 15 mil
based on?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
based on the rest of the industry successfully growing their long running franchises to keep up with the expanding industry
If your game sold 10 million on the PS1 and then 3 generations later your latest game is hitting the same number, you've got a problem
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If your game sold 10 million on the PS1
After a decade of sales. And that 10 million number is wrong. Since 1 million of that came from the PC port that came out in 1998. >3 generations later your latest game is hitting the same number, you've got a problem
I can tell you don't understand how sales work.
I don't care about this game, at least not until the PC version drops, but unironically arguing that a game measured at 2.21 daily active players sold less than 2 million copies is astoundingly moronic.
I have a serious question: why is there a need to save Final Fantasy? What does being a Final Fantasy game means nowadays anyway? What's there stopping Square Enix from making FFXVI a non FF game?
>What does being a Final Fantasy game means nowadays anyway?
Same thing it's almost always meant.
Cutting edge tech with a mediocre JRPG attached.
Without the bleeding edge tech, it's just another mediocre JRPG franchise with a lot of emotial baggage among the fanbase.
FF7 was a goofy as frick game that had some serious moments in it.
Rebirth is a goofy as frick game that has some serious moments in it.
Or are you mad that the NPC is black?
Meanwhile Capcom couldn't get monster hunter world on the switch so they just made a new one and sold a shitload of consoles while continuing to expand the monster hunter audience.
>There are lots of FF games available on the Switch, just not the ones that it's unable to run.
You know it's not the same thing. The FF games on switch are like 20 years old. They should have made a new game for the Nintendo audience like other third parties did. This is a serious issue for them because now even when the switch 2 comes out and can run their new games, there isn't going to be an audience built up to buy them and they'll sell like shit.
The Switch has World of Final Fantasy, Crisis Core Reunion and every single numbered game through and including 12. All of these are substantially better than anything Square would be likely to turn out for a new, Switch exclusive, title.
I'm sure if the Switch 2 actually manages to release with specs from this century ports for XVI, 7R, and possibly even XIV will be forthcoming.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There are lots of FF games available on the Switch, just not the ones that it's unable to run.
You know it's not the same thing. The FF games on switch are like 20 years old. They should have made a new game for the Nintendo audience like other third parties did. This is a serious issue for them because now even when the switch 2 comes out and can run their new games, there isn't going to be an audience built up to buy them and they'll sell like shit.
We did get a new FF game exclusive for the switch.
It's called Bravely Default 2.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah not even Bravely Default fans remember The Four Heroes of Light.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The point is more even if Bravely Default 2 was called Final Fantasy Switch or something, it wouldn't have sold well.
Square Enix didn't give the last few generations of gamers any must play best of generation titles like Squaresoft and Enix did in the 90s/early 00s, so the only people left that give a shit about them or their IPs are people that grew up with them 30 years ago, which is a dwindling fanbase as more and more of them grow older and have less time for games, or die, or move on from gaming as a whole, etc etc.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm sure if the Switch 2 actually manages to release with specs from this century ports for XVI, 7R, and possibly even XIV will be forthcoming.
You didn't read what I said. Yes the switch 2 will get those games. But because they didn't make anything meaningful for the switch in its 8 years there is no final fantasy audience on the platform to sell these games to. While the next Monster Hunter, Persona and Dragon Quest will sell fantastically on the switch 2, final fantasy is gonna bomb. And it didn't need to be that way.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
What Persona or Dragon Quest games were made for the switch audience that sold well enough that you think the next iterations of the series will sell fantastically on the switch 2?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And it didn't need to be that way.
Yes it did, because the Switch can't run modern games. Also the Switch has two of the best FF handheld titles ever made so your entire point is nonsense. Everything is new when you're 8 years old.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Yes it did, because the Switch can't run modern games
The Switch couldn't run Monster Hunter World so they made a new game for it. The switch couldn't run Dragon Quest XI so they made a new version and rebuilt the game. But the final fantasy team didn't even try. And this didn't hurt Nintendo, it hurt them.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
And the Switch already has 30 fricking FF games on it. Why does it need another onr? Especially since everyone other than children have a Switch + either a PC or PS. If the children want a FF that bad they have a million options.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I do agree with you in the notion that a lot of switch owners also have a PC. However, Square's recent Final Fantasy games have been for some reason pushing specs really hard so a lot of PC owners also can't run them well. And the timed exclusivity to Playstation is obviously doing the franchise no favors.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Square's recent Final Fantasy games have been for some reason pushing specs really hard so a lot of PC owners also can't run them well.
What the frick is this nonsense? What third world shithole do you live in where PC owners can't run FF7 Remake, FFXV, FFXIV, and Strangers of Paradise? All of those run perfectly fine with low to mid tier hardware.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The reason why the PC market has been expanding so much isn't because the traditional hardcore PC gamer audience has been expanding. It's because with diminishing returns, people are able to get into PC gaming with much cheaper weaker hardware. Very low end PCs as well as non-gaming laptops are now becoming viable to game on PC. Even if they port the new FF to PC, it's made for PS5 and PC games are inherently less optimized so I guarantee you a lot of people wont be able to run it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
AMD's next gen APUs will have 1060 tier graphics built in, that opens up plenty of games to office PCs
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, how many people have that right now, versus how many people have a 4 year old laptop? They should be aiming to expand the market as much as possible. To do that they should have targetted PS4 hardware and released on PC and Nintendo launch day.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>versus how many people have a 4 year old laptop?
A 4 year old laptop can run all of Square's recent FF PC releases.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
4 years ago was 2020, most of those machines are plenty capable of running PS4 tier games
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
...This isn't a PS4 game
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>UE4
Rebirth literally is a gussied up PS4 game, yes. If the resolution and particle effects were scaled own, the framerate set to 30, and the PS4 had an SSD it could probably run it with some strategically placed loading screens.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, if they made the game differently it could have run on weaker hardware. But they didn't do that, nor are they going to for the inevitable PC release.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But they didn't do that, nor are they going to for the inevitable PC release.
Which they won't have to because even a low end rig has way more horsepower than a fricking PS4.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Even if they port the new FF to PC, it's made for PS5 and PC games are inherently less optimized so I guarantee you a lot of people wont be able to run it.
Except we already know everyone can run all of those games listed just fine and Rebirth uses the exact same engine. Your point has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of these games. Anyone who can't run Remake or XV is probably so poor they would just pirate it anyway. The games run just fine on low end hardware and that's a fact.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I assume you're trolling me or something because you're using an 8 year old PS4 game to tell me how a PS5 exclusive it gonna run.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Rebirth uses the exact same engine as Remake. And we're talking about the PC versions of FF games that currently exist: all of which can run perfectly fine on mid to low end hardware.
It's your job to convince me that Rebirth somehow won't be possible on mid tier rigs because there is nothing I've seen from Rebirth that would convince me that a mid tier rig should have any challenge at all. Rebirth is NOT an inherently demanding game.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>engine = system requirements
Well I guess since Bethesda keeps using the same engine that the original xbox should be able to run the next elder scrolls game.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>using bethesda as an example of the average optimization process
The lowest common denominator, which has been using its own playerbase to finish their games for decades now, is not the norm. Square's PC ports since XV have all been fairly well optimized.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The lowest common denominator, which has been using its own playerbase to finish their games for decades now, is not the norm. Square's PC ports since XV have all been fairly well optimized.
The GPU for "recommended system requirements" for XV is 3x stronger than a PS4. Minimum, which obviously will run like dogshit is roughly equivalent to a PS4. So I'd expect this to be similar. Around 10tflops minimum and 30tflops or something like 15-20tflops with aggressive DLSS for recommended.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The GPU for "recommended system requirements" for XV is 3x stronger than a PS4
Right, so a GPU from 2015. Got it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Rebirth uses the exact same engine as Remake
They both are UE4, but they did a lot of engine customization work when they did the Yuffie DLC and used that as the bast for Rebirth.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I know all this but this Black person is sitting here trying to tell me Rebirth is some high end demanding game that mid tier rigs won't be able to run and that's pure insanity.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
It has some of the furthest draw distances in the industry, and the last chapter before the PONR seemlessly connects the entire game world.
PCs had trouble running Remake, and that game was tiny in comparison. Now granted that was in part due to a buggy port with forced reso scaling and DX12, but still.
>This is a serious issue for them because now even when the switch 2 comes out and can run their new games, there isn't going to be an audience built up to buy them and they'll sell like shit.
No one except literal 8 year olds owns just a Switch.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nobody period owns a PS5 lmao
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just under 60 million do, it's been out pacing the PS4 in USA, UK, Japan for over a year. The only reason worldwide is trailing is because Sony have been unable to price drop due to hardware costs staying the same
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Pretty much this. It's more accurate to say that no poorgays own a PS5.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
brother we all know anti-Square posters are third world east asia esl anons butt mad that Square is still doing exclusive deals with Sony. you can't afford a ps5, it's cool. but you are irrelevant outside of ruining Ganker threads.
lol frick off. No-one needs Nintendo shit to be successful. Just like how Fromsoft doesn't even give Nintendo the time of day and are just fine. Just like how Capcom didn't need Nintendo in the slightest for Monster Hunter World to be the best-selling in the franchise, and the Monster Hunter made for a Nintendo system not coming even close to it. I'm tired to Nintendo manchildren pretending their company and their shitty systems is the end all to be all.
It's a real shame they pigeon-holed the franchise into constantly chasing "anime realism" fairly early on.
Imagine if they branched into a sub-series that still impresses visually but manages to run on weaker hardware. Even if it means going with a completely foreign artstyle from what we're used to, like the anime/cel-shading look that is really popular. The style would work really work well with some of Square Enix's artists too. Throw in waifus and you could end up with a reliable way to generate income in-between the "big brother" entries.
Sure you'd end up with a bunch of infighting between the realismgays and the animegays, but let's be real the infighting is bad enough as it is already. Throwing more fuel onto the raging forest fire couldn't do much worse.
I WANTED A FRICKING SINGULAR REMAKE OF THE ORIGINAL PS1 GAME
INSTEAD I GOT A SEQUEL SPLIT INTO THREE FRICKING GAMES, NEEDED AN FRICKING DECADE TO FINISH, COST UPWARDS TO 200 BUCKS FOR A COMPLETE STORY, CAME OUT ON TWO (PROBABLY THREE) DIFFERENT CONSOLE GENERATIONS, AND WASNT EVEN ABOUT THE ORIGINAL GAME BUT THE REST OF THE FRICKING BLOATED TACKED ON GARBAGE THAT RELEASED AFTER THE ORIGINAL GAME
HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
FORGET ZOOMERS AND KIDDIES
NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL FANS CAN STOMACH THIS NONSENSICAL SHIT
>NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL FANS CAN STOMACH THIS NONSENSICAL SHIT
Just because you can't stomach the remake doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
OG7 was my first FF game back when I was like 10 in 1997 and is to this day in my top 3 of all time games, and I love the hell out of Remake and Rebirth.
They're not perfect by any means, and do I wish they didn't do a bunch of random shit with time jannies and multiverses? sure. But I can get over the 5-10% of the game that's nonsensical Kitsae/Normura junk if it means the other 90-95% is a blast.
>best combat in the entire JRPG genre >better combat than most ARPGs >the characters are nearly perfect >the towns being fully realized is akin to how we thought of them as children playing the original 25 years ago >all the sidequests now include very well done character moments for 1 or more party members making every single one of them worth seeking out and doing >one of the most expansive and complete OSTs I've encountered in my 35+ years of gaming
Yes, having a blast. I could go on and on about how insanely good of a game Rebirth is.
Remake less so, I'd probably put that more like 80-85% having blast 15-20% what-were-they-thinking, but they clearly learned from their mistakes with Rebirth.
Unironically and uniliterally put it on Switch. Is there a single SE game that didn't sell a shit tonne on Switch? Even the older FF ports did best on Switch and PC
yes you dumb homosexual. 16 failed because they only released it on the fricking PS5 which is the biggest casual bait console right now. they should have done a xbox, switch, and PC release
The era of third party exclusives simply makes no sense anymore. There's so many games releasing nowadays that if your game isn't on someone's preferred platform, they're probably just not going to buy it.
really it seems like this is the era of 'and on PC' where if a game is exclusive it has to have a PC launch to make up sales. console only games are a failure in the current age where even a toaster can run CS2
Beat it 10 minutes ago, 10/10 game, wouldnt be the first time that gamers let genuine kino pass them by while they consume live service slop and say gaming is dying.
You deserve the modern game industry if you dont get it, simple as.
I know, and people like you are why Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again and why the series will be one day be worthless. You idiots with your shit-tier taste keep cheering as things get worse.
>2m sales
You won't be getting anything much longer.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah bro, square will dissolve in 2 more weeks, it's jenover.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ill look forward to your signature asspained posts in 3 years when part 3 is on the horizon. Or maybe I wont, hopefully you've killed yourself by then.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'll be here laughing when 3 fails to hit the 1m mark. SE burns and you keep coping as your dream game, now heavily downscaled because of shit sales, burns to cinders.
Keep coping though, you are actually more entertaining than video games.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Oh I dont think you've laughed in a long time mate. You sound genuinely miserable. I will pray for you. Maybe you should try Rebirth, get some joy back in your life.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nice projection. Now back to your shipping and coping. 2m.
>Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again
Rebirth is a Squaresoft game in all but branding, and is legitimately the best JRPG in the entire genre since the PS2 era.
I do not care about the opinions of some pissy baby that's been crying for the last 4 years over the changes in Remake that didn't even play Rebirth, and neither should anyone else.
You are a tiny minority who does not matter to me, to SE or to literally anyone. Die alone with your trash game, loser.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I do not care about the opinions of some pissy baby that's been crying for the last 4 years over the changes in Remake that didn't even play Rebirth, and neither should anyone else.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Enjoy your hellworld. I'm having a blast laughing at you, I'll play good games while occasionally bumping a thread laughing at you sad c**ts.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'll play good games while occasionally bumping a thread laughing at you sad c**ts.
Like what?
Name 3 'good games' that you've played recently.
Genuinely curious
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hahaha, nah, you have Rebirth, right? Go play your monkey-game, I'll keep mine to myself. I wouldn't share a good game with you if this was my last post on this site.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You can't name any because the last 3 "good games" you played are probably Apex, some random hentai visual novel, and some random emulated game from 20 years ago that everyone here played years ago but youre just now playing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Hahaha! You crack me up. Why don't you go back to playing Rebirth? Is it more fun to get laughed at online? I assume so considering how shit Rebirth is.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I already beat Rebirth, including Hard mode. I'll go back to it when it releases on PC.
You still refuse to name 3games you've played recently which just leads me to believe that you dont' actually play video games. You just shitpost on Ganker all day.
Pathetic.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Blue Archive
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3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The projection. Delicious. Yeah anyway man im off to start hard mode since the game was so fun. Hopefully you get the meds you need.
>Rebirth is a Squaresoft
Rebirth is as far as possibly imaginable from a Squaresoft game. The sequence of events are moronic and never allowed time to have their impact. You finish a section that should be deep but then you're thrown into another boss, or another dungeon, or an almost TWO HOUR BOSS FIGHT at the end. It's ridiculous.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You didn't play the game
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
After reading his post I legitimately went on like an 8 minute thought exercise where I was trying to conceptualize how bad someone would have to be at the game to make the end sequence last 2 hours.
>I know, and people like you are why Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again
Suck a dick Black person FF being trash since 10
11 and 14 are mmoslop garbage for people who don't like FF
12 is boring invalice is boring game playing itself is boring
13 is a corridor hallway simulator with yet again gameplay that play itself
15 is an unfinished dogshit mess with no sense of adventure
16 is not even fricking FF its a westernized piece of shit with probably the most boring sidequest in jrpg history
FF7R is quite literally the first time I have fun with this series since 10 more than 20 years ago.
XI and XIV are really good despite being mmos but otherwise your points are correct.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't play mmo I don't want to RP with trannies
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's what's good about XIV: you can literally ignore everyone and it's functionally a single player game. I thought the same thing as you before I tried it but I have literally never once spoken to a single other player and nearly all of the content can be done with AI party members.
>16 is not even fricking FF its a westernized piece of shit
copers call it DMC
haters call it westernized
meanwhile the game is the first perfectly produced, unanimously praised FF in literally forever.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>meanwhile the game is the first perfectly produced, unanimously praised FF in literally forever.
That's Rebirth actually. And yes, it is discount DMC, and not even an RPG in any capacity. There's no party, there's no status effects, and more.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>actually
ok im going to add >copers call it DMC >haters call it westernized >balding millenials call it not an rpg
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Every single one of those points is true. Do you even like Final Fantasy? If so, why do you like a game that's nothing like it? Even if you look at it without a Final Fantasy lens, it's still a mediocre game.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>no party member >Jill is the most and boring heroine in FF history b***h is just standing here doing nothing and saying nothing >the area that you ''explore'' are boring as hell >rpg elements are not existent >gameplay is baby DMC so if you already played DMC (I did) the game just feel like its for toddlers
I sleep
>11 and 14 are mmoslop garbage for people who don't like FF >14 for people who don't like FF >14 >don't like FF
jrpg gays are officially the most moronic fanbase ever. never play games, just embarrass yourself with no effort nonsense.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Everyone that I know who play FF14 have never any other FF games. Im sure the game is full of easter egg and reference to the other games but the people playing it don't recognize any of it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Everyone that I know
anon you said something moronic. it was a dead giveaway you are clueless. take the L and go.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>take the L and go.
Didn't realize I was talking to some zoomer make sense since he's defending an online game
Ruined too many scenes, world does not feel right, would not recommend. Combat is fun tho but could been better, imagine playing an action rpg where you can't freely jump. Should be turn based.
5/10
Not gonna change my opinion I still think this game was awesome and is easily my GOTY. The majority of people hating on the game haven't even fricking play it because like everyone is claiming in this thread nobody own a ps5.
All this is telling me is that modern gamers have garbage taste and rather play live service, gacha shit and streamers bait games full of microtransaction.
I got tricked into buying DD2 so I'm waiting for the Rebirth PC version. I am fully willing to admit that I fricked up and made the wrong decision however.
>All this is telling me is that modern gamers have garbage taste and rather play live service, gacha shit and streamers bait games full of microtransaction.
-stop making it some stupid in between real time/turn based bullshit.
-stop milking only 7
-stop chasing trends
-stop putting it only for the fricking PS5
Make Final Fantasy World, a sequel to 14. MMOs will make money but $150 million single player games are a dead end for this franchise. I expect FFVII rebirth will get to 7 million when there have been price cuts and a steam release
The shills really don't understand that the only people who would even consider buying Rebirth are people who finished Remake. How many people finished Remake?
Rebirth will keep selling for the next 7 years. Part 3 will be out in 2027 due to reduced development time and will be bundled as a trilogy. This game will be profitable just not to the extent Square would like. FF games that hit 10 million take years to get there
You don't understand what I am saying. People are only going to buy Rebirth if they finish Remake. Only about 35% of people have completed Remake, so they would likely need to sell 21 million copies of Remake to even think about Rebirth hitting 7 million. And that doesn't take into consideration people who finished remake and didn't like it. Rebirth will never hit 7 million copies.
>People are only going to buy Rebirth if they finish Remake
That's not true, people buy games all the time and add it to the back catalog. When the game goes on sale for Black Friday on the Playstation store and the new year sale it will get a significant boost. Yes 7 million lifetime is realistic, this is a PS6 day 1 bundle
It will keep selling.
3 years of Playstation sales at $39.99 = another 2 million sales
3 years of being on Steam = another 1.5 million sales
FFVII trilogy bundle = another 1.5 million sales
why do you insist on posting this shit in these threads time and time again
better yet
why do you even have those images saved to your computer in the first place unless youre literally the person that made them
You don't get it, FF7R is not the cultural phenomena that FFVII was. FFVII was a revolutionary landmark game that changed the RPG genre going forward. FF7R is just a cash grab with a coat of current day paint. There's nothing special or groundbreaking about it, and the modern audience doesn't get what all the fuss is about because Square butchered it, first by breaking one game into 3 parts and packing them with filler, and secondly by ruining the story with Marvel-inspired revisionist meta nonsense and Kingdom Hearts style mystery boxes that were not in the original game becaus OMG WE GOTTA KEEP THE FANS GUESSING!
Spoiler culture has absolutely ruined entertainment and I blame Game of Thrones.
Spoiler culture goes back further than game of thrones. I think it started with shit like Lost or other mystery boxes shows. but otherwise I agree entirely.
>why don’t people want to spend 210$ on a “remake” that’s completely different from the game they liked
Square is actively trying to kill itself I swear
They fired the CEO of Square and incorporated the studio. They didn't fire everyone involved, so it's pretty meaningless. They didn't even fire the co-directors.
One of the co-directors of Forspoken also worked on Crisis Core, btw.
XVI has DLC and sold 5 million on PS5, the steam release isn't out. It will keep selling for another 5 years and hit 9 million making it one of the more successful FFs. Rebirth will also keep selling for the next decade
>NOOOO >IT SOLD 3 MILLION IN THE FIRST 72 HOURS AND 30 MINUTES >THEY DIDNT PERSONALLY INFORM ME OF MORE SALES
no one takes you seriously
>Square Enix announced when FFXV sales went from 5 Million to 6 Million and when FF7Remake sales went from 3.5 million to 5 million to 7 million but not when FFXVI sales supposedly went from 3 million to 5 million
curious
I swear a cerrain segment of this board is infinitely more upset that this game turned out to be good than they would be had it been Suicide Squad/Skull and Bones tier trash.
Replying to myself to say I agree with what I've just said and to basically just repeat the same point again. Maybe throw in a little incomprehensible namegay drama too.
Seeing this game underperforming make me really realize I need to move on and start building my life. A game with so much soul and charm and moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it? Yeah this shit industry need to burn and you all deserve EA, Blizzard and Ubislop trash.
That next ugly ass Star Wars game gonna sell like 10 millions but im done im gonna work on my life there is no point to be addicted to this shitty industry anymore.
>A game with so much soul
It has no soul, it just killed and cannibalized some of the soul of the original.
If this shit had any other characters from any other franchise, you wouldn't look at this shit game twice.
>Le quirky character sings quirky song
Funny, but not really soulful. >Elena
Wow, referencing the OG. That's on the level of a Spiderman reboot movie joke.
dont bother anon.
you're better off linking entire playthroughs so they can see all the soul from the random dialog the party has constantly during story / side missions, and so they can see all the shit that happens in the background of cutscenes that isn't the focus, like yuffie and barret doing the fake sparring thing, or barret acting scared when she thereatens him, etc etc.
they wouldn't get it when you tell them there's a quest that's like 20 minutes of this awful mini game where you lure chickens back to an old lady, which caps off with you having to run like 5 minutes out of town where you find the last chicken, only for the game to trick you into thinking you have to lure it all the way back, and then when the quest is finally over it turns out that the entire point was to kill one of the chickens to eat as a chicken sandwitch and cuts to red having an existential crisis over his choice to hunt the chickens down when all they wanted to do was live, cue the original games Game Over music.
they wouldn't get it. because they didn't play the original game, and they didnt play rebirth.
>A game with so much soul and charm and moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it?
You described the original FFVII, not Remake and Rebirth. The games that have soul and charm right now are Palworld and Helldivers 2 and those are the games people are playing, not this bullshit from Square.
My hopes for AAA gaming is dwindling with each passing day, but there's always the indies to rely on, especially if you miss the days where it felt like the industry was willing to take more chances.
Even in the Square Enix space I've had more fun with their lower budget games (NEO TWEWY, SoP) more often than their big hitters. Kinda want to check Paranormasight and that Little Goody Two Shoes game at some point as well. Don't know much about them but the Steam reviews seem to be pretty good.
As long as indies & these type of lower budget games continue to be made, I think I'd be content moving away from AAA gaming altogether honestly
>moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it?
lol bro, it's a great success on every level. these threads are circle jerking. no one takes the sales shitposter seriously.
They can't, really.
It's comprised of an MMO, a mediocre set of action games (15/16/ff7r), a novel concept for a game engine base (pixel remasters) that will likely never see the games that NEED an adaptation (mystic quest, dimensions 1) get ported over.
It's just in a weird state and it seems like they hate what made the series popular to begin with. I know JRPG isn't a popular genre anymore but clearly the fact 15 tanked so hard and was received so poorly for just being a generic action game must have shown them something- but apparently not given 16 is just more of the same, but somehow worse because it's broken to shit with 0 balancing.
I think splitting out to new ideas like World of Final Fantasy is the way for the series. WoFF was very easy but incredibly novel and I don't think I met a single person who hated the game aspect of it (The cringe story and writing aside of course), everyone just hated that it was so easy and exploitable.
The FFcult discord is discussing new strategies against the new boogeymen
I think the biggest thing that dissuaded me from buying FF7 Remake, maybe even moreso than the actual fanfic bullshit in the game, was the fans gatekeeping anyone who had a problem with it. If you said "Hey, I hate this shit, Square should fix it" you would be met with a dozen people saying "iF yOU dON't LiKe tHe gAmE jUsT pLAy tHe oRiGinAL." The audacity of these asswipes to act like Remake was perfect and couldn't have been any other way was enough to make me say "you know what? Frick you, you can have it. I want nothing to do with this game and Square is not getting a dime from me." And you know what else? I did go back and play the original and it was wonderful, which makes me want to play this abomination of a remake even less.
No, that's why I never caved in and warmed up to it. The community around Remake is a bunch of moronic Kingdom Hearts kiddos and that means Square is never going to learn their lesson or course correct, and I was proven right because Rebirth absolutely butchered Aerith's death to a comedic degree. It feels good to be right even though I would have rather had the game that Square tricked me into thinking they were making, until the leaks came out. And thank god for those leaks, I can't imagine how pissed I would have been if I actually bought that pile of shit.
It's literally going to sell 6million by August.
I wish had the motivation to screenshot all the doomposters but it's so predictable that I'm not sure it's even worth it.
Sadly FF16 doesn't have the legs to creep past 3mil. It got bad word of mouth almost instantly. But Rebirth has immense goodwill. Everyone leaking the Ultimania guide is a huge sign the fanbase will keep this game relevant all the way to the PC release. And if it gets released on Steam, this game might get a second-wind all the way to December 2024. It kinda depends where Square takes this.
goodwill means nothing if Square's executive leadership can't present a convincing Fiscal Year Report by early next year. And executives will always blame the employees, and Nomura is already looking haggered. I have a feeling that Part 3 will be severely compromised, like Mass Effect 3.
>But Rebirth has immense goodwill.
lmao you moron. The reason the game is selling so badly because Remake pissed off half the fans and failed to convince the new audience to stick around because they only got the first few hours of a 30 hour PS1 game and it did not hook them. Only 30% of people who bought Remake on console even got the completion trophy.
The remake compilation was dead as soon as Square decided to break it into 3 episodes, and it was double dead as soon as they decided to subvert expectations with the story. Square is reaping the consequences of their actions while the fanboys who said "go play the original if you don't like it" are coping and seething. What you guys did to this game was like Phil Spencer telling people to stick with Xbox 360 if they have problems with the Xbox One.
Rebirth will sell half as many copies as Remake, maybe less. It will get passed over during award season and it will be quickly discounted and forgotten. Then we get to do this all over again when they make Final Fantasy VII Retry or whatever they call it and they have to hammer it out with half the budget of Rebirth.
>lmao you moron. The reason the game is selling so badly because Remake pissed off half the fans
moronic take and based completely on nothing. The better explanation is that Remake simply overachieved due to very unique factors (COVID era and PS4 bigger base). In the grand scheme of things, Square will likely sell less Rebirth copies but it won't be due to fan enthusiasm. But it might also be true that Square frontloading its sales with the exclusivity deal could make this an incredibly successful ordeal when it's all said and done.
All of this is possible is because FF7 Rebirth is critically acclaimed.
They lost my sale because of the fanfiction bullshit and I know I'm not alone. Keep telling yourself that this was not a factor though and that everyone adored FF7 Remake except for the mean poopie head chuds.
Every game with legs has a dedicated group of fans that provides the momentum for downstream enthusiasm. I'm just speaking scientifically here.
Once the average gamer discovers the latest 3 hour sleepezi theory video they will run out and buy Rebirth. We're talking millions of sales once normies take notice of the dedication of the real fans
Are tendies this obsessed with ff because they fear to compare their games sales to Rockstar and games like Helldivers 2?
I remember when someone compared those sales and tendies were >P-please dont compare them they are different games!
Based as hell. Please let the Reynatis head meet with him too.
It'd be a severe blow to you-know-who after he insisted the game is styled after FFXV and not Versus XIII if he meets with Nomura over Tabata.
For supposed AAA titles, why are Remake and Rebirth so fricking ugly? Say what you will about TLOU, GOW, or Spiderman games but they look fantastic if nothing else.
Because the screenshots you see are always from people playing on performance mode where it upscales 720p, and not the graphics mode.
Rebirth at least, Remake looked like a late stage PS3 game outside of the main 20 or so character models and a couple of specific locations like aeriths house area or shinra building.
You are talking about most millennials who got lucky to have a normal life in time
Read any youtube trailer and is full of 38 years old gays saying they now are married and with kids
>ignore the dozens of studies over the last decade that try to explain why marriage rates are plummeting >the comments on youtube videos have some people saying they're married!
lol
lmao even
That's completly anedoctal evidence. Final Fantasy is one of the franchises with the oldest following. Most people who play Final Fantasy are in their 30s or 40s, they aren't stopping because of family and kids.
If people drop FF, it's because they don't like FF anymore.
Once the average gamer discovers the latest 3 hour sleepezi theory video they will run out and buy Rebirth. We're talking millions of sales once normies take notice of the dedication of the real fans
>remake a game so badly that only people who have played the original can get what's going on >it makes okay sales >make a part 2, where people not only have to have played the original, but the first part >sales halve
wow what a shocker. Can't wait for part 3 to make half those sales again..
>only people who have played the original can get what's going on
The people that didn't play the original have no context over why Remake might be confusing.
They just think it's all part of the story and are along for the ride.
Why do you spend so much of your time arguing disingenuously on Ganker for a game that you clearly did not enjoy or do not like or have no interest in?
>I'll never understand why anyone would go on Ganker and say anything positive about anything
That was the correct response. But since you are disingenuity...
>arguing disingenuously
what makes you think I'm being disingenuous? Examples?
>for a game that you clearly did not enjoy or do not like or have no interest in?
I like FFVII. I liked squaresoft/sqex/whatever. I think FFXIV is good. I would like the company to do well, and make good games again?
what makes you such a little b***h, trying to overanalyse a guy who's made like 3 posts on a public, anonymous cabbage-growing board?
>what makes you think I'm being disingenuous? Examples?
You're presuming that everyone that played Remake that didn't play the OG was confused and you're presuming that everyone that played Rebirth is aware of Aerith dying. Both of which are demonstratbaly false, and disingenuous as frick
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
look at this fricking tool. >HAVE YOU MET EVERY BLACK PERSON?!
Are you a woman?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Anon it's not the early 00s anymore. It's not even the early 10s anymore.
Aeris dying in the original game was a huge spoiler 20 years ago and something that was talked about a lot that a lot of people even if they didn't play JRPGs knew about, especially if they enjoyed talking about video games.
But it's 2024. Her death isn't talked about anymore, it's not a big massive spoiler that is super well known among the general gaming public, because the general gaming public wasn't alive during the time when it was heavily talked about.
I know you don't want to, becuase I don't blame you, but you can go to just about any content creator that's playing Remake/Rebirth as their first FF game - and trust me there's a ton of them - and they have absolutely zero idea that Aerith dies and have zero context over the whispers not being in the first part and are confused as frick as to whats going on with zack because they have no idea who the frick zack is other than what they've seen in the Remake/Rebirth games.
It is fascinating to watch these people experience the same story that people like you or I who played the original (presumably, I don't know you probably never played the OG and just lke to shitpost) 25 years ago. They have a completely different perspective on it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
presumption isn't disingenous if you literally can't prove it either way. Come on, now.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You're presuming that everyone that played Remake that didn't play the OG was confused
Because the game is confusing in itself. It throws elements around that never get resolved within the story of the game. That makes the story confusing.
For example, If you never played CC, you have no idea what the frick Hojo is talking about when he mentions the two different SOLDIER Projects. The game never bothers explaining it (and we're 2/3s of the story through), and moves on assuming you've played CC.
It's a fair assumption to make that you either play OG and spinoffs or Remake is confusing.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
the only reason you concern yourself with that line at all is because you've played Crisis Core. All it is a minor reference to Genesis for the two people who actually liked him and anyone who didn't play Crisis Core won't even concern themselves with that line. You're just looking for things to get mad at
but yes, I agree in general that it's absolutely a necessity to play the original game before the Remake series, because its entire narrative and thematic point is that it is in conversation with the original game and assumes the player is familiar with it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the only reason you concern yourself with that line at all is because you've played Crisis Core.
No, I concern myself with that line because in fiction, if an element is introduced, it will be relevant, so I pay attention. But a lot of elements are not even introduced, they are tossed at you and assume you know, when plenty of people experiencing it have no fricking idea as
Anon it's not the early 00s anymore. It's not even the early 10s anymore.
Aeris dying in the original game was a huge spoiler 20 years ago and something that was talked about a lot that a lot of people even if they didn't play JRPGs knew about, especially if they enjoyed talking about video games.
But it's 2024. Her death isn't talked about anymore, it's not a big massive spoiler that is super well known among the general gaming public, because the general gaming public wasn't alive during the time when it was heavily talked about.
I know you don't want to, becuase I don't blame you, but you can go to just about any content creator that's playing Remake/Rebirth as their first FF game - and trust me there's a ton of them - and they have absolutely zero idea that Aerith dies and have zero context over the whispers not being in the first part and are confused as frick as to whats going on with zack because they have no idea who the frick zack is other than what they've seen in the Remake/Rebirth games.
It is fascinating to watch these people experience the same story that people like you or I who played the original (presumably, I don't know you probably never played the OG and just lke to shitpost) 25 years ago. They have a completely different perspective on it.
said.
The entire deal with Zack in Remake/Rebirth is exclusively for people who played OG/CC. No context is given whatsoever on these remake games on why this person is showing up and why the story follows him or why he's carrying Cloud. They assume you know.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, yes, the remake is for people who played the original and isn't concerned with it making sense to normies just playing it for streams, are you defending those people now? Why aren't you telling them to just go play the original?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why aren't you telling them to just go play the original?
What that has to do with anything? The chain was about assuming people didn't know about the OG playing the Remake and being confused, and you sperging out about that assumption. But it's a reasonable assumption based on the many elements the Remakes throw at the player without explanation or context.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I'm genuinely watching 3 different youtubers that never played OG or CC play through Rebirth and the only confusing part about all the Zack stuff for them is why he met a version of Red and has a version of Cloud and Aerith in comas.
They just think Zack is another part of the story, a new character introduced like Yuffie or Cait Sith. As I said time and time again, they dont' have the context about what makes Zacks part in this other than some kind of timeline sheningnagns. They don't understand the signficance of Zack or him surviving his death, etc, so none of it is confusing for them.
You are looking at this game under a completely different perspective as them, and you seem to be unable to put your head into their perspective.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>It's a fair assumption to make that you either play OG and spinoffs or Remake is confusing.
And I'm telling you that it's not. You're looking at the story of Remake under the guise of someone that is familar with the original story and therefore has the context of what is going on, and that is why it is confusing.
When you lack all context of the original or Crisis Core, you think things like Barret dying and being revived by the Whispers was part of the original plot. Those players don't have the added layer of trying to figure out what the frick is going on on the meta narrative level that players of the originals have.
You pick up on hearing that there's two different SOLDIER programs and go "oh neat that's a nod to Crisis Core when all of that is explained!". They hear two different SOLDIER programs and go "oh neat, there's two differnet SOLDIER programs, wonder what that's all about" and then move on because it's a minor detail that doesn't amount to much at the current point in the story.
>Or that octopath, bravely, etc have done really well
They didn't, both brands are dead in the water currently >because they have classic turn-based battle systems..
Nobody bought either of those for the mediocre turn battle systems, both were sold on the hype for the faux retro appeal, both crashed and burned past the first game because even the suckers who got drawn in didn't really care about what the games had to offer, and they were in fact pretty mediocre on the gameplay part as well.
BD2 shipped around a million copies so far according to Squenix' official numbers, BD1 sold/shipped three times that, Bravely Second also reportedly sold worse than BD2.
OT was the same, OT1 sold around 3 million copies and OT2 crashed to less than half of those numbers.
Where are all the several millions FF fans that want turn based combat back?
Because they're factually not buying the turn based games they supposedly want so desperately.
As much as I love turn based combat, I hated how OT1 handled it's combat/job system, and it's story, and when I heard OT2 was more of the same it killed any intention I had on buying it.
>1 million copies >3 million copies
this is somehow not great numbers for a 3DS game and a AA basically-indie game? Neither of those had anywhere near the insane marketing that rebirth got.
They're pretty good sales numbers for a budget series, if they didn't show how again, those are games made to suck in people with fake nostalgia and those people will hardly bother with a long running franchise, if the sales' crashes happened just one time it would be one thing, but you're not convincing suits that you want turn based combat back for their big budget AAA games where every single turn based series you push crashes and burns.
FF is supposed to sell 7-8 millions minimum, not a paltry 2 million average, and turn based has nothing to do with it since again, people do not buy turn based games for the sake of turn based combat, SaGa would be selling gorillions if that were true since it's the only IP Square had that actually has effort put into it and yet that series is also hovering in the 800K range average per game.
FF is dying because it has no clear identity and offers nothing unique in the market, it always was like that but back then the market was smaller, most JP devs couldn't compete, especially overseas, nowadays it's different.
Young people noticed that too since they didn't grow in the limited market of the previous generation where there was hardly any choice and FF dominated due to enormous budgets and bloated advertisement campaigns.
I guarantee you that even if FF goes back to non ATB turn based it will still sell the same numbers because people don't care and never cared about that, no matter how much you try to gaslight yourself with [enter numbered entry here] killing the series, it's time for you to accept that the franchise was always bad and only temporarily coasted on a very fortuitous market state that is simply not there anymore, and no amount of hourly cope generals like this one will change this.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I mean you're not wrong. But the AA games and lower-budget turn-based games are costing far less to make, so it's more excusable when they make more modest returns.
Pointless though, because Nomura is going to push FF down the toilet as fast as he can.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sure, but let's say they somehow roll back FF to low budget, what would the fans think? Certainly nothing good given how they were already shitposting about 16 looking worse than 15.
FF is in a catch 22 dilemma that was already a thing since the SNES games and only now is becoming more apparent, it's a series that sold on high value spectacle and directing rather than strong gameplay or some distinctive trait that you couldn't find anywhere else, it's what Sakaguchi chose to do since FF4, it's the reason he hired people like Kitase and Nojima in the first place and eventually entrusted the franchise to Kitase, this is an uncomfortable truth to some but it's the truth nonetheless.
Sakaguchi thought, naively, that Square would always be at the forefront of visuals and presentation, he bet everything on that, he created entire divisions such as the Hawaii studio entirely to push that vision, he was ultimately very, very wrong and the franchise is now struggling with competitors that not only are much better at pushing graphics and direction, but are capable of writing much better stories, create franchises with a clear direction beyond having good visuals and overall connect with people more than FF ever did.
What happens to such a franchise when it can't stand the test of time like others did and still do?
Dragon Quest is still selling strong, SMT as a whole is only growing more and more with each entry, be it mainline or spinoffs like Persona, Re:Fantasy seems to be part of that trend too, even other internal SE IPs have been seeing a resurgence with both Mana and SaGa coming back into the mainstream while FF sells less and less with each entry despite having 50 times the budgets of those side franchises.
Truth is the franchise is going down no matter what, high budget is too costly to make good profit but if you go low budget you also completely lose your credibility as a company, there's simply no escape no matter how you look at it.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I get what you're saying. They have to progress somehow, and they're stuck in a shitty situation where if they go backward they're fricked and if they go forward they're fricked.
I thought they could have done very well on mobile markets, but they got greedy and slapped up the microtransactions so high on their games that they lost all credibility.
I would hope that XVI does well on PC, but that's really just wishful thinking at this point. I don't know what they can do to reverse their fortunes now that the damage has been done.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
The ugliest modern Final Fantasy game is doing the best for what it's worth.
unironically do a ff16 style game and release it multiplatform. ff16 got initial hype and buzz because it was a fun game, but the minute people realized it was PS5 exclusive it flopped hard. the failure of the remake series also shows that you cannot do episodic shit for a game that 20 years ago release full. also they need to at least have a FF game that is just classic turn based style, not as a main line game as that is for casuals
these new games suck because they don't have Hironobu Sakaguchi to tell them no any more, and so everything has turned into some homosexual kingdom hearts garbage. People don't want that, but these egomaniacs don't care
isn't that other guy still there, too? The one who made an entire game based on the girl from XIII coming out of the game to be his wife, and who has a weird armpit fetish?
>The one who made an entire game based on the girl from XIII coming out of the game to be his wife, and who has a weird armpit fetish?
Never heard of this. QRD?
What I know is that Nojima (also wrote FFVIIR) has an audiobook full of Tidus and Yuna NTR.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Motomo Toriyama. Like most Japanese videogame writers, he's a weird, obssessive freak who writes his fetishes into games and jerks himself off over people playing them. Look him up.
>What I know is that Nojima (also wrote FFVIIR) has an audiobook full of Tidus and Yuna NTR.
oh god, yeah. That audio drama. That was just fricking terrible.
Don't make it a sequel
sorry that your botted reviews got nuked
or maybe your botted reviews are keeping it up?
yea, I also delete all negative reviews from the site
The fact that Metacritic allows casual deletion of reviews without any transparency or process kinda makes the entire metric insanely irrelevant.
Copium, the game sold miserably, dude. Positive reviews means nothing, it sold less than mediocre shit like Xenoblade 3 and Tales of Arise.
>Doomposter so on autopilot and bot-tier that he's responding to his own allies by mistake
LOL
tfw easiest GOTY of all time
Japanese "humor"
It was ok when the OG did it.
damn
>SE best shot in their lifetime
>still lost to Atlus
Sad
Yeah like how FFXV lost rpg of the year to persona 5 that one make Barry seethe pretty hard kek
wtf i didn't know barry had beef with p5. how does he feel about p4?
Fatlus wins again. Larry on suicide watch.
Eh, Persona 5 is marginally better than FFXIII. Easily one of the worst paced JRPGs of all time along Xenoblade X.
And will forever live rent free inside the minds of Final Fantasy fanboys.
>higher userscore than baldurs gay
Based Hamaguchi will save the franchise
PC port, as always.
this, it's a great game so it would sell big on steam with a day1 release. But sony must be paying them big money
Yeah, it can’t be too serious if they are constantly willing to throw sales away by not releasing on all consoles.
given the (seemingly) lackluster sales I think part3 might have a PC release
They ought to release all 3 parts as one game, not pt3 alone.
they probably will, you got part1 for free if you preordered part2
ff7r flopped on pc
literally only ffxv and og ff7 sold well on pc
and only ff7 and ff15 have sold over 1m on pc
>epic exclusivity
no shit, way to kill all hype for a game
why would that impact who buys it on steam? it still came to steam and has only sold 600k in like almost 2 years its been on steam
because everyone who was interested already bought it elsewhere because that was the only option?
why is this so hard for you morons to understand? I don't get it
that's not how it works and it flopped on egs
Everything flops on ESG.
it flopped on EGS because no one buys anything on EGS, because it's a fricking garbage store and Epic is a scumbag company
Late ports almost never do well. People buying it elsewhere is part of it, but mostly is that a huge percentage of gamers really only care about new games, so if a game is coming to their platform 2+ years after the fact they don’t give a frick anymore
Why would I buy the PC version of Remake on steam when I bought the PC version of Remake on EGS a year earlier?
I sure as shit won't be waiting another 6+ months for Rebirth to leave the EGS exclusivitiy just to buy it on Steam, I'm buying it day 1 on whatever platform hosts it on PC. If it's EGS and Steam day 1 I'll go Steam. if it's EGS exclusive, guess I'm giving ole timmy another 70$.
Do you not understand hype culture? You have to bank on the release being a fresh new thing. If the game came out at the same time as the ps4 version the sales would be much larger because people want to be part of the zeitgeist. By the time it came out on steam lots of people lost interest in the title in general. Or thought that if they waited a year or two already they might as well wait for the sale and some of those eventually lost interest as well.
It came to steam and steamies still didn't buy it.
I dont support epic or exclusivity so i wont buy.
Just release software with no shady bullshit schemes...how is this hard?
>late release
>store exclusive
>shitty port
>full price for years
"wtf why is it selling poorly?"
ff15 was a late pc release yet did well
being a shitty pc version didn't stop elden ring from selling
15 and ER were on steam from the start, no EGS shit.
15 came to pc in 2018, console in 2016
egs kills games
>released like 16 months after PS4 release
>Epic exclusive for an additional year
>in the years following FF15's release on Steam ($50), the FF14 Starter Edition (at $20) made just as much Steam money for Square in 2020, 2022 and 2023 and vastly beat it out in 2019 and 2021
Dayum. XIV is a powerhouse.
Cut it out with the timed exclusivity nonsense. This is why Persona is slowly growing to dominate FF as a JRPG brand. The simultaneous releases on PC/Xbox/Sony and the eventual Switch ports have done wonders for the sales and popularity.
I would have bought Rebirth minute one had it been available on steam. Square/Sony still thinks that people will buy PS consoles for FF, when that era is long gone. Too many misfires and I will never buy a new PS console.
Are you stupid?
>The simultaneous releases on PC/Xbox/Sony and the eventual Switch ports have done wonders for the sales and popularity.
Still not even close to FF.
It's getting there homosexual. P3 Reload sold a million within it's first week -- and it's a Remake. I also doubt FFXVI or Rebirth sold more than P5 ever will.
>P3 Reload sold a million within it's first week on PC/Xbox/Sony
7rebirth sold 2.21 on the first day lmao. also a remake. On one console lmao.
Stellar Blade going to prove that exclusivity isn't the reason why rebirth flopped.
>reason why rebirth flopped.
proof?
>Cut it out with the timed exclusivity nonsense.
>This is why Persona is slowly growing to dominate FF
Persona; with the notorious Sony exclusive Persona 5 that had people beg on their knees for years.
Literally THE best case for timed exclusivity EVER.
bruh moment.
Persona erupted in popularity the moment all entries came to PC. You're moronic.
*breathes in
NEW COPE DROPPED.
p5 was bloodborne tier of port begging tho. for 6 years.
All me btw
All Sony have to do is PS & PC simu-release like Helldivers 2.
Why didn't they do it for their games?
They would regard market share super quick.
FF is not a Sony game, it's a Square Enix game. SE is a third party developer. Their games should be on all platforms to begin with.
They had their chance when they killed the time jannies at the end of the first game but instead they doubled-down on it. There is no saving this "remake" anymore.
It's doing fine, the issue is that it's a PS5 exclusive, like, FF XV was multiplatform and then Sony gave some money and Square was like "Yes, screw everyone else!" and lost some audience.
Like, Final Fantasy is popular enough it's like the one JRPG franchise even Xbox owners would buy, and then they accepted Epic Game Store money and lost immediate access to Steam whenever they release their PC port.
FF7 Remake at least was during Quarantine times from what i recall and the PS4 had more people who owned it, so it was fine.
>It's doing fine
Except objectively not.
based on?
ffxv on ps4 alone sold better than ff16 or ff7r2 on ps5, or ff7r on ps4 for that matter
the issue isn't exclusivity its appeal
ff16 had 0 appeal
ff15 had high appeal
ff7r only appealed to the ff7 compilations fans
the issue is exclusivity, times are differents and consoles are dying, both xbox and sony are aknowledging that fact, especially for games that now only appeal to autistic millenials like FF
PS5 has sold more now than ps4 had sold when ff15 released
yet software sales for sp games are still shit because people only use them to play live service games nowadays, which is why 16 was still somehow in the top selling exclusives
when ff16 released the only other PS5 exclusives were
2 VR games
astro bot which is bundled with every ps5
a shovelware car battle brawler
demons souls remake which released when nobody had a ps5
>ff15 had high appeal
More like ff15 killed the franchise and now no one want to try modern FF
It's selling worse than Dragon's Dogma 2. That's not "fine".
>FF7 Remake at least was during Quarantine times from what i recall and the PS4 had more people who owned it, so it was fine.
Rebirth sold worse than XVI which had even fewer PS5s sold.
I doubt there's anything they can do to put a stop to it. They betrayed fans of their golden goose by marketing a game as a remake only to pull the rug out from under them by making the actual game a disrespectful sequel with a ridiculous, derivative, convoluted Kingdom Hearts-esque storyline that nobody gives a plagued rat's ass about. People wanted FF7 with modern graphics.
kill nu square
Put Takatsugu Nakazawa in charge
Only he can save FF
I like his resume. I'd play a FF17 made by him.
SE should also commission yusuke naora do work as art director even though he left SE
he still worked on SE stuff years after he left
If he was the guy who decided to put magic as granades in 15 he can rot in hell
release everything, yuffie dlc for part 1 aswell, on ps4, and it will do ok.
same with 16. same with stellar blade, same with everything else. no one is buying a ps5.
Not have it be exclusive. I also feel it's suffering from having to follow Remake, which was lackluster, while Rebirth is a genuinely good game. They could also scale back XVII to be able to run on the Switch 2, but Square is too scared of FF not being a big technical powerhouse, even though ever since it has been, people have been mixed on it.
nintendo lost the rights to FF when they refused to fund the cd drive THEY ordered, which caused the playstation.
Only console warriors still care about that shit. If Square wants this series to do numbers again, that's the serious situation they have to be looking at.
I dont want to see them downgrade for shitty hardware "console war" things aside, and again I shouldn't have to explain this, nintendo wore out THEIR welcome with the square team during development for (OG) ff7, square don't owe them a port. (on shitty hardware)
Final Fantasy as a technical powerhouse has worn its welcome. Nobody gives a shit anymore and just wants a fun game, which you can do without the graphics being as close to realistic as they can. FF was always best when it was more about artstyle. Saying "Nintendo wore their welcome" over some shit that happened nearly 30 fricking years ago is console war homosexualry, and you should off yourself.
for the third time its not about "console war" its about nintendo doing bad business with square in the past I don't care I was a sega guy, I have no horse in this race I dont fricking care. stop inferring things I didnt say. butthole.
and if you want not good graphics then don't bother remaking ff7 just play og.
>Nintendo doing bad business with square in the past
Someone who just started at square when that all went down would be nearing retirement by now, I guarantee they don’t give a frick about that
It's also not the same people at Nintendo. The only member of the board of directors from the old days is Miyamoto who is surely retiring after the Zelda movie releases.
>square don’t owe them a port
is that how you think this works? Nintendo would be the one doing square a favour by letting them publish it on the switch
The games are good, so theres no need to do anything. It's the gaming industry that needs to be less moronic.
Data actually suggests that FF Rebirth has 2.21 DAILY ACTIVE players, as that's what the analyst actually said, but I know reading is hard.
How about putting the fricking game on Steam so I can play it? PS5 exclusivity is a death sentence.
I'm honestly baffled at how poorly rebirth is doing in sales
its like barely above crisis core reuinion
Remake turned a LOT of people away when they realized it wasn't actually a remake. You'd think they'd know this going in but I have talked to normalgays who were genuinely surprised it wasn't the game they remembered from when they grew up.
A lot of people, normal people, not the shills and the mindbroken on 4chins, are genuinely upset by this and won't touch the FF7R-series.
To be fair I went into Remake without any spoilers. I didnt even watch the trailers and ignored all news about the game. I expected a slightly different game with updated graphics, mechanics, more characters from the extended FF7 universe with slight story adjustments. I wasnt even opposed to an updated vision of the game. Boy was I pissed when I saw fricking ghosts appearing out of nowhere about 2 hours in...And I didnt expect it at all.
In the end I understand all the people who said anything other than a 1:1 version would be a looming disaster. And it was. The story lost all its grounding and we are at Marvel levels of utter bullshittery. Look at Rebirth where we are introduced to a whopping 5/FIVE realities in a span of 2 hours. What a fricking mess!
There was NO reason to push this multiverse bullshit in the first place. Or at least not any further than Remake did. They only did it so Aerith can both die and live due to alternative realities. They didnt have the balls to either kill her outright or simply let her live. You can see it with the ending. We still have NO idea if shes actually dead or some reality bending bullshit happened. I expected some really bad shit and they still managed to make it even worse than I thought.
Time Jannies, Retcons, Bloat, Hubris, Ubislop Open World and ESG killed 7R.
If they just did a remake like Trials of Mana, turning 2D maps into 3D, same type of gameplay and keeping the story the same, no one would have complained. But Nomura HAD to be Nomura....
And yet for the 95% of Rebirth that's basically just an expanded version of what happens in OG7, it's legitimately one of the best games of the century.
(You) are a moronic shill, good games generate genuine hype; marketing can only do so much
Remake set the tone for frickery
Rebirth being an exclusive on a dying console with no games sealed the deal
These two
get it
The problem is, like you said, Remake set the tone.
Rebirth bucks that tone for about 90% of the game until the very end, but the damage was already done.
It doesn't matter how genuinely good Rebirth is, because no amount of hype or talking about how good it is will change the minds of people that are bitter about the choices made in Remake 4 years ago. As evident by literally any Rebirth thread in the last few months.
>>And yet for the 95% of Rebirth that's basically just an expanded version of what happens in OG7
That is the problem.
Rebirth only covers a FRACTION of a OG FF7 region and bloats it with unnecessary filler, like FF7 Remake did. We DON'T need an expanded Costa Del Sol because we only spend 10 minutes there in the original!
Square could very well do a 1:1 remake if they just cut out the bloat and kept the same pacing the same as OG!
My ex girlfriend was faithful 95% of the time but that wasn't good enough.
Botches all good moments even when being faithful
But what about the 300% of moronic bullshit?
Agreed.
If they wanted to make the gameplay more action-oriented, something like Trials would work. An 1:1 remake, just replacing the pre-rendered backgrounds with 3D environments with the action combat they have now. It would have been a success.
>do THIS instead.
>Trust me, I post on Ganker
I guarantee you that if they listened to your unoriginal and unambitious ideas, they would have never cracked 4mil for remake. It would have been sitting at 3 million like SMRPG with no hype for any additional content.
>Worked for Trials of Mana
>"It won't work in FF7 because.....it just WON'T, ok!?"
Right, because powers that be that make direction decisions for games like 15, 16, and everything related to 7RE have proven to be wildly successful and square's stock hasn't totally taken a major hit
What's your big idea? EVEN MORE new/ different/ gimmicky shit? With MORE filler side quests and mini games and ubitowers? Merge 7 and dissidia? Because they've already connected 5 to 7, they may as well double down, huh?
>Because they've already connected 5 to 7, they may as well double down, huh?
oh frick off you massive homosexual, having Gilgamesh in the game isn't connecting 5 to 7. That same Gilgamesh pops up all the goddamn time in other games and that doesn't mean those other games are connected to 5. Gilgamesh is very specifically trapped in the interdimensional rift and that lets very specifically him travel from world to world, but it's not like the worlds of 5 and 7 are linked now and we're going to get Bartz and his harem popping up in part 3.
>Specifically says he remembers where he came from and mentions the warriors of light
Nah, they'll probably pop 10 or sora in part 3, you know, class it up
Double homosexual
says he remembers where he came from and mentions the warriors of light
That doesn't mean that 5 and 7 are now tied together though you absolute media illiterate moron.
With this multiverse shit, it literally means square can mcguffin shit from another final fantasy if it means artificial hype and buzz, you moron
The whole point of this direction was to catch the attention of the fickle casual audience
If they think that was a good idea, going full moron to attempt to bring back old fans doesn't seem so farfetched
>With this multiverse shit
The multiverse no longer exists at the end of Rebirth. It's all restored back to a single timeline.
As I said, you're a media illiterate moron.
You really think they're gonna play it safe in pt 3?
They've already gone this far, there's no way they can undo the damage they've done unless they somehow retcon rem and reb, and start from scratch AGAIN
And since that seems unlikely, my guess is, they'll find a way to shit 3 up even more
>You really think they're gonna play it safe in pt 3?
They've played it safe as frick in parts 1 and parts 2, so yes.
smrpg remake sold more than the original smrpg and more than ff16 and ff7 rebirth
SMRPG obliterated FFVIIR and anyone saying that no one would want a faithful remake. No one cares about Nomura's and Kitase's and Nojima's ambitions. They haven't made a good game in over 20 years.
One is a Final Fantasy branded game, when the series is inaruably at the lowest popularity it's been since the SNES era
One is a Mario branded game, when the series is inaruably at the highest popularity it's been since the SNES era
You don't have to be a disingenuous dipshit that equates the SMRPG sales to the fact that it's a faithful 1:1 remake when the game sold becuase it's a mario game.
Nah I like it better because it doesn't replace the original.
Release a PC version. Stellar Blade should also release on PC day 1.
the other problem is its not actually a remake its redo of evangelion and a lot of people are just not happy with that.
hopefully they have actual remake in heaven when they launch all the nukes.
Meds.
no
he's right
i guarantee if it was a 1:1 remake with the new graphics and combat and wasnt multi part it wouldve sold better
I guarantee that [headcanon]
no i think the focus on zack in 7rebirth has ruined zack
he only works as a heroic figure getting shot out in cold blood which made ff7s world feel bleak
when he's time janny multiverse shitting to team up with cloud to stop one of the 5 Sephiroths it just ruins him, and ff7
Even Crisis Core Reunion wasn't a 1:1 remake though, they changed the combat and voices to closer resemble FF7 Remake.
This franchise is a fricking disaster
its all yoshitpisses fault
>PS5 Exclusive in the year of the lord 2024
whatever deal SE struck with sony in 2019 has fricked them
ff7r ps4 exclusuve
barely broke even and PS5 version flopped
forspoken ps5 console exclusive
flopped
ff16 ps5 exclusive
flopped
foamstars ps5 exclusive
flopped
ff7 rebirth ps5 exclusive
flopped
if kh4 amd dq12 are ps5 exclusive theyre doomed
>people actually thinking a PC release would have helped it tremendously.
If the game had same day PC release the PS5 version would have half the sales it currently has, and the PC-only sales would account for maybe an additional 10%.
All the people in these threads that go
>well I would have bought it but I don't have a ps5!!
have no actual intent on buying or playing the game.
they said the exact same thing about Remake when it released as a PS4 exclusive, then said that they're not going to buy it and support EGS when it came to PC for the original release, and then when it came to Steam they refused to buy it because muh full priced game 3 years later.
Shut it, PC is the main market now.
Notice how nothing you said actually counters my arguement.
There's always some excuse that primarily PC players will have as to why they aren't buying the game because they hold the grudge that it didn't come to PC on day 1.
More like they lost interest and have no intention of buying a 3 year old game at full price on the Epic Game Store
PC would have saved it.
>outside of japan
BASED japan making MHW on PS4 the best selling version by far
It sold the most on PC thanks to China.
nope
I fully intend to purchase rebirth day one on PC, and I pray daily for the death of every Sony exec who signs these exclusivity deals
I bought 2 million copies
>Rebirth cost $200 million to make
>only sold 2 million copies
>$70 * 2 million = $140 million
oh no no no no no no no
no way it cost 200 mill to make. They groundwork was already made in remake. Plus sony pays them for exclusivity
Part3 will be even cheaper to make
insomniac leak reveals aaa games are $200 mil now and a low budget AAA game is $100m
this 100% cost more than $200m
if it sold 2m and cost only $150m then it would have already broken even and SE wouldve said so
it hasn't broke even yet
they cost that if it's done from ground up. Rebirth wasn't made from ground up, it was just upgraded from Remake
it also reused assets from ff15
I spotter the iron giant, gigantoad, mindflayer, quetzalcoatl, griffon, jabberwocki, wieneratrice among others in rebirth are all the ff15 model asset and design
also stuff like the malboro, tonberry, cactuar and behemoth in 7r part 1 were just reskinned versions of the ff15 asset of those enemies and are used in rebirth too
Square doesn’t get $70 from a $70 game sale, they get $49, and probably a bit less from a disc version
Games are ridiculously expensive to make now, $200 million+ is the norm for AAA games, and that isn't even mentioning the nearly decade long dev cycles
We're long overdue for another game industry crash
Average development time for AAA games is 4 years. See God of War 2018 for example.
>Sold less than 16
Oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no-∞
ff16 also flopped
you're both in the same sinking ship
That's why I'm laughing.
It sold less than a game that flopped. This does not bode well at all.
>SUGGESTS
aka "I have no proof"
It's simple: publish the sales figures.
But Square is not doing this... for SOME reason.
What could it be, hmmm?
Anon, it's probably because the series is doing TOO well. Don't you know anything about publicly traded companies? It's smart to not announce sales when they're booming!
Well the best thing we can all do is not buy these embarrassing remakes to show we don't want Nomura and Co's capeshit adjacent garbage.
Retcon the whole fricking thing and do a 1:1
Because that's what many wanted, and a lot of newbies wanted to play the game, just not with N64/PS1 visuals
We need Cliff Blezinski to bring dudebro to Final Fantasy.
Team Ninja already covered that
last good FF game.
in the end his game is the last successful ff
I hated FF15 yet the number of copies it sold was crazy. Wasnt it like 20 million?
ff15 is 10m+ in 5.5 years across on 3 platform
ff10 is 14m in 22 years across 7 platforms
ff7 is 14.4m in 27 years across 11 platforms
they are the only 3 FF to sell over 10m
>Final Fantasy never cleared the 15 mil barrier despite the growing game market
yeah after pokemon its the biggest jrpg
it's practically an action RPG series now
for a series as long running as FF and moving into a more popular genre it should be at least cracking 15 mil, this series is truly dead
>it should be at least cracking 15 mil
based on?
based on the rest of the industry successfully growing their long running franchises to keep up with the expanding industry
If your game sold 10 million on the PS1 and then 3 generations later your latest game is hitting the same number, you've got a problem
>If your game sold 10 million on the PS1
After a decade of sales. And that 10 million number is wrong. Since 1 million of that came from the PC port that came out in 1998.
>3 generations later your latest game is hitting the same number, you've got a problem
I can tell you don't understand how sales work.
>2 million sold
Jannys need to permaban anyone who posts this bait article.
Anyone who advocates for censoring content they don't like actually belong on Plebit.
square enix social media manager just posted this
https://twitter.com/SunGod87/status/1779496797796290942?t=YkoDClb3uSSiYFeVmjiW8A&s=19
guess kh4 is SEs next big release
>*guess kh4 is SEs next big flop
Fixed that for you.
probably yeh
kh3 killed a lot of kh goodwill
>kh3 killed a lot of kh goodwill
and it was also the best selling entry
I think I'm seeing a pattern here
Final Fantasy XIV-2: A Realm Rebirthed
Tifa in Tekken
nice
Dragon Smegma 2 sold more copies
get woke go broke
That can't be real.
>people paid $70+ tip for this
I don't care about this game, at least not until the PC version drops, but unironically arguing that a game measured at 2.21 daily active players sold less than 2 million copies is astoundingly moronic.
I have a serious question: why is there a need to save Final Fantasy? What does being a Final Fantasy game means nowadays anyway? What's there stopping Square Enix from making FFXVI a non FF game?
Do you mean XVII? Because Square already made XVI a non-FF game. It still managed to be better than XV and XIII though so credit where credit is due.
>What does being a Final Fantasy game means nowadays anyway?
Same thing it's almost always meant.
Cutting edge tech with a mediocre JRPG attached.
Without the bleeding edge tech, it's just another mediocre JRPG franchise with a lot of emotial baggage among the fanbase.
>it's just another mediocre JRPG franchise with a lot of emotial baggage among the fanbase
So like Dragon Quest?
Pretty much, yes. And I say this as someone that enjoys the DQ series.
look at him go!
What in the actual frick.
FF7 was a goofy as frick game that had some serious moments in it.
Rebirth is a goofy as frick game that has some serious moments in it.
Or are you mad that the NPC is black?
FF7 was not marvel tier zany and randumb, Remake is.
also yea, Rebirth has way too many ugly gays and Black folk
>FF7 was not marvel tier zany and randumb
You never actually played FF7 if you think that.
You have never played VII
Square really shot themselves in the foot not building up an audience on Nintendo this generation, for Final Fantasy I mean.
If the Switch didn't have 2011 smartphone specs that might have been an option. But this is reality.
Meanwhile Capcom couldn't get monster hunter world on the switch so they just made a new one and sold a shitload of consoles while continuing to expand the monster hunter audience.
There are lots of FF games available on the Switch, just not the ones that it's unable to run.
>There are lots of FF games available on the Switch, just not the ones that it's unable to run.
You know it's not the same thing. The FF games on switch are like 20 years old. They should have made a new game for the Nintendo audience like other third parties did. This is a serious issue for them because now even when the switch 2 comes out and can run their new games, there isn't going to be an audience built up to buy them and they'll sell like shit.
The Switch has World of Final Fantasy, Crisis Core Reunion and every single numbered game through and including 12. All of these are substantially better than anything Square would be likely to turn out for a new, Switch exclusive, title.
I'm sure if the Switch 2 actually manages to release with specs from this century ports for XVI, 7R, and possibly even XIV will be forthcoming.
We did get a new FF game exclusive for the switch.
It's called Bravely Default 2.
Nah not even Bravely Default fans remember The Four Heroes of Light.
The point is more even if Bravely Default 2 was called Final Fantasy Switch or something, it wouldn't have sold well.
Square Enix didn't give the last few generations of gamers any must play best of generation titles like Squaresoft and Enix did in the 90s/early 00s, so the only people left that give a shit about them or their IPs are people that grew up with them 30 years ago, which is a dwindling fanbase as more and more of them grow older and have less time for games, or die, or move on from gaming as a whole, etc etc.
>I'm sure if the Switch 2 actually manages to release with specs from this century ports for XVI, 7R, and possibly even XIV will be forthcoming.
You didn't read what I said. Yes the switch 2 will get those games. But because they didn't make anything meaningful for the switch in its 8 years there is no final fantasy audience on the platform to sell these games to. While the next Monster Hunter, Persona and Dragon Quest will sell fantastically on the switch 2, final fantasy is gonna bomb. And it didn't need to be that way.
What Persona or Dragon Quest games were made for the switch audience that sold well enough that you think the next iterations of the series will sell fantastically on the switch 2?
>And it didn't need to be that way.
Yes it did, because the Switch can't run modern games. Also the Switch has two of the best FF handheld titles ever made so your entire point is nonsense. Everything is new when you're 8 years old.
>Yes it did, because the Switch can't run modern games
The Switch couldn't run Monster Hunter World so they made a new game for it. The switch couldn't run Dragon Quest XI so they made a new version and rebuilt the game. But the final fantasy team didn't even try. And this didn't hurt Nintendo, it hurt them.
And the Switch already has 30 fricking FF games on it. Why does it need another onr? Especially since everyone other than children have a Switch + either a PC or PS. If the children want a FF that bad they have a million options.
I do agree with you in the notion that a lot of switch owners also have a PC. However, Square's recent Final Fantasy games have been for some reason pushing specs really hard so a lot of PC owners also can't run them well. And the timed exclusivity to Playstation is obviously doing the franchise no favors.
>Square's recent Final Fantasy games have been for some reason pushing specs really hard so a lot of PC owners also can't run them well.
What the frick is this nonsense? What third world shithole do you live in where PC owners can't run FF7 Remake, FFXV, FFXIV, and Strangers of Paradise? All of those run perfectly fine with low to mid tier hardware.
The reason why the PC market has been expanding so much isn't because the traditional hardcore PC gamer audience has been expanding. It's because with diminishing returns, people are able to get into PC gaming with much cheaper weaker hardware. Very low end PCs as well as non-gaming laptops are now becoming viable to game on PC. Even if they port the new FF to PC, it's made for PS5 and PC games are inherently less optimized so I guarantee you a lot of people wont be able to run it.
AMD's next gen APUs will have 1060 tier graphics built in, that opens up plenty of games to office PCs
Yeah, how many people have that right now, versus how many people have a 4 year old laptop? They should be aiming to expand the market as much as possible. To do that they should have targetted PS4 hardware and released on PC and Nintendo launch day.
>versus how many people have a 4 year old laptop?
A 4 year old laptop can run all of Square's recent FF PC releases.
4 years ago was 2020, most of those machines are plenty capable of running PS4 tier games
...This isn't a PS4 game
>UE4
Rebirth literally is a gussied up PS4 game, yes. If the resolution and particle effects were scaled own, the framerate set to 30, and the PS4 had an SSD it could probably run it with some strategically placed loading screens.
Yes, if they made the game differently it could have run on weaker hardware. But they didn't do that, nor are they going to for the inevitable PC release.
>But they didn't do that, nor are they going to for the inevitable PC release.
Which they won't have to because even a low end rig has way more horsepower than a fricking PS4.
>Even if they port the new FF to PC, it's made for PS5 and PC games are inherently less optimized so I guarantee you a lot of people wont be able to run it.
Except we already know everyone can run all of those games listed just fine and Rebirth uses the exact same engine. Your point has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of these games. Anyone who can't run Remake or XV is probably so poor they would just pirate it anyway. The games run just fine on low end hardware and that's a fact.
I assume you're trolling me or something because you're using an 8 year old PS4 game to tell me how a PS5 exclusive it gonna run.
Rebirth uses the exact same engine as Remake. And we're talking about the PC versions of FF games that currently exist: all of which can run perfectly fine on mid to low end hardware.
It's your job to convince me that Rebirth somehow won't be possible on mid tier rigs because there is nothing I've seen from Rebirth that would convince me that a mid tier rig should have any challenge at all. Rebirth is NOT an inherently demanding game.
>engine = system requirements
Well I guess since Bethesda keeps using the same engine that the original xbox should be able to run the next elder scrolls game.
>using bethesda as an example of the average optimization process
The lowest common denominator, which has been using its own playerbase to finish their games for decades now, is not the norm. Square's PC ports since XV have all been fairly well optimized.
>The lowest common denominator, which has been using its own playerbase to finish their games for decades now, is not the norm. Square's PC ports since XV have all been fairly well optimized.
The GPU for "recommended system requirements" for XV is 3x stronger than a PS4. Minimum, which obviously will run like dogshit is roughly equivalent to a PS4. So I'd expect this to be similar. Around 10tflops minimum and 30tflops or something like 15-20tflops with aggressive DLSS for recommended.
>The GPU for "recommended system requirements" for XV is 3x stronger than a PS4
Right, so a GPU from 2015. Got it.
>Rebirth uses the exact same engine as Remake
They both are UE4, but they did a lot of engine customization work when they did the Yuffie DLC and used that as the bast for Rebirth.
I know all this but this Black person is sitting here trying to tell me Rebirth is some high end demanding game that mid tier rigs won't be able to run and that's pure insanity.
It has some of the furthest draw distances in the industry, and the last chapter before the PONR seemlessly connects the entire game world.
PCs had trouble running Remake, and that game was tiny in comparison. Now granted that was in part due to a buggy port with forced reso scaling and DX12, but still.
>This is a serious issue for them because now even when the switch 2 comes out and can run their new games, there isn't going to be an audience built up to buy them and they'll sell like shit.
No one except literal 8 year olds owns just a Switch.
Nobody period owns a PS5 lmao
Just under 60 million do, it's been out pacing the PS4 in USA, UK, Japan for over a year. The only reason worldwide is trailing is because Sony have been unable to price drop due to hardware costs staying the same
Pretty much this. It's more accurate to say that no poorgays own a PS5.
brother we all know anti-Square posters are third world east asia esl anons butt mad that Square is still doing exclusive deals with Sony. you can't afford a ps5, it's cool. but you are irrelevant outside of ruining Ganker threads.
lol frick off. No-one needs Nintendo shit to be successful. Just like how Fromsoft doesn't even give Nintendo the time of day and are just fine. Just like how Capcom didn't need Nintendo in the slightest for Monster Hunter World to be the best-selling in the franchise, and the Monster Hunter made for a Nintendo system not coming even close to it. I'm tired to Nintendo manchildren pretending their company and their shitty systems is the end all to be all.
It's a real shame they pigeon-holed the franchise into constantly chasing "anime realism" fairly early on.
Imagine if they branched into a sub-series that still impresses visually but manages to run on weaker hardware. Even if it means going with a completely foreign artstyle from what we're used to, like the anime/cel-shading look that is really popular. The style would work really work well with some of Square Enix's artists too. Throw in waifus and you could end up with a reliable way to generate income in-between the "big brother" entries.
Sure you'd end up with a bunch of infighting between the realismgays and the animegays, but let's be real the infighting is bad enough as it is already. Throwing more fuel onto the raging forest fire couldn't do much worse.
back 2 4 homiez in a row
I WANTED A FRICKING SINGULAR REMAKE OF THE ORIGINAL PS1 GAME
INSTEAD I GOT A SEQUEL SPLIT INTO THREE FRICKING GAMES, NEEDED AN FRICKING DECADE TO FINISH, COST UPWARDS TO 200 BUCKS FOR A COMPLETE STORY, CAME OUT ON TWO (PROBABLY THREE) DIFFERENT CONSOLE GENERATIONS, AND WASNT EVEN ABOUT THE ORIGINAL GAME BUT THE REST OF THE FRICKING BLOATED TACKED ON GARBAGE THAT RELEASED AFTER THE ORIGINAL GAME
HOW IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND
FORGET ZOOMERS AND KIDDIES
NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL FANS CAN STOMACH THIS NONSENSICAL SHIT
>NOT EVEN THE ORIGINAL FANS CAN STOMACH THIS NONSENSICAL SHIT
Just because you can't stomach the remake doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
OG7 was my first FF game back when I was like 10 in 1997 and is to this day in my top 3 of all time games, and I love the hell out of Remake and Rebirth.
They're not perfect by any means, and do I wish they didn't do a bunch of random shit with time jannies and multiverses? sure. But I can get over the 5-10% of the game that's nonsensical Kitsae/Normura junk if it means the other 90-95% is a blast.
>a blast
>best combat in the entire JRPG genre
>better combat than most ARPGs
>the characters are nearly perfect
>the towns being fully realized is akin to how we thought of them as children playing the original 25 years ago
>all the sidequests now include very well done character moments for 1 or more party members making every single one of them worth seeking out and doing
>one of the most expansive and complete OSTs I've encountered in my 35+ years of gaming
Yes, having a blast. I could go on and on about how insanely good of a game Rebirth is.
Remake less so, I'd probably put that more like 80-85% having blast 15-20% what-were-they-thinking, but they clearly learned from their mistakes with Rebirth.
>Just because you can't stomach the remake doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way.
CLEARLY A MAJORITY CONSIDERING HOW HARD IT FLOPPED
NO ONE FRICKING LIKES MEMEPILATIONS
FF7 Rebirth is one of the best games of the decade
Gaming audience does not deserve it if they dont wanna buy it
Replace "best" with "gayest moronic" and your sentence is correct
Unironically and uniliterally put it on Switch. Is there a single SE game that didn't sell a shit tonne on Switch? Even the older FF ports did best on Switch and PC
>dude just put it on the 15 year old cell phone hardware
It really is just that easy
If they wanted it to be a success? Yes. They would have spent much less and sold more.
They put it on PS5 and it looks like a fricking PS3 game anyway.
yes you dumb homosexual. 16 failed because they only released it on the fricking PS5 which is the biggest casual bait console right now. they should have done a xbox, switch, and PC release
Beat it 2 weeks ago,its a 6/10 game
square enix is so back they square soft now.
The era of third party exclusives simply makes no sense anymore. There's so many games releasing nowadays that if your game isn't on someone's preferred platform, they're probably just not going to buy it.
really it seems like this is the era of 'and on PC' where if a game is exclusive it has to have a PC launch to make up sales. console only games are a failure in the current age where even a toaster can run CS2
Beat it 10 minutes ago, 10/10 game, wouldnt be the first time that gamers let genuine kino pass them by while they consume live service slop and say gaming is dying.
You deserve the modern game industry if you dont get it, simple as.
Anyone who rates Rebirth above a 6 is flat-out not allowed to use the term "kino".
Yeah well, I am. Cant stop me. And its inarguably kino.
Simple as.
I know, and people like you are why Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again and why the series will be one day be worthless. You idiots with your shit-tier taste keep cheering as things get worse.
Okay. I'll keep getting my kino games, you can sit there like a virgin and get more mad, I guess. Lmao.
>2m sales
You won't be getting anything much longer.
Yeah bro, square will dissolve in 2 more weeks, it's jenover.
Ill look forward to your signature asspained posts in 3 years when part 3 is on the horizon. Or maybe I wont, hopefully you've killed yourself by then.
I'll be here laughing when 3 fails to hit the 1m mark. SE burns and you keep coping as your dream game, now heavily downscaled because of shit sales, burns to cinders.
Keep coping though, you are actually more entertaining than video games.
Oh I dont think you've laughed in a long time mate. You sound genuinely miserable. I will pray for you. Maybe you should try Rebirth, get some joy back in your life.
Nice projection. Now back to your shipping and coping. 2m.
Sad. Really sad.
>Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again
Rebirth is a Squaresoft game in all but branding, and is legitimately the best JRPG in the entire genre since the PS2 era.
I do not care about the opinions of some pissy baby that's been crying for the last 4 years over the changes in Remake that didn't even play Rebirth, and neither should anyone else.
Haha keep coping. 2m.
You are a tiny minority who does not matter to me, to SE or to literally anyone. Die alone with your trash game, loser.
I do not care about the opinions of some pissy baby that's been crying for the last 4 years over the changes in Remake that didn't even play Rebirth, and neither should anyone else.
Enjoy your hellworld. I'm having a blast laughing at you, I'll play good games while occasionally bumping a thread laughing at you sad c**ts.
>I'll play good games while occasionally bumping a thread laughing at you sad c**ts.
Like what?
Name 3 'good games' that you've played recently.
Genuinely curious
Hahaha, nah, you have Rebirth, right? Go play your monkey-game, I'll keep mine to myself. I wouldn't share a good game with you if this was my last post on this site.
You can't name any because the last 3 "good games" you played are probably Apex, some random hentai visual novel, and some random emulated game from 20 years ago that everyone here played years ago but youre just now playing.
Hahaha! You crack me up. Why don't you go back to playing Rebirth? Is it more fun to get laughed at online? I assume so considering how shit Rebirth is.
I already beat Rebirth, including Hard mode. I'll go back to it when it releases on PC.
You still refuse to name 3games you've played recently which just leads me to believe that you dont' actually play video games. You just shitpost on Ganker all day.
Pathetic.
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The projection. Delicious. Yeah anyway man im off to start hard mode since the game was so fun. Hopefully you get the meds you need.
>Rebirth is a Squaresoft
Rebirth is as far as possibly imaginable from a Squaresoft game. The sequence of events are moronic and never allowed time to have their impact. You finish a section that should be deep but then you're thrown into another boss, or another dungeon, or an almost TWO HOUR BOSS FIGHT at the end. It's ridiculous.
You didn't play the game
After reading his post I legitimately went on like an 8 minute thought exercise where I was trying to conceptualize how bad someone would have to be at the game to make the end sequence last 2 hours.
Sakaguchi never made an overbloated 80~120hrs game with this amount of filler and garbage.
>I know, and people like you are why Final Fantasy will never be -actually- good again
Suck a dick Black person FF being trash since 10
11 and 14 are mmoslop garbage for people who don't like FF
12 is boring invalice is boring game playing itself is boring
13 is a corridor hallway simulator with yet again gameplay that play itself
15 is an unfinished dogshit mess with no sense of adventure
16 is not even fricking FF its a westernized piece of shit with probably the most boring sidequest in jrpg history
FF7R is quite literally the first time I have fun with this series since 10 more than 20 years ago.
XI and XIV are really good despite being mmos but otherwise your points are correct.
I don't play mmo I don't want to RP with trannies
That's what's good about XIV: you can literally ignore everyone and it's functionally a single player game. I thought the same thing as you before I tried it but I have literally never once spoken to a single other player and nearly all of the content can be done with AI party members.
>16 is not even fricking FF its a westernized piece of shit
copers call it DMC
haters call it westernized
meanwhile the game is the first perfectly produced, unanimously praised FF in literally forever.
>meanwhile the game is the first perfectly produced, unanimously praised FF in literally forever.
That's Rebirth actually. And yes, it is discount DMC, and not even an RPG in any capacity. There's no party, there's no status effects, and more.
>actually
ok im going to add
>copers call it DMC
>haters call it westernized
>balding millenials call it not an rpg
Every single one of those points is true. Do you even like Final Fantasy? If so, why do you like a game that's nothing like it? Even if you look at it without a Final Fantasy lens, it's still a mediocre game.
>no party member
>Jill is the most and boring heroine in FF history b***h is just standing here doing nothing and saying nothing
>the area that you ''explore'' are boring as hell
>rpg elements are not existent
>gameplay is baby DMC so if you already played DMC (I did) the game just feel like its for toddlers
I sleep
>11 and 14 are mmoslop garbage for people who don't like FF
>14 for people who don't like FF
>14
>don't like FF
jrpg gays are officially the most moronic fanbase ever. never play games, just embarrass yourself with no effort nonsense.
Everyone that I know who play FF14 have never any other FF games. Im sure the game is full of easter egg and reference to the other games but the people playing it don't recognize any of it.
>Everyone that I know
anon you said something moronic. it was a dead giveaway you are clueless. take the L and go.
>take the L and go.
Didn't realize I was talking to some zoomer make sense since he's defending an online game
anon i play games. you don't.
Ruined too many scenes, world does not feel right, would not recommend. Combat is fun tho but could been better, imagine playing an action rpg where you can't freely jump. Should be turn based.
5/10
Not gonna change my opinion I still think this game was awesome and is easily my GOTY. The majority of people hating on the game haven't even fricking play it because like everyone is claiming in this thread nobody own a ps5.
All this is telling me is that modern gamers have garbage taste and rather play live service, gacha shit and streamers bait games full of microtransaction.
I got tricked into buying DD2 so I'm waiting for the Rebirth PC version. I am fully willing to admit that I fricked up and made the wrong decision however.
I feel the same way but somehow I end up spending 8 hours a day on Ganker posting angrily about others not liking the game enough
Same
samegays don't even try to hide it anymore
Literally me
Reading this post felt like looking into a mirror
I'm the same
Evidently you're not alone
>All this is telling me is that modern gamers have garbage taste and rather play live service, gacha shit and streamers bait games full of microtransaction.
-stop making it some stupid in between real time/turn based bullshit.
-stop milking only 7
-stop chasing trends
-stop putting it only for the fricking PS5
I just don't buy games outsourced to Indians. Simple as.
>holdo to win, the game
>pressing L1 to use the shortcut
>this is the 10/10 GOTY
HAHHAHAHAHHA
>the combat system is so diverse and full of options that you can completely break it with a couple of very specific setups
absolutely 10/10 material.
But enough about Elden Ring
>What can be done to save Final Fantasy in this dire time?
Push hack fraud Nomura in front of a train.
Get a life, Zelink/cadogay
Make Final Fantasy World, a sequel to 14. MMOs will make money but $150 million single player games are a dead end for this franchise. I expect FFVII rebirth will get to 7 million when there have been price cuts and a steam release
>I expect FFVII rebirth will get to 7 million
If you lived 1000 years you would never see this happen.
FFVII remake also took years to get there. People will buy it at $35 but not $70. FFXVI also got a big boost when it went on sale on playstation store
The shills really don't understand that the only people who would even consider buying Rebirth are people who finished Remake. How many people finished Remake?
Rebirth will keep selling for the next 7 years. Part 3 will be out in 2027 due to reduced development time and will be bundled as a trilogy. This game will be profitable just not to the extent Square would like. FF games that hit 10 million take years to get there
You don't understand what I am saying. People are only going to buy Rebirth if they finish Remake. Only about 35% of people have completed Remake, so they would likely need to sell 21 million copies of Remake to even think about Rebirth hitting 7 million. And that doesn't take into consideration people who finished remake and didn't like it. Rebirth will never hit 7 million copies.
>People are only going to buy Rebirth if they finish Remake
That's not true, people buy games all the time and add it to the back catalog. When the game goes on sale for Black Friday on the Playstation store and the new year sale it will get a significant boost. Yes 7 million lifetime is realistic, this is a PS6 day 1 bundle
>200+ replies
>no one mentions square on a 4 game win streak
play some games anons
>flop
>flop
>killed the brand
>on life support
>directors promoted
>dlcs scheduled
>sequels already on their way
bro there's schizo posting and then there's total gibberish divorced from reality
Asano was promoted after a flop. You have no idea what criteria SE uses to promote anyone, not even their janitors.
oooooh but you have an idea what is a flop. bro, take the 4 Ls. you waste your time on Gankers while everyone else is playing masterpieces.
So are you trying to imply Octopath II didn't flop?
Are you assuming every Square Enix release had the same budget and sales expectations?
>be not turn based
>be not bought
every tiem
uh oh larry melty.
turnbased + nitendo + atlus + sega won.
Is it out on PC yet?
Final fantasy should not be exclusive in 2024
Barry won
I kneel
Born for victory.
Time to rebrand. It's become known as globally as that "Reddit Fantasy" game.
Threadly reminder than Stillbirth hasn't passed FF16's launch sales yet. You can be mad at Jimbo all you want, but he did win in the end.
1/3rd of a game sold less than a complete game. ok
>Square Enix golden goose "masterpiece" vs
>DMC clone
>still sold less
Dire
It will keep selling.
3 years of Playstation sales at $39.99 = another 2 million sales
3 years of being on Steam = another 1.5 million sales
FFVII trilogy bundle = another 1.5 million sales
frick off jimbo, this is a barry board now.
Who makes these images man, fricking christ, it makes me laugh but holy shit imagine someone wasting their day with this.
Truly a mystery (it's Jimbo).
why do you insist on posting this shit in these threads time and time again
better yet
why do you even have those images saved to your computer in the first place unless youre literally the person that made them
no one else gives a frick
Why did Picasso do what he did? Does art need a reason to exist?
I already debunked you. Stop replying.
>trying this hard to deny it
Let it go Zelinkgay
kys zelinkop
>posts an image while saying they're made by someone else
Interesting tactic
I don't know who's Jimboing who anymore.
>jimbo filename
nice try jimbo but only jimbo capitalizes the "j" in Jimbo.
>only jimbo capitalizes the "j" in Jimbo.
>capitalizes the "j" in Jimbo.
>Jimbo.
jimbo pls...
that was autocorrect. kys jimbo falseflagger. your psyop won't work on me.
I've been tracking Jimbo for over four years. Not just on Ganker, but on several other websites. I know everything there is to know on him.
You. Are. Jimbo.
Nice try but everyone knows Jimbo posts always always use the letter y.
It was the zelinkgay
I just can't handle the cringe of the semi-realistic main cast emoting like anime characters amid a sea of generic asset store NPCs.
I finally got other people to post about Jimbo. This is a dream come true.
But also the threads are worse than ever now.
Did I do the right thing?
kys zelinkop. disable auto fill in the name field next time you feel like doomposting.
It's okay that it's past its peak
It's not really, it's just that it's $70 and the middle entry. This game will be selling for the next decade
What a life you lead
You don't get it, FF7R is not the cultural phenomena that FFVII was. FFVII was a revolutionary landmark game that changed the RPG genre going forward. FF7R is just a cash grab with a coat of current day paint. There's nothing special or groundbreaking about it, and the modern audience doesn't get what all the fuss is about because Square butchered it, first by breaking one game into 3 parts and packing them with filler, and secondly by ruining the story with Marvel-inspired revisionist meta nonsense and Kingdom Hearts style mystery boxes that were not in the original game becaus OMG WE GOTTA KEEP THE FANS GUESSING!
Spoiler culture has absolutely ruined entertainment and I blame Game of Thrones.
Spoiler culture goes back further than game of thrones. I think it started with shit like Lost or other mystery boxes shows. but otherwise I agree entirely.
Incorrect number btw.
>second most profitable game is the fourth worst selling entry
MMOtards are so gullible.
>why don’t people want to spend 210$ on a “remake” that’s completely different from the game they liked
Square is actively trying to kill itself I swear
>pander to west with ff16
flop
>pander to east with rebirth
flop harder
ff is finally dead
>ff is finally dead
while they promote the people that did those games and make more of those games
what do you expect, firing everyone and starting anew?
kinda like forspoken? yeah
They fired the CEO of Square and incorporated the studio. They didn't fire everyone involved, so it's pretty meaningless. They didn't even fire the co-directors.
One of the co-directors of Forspoken also worked on Crisis Core, btw.
XVI has DLC and sold 5 million on PS5, the steam release isn't out. It will keep selling for another 5 years and hit 9 million making it one of the more successful FFs. Rebirth will also keep selling for the next decade
>XVI sold 5 million on PS5
It sold 3 million
In the first week, it's been on sale at less than $40 multiple times since then
>Square Enix announced when FFXV sales went from 5 Million to 6 Million and when FF7Remake sales went from 3.5 million to 5 million to 7 million but not when FFXVI sales supposedly went from 3 million to 5 million
curious
>NOOOO
>IT SOLD 3 MILLION IN THE FIRST 72 HOURS AND 30 MINUTES
>THEY DIDNT PERSONALLY INFORM ME OF MORE SALES
no one takes you seriously
This shit coming out in like 2 days and I have zero interest in it.
Larry, your seethe is going to kill you someday.
I swear a cerrain segment of this board is infinitely more upset that this game turned out to be good than they would be had it been Suicide Squad/Skull and Bones tier trash.
Replying to myself to say I agree with what I've just said and to basically just repeat the same point again. Maybe throw in a little incomprehensible namegay drama too.
>I swear a cerrain segment
it's literally one anon.
Seeing this game underperforming make me really realize I need to move on and start building my life. A game with so much soul and charm and moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it? Yeah this shit industry need to burn and you all deserve EA, Blizzard and Ubislop trash.
That next ugly ass Star Wars game gonna sell like 10 millions but im done im gonna work on my life there is no point to be addicted to this shitty industry anymore.
>A game with so much soul
It has no soul, it just killed and cannibalized some of the soul of the original.
If this shit had any other characters from any other franchise, you wouldn't look at this shit game twice.
>It has no soul
https://twitter.com/SG__ANGUS/status/1778255582891233625
You didn't play the game so why you think your worthless subhuman opinion matter?
>Le quirky character sings quirky song
Funny, but not really soulful.
>Elena
Wow, referencing the OG. That's on the level of a Spiderman reboot movie joke.
Eat a dick doomer
>forced soul
no wonder everyone call this reddit fantasy 7
nice forced post Black person
Trying too hard to be funny. Not soul. Soul is natural, efortless.
have a nice day you will never relieve your childhood.
dont bother anon.
you're better off linking entire playthroughs so they can see all the soul from the random dialog the party has constantly during story / side missions, and so they can see all the shit that happens in the background of cutscenes that isn't the focus, like yuffie and barret doing the fake sparring thing, or barret acting scared when she thereatens him, etc etc.
they wouldn't get it when you tell them there's a quest that's like 20 minutes of this awful mini game where you lure chickens back to an old lady, which caps off with you having to run like 5 minutes out of town where you find the last chicken, only for the game to trick you into thinking you have to lure it all the way back, and then when the quest is finally over it turns out that the entire point was to kill one of the chickens to eat as a chicken sandwitch and cuts to red having an existential crisis over his choice to hunt the chickens down when all they wanted to do was live, cue the original games Game Over music.
they wouldn't get it. because they didn't play the original game, and they didnt play rebirth.
>A game with so much soul and charm and moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it?
You described the original FFVII, not Remake and Rebirth. The games that have soul and charm right now are Palworld and Helldivers 2 and those are the games people are playing, not this bullshit from Square.
>The games that have soul and charm right now are Palworld and Helldivers 2
Fricking lmao
in other words
>my personal bias says these games have soul and other games don't
>My reasons? Frick you.
My hopes for AAA gaming is dwindling with each passing day, but there's always the indies to rely on, especially if you miss the days where it felt like the industry was willing to take more chances.
Even in the Square Enix space I've had more fun with their lower budget games (NEO TWEWY, SoP) more often than their big hitters. Kinda want to check Paranormasight and that Little Goody Two Shoes game at some point as well. Don't know much about them but the Steam reviews seem to be pretty good.
As long as indies & these type of lower budget games continue to be made, I think I'd be content moving away from AAA gaming altogether honestly
>moronic nu-gamers just don't care for it?
lol bro, it's a great success on every level. these threads are circle jerking. no one takes the sales shitposter seriously.
They can't, really.
It's comprised of an MMO, a mediocre set of action games (15/16/ff7r), a novel concept for a game engine base (pixel remasters) that will likely never see the games that NEED an adaptation (mystic quest, dimensions 1) get ported over.
It's just in a weird state and it seems like they hate what made the series popular to begin with. I know JRPG isn't a popular genre anymore but clearly the fact 15 tanked so hard and was received so poorly for just being a generic action game must have shown them something- but apparently not given 16 is just more of the same, but somehow worse because it's broken to shit with 0 balancing.
I think splitting out to new ideas like World of Final Fantasy is the way for the series. WoFF was very easy but incredibly novel and I don't think I met a single person who hated the game aspect of it (The cringe story and writing aside of course), everyone just hated that it was so easy and exploitable.
>dimensions 1
absoltely based fellow dimensions chad
Why did every FF thread die at the same time? Where did everybody go?
The shitty mmo game made by yoshipiss
The FFcult discord is discussing new strategies against the new boogeymen
Shilling contracts ran out.
I think the biggest thing that dissuaded me from buying FF7 Remake, maybe even moreso than the actual fanfic bullshit in the game, was the fans gatekeeping anyone who had a problem with it. If you said "Hey, I hate this shit, Square should fix it" you would be met with a dozen people saying "iF yOU dON't LiKe tHe gAmE jUsT pLAy tHe oRiGinAL." The audacity of these asswipes to act like Remake was perfect and couldn't have been any other way was enough to make me say "you know what? Frick you, you can have it. I want nothing to do with this game and Square is not getting a dime from me." And you know what else? I did go back and play the original and it was wonderful, which makes me want to play this abomination of a remake even less.
>the biggest reason i won't play rebirth is because remake fans bullied me
christ you have awfully thin skin for someone that posts on Ganker
No, that's why I never caved in and warmed up to it. The community around Remake is a bunch of moronic Kingdom Hearts kiddos and that means Square is never going to learn their lesson or course correct, and I was proven right because Rebirth absolutely butchered Aerith's death to a comedic degree. It feels good to be right even though I would have rather had the game that Square tricked me into thinking they were making, until the leaks came out. And thank god for those leaks, I can't imagine how pissed I would have been if I actually bought that pile of shit.
Larry got caught samegayging to keep threads alive a few days ago when he got IP banned. He probably got banned again.
They're too busy shilling fallout now.
It's literally going to sell 6million by August.
I wish had the motivation to screenshot all the doomposters but it's so predictable that I'm not sure it's even worth it.
Just like 16 right?
Sadly FF16 doesn't have the legs to creep past 3mil. It got bad word of mouth almost instantly. But Rebirth has immense goodwill. Everyone leaking the Ultimania guide is a huge sign the fanbase will keep this game relevant all the way to the PC release. And if it gets released on Steam, this game might get a second-wind all the way to December 2024. It kinda depends where Square takes this.
>But Rebirth has immense goodwill
>Everyone leaking the Ultimania
>Everyone
My friend you really, REALLY have to stop thinking that the 40 diehard FF7 fans you follow on twitter are "everyone"
Every game with legs has a dedicated group of fans that provides the momentum for downstream enthusiasm. I'm just speaking scientifically here.
goodwill means nothing if Square's executive leadership can't present a convincing Fiscal Year Report by early next year. And executives will always blame the employees, and Nomura is already looking haggered. I have a feeling that Part 3 will be severely compromised, like Mass Effect 3.
>But Rebirth has immense goodwill.
lmao you moron. The reason the game is selling so badly because Remake pissed off half the fans and failed to convince the new audience to stick around because they only got the first few hours of a 30 hour PS1 game and it did not hook them. Only 30% of people who bought Remake on console even got the completion trophy.
The remake compilation was dead as soon as Square decided to break it into 3 episodes, and it was double dead as soon as they decided to subvert expectations with the story. Square is reaping the consequences of their actions while the fanboys who said "go play the original if you don't like it" are coping and seething. What you guys did to this game was like Phil Spencer telling people to stick with Xbox 360 if they have problems with the Xbox One.
Rebirth will sell half as many copies as Remake, maybe less. It will get passed over during award season and it will be quickly discounted and forgotten. Then we get to do this all over again when they make Final Fantasy VII Retry or whatever they call it and they have to hammer it out with half the budget of Rebirth.
>lmao you moron. The reason the game is selling so badly because Remake pissed off half the fans
moronic take and based completely on nothing. The better explanation is that Remake simply overachieved due to very unique factors (COVID era and PS4 bigger base). In the grand scheme of things, Square will likely sell less Rebirth copies but it won't be due to fan enthusiasm. But it might also be true that Square frontloading its sales with the exclusivity deal could make this an incredibly successful ordeal when it's all said and done.
All of this is possible is because FF7 Rebirth is critically acclaimed.
They lost my sale because of the fanfiction bullshit and I know I'm not alone. Keep telling yourself that this was not a factor though and that everyone adored FF7 Remake except for the mean poopie head chuds.
This
am i JimbO?
Yes. But so am I. Everyone ITT is.
>Tfw tendies cant keep doomposting these games
Lmao
Man why are normalgays so easy to please?
tendies already won. you have to have a nice day now, eric.
You need to do something with your life
Are tendies this obsessed with ff because they fear to compare their games sales to Rockstar and games like Helldivers 2?
I remember when someone compared those sales and tendies were
>P-please dont compare them they are different games!
>Helldivers 2
Why would anyone be afraid of palworld 2.0?
BlueyCHADS won
Nomura lost
FF lost
Fgays worrying about DD2 and Stellar Blade when they weren't even ready for Bluey kek
>tendies think people are rivals
FFbro here and waiting for Stellar Blade
>bluey
Dunno don't care
>Fgays worrying about DD2 and Stellar Blade
Sorry consolewargay, but there is no rivalry here.
Stellar Blade's director is a nomura fan.
Gooners united together
Nomura censors Tifa tho
Based as hell. Please let the Reynatis head meet with him too.
It'd be a severe blow to you-know-who after he insisted the game is styled after FFXV and not Versus XIII if he meets with Nomura over Tabata.
Based game enjoyers
>Replying to yourself
You are too old for console wars
This will never work, nintroon
India should be banned
They'll probably force stellar blade vs elden ring next
Just look at this mental illness
What makes tendies this bitter and autistic? Like, I'm playing a lot of those games and I recognize the same shitposting
You triggered the cultist.
It seems my superiority is causing controversy once again.
This year has been awful for them, too many games people enjoy
also ps5 turnbased won... again...
I'm so happy UO is doing do well. They deserve it.
>doing well
>not even 1m sales
Go back to your troony general, samegay.
>we're all based game enjoyer bros until we have more sales than you
I liked Rebirth too you tribalist moron.
larry is just cranky cus all publicly available metrics say that rebirth was a collosal flop.
I don't care to be involved in this schizophrenic namegay drama.
Same. Game is such a breath of fresh air from all the rehashes and what not of late.
>glorified autobattler for iOS/android
>"Game is such a breath of fresh air "
>ogre battle from snes/n64 era are glorofied autobattlers for iOS/android
UO sucks, but what are you 12?
>embarrassed by the flop the the larry lashes out at tendies
kek
For supposed AAA titles, why are Remake and Rebirth so fricking ugly? Say what you will about TLOU, GOW, or Spiderman games but they look fantastic if nothing else.
Because the screenshots you see are always from people playing on performance mode where it upscales 720p, and not the graphics mode.
Rebirth at least, Remake looked like a late stage PS3 game outside of the main 20 or so character models and a couple of specific locations like aeriths house area or shinra building.
Ff was always for normies and most of those are old and married
It's like expecting mgs3 remake to sold twice as mgs3
>are old and married
No one is getting married. Marriage rate in the US is under 25% even in the states with the highest rates.
You are talking about most millennials who got lucky to have a normal life in time
Read any youtube trailer and is full of 38 years old gays saying they now are married and with kids
>ignore the dozens of studies over the last decade that try to explain why marriage rates are plummeting
>the comments on youtube videos have some people saying they're married!
lol
lmao even
That's completly anedoctal evidence. Final Fantasy is one of the franchises with the oldest following. Most people who play Final Fantasy are in their 30s or 40s, they aren't stopping because of family and kids.
If people drop FF, it's because they don't like FF anymore.
Or because the games suck dick now?
Well, yeah, I think that's included in "they don't like FF anymore". They don't like the new games is what I meant.
Final Fantasy used to be cool. It is now deeply uncool. You can't fix it. The harder you try to make it cool the deeper it sinks into uncoolness.
Once the average gamer discovers the latest 3 hour sleepezi theory video they will run out and buy Rebirth. We're talking millions of sales once normies take notice of the dedication of the real fans
Make the next setting a cowboy samurai world.
>remake a game so badly that only people who have played the original can get what's going on
>it makes okay sales
>make a part 2, where people not only have to have played the original, but the first part
>sales halve
wow what a shocker. Can't wait for part 3 to make half those sales again..
>only people who have played the original can get what's going on
The people that didn't play the original have no context over why Remake might be confusing.
They just think it's all part of the story and are along for the ride.
They know enough, though. They know the basics, like "Aerith dies". Then they get THIS shit.
They couldn't even get the genre right. It's just a minigame-fest.
Why do you spend so much of your time arguing disingenuously on Ganker for a game that you clearly did not enjoy or do not like or have no interest in?
I'll never understand why anyone would go online and say anything negative about anything
>I'll never understand why anyone would go on Ganker and say anything positive about anything
That was the correct response. But since you are disingenuity...
>arguing disingenuously
what makes you think I'm being disingenuous? Examples?
>for a game that you clearly did not enjoy or do not like or have no interest in?
I like FFVII. I liked squaresoft/sqex/whatever. I think FFXIV is good. I would like the company to do well, and make good games again?
what makes you such a little b***h, trying to overanalyse a guy who's made like 3 posts on a public, anonymous cabbage-growing board?
>what makes you think I'm being disingenuous? Examples?
You're presuming that everyone that played Remake that didn't play the OG was confused and you're presuming that everyone that played Rebirth is aware of Aerith dying. Both of which are demonstratbaly false, and disingenuous as frick
look at this fricking tool.
>HAVE YOU MET EVERY BLACK PERSON?!
Are you a woman?
Anon it's not the early 00s anymore. It's not even the early 10s anymore.
Aeris dying in the original game was a huge spoiler 20 years ago and something that was talked about a lot that a lot of people even if they didn't play JRPGs knew about, especially if they enjoyed talking about video games.
But it's 2024. Her death isn't talked about anymore, it's not a big massive spoiler that is super well known among the general gaming public, because the general gaming public wasn't alive during the time when it was heavily talked about.
I know you don't want to, becuase I don't blame you, but you can go to just about any content creator that's playing Remake/Rebirth as their first FF game - and trust me there's a ton of them - and they have absolutely zero idea that Aerith dies and have zero context over the whispers not being in the first part and are confused as frick as to whats going on with zack because they have no idea who the frick zack is other than what they've seen in the Remake/Rebirth games.
It is fascinating to watch these people experience the same story that people like you or I who played the original (presumably, I don't know you probably never played the OG and just lke to shitpost) 25 years ago. They have a completely different perspective on it.
presumption isn't disingenous if you literally can't prove it either way. Come on, now.
>You're presuming that everyone that played Remake that didn't play the OG was confused
Because the game is confusing in itself. It throws elements around that never get resolved within the story of the game. That makes the story confusing.
For example, If you never played CC, you have no idea what the frick Hojo is talking about when he mentions the two different SOLDIER Projects. The game never bothers explaining it (and we're 2/3s of the story through), and moves on assuming you've played CC.
It's a fair assumption to make that you either play OG and spinoffs or Remake is confusing.
the only reason you concern yourself with that line at all is because you've played Crisis Core. All it is a minor reference to Genesis for the two people who actually liked him and anyone who didn't play Crisis Core won't even concern themselves with that line. You're just looking for things to get mad at
but yes, I agree in general that it's absolutely a necessity to play the original game before the Remake series, because its entire narrative and thematic point is that it is in conversation with the original game and assumes the player is familiar with it.
>the only reason you concern yourself with that line at all is because you've played Crisis Core.
No, I concern myself with that line because in fiction, if an element is introduced, it will be relevant, so I pay attention. But a lot of elements are not even introduced, they are tossed at you and assume you know, when plenty of people experiencing it have no fricking idea as
said.
The entire deal with Zack in Remake/Rebirth is exclusively for people who played OG/CC. No context is given whatsoever on these remake games on why this person is showing up and why the story follows him or why he's carrying Cloud. They assume you know.
Okay, yes, the remake is for people who played the original and isn't concerned with it making sense to normies just playing it for streams, are you defending those people now? Why aren't you telling them to just go play the original?
>Why aren't you telling them to just go play the original?
What that has to do with anything? The chain was about assuming people didn't know about the OG playing the Remake and being confused, and you sperging out about that assumption. But it's a reasonable assumption based on the many elements the Remakes throw at the player without explanation or context.
I'm genuinely watching 3 different youtubers that never played OG or CC play through Rebirth and the only confusing part about all the Zack stuff for them is why he met a version of Red and has a version of Cloud and Aerith in comas.
They just think Zack is another part of the story, a new character introduced like Yuffie or Cait Sith. As I said time and time again, they dont' have the context about what makes Zacks part in this other than some kind of timeline sheningnagns. They don't understand the signficance of Zack or him surviving his death, etc, so none of it is confusing for them.
You are looking at this game under a completely different perspective as them, and you seem to be unable to put your head into their perspective.
>It's a fair assumption to make that you either play OG and spinoffs or Remake is confusing.
And I'm telling you that it's not. You're looking at the story of Remake under the guise of someone that is familar with the original story and therefore has the context of what is going on, and that is why it is confusing.
When you lack all context of the original or Crisis Core, you think things like Barret dying and being revived by the Whispers was part of the original plot. Those players don't have the added layer of trying to figure out what the frick is going on on the meta narrative level that players of the originals have.
You pick up on hearing that there's two different SOLDIER programs and go "oh neat that's a nod to Crisis Core when all of that is explained!". They hear two different SOLDIER programs and go "oh neat, there's two differnet SOLDIER programs, wonder what that's all about" and then move on because it's a minor detail that doesn't amount to much at the current point in the story.
>what makes you think I'm being disingenuous?
>Examples?
>They couldn't even get the genre right.
>It's just a minigame-fest.
none of that is wrong. The amount of mini-games are so absurdly high that it winds up being most of the game.
>I think FFXIV is good.
stopped reading here
what's wrong with FFXIV now? It's literally keeping square enix afloat.
You think that SOMEONE at square would realise that FF went down the shitter when they dropped turn-based battles in favour of AI garbage?
Or that octopath, bravely, etc have done really well because they have classic turn-based battle systems..
>Or that octopath, bravely, etc have done really well
They didn't, both brands are dead in the water currently
>because they have classic turn-based battle systems..
Nobody bought either of those for the mediocre turn battle systems, both were sold on the hype for the faux retro appeal, both crashed and burned past the first game because even the suckers who got drawn in didn't really care about what the games had to offer, and they were in fact pretty mediocre on the gameplay part as well.
>source: literally your anus
BD2 shipped around a million copies so far according to Squenix' official numbers, BD1 sold/shipped three times that, Bravely Second also reportedly sold worse than BD2.
OT was the same, OT1 sold around 3 million copies and OT2 crashed to less than half of those numbers.
Where are all the several millions FF fans that want turn based combat back?
Because they're factually not buying the turn based games they supposedly want so desperately.
As much as I love turn based combat, I hated how OT1 handled it's combat/job system, and it's story, and when I heard OT2 was more of the same it killed any intention I had on buying it.
>1 million copies
>3 million copies
this is somehow not great numbers for a 3DS game and a AA basically-indie game? Neither of those had anywhere near the insane marketing that rebirth got.
They're pretty good sales numbers for a budget series, if they didn't show how again, those are games made to suck in people with fake nostalgia and those people will hardly bother with a long running franchise, if the sales' crashes happened just one time it would be one thing, but you're not convincing suits that you want turn based combat back for their big budget AAA games where every single turn based series you push crashes and burns.
FF is supposed to sell 7-8 millions minimum, not a paltry 2 million average, and turn based has nothing to do with it since again, people do not buy turn based games for the sake of turn based combat, SaGa would be selling gorillions if that were true since it's the only IP Square had that actually has effort put into it and yet that series is also hovering in the 800K range average per game.
FF is dying because it has no clear identity and offers nothing unique in the market, it always was like that but back then the market was smaller, most JP devs couldn't compete, especially overseas, nowadays it's different.
Young people noticed that too since they didn't grow in the limited market of the previous generation where there was hardly any choice and FF dominated due to enormous budgets and bloated advertisement campaigns.
I guarantee you that even if FF goes back to non ATB turn based it will still sell the same numbers because people don't care and never cared about that, no matter how much you try to gaslight yourself with [enter numbered entry here] killing the series, it's time for you to accept that the franchise was always bad and only temporarily coasted on a very fortuitous market state that is simply not there anymore, and no amount of hourly cope generals like this one will change this.
I mean you're not wrong. But the AA games and lower-budget turn-based games are costing far less to make, so it's more excusable when they make more modest returns.
Pointless though, because Nomura is going to push FF down the toilet as fast as he can.
Sure, but let's say they somehow roll back FF to low budget, what would the fans think? Certainly nothing good given how they were already shitposting about 16 looking worse than 15.
FF is in a catch 22 dilemma that was already a thing since the SNES games and only now is becoming more apparent, it's a series that sold on high value spectacle and directing rather than strong gameplay or some distinctive trait that you couldn't find anywhere else, it's what Sakaguchi chose to do since FF4, it's the reason he hired people like Kitase and Nojima in the first place and eventually entrusted the franchise to Kitase, this is an uncomfortable truth to some but it's the truth nonetheless.
Sakaguchi thought, naively, that Square would always be at the forefront of visuals and presentation, he bet everything on that, he created entire divisions such as the Hawaii studio entirely to push that vision, he was ultimately very, very wrong and the franchise is now struggling with competitors that not only are much better at pushing graphics and direction, but are capable of writing much better stories, create franchises with a clear direction beyond having good visuals and overall connect with people more than FF ever did.
What happens to such a franchise when it can't stand the test of time like others did and still do?
Dragon Quest is still selling strong, SMT as a whole is only growing more and more with each entry, be it mainline or spinoffs like Persona, Re:Fantasy seems to be part of that trend too, even other internal SE IPs have been seeing a resurgence with both Mana and SaGa coming back into the mainstream while FF sells less and less with each entry despite having 50 times the budgets of those side franchises.
Truth is the franchise is going down no matter what, high budget is too costly to make good profit but if you go low budget you also completely lose your credibility as a company, there's simply no escape no matter how you look at it.
I get what you're saying. They have to progress somehow, and they're stuck in a shitty situation where if they go backward they're fricked and if they go forward they're fricked.
I thought they could have done very well on mobile markets, but they got greedy and slapped up the microtransactions so high on their games that they lost all credibility.
I would hope that XVI does well on PC, but that's really just wishful thinking at this point. I don't know what they can do to reverse their fortunes now that the damage has been done.
The ugliest modern Final Fantasy game is doing the best for what it's worth.
FF7 OG
>A game for adults played by children
FF7 Weebmake
>A game for children played by adults
You never either games.
T. Compilation gay
I liked Rebirth a lot and it's a shame that it's bearing the consequences for all of the dogshit games Square has released for the past 15 years
unironically do a ff16 style game and release it multiplatform. ff16 got initial hype and buzz because it was a fun game, but the minute people realized it was PS5 exclusive it flopped hard. the failure of the remake series also shows that you cannot do episodic shit for a game that 20 years ago release full. also they need to at least have a FF game that is just classic turn based style, not as a main line game as that is for casuals
these new games suck because they don't have Hironobu Sakaguchi to tell them no any more, and so everything has turned into some homosexual kingdom hearts garbage. People don't want that, but these egomaniacs don't care
>because they don't have Hironobu Sakaguchi to tell them no any more
Someone should have said no to him.
>championing CGI tech in movies
>and the idea of "digital actresses"
literally ahead of his time
>Surfer
>Father
>Visionary
Meanwhile, Nomura
>Goth
>Loner
>"Bissexual"
isn't that other guy still there, too? The one who made an entire game based on the girl from XIII coming out of the game to be his wife, and who has a weird armpit fetish?
Shame they never got rid of these weirdoes
>The one who made an entire game based on the girl from XIII coming out of the game to be his wife, and who has a weird armpit fetish?
Never heard of this. QRD?
What I know is that Nojima (also wrote FFVIIR) has an audiobook full of Tidus and Yuna NTR.
Motomo Toriyama. Like most Japanese videogame writers, he's a weird, obssessive freak who writes his fetishes into games and jerks himself off over people playing them. Look him up.
>What I know is that Nojima (also wrote FFVIIR) has an audiobook full of Tidus and Yuna NTR.
oh god, yeah. That audio drama. That was just fricking terrible.
awfully funny how all the cado shopping stopped in ff threads while totk threads are up. zelinkgays need to be purged