they look cool! but i stll prefer original designs XD
No
XD
1st one is too cartoony. I don't understand what is that supposed to be.
2nd one is weird. The belly looks like some big beach ball.
3rd one is the same as in games just changed agular shapes to circular.
Overall its very meh
i made the anatomy less humanlike
Inteleon looks improved. The other two are kinda funny but not an improvement. In fact they don't even feel like Cinderace and Rillaboom anymore.
>In fact they don't even feel like Cinderace and Rillaboom anymore.
What was lost? I just changed the direction of the design and made them more animal like
>What was lost?
Its entire design concept. People need to get over humanoid jobmons. We literally have things like Hitmonchan and Mr. Mime in the first gen.
Nesquik hotdog
Honestly just weird, I think the entire concept of drumming as a Pokemon's theme just doesn't work inherently
Barely changed the one that needed the most changes
1st one is too cartoony. I don't understand what is that supposed to be.
2nd one is weird. The belly looks like some big beach ball.
3rd one is the same as in games just changed agular shapes to circular.
this board, and the fanbase in general, is literally filled with fur homosexuals and pedophiles
it shouldnt surprise you seeing countless simp threads for the underaged pokegirls and the pokemon
it sucks that we are stuck with this furshit pandering and "pokemon with jobs" design philosophy because that is what the homosexuals who play these games like
Inteleon and Rillaboom look better, but there isn't much saving Inteleon overall without a complete design overhaul. Cinderace looks weird, more hot dog like as peopl hav said, which I think is just the way you've placed the colors with the proportions.
As one of like 10 people who actually like Inteleon on this board for non-porn related reasons, your redesign massively misses the mark and feels like a bunch of disparate elements, new and old, that jumble together to make a generic lizard monster that wouldn't feel out of place in any of the dime-a-dozen indie Pokemon ripoffs that come out constantly nowadays.
Firstly, the body shape really doesn't give any indication if it's supposed to be outright bipedal or only a facultative biped ala Pikachu. The way it's front limbs are used obviously indicated the former, but the noodly body and leg structure makes it seem incredibly awkward walking on two legs.
Secondly, the theming is almost entirely lost in most vestiges of the design, making the few ones that were kept relatively in-tact seem horridly out of place. The wetsuit pattern and water finger-guns hint at it being a spy, but the glider cape and tail knife not even being hinted at really come off as you not even realizing they were there in the first place. Ironically enough, the removal of these things link it even less so to it's natural analogue and make it seem less like a monster, given they were traits from several different lizard species mashed onto one and recontextualized to fit on one creature and serve an overall theme, which is basically Pokemon's MO at this point.
Lastly, I really feel like your changes also horribly muddied where the focus is even supposed to be on the design. The large hands, love them or hate them, drew eyes towards them due to their proportions and hard color shift from the rest of the arms/upper body, thus signaling that those were it's main mode of offense. In this design, the fact that they're of any importance is lost entirely. The silhouette isn't anywhere close to firearm iconography and the color palette blends far too much into the rest of the body. This is like shrinking Feraligatr's jaw or Blastoise's canons when redesigning them, it doesn't work.
Then remove it entirely rather than making it seem like a complete afterthought on an otherwise unrelated design. This is the worst of both worlds, doesn't go far enough into the theming or keep enough of the preexisting design elements to please people who liked it before, doesn't just ditch the theming for people who (wrongly btw) think that Pokemon having themes is some big nugen sin. As it stands, it's nothing but a tonally confused and ultimately forgettable creature that feels like a weird not-Pokemon, hence me likening it to many of the designs of the same ilk in modern Pokemon-like monster catchers
>the pokemon is a mix of lizards including a flying lizard and a chameleon being able to become invisible but also be able to glide and has a knife in its tail it is so equipped to survive as a spy without literally being one >HURR DURR JOBMON THE POKEMON HAS A JOB
Whoever created the term "Jobmon" and anyone who uses it is a massive moron
>mix of lizards including a flying lizard and a chameleon being able to become invisible but also be able to glide and has a knife in its tail it is so equipped to survive as a spy without literally being one
Jesus christ, what a mess. Imagine this design philosophy with older Pokemon.
>It's a bird, but it's also electric, it also has a long neck because its a telescope, but it also has axe eyeballs because it lives in the woods where its also a lumberjack to sells lumber to the pepsi co., meaning he also has a jumpsuit, but it's also not just any bird, it's a penguin, but also a flamingo
nta but you did nothing but list an bunch if disparate concepts that have little to do with each other whereas he listed several aspect related within themselves (gliding membranes, color camo, and knife-like tail protrusions being iconic visual elements of lizards) and extrapolated how they were transformed on the design. Learn to argue.
Name one single lizard that can camo, has a knife like tail, and can glide.
9 months ago
Anonymous
There isn't, but those are all traits lizards have, making it so that having them all on one lizard-like creature for the sake of serving another theme isn't a far stretch at all. There is absolute no meaningful connection between telescopes and lumberjacks, lumberjacks and jumpsuits, or any of those three to birds, so you failed from the word go.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Ok, let me fix it for your moron ass. >Slowpoke >but instead of a giant salamander it's also a komodo which is also strong >giant and strong means its a body builder >give it gym shorts and a dumbbell >perfect design
9 months ago
Anonymous
>komodo which is also strong
plenty of animals are strong, and that's a nebulous phrase to begin with given strength is qualified by so many different measures in the animal kingdom. Ants are considered strong, for example.
That also has nothing to do with the komodo dragon's most infamous trait, which is it's venom and bacteria-ridden saliva, not it's strength (in fact, it's physical strength is nothing to write home about among animals of it's size, making your bodybuilder connection also tenuous).
Try again.
There isn't, but those are all traits lizards have, making it so that having them all on one lizard-like creature for the sake of serving another theme isn't a far stretch at all. There is absolute no meaningful connection between telescopes and lumberjacks, lumberjacks and jumpsuits, or any of those three to birds, so you failed from the word go.
Why the frick does it need to be two lizards? Why couldn't it have just been one lizard? Why does it being a 'spy' means it needs a knife and a sniper rifle? Why can't its camo just be a singular element of the spy theme? Why can't it just be an invisible/camo'd 'spy' chameleon?
Why, because they gotta shove too much shit together and have you morons defend this shit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Nooo 3 abilities are too much!!! le overdesigned!!!
Lol
Yeah, sorry Kecleon doesn't have guns, knives, can fly, and also turn giant super saiyan magic forms to satiate your inability to appreciate simple designs and you need everything to turn into a offbrand shitty digimon you fricking homosexual.
>Missing the point this hardly
Lmao even
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Nooo 3 abilities are too much!!! le overdesigned!!!
Correct, it is overdesigned and looks like shit which is why most people dislike it. Again, what do knives and sniper rifles have to do with spies? Why isn't the camo enough? Why does it also have a glide at the same time because of a completely different lizard element? What does that have to do with spies? Why can't it just have been a gliding chameleon? Why couldn't it have just been a chameleon spy? Why does it all need to be combined into one element? You could have literally take how many ideas in this one Pokemon and made two entirely different Pokemon that would have likely both been massive improvements and stood on their own and actually been liked.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Correct, it is overdesigned
"overdesigned" is a fricking meme at this point you don't know what overdesigned means >which is why most people dislike it
Fake and gay
9 months ago
Anonymous
Japan has shit taste and this has been a known thing for 20 years. Their opinion doesn't matter, and once again, overdesigned, get over it cuck.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>Noooo 3 abilities are too much for my tiktok brain
I get it i accept your concession
>Being a mix of two (2) animals with a invisible design choice is a mess
Oh imagine the horror > Imagine this design philosophy with older Pokemon. >Proceds to make something that doesn't even exist in gen 9
Yeah, sorry Kecleon doesn't have guns, knives, can fly, and also turn giant super saiyan magic forms to satiate your inability to appreciate simple designs and you need everything to turn into a offbrand shitty digimon you fricking homosexual.
>bipedal lizard monster without human legs look weird to a modern pokemon fan
lmao
But I do agree with a few of your points despite there being a clear bias and exposure gap between the designs being compared. I still think the design is fine, nothing wrong with subtle themes. This one is meant to look like he sticks to walls. the crest is supposed to look like a tie and the back crests loop around to look like shoulder pads.
I will concede anon that my design is more generic but I think it fits better aesthetically with pokemon that came before gen 8 and incorporates the themes in a way thats conducive to what the design is meant to do. The long tail can be used a wire to hang on and the gloves stick to walls. Its a sly looking lizard that can do spy shit. I think comparatively the OG inteleon on top of having an unappealing body type has some obtuse design elements. You literally wouldnt know the hands shot water unless you saw it in action, you would just think "oh this is a furry with human hands"; my design has round piston looking things that look like they could have waterholes on them, retract and shoot water. The cape on the original looks cabobbled on there unless you get the reference(which I didn't lol). Anyway good shit anon thank you for the criticism
>bipedal lizard monster without human legs look weird to a modern pokemon fan
Not my point at all, Charizard and Sceptile look perfectly fine to me. Also my first Gen was 3.
The problem is that it's a long noodly body accompanied by comparatively short hindlegs with a structure that implies it's quadrupedal, but it's front arms housing the gun gimmick means it doesn't work as anything but a bipedal in combat, which is obviously bad since if it's in combat it's gonna need to move, which it'll look ridiculous doing due to it's proportions. If you want a good anatomical execution on the same exact principle this was trying for, see Salazzle. Body that's lithe enough and a hindleg structure that sells it as a quadruped, but said hindlegs are proportionate to the rest of the body, making it believable that it can also stand on them and move effectively if need be. >This one is meant to look like he sticks to walls. the crest is supposed to look like a tie and the back crests loop around to look like shoulder pads.
I don't think this was conveyed all that well, unfortunately. The neck patterning looks very little like a tie, and the sails around the shoulders don't sell the feel of shoulder pads at all (if anything they look like they're situated firmly behind the arms, though this may just be on art style. >I will concede anon that my design is more generic but I think it fits better aesthetically with pokemon that came before gen 8
The head shape in conjunction with the neck feels artificial, ruling it out of at least Gen 1 and Gen 3 (which isn't a strictly negative thing, but for the kinda of Pokemon it is, this was rare in those gens). It doesn't feel heavy enough on darker colors/blacks to be from 4 or 5, either. Maybe Gen 2, then?
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>bipedal lizard monster without human legs look weird to a modern pokemon fan
Not my point at all, Charizard and Sceptile look perfectly fine to me. Also my first Gen was 3.
The problem is that it's a long noodly body accompanied by comparatively short hindlegs with a structure that implies it's quadrupedal, but it's front arms housing the gun gimmick means it doesn't work as anything but a bipedal in combat, which is obviously bad since if it's in combat it's gonna need to move, which it'll look ridiculous doing due to it's proportions. If you want a good anatomical execution on the same exact principle this was trying for, see Salazzle. Body that's lithe enough and a hindleg structure that sells it as a quadruped, but said hindlegs are proportionate to the rest of the body, making it believable that it can also stand on them and move effectively if need be. >This one is meant to look like he sticks to walls. the crest is supposed to look like a tie and the back crests loop around to look like shoulder pads.
I don't think this was conveyed all that well, unfortunately. The neck patterning looks very little like a tie, and the sails around the shoulders don't sell the feel of shoulder pads at all (if anything they look like they're situated firmly behind the arms, though this may just be on art style. >I will concede anon that my design is more generic but I think it fits better aesthetically with pokemon that came before gen 8
The head shape in conjunction with the neck feels artificial, ruling it out of at least Gen 1 and Gen 3 (which isn't a strictly negative thing, but for the kinda of Pokemon it is, this was rare in those gens). It doesn't feel heavy enough on darker colors/blacks to be from 4 or 5, either. Maybe Gen 2, then?
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> You literally wouldnt know the hands shot water unless you saw it in action
I think the posing it's constantly portrayed with and the "finger gun" association do that perfectly well enough. Hell, one of the FIRST pieces of fanart drawn of Inteleon post-SwSh leaks was it shooting bubbles out if it's fingers (picrel), so it's safe to assume it was conveyed perfectly well >my design has round piston looking things that look like they could have waterholes on them, retract and shoot water
I don't think this was done all that well. in trying to make them look both like lizard-hands that could stick to walls and finger guns, you ended up diminishing the latter heavily-the only though I got from looking at them is "those could stick to walls, but why are they shotting water?".
Also, I still think they're far too de-emphasized for what's supposed to be the central focus on the design (on the OG, anyways) and also it's main means of attack. Too small, to visually homogenous with the rest of it's body. > The cape on the original looks cabobbled on there
It's firmly attacks to it's head crest leading down the neck, so it doesn't look too unnatural. I'll still concede that this was probably the most awkwardly-done aspect of the original, though. > Anyway good shit anon thank you for the criticism
No problem. Sorry if I came off as particularly harsh or condescending at any point, as a big fan of the mon and amateur artist myself I've been bombarded with redesigns of it for the past 4 years, so I've kinda become a bit wary of changes made alongside noticing certain patterns that go into redesigns that just don't appeal to me
The frick are you talking about?
The fact that it looks like it can switch between two and four legs and is cool, and I'm still getting bipedal vibes from it anyway.
And I'm getting the spy theme WAY more from OP's design than the official one- the color patterns/exposed frills look a lot more like a spy suit. The glider cape frills and hooked tail are still there so I don't know if you got a massive case of selective eyesight or if you're just ignoring them for the sake of argument. The only thing OP's doesn't have compared to the originals are the large hands which DOES kind of lessen the impact of their function as water pistols, but it's not like it just completely ruins the rest of the design. I can forgive the large hands being tossed aside because they still look fundamentally appealing and because literally everything else is an improvement.
I've already said my piece to the artist so I won't get into another protracted argument over these points, but >The fact that it looks like it can switch between two and four legs and is cool
The fact that it'd look dumb MOVING on two legs is my problem. The legs are short compared to the long midsection, and the fact that it's so bendy doesn't help. I can't imagine it being able to run straight on two legs, let alone aim it's finger guns, without it's torso moving like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man's. > the color patterns/exposed frills look a lot more like a spy suit.
They look more like a proper suit (which was the intention, as the artist said they were made to resemble a tie and shoulder pads, even if I didn't see it), but nothing like a wetsuit, which is obviously what the base mon was going for. >The glider cape frills and hooked tail are still there
The glider frills look more like ridges running along it's back that than things it could pull out to glide unlike the base form's cape, and the fact that you don't even know about the knife on it's tail says to me that you really didn't get the base design in the first place. >but it's not like it just completely ruins the rest of the design
It doesn't, but it's death by a thousand cuts. If you disagree with my other critiques then fine, but don't act like I brought up the de-emphasization of it's main mode of attack in a vacuum.
The frick are you talking about?
The fact that it looks like it can switch between two and four legs and is cool, and I'm still getting bipedal vibes from it anyway.
And I'm getting the spy theme WAY more from OP's design than the official one- the color patterns/exposed frills look a lot more like a spy suit. The glider cape frills and hooked tail are still there so I don't know if you got a massive case of selective eyesight or if you're just ignoring them for the sake of argument. The only thing OP's doesn't have compared to the originals are the large hands which DOES kind of lessen the impact of their function as water pistols, but it's not like it just completely ruins the rest of the design. I can forgive the large hands being tossed aside because they still look fundamentally appealing and because literally everything else is an improvement.
>without it's torso
torso and neck*
Should probably clarify that before I go. I just think it looks really disproportionate in a way that isn't conducive to bipedal locomotion.
all mons need to have jobs! unemployment is at an all time high!
there arent enough of these freaks slaving for their pokemon trainers!
you see that? YOU FCKIN SEEIN THAT SHIT BRO? these are slaves that are captured by us superior people and they need to be doing their thing, that is doing their jobs!
Not terrible really but
1) Inteleon's got a fricking spaghetti neck
2)Why does Cinderace have pencil legs? Isn't it known spexifically for kicking? I think judging by the feet you were going for a warner bros/bugs bunny look but it doesn't work really.
The Scepter is the psychic part of course. Goes with the "third eye" israeliteel of Persian. Preasu rike, very good 10/10 design, not overdesigned, so many erementu for you to rike.
Real life bears aren't fricking green, yet we have Snorlax. Lions=Kings, Kings have Scepters, Caps, and Crowns. If your gliding chameleon can have a knife tail and that somehow makes him a spy, then my double cat can have a cape, frick you.
>Lions=Kings, Kings have Scepters, Caps, and Crowns.
Ah, there's your problem. You're approaching this from the viewpoint of "I NEED to specifically pull from the human profession aspect, my entire point goes to shit if I don't!". Let me spell it out for you, buddy. >Starter is lizard >Because it is Pokemon, and thus monster, it can be many kind of lizard at once >what do lizard have? >weird eyeballs, glidy flaps, bumpy tails >what if our lizard had that? >say, what if those things, that lizard already had, could also be things that serve theme?
See how, in this hypothetical design process, the fact that these design elements lifted from it's irl sources started with the animal's traits and only after got tied into the human aspect? Hope this helped!
Should have stopped midway through. Charizard isn't like that. Slowpoke isn't like that. Treecko isn't like that. I could go on. It's like they wanted to give the Galar starters something to stand out compared to all the rest, and we got drums, soccer, and spies. Which is just a mess of things, at the very least the drums with an ape would have made sense if it was beating its chest, but its not.
GameFreak has awful designers anymore, they might make 3 good Pokemon per dex and the rest are travesties.
>Ugly orange face >Grey out of nowhere >Stupid bush-hair shit on it's head >Humanoid-like feet instead of hand-like feet >Looks completely unrelated to grookey and thwackey >Looks like a complete middle finger to real life gorillas (which actually looks cool)
It wouldn't surprise me if rillaboomer was an afterthough from zarude looking too cool
Inteleon looks better just by virtue of having sillier limbs and more action-oriented pose, nice work
I like the idea for the other two but I don't think they deliver, you'd really need to go back to the drawing board to make them work though since I think they're pretty weak conceptually, making Scorbunny more physical with a wider frame is a step in the right direction though
I honestly really like the Cinderace, it's goofy but still looks tough & animalistic. Inteleon is pretty cool too, but it feels like you put less effort into Rillaboom
How did you manage to fuse Scorbunny and Hitmonlee into a hot dog?
XD
i made the anatomy less humanlike
>In fact they don't even feel like Cinderace and Rillaboom anymore.
What was lost? I just changed the direction of the design and made them more animal like
>XD
you need to have a nice day at your earliest convenience
>What was lost?
Its entire design concept. People need to get over humanoid jobmons. We literally have things like Hitmonchan and Mr. Mime in the first gen.
No
Bunny and Ape are still terrible, Lizard is slightly better than the horrible original but still not that great
they look cool! but i stll prefer original designs XD
Bangorilla is cute!
Nesquik hotdog
Honestly just weird, I think the entire concept of drumming as a Pokemon's theme just doesn't work inherently
Barely changed the one that needed the most changes
I actually like Rillaboom more, the others are still lame though, but at least Hot Dog Ace is funny.
Makes sense as a monkey/ape beating their chest as a drum.
1st one is too cartoony. I don't understand what is that supposed to be.
2nd one is weird. The belly looks like some big beach ball.
3rd one is the same as in games just changed agular shapes to circular.
Overall its very meh
Inteleon looks improved. The other two are kinda funny but not an improvement. In fact they don't even feel like Cinderace and Rillaboom anymore.
Cinderrace is worse. Munkey is better, Inceleon is unsalvageable.
honestly much better
love the scorbunny evolution a lot more than the fur homosexual shit we got
Thank you. I think this thread just proves vp has shit taste
>inb4 OP is a homosexual
frick you
this board, and the fanbase in general, is literally filled with fur homosexuals and pedophiles
it shouldnt surprise you seeing countless simp threads for the underaged pokegirls and the pokemon
it sucks that we are stuck with this furshit pandering and "pokemon with jobs" design philosophy because that is what the homosexuals who play these games like
I kinda understand though. your brain changes to accept newer design philosophy because these designs arent going anywhere.
Glad I could help anon 🙂
The proportions on the rabbit made me kek
Inteleon and Rillaboom look better, but there isn't much saving Inteleon overall without a complete design overhaul. Cinderace looks weird, more hot dog like as peopl hav said, which I think is just the way you've placed the colors with the proportions.
As one of like 10 people who actually like Inteleon on this board for non-porn related reasons, your redesign massively misses the mark and feels like a bunch of disparate elements, new and old, that jumble together to make a generic lizard monster that wouldn't feel out of place in any of the dime-a-dozen indie Pokemon ripoffs that come out constantly nowadays.
Firstly, the body shape really doesn't give any indication if it's supposed to be outright bipedal or only a facultative biped ala Pikachu. The way it's front limbs are used obviously indicated the former, but the noodly body and leg structure makes it seem incredibly awkward walking on two legs.
Secondly, the theming is almost entirely lost in most vestiges of the design, making the few ones that were kept relatively in-tact seem horridly out of place. The wetsuit pattern and water finger-guns hint at it being a spy, but the glider cape and tail knife not even being hinted at really come off as you not even realizing they were there in the first place. Ironically enough, the removal of these things link it even less so to it's natural analogue and make it seem less like a monster, given they were traits from several different lizard species mashed onto one and recontextualized to fit on one creature and serve an overall theme, which is basically Pokemon's MO at this point.
Lastly, I really feel like your changes also horribly muddied where the focus is even supposed to be on the design. The large hands, love them or hate them, drew eyes towards them due to their proportions and hard color shift from the rest of the arms/upper body, thus signaling that those were it's main mode of offense. In this design, the fact that they're of any importance is lost entirely. The silhouette isn't anywhere close to firearm iconography and the color palette blends far too much into the rest of the body. This is like shrinking Feraligatr's jaw or Blastoise's canons when redesigning them, it doesn't work.
Probably because the spy theme is fricking moronic. Not every pokemon needs some job or theme these days.
Then remove it entirely rather than making it seem like a complete afterthought on an otherwise unrelated design. This is the worst of both worlds, doesn't go far enough into the theming or keep enough of the preexisting design elements to please people who liked it before, doesn't just ditch the theming for people who (wrongly btw) think that Pokemon having themes is some big nugen sin. As it stands, it's nothing but a tonally confused and ultimately forgettable creature that feels like a weird not-Pokemon, hence me likening it to many of the designs of the same ilk in modern Pokemon-like monster catchers
>the pokemon is a mix of lizards including a flying lizard and a chameleon being able to become invisible but also be able to glide and has a knife in its tail it is so equipped to survive as a spy without literally being one
>HURR DURR JOBMON THE POKEMON HAS A JOB
Whoever created the term "Jobmon" and anyone who uses it is a massive moron
Wow everything you described sounds like a mexican trying to make a shitty DBZ fanfic character named Potat Azure the Maximum
>mix of lizards including a flying lizard and a chameleon being able to become invisible but also be able to glide and has a knife in its tail it is so equipped to survive as a spy without literally being one
Jesus christ, what a mess. Imagine this design philosophy with older Pokemon.
>It's a bird, but it's also electric, it also has a long neck because its a telescope, but it also has axe eyeballs because it lives in the woods where its also a lumberjack to sells lumber to the pepsi co., meaning he also has a jumpsuit, but it's also not just any bird, it's a penguin, but also a flamingo
nta but you did nothing but list an bunch if disparate concepts that have little to do with each other whereas he listed several aspect related within themselves (gliding membranes, color camo, and knife-like tail protrusions being iconic visual elements of lizards) and extrapolated how they were transformed on the design. Learn to argue.
Name one single lizard that can camo, has a knife like tail, and can glide.
There isn't, but those are all traits lizards have, making it so that having them all on one lizard-like creature for the sake of serving another theme isn't a far stretch at all. There is absolute no meaningful connection between telescopes and lumberjacks, lumberjacks and jumpsuits, or any of those three to birds, so you failed from the word go.
Ok, let me fix it for your moron ass.
>Slowpoke
>but instead of a giant salamander it's also a komodo which is also strong
>giant and strong means its a body builder
>give it gym shorts and a dumbbell
>perfect design
>komodo which is also strong
plenty of animals are strong, and that's a nebulous phrase to begin with given strength is qualified by so many different measures in the animal kingdom. Ants are considered strong, for example.
That also has nothing to do with the komodo dragon's most infamous trait, which is it's venom and bacteria-ridden saliva, not it's strength (in fact, it's physical strength is nothing to write home about among animals of it's size, making your bodybuilder connection also tenuous).
Try again.
Why the frick does it need to be two lizards? Why couldn't it have just been one lizard? Why does it being a 'spy' means it needs a knife and a sniper rifle? Why can't its camo just be a singular element of the spy theme? Why can't it just be an invisible/camo'd 'spy' chameleon?
Why, because they gotta shove too much shit together and have you morons defend this shit.
>Nooo 3 abilities are too much!!! le overdesigned!!!
Lol
>Missing the point this hardly
Lmao even
>Nooo 3 abilities are too much!!! le overdesigned!!!
Correct, it is overdesigned and looks like shit which is why most people dislike it. Again, what do knives and sniper rifles have to do with spies? Why isn't the camo enough? Why does it also have a glide at the same time because of a completely different lizard element? What does that have to do with spies? Why can't it just have been a gliding chameleon? Why couldn't it have just been a chameleon spy? Why does it all need to be combined into one element? You could have literally take how many ideas in this one Pokemon and made two entirely different Pokemon that would have likely both been massive improvements and stood on their own and actually been liked.
>Correct, it is overdesigned
"overdesigned" is a fricking meme at this point you don't know what overdesigned means
>which is why most people dislike it
Fake and gay
Japan has shit taste and this has been a known thing for 20 years. Their opinion doesn't matter, and once again, overdesigned, get over it cuck.
>Noooo 3 abilities are too much for my tiktok brain
I get it i accept your concession
>Being a mix of two (2) animals with a invisible design choice is a mess
Oh imagine the horror
> Imagine this design philosophy with older Pokemon.
>Proceds to make something that doesn't even exist in gen 9
Remember when Chameleons weren't a mess of ideas?
>Let's compare my mom's chameleon with a hybrid of two different lizards
Mental illness
Yeah, sorry Kecleon doesn't have guns, knives, can fly, and also turn giant super saiyan magic forms to satiate your inability to appreciate simple designs and you need everything to turn into a offbrand shitty digimon you fricking homosexual.
>bipedal lizard monster without human legs look weird to a modern pokemon fan
lmao
But I do agree with a few of your points despite there being a clear bias and exposure gap between the designs being compared. I still think the design is fine, nothing wrong with subtle themes. This one is meant to look like he sticks to walls. the crest is supposed to look like a tie and the back crests loop around to look like shoulder pads.
I will concede anon that my design is more generic but I think it fits better aesthetically with pokemon that came before gen 8 and incorporates the themes in a way thats conducive to what the design is meant to do. The long tail can be used a wire to hang on and the gloves stick to walls. Its a sly looking lizard that can do spy shit. I think comparatively the OG inteleon on top of having an unappealing body type has some obtuse design elements. You literally wouldnt know the hands shot water unless you saw it in action, you would just think "oh this is a furry with human hands"; my design has round piston looking things that look like they could have waterholes on them, retract and shoot water. The cape on the original looks cabobbled on there unless you get the reference(which I didn't lol). Anyway good shit anon thank you for the criticism
>bipedal lizard monster without human legs look weird to a modern pokemon fan
Not my point at all, Charizard and Sceptile look perfectly fine to me. Also my first Gen was 3.
The problem is that it's a long noodly body accompanied by comparatively short hindlegs with a structure that implies it's quadrupedal, but it's front arms housing the gun gimmick means it doesn't work as anything but a bipedal in combat, which is obviously bad since if it's in combat it's gonna need to move, which it'll look ridiculous doing due to it's proportions. If you want a good anatomical execution on the same exact principle this was trying for, see Salazzle. Body that's lithe enough and a hindleg structure that sells it as a quadruped, but said hindlegs are proportionate to the rest of the body, making it believable that it can also stand on them and move effectively if need be.
>This one is meant to look like he sticks to walls. the crest is supposed to look like a tie and the back crests loop around to look like shoulder pads.
I don't think this was conveyed all that well, unfortunately. The neck patterning looks very little like a tie, and the sails around the shoulders don't sell the feel of shoulder pads at all (if anything they look like they're situated firmly behind the arms, though this may just be on art style.
>I will concede anon that my design is more generic but I think it fits better aesthetically with pokemon that came before gen 8
The head shape in conjunction with the neck feels artificial, ruling it out of at least Gen 1 and Gen 3 (which isn't a strictly negative thing, but for the kinda of Pokemon it is, this was rare in those gens). It doesn't feel heavy enough on darker colors/blacks to be from 4 or 5, either. Maybe Gen 2, then?
1/2
> You literally wouldnt know the hands shot water unless you saw it in action
I think the posing it's constantly portrayed with and the "finger gun" association do that perfectly well enough. Hell, one of the FIRST pieces of fanart drawn of Inteleon post-SwSh leaks was it shooting bubbles out if it's fingers (picrel), so it's safe to assume it was conveyed perfectly well
>my design has round piston looking things that look like they could have waterholes on them, retract and shoot water
I don't think this was done all that well. in trying to make them look both like lizard-hands that could stick to walls and finger guns, you ended up diminishing the latter heavily-the only though I got from looking at them is "those could stick to walls, but why are they shotting water?".
Also, I still think they're far too de-emphasized for what's supposed to be the central focus on the design (on the OG, anyways) and also it's main means of attack. Too small, to visually homogenous with the rest of it's body.
> The cape on the original looks cabobbled on there
It's firmly attacks to it's head crest leading down the neck, so it doesn't look too unnatural. I'll still concede that this was probably the most awkwardly-done aspect of the original, though.
> Anyway good shit anon thank you for the criticism
No problem. Sorry if I came off as particularly harsh or condescending at any point, as a big fan of the mon and amateur artist myself I've been bombarded with redesigns of it for the past 4 years, so I've kinda become a bit wary of changes made alongside noticing certain patterns that go into redesigns that just don't appeal to me
Of fricking course I forgot the actual "pic", shit
The frick are you talking about?
The fact that it looks like it can switch between two and four legs and is cool, and I'm still getting bipedal vibes from it anyway.
And I'm getting the spy theme WAY more from OP's design than the official one- the color patterns/exposed frills look a lot more like a spy suit. The glider cape frills and hooked tail are still there so I don't know if you got a massive case of selective eyesight or if you're just ignoring them for the sake of argument. The only thing OP's doesn't have compared to the originals are the large hands which DOES kind of lessen the impact of their function as water pistols, but it's not like it just completely ruins the rest of the design. I can forgive the large hands being tossed aside because they still look fundamentally appealing and because literally everything else is an improvement.
I've already said my piece to the artist so I won't get into another protracted argument over these points, but
>The fact that it looks like it can switch between two and four legs and is cool
The fact that it'd look dumb MOVING on two legs is my problem. The legs are short compared to the long midsection, and the fact that it's so bendy doesn't help. I can't imagine it being able to run straight on two legs, let alone aim it's finger guns, without it's torso moving like a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man's.
> the color patterns/exposed frills look a lot more like a spy suit.
They look more like a proper suit (which was the intention, as the artist said they were made to resemble a tie and shoulder pads, even if I didn't see it), but nothing like a wetsuit, which is obviously what the base mon was going for.
>The glider cape frills and hooked tail are still there
The glider frills look more like ridges running along it's back that than things it could pull out to glide unlike the base form's cape, and the fact that you don't even know about the knife on it's tail says to me that you really didn't get the base design in the first place.
>but it's not like it just completely ruins the rest of the design
It doesn't, but it's death by a thousand cuts. If you disagree with my other critiques then fine, but don't act like I brought up the de-emphasization of it's main mode of attack in a vacuum.
>without it's torso
torso and neck*
Should probably clarify that before I go. I just think it looks really disproportionate in a way that isn't conducive to bipedal locomotion.
Horrible
all mons need to have jobs! unemployment is at an all time high!
there arent enough of these freaks slaving for their pokemon trainers!
you see that? YOU FCKIN SEEIN THAT SHIT BRO? these are slaves that are captured by us superior people and they need to be doing their thing, that is doing their jobs!
Rillaboom and Inceleon look slightly better, I still prefer the Cinderace we got.
Not terrible really but
1) Inteleon's got a fricking spaghetti neck
2)Why does Cinderace have pencil legs? Isn't it known spexifically for kicking? I think judging by the feet you were going for a warner bros/bugs bunny look but it doesn't work really.
What do you guys think about my redesign?
Better than OP's
KEK that water starter lmao it's so true
man in a fricking suit
It's a Persian Cat, but also a Lion, and Lion's are Kings, therefore he has a cape, a scepter, and a crown. Brilliant design 10/10.
>Clothing
Gross shit design make it a fire type and give it a cape OF FRICKING FIRE
Sorry, it's Psychic type because all Kings know everything.
Cape made of psychic power then go on and redesign this shit
The Scepter is the psychic part of course. Goes with the "third eye" israeliteel of Persian. Preasu rike, very good 10/10 design, not overdesigned, so many erementu for you to rike.
irl lions don't have capes, crowns, or scepters. irl lizards do have gliding membranes, nictitating membranes, and prominent tail ridges. try again
Real life bears aren't fricking green, yet we have Snorlax. Lions=Kings, Kings have Scepters, Caps, and Crowns. If your gliding chameleon can have a knife tail and that somehow makes him a spy, then my double cat can have a cape, frick you.
>Lions=Kings, Kings have Scepters, Caps, and Crowns.
Ah, there's your problem. You're approaching this from the viewpoint of "I NEED to specifically pull from the human profession aspect, my entire point goes to shit if I don't!". Let me spell it out for you, buddy.
>Starter is lizard
>Because it is Pokemon, and thus monster, it can be many kind of lizard at once
>what do lizard have?
>weird eyeballs, glidy flaps, bumpy tails
>what if our lizard had that?
>say, what if those things, that lizard already had, could also be things that serve theme?
See how, in this hypothetical design process, the fact that these design elements lifted from it's irl sources started with the animal's traits and only after got tied into the human aspect? Hope this helped!
Should have stopped midway through. Charizard isn't like that. Slowpoke isn't like that. Treecko isn't like that. I could go on. It's like they wanted to give the Galar starters something to stand out compared to all the rest, and we got drums, soccer, and spies. Which is just a mess of things, at the very least the drums with an ape would have made sense if it was beating its chest, but its not.
GameFreak has awful designers anymore, they might make 3 good Pokemon per dex and the rest are travesties.
Who cares what Inteleon is based on, it looks like dogshit. Only Quaquaval is a worse starter.
>Inteleon
>good
Didn't realize we were in shitposting hours, but cool.
Gholdengo is good design too.
Inteleon is just a poor man's Gex.
there really is no saving inteleon
see
Why did you ruin RIllaboom
What the frick is that Cinderace
That Intelleon is good
>Why did you ruin RIllaboom
You can't ruin something that already looks like a pile of shit
Only thing wrong with Rillaboom is the stupid drum prop imo. Its actual design is good, if a little bland.
>Ugly orange face
>Grey out of nowhere
>Stupid bush-hair shit on it's head
>Humanoid-like feet instead of hand-like feet
>Looks completely unrelated to grookey and thwackey
>Looks like a complete middle finger to real life gorillas (which actually looks cool)
It wouldn't surprise me if rillaboomer was an afterthough from zarude looking too cool
Fixed it.
frick off discord troony
Inteleon looks better just by virtue of having sillier limbs and more action-oriented pose, nice work
I like the idea for the other two but I don't think they deliver, you'd really need to go back to the drawing board to make them work though since I think they're pretty weak conceptually, making Scorbunny more physical with a wider frame is a step in the right direction though
Hello. my name is Charizard. I shoot fire and have a flame tail because I am a dragon
behold, a dragon
I honestly really like the Cinderace, it's goofy but still looks tough & animalistic. Inteleon is pretty cool too, but it feels like you put less effort into Rillaboom
Rabbit and Gorilla are worse
Chameleon is better in the basis that anything is better than what we got, but its not great either.
>Inteleon "redesign"
>Just makes it less subtle
Every fricking time. How does Jesus Lizard: Secret Agent just not compute for people?