What do you think of the new Rogal Dorn tank?

What do you think of the new Rogal Dorn tank?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like shit, what a disappointment

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If the leaks are true, and there's no reason to doubt them, then this entire codex will be a huge disappointment.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ? this is gonna be the 2nd coming of leafblower guard, make prenerf squats look like a joke

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Who cares if we're gonna be competetive or not? Removing regiments and making regiment-specific Guardsman squads into seperate units are dumb asf.
          Also where are you seeing the return of the Vulture Gunship? Punisher is also pretty bad compared to the Executioner and Battle Cannon.
          The strongest stuf we've seen yet is the Rough Riders and arguably the Russ's. Rest seems like a side-grade or a small buff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Spot on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I’m getting extreme 90s G.I. Joe toy vibes from this. Yuck.

      It has too many guns for its size. Typical nu-GW OTT nonsense.

      >Who fires those little guns in front? Ratlings?

      >the fuck also has more firepower than an entire Macharius in a smaller package

      >Totally not powercreeped piece of shit

      okay, I don't really play the game so, I'm curious: isn't the design pretty close to normal 40k aesthetics? Okay, it could be a lot more ornate and gothic, but otherwise I'm not sure how bad this is compared to a baneblade tank.

      It's not stupidly tacticool like some of the new IG or Primaris designs. I'm just not seeing what makes this so bad.

      Oh, also kind of crazy there's a spare wheel when, as I understand, the tread plates are what usually wear out first on tanks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'll grant that a plastic Macharius or Malcador would have been preferable, but this thing looks fine.

        Given the kind of precedent that Primaris and nuSquat vehicles have set, this thing honestly looks fantastic given how awful the alternatives could have been.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >nuSquats
          okay, lemme summarize how bad those guys are: my main understanding of Warhammer 40k is from TTS and even I think those things look really out of place and like shit. It's like GW tried to copy Blizzard in a weird recursive way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It has the same uncanny valley look that made the Taurus suck. It's just rounded enough to disassociate from the Imperium's metal bawkses design, but not sleek or practical enough to be a modern tank. So the dumb aspects like the hull mounted guns which have no good targets to shoot really stands out.

        Things like the landraider are absolute ass. But you can can just handwave the stupidity by embracing the garbage box on wheels tongue in cheek.

        The tank is actually fine once the hull mounted guns are exclusively the single cannon/mortar as many anons already expressed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's a really fuckin weird and dumb thing to get hung up on, tanks carry spare wheels all the fuckin time, look at any picture of a deployed Abrams and you'll probably see a spare wheel hanging on it somewhere

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I’m getting extreme 90s G.I. Joe toy vibes from this. Yuck.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't you mean 80s? 90's GI Joe would have working spring missiles, a slitted canopy, mine launchers and a detachable rocket sled.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    4/10
    Looks like a conversion from a 1:35 model. Variant with 2 front stubbers and gatling looks over gunned, like the primaris tanks. Side view doesn't fit the flat Leman Russ and chimera aesthetics. Overall pretty bad, but not as bad as the primaris and LoV shit. Way worse than the heavy HH tank though.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fuck is that platform for the heavy stubber gunner? Even for 40k, that's dumb asf

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It has too many guns for its size. Typical nu-GW OTT nonsense.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Who fires those little guns in front? Ratlings?

    >the fuck also has more firepower than an entire Macharius in a smaller package

    >Totally not powercreeped piece of shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't even know the cost. For all you know, it will be overpriced so high it will be unuseable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        270 points with normal turret, sponsons and no meltas

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Really, they should just have released the Macharius as a plastic kit. It's the middle of the road between a Russ and a Baneblade, doesn't look like shit, and actually looks like it could be T9.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I like the silhouette but the whole tank is just a mishmash of details from other kits; looks cobbled together in photoshop. The hull is too divergent from the look of imperial guard, too curved/rounded.

        This, you can see they used a similar turret but looks worse.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      rattlings more like Gattlings!!!!
      t. Amelia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ratlings being used for tank crews actually makes a lot of sense

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Might be, but they are a rare abhuman subspecies and therefore rare. Servitors probably would be easier to acquire, but perhaps too costly again.

        >He thinks every gun in a tank has an individual gunner
        Excluding pintle and ones fired by passengers, which are additional firepower? Yes. Why else put them there, if nobody's using them?
        >He doesn't know about the idea of remote control
        Remotely controlled by... who?
        >He doesn't know real world tanks have had guns there
        Do show me this real world tank with two bow ball mounts as well as a hull mounted cannon mounted directly above one of the ball mounts.

        >remote control
        see

        >but M41 tanks doesn't
        Russes have auto-loaders (and ejectors). It's how the commander/gunner gets to be in the turret alone. Auto-loaders aren't also the best thing. Like everything, it comes with pros and cons.

        If only someone would, I dunno, give the commander's hatch a series of prismatic lenses to give him a good 360 view outside his tank without having to stick his head physically out. Let alone use 42nd millennium tech to have cameras or other sensors to see what's out there.

        Doesn't that commander hatch have those lenses already modeled? Both in RD and LR?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >remote control
          Notice how each remote controlled gun has a crewman assigned to it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >He thinks every gun in a tank has an individual gunner
      >He doesn't know real world tanks have had guns there
      >He doesn't know about the idea of remote control

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He thinks every gun in a tank has an individual gunner
        Excluding pintle and ones fired by passengers, which are additional firepower? Yes. Why else put them there, if nobody's using them?
        >He doesn't know about the idea of remote control
        Remotely controlled by... who?
        >He doesn't know real world tanks have had guns there
        Do show me this real world tank with two bow ball mounts as well as a hull mounted cannon mounted directly above one of the ball mounts.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > gunner able to cap both driver/gunner and tank commander from the retarded firing position
    Maybe if it's an option to make that dude a commissar...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >driver is in the turret
      I don't like it either, but that's pretty retarded of you.

      Also, pic related. They clearly went full Sherman with this shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Delete that picture please, we are trying to hate on new thing and don't appreciate any evidence against our raging.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The fuck is that platform for the heavy stubber gunner? Even for 40k, that's dumb asf

        > gunner able to cap both driver/gunner and tank commander from the retarded firing position
        Maybe if it's an option to make that dude a commissar...

        >NOOO THAT'S SO STUPID EVEN FOR 40K
        >IT'S SO UNREALISTIC

        Yeah they would never do that in the real world right?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mounting the 50 in that position was unironically intended for AA uses. From my understanding most crews understandably didn't keep it there for very long once deployed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, the barrel is clearly past the tank commanders head.
          The gunner could smack his head with it, but can't fucking SHOOT him (even though the concussion effect from being that close to the 50 firing anyway is going to fuck him up)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I too saw Fury. Still they didn't have a dingy platform protruding from the turret, and it was intended for AA use, and was almost always removed, because the idea was dumb as fuck.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >driver is in the turret
          I don't like it either, but that's pretty retarded of you.

          Also, pic related. They clearly went full Sherman with this shit.

          >look, this film did the thing, so it's totes realistic
          Now find any real life documentation saying it was done or ever even considered as a doctrine. The Rogal Dorn saw fit to mount a little platform at the back of the turret for the gunner, so it was clearly meant to be used that way.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >americans
            >following their own doctrines

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              American doctrine was, if you were to get attacked by air, to get off of the road, possibly move at an angle in regards to the direction the plane is travelling in if such a move is feasible, and to fire at the plane with every .50 cal that has been bolted onto every single motherfucking vehicle in US service for just such an occasion. Mind you, you weren't actually expected to hit anything, but sending up a fuckload of tracer into the air was meant to make the pilot lose his nerve and back off, or at the very least make him distracted and not as effective. And it was certainly a morale boost to the fellas on the ground for them to feel like they were doing something.

              Using the .50 on ground targets was less common but not unheard of and as far as I have heard consisted entirely of the crew convincing infantryman to hop on the back of the tank, as the tank crew themselves were all fairly occupied.

              I'm pretty confident in the factual nature of the first paragraph and less so of the second. I guess it would be entirely possible for the tank commander to get out and fire the .50 but that seems like a rather silly thing to do.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It seems like a pretty reasonable improvisational move to have a guy use the 50 on ground targets when there's infantry by the tank anyway and there's enemies to shoot at with it. And yeah, the commanders probably too busy coordinating his crew to get out to shoot. If/when it happened, I'd imagine it being a scenario where they figured they needed suppressive fire more so than their maim gun and I'd sooner imagine the loader or gunner getting out to do it. Or they figured the 50 was the right gun for the job. It likely varied from crew to crew.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >consisted entirely of the crew convincing infantryman to hop on the back of the tank
                This this this this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >make that dude a commissar
      Fuck yes

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unless they're updating the russ and chimera, they now have one kit with fully exposed drive wheels, and the rest dont, which is either a consession to autists, or a sign that they just don't give a shit about the range. Either way I dont like it.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As a tanker
    >The loader's hatch is directly behind a spotlight. He'll spend most of his time staring at the serial number stamped on the back of its housing and nothing else.
    >Imagine being the boot who has to man the pintle MG on the OUTSIDE of the tank. At least it'll be easy to promote yourself to TC when you inevitably shred both the commander and loader with the bolter you mounted BEHIND their heads.
    >The spare roadwheels and track pads make me happy, even if the (explosive) 55gal fuel drum doesn't. The Soviets learned not to do that 38,000 years ago.
    >Twin barrels are cool, but you're either firing them simultaneuously or with a delay for recoil and rocking. Otherwise, your second shot will hit nothing but clouds.
    >The many viewports/sensors seem useful and well armored.
    >The exposed road wheels make track work easier because you're not unbolting and moving fuck-off heavy armor panels to check tension.
    >Those forward-mounted MG's are going to be so full of mud and shit that you'll never fire them. Some crewman will spend the day after every fieldop cleaning Ork bits out of the barrels.

    As an unrepentant tank weeb
    >I like to profile. I have a love for over-the-top, Metal Slug aesthetics meets second-hand understanding of WWII engineering.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only fully enclosed vehicle with twin bow guns I can think of are the BMDs, they are heavily recessed and have covers to plug the holes if not expecting any combat.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The early Sherman also had them, but the production model had them removed for good reason.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The early Sherman also had them, but the production model had them removed for good reason.

        Heavy Tank M6 also had them, it was a real tank, but it stayed stateside for propaganda videos only.
        Again, bow guns are fully recessed. Although I'm not going to be a realismfag. I understand why GW would make the guns visible.

        They're very visible on the M3 Stuart too, but mounted far out on the sides, above the tracks.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ...this is almost exactly the Rogal Dorn with the alt turret, just smaller.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No mention of the sponson guns or the hull howitzer? Then again anachronisms like those just have to be tolerated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        those are kinda 40k tradition at this point though
        like if you're going to give anything a pass, it's stupid sponsons

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I considered mentioning how someone would basically have to sit inside the track housing to fire them (or they'd be remote and therefore never function), but

        those are kinda 40k tradition at this point though
        like if you're going to give anything a pass, it's stupid sponsons

        >...the (explosive) 55gal fuel drum doesn't. The Soviets learned not to do that 38,000 years ago.
        I thought external fuel tanks were found to be pretty safe? A bit of burning fuel outside the armour isn't going to do much to a tank (although putting it right next to the exhaust might cause some issues and it will be no fun for the guy standing on the back of the turret)
        >Twin barrels are cool, but you're either firing them simultaneuously or with a delay for recoil and rocking. Otherwise, your second shot will hit nothing but clouds.
        Could be a Ghast gun mechanism, where the recoil from one is used to operate the loading mechanism on the other. Or just simultaneous or timed firing, both of which are entirely possible.

        [...]
        Eh, I actually like the RD's tracks better. Mac' has a nicer turret and (much better) front hull layout. Rear hull is kind of nonsense on both of them.

        [...]
        There's a version with no sponsons (replaced with hatches) or lower-hull guns (replaced with headlights) and it looks loads better.

        [...]
        I'm just bitter that they replaced the perfectly good sentinel rather than doing an update like this for transports or artillery.

        Check'd. The external fuel is a big issue depending on where the air intakes are. On many modern tanks, the back deck is at least partially grating through which the engine pulls air. If that air also contains flaming fuel, you're gonna have some roasted dudes. It's why those drone-dropped molotovs were/are such a problem for the BMP's in Ukraine. It's like incapacitating a guy in full armor by spraying burning WD40 into his mouth.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >...the (explosive) 55gal fuel drum doesn't. The Soviets learned not to do that 38,000 years ago.
      I thought external fuel tanks were found to be pretty safe? A bit of burning fuel outside the armour isn't going to do much to a tank (although putting it right next to the exhaust might cause some issues and it will be no fun for the guy standing on the back of the turret)
      >Twin barrels are cool, but you're either firing them simultaneuously or with a delay for recoil and rocking. Otherwise, your second shot will hit nothing but clouds.
      Could be a Ghast gun mechanism, where the recoil from one is used to operate the loading mechanism on the other. Or just simultaneous or timed firing, both of which are entirely possible.

      A better version of the same concept

      Eh, I actually like the RD's tracks better. Mac' has a nicer turret and (much better) front hull layout. Rear hull is kind of nonsense on both of them.

      Looks absolutly horrible, it’s as if someone just took a bunch of guns and glued them onto some thrash-tier toy tank. I don’t like any of the imperial tanks in 40k but this one might be the worst.

      There's a version with no sponsons (replaced with hatches) or lower-hull guns (replaced with headlights) and it looks loads better.

      its so round
      primaris militarum
      if they dont update very other vehicle then this and the sentinel will look so bad in a complete army

      I'm just bitter that they replaced the perfectly good sentinel rather than doing an update like this for transports or artillery.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I agree about the gunner, hatch, and spotlight placement. The gun and light look like they could easily be placed somewhere else though.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like the concept but the execution is lacking. I think it would work better if they made it bigger and moved the front stubbers together. Then they could use it as an example of the Imperium's technological decline and call it a second generation baneblade.
    Not that I believe anyone at GW knows what a second generation Baneblade even is or that the Imperium is in technological decline for that matter lol.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's big enough to be a second generation baneblade. But you are correct in that it's doubtful they know the term. If they did they would have just made a plastic Macharius

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "As a reward for not peeling the potatoes last night, you get to ride outside the tank"

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a Churchill and a MKIV got drunk and has a one night stand and this is the result

    Kind of like it though

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think it's based tbh! Oldfags of the game trying to halt the hobbies progression into a newer updated game, need to know what's happening with catachan tho

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A better version of the same concept

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Very keen to see a size comparison. I'll probably proxy these, I dont think malcadors will be anywhere near the same width.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This really just completely fucking mogs it.
      That said it's not as bad looking as the composite picture we had before suggested.
      Still all the hull mounted guns. The exposed gunner. Just why?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because its silly and still historical.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Still all the hull mounted guns. The exposed gunner. Just why?
        Both are optional and are real features of historical tanks, are you asking stupid questions on purpose?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SOVL

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they've given me a female driver helmet
    Heheh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > Being stuck in a hot metal box with a sweaty female at all times

      Truly the 40k universe has gotten even darker.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >slaanesh cultist ripping off the cupola and looking inside

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looks like it's from metal slug

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wish. I love the cutsey design of metal slug vehicles.
      These do not look cute

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'll buy that for a dollar

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think I like it more for Catachans. Leave the Baneblade for Cadians, Macharius for Krieg, and Malcadors for traitors.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >they finally added room for the suspension to do its job
    >even with the side skirts on
    This was my main issue with the Russ so I'm happy. Tank looks a bit silly but no more so than the old ones, of anything it makes more sense as GW just went ahead and copied old American tanks

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks absolutly horrible, it’s as if someone just took a bunch of guns and glued them onto some thrash-tier toy tank. I don’t like any of the imperial tanks in 40k but this one might be the worst.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >leman russ tank
    >rogal dorn tank

    What would the corvus corax and lion el johnson tanks look like?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A super sentinel and a mini-knight?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't quite understand the point of this tank when the Baneblade exists? It just seems to be a way to get a baneblade into a regular game and give Guard a new centerpiece model.

    I honestly kinda like how it looks, it just seems pointless outside of pushing more huge models onto the table.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you describing the Macharius?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's alright, bigger than the russ I think

    looking forward to the new Sanguinius skimmer tho

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fits into the style of guard tanks, maybe a bit too round, but it also just looks like a modernized Russ.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many custodes would it take to take a primarch down? Say rowboat girlyman for example. In cannon not tabletop.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is it even gonna be good? According to the leaks I still think Russ' are more cost efficient.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dunno, super melta + mini demo cannon +big antitank gun should be potent at knight removal

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but it's gonna have stiff competetion from the Vanquisher and Heavy Lascannon even in that pretty limited role.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      GW want sell expensive plastic
      GW make silly good rules, nerf later.

      thats how it goes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna compete especially good with the Russ-

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish they would just remake the forgeworld tanks in plastic like they did the hh marine tanks they’re perfect as opposed to this thing which just looks like an toy with comedy level proportions.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Suspension
    >Large turret
    >Less bore on the cannon
    >two hatches
    >actual stowage
    Nice

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gentlemen, Behold!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      MY ASS IS EATING MY HAND! IT HUNGERS-FOR MORE!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Unironcally really cool. Maybe have a baby turret on top for infantry support like an M3 Lee or a char B1

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Kino

          No mention of the sponson guns or the hull howitzer? Then again anachronisms like those just have to be tolerated.

          OG Forge World were grognard treadheads. They basically started the studio to make small-batch runs of cool tanks. Being actual enthusiasts for tanks, they knew how to balance impractical but cool things to end up with a perfect 40k aesthetic.
          Nu-GW, being colossal morongays, do not understand this and think more guns = more better.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The sad part is that I bet Jes Goodwin, one of the original GW designers still leading the team there, has been part of making this tank, just like he did the new primaris and AdMech vehicles. Clearly he has never been a trackhead and sees himself more as a toy designer.

            It's clear that the old FW guys still at the company do not have a voice anymore in this stuff.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      good hack; I'd be all about it if it didn't involve giving GW money for this bullshit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Damn I love Stugs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't choose the StuG life, the StuG life chose me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hate you, anon, now I like it. Too bad there's nothing to use it as. It's too big to be a Russ (or Destroyer) and for using it as the RD, you'd have to find a place to mount the hull and co-axial guns.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I actually love it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I will now buy your new vehicle.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Put the coaxial autocannon on the little optic mount above the driver's view port, operated by the commander from his hatch. Hull gatling cannon as a pintle mount for the other hatch, maybe using the primaris pintle onslaught cannon?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It actually looks convertible to be honest. Just dont use the turret and stick that stuff on the hull, replace the canon and done. Wouldnt be surprised if the edit you made has many conversions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How dare you remind me of the leman russ destroyer. She was taken from me too early.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You just reminded me I should order one of these from chang. Just got a Trojan in today that I'm happy with the quality of.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's beautiful.
          Why can't GW into good design?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Psst

          http://blackmarketminiatures.su/catalog/conversionideas/conversion-sets/destroyer-tank-hunter-upgrade-kit-for-leman-russ-mkv-very-rare

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lol so even the better redesigns of the ripoff macharius are just ripping off another kino FW design
          GW on suicide watch

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This might be the blessing of weapon arcs no longer mattering. You can convert it into this and would be perfectly fine to play

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Da, comrade!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fine, fuck you
        >StuG's your Sherman

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hacks at gw cant make a decent tank kit and one random anon just fixes their design in an hour. Amazing, gw staff quality really went to shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The double battle cannon loadout looks absolutely retarded, but the single big cannon looks great. It still won't convince me to play Guard though.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's properly hideous, I quite like it.
    Though I think the big cannon offset by the coaxial looks better than the dual cannon one.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > let's give the minigun a 30 degree firing arc
      Which retard keeps placing these fucking machineguns on the vehicles? Every single one since the start of 9ed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Guns that need the whole vehicle to turn for aiming is peak 40k design. The imperium, eldar and the squats all have it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Its literally not wrt machineguns outside of primaris vehicles and the new vehicles this edition.
          > but bikes
          Bikes barely get a pass as it is, but at least they go zoom zoom. Primaris and eldar tanks hover. Fixed machineguns on a tracked heavy tank that goes slow as shit is dumb as fuck.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          My headcanon is that the bolters are on a sponson and the mudguard flipps down while firing.

          Really annoyed they showed the Land Fortress sprue when it's the Sagitaur with unanswered questions (Such as whether the L7 and Sagitaur missile launchers are a package deal.)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Black dies first.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Stick the token black guy in a completely exposed position to guarantee that he dies first
      I suspect that’s the entire reason that gun is there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's with the exposed gunner? Seems like they're asking to get sniped.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's properly hideous, I quite like it.
        Though I think the big cannon offset by the coaxial looks better than the dual cannon one.

        I knew I had seen something like this before.
        I think the 'theory' is fine, as it has historical precedent and it is believable in an Imperium where lives are cheap that they would add an exposed machine gunner. That being said the practical design is kinda floompy, it's too low for how far back it is so it's range of fire intercepts the mantlet armour, optics and crew too much for me, it looks like the gun can mounted on the tank's left (our right) turret hatch instead so I'd probably go with that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It made sense in a cramped Stuart or Sherman, in a new tank big as fucking Maus is nonsense, just cargo cult design.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On the other hand consider all the other guns on the tank probably not much room in that thing factoring in ammunition.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >factoring in ammunition.
              It's funny that M3 tanks have autoloaders but M41 tanks doesn't

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Mechanicus and Xenos (ignoring orks because orks) tanks do. It's just that human life in the IG is so cheap that it is legit more economic to just throw more men at any problem. An autoloader requires a dedicated mechanic to service and may or may not include archaeotech that no one even knows how it works anymore, if your pig loader breaks just grab another one off the street.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >but M41 tanks doesn't
                Russes have auto-loaders (and ejectors). It's how the commander/gunner gets to be in the turret alone. Auto-loaders aren't also the best thing. Like everything, it comes with pros and cons.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > non stabilized main gun
                > fucking soviets had better tech than IG in the 80s

                Jesus christ GW.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                in the 80's and 90's, nerds didn't have good or accurate access to technical specs for military vehicles. You were more or less exclusively limited to speculative manuals and that's if your national library had good resources.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We have plenty of armoured vehicles today with large guns that don't have stabilizers because they're not designed to be fired accurately on the move. Demolisher is not a battle tank, it's a direct fire SPG for blowing up fortifications and such.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tanks don't suddenly become roomy when they are made bigger, that extra room is typically filled with extra stuff, even massive vehicles like the jagdtiger were cramped, which is my MGs were mounted on that engine deck there too.
            Pic related

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        tank commanders are supposed to keep their heads out to watch for things that could threaten the tank
        yeah that means they are risking being shot but you don't go to war and expect to not risk your life

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If only someone would, I dunno, give the commander's hatch a series of prismatic lenses to give him a good 360 view outside his tank without having to stick his head physically out. Let alone use 42nd millennium tech to have cameras or other sensors to see what's out there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Even so situational awareness was far better with hatches open, it was still common practice for german (and I think american) commanders to operate with the hatches open most of the time, only the soviets kept hatches closed.
            >cameras and sensors
            This is 40k we don't do that here

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Even so situational awareness was far better with hatches open, it was still common practice for german (and I think american) commanders to operate with the hatches open most of the time
              Probably not when getting shot at.
              >This is 40k we don't do that here
              They specifically do it there. It's just so mundane it's not worth mentioning. Data pads are treated like books and documents, all the lasguns got scopes on them, etc. Skitarii don't have wooden stocks to be cheap. There are no trees on Forge Worlds, so it's like giving your private army ivory stocks. Inquisitors and space marines have paper books because if it's important, it's important enough to write down on paper, rather than record on a data pad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Even when getting shot at, the dangers of failing to spot an AT gun hidden in a treeline were far greater than the risk of the commanders head being caught by a bullet or piece of shrapnel

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            IG data collection has always been better than our modern equivalents, but the user interface has always been markedly worse, in some cases intentionally so because their maintenance corps is a literal cult. Bitching about a tank commander sticking their head out of a hatch, which is to this day a common practice even while you're actively being shot at, is ridiculous.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Sticking your head out of a hatch and standing on a platform outside your tank are two very different things.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                At least the entire turret is between the gunner and the enemy, that's a better situation than some soldiers in armies that actually care about them get. This video is from Sunday.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tank desant is and was a very real thing, that's even riskier than standing behind the turret

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Tank desant is not conducted by the tank's own crew.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Die for the Emperor or die trying!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's to make it look like a WWII tank. Most 40k Imperium vehicles are patterned after 30s-40s tanks as the specific design language, even if said tanks have a ton of undesirable features (hull mounted guns, shot traps everywhere, poor cupola placement/design, etc.).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's how the Imperium handles diversity initiatives.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i dont like the turret and the minigun, im probably just going to 3d print a macharius turret or one of those pershing baneblade turrets and just put a stubber instead of the minigun
      the body looks fine, not a fan of the sponsons

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What I like :
      > better overall proportions vs old russ tanks
      > cannons are more realistically scaled
      > hatches are nice looking
      > main gun look great (for 40K)

      What I dislike :
      >MG guy standing on the outside and behind the turret is ridiculous, lacks side and read protection and odd stability
      > Those 2 melta guns protruding from the front shield, near each tracks looks ridiculous too
      > sponsons and coaxial feels like too many guns

      How to fix it visually :
      > Use a hatch to put the MG on, remove the nonsensical foot plate
      > Remove those 2 melta guns
      > Either use sponsons or coaxial. Don't use both.

      I think the chassis looks better overall than old russ tanks but there are way too many guns for me. Remove at least 1-2 of them to improve looks and give more shots to those remaining to compensate rule-wise.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think my malcadors look cooler.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks exactly like every other guard vehicle. No idea what you gays are crying about.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Let's try to fit the most amount of guns we possibly can on a tiny platform
    I like it.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The model itself is fine, but it just seems like there's too much dakka for a tank that size and I keep thinking of that every time I see it. Still slightly better-proportioned than some tanks GW has done.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its so round
    primaris militarum
    if they dont update very other vehicle then this and the sentinel will look so bad in a complete army

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost like they tried to "primari-fy" Guard to make you buy your army again.

      >New Guardsmen
      >New Heavy Weapon Squads
      >New Command Squads
      >New Sentinels
      >New not!Leman Russ (just better ;^))

      All look so different that they won't fit into an old army.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >All look so different that they won't fit into an old army.

        True. But they did not Primarify the guard.
        They did not say: Hey, these guardsmen are improved versions of the old Cadians.
        They did, what they should have done with SM as well: Hey, these are new models, because the old ones are old and ugly.

        Nobody needs the new Guardsmen if they have 200 of the old ones. Because they will be identical in rules and fluff. Same with command squad, sentinel and some other kits.

        Sure, they get a new tank and the heavy guns, but this is not forcing people to replace the entire army.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >They did, what they should have done with SM as well: Hey, these are new models, because the old ones are old and ugly.

          Nope Cadians, Catachan and Krieg are all seperate datasheets. Especially the Cadians seem to be really good compared to your standard infantry squad.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The good parts of the tank
    >Coaxial machine gun
    >two cupolas
    >larger turret
    >accessible tracks and wheels for maintenance
    >lights on the front
    >gunners sight (?)

    The bad parts of the tank
    >two ball machine guns in the hull
    >hull gun has very limited traverse
    >sponsons are not inkeeping with the rest of the model
    >mud chutes on the side are non-functional and deposit mud into the wheels
    >random vision slots on the sides of the hull which are in the middle of the turret basket
    >pintle stubber will deafen the commander and other crewmember

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like it. I think it works with the current guard feel. I would drop the round turrets on the front hull. Those are stupid. Otherwise, great tank.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like it. Looks like a mix of a Matilda II and VK3001.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the back one doesn't like half bad. It's the front tank that's had all the extra's bolted on that looks dumb as hell.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I really like it except for one thing. The hull mounted punisher gattling gun is dumb. Foe that option they could have done tje gatling gun in the turret with the tank hunter gun in the hull. It would’ve made mor sense, especially as a defensive tank. The whole idea behind a high volume of fire weapon like that is you can rake targets. But with like 30 degrees or less of movement it defeats the purpose. Meanwhile a high caliber low velocity high explosive shell launcher makes a lot of sense. The turret can do its job looking for vehicles to take down but the driver points the demolisher cannon at some mid-rise building where enemy infantry are lurking and just clears it out with a single shot. The tank definitely gives me Pershing vibes.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they could have done tje gatling gun in the turret with the tank hunter gun in the hull.
        Would probably look better. They don't seem that different in girth, so hopefully it is viable to do as a conversion. Always thought the Leman Russ would have looked better with that setup.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The hull mounted punisher gattling gun is dumb
        That's because it doesn't have a dedicate ammo trailer.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This is an.. Interesting kitbash.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Good sensible Imperial tank design.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              now mount it on a Baneblade chasis and make it Twin-linked

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's just the Stormlord.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good sensible Imperial tank design.

          >"Sir, the orkz... They've stopped fighting and just walk up to the Castigator and just... spread their arms and let it kill them. Reports are saying they even look happy as they die."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Then they came back to life when the Shadowlord Superheavy Tank (with gatling blaster) showed up, just for the joy of dying again.

            That's just the Stormlord.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good sensible Imperial tank design.

          It does not need to make sense if it can go BRRRRRRRT.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good sensible Imperial tank design.

          I love it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I feared it was going the primaris route of all the guns all the time, but that back one is quited pleasant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fuck me lads why on earth did they redesign the Sentinel

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is definitely ripe for one of those cross sections showing how the driver has to come in to his seat through a hatch in the bottom, and all the gunners are lying on top of each other like sardines.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A better version of the same concept

      Why are you describing the Macharius?

      Why the fuck does the forge world stuff look so much better than the (nu) GW models? Why don't they just take these designers from FW and make that the "main" line of miniatures.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I thought they did with the HH tanks?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, but that's FW worst line.

          [...]
          [...]
          Why the fuck does the forge world stuff look so much better than the (nu) GW models? Why don't they just take these designers from FW and make that the "main" line of miniatures.

          Forgeworld stuff wasn't designed for plastic. Doesn't necessarily fit well onto a sprue.
          GW doesn't want to cannibalize FW sales, nor lose potential sales to people who already have FW stuff, nor from the handful who think their original stuff actually looks better.
          Because GW are a company of absolute tastelets, they can't distinguish between good and bad design and just make whatever the sculptors give them. They are far from alone in this; see Wargames Atlantic for another case.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FW loved historical stuff and realism. GW just want to make dumb cartoony shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, no!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why is she sad with such a nice tank? Tears of joy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            She wanted M3-Lee

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              that little anime girl is a lost-causer piece of shit!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'll make you eat those words!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                not before I make you eat seven rounds from my repeating rifle!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Lee was a pretty good tank and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                just like in history the M3 Grant was better 😀

                but seriously yeah, M3 (Lee or Grant) is one of my favorite tanks, because people look at it and (somewhat rightly) go WTF is that shit, but like you said it was actually pretty good for the time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Her gaming group disbanded just as she got it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A new codex came out and the rules for that tank have been omitted.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What manga is that by the way?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            girls und panzer doujin where the girls get fucking blown up and raped

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              IIRC that specific one is just Yukari getting raped, the one where Senshado has people fucking die is a different one.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nah its the same one, the fluffy autism girl getting raped is just the first part then it segues into the real rounds arc

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a trilogy. First book is mostly just rape with a side of murder (Pravda war crimes captured Kuromine girls and make maho and miho do some twisted sisxsis stuff, and Yukarin gets raped by her only friends who then abandon her)
                2nd and 3rd books are a mix of rape and slaughter with historical references.
                not my proudest wank

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              IIRC that specific one is just Yukari getting raped, the one where Senshado has people fucking die is a different one.

              nah its the same one, the fluffy autism girl getting raped is just the first part then it segues into the real rounds arc

              Wow, I knew it'd be something like that and even so I still hate it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they know their target audience.
        primaris made money after all. they've learned through long trial and error that you can't aim too low for the average GW customer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They are doing HH, thank the emperor

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          HH is what killed FW though
          Rest in shit, Alan Bligh.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            FW was making rhino doors at best until Bligh

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              FW made Tau, IG, Orks, Nids. All kinds of shit. Bligh only showed up with Badab War which was Imperial Armour vol 9, completely shifting FW's focus to more Space Marine shit. After that IA only lasted 2 more volumes before getting replaced by 30K for even more endless marine shit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            FW made titans and scenery first my Black.

            That was the whole point, stupid big shit, hence the name "forgeworld". The addition of small shit and infantry was a mistake they never recovered from.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Used to be run by threadheads, still is but I guess 30k has taken over (aka BL fucking schlock)
            I've been looking for the Kinrade Chad meme for 30 minutes but I simply can't find it, you simply have to trust me

            There it is.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vraks, Badab, and the FW Horus Heresy series of campaign books really drew in a much more mature customer base. Typical players were aged 32-52 (not GW’s 12-32) with higher disposable incomes and a desire for grounding in the setting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you have a source for that? What makes Badab more “grounded” as you say?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Used to be run by threadheads, still is but I guess 30k has taken over (aka BL fucking schlock)
        I've been looking for the Kinrade Chad meme for 30 minutes but I simply can't find it, you simply have to trust me

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Had skilled scratch builders with knowledge of history and good taste, now gone and replaced with 3d-printing zoomers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FW designers never officially worked for the design studio, they were almost all contractors, which is why some of the sculpts swing in quality so much.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        FW was way more talented than the current designers, I workd with CAD software myself and I can honestly say that some of this stuff they pump out looks like it's done by rather untalented designers.
        Forgeworld had better proportions on their DKoK and Elysians line, which is what they should have aimed for with the Imperial guard. somehow the current line just seems to be way off, not quite sure what it's lacking but it doesn't have that same 40k look.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It alright, gun placement seems haphazard but I don't mind it too much

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Have any of you cunts considered following a game you actually LIKE? All you ever do is religiously follow GW release schedule and fill up the board with your bitchmoaning.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's fun to hate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ya I'm enjoying playing Legion right now. But 40k is the better game at hobbying.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what are 40k players for if not to laugh at?
      it can't be *just* a containment game for the dregs nobody wants in their group. it's unquestionably effective in that role, but it's also boring.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is why we don't let Orks design tanks. This thing has too many guns

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks good over all buy I'm disappointed by the very plain turret gun options. I would have liked at least one las or plasma option.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Images of one without the front stubbers (headlights on instead) and without sponsons looks way better. Add the extra skirts as well and I'd buy that for a dollar. Too bad I don't have any place for one, since I got all the Russes and Baneblades I need for my Guard.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want one but I don't play nu-gw guard. Lads what's a good mid-hammer Ork unit I could loot this for? All IA in play. I'm thinking battlefortress.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't think I'd ever say this about a 40k model but I think it looks a little too over-the-top

    someone should shoop it so that it only has 1 main gun and one machinegun in the hull, I'd like to see if that looks better because I think the overall design is good even if it's not that different from a Leman Russ. Although I think "not that different from a Leman Russ" is mostly a good thing.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looks pretty cool

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks alright, shame they named it the Rogal Dorn. Doesn't really roll off the tongue much.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Should just be called the Praetorian

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but no they named it after another primarch, boy that's going to muddy Google search results.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd hate Leman Russ too if it was released today but it has been part of 40K for so long it just sounds normal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Russ at least had a nifty lore aspect to it being a tribute to the Primarch that was considered to be as big as a tank. Then they release this shit which is bigger and give it a Primarch name that doesn't fit. If it was a defensive emplacement or bunker then sure it would be fine, but making a bigger tank and calling it a Dorn is stupid and disrespectful to the Russ and its history.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you cut those bottom two guns out (Look like heavy stubbers?) I think it would fix the look up a whole bunch.
    And the 'back pintle is just...not great although it does give a full 'tank crew body to play with elsewhere.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be honest

    If the leman russ, baneblade, and land raider were revealed/released today you'd be bitching and nitpicking about how stupid or unrealistic they are too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's more about the design being so different from previously established aesthetics. If we had years of tanks looking like the Dorn we'd complain if suddenly there was a huge shift towards sharp edges and angular tanks.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No, all of the models you listed are great. Only problem they have is they have legit zero suspension. Only make the armor plate hang a bit higher to give room for suspension and they are golden. Weak bait gay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. I've never liked Imperial tanks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have mocked the leman russ tank for years

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    could have been a lot worse

    I'd like to see it next to a russ though, that's what will determine if I get one for a command tank

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was hoping for more of a T-34 look like that art image that got leaked, because that fits with the pre established Soviet aesthetic, but instead we get this anime tier Leman Russ with blown out proportions
    I mean at least we're getting the Thudd Gun back

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pre established Soviet aesthetic
      Hahahaha what?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Ok, well I guess "theme" fits better, it's mainly that the Chimera is just a BMP-1, and the whole commienazi Imperial deal, which come to think of it is I guess the source of the redesigns

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    When is the guard finally gonna get a semi-modern looking tank. I was hoping the votann would get one but it's some wheeled shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Modern tanks are soulless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >semi-modern
      Looks like a late WW2 design. Pershing or something, mixed with some early stuff, like the holes on the side similar to mud chutes on the Matilda II. Chimera with its amphibious BMP design is more modern than the Rogal Dorn.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I may be an autist, but my main issue with the design is the twin-linked gun. Makes the turret feel too crowded.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It looks too much like one of those models from a garage kit alternative history wargames. Like if you remove the warhammer community logo and the PC aquila you could have easily have told me this was the "m-14: lincoln heavy assault tank "from "Krieg 194X: burning eagle"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      m14 Lincoln heavy assault tank" sounds fucking kickass

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone is gonna shit talk the pindle gunner, but true mother fuckers are gonna wonder why the driver is in the turret.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Dude I think that's the loader, for real.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Macharius did it better 15 years ago

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I wish it had different hull gun options. And that the turret was closer to the middle. Like, there's a lot of wasted space at the front and with the turret at the rear, along with the endine and everything, it feels like it'd tip backwards if it tried to go up a hill. Otherwise a fine tank.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's because GW was good 15 years ago and Forge World in particular was peaking

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm glad I have yet another unit to point to when primarch fags ask when the next loyalist primarch is coming back.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I unironically think it looks cool. Maybe I’ll loot one for the boyz.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    man you gays really do just want excuses to whine and complain

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actually it’s not that bad…depending on the weapon options.

    If I can take the tank without the hull-stubbers without replacing them with the meltaguns—that is, I can entirely remove them— aesthetic quality immediately jumps a tier. Same with the “Sherman style” stubber on the top. It wouldn’t look so silly if the gunner didn’t need a special platform to stand on.

    I like that we can choose if the road wheels are covered by side skirts and immediately recommend them because the road wheels are too damn big for my liking.

    The main turret doesn’t seem to suffer from “crushes the commander’s groin with the recoil” syndrome the Russ had. Though it’s hard to tell for sure from some angles.

    The sponsons are too small, but they’re optional as well. Will probably use them as an excuse to build a mine flail onto the front of the tank, Sherman Crab style.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The sponsons aren't small, the new tank is just huge

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Huh? It bigger than it looks, what's up with the guy on the back?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's supposed to look like the .50 cal machine gun in WW2 Sherman tanks, which had small turrets so the gunner many times stood outside. It doesn't make sense with this huge tank, though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't make sense with the Sherman either - they included them for largely target designation and anti-air use, but doctrine was basically to not ever use them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the gunner many times stood outside
            Except this was never done, because who the fuck would stand there when there's a perfectly good, several inchest thick metal box with built-in machine guns and a big cannon you could be in. And because the mounting point was moved to the front either by troops in the field or later upgrades.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >never done
              Uh oh, you committed the historian's booboo. Don't they train you better? Absolute statements can and will be proven wrong at the worst possible time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Unless I'm confusing tanks those machine guns could also be operated from the inside.
            Anyone using them outside was just having a retard moment.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Mimicking the roof guns on the M4 sherman, they often had a .50cal on the top that required the user to stand on the engine deck to use.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Primaris leman russ

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So its literally just a mirrored baneblade turret

        Kek.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think you mean its a edalbenabbaneblade

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      on the back tank in the final image of the warcom article it doesn't have the hull stubbers

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I think we could use a heavy tank to chase those Xylvainians outta here!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This game has the most impressive chibi military assets I've ever seen. Good I want battalion wars to come back as an RTS.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so are thy gonna make a take named after every primarch. the non traitor ones that is

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Too many guns. Remove the front hull mounted ones and it's better

  67. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >there's people in this thread actually debating the realisticness of the new 40k tank
    Hope you are having fun!
    I'm gonna get two of these, they will fit nicely into my horde of Leman Russes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they will fit nicely into my horde of Leman Russes
      They don't, they won't, and it's the reason I won't be buying any.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >they will fit nicely into my horde of Leman Russes
      They don't, they won't, and it's the reason I won't be buying any.

  68. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Overall I like it. In general the Guard refresh feels like it was heavily inspired by 50s US Marine Crops.

  69. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The paintjob bothers me
    >2-tone camo
    >lighter areas have warm highlights
    >darker areas have cold highlights
    Sculpt looks fine though, I suppose. Looks like a Guard tank.

  70. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    An unending age of toil hath produced this masterpiece of craftsmanship. The turret was sized down just imagine it as a leman russ turret.

  71. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This just feels like the other nuguard releases. It's not awful enough to hate it, but it's not good enough to like it either. It just feels pointless and redundant. It's GW going through the motions with nobody who actually cares involved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Look at Primaris, Admech and Squats and be thankful you got mediocrity. The guard survive another edition.

  72. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >IG gets Rogal Dorn model before Imperial Fists

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      WTF I love Rogal Dorn Battle Tank now
      Get fucked piss-mehreens

  73. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >riveted armor
    fuking RUINED

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen literally any other imperial guard vehicle, anon? It’s kind of their thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Have you seen literally any other imperial guard vehicle, anon? It’s kind of their thing.
        Yeah, and it still looks retarded. I understand its warhammer and all but jesus christ we figured riveted armor was fucking stupid DURING WWI FFS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Have you seen literally any other imperial guard vehicle, anon? It’s kind of their thing.

      I'd wager good money part of why they keep having riveted armor on these models is more about visual clutter and giving painters something to detail individually. That and not knowing better.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        look, if people want to play smooth shit so much, they can play Tau or Eldar

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Easy enough to cut off

  74. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Too big, this is a wargame and I'm getting sick and tired of fucking massive models. We don't need something the size of a baneblade being shoved in.

  75. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Guard gets any release
    >Guardchuds seethe and dilate
    Like clockwork.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>GW gets any release
      seethe and dilate
      ftfy

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pic related is you with that post, anon. How does it feel to make a post so perfect, so absolutely correct?

  76. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wow, they made 3rd party a real model.
    How does Vicki keep getting away with it?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So GW is ripping off the 3d printers now? Are the original Vicki designs allowed in their shops and tournaments now?

  77. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Boring, but then again so is pretty much the whole imperial guard range so I guess it fits.

  78. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It certainly is a tank that has more guns on it than sensible. Which fits IG.

  79. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did they put a turret on it? Current game rules are that all weapons have a 360 arc of fire from all parts of the hull. A smooth ball shaped hull with all the weapons on a rail that encircles the hull, able to zoom around to shoot at any angle, would be more accurate to how 40k vehicles work now.

  80. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do not insult the M3 Lee.

  81. 1 month ago
    Anonymous.

    Kinda gives me Ghibli vibes honestly.
    Does it match up with common guard aesthetics and design philosophy? Not really, but the guard are meant to be culturally varied.
    Only gripe is that small bits, like the hi beams or the smokes aren't a more traditional shape to allow for design continuity.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Kinda gives me Ghibli vibes honestly.
      Fucking this. If anything, it needs even more guns.

  82. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I kind of like it, though I would have preferred a plastic Mars Pattern Leman Russ with all turret options instead.

  83. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ghibli tanks and other Miyazaki designs are also based in WW1-2 tanks like 40k ones

  84. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's okay, a bit busy. The macharius fits the same sort of role and would have been nice to have in plastic. But this is fine

  85. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The important thing is, it's cheaper than the Baneblade.

  86. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts are:
    Remove the meltaguns/heavy stubbers, but if you’re obsessed with getting every once of firepower possible out of this tank then consider gluing a couple of the old Leman Russ heavy stubbers together on a mount on the loader’s cupola. Not sure if twin-meltaguns exist but if they don’t grab a couple old infantry meltaguns and get clipping.

    Delete hull-mounted mini gun, if taken. Replace with one of those Pintle Gatling Cannons the Primaris tanks use on the commander’s cupola. Move the external heavy stubber into the hull mount instead.

    If the mini-demolisher cannon is taken, keep it in the hull as nowhere else is more sensible, for better or worse.

    The road wheels are stupid big. Cover them with side skirts.
    Track guards definitely gotta be added, but consider grabbing plastic are and extending them to the front of the tank.

    Overall I don’t like the default gun layouts but applaud GW for making a model that’s easy to fix. Unlike the Primaris Land Raider thing that’s covered in missile pods.

  87. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It looks over gunned to me. A lot of the new vehicles do this and it just gets tedious when it's got a main gun and a coax and a Hull gun and two more Hull guns and a pair of sponsons and a pintle mount... like, you just know that thing's gonna take forever to resolve in game. Worse it'll probably be OP on release so it's just longer for some panting neckbeard to act smug melting your dudes.

  88. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Rogal Dorn tank
    Does the Imperial Guard also have a Ferrus Manus tank that constantly tosses its turret?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only when penetrated.

  89. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This part bothere me the most.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        For the non Americans what am I looking at?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A mantlet. It is a piece of armor that helps protect the the gimbal of the gun. They're usually very close fitting like pic related.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah I get you. Yeah that does look like crap would jam it up and/or it'd catch bullets.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      are you circling the mantlet or the bore evacuator? If the former, yeah, it should be closer fitting. If the latter, do gun barrels with that length to caliber ratio even need a bore evacuator?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's nasty. I guess it's finally time to learn how to do a gun shield cover.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's weird how badly thought out that design is. It almost feels like the designer had decided on the design for the turret and then got slapped with orders to make swappable guns, and this was their solution. There's no reason they couldn't blend the mantlet with the turret front better or use the same mantlet, just swap the guns.

  90. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So if this is a bigger better Leman Russ replacement, does this mean the next edition will have no rules for my original Leman Russ tanks, only these?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No, more of a cheaper and simpler Baneblade alternative like the Macharius.

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