why is this one so divisive? like half the people that play it call it a masterpiece and one of the best games ever, the other half think it's the worst in the franchise. how does that happen.
Because, to an extent, its flaws are deliberate. The aim of this game is to convey the idea that information control can mould a person's experience and by extension society. MGS2 sets you up with the tanker chapter, a conventionally "perfect" sequel that gives fans exactly what they want. Then you have the plant chapter which deliberately blue balls you at every turn. Raiden is confused, bewildered and needs saving repeatedly. He doesn't actually defeat half of the bosses, he doesn't prevent important characters from dying, basically he's not Snake. The game (and the patriots) want to demonstrate to you (and Raiden) how easily you can be misled and manipulated by simply curating information (promotional material for the game and the tanker chapter). The patriots want to show Raiden that humans are helpless and needs their help by making him feel like a powerless puppet, which is exactly what he ends up being. Its an incredible work of art but some people hate it because they just wanted a conventional sequel to MGS1.
The game doesn't have any flaws, it's just traditional Metal Gear Solid with a new hero and a completely polished finish. People who dislike the game are generally upset with the way it plays, only remembering their initial experiences with it. There's nothing actually wrong with the game, and the critics have long since become tempermental over the fact.
I think the biggest problem with MGS2 critique is that fans suddenly do not remember the fundamentals of criticism when arguing its merits. It's like Breath of the Wild all over again; personal conjecture is suddenly more valuable the artistic and objective triumphs.
This is all on the superficial level. On the deeper level it's a game about Kojima struggling with writing a sequel, and his desperate attempt to escape from MGS universe before plunging head first into it with MGS 3 and beyond.
I wouldn't call the whole meta narrative superficial, it goes hand in hand with the idea of a sequel. People always act like kojima was forced at gunpoint to make every game and he really didn't want to but that's such bullshit. He poured a lot into every entry and willingly went with it.
My first metal gear game and I love it. I remember playing it on the xbox freaked the frick out as a kid when all the crazy shit with codec calls started happening
Unironically the last good MGS game both narrative wise and continuity wise. Everything went to shit after Kojima's James Bond autism and decision to retcon shit with MGS3.
Was mindblowing for its time in terms of graphics, gameplay details, and interacting with the environment. If the story was your thing that was pretty crazy too. Only gays fell into the "it's bad because you don't play as Snake" filter. It's in my top 10 games. Maybe you had to be there and its less interesting for zoomers, I don't really give a frick. I went from playing mgs1 in 2000 to playing this in 2001 and it blew me away.
>stuck in mountain home with no ac in the middle of nowhere with bro, precell phones >mostly hike to waterfalls but nothing to do when not hiking >no ac >only have dynasty warriors 3 and mgs2 >drag every single fan we could find into our room >create wall of fans >play mgs2 til our eyes bleed >unlock everything >try against european extreme >get absolutely filtered by olga >switch to dw3 >max out lubu and lu bei >end trip by fighting lil bro’s bully on a bridge
I like it. It was quite thought provoking when I played all those years ago. I think the themes and ideas are better than the gameplay, although I like the gameplay too. I never minded the bait and switch with raiden, it was a bit of a wtf when do I play snake again? Ever? moment, but the allusions of Raiden and his child soldier and vr past lining up with an interesting perspective on me being a child playing older metal gear games made my head spin and was pure kino to me.
it reminds me of the times when sony was actually good and wasn't completely evil
otherwise it's one of my favorite games on the ps2
it really needs that port
shame it took this long and we aren't getting all the limited edition content
I only played through this about 3 years ago for the first time. Maybe I am just not in tune with the zeitgest of the times? But playing as Raiden was not particularly surprising or noteworthy, did people think Kojima invented sequel games having a new protagonist? I'll admit I went through for a while thinking "when are we gonna unlock playable snake" but i mean it wasn't a big deal to play as raiden and not really a "betrayal"
more surprising was raiden being a guy I thought it was a girl in the opening movie working alongside snake like Meryl
a lot of morons are still incredibly angry about playing as him otherwise it's the perfect sequel r and braindead americans get mad because it does not answer every single question
and arguably this should had been the game that ended the series
Well originally leading up to release all trailers only showed Snake, and not Raiden at all. So nobody even knew he existed and fans coming off of MGS1 were expecting to play as Snake. I pretty much had your experience too but you have to take into consideration the time it was released and the lead up.
I don't know anything about it, someone tell me what I should think about it so I don't have to play it.
it reminds me of the hit video game mgs1
I like it
He's literally me.
Did he do anything wrong?
No, he was a true patriot.
why is this one so divisive? like half the people that play it call it a masterpiece and one of the best games ever, the other half think it's the worst in the franchise. how does that happen.
Because it has all of the best and worst parts of the series in one game
because people mistakenly believe the game is called "Snake". However that is incorrect! The game is called "Metal Gear Solid"
lol this
i never encountered a more moronic reason to dislike game when I found out about it
Because, to an extent, its flaws are deliberate. The aim of this game is to convey the idea that information control can mould a person's experience and by extension society. MGS2 sets you up with the tanker chapter, a conventionally "perfect" sequel that gives fans exactly what they want. Then you have the plant chapter which deliberately blue balls you at every turn. Raiden is confused, bewildered and needs saving repeatedly. He doesn't actually defeat half of the bosses, he doesn't prevent important characters from dying, basically he's not Snake. The game (and the patriots) want to demonstrate to you (and Raiden) how easily you can be misled and manipulated by simply curating information (promotional material for the game and the tanker chapter). The patriots want to show Raiden that humans are helpless and needs their help by making him feel like a powerless puppet, which is exactly what he ends up being. Its an incredible work of art but some people hate it because they just wanted a conventional sequel to MGS1.
Great post.
The game doesn't have any flaws, it's just traditional Metal Gear Solid with a new hero and a completely polished finish. People who dislike the game are generally upset with the way it plays, only remembering their initial experiences with it. There's nothing actually wrong with the game, and the critics have long since become tempermental over the fact.
I think the biggest problem with MGS2 critique is that fans suddenly do not remember the fundamentals of criticism when arguing its merits. It's like Breath of the Wild all over again; personal conjecture is suddenly more valuable the artistic and objective triumphs.
This is all on the superficial level. On the deeper level it's a game about Kojima struggling with writing a sequel, and his desperate attempt to escape from MGS universe before plunging head first into it with MGS 3 and beyond.
I wouldn't call the whole meta narrative superficial, it goes hand in hand with the idea of a sequel. People always act like kojima was forced at gunpoint to make every game and he really didn't want to but that's such bullshit. He poured a lot into every entry and willingly went with it.
It has real terrorists in it, unlike MGS3 and MGS1, so it's the best game of all time.
My first metal gear game and I love it. I remember playing it on the xbox freaked the frick out as a kid when all the crazy shit with codec calls started happening
good game and better than tenchu that's for sure
best OST in the entire series
Unironically the last good MGS game both narrative wise and continuity wise. Everything went to shit after Kojima's James Bond autism and decision to retcon shit with MGS3.
>tfw you run a terrorist organization that needs an actual declaration on TV
It's my favorite one. Its like mg1 but expanded apon.
Was mindblowing for its time in terms of graphics, gameplay details, and interacting with the environment. If the story was your thing that was pretty crazy too. Only gays fell into the "it's bad because you don't play as Snake" filter. It's in my top 10 games. Maybe you had to be there and its less interesting for zoomers, I don't really give a frick. I went from playing mgs1 in 2000 to playing this in 2001 and it blew me away.
>stuck in mountain home with no ac in the middle of nowhere with bro, precell phones
>mostly hike to waterfalls but nothing to do when not hiking
>no ac
>only have dynasty warriors 3 and mgs2
>drag every single fan we could find into our room
>create wall of fans
>play mgs2 til our eyes bleed
>unlock everything
>try against european extreme
>get absolutely filtered by olga
>switch to dw3
>max out lubu and lu bei
>end trip by fighting lil bro’s bully on a bridge
Gameplay wise it's nothing special but the themes explored in the story are what really make it stand out.
I hate it, it's one long shitpost that Kojima himself has said he never wanted to make. only liked by pseudo intellectuals
Shut up moron
I like it. It was quite thought provoking when I played all those years ago. I think the themes and ideas are better than the gameplay, although I like the gameplay too. I never minded the bait and switch with raiden, it was a bit of a wtf when do I play snake again? Ever? moment, but the allusions of Raiden and his child soldier and vr past lining up with an interesting perspective on me being a child playing older metal gear games made my head spin and was pure kino to me.
it reminds me of the times when sony was actually good and wasn't completely evil
otherwise it's one of my favorite games on the ps2
it really needs that port
shame it took this long and we aren't getting all the limited edition content
One of the very worst MGS games ever created.
It's super overrated
I only played through this about 3 years ago for the first time. Maybe I am just not in tune with the zeitgest of the times? But playing as Raiden was not particularly surprising or noteworthy, did people think Kojima invented sequel games having a new protagonist? I'll admit I went through for a while thinking "when are we gonna unlock playable snake" but i mean it wasn't a big deal to play as raiden and not really a "betrayal"
more surprising was raiden being a guy I thought it was a girl in the opening movie working alongside snake like Meryl
a lot of morons are still incredibly angry about playing as him otherwise it's the perfect sequel r and braindead americans get mad because it does not answer every single question
and arguably this should had been the game that ended the series
but konami kept pushing kojima to make more games
Well originally leading up to release all trailers only showed Snake, and not Raiden at all. So nobody even knew he existed and fans coming off of MGS1 were expecting to play as Snake. I pretty much had your experience too but you have to take into consideration the time it was released and the lead up.
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