What can they do to make people interested again?
Bring back borrowed power and orcs?
What can they do to make people interested again? Bring back borrowed power and orcs?
What can they do to make people interested again?
Bring back borrowed power and orcs?
Don't Care, still not playing troony fantasy 14
You know that you have the option of playing neither and laugh from a safe distance, right?
You're not a mazed wowrat trying to justify his addiction, right?
Nothing, really. This game (and the entire IP actually) is done.
This. Blizzard is fricking DEAD. Most if not all of the original developers of WoW, but especially WC1-3 have left. Forget the Warcraft team - The FOUNDERS of the company itself have all left. And even those people were not at their best the last decade or so, whether they were high on their own egos or because Activision was actually making the decisions.
Blizzard/WoW has three phases to me in its existence:
Passion and talent phase (WC1 to Pre-ATV Buyout)
Corporate buyout, ego phase (Activision buyout and Metzen's mistakes phase)
Controversy, apathy, greed and "woke" marxism phase (Kotick and the board are entirely running the company's overall game design, we are here)
ah, yes.. the woke marxism of EXTREME CAPITALISM, you fricking moron. frick off.
you're too dumb for a fricking wow thread congratulations, idiot.
what the frick do you think cultural marxism has to do with economics
There's two minimum prerequisites:
1) The game actually has to be good
2) Relaunch/FRESH: The hundred thousand or so whales might be upset about losing their characters, but for "most people" the feeling of never being able to catch up, etc, is a major problem; relaunch is the only way to do away with some of the baggage the game has (for example, you technically could but realistically can't make forced race change for characters of moronic meme races that the game would be better off without); people like to play when their friends are playing and mere expansion/patch (even if it in itself was good!) isn't strong enough Schelling point to coordinate players coming back to the game
The first point is doing a lot of work there.
>relaunch
every moron who says this just needs to look at OW2 to see how well thatd go
b***h homie.
There is a reason why the population, after the initial growth phase finished during Wrath anyway, follows the following pattern: (diminishing) peaks during expansion launches and then the population just kinda dwindles until the next expansion, and that's despite certain expansions being better than their predecessors, or final patch being better than launch (often times in form of "fixing" moronic borrowed power mechanics): expansion launch is the only point around which players can realistically coordinate coming back to the game, and basically no one returns to the game even temporarily for any other reason. But the game is too far gone that a launch of even a good expansion isn't strong enough signal to rally the players: you need a stronger one, and that is FRESH.
But crucially, THE GAME ALSO HAS TO BE GOOD, so as to not just draw players in but KEEP them playing. I understand Overwatch 2 isn't substantially different from the original, I've even heard it's actually worse in some respects. There have been various private servers for instance that got the usual several thousand population at launch, but then people quickly realized it's basically open source emulation, and the server lost 90% of population in weeks. Ditto for Classic that had the hype to draw in millions of players (probably more than neo-WoW expansions do), but vast majority of players quit after a month or two.
"Levels-after-levels" sort of mechanics, where every character is max level "by default" and the meaningful character-customization happens with expansion-specific mechanics. In Legion you had Artifact power which you lose the moment Battle for Azeroth launched, which had Azerite powers that become defunct in Shadowlands, etc.
My guild has talked about it before. Most of them have been playing since WotLK, and the rest started between there and BFA. Out of the 30-some members, a bit less than a third said they'd be willing to try WoW2. That's anecdotal. Maybe they'd change their mind if it was sufficiently interesting. Maybe there's more people willing to come back or give a first try to WoW2 than you'd lose from sunsetting the original. What's guaranteed is that it's asking a fanbase that every doomposter swears is disenchanted to trust a new Blizzard product and anteing up the most loyal setions of the existing fanbase to do so. That's foolish and suicidal.
if they are still playing wow right now they will 100% try wow2
blizzard doesn't want try they want loyal customers
i have friends who semi-regularly play but they only play classic and hate retail
if you take away classic they're just gonna stop and play league or csgo
Maybe, but the original question was framed such that it would ba bout revival of "the glory days" (or at least Legion era, or keeping Classic launch population numbers for longer than a month), and that's definitely not gonna happen just by pandering to Stockholm syndrome whales.
Wait. Normies buy games in genre waves. Being one of two MMOs that have the inertia to stick around regardless of quality, they simply have to wait for the next time a major influencer has an "I'm gonna play MMOs" phase and they have a 50/50 shot of getting the bump for 4 months.
it’s the companies who pay the influencers to have “phase”, not the other way around
fire literally everyone working at blizzard and delete all lore and content past vanilla.
hand the game to basement dwelling neckbeard comic book guy-esque losers to create the lore and game.
make ogres playable.
Make Vanilla+.
>What can they do to make people interested again?
Dragonflight failed at creating hype.
depends. classic+ or new expansion?
all classic+ has to do is go the alternative timeline route and be a new expansion starting after Vanilla
even an expansion after WOTLK would be fine too, going the alternative timeline where the Cataclysm never happens / is stopped.
Alternative timelines being canonical for the classic servers would be cool because you could add meta stuff / collab events
Dragonflight btw is unsalvagable for many reasons. the shit ui, the boring burst-oriented gameplay, the shitty story. DF and retail have no future and they will come to terms with that eventually. No wonder they are rehiring metzen, it's a very clear show classic+ expansion is coming.
FREE 2 PLAY.
put it on gamepass
>Blizz devs literally begging Ganker for ideas.
Hire me. I will fricking fix everything.
Slowly reduce the number of raids and make M+ into an obsolete minigame for achievements and pets.
Make new persistent dungeons with flex scaling and dynamic content with optional hardmodes and hidden treasure chests designed so that you and 4-10 of your bros can go explore a dungeon, not speedrun an autism hallways for gacha boxes.
i was about to call you a gayit
but it turned out you mah homie.
>bring back BRD
frick yes.
the hell is borrowed power?
>allow Dragonborn to wear anything they want in dragon form
That's it. That's all they have to do for me to come back. Fricking buying that expansion was a fricking monkey paw and I ditched it not long after. Visage are also fricking shit as they forces you to be a racist shitlord who only wants to be human/blood elf
>What can they do to make people interested again?
The only possibility of me returning to this slop after having ditched it pre-BfA would involve Blizz going
>Okay, this whole WoW thing is a mess!
>Let's throw out entire continuity and start from scratch, lore, worldbuilding, story and all!
Any 'fix' short of such restart is basically putting makeup on a bloated, rotting corpse.
Pristine servers are a big one. So no lfd, no heirlooms, no cross server, none of that shit. Do that, and launch fresh. After you do that, you need to really make an expansion that makes people care. Like a legion. So basically what that dude said above in the thread about launching fresh in combination with the game being good. But you really need to go way beyond just that.
troonys and greedy corporate executives murdered the entire IP. Its over.
and thank god its finally being put out of its misery.
Heard Metzen is back in Blizzard. This will not help them at all. I also don't think the Microsoft buyout will help them too.
After all these years and all the bullshit that happened I see no way in hell for them to get back and make it all batter. Even if the rumors are true and they are making StarCraft III and WarCraft IV. Because that would've required SCIII to retcon SCII while WCIV would require to cut off itself from WoW. Ain't gonna happen and WoW ruined its own setting irrevocably. Same with StarCraft with the 2nd game, Diablo after D2LoD and going into D3 onwards...even OW ruined itself with needless bullshit and then completely annihilated itself with Blizzard essentially removing the original, changing the meta and lying about stuff that was supposed to appear in but didn't in the final version (hence why it's the lowest-rated game on Steam...or was until a title whose name I will never mention demoted it to being the 2nd lowest-rated game on Steam).
Revert to Wrath progression system
They have to residenged entire end-game progression and bring back leveling as core aspect of the game
End game progression is boring, predictable and exactly the same every expansion.
>end-game progression
Wew, what's the point of redesigning end-game progression if there is nothing of interest for potential NEW players? You know, the ones who pick up the game without thinking "oh yeah, this is what I'll be looking forward to after putting in hundreds of hours of gametime and clearing out all the readily available content!".
Thats the leveling part. For a lot of people, leveling is the best part of new expansion but its so fricking quick and shallow.
End-game progression HAS to be something else than dungeons -> mythic + -> raids. Game needs end game questlines, prebis hunting, good gear from dungeons and recipe hunting + raid level gear from crafting
They're not going to change it when they have classic WoW and now maybe classic plus to fill that need.
You know a subscription gives you both of those games right?
Retail is beyond saving, it's a lame world that I no longer want to imagine myself in
Nothing, really. WoW to me is basically just a bunch of systems that have maybe a months worth of playtime before I don't want to play anymore. None of my friends play anymore and I'm not motivated to establish new friend and social circles in the game's current community. Without the social aspect, all I'm left with is an unsatisfying gameplay loop.
I've got so many games on my backlog since I basically monogamed WoW for so long, I just have no interest in going back.
>Legendaries
There should only be 1 Legendary for each Class
It should get stats upgraded each patch to match BiS + 1 or some shit so they are always good. It should be hard as frick to get though relying on shit tons of RNG and time gating like the WOTLK legendaries.
Spec not class that is.
No. You will play resto and you will like it. b***h.
I'll play Hunter or Warrior not overly interested beyond those two, Shadowmourne is nice but so is Raggy's hand
pretend everything after vanilla never happened and start an alternate timeline, leaving level cap at 60
more or less this. every expansion pack was a mistake and casualized the game
last time the game was great was vanilla
last time the game was was good was tbc
last time the game was playable was ulduar patch
stop writing for woketards and children. the story and characters are laughably awful.
Delete Dungeon Finder/Raid Finder, whatever the frick they're calling it.
>in-game vitality based on player-lead community efforts
>give everyone a way to bypass that
wtf were they thinking?
I honestly do not see them creating an MMO anymore. I'm a nostalgiagay and I know that even with a fresh start from vanilla or WC3, I won't bother playing WoW anymore. The time of close-knit communities is gone and I blame the social climate we live in today. The reason I stopped in the first place was because everyone else was getting out by the end of WotLK.
They are best of making a WRPG in the WC3/Vanilla timeline, expanding the continents with DLC. Doing a MMO or gacha/lootbox fighter is not going to be worth the investment. Regulations and the lack of a chinese market would kill it before making a profit. There is too much bad blood to fix the latter.
And anyone that thinks that removing the woke shit is going to fix it is mistaken. People who quit, quit because the game is shit. People who dislike the woke stuff won't even play.
every single complaint about every game stems from the moment-to-moment gameplay being bad
just make classes something more than 3 button generator/spender rotations and people will put up with anything
something as simple as putting dps cooldowns on the GCD can ruin the game singlehandedly
Accept that the 40,000 hours of your life you wasted on this slop are gone and move on.
Close the fricking game.
Create a new one using the warcraft IP
Its unreal that people are still playing and paying for this game, doing the same things over and over again, waiting for worse and worse paid expansions that mean nothing.
You people are all inferiors and deserve only misery and sludge to eat
The problem with that is the Warcraft IP is stagnant and has no real room for growth. Why would you fund a new game in a dead IP, rather than just trying to make something new?
remove bots
permaban all gdkp accounts
remove 'shards'
you know, make it a mmo run by its population.
a non meme answer for retail would be to actually add good content outside of m+ and raid, and pvp. Bear in mind, any iteration of WoW shits on FF14 entirely and completely without any effort.
The new zones added shouldn't just be used for a short while then become obsolete. A good horizontal progression system would be a catalyst for zones to be used more.
This is kind of player problem though, because WoW players don't like to do any content that isn't directly upgrading their character's ilvl - so devs don't bother, and alot of new players tune out of the game as a result. New players probably weren't expecting WoW to be so small in actuality and only consist of 3 modes of play while mostly sitting in town.
For classic, they can only do so much with dated gameplay and nostalgia. They need to do what they can to force an authentic leveling experience rather than keep in exploits like mage power leveling and mob tagging that just allows every player to min-max and skip the entire point of classic.
go back to the past when the real creators of the game were still making it
4 million+ views in 1 day
kneel morons
KNEEL
did ion step down?
>4M views
>only 17k likes
Lots of people saw it, very few people cared. Way to prove OP's point.
COPE troony b***h
NOT EVEN AAA SLOP TODAY GETS THIS KIND OF ENGAGEMENT
I remember the Shadow of the Erdtree announcement had over 100k likes within the hour, and it dropped in the middle of the night.
bring back Legion class design without a single change.
>reduce my three button rotation to two
frick off
play gw2 if you want complicated rotations.
all I know it’s marksman Hunter with sidewinders are the most fun I ever had in WoW since vanilla
MoP was probably peak class design for the most amount of classes/specs
What? Legion had terrible class design, MoP is probably the expansion with the overall best class design, every class felt fun and strong, despite Warlocks being gods, it was still the best class design the games ever had.
>Locks had a 4fun tank spec
>They randomly took it out because less content...good?
microsoft rips the warcraft IP away from blizzard and gives it to another developer, the entire company is rotten
wow: inquisition
you play as white male paladin from scarlet crusade and on a mission to kill all furries and troons which infected the setting.
orc which doesnt want to fight? dead on a pike
some sort of furgay shit? burned alive
peaceful undead? trampled
Black person humans? sent to pick up cotton in former Black person orc slave camps
pipe down sissy
furgay fears retchad
Man, it's really insane how the tier 2 class sets were so perfect. Every set had an interesting look to it, especially the warlock, shaman, mage and paladin sets.
Shut it down and make WoW2.
>WoW 2
WoW with none of the sovl and a worse dev team.
dude at least current wow has the corse without the soul
wow 2 with the new team would be a furry trans game
>WoW 2
Thats what Cata and Beyond was/is and it got it's foot in the door to change the original meta with Wrath of the Casuals
Do you understand what you're asking for? Look at Warcraft Reforged and consider the results of your proposition.
Anything is better than keeping this old bloated turd alive, a fresh start with new gameplay and lore would be great no matter what.
No it wouldn't. It wouldn't at all. You clearly do not understand the people who have control of the IP if you think it would end in anything but unmitigated disaster and ruin.
A disaster would still be better than what we have now.
How? Do you want even more shit smeared on the carcass of the Warcraft IP before you're satisfied?
Nothing, it had a great run but it’s time to pack it in.
It’s like that aging musician whose still touring.. but at Indian casinos.
Open source the server/client and just move on.
Any good true vanilla servers left? idc about bots or gold selling my friends and I just want a comfy home.
Did HC/classic kill this? I tried Ascension it was watered down normy easy shit.
>Make it F2P
>Add shittons of casual content
>Make gameplay more engaging than just pushing 3 buttons for 10 minutes while addons blow sirens and flashing lights at you
it's comming to goypass
yup
Nothing.
They trashed the lore and the only people still playing are fricking trannies and over sensitive homosexuals.
>Redact Warlords of Draenor and all lore after that
>Make Warcraft 4
>Make WoW 2 based on the shared universes of Warcraft, Diablo, and Starcraft with new class options, factions, and lore from each
>1.
good
>2.
good
>3.
holy frick what, are you moronic?
>morons begging for Wc4
And what in the past 13 years of Activision bullshit makes you think this would happen or even be good?
fricking blizzgaymorons.
Go back in time and fire everyone the moment they decide it would be a good idea to kill a faction leader, ruin their plotline, or destroy an important city.
They literally ran out of faction leaders to ruin. The fricking blood elf guy is the only one who is better than where they started.
This is why Warcraft is a dead franchise, they've raped the lore and characters into the ground, leaving the setting with no interesting places to explore and no characters left that people care about. The few they have left are emasculated weaklings who bow to the girlbosses that run every faction and race, for fricks sake the Horde doesn't even have a Warchief anymore and Thrall got replaced as the spiritual leader of the Orcs by his wife.
Do you think wow 2 will ever be a thing or will they milk this ship until they finally crash and burn?
itll go f2p very soon which will revitalize the playerbase, but if they'll stay on the current course it will be short-lived. they'll skeleton crew milk it for a few and then unapologetically kill it
The games already overrun with Spanish speaking South Americans, when it goes F2P they will become the vast majority of the playerbase, which will kill the game in NA just like it always does when that happens to a game.
Here's what they need to do:
1. Add the dungeon finder back in, but introduce a cool down timer on it...like max use once or twice a day, and if you want to do beyond that, you need to go to the actual dungeon and form a party. Having no dungeon finder worked back in the day because there were no wikis and people were relatively social, but unfortunately nowadays due to censorship and the political climate, people don't talk anymore
2. Add pro social features back into the game. Social energy is why we do anything or are motivated to do anything at all in life. Think about money for example...money only has value because we all collectively agree that it does, without us all in agreement, even the words we use and money we use to buy things has no value or inherent meaning. Think about why we want to excel or get good at something...it's usually to compete with other people. We are social creatures and they need to desperately stop catering to whining homosexuals that want everything easy and to play an MMORPG solo...if you want to do that, go play a single player game
3. They need to spruce up vanilla and leveling content to bring into it some life again. It's been played to death, they should do something to increase the difficulty. People have wikis, subreddits etc to breeze through everything now and are looking for a challenge. In a day and age where games are being played to death, speed run, dominated etc...and after having been exposed to pro gamers on twitch etc...people want to be challenged
4. Reduce the amount of servers and increase the max population of those servers. Worlds should feel alive and teeming with life...having way too many servers and players spread out across those servers makes the game world feel dead. If you complain about farming for resources, too bad. Ignore these homosexual whiners and implement it anyway
5. Introduce challenging new modes for end game content that guilds/players can work towards
6. Work on the pvp scene. Get people interested in pvp, introduce new gear, promote it etc
7. Old WoW never had this, but introduce penalities for death and make world pvp more relevant...introduce something in addition to the honor...little mini games or something where you protect places like tarren mill or whatever in each zone. WoW doesn't have to be 1:1 like the old WoW, change things up a bit like old school runescape has
8. Introduce new gear, new crafting recipes, new profession mechanics...etc etc. WoW doesn't have to be 1:1
9. Create a gameplay loop where creation of new characters is encouraged...maybe being able to sell your chars to other players? Or for some kind of blizz credit? Basically something that gives you an incentive to keep playing the game, possibly letting you get real world benefits
10. Make gold in the game more relevant. After a certain point, after you've got your end game mount and all your gems etc...gold becomes worthless. Make it more relevant and tie it into point 9
11. Add more guild features. Being part of a guild is a critical aspect of the game...I feel like the guild system in WoW is currently pretty bare bones...and this ties into point 2, adding more pro social features
>but unfortunately nowadays due to censorship and the political climate, people don't talk anymore
people not talking has nothing at all to do with your pussy ass persecution complex and everything to do with gameplay.
there needs to be reasons to be social. Look at vanilla, look at SWG, look at EQ.
You're on the right track but your reasoning is for whatever reason incredibly flawed and chances are high you won't understand this anyhow.
people not talking is tied heavily to the political climate and censorship...you don't know what you're talking about
nta but he's right, people who don't want to deal with potential blowback for wrongthink simply stop socializing and talking altogether.
This, but also the political climate is causing polarization in peoples thinking...this causes every subject matter to be political, which again causes people to not even bother talking. Go back to 2007 and barely anyone even mentioned trannies and other issues. Now everything is tied to feminism, trannies taking over etc
You have to accept that the thing you loved is dead. It happens to every franchise sooner or later.
I would rather see the thing I love die than continue to be raped for eternity
not many franchises hasn't been raped in the last 10 years sadly. i'm with you
You can save wow just through marketing. These morons make posts like "idk guys I'm getting the itch" without any shame.
People do want to play WoW they just don't like getting mocked for liking such a soulless derelict game.
If I was Blizzard I'd bring the infinite grind back so the rats can rejoice and run back into the maze.
Can't have that. Somewhere in the UK some fat bald moron cried that he was forced to run MoS 10,000 times. Gun to the head because mythic dildodriller titancaller in Mightyhold won't mathematically die on week 1 unless your AP has 10,000 MoS runs on it prior to the week 2 knowledge scaling. Very important. Did I mention the problem isn't Blizzard? It's these sad fricks razing anything nice and going to war with the dev team if they encounter anything resembling an RPG mechanics or a character choice locked in?
They can start by actually dealing with bits and permabanning goldBUYERS.
I will not even spare a single glance for your shit game until the bare minimum is met.
You have NO excuse for not automatically detecting and instantly banning flyhackers.
Oh, this character is in a coordinate that isn't normally accessible? Banned instantly
Anyone who thinks WoW is salvageable never acknowledges the fact that the economy is permanently fricked by both botting and the WoW token, and since Blizzard makes money on both of those things, they will never be removed, ergo, WoW cannot be fixed or salvaged on that basis alone.
>permabanning goldBUYERS.
Won't happen until Blizzard agrees to discontinue the WoW Token (i.e. never).
Lets think logically. Question is why people loved and still coming back to play wow?
Take a look at how the population surges. Only extremely small minority sticks around a few months more, only to raidlog a while and they vanish in time aswell. Initial super high pop comes from the phase as everyone is low-mid level adventurers... adventuring. Some crafts, some pvp, mostly running around and questing meeting people and npcs at random, random gear, random drops, not a lot of minmaxxing, constant progress to move on. Tedious but rewarding but rewards are not overpowering sort of rewards, they only further the progress forwards.
If they would emphasize on this aspect and come up with some sort of way to develop the game on that axis, I shit you not they will make an absolute killing. However current wow is doing the absolute exact opposite, very little adventure, more railroaded storyline (and fricking cringe one at that) you sit at the side to watch, player quickly bought up to the endgame grind that is just that, grind.
Honestly I cant decide if thats really an intended business model, because some games actually do that; pump out content (but actually every few months) get people playing a few weeks, they drop and get them back with next content. But something tells me they are just simply inconceivably stupid and do exactly the opposite of what they should be doing without realisation.
Wasn't there a supposed insider post on here recently that said Metzen was coming back before they announced it?
metzen never really left so that would have been a moronic "leak"
no he left, came back a bit ago, but is NOW being announced for an official position. He was consulting at first.
You know a "leak" is fake whenever they mention playable Horde ogres
Turn it into a proper singleplayer game and release WoWEdit to the public.
Nothing
The frick is that on the right?
Make it free 2 play
Do a WoD-like expansion of Warcraft 2; but, don't shy away from the gritty shit
at this point they'd need a full ARR-style rework to generate press/mass appeal
lgbt shit aside, the biggest problem with Dragonflight is that they're trying to emphasize optional content with cosmetic rewards in a game that literally nobody plays for the fashion
Fire your entire staff. Hire men with talent, not by skin color.
Go full racist and allow anything to be said in chat.
Kill off all gay characters.